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>>81307687
We're living in the age of pseudoscience. 34 scientifically-proven genders but if you change a gene in your crop to make it produce more food prepare to be hated
>>81307941
>to make it produce more food
That's what the advertisement tells you, in reality it's mostly used as a form of DRM.
>>81307941
>to make it produce more food
technically, it's to make it more tolerant to the roundup or equivalent.
So it's more protecting their market and spread their own cheminstry in soils.
>>81308683
This. We don't know the long term effects of eating crops laced with pesticide that would kill a normal plant but not one that is biologically resistant to it.
Throw in the fact that these plants don't germinate and farmers end up paying subscriptions to GMO crop companies to get their supplies each season and you have a recipe for a handful of companies owning or having direct control over the vast majority of arable land in the world.
>>81308938
>>81308683
Ruskies know what's going on.
"No matter who cook the soup, all matter who distribute it".
Control on food production is essential to sovereignty.
>>81308907
You hippy faggots are retarded. GMOs have all kinds of benefits aside from pesticide resistance.
>>81308938
Every fucking crop is already sprayed with pesticides, this is nothing new you ignorant cunts. The particular type of pesticide sprayed on GMO crops is in fact LESS harmful then normal pesticides.
You luddite cunts are a fucking blight on humanity.
>>81308938
I worked with a Dutch company that went up in an american conglomerate of Seed production (americans buying up means of production in global food control? well I never!) and it's true, you pay for these resistant seed subscriptions and if you stop paying you cannot get the crops anymore and will have to defer to another but sadly the world is in hands of these large multinational mega corps that run world food production.
It also seems that seed coating also makes sure that only resistant seeds from that company grow there, so if you go off subscription other company's shit won't grow on your land anymore.
>>81311005
>Every fucking crop is already sprayed with pesticides, this is nothing new you ignorant cunts.
The difference being older pesticides didn't require biological manipulation to make our foods survive them.
>>81307941
I think it has more to do with the corporation than the science m8
>>81311005
>>81307941
>t. Monsanto shill
Get fucked you parasite
>>81307687
It's to protect domestic agro business.
>>81311005
t. americattle
>>81311005
kys
>>81311206
Monsanto isn't the only one that makes GMO crops you know
The big push now is to modify crops to resist drought better. You guys probably eat a GMO food source every day without realizing it.
>>81311733
Nigga literally everything in a can, bottle or "fresh" is now GM food.
>>81308938
the farmers are the ones asking for plants that don't germinate because it guarantees them a fully optimized seed every season
>>81311733
To clarify, I do not like Monsanto for there business practices and how they treat their customers, I do not however dislike the work in the agricultural field to help improve our food sources through science.
>>81312009
Therefore it's in the interests of every country to strategically own the rights to their own brand of seeds to be independent from foreign economic warfare using food production.
>>81312009
This is correct
>>81311874
If I took two plant that could cross pollinate with each other and create a totally new plant, then I have genetically modified these two plants so to speak.
If you mess with the plant in anyway, your modifying it is some form or fashion.
>>81312385
Thats not what GM means you mong
>>81312385
Assuming I continue with the new plant created through cross pollination and discontinued using the original plants
I could have worded that better
>>81312477
That's what GM means dawg.
What they're doing with crspr kits and dna assisted marking is just the refining of older methods of genetic modification through breeding or marker assisted breeding.
>>81312477
If plant A had better seed production, but poor stability due to a weak stem and root system. While plant B had a strong stem and root system, but poor seed production.
If I cross these to obtain a better plant, then I am genetically modifying it to be a better plant. You don't have to gene splice to modify, there is more than one way to genetically modify a crop you know
>>81307687
GMO products contain a shitload of xenoestrogen literally pussifying the western male population. To the ban, I say well done.
>>81311005
Science is not God. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something.
the arguments given are good enough to take a step back, but this is a very slippery slope, the kind we can't come back from.
>>81307687
>Why?
commerade Kaputin will provide plenty of krokadil to fill the empty stomachs of russkies in winter
>>81313069
no one has ever outlawed that friend. FrankenCrops™ is what needs to be questioned and scrutinized. Even if it is just irrational fear, its better to wait and watch what happens to the stupid fat AmeriBurgers.
>>81313403
So just because we can go to space means we shouldn't never do it?
>>81313714
They still do this with GMO crops too, they never stopped doing that
>>81313403
Just because we can't do something doesn't mean we shouldn't.
Empty words.
>>81313714
Do you understand how gene expression works? Final food products contain the proteins, the modified genes won't affect you.
FrankenCrops is a propaganised term used by shills who do not understand even the basics of gene modification.
Ivan got a brain.
Burgers don't care what they stuff in their mouth as long as their mouth is stuffed, and they are massively brainwashed.
>fuck the bees you stupid treehugger
>>81314400
Dubs of truth
>>81308938
>we don't know the effects of DEET
>IT MIGHT BE REALLY HARMFUL GUYS
>science: probably not, but we should limit exposure just in case
>NOPE ALL OUT BAN
>6 months later: 20 million dead in Africa and India due to UN-ban on DEET
>hasn't changed since the 70s
>>81314519
Never understood the bee issue, my area has planted GMOs for a long time and I have never noticed a drop in the bee population
>>81314738
everyone wins
>>81314984
In fact, I know 10 individuals that ease bees in my area, not once have they complained about losing mass amounts of bees
>subscription seeds
>being defended by people here
I just can't believe the idiots that populate /pol/ sometimes.
>>81315358
That raise bees
>>81311243
this
it is just an excuse to ban us companies
>>81315461
I buy all my seed corn, soybeans and wheat from Beck's Seed Company, based out of Atlanta, IN. Been buying from them for 5 years now and not once have I ever had to pay a "subscription fee" to plant their products. You thinking of the people who buy straight from Monsanto, they are the only ones that do the subscription thing.
>>81315461
To be fair, not alot of people here are farmers (I think)
>>81311005
>coming from the guy that probably still eats fast food, deli meat, and soft drinks LMAO
enjoy your 75 year life span blue pill boy
>>81311206
>implying 106 noble laureates are all paid monsanto shills
>implying you would not become one of the most famous researchers if you could proof that GMOs were harmful
>implying that targeted gene editing is less natural than MAKING A NEW FUCKING SPECIES BY FUSING TWO ENTIRELY DIFFEREN PROTOPLASTS
>implying that targeted gene editing is less natural than using radiation and all sort of super toxic mutagenes in conventional breeding
because slippery slope. If the technology becomes easily available there can and will be bio-terrorism
>>81315461
better than people who pine for turkmen in makeup
>>81316792
>being a literal luddite in the 21st century
why
>>81316792
Could you give a reasonable example of such bio-terrorism?
>>81316881
She's in Japan right now anon. Why don't you go find out yourself?
>>81316072
There are a few here, but I don't talk about here cause agricultural is not one of /pol/s biggest issues to worry about at the moment
t. Thrid Generation farmer
>>81316971
really where? I'll get dick pics
>>81307687
A better question is "Why not?"
GMO's for the 3rd worlders, everyone else can eat the tried and tested good stuff.
>>81315947
>small seed companies
>I want to provide a service to my community and country and get honest pay for it
Good
>big corporate conglomerates
>I want to corner the market at any means necessary
Bad
GMO isn't bad guys, it's just who does it and for what purpose.
>>81313403
>Science is not God. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something.
You shit eating retards have been using this argument for the past millennium and you've been wrong every single fucking time
If Americans are so dumb why is the US the only western country of considerable size whose official position is generally favourable of GMO?
>>81316792
you do not need genome engineering for bioterrorism.
You can produce all sort of pathogenes with standard molecular biological methods already. The technology for this is widely available. You literally need only one plasmid to change bacillus subtilis into bacillus anthraces.
You are confusing molecular microbiology with genome engineering of eukaryotic organisms.
>>81316792
Are you a fucking retard? People can buy 140 dollar CRISPR kits to genetically modify yeast at home.
Get fucked luddite, even with bans people will make this shit, it's not like the fucking niggers tell you that "stolen knowledge" suddenly disappears.
>>81317403
Thats more of a fuck the european commies than a matter of intelligence
>>81317460
>buy 140 dollar CRISPR kits
Shit really? I didn't know they were that cheap.
>>81314738
Can't see a problem
>>81316939
creating famine with gm locusts is the first thing that comes to mind. they're already bad enough without genetic meddling.
>>81307687
U.S. companies own most GMO patents, and much of the U.S. food supply is GMO. This is simple protectionism.
>>81316930
If we were still using horse and carriage, all those people in France wouldn't have had to die.
>>81317277
Beck's has been a really good company to work with, family owned and been in business for 50+ years
They at least treat me as a human being, and not some account number like Monsanto did
>>81309591
Its a smart move if thats indeed what they are doing
>>81307687
All food is genetically modified you moron, have you ever seen wild version of the stuff we eat? They are shit.
>>81317616
Guy from google broke off to "democratize" the science of genetic engineering, I say it's the right choice, like 3D printing, or metal working tools, or any fucking knowledge really.
The government regulating what knowledge is forbidden and what isn't is bullshit.
>>81317403
Because we're the only ones who are any good at it.
>>81317656
>creating famine with gm locusts is the first thing that comes to mind.
u wot?
So you're idea against GMO plants to help countries with famine is because you can easily create GM locusts which can create famine. Am I getting that right?
>gm locusts
what kind of gene modification are you talking about?
>>81313403
You sound like a fucking idiot
>>81317827
Monsanto owns 23% of the global market ya dingus, Beck's is local.
>>81311206
Holy shit the rest of the world is actually retarded.
>>81318037
it's the effect of islam
only retards are for importing gmo
you need more pesticide for gmoTM(R) foodTM(R) and only a special gmo-pesticideTM(R) is fitted to to the job
oh also farmers are not allowed keep the seeds
>>81317947
>Not genetically modifying locusts to spread locust aids.
>not having rid the world of a giant menace.
or go green
>Not keeping shitloads of locust eating birds.
>>81318146
I'm pretty sure Japan have them too.
>>81318170
I know there's lots of ways to tackle that but I was just trying to wrap my head around it.
>>81318166
And your point is?
If that's such a downside then they wouldn't fucking buy them. But the increased yields and ease of farming are worth the stupid regulations and buying every season. Well, unless you believe farmers are trying to not make money.
>>81318234
Yup, but we monitor our terrorists
>>81307941
nothing to do with that nigger dumbass, someone explained this to me but i forgot, cant remember if it was about competitiveness or something involving their agriculture sector and the fall of the rubble
>>81317616
the guy is right 140 for crispr, or ~100€ for a TALEN flash assembly kit.
You need very basic equipment though (centrifuge, pipettes etc).
>>81318675
Yeah, that stuff's easy to get
>there are still people demonizing GMOs in the current year
>>81318001
Yes, I know that, I was describing my experience with both, I did not like dealing with Monsanto. Their customer service was poor at most.
>>81318887
anyway you do not need this for bioterrorism.
Standard molecular microbio is much easier.
>>81318540
Nonsense. The crux of the whole thing is Monsanto's runaway dishonesty. You cannot make free market arguments while demanding a million exemptions.
>>81319116
Ejaculating onto a culture's even easier
>>81319116
Yeah yeah I know, I just didn't know there were commercially available CRISPR kits.
>>81307687
What does the russian government know about GMO that we don't?
>>81317403
Dumb leftist faggots hate GMOs.
Every western nation save America is run by dumb leftist faggots.
>>81319193
What have they been dishonest about? All the obligations he was bitching about are in the contract.
>>81312385
Right, so if I then buy your plant and harvest it and collect the seeds and replant, I shouldn't have to pay a license.
>>81319367
Russia is leftist now?
>>81319367
>Forgetting we are ruled by King Nigger
>people thinking only GMO are subscription based
making infertile crops is god damn easy and has been done for AGES. Anyone with a highschool biology education can do it.
>>81308938
>We don't know the long term effects of eating crops laced with pesticide that would kill a normal plant but not one that is biologically resistant to it.
Sure we do, cancer and sterility.
I think its awesome that they are introducing GMO on the market. Only subhumans with <100 iq fall for the ''safe and necessary to increase food production'' meme anyway. It fucking brilliant, not only do they remove the idiots but they also get the idiots to remove themselves freely AND pay them for it.
Just keep enjoying that HFCS that is in everything, burgers.
>>81320636
>kosher
>falling for the IQ meme
>doesn't realise organic products still use harsh pesticides
Thank you for your service, Sweden.
>>81316509
>>implying 106 noble laureates are all paid monsanto shills
Implying you need to pay smart people for them to realize that there is to many fucking plebs shitting up the planet.
>>implying you would not become one of the most famous researchers if you could proof that GMOs were harmful
Implying you wouldn't become a corpse.
>>81320636
well what the fuck doesnt cause cancer, and just keep your bull on an organic diet if you want your girlfriend to get bred
>>81320951
>>falling for the IQ meme
Spotted the abbo
>>81321200
I love you Glorious Nippon
May we remove chinks together someday
>>81307687
They don't give a fuck about GMO they don't want American businesses infiltrating their food supply.
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TRYING TO SHUT DOWN MONSANTO. WE NEED MONSANTO FOR JOBS. YOU WILL RUIN US.
>>81321200
>well what the fuck doesnt cause cancer
Not living in a country that has been irradiated with nukes.
>>81315461
We need them so St.louis doesn't lose any more jobs.
>>81307687
Long story short, Russia actually doesnt want to kill its citizens and depopulate and sterilize the world compared to UK and other Western countries.
>>81321629
Their not the only ones that produces GMO crops retard
>>81321926
no fucking shit retard.
>>81321629
Monsanto's a job killer, they destroyed the family farm.
>>81321911
That sounds like something you would want though Ahmed, don't you want the West to fall and come under your control?
>>81307687
My only guess: lobbied by some big local businessmen. Not sure if they have enough money though. If they can't adapt modern cheap technologies fast enough, they will lose to imports.
Not my problem. Cheaper production will not make food cheaper or better for consumers here. Did it happen in America or anywhere else? Imported vegetables have no taste and they're tough as nuts to keep shape in containers. I don't care if I sound hippie (our hipsters are turbo-pro-GMO by the way) but I prefer normal natural food. I don't know how do they make tomatoes to have less flavor, if they're GMO or not, I just want tasy and safe food. No matter the technology.
You know what would be great? GMO trees that grow huge in a year. Imagine cheap wood replacing plasic. Somebody fund that thing.
>>81321702
wtf i hate america now
>>81322076
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdamediafb?contentid=2015/03/0066.xml&printable=true
>97% of US farms owned by small farming families
>But their killing the family farm I said!
>>81322134
You better start learning Spanish biatches, as it will be your majority language probably within your lifetime.
>>81322191
>You know what would be great? GMO trees that grow huge in a year. Imagine cheap wood replacing plasic. Somebody fund that thing.
Those already exist, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_tree#Accelerated_growth
Different species of tomatoes can have different flavours, the growing conditions, soil pH, fertilizers, ripeness, can also affect it's taste.
>>81322556
I'll fix that problem on the 8th of November
>>81322556
You better start learning arabic, urdu, afrikaans too, swede
>>81308683
This
>>81313339
RARE
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>>81322805
As much as I also love Trump, he is just another zionist puppet.
Mega-pro-Israel and gave his daughter away to Zionists in an sacrifice to become president.
>>81309591
I'm not going to dive into the GMO debate even though I have years genetic engineering experience because I know it will end up in "da joos dun do it"
But basically this. Food exporting is the main reason why NZ AUS the U.S and Canada can basically tell any nation to do anything (mostly the U.S) and why AUS Canada and NZ hit SO much further above their weight class in politics. Because those 4 countries produce almost all of the worlds food exports (excluding European countries inter trading, basically treating the EU like one single nation).
>>81322805
There won't be an election.
>>81314400
But you do, right random anonymous poster?
>>81307687
GMO food recently proven to be capable to be poisonous.
1. GMO causes allergies.
2. GMO with genes of N can kill a man allergic to N.
Case of GMO-death was of man allergic to fish, that ate tomato with fish genes.
Current GMO regulations do not allow people to know which genes are used to create certain foods.
Allergy mechanism research is insufficient.
Also we probably do not want to fund genekike monopoly.
>>81323216
Yes. Albeit I don't work with edible GMOs but I work with human GMO's nonetheless.
>>81307687
thank GOD
>>81316509
>>implying that targeted gene editing is less natural than MAKING A NEW FUCKING SPECIES BY FUSING TWO ENTIRELY DIFFEREN PROTOPLASTS
>it's not
Im a botanist and maybe there can be problems with transgenic transfer, but cisgenic transfer is perfectly fine and can be used to stack disease resistant genes far quicker than through conventional breeding. By stacking rust-resistance for example we can increase global yield of the crop by around 25%
>>81323266
Proofs?
>>81323196
>>81322997
We will have to wait and see
Either we vote in a booth or we vote from the roof tops
are those actual globalist shills
why would they even come here
People forget that problems GMOs are supposed to solve are just here because of the few megacorps producing the seeds.
Plants could find find a different habitat on the other side of a hill, so it is idiotic to assume that CurrentSupercropZ8 would perform well on every place it's planted.
But Anon, I hear you say, there are different crops for different habitats. That is true but there variety is still very limited opposed to local seeds that are able to be produced after a few generations which will be perfectly suited for exact this local climate.
Oh and to everyone who speaks german I recomend this documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPM533uLIw
>>81307687
Most likely because GMOs are produced primarily in the United States and it's a way to prevent the import of American foodstuffs and a way to protect Russian food sovereignty, etc etc
>>81322191
>I don't know how do they make tomatoes to have less flavor
The food might not be fully ripe when they harvest, they tend to be rushing the food out as fast as possible because $$$ and don't give a shit about quality.
>>81307687
GMO is beneficial for having hardier crops, that are resistant to disease. But it also a downfall because genetically modified seeds can be programmed to only flower once and not breed seeds. Which means profit for GMO seeds.
>>81313579
Crocodile precursors are banned since 2010. "Lib"kikes went batshit over FSKN raids.
>>81323636
Either way, Trump is way better than Shillary, so there is no reason not to vote for him.
Also he indeed wants to improve trade relations for the US, regardless of being a zionists or not, and using the tariff-system on imported goods, he will probably succeed.
>being against importing cheaply made, subsidized goods is bad
>>81323266
>Current GMO regulations do not allow people to know which genes are used to create certain foods.
>Allergy mechanism research is insufficient.
The guy was allergic, companies should label the foods regardless if they're GMO or non-GMO that they contain potential allergens.
>>81308907
>technically, it's to make it more tolerant to the roundup or equivalent.
>So it's more protecting their market and spread their own cheminstry in soils.
also means less pesticides on our food
>>81323636
Google it, i`m not here to prove anything.
>>81324167
>I don't have time to educate you shitlord
lel busy day huh
>>81311005
GMO's and non organic veggies have more calories, but less micronutrients, and significantly less cancer fighting agents.
Good for starving 3rd world nations, fucking awful for countries where food is cheap and easily accessible.
>>81324015
>because they cause cancer
almost like your comment
>>81307687
You asking why ?
Why russia ban ?
Or
Why ogm ban ?
Cause genetics when modified by human is less healthy and genetics decrese easly
THIS
IS
SHIT
Why asking ?
>>81324441
So even Golden Rice which is a GM rice that has been modified to increase Vitamin A levels? (essentially beta-carotene).
What 'cancer fighting agents' do you speak of?
>>81307687
Idiots.
I bet the anti-GMers here refuse to vaccinate their children too
People seem to forget that main goal for GMOs is to produce a crop that is most easily to transport and will stay visually fresh as long as possible.
Everything else like durr africans can plant them is deserts to feed themselfs is bullshit. As if they would have the money to buy it from them.
No they want normed food of which half of it will be thrown into the trash after it was transported across an entire continent and spent one day in a shelf of a supermarket
>>81324406
> educate me, you filthy SJW
Why would I?
>>81323699
Holy shit, only 3 comments, one of them already complaining about capitalism.
>>81325170
In that picture, capitalism seems like the comfy alternative.
>>81311005
Round-Up resistant crops and BT crops are a dead end technology. Weeds are already evolving a resistance to Round-Up and bugs will develop a resistance to BT toxins. This is basic biology.
>>81324441
There isn't enough evidence to pin that on GMOs. It is also likely that relying on NPK fertilizer and not ensuring basic soil health beyond that plays a role. Even non-GMO cultivars often have less nutrition in them than crops did 60 years ago. GMO or not, we need to step back and take a good, hard look at our entire agricultural system.
>>81307687
GMO CAUSES CANCER.
>>81325170
GMOs require the backing of heavy industry to get the actual benefits engineered into them. Africans won't get those benefits because they're third world shitholes.
Russians are a technocratic people, the government doesn't see any real health risks with GMO products. The fact of the matter is that 95% of the food produced in Russia is not GMO while in the West it's the opposite. So why did they ban GMO? To have people buy local growth food so the country is more self sustaining and the babushkas that have like an 90% voter turnout are happy.
>>81325329
What capitalism the one where cartels control country wide food production or the capitalism where local food producers compete on an exeptable level?
I indeed prefer the later.
It must be hard to met someone who doesn't share the opinion with you that sucking the dick of megecorps while paying them for it is a good thing
>>81325746
This
Im glad a fucking americuck understand that. Maybe your people are not so stupid
>>81322604
Noice. I hope it will be a wide-spread practice.
>>81324960
>One example of a single nutrient added to a single crop
Oh, boy. I'm sure sky rocketing obesity and cancer has nothing to do with us eating shit and growing shit plants. There's no way a military organisation who developed chemical weapons could do anything wrong. They always want what's best for the world.
Fucking normies. And they're called phytoestrogens. You probably think they'll give you boobs so I'm sure you're glad you're getting an increased cancer risk.
>>81325738
Yeah, so the argument that GMOs would somehow stop world hunger is not given.
Many I talk to still use it though
>>81318540
my point is that you are using a jap proxy you weeb shit
enjoy starvation russian retards.
you too, yurope.
>>81325540
Where is my independent, multiple peer reviewed, source on this claim?
As stated earlier in this thread what doesn't cause cancer these days
>>81308938
>Throw in the fact that these plants don't germinate
even most of the plant cultivated right now are already unable to produce capable seeds.
>>81311005
Listen you uneducated sperg - this is about owning the means of production. Monsanto is the complete opposite of democracy. They are enslaving us with legal patents on seeds and Russia knows this.
>>81326161
>American education
There is more then enough food produced to feed the entire world. It's only a matter of distrebution.
I'm not saying that should be done but you somehow thinking that a country which does not lie in Africa or another shithole like that would starve if they don't use GMOs is hilarious
>>81324054
What is an allergen? You know, people with multipersonality disorder have allergies in one personality and wont have it in the other. Genuinely.
The whole situation, if you`ll look into it, threatens materialism greatly.
As for normie-arguments: currently no sufficient labeling is in place and allergy mechanism research is insufficient.
Probably ban is still an overreaction here. So I guess it`s ban on genekike.
USofNA never for a single day cancelled sanctions over Russia since it came to existence, they just sometimes postponed it, no matter how democratic we was compared to USSR. So there is no need to play with egalitarianism meme any more. We do not want any non-shilling-for-Russia products here, if it`s not about survival. GMO is not about survival. And even if it would, we'll probably be better off developing our own vitamin rice.
>>81326064
You know eating excessive amounts of non-GMO sugar puts you at a higher risk of cancer, obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc.?
Do you have evidence that GMO plants have a causal link to cancer? Do you understand that the GMO plants you eat, you are eating the final product which are proteins, you are not eating the active genes itself.
>>81326465
ding ding ding
>>81326064
>Oh, boy. I'm sure sky rocketing obesity and cancer has nothing to do with us eating shit and growing shit plants
It doesn't. It has to do with eating too many calories and is directly linked to extremely calorie dense, but non-satiating, food. Shit like HFCS and apple juice.
>There's no way a military organisation who developed chemical weapons could do anything wrong. They always want what's best for the world.
Not an argument.
>And they're called phytoestrogens. You probably think they'll give you boobs so I'm sure you're glad you're getting an increased cancer risk.
Pic related.
>russia bans american GMOs to protect its economies
>hurr durr GMO are bad
Just you wait for Russia to introduce its own GMOs
>>81326465
This
It's not about GMOs themselves, but more about shady business practices by Monsanto that are the real issue
>>81322191
> GMO trees that grow huge in a year.
Quick-growing trees are not strong material do build anything of it. Only would fit to use in paper production.
>>81322191
Also why not use normal trees? There is a lot of them.
>>81326352
That is only partially true. If you get hybrid seeds, some of them have human induced male cytoplasmic sterility that gets passed on through the mother's side. In other words, the plants can produce seeds if pollinated, but they cannot produce viable pollen. Also, if you are talking plants that are traditionally cloned, getting true seed can be difficult because of epigenetics and chromosomal damage, but that can be undone. Garlic and many potato cultivars are this way.
Beyond that, go to any reputable nursery or online seed shop and get heirloom or just open pollinated seed and you will be able to grow plants that produce an abundance of seeds.
>>81312477
bringing shame to the flag m8 if your gonna oppose something at least learn what it is
>>81313403
If God put it there, he intended it for us to do it.
>>81327170
If God gave us free will, he intended for us to fuck up sometimes too.
>>81307687
That's because it's not Russia making the seeds, it's someone else. As a country you want to be self sufficient, not have to rely on others for FOOD of all things.
even if you think GM is bad and might cause health problems in the long term its better than starving to death from lack of crops. GM provides affordable food to the poor its "organic" corporations we should be against they sell often identical crops for about 10x the price.
>>81326835
Control the food and you can control the people.
I always love it when I go into a nursery and see seed packets labeled "Non GMO." You want to know how I know that they're not GMO seeds? Because I'm not signing a fucking contract just to buy them.
>>81326988
the point is that most of the time farmer just re-buy their seeds anyway, and the being sterile part is not a defining properties of GMOs, it happens only with corporation produced seed.
Many GMOs from public research in europe have been planned to work like every other seed, but the anti-GMO luddite outcry produced bans on research.
here in italy several university were researching new GMOs for kiwis, apples and oranges if I recall correctly, that would have been resistant to certain species of parasites through natural proteins from other species, and they would have been distributed freely, as a new variety. But research has been stopped, the kiwis plant have been burned and the apple seed are tucked away in some forsaken drawer.
And then people here cry when scientist flee the country and research doesn't progress
>>81308683
This, regulation has to be passed asap.
>>81313403
Just because we can drive cars, doesn't mean we shouldn't walk or ride horses instead
>>81327936
Yeah we had shit like that here, fucking greenpeace
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-14/20110714-greenpeace-gm-protest/2794272
>>81307941
enjoy your cancer then
>>81312586
There's a difference between manual cross-pollination and splicing a plant's dna with that of a virus.
>>81327689
I don't have to sign a contract to plant GMOs from Beck's either, it's just a Monsanto thing.
Lot of people in my area have switched to Beck's cause of this, also better customer support and appreciation
>>81327936
GMO is incapable to produce after 3-5 generations. Corporations just exploit the resource of their seeds to produce more. Why would they sell you 1st generation seeds without any guarantee on how much generations would it grow further?
GMO is not infertile. It produces a lot of defective offsprings in the next generations.
Any GMO, even non-corporate GMO, even bacterial GMO.
That`s not intentional. That`s modern genetics level. Because they cant encode genes as nature does, compressing one gene into another, interlock multiple genes together. They cut the DNA chain and put the needed gene in this cut. Breaking adjacent genes and not defending inserted gene from pathogenes. They break natural genetic immune system to create GMO and it cant live in nature.
>>81328802
>splicing a plant's dna with that of a virus.
Please elaborate.
>>81307941
>le super crop meme
The vast majority of GMO crops have only one altered trait: immunity to roundup. That way they can bathe entire fields with it and their crops won't get damaged. Other than that it's all "natural."
would have thought pol would be pro-GM as its often dumb lefties who are anti-GM. people who dont understand food with a small chance potential health problems is better than no food at all.
>>81329031
>GMO is incapable to produce after 3-5 generations.
Stopped reading here.
>>81329031
>Any GMO, even non-corporate GMO, even bacterial GMO.
>That`s not intentional. That`s modern genetics level. Because they cant encode genes as nature does, compressing one gene into another, interlock multiple genes together. They cut the DNA chain and put the needed gene in this cut. Breaking adjacent genes and not defending inserted gene from pathogenes. They break natural genetic immune system to create GMO and it cant live in nature.
That's not entirely true. Maybe early versions of GMOs sure, but you can express genes in cells for years, like human life expectancy or longer.
I don't know where you're getting this from but I am curious.
>>81328487
but here was due to direct ministerial decree. Research on GMOs has been banned by the government, and is supported by virtually all parties.
It can be okay to cater to a mentally handicapped population and banning GMOs food for now, but banning research?
>>81328802
yes, one introduce a shitload of genes and chromosome without any control, the other one is a precise work where only one variable is controlled and tested
>>81329031
what the fuck are you even writing? It is clear as day that you have no idea on how genetics work, so I'll just ask you a scientific source for this:
>GMO is incapable to produce after 3-5 generations
>>81328802
>virus
The BT gene is a natural product of a certain type of weed, it was noticed that corn borer worms didn't eat it and the ones that did died.
So this natural gene, that does not transfer to the seed that the corn plant produces anyways, was put into the corn plant to keep the farmer from having to make an extra pass with the sprayer. Meaning less chemicals on your food.
>>81329178
> behead those who insult science
> muh genetics will grow me infinite gibsmedats
> those pesky luddite unbelievers
Mad much?
>>81329569
The GMO's I work with last 100's of generations, I have no idea why you're shilling here.
>>81329031
>Why would they sell you 1st generation seeds without any guarantee on how much generations would it grow further?
thats the same thing that happens with non GMO seeds you absolute uneductated fucktard, companies sell seeds with heterozygous genotypes. are you actually mentally handicapped to think that farmers still hoard seeds from last year to plant them? thay are buying them every year, GMO or non-GMO
>>81329345
What kind of shill bullshit is this?
>>81326910
>Quick-growing trees are not strong material do build anything of it.
Why? Why not make them grow like you want with genemagic or additional treatment?
Normal trees are more expensive than plastic.
>>81307687
Because GMOs cause cancer and are a way to cause gradual depopulation as well as make money for jewish companies.
Putin has had enough of this globalist bullshit
>>81329569
>GMO is incapable to produce after 3-5 generations.
>GMO is not infertile. It produces a lot of defective offsprings in the next generations.
>That`s not intentional. That`s modern genetics level. Because they cant encode genes as nature does
I want at least 3 credible sources for each claim. That's 3 for "All GMO is rendered infertile after 3-5 generations," 3 for "All GMO produces defective offspring on a regular basis," and 3 for "It is impossible to produce GMO that does not do the previous two things."
I'll wait.
>>81321702
>Not living in a country that has been irradiated with nukes
Hasn't your local islamic educational high school taught you that nukes irradiate in the explosion aftermath only?
Silly abibibubu
Is it just me or is pol ran by shills lately they shill from assad threads to GMO to Hillary to Turkey
Its like these people are paid per topics and spesific agencies
>>81329765
>Because GMOs cause cancer
>implying
>>81307941
>>81308683
Both are right.
B-B-But science!
>>81318911
It's not that I distrust gmos- I distrust monsanto.
>>81313339
R A R E
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>>81329997
>Is it just me
yes
>>81329104
Ignorant as fuck, like all GMO hater-drones.
Why would they buy a more expensive GMO seed, if they also had to waste more herbicide with it, genius?
Seriously these GMO haters are literally flat-earth levels of dumb and should all be purged for holding mankind back.
>>81307687
Because GMO is horribly misused and has become a cancer rather than a positive.
>>81329750
One plant was grown using "glorious traditional way complete with child slave labor" and the other was grown using genetically engineered seeds that give 10 times more harvest. And in the end they still produce the same fucking result, because it's just one, the same fucking molecule. Just like all other modified or non-modified genes will break down in your stomach into elementary molecules.
>>81313403
>Science is not God. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something.
t.Cruzmissile
>>81330102
Shill detected
>>81330313
>give 10 times more harvest
You missed the point, you can harvest more from one plant. Of course they break down in the stomach as the same proteins. Jesus christ...
>>81327170
Like your butthole right?
>>81307687
European agriculture is broke because they can't compete with us and now the Russian are following in their steps with the GMO ban?
Top cucks.
Way to shoot yourselves in the foot libfags.
Good for Ukraine though, they will surge ahead of Russia.
>>81330000
They absolutely do.
>>81307687
Because scientific litteracy in Russia is as low as in Congo just like pseudosciences are as strong in Russia as in Congo.
Welp, there goes the price. Good thing I feed most of mine.
>>81330695
Laughed. Not sticking in the thread, but I figured Brazil could use a win.
>>81308938
>>81307687
>>81307941
These new crops are chimeras and novel organisms. Would you eat the leaves of a random bush in the wilderness? I wouldn't without extensive testing. These new amalgams that seed companies are creating are not tested at all.
Throw some roach genes into corn's DNA? Why not! Test it? Pah, who needs that. Bacteria genes too? Sure! Don't even bother testing the result on lab rats. Just ship it!
>>81307687
Because GMO is shit. Russia is more about uncucking than cucking like USA.
I would say 89% of pol can not swallow the food redpill, about 80% of the stuff that you find in the store is pure shit that is bad for you.
>>81330743
American agricultural subsidies already ensure that the world can't compete with american grain.
>>81331217
>not tested at all.
except they are heavily tested.
>>81331354
By whom?
>>81330743
GMO was never used in our agriculture to begin with. Only import was allowed.
>>81330743
Because agriculture is such a big deal in EU right?
Besides those same libtards are stuffing their faces with "natural" grown foods as fast as they can so its mostly cattle and lower classes that actually eat GMO here.
And even that is assuming that Monsanto can lobby enough to avoid bans
>>81331217
>muh "not tested at all" argument
Just like the food made using the "traditional" way. In fact, GMO is much more tested in labs and on animals before being released, while with normal food they just grab the first mutation that looks visually appealing and sell it as a new top breed.
>>81307687
why do you mean why? this is great. godspeed russia
>>81315461
It costs billions of dollar to develop these seeds and get them trough all sorts of tests, so of course they need a mechanism to make money.
>>81331354
There is no required testing of GMO foods in the US.
>>81331305
nobody's going to miss religion, social norms or the family unit tho
>>81331611
low tier troll
>>81331418
people desperately trying to shake off negative stigma and any potential future legal and financial issues?
>hey lets make some fancy new crops from old ones, but instead of making money or helping people we will do it as poorly as possible, make people sick or dead, and get shit on for it until the end of time!
>Genius, Wilson, you are now VP of the company
you sound like niggers trying to make it out like everyone with a badge got it for expressing a desire to kill niggers
>>81330877
Russia has most university graduates in the world
>>81307941
I thought most GMO crops were spliced with the highly-toxic tobacco plant, so they can produce their own pesticides "naturally" when pests attack.
>>81331495
New lines achieved from selective breeding are still the same organism. New GMO varieties are a novel organism.
>>81331794
*Per capita
>>81331418
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodScienceResearch/GEPlants/
>>81331321
We can and we do, regularly.
It's funny because you give subsidies to your farmers and we actually tax ours. Imagine if we had a sensible government.
>>81331482
>Because agriculture is such a big deal in EU right?
Yes it is, actually. You spend billions in farming subsidies, tariffs, and other measures and still can't compete.
>>81331707
Show the law buddy. Protip - there isn't one.
>>81331794
what are they graduating as mostly?
>>81331418
The company that creates it, the companies that are partnered with it and lease their technologies. Even FDA has involvement in new technologies.
>>81331611
You need to pass standard tests to market, but there is no extra steps just because it's GMO. But they do have a program specific to it, that everyone goes through voluntarily
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodScienceResearch/GEPlants/ucm461831.htm
>muh autism
>muh sterilisation
>corporashionnnnzzz!!!
>proceeds to the closest whole foods and pays 6 for one apple because muh organic.
>>81331876
Women's studies.
/pol/ on politics
>muh traditions
(((/pol/))) on traditional agriculture
>lol fuck natural food and the thousands of years that we have been eating it, GMOs are so superior
So many fucking shills.
>>81330877
I mean, its not like they sent the first man into space or something
>>81331876
You can check yourself but it's definitely not liberal arts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MknnRPk8eRE
Even based stefbot supports GMO's.
>>81331814
>New lines achieved from selective breeding are still the same organism.
but in natural agriculture there are organism born from inbreeding between different plants, and those don't need to be tested, even if they can be infinite times worse than a GMO in terms of allergens.
>>81331980
>lol fuck using computers and phones we should converse normally like we've been doing for thousands of year, fucking shills
It probably has something to do with those suicide seeds. There is patented seeds that will have sterile offspring to prevent farmers from saving seeds for next year.
https://nature.berkeley.edu/srr/Alliance/novartis/sterile.htm
>>81331980
why are you sitting on a computer? Go talk traditionally
>>81331980
>equating political speculation with science
lmao
>>81331980
Traditional agriculture is essentially gene modifying crops over centuries. GMOs can fast-track that much quicker.
>thinking /pol/ is one person
oy vey
>>81332168
No one is trying to promote computers as an alternative to real life interactions shill
>>81332168
more chance of phones and computers to stop working than all humans to lose their speech
>>81331885
Wow, the FDA says they've tested 150 whole varieties. That's reassuring considering the thousands of novel GMO varieties being sold.
>>81332297
The flipside to that is that you'll also hit dead ends faster. That may be all good and well in the long term view of things, however, the first time some BT resistant insect wipes out most of a year's corn crop, there will be hell to pay.
>>81332212
I dont think this technology is used by any seed company.
>Fact: Monsanto has never commercialized a biotech trait that resulted in sterile – or “Terminator” – seeds. Sharing the concerns of small landholder farmers, Monsanto made a commitment in 1999 not to commercialize sterile seed technology in food crops. We stand firmly by this commitment, with no plans or research that would violate this commitment.
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx
>>81323801
Doesn't Russia already have sanctions against US for foodstuffs or is it just EU?
>>81332610
I would actually rather them put it into their seeds, so long as the crops are both male and female sterile. That way, if they do something that is truly harmful, you can be sure that all that needs to be done to eliminate it is for Monsanto to quit producing the seed, and there are no worries that whatever is harmful makes it into other plant populations via cross pollination.
>>81313907
Cloning humans is scientifically possible. It does not mean we do it, though.
>>81324603
all of the above
>>81332471
wat... if a new gene is tested safe, why should FDA have to have it tested another few hundred times if they put it into a different corn etc.
They are using the same gene for a lot of these, herbicide resistance etc.
>>81332503
funny thing, but this can happen with standard agricolture too. The current number of strains that are cultivated is low already, and GMOs can only make it better. Here in italy this happened two times with "natural" agriculture where parasites first destroyed chestnut trees and now olive trees are endangered by a new parasite.
GMOs can actually help develop fast alternative and new variation to strains that are endangered. How exactly doing it slowly with inbreeding should help?
>>81333038
That's not how genetics works. Genes do not express themselves independently of all other genes, despite extremely out of date claims to the contrary.
>>81333097
>"natural"
>quotes
>oddly specific anecdote
>referring to the natural process of breeding crops as "inbreeding"
I hope you aren't doing this for free.
>>81333208
yes, but once the extra-protein has been deemed safe, the fact that its expression may be different is not really important, as long as it stays under the concentration threshold for when it was tested.
>>81333097
You can also solve that problem with locally adapted, genetically diverse landrace crops. They typically don't produce as much per acre/hectare, but they are also less prone to catastrophic failure. GMOs may or may not increase genetic diversity in terms of what is available to farmers to plant, but they absolutely wreck genetic diversity within a given field. If one Round-Up Ready cornstalk in a farmer's field is especially susceptible to a new virus or whatever, all cornstalks in that farmer's field are.
>>81308938
organic uses pesticides moron they just don't use synthetic pesticides
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/2013/07/02/gmo-crops-mean-more-herbicide-not-less/#5d2b0490a371
>>81307687
The problem is "importing" seeds, not GMO. it's a protectionism measure. Russian agriculture is very backwards and cannot compete, there are no russian GMO producers.
It would sound reasonable as food security measure, but I'm 146% sure it's pure lobbyism by big agricultural holdings of Putin's friends.
>>81317098
t. Soon-to-be-jailed-for-sex-crimes-jap
Be nice to the poor girl.
She's obviously mentally unbalanced.
>>81317403
If you stopped using all gmo as of the next planting cycles, tens of millions would starve.
If we went all 'organic', a billion+ would starve and wars would break out.
>>81333578
>>referring to the natural process of breeding crops as "inbreeding"
fuck, I meant the exact opposite, breeding two different species together. It's like your everyday wheat was born, with a genomic duplication of two different aplotypes
and the quotes are there because "natural" agriculture isn't natural at all.
And I shill GMOs because I think they are a great asset to mankind.
>>81333734
But why you cannot do both? Why wasting acres with unproductive crops, when we need more food? I'm not arguing only for pesticide-resistant GMOs, I'm arguing especially in favor of GMOs that can yield more edible mass and are richer in nutrient. Also you are overstating the biodiversity in current agriculture. Hell, GMOs can help preserve the genetic difference by making it easy to introduce rare genes in local unknown plants into mass used ones.
The special GMOs apples which were being developed here in Italy combined an old resistance gene of a traditional species with low quality fruit with the standard apple, bypassing cross-breeding incompatibilities. And it was public research, not Monsanto shit.
>>81333966
With GMO crops I can use one chemical to take care of multiple weeds at once with a single pass with a sprayer.
In organic crops you have to have a cocktail of chemicals that target specific weed groups (grass, broadleafs, etc), so your using far more chemicals in organic production
>>81332297
Its the fact that GMO fast-tracking means a centralization of the process in the hands of those that can manipulate something essential to living. They haven't stopped putting a ton of sugar in cola. It makes them money. Why would it be any different for GMOs when there is so much competition? People need to be aware of all of these things because those that fund and run and rely on this business are going to hide any negatives.
>>81332124
Yes, and they're marketed as hybrids. Not the same original plant. It's a feature, unlike GMO which is hidden from the consumer like a shameful secret.
>>81326465
They were the company that took the risk and spent the money to create it. Saying they shouldn't be able to patent it is saying tax payers should be the only ones funding R&D.
>>81335162
Stop breeding africa like an out of control crazy cat lady's cat-colony.
>>81335212
You totally misunderstood what I said. GMOs, and even typical hybrid non-GMOs lack genetic diversity IN A GIVEN FIELD. You can have thousands hybrid and GMO cultivars in a seed catalog, but when a farmer picks just one to plant, his field lacks genetic diversity. That means that if one plant in his field is susceptible to a new threat, all are. Genetically diverse landrace crops are completely different in this respect. They also do not depend on heavy industry for their production, which in turn depends on CHEAP oil.
What people need to understand is that nature is not static. There is only so far that GMOs can go towards dealing with that, but plants do have a natural mechanism to deal with it if you let them.
>>81335229
Look up glyphosate resistant weeds. They exist. If you want to prevent them from existing, you have to use a cocktail of chemicals.
>>81308683
This.
Monsanto tactics of manufactured cross pollination to sue everyone else out of business, and legally nothing can stop them.
But also things like Golden Rice are excellent sources of food and vitamins for the worst of the worst poor countries.
So yeah, both, but mostly DRM.
>>81309591
This.
Monsanto has something of a monopoly on crops, which are also dependant on their pesticides. They becoming increasingly unnatural which brings up the obvious concern of long term side effects, and also increased dependence on their products which are more and more incompatible with natural farming.
>>81307687
Protectionism.
>>81325170
I'll take capitalism any day dude.
>>81335828
>It's a feature, unlike GMO which is hidden from the consumer like a shameful secret.
considering how the public reacts, I can see why corporations want to do that, but I do not endorse it.
>>81336222
>That means that if one plant in his field is susceptible to a new threat, all are
this already happen thought. You are asking for a different agricultural paradigm, that it is independent from the origin of the plants. And once again GMOs can help in that. I can devise by myself several strategies to make GMOs plants with diverse genetical resistances.
>if you let them.
if you let them most farm plant usually die out and stop having good yelds
>>81336169
I'd be more than happy to sterilize everyone in the undeveloped world who receives food/medical aid from the West.
And would be more than find with sterilizing every human being with a sub 100 IQ at the point they hit puberty.
>>81337113
fine*
>>81337113
The 300 Spartans, Hitler, ETC ETC ETC might not have lost if it weren't for this kind of thinking.
>>81331217
>Not tested
lol
>Chimeras
do you even know what that word means?
>>81336907
>if you let them most farm plant usually die out and stop having good yelds
Only if the farmer is a fucking moron who doesn't understand that some crops are susceptible to inbreeding depression. Neolithic people figured that shit out a looong time ago.
And yes, we need a different agricultural paradigm. Burning 10 calories for every food calorie produced only works so long as oil is cheap, and oil is not going to stay cheap. All of the stuff that you are talking about ties in with industrial agriculture.
>>81318037
Sit down.
>>81336359
Not true.
>Fact: Monsanto has never sued a farmer when trace amounts of our patented seeds or traits were present in the farmer’s field as an accident or as a result of inadvertent means.
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/gm-seed-accidentally-in-farmers-fields.aspx
>>81337491
We have the capability.
If you want humanity as a whole to advance, it should be done.
Otherwise you will always have a pathetic bottom tier that will only serve to hinder and endanger those who would take us forward.
I'm not talking about killing anyone.
And if you believe abortion is okay (I personally don't), then this should actually be much more friendly.
Those who are capable and prove themselves can get invitro fertilization or adopt.
Those who are exception will be strongly encouraged to donate their material for the couple generations it takes for the subhumans to die out, and encouraged through a variety of measures to have many healthy, intelligent, well taught and well mannered children to carry humanity forward.
>>81308938
A lot of pesticides/herbicides (such as RoundUp) are pathway dependent toxins. There are cellular biochemical processes in plants and insects that simply don't exist in mammals. For example, no animal is capable of utilizing energy through photosynthesis. Many weed-killing chemicals work by blocking the light harvesting reactions of plants, while remaining completely inert to humans and other mammals. This is what makes them completely safe for our consumption. Herbicide salesmen have been known to pitch their product by drinking a full glass of it in front of farmers.
>>81337800
You used the M name, prepare for a patent infringement lawsuit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8hoyO72NOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PMuwry8MUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZGueeao0tE
The whole thing makes no fucking sense.
You can put plants under radiation or other mutagens, cause random mutations and select the phenotypes that you like, neglecting any unknown mutations this might have caused. This is perfectly fine and happens with pretty much every succesful crop.
A targeted mutation or gene insertion of which the effects are well researched and of which it is exactly known what is changed is not allowed because "muh GMO".
Anyone opposing GMOs are fucking retarded. Yes the monsanto style monopoly building is cancerous and should be taken on, but the principle of GMO is great and great things are made using genetic modification. The rules need to be more complex than just "GMO IS BAD".
t. an angry biotechnologist
>>81338582
Good man.
I honestly think we need to go all in on genetic modification.
And move on to humans as soon as we have proven our competence with similar life.
We need to be preparing for the future, the certainties of change and the uncertainties as well.
>>81326064
>There's no way a military organisation who developed chemical weapons
>hurr durr monsanto
what about bayer, syngenta etc? are their GMOs good then?
>>81338110
>actually falling for the Hitler did nothing wrong meme
Uncuck yourself dude. I would expect something like that from a filthy abbo, then I'd at least understand why you treat the defenseless children worse than trash.
Without God to give morality, people create their own religion, there is such a thing as a "God-shaped hole":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwBx21-_S-0
National Socialist Hitler, Learn From History:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYjgicQOJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J--duaYfXrE
IQ doesn't mean much of shit if this is where it leads you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJtdGqOQgIE
>>81316358
I am a vegetarian that enjoys cooking with Canola Oil (which most oils are made with GM crops) and I am doing quite fine. I used to be fat, but as I am going to college next year I decided to get in shape. I've lost ~50 pounds and gained 20 of muscle, thus looking a lot nicer than I was, and I stopped eating fast food. I think the only "fast food" I eat is at local Mexican restaurants with my family.
I am pro-GMO, but also pro-regulation of the damn things. I can see the potential for danger in the produce and I want any danger stamped out.
>>81336575
literally the only reasonable post in this thread
>muh evil science
>muh monsanto
there are other reasons to reject patented seeds
>>81339547
Hitler didn't sterilize/deport the jews, he executed them.
Which was a terrible way to handle them.
They could have garnered no long term sympathy if all he had done was deport them from Europe.
We can now sterilize people in an almost entirely painless procedure with no serious impact on their life or vital functions other than lacking reproductive capability.
>>81307941
change gene, patent crop, then cram it down everyones throat so Monsanto can sell more round up...
Capitalism = how to grow a product that looks good enough to buy...
>>81340321
Also, I don't have anything against ethnic jews and I don't see jews as 'lesser'. If anything, they seem to be significantly above average.
So my ideological plans would not negatively impact them as a people.
If anything, I'm sure a great deal of them would support such a plan if they could be sure to avoid any negative backlash from doing so.
>>81338582
>You can put plants under radiation or other mutagens, cause random mutations and select the phenotypes that you like, neglecting any unknown mutations this might have caused. This is perfectly fine and happens with pretty much every succesful crop.
Selective breeding is how new varieties were made in the past, which is not that.
>>81340321
They were work camps, not death camps.
>>81340740
They should have been deported entirely.
Only executed if they returned afterward.
>>81339547
Hitler was the original WE WUZ KANGZ N SIEG HEIL
22:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwBx21-_S-0
>>81340740
Oh, ok. So they only had to endure slavery then :)
I guess Hitler was a good guy after all. And about those photographs of starving Jews; they weren't mistreated, they just had typhus. topkek
>>81341023
lol you think they didn't deserve it?
>>81341023
This.
Even enslaving them was wrong.
Kicking them the fuck out would have been the correct choice if he believed that they were detrimental to the German people as a whole.
