Should Europeans return to their ancient ancestral roots?
>>81301409
nah
>>81301409
yea
>>81301409
What do you think keneticism is?
This board worships a Egyptian God.
>>81301409
nah
>>81301409
No. That is degenerate postmodern thinking.
>>81301489
>>81301550
What has Christianity done to preserve Europe? It is a foreign religion in itself.
>>81301589
Is degenerate Christians favourite buzzword when they disagree with something? It bares no meaning in this context.
>>81301548
Egyptians aren't European, and this 'kek' worship is pure satire I hope you realise.
>>81301700
dont get me wrong i have nothing big against Paganism, but i just think it wont work in modern age,
>>81301409
The runes are wrong in that pic.
It says: "Mgolnir" but "Mjölnir" or "Mjolnir" would be correct.
I hate when people can't into futhark
Unfortunately the ever so tolerant and peaceful Christians just accidentally most of the evidence on what pagans believed and their places of worship.
If there was more to go on one could think about it more seriously as Christianity is not a European religion, it is a middle-eastern one.
>>81301409
I am breton, my ancestors were animists. Fuck that shit. I'm not praying to a fucking leaf.
>>81301949
Right, that is a fair comment. Also much of the history, artifacts etc. has been lost due to the Christians destroying it as it was deemed heretical.
>>81301700
>Ignoring 1400 years of fight against islam
What """pagan""" have done for Europe, do you kill muslims, nope, you're complaining like cucks on a board.
>>81301700
>It is a foreign religion in itself.
not our fault that our ancestors walked away from the truth faith and worshiped false idols
>>81302101
I just found any old pic on google friend, but I would be interested to learn more.
>>81301409
yes
uncuck yourselves
stop worshipping some dirty "turn the other cheek" sandkike from the middle east and start worshipping alpha aryan-ness
>>81301409
Yea, the Christian ones.
Yes, but it's a pipe dream. Too many degenerates and wiccan faggots muddying the waters. Too much lost to time.
>>81302361
Your truth is entirely subjective of course.
>wanting to play along with a bunch of fags larping in the woods
>>81301409
yay
>>81302550
Wiccans are a fucking joke, I'm convinced they are a marxist infiltration used to suppress Europeans interest in Paganism.
>>81301409
yes.
Christ came only for the sheep from the house of Israel.
We are gentiles of the heathen nations.
Christianity teaches that the innocent ought to die for the crimes of the guilty, so the guilty can keep committing crimes.
Christ is nothing but a scapegoat for the religion of weaklings and cowards.
>>81301409
No. Paganism is stupid and based on Worley idols. Thor won't save you and Europe was much better off Christian. Unfortunately Europe is so atheistic now that they have very little moral direction. If they were still heavily Christian another Crusade probably would have been sanctioned to drive out all the Muslims.
>>81302421
No problem, no offence intended.
It's not that hard to learn. Many letters are very similar to the latin letters, e.g. H, F, S, T, B and R.
The pic shows the old futhark
>>81302771
They're as legit as any modern pagan movement.
>>81302817
*Worldly idols
Sure; one should return to his root and not praise some nordic gay gods
>>81301409
why did your pagan gods create nigges
>>81302924
You are clearly retarded and should stay away from 4chan, seriously.
>>81302922
Do you even know about the giants, aka. the titans?
Trust me, they wasn't from southern Europe.
>>81303103
No answer?
Praise Kek
>>81303449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ87iWfJdpw
I suggest you watch this video
>>81303640
No no, i want an answer from you. Defend your beliefs, rather than hoping a feminised murderer to speak for you.
>>81301409
something came before pagans. someone had to think them up. just drop it all.
>>81303640
still does not explain why your pagan god would create niggers
All human religions/gods are illogical. We should not return to ancient beliefs even if they're more badass, we need something new that is based on at least plausible things.
Paganism may be
>>81303743
>>81304023
Almost none of the pagan religions have a book of beliefs let alone rules, time has not been kind to the old religions. Any answer you get is going to be some specific person's opinion or interpretation. All you're doing is scrutinizing him individually, so I'm not sure what sort of answer you expect.
As an example, some believe that European folk are descendant from their gods, while African folk are descended from their gods, etc. And that is based on almost nothing.
>>81304023
You Christians on /pol/ are such hypocrites. Christianity teaches you that humans are all equal but you are extremist racist, hilarious.
>>81302817
Literally worshipping the same fucking bullshit as Muslims and Jews. You just add Jesus to the mix and swap up a few things and all 3 of you have the gall to say your flavor of particular bullshit is the only correct one.
>>81304344
>so I'm not sure what sort of answer you expect.
Something that i can mock him for, because that belief is most assuredly based on, "My parents made me go to church one time, so now i blame Christianity for all my faults."
If he can't suffer scrutinisation, he deserves mockery.
>>81304364
>Christianity teaches you that humans are all equal
In the eyes of God. We're not God.
>>81303743
This man is able to look after a family without any of the state's help, he is more of a man than you can ever hope to be.
>>81304613
>This man is able to look after a family without any of the state's help,
As can i. As can most men. That's hardly a feat.
>he is more of a man than you can ever hope to be.
No, he gave that up when he took his wife's name.
>>81304577
But are you not taught that God is part of every human? What is the difference?
>>81301409
Yes. Christianity is a religion that teaches people to be weak and submissive. It teaches people to not stick up for themselves and improve their living conditions.
>>81302101
That's Elder Futhark. It would not have been used for Old Norse. It was used in Proto-Norse, though.
ᛘᛁᛅᛚᛁᛦ - This is what 'Mjǫllnir' would have looked like in Younger Futhark (what the Norse during the Viking Age used). Note the 'yr' or 'algiz' at the end of the word. The 'r' at the end of some words in were probably pronounced like a retroflex 'z' in Denmark and Sweden during the Viking Age (it ultimately came from Proto-Germanic 'z'), however the sound merged with 'r' in Norway and Iceland. Despite the merger, the differentiation between the two was maintained in Norway. 'Mjǫllnir' would have been pronounced something like 'Meldunjaz' in Proto-Germanic and would have been written in Elder Futhark thusly: ᛗᛖᛚᛞᚢᚾᛃᚨᛉ.
>>81304759
>Despite the merger, the differentiation between the two was maintained in in runic inscriptions Norway.*
>>81302878
It was literally formed by Alister Crowley you fucking retard,
>>81304160
The very word logic is a pagan concept.
>>81304734
Is your livelihood dependent on someone else paying you?
>>81304364
equality in the eyes of god does not mean physical equality
>>81305009
You are aware that most customs and festivities we celebrate today have a large pagan influence? Both Christmas and Easter have pagan origins.
>>81304759
>ᛘᛁᛅᛚᛁᛦ
I forgot a rune
ᛘᛁᛅᚾᛚᛁᛦ
>>81304746
That we're not God Himself. Duh.
>>81304919
>Gardner = Crowley
???
>>81305008
Livelihood? Yea, that's what a job is. My customers exchange money for goods and services. Doesn't have an impact on my farm being 95% self sufficient.
>>81305432
>Both Christmas and Easter have pagan origins.
Only in date.
Its a dead religion and no
>>81301409
Too nigger-tier
Do Christians here understand that the Old Testament is a collection of Hebrew pagan stories that were edited to make it look monotheistic by command of a Hebrew king (much like Akhenaten in Ancient Egypt).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis
>>81305432
and this is what it comes to, you do not really believe in paganism but instead you have a hatred for Christianity
>>81306445
>poorly documented conspiracy theories are all LARP-ers have against Christianity
Get civilised pagan
>>81305686
Educate yourself, Gardner took most of his magic crap from Crowley.
>>81306445
Yup. It's also why i think churches should include more than just what their version of the Bible has in sermons.
>>81306762
Your point? Crowley had his own club to remix into turd eaters. Gardner was the inventor of Wicca.
>>81301489
Yeah, nah, and I'm glad other Scandinavians realise this
Paganism is literally
>not like the other guys : THE RELIGION
>>81306696
>poorly documented conspiracy theory
The Documentary Hypothesis, despite its imperfections, is still taught at all serious Biblical studies classes to this very day. No serious Biblical scholar believes that the books of the Torah started out monotheistic.
>>81307086
So you think Christianity has been a jewish conspiracy to take over the West no?
>>81306870
> Gardner was the inventor of Wicca.
That's just disingenuous.
>>81307239
No. Nice attempt at an ad hominem, though.
>>81307765
It's not an ad hominem. If that's not what you're saying, it's a strawman
So what do you think about Christianity my fellow Nietzschean? Slave religion? God is dead? etc etc
>>81307654
Aight. Who did invent it, then?
Or are you claiming the "New Forest" people are the same?
Christianity in the west is pagan. They just stole pagan celebrations and pretended they were christian.
Halloween.
Summer Solstice
Christmas not actually Christian. Lol Jebus was born on the 25th. kek
Easter. Bunny and eggs. Both pagan symbols for spring. But muh saviour wuz reborn. kek
So Cuckstian.
>>81301409
Speaking as someone who has practiced Heathenism for 24 years:
No. Our tribalism-based religion just wouldn't work in the modern day if it was massively practiced across the west. It's fine if it's done in smaller groups, but on a grander scale it would just cause a huge mess due to population and separate ideas of frith. I'd explain further, but I think anyone who has ever went to a moot will understand, which unfortunately most of these so-called heathen folk probably haven't.
No. Neopaganism is for the mentally ill. It doesn't matter what you think about Jesus and Christianity, you can't get away from the fact that other Neopagans are few, far between and fucked in the head.
>>81308502
Disgrace to he flag
>>81308040
That question is disingenuous, he didn't "invent" something if he just threw a bunch of random shit together that he didn't make.
That's not an invention.
>>81301409
paganism is probably the religions most likely to bring about world peace. or at least end wars based upon religion. you don't have wars about religion until after the jew monotheism starts.
with paganism each local god can be made to be seen as similar to or just another manifestation of some other local god.
>>81308502
>They just stole pagan celebrations and pretended they were christian.
No, only the dates were stolen.
The egg thing isn't Christian, just commercialism.
>>81308712
Fair enough, but it's a bit semantic. It's from Gardner we have Wicca.
>>81301409
LEL nawh m8, unless you like being a degenerate?
>>81308902
>you don't have wars about religion until after the jew monotheism starts.
>(((American))) """"education"""
>>81308902
>paganism is probably the religions most likely to bring about world peace
See pic
>>81308939
Gardner and Crowley.
Anything involving Crowley is garbage, Wicca cannot be compared to Germanic paganism or Hinduism because of this.
>>81308673
Disgrace to our blood. Our ancestors must be despairing how cucked you are.
muh middle eastern religion
You actually believe God chose some shithole in the mid east to have a son? And not more advanced nations like China. He just skipped out Ancient Egypt for bants? hahahaahah
>>81309054
but were those deaths based upon war due to religious differences or just savages being savages?
i don't recall greeks starting wars to btfo other tribes because of differences in theology, instead it was because of empire, resources, etc.
>>81308939
The practices were stolen, the eggs of Easter, the Yule Tree of Christmas, the presents, the ornaments, May Day and the May Pole, flowers in the hair of little girls, all of that is Pagan.
>>81309267
>Gardner and Crowley.
If you're going to put in inspiration credits, there are dozens others, probably far more important than Ally.
>Anything involving Crowley is garbage, Wicca cannot be compared to Germanic paganism or Hinduism because of this.
Absolutely agreed, old boy.
>>81309394
>Disgrace to our blood.
Our blood have been Christian for over 1700 years, though.
>You actually believe God chose some shithole in the mid east to have a son?
Worked out, didn't it?
>>81309402
>but were those deaths based upon war due to religious differences
Maybe not those, but the Romans did that.
>>81309415
I agree. Well, not the presents, but most of the rest.
You're still missing the point, though.
>>81309722
the romans fought wars based upon religion? any ones in particular? i can't think of any that were based on btfo some tribe because they had different gods. Caesar even write about how the gods of the Gauls were just different names for the Roman gods. That was pretty common practice.
>>81309722
More like 1300 and for most people much less than that. The common people had no access to churches in poor areas and couldn't read. The whole Church in the middle ages was a money making scheme. Brb give us money and you'll go to heaven/your crimes are forgiven. Not a very good example to set.
>>81301409
Weak.
>>81309877
>the romans fought wars based upon religion?
They executed people for being of the wrong faith, which could be disruptive to the empire.
>>81310014
>More like 1300
Oh right, I thought you were English. The Celtic people were Christian as long as the Romans (for obvious reasons), and there's some debated evidence of it spreading to Britain somewhat before Constantine's conversion.
The rest of your post isn't really applicable.
If you follow a religion only because your ancestors did that's the definition of cuck.
>>81310305
fair enough. but wasn't it more that they executed persons if they failed to do their civic duty in terms of religion? so long as you made your offer at the temple, you could believe privately whatever the fuck you wanted. there weren't purity tests. you would get yourself fucked if you started saying that only your god was the true god etc. cf jews and christians.
>>81301409
What I hate about pagan cucks like Varg is that they are so low energy. He always tells us to stop intervening in the world and to do what he does and be a home body and wank our own culture all day, but our ancestors didnt literally just sit in europe, we also controlled a lot more land in the stone age, we have migrated to where we live these days..
not only that, but vikings, colonialists, romans, germanic tribes, all sorts of europeans went on huge migrations to expand their world/area of control..the vikings even went to america multiple times..
in fact europeans might have even lived in the americas if you follow the solutrean hypothesis explanation for the clovis culture..also eastern asian groups that migrated through siberia into america were like over a 1/4 'european' during the time humans went into america, yet so many people who are pagans shit on exploration, conquest and migration...I'm not saying to just be a cold blooded savage throughout the world, but still I think people romanticize our ancestors and imagine european pagans as people living in a quiet, conservative utopia(it still pretty much was in my mind)
Even ancient native american myths tell about whole stories related to people who sound like europeans, and look at those giant statues on easter island, its like european faces, european hair colors, and symbolism from places like gobekli tepe carved on their backs
imo, europeans are meant to expand not saying all pagans feel opposite because i know its not true, but countless neopagans just act like varg and his minions and think we should be stone age cave dwellers...imo, he is doing the work of the jews for them
>>81310371
>You're a cuck to your ancestors
>>81310658
>but wasn't it more that they executed persons if they failed to do their civic duty in terms of religion?
It's still like thought crime, and being executed for the wrong religion.
>>81310889
fair enough point.
on a different note, i like some paganism because even the gods don't know how they got here and are searching for truth, see Odin and the well.
>>81311093
I like that too, but it doesn't really make much sense for a God to be like that. Just a powerful dude there.
>>81301409
If you're Catholic you are a pagan.
Wrote my anthropology BA dissertation on Celtic Neo-Paganism
Ask me anything
>>81311351
Did you have to subject yourself to the sads who gather at Stonehenge?
>>81308011
I said attempt. If I were to say 'yes' then you would have responded with an ad hominem attack.
I think Christianity was just an apocalyptic Jewish cult.
>>81311192
it doesn't make sense if what we think of as god is the abrahamic versions that are all knowing and have been around forever and created everything.
most 'gods' were themselves created, have limited knowledge and powers, some aren't even immortal. they are different type of beings that exist above humans. but these types of gods aren't very logical, in that they don't make sense.
nice chatting anon bro. off to be a degenerate and chase pussy.
>>81301409
Vili and Ve fucked Odin wife, so is a religion for cuckold
>>81311351
Is any of it anything other than bollocks?
>>81311257
this is pretty much the main reason that i still consider myself catholic.
catholicism has more to do with greek-roman mystery religions than desert jew stuff
I believe in the Holy Trinity, which is greater than any of those gay nordic gods.
>>81311623
>most 'gods' were themselves created
That's my point. If they were created, then they aren't Gods, whatever created them probably is. Like in Druidism with The Dagda, or Vishnu in Hinduism.
>off to be a degenerate and chase pussy
Best of luck, old boy. Have fun.
>>81301409
>should Europeans return to their ancestral roots
Up north, in the Nordic countries. The rest can stay Christian
>>81311810
so zeus wasn't a god because he was created?
take care anon. enjoy the weekend happenings to come.
>>81301409
Neo Paganism is marxist multiethnic degeneracy to stop Europeans waking up. Its as bad a Christianity which subverts us or islam, the false red pill religion.
The true red pill reglion is the religion of the blood, of the worship of Europeans as decendants of the Gods and of the incoming ceasarism.
Give it time.
>>81301409
fags
>>81311552
Not as a collective but I did interview a friend of a friend who considers themselves a Pagan and goes to Stonehenge
At the outset I thought it might have been some genuine belief. But from seeing her (stereotypical tumblr-looking person, problem classes, bright pink hair, overweight) and from talking to her and gleaning some personal information (said she was pansexual and genderfluid was a cutter, daddy issues, habitual drug use) and information about why she believes in Paganism (they're just so much more accepting maaaaan, reeeeee I hate Christianity crusades inquisition, etc.) I think it was just an adolescent rebellious phase
>>81311710
In the end I decided no. It's kind of a phantom religion. People claim to believe in it but there's no theology or philosophy to it and most Pagans are pretty ignorant even about the legends and stories of their faith.
It came down to wanting to feel a sense of religiosity and belonging. Pagans are spiritually lazy. They don't want to change themselves to be better people, but do want to say they have a religion.
>>81312130
>so zeus wasn't a god because he was created?
No, just a powerful dude with mad skillz, and a penchant for livestock.
Aether or Nyx are closer to being the true Gods of that religion.
>>81312412
Sounds about right. Did you find any true believers? Or people closer to what it should be?
>>81301409
Impossible, literally impossible.
It has never happened before in the history of the world that a dead religion was seriously revived, just for some political implications.
Trying to revive paganism, a dead religion, would just result in a bunch of hippies and new age fools turning to it. (Which has actually happened already)
>>81311351
I know almost nothing about Celtic paganism. What's a good place for someone who just wants to know more about the ancient Celts. I hear most of our info about the Celtic gods and myths were preserved by Irish monks.
>>81302466
If only you knew...
>>81312529
thanks. will look up/read more on this.
>>81302466
>Thor
>blond hair
Pic related.
Shintoism is based it's basically Japanese Nazism
they believe that the Japanese are a superior race than all others
>>81312529
Eh. I'd like to say that I did, but no. I don't think there are any genuine pagans in the world today, at least not Celtic ones. It just boils down to wanting a religion with no obligations. Half the people I spoke to about it outright said they didn't believe in any gods. Some people wanted to just stick it to Christianity, some people said "it was more about the spirituality", some people just liked the cool stories, and some people were really racist. Not /pol/ racist, like actually racist.
But no, I don't think there are any actual Celtic Pagans. We have nowhere near enough information about the Celtic religion to inspire any sort of belief. There isn't even a codified pantheon to believe in.
>>81312560
Start with these books:
T.F. O'Rahilly, Early Irish History and Mythology (1946)
Daithi Ó hOgain, "Myth, Legend and Romance: An Encyclopedia of the Irish Folk Tradition" (1991)
I'm an agnostic sympathetic to paganism but I just cant take it seriously, it really does seem like nothing but LARPing
>>81313079
A yes, Charlemagne dispatching monks with soldiers guarding him to destroy native Germanic culture and executing all those who revert back to their ancestral ways.
>>81301700
it passed on roman traditions and helped european king fend of forign invadors also it gave sense of unity in europe while adopting specific traditions of each nation
The Throne is Empty, who cares?
>>81313509
Thank you.
>>81313509
Ah well, bummer.
I'm a member of several Druidic and Celtic pagan groups, and yea, pretty much all like you describe.
>>81313585
>it passed on roman traditions
This is seriously the only benefit from the Christianization of Europe. The Romanization of Europe.
>>81314066
Just that? Not the common factors? The monasteries? The law? The monotheism?
>>81314066
It was also very important to stop the breach of islam into europe whos teocracy would probably destroy develeopment as it did in the east
>>81313079
>this kills the Saxon man.
>>81313509
It's essentially another name swapped Hellenism from the looks of it, and if Julius Caesar an be believed.
And in the Ulster Cycle they talk about sharing ancestors with the Greeks.
I'm also pretty sure King Arthur and his knights are extremely bastardized remnants of the celtic gods rather than straight up psuedo historical figures.
>>81312529
>Nyx or aether being the true gods
No way. Only the chasm wasn't born. Nyx wasn't even the first born, and Aether isn't even first generation.
>>81311810
Your actually raising the definition of god rather than us lowering it. god was the name of the norse gods. Yahweh was Elohim, which the editors forgot was the plural of El, which leads to bits in the bible where he says stuff like. 'I am the only gods' though I suppose you could argue trinity mumbo jumbo.
>>81311192
You miss understand what they are. It isn't a dude controlling a concept, its a concept taking human form.
>>81312545
Which is a shame because the pagan myths don't share all the bullshit that disproves the Abrahamic Mythos.
I also seriously recommend comparing the Hellenistic creation myth to the evidence based theories about the nature of the early universe. You might be surprised.
The Hermetic Emerald Tablet is also interesting, though there's loads of fake stuff about that. If someone starts talking about Thoth the Atlantian wizard or whatever, they're talking a load of shit
>>81314066
Europe was Rome, it was already Rome.
People living in the capital were not the only Roman citizens.
>>81317477
>No way. Only the chasm wasn't born. Nyx wasn't even the first born, and Aether isn't even first generation.
Sorry, was just going from memory. Thought one of them was the equivalent of Brahmin.
>It isn't a dude controlling a concept, its a concept taking human form.
Aye, but that isn't a God then. If it's not omnipresent/omniscient/omnipotent, then it's not God. Just a somewhat more powerful dude.
>>81317477
Hit post too soon.
>I'm also pretty sure King Arthur and his knights are extremely bastardized remnants of the celtic gods rather than straight up psuedo historical figures.
Depends which version you take from. Later ones more so.
>I suppose you could argue trinity mumbo jumbo.
I think it's more to do with God being all. So it's like the royal "we", in that the plural is honourific.
>>81319329
That's raising the definition of god though. You don't have to be all these self contradicting omnis to be a god, you just have to be deified.
>>81320687
It's making it more logical. At best, you're describing a Demi-God. Hell, Pharaohs were deified, do they qualify? If yes, then we need a better word for a true concept of an omni-God.
>>81309722
You're missing the point, Yule predates Christmas.
>>81322327
Maybe. But otherwise yea, i agree. What's your point?
>>81321027
A god doesn't have to be omni.
A demigod is a deified human, often later said to have been descended from a god, or just a straight up human-god hybrid.
Just call Yahweh, Yahweh. Though he wasn't all this stuff at first either he was just the national war god of Isreal and Judah.
>>81301409
No, because all we really know about them was what some Christian monks decided to write down several centuries after the culture was already gone.
Returning to this bastardized image of them would be shameful.
Fact: 99% of "Celtic pagans" are American or English.
>>81323093
No shit
>>81322439
>A god doesn't have to be omni.
Then it's not a God.
>Just call Yahweh, Yahweh.
Not the only monotheistic religion, brah. Vishnu is omni, as is Ahura Mazda,
It is projected that Wicca will become the 3rd most popular religion in the US after Islam and Christianity. Everyone I know who toyed with Wicca in high school was an edgy loser; ergo it seems to me that the general attraction is preying on the easy meat.
Hillary Clinton, being from the Rodham family, is a very high level witch. Think that one over. People of any alleged faith can be liars and psychopaths, but which faiths say to never get mixed up with demons?
>>81302817
>If they were still heavily Christian another Crusade probably would have been sanctioned to drive out all the Muslims.
In 400 years maybe.
>>81314476
>Not the common factors?
That's a myth. Christians in Hispania fought for Muslim leaders and vice versa. France sided with the Ottomans.
>monasteries
Money making schemes.
>law
Already in Roman society long before Christianity.
>monotheism
Literally nothing.
>>81317655
Northern Europe wasn't included within the Roman Empire.
>>81313079
Good thing we now have HD cameras to document the destruction of places of worship.
check out hilmar orn hilmarsson in Iceland.
highest ranking member currently in norse paganism or asatru.
interesting stuff. much of the icelandic asatru's beliefs are based around self-sufficiency and independence. They view their gods as mortal, and don't worship them in the way Abrahamic religions worship.
Rather, they read stories and try to live morally, without a written "code" deemed perfect by a prophet.
>>81324099
>That's a myth.
There weren't Christians in Europe trading with each other, and not pagans? That's news. Surprising Scandinavia converted, then.
>Money making schemes.
>monasteries
Specifically no. Catholic churches, maybe, but monasteries were places of spartan stoicism and just schools.
>Already in Roman society long before Christianity.
Yea, Roman society. The rest of Europe being de-paganised meant getting better laws, like not sacrificing themselves.
>Literally nothing.
>monotheism
It's a step on the scientific ladder to be able to say that the sound of thunder isn't due to Thor, or that grass only grows around the Fae.
>>81322969
We have primary sources for the main ones.
>>81323279
Yes it is, again you are raising the definition.
Call Yahweh, Yahweh.
Call Vishnu, Vishnu (though hinduism has other gods called gods dipshit)
Call Ahura Mazda, Ahura Mazda (though he definitely isn't omni)
>>81324292
pic related.
>>81301409
i am founding one as we speak
>>81324897
>Call Yahweh, Yahweh.
>Call Vishnu, Vishnu
>Call Ahura Mazda, Ahura Mazda
Aight, but what would you call them collectively?
>(though hinduism has other gods called gods dipshit)
Not according to Hinduism. Specifically Krishna/Vishnu, who says in the Bhagavad Gita (9:20 or something?) that prayers to other Gods all go to Him, because those Gods are just how people interpret aspects of Him.
>>81324897
Your pic proves my point.
>>81324725
Scandinavia converted due to Scandi leaders forcing their subjects to convert, much like the other Germanic tribes.
Monasteries were always money-making schemes, especially in Orthodox Christianity. Have you ever been to an Orthodox country before?
Romans outlawed sacrifices long before the empire adopted Christianity.
The Catholic Church suppressed scientific knowledge about the heliocentricity. Christian natural philosophy was based off of Aristotle - a pagan.
Sorry, but your Jewish apocalyptic cult really didn't do anything for Europe.
>>81301409
retarded shit
I am at a Pagan Festival today, AMA
>>81325923
>Scandinavia converted due to Scandi leaders forcing their subjects to convert
And why did they convert?
>Have you ever been to an Orthodox country before?
No, i thought we were talking about Europe. Ie. where monasteries were really quite important in keeping knowledge around and transmitting it.
>The Catholic Church suppressed scientific knowledge about the heliocentricity.
I'll give you one point for that.
>Christian natural philosophy was based off of Aristotle - a pagan.
So? What has that got to do with anything?
>Sorry, but your Jewish apocalyptic cult really didn't do anything for Europe.
First of all
>Jewish
It's Roman. Especially in the west. Secondly, it kept Europe out of a Dark Age, and kept Europe being overrun by Muslims. It also founded quite a few renaissances.
>>81301409
Pagans are retarded.
http://www.amerika.org/texts/against-the-neo-pagans-julius-evola/
>>81324897
Though I've just noticed on that map is using the modern Scottish border.
>>81325442
Call them all powerful gods, omni-gods, whatever.
They still call the other gods, gods though, because being omniwhatever isn't a requirement to be a god.
>>81325923
Then you're moving goalposts. Nothing that I said was incorrect.
And Scandinavia was still pagan for the vast majority of the middle/dark ages
>>81326286
Watch out for the lightning bolt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw
>>81326293
>It kept Europe out of a Dark Age.
Top kek, it plunged them into one.
Go on I know your going to get out a load of info-graphs about the flowering renaissance in the high middle ages as if that proves anything.
>>81301409
Sure, it was a lot better than christcuckoldry. Christanity is a semitic religion that comes from the desert and teaches all the humanist pussy bullshit that /pol/ claims to be against.
>>81301882
Your kind will be dealt with on the day of the croak.
>>81326916
Sadly it is not medieval roleplay, but instead a bunch of 40 year olds praising a fire and throwing homemade mead into a fire
>>81326758
>They still call the other gods, gods though, because being omniwhatever isn't a requirement to be a god.
I'm normally not pleased about times when language changes, but i think in this situation, it's for the better.
>>81327198
>Top kek, it plunged them into one.
Sorry bro, this thread is for people who are historically literate.
>Go on I know your going to get out a load of info-graphs about the flowering renaissance in the high middle ages as if that proves anything.
It'd do the job, but no. The main point is that it was the Christian monasteries which preserved the recorded knowledge, advanced on it, and spread it to the people.
Any half-wit knows there was never a Dark Age. The term was fabricated in the 16thC.
The only thing to happen after the fall of Rome was that West Rome turned into a bunch of kingdoms for a while.
>>81327420
>throwing homemade mead into a fire
>not drinking it
What a fucking waste.
>>81327420
>wasting drinkable alcohol
>>81301700
>What are the crusades
Crimany man. Christianity alone was able to unite all of Europe into one fighting force to counter the mudslimes.
Without it, Europe would still be a caliphate. You'll notice that it wasn't until Christianity was crapped on that Europe started turning into a caliphate.
>>81327684
This is how we know Christianity is objectively better. We drink the alcohol and call it the blood of Christ and Holy Communion.
>>81301409
>What does /pol/ think of Paganism?
paganism in europe is dead, and has been dead for over a thousand years.
not a single actual european exists today. neo-pagans are trash who don't actually believe in any of the things they do, they just wear tho old pagan religion as a badge of identity.
using pagan imagery is popular among certain right-wingers and some metalheads. parts of the NSDAP were also really into this stuff. but none of them actually take the paganist shit seriously, they just use the imagery because it represents ancient european tradition.
>>81326286
If you're not /fit/ and ethnically related to that specific pagan group, you can kindly suck a dick faggot.
IF you're all of the above, then cool story bruh. How is it?
Proud Odinist here. My father was an Odinist, my grandfather was an Odinist, and my great grandfather was an Odinist.
Christianity was the first wave of shitskin middle-eastern religions tearing through Europe leaving a trail of violence and shattered the fabric of Europe. Islam is currently the second wave.
If you are proud to be white and proud of your European ancestry, being Christian is the most hypocritical, anti-white thing you can do.
>>81301409
Some have returned to ásatrú. Varg Vikernes is an example of an actual heathen, I do believe, as an example. He has a farm for a reason, I'm sure he is actually bloting.
Have some the old forbidden songs, actual stanzas from völuspá and hávamál.
völuspá verse, yggdrasil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-YCtdu7gAM
connect with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gKW1R6mCH4&feature=youtu.be&t=51
Pump! Connected Hávamál stanzas, this is shit you should feel deep there in your bones englishman... Something primal, a chill down your spine. Like when an animal wakes you when staring at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwAr6ciwoUg
völuspá verses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbT8vzX4sZY&feature=youtu.be&t=180
A retelling of Stamford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0zGo122vMY
Gange Rolv/Rollo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414mrPgK5Yk
>A reminder that we sacked christianity before and killed the bishop, latest was in Greenland in the 1300ds
>>81310746
The thing about Varg is he has to watch what he says or he'll get thrown in jail.
>>81328157
>Christianity was the first wave of shitskin middle-eastern religions tearing through Europe leaving a trail of violence and shattered the fabric of Europe.
What exactly do you think Christianity did to "shatter the fabric" of Europe? Bearing in mind that prior to Christianity, Rome was the only decent place there. There was no Odinist empire, or advancements.
>>81327535
>It wasn't dark age
>It just caused complete collapse
And set lots of books, buildings and people on fire and temporarily lost loads of knowledge. And had good amount of petty wars over nothing in particular.
And it isn't a language change, being a god still doesn't require you to be omniwhatever. Its just you being a goalpost moving revisionist.
>>81327684
It's mostly drank, along with some scotch and wine
>>81327789
It's for the gods, friend. We pour some Corona in a glass for the things and attitudes we don't want in the fire circle. We have some to open up the earth to meet with the dead, Earth Mother, and our gods. And about 5 shots on average of scotch for whatever gods need to be praised this month.
>>81326916
cringe master
>>81328745
>open up the earth to meet with the dead
wew why do you need to meet with the dead?
also why do you believe the dead to be inside the earth and how did they get there?
But at least if you're drinking I can trust you (reformed alcoholics excluded from this test of course).
>>81328718
>It just caused complete collapse
It did? Where? Surely you're not referring to Rome being conquered by outside forces due to internal corruption and an unwillingness to pay armies or mercenaries?
>And set lots of books, buildings and people on fire and temporarily lost loads of knowledge.
Again, where was this?
>And had good amount of petty wars over nothing in particular.
That's not exclusive to anyone.
>being a god still doesn't require you to be omniwhatever.
If you believe so. It does however mean that your definition of "gods" aren't really much chock, and only "Omni-Gods" are worth paying attention to.
>>81328687
Yes goy, the odinist Nordics were filthy savages no different than Africans with their sticks and stones, goy. It wasn't until the middle-eastern kangz came and gave them christianity, goy. Doubt your white heritage.
>>81327914
How about you just drink alcohol with out LARPing as a cannibal, buddy?
>>81329260
I actually don't drink the wine because it's socially awkward and like kissing 100 strangers in my mind.
It's funny though because the eucharistic ministers get to know who takes a polite sip and who always takes a good chug.
>>81329214
>Yes goy, the odinist Nordics were filthy savages no different than Africans with their sticks and stones, goy
Were they not? You can't exactly put them on par with Greece, Rome, Persia, or even further East. Hell, it wasn't until about six hundred years ago that they even started to catch up to glorious Albion.
>>81329488
As far as I know it's not clear because they don't have a lot of cave paintings or rune stones during the time when literacy was being spread elsewhere.
>>81328091
Everyone here is white, although I am fit most of the group here is not. I'm just here to hang out with my family and camp for 4 days, not really affiliated with the group in any way.
>>81329063
You meet with the dead to be able to be able to meet with lost ones, to try to reconnect with them and for them to let you know it's all right.
>>81329260
>LARPing as a cannibal
Wut.
>>81329655
Does that not say enough about them?
>>81326293
>And why did they convert?
To not die.
>No, i thought we were talking about Europe. Ie. where monasteries were really quite important in keeping knowledge around and transmitting it.
Some individual monks chose to do that. I have to remind you that the pagan world had gigantic libraries and Christians most likely destroyed the largest one in Alexandria.
>So? What has that got to do with anything?
Monotheism didn't aid science or scientific inquiry.
>It's Roman
The Bible is Jewish. Monotheism is Jewish. Jesus was a Jew. All of the apostles were Jewish, including Saul.
>it kept Europe out of a Dark Age
Debatable considering the fact that Christians destroyed many works that the Church disagreed with (see: Charlemagne) and burnt down the Library of Alexandria.
>nd kept Europe being overrun by Muslims.
No it didn't. Like what I said before, Christians fought for Muslim rulers in Hispania and vice versa. Ottomans received plenty of support from Christian nations.
>It also founded quite a few renaissances.
kek. Christianity didn't "found" any renaissances.
>>81301409
Yes
>>81301409
I thought you guys were into the kek stuff or whatever it was.
I'm atheist, could care less what others believe. Most whites are the same way, and I think that is probably the best way to be.
>>81329488
They weren't savages by any means. Ironically, Nordics were some of the tidiest and most hygienic people in Europe at the time when Christianity was just down south. A lot of Christian groups thought washing yourself was taboo and thus a large amount of Christians smelled like sweat and piss.
Nordics valued bathing multiple times a day and the concept of "spring cleaning" comes from the Nordics.
>>81329108
Omni gods are self contradictory. Go and masturbate over power levels somewhere else.
>Outside forces
and who were those outside forces? Do you think they just went away afterwords?
Do you even know how long it was in between the Constanine forcing Christianity and then running away from the mess he made to 'Nuevo Rome'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
>paganism
What, are you twelve and hate your parents for taking you on Sundays to church?
>>81329843
>You meet with the dead to be able to be able to meet with lost ones, to try to reconnect with them and for them to let you know it's all right.
Interesting. But why do you believe them to be in the earth and how did they get there?
The narrative is always that Christianity is all corruptified because it compromised with Pagan beliefs in order to convert. So I think it's especially interesting to examine the commonalities.
>>81329930
Do you think he's christcuck?
>>81329875
Eating the body and drinking the blood of some Jew is cannibalism, buddy.
>>81330022
That's great man. But what does that have to do with believing in Thor or whatever?
I actually used to support pagans over Christians. But when I realized it was just pointless status signalling about who is more authentically white or whatever.
>>81330022
Also, Christians in Danish England detested the cleanliness of the Vikings because Christian princesses couldn't resist fucking them.
>>81328619
Contradictory picture. Snorre was a Christian, pretty much doing what Shakespeare did centuries later; using old myths to retell stories.
>>81330088
Remember to give lots of shekels to the priest so he can buy that Lamborghini, goy meu.
>>81330088
It might be hard to comprehend but you can dislike Christianity for internal factors.
>>81330514
Odinist beliefs are very different from Christian beliefs.
Odinists don't "worship" gods. They just apply deities to phenomena observed in nature. Whereas Christians build their identity around being religious to go to an afterlife, Odinists build their identity upon being strong and relying on themselves and their families to go to an afterlife.
>>81330138
I am not the one to ask. As I said at the answer above yours, I am not really affiliated in this group in any way, I just wanted to camp with my family for a few days. You could, however, go on the ADF ( A Druid Fellowship) site and ask over there.
its larping of the highest order and just a way for atheists to feel superior
>>81330705
Again, you are not giving arguments as why to convert to neopaganism. There is no argument as to why neopaganism is good, only why Christianity is worse. Kind of like the Never Trump movement, they said Trump was bad, but never argued on behalf of their candidate.
Further proof of my original theory that neopaganism is only status signaling and not much else.
>>81330951
>druids
>runes
wut
>>81330951
kek is there actually some jew in America selling bags of runes?
>>81331017
>implying I'm trying to convert you to neopaganism
>implying that I'm a neopagan
>>81329930
>To not die.
At whose hand? They weren't exactly getting invaded at the time.
>Some individual monks chose to do that.
Because that was the job of the monasteries. Are you just ignoring the essentially university type structure of Ireland being responsible for civilising Germany?
>I have to remind you that the pagan world had gigantic libraries and Christians most likely destroyed the largest one in Alexandria.
Except not, and it had already been destroyed several times before.
>Monotheism didn't aid science or scientific inquiry.
Again, it does when you're not explaining things away as Gods of assorted items.
>The Bible is Jewish.
The OT is. The NT obviously isn't.
>Monotheism is Jewish.
Google Zoroastrianism and Atenism.
>Jesus was a Jew.
God has no religion, and He told the Jews to sod off.
>All of the apostles were Jewish, including Saul.
Simon wasn't.
>Debatable considering the fact that Christians destroyed many works that the Church disagreed with (see: Charlemagne)
Not a whole lot. Hell, Christianity was the biggest sufferer there with lost books of the Bible. Everyone wanted sciencey stuff for their own benefits.
>and burnt down the Library of Alexandria.
Again, not really.
>No it didn't.
Tours and the Reconquista. Your points aren't relevant.
>Christianity didn't "found" any renaissances.
Shocked that you don't know about the Carolignian, Ottonian, and whatever the one after that but before the 16thC is called.
>>81330022
They were a bit tidy is good enough reason for them to fall behind the rest of Europe technologically? And the washing thing was later, and only in regards to excessive washing, since most peoples believed disease was transmitted through foul smells, so they tried to keep things clean.
>>81330046
>Omni gods are self contradictory.
How?
>and who were those outside forces?
Vandals, Goths, Huns. Do you really not know what happened to them or how they kicked the shit out of Rome?
They only way forward to to forge a new god
modern pagans are delusional
>>81331261
So you don't want people to convert to neopaganism, you just want them to deconvert from Christianity?
>>81301409
Native European religions have been gone too long. There's nothing there to revive.
That means you have to make up something new, and when you slap old gods on it it just looks LARPy.
Christianity has a legitimacy in my mind that I can't fully explain.
At this point I'd go with anything that would work against the juden.
>>81330835
But those natural phenomena are explained by science. We know now that Zeus is not in control of the lightning, Poseidon does not control the seas, etc.
Do you believe those gods exist even if you don't worship? And if they don't exist then how could you know of an afterlife?
It seems to me you are more interested in the return of masculinity and a sense of community rather than a religion based on your comment.
>>81330315
I'm sure it is. But that has no bearing on taking in the Spirit of God through sustenance. Or are you stupid enough to be a literalist?
>>81331532
This.
>>81328157
Any other argument beside muh religion is white and others aren't?
>>81331236
And bags of "rare earth"
>>81331084
They put them in a bag, shake them around, and pull out 3 of them. One from the ancestors, one from all the gods and goddesses and one from the specific God they are worshipping. Each rune is an omen, sometimes good sometimes bad.
>>81331236
Americans are a very gullible people who have lost their sense of identity. That is why you hear white Americans talk about how they are "German" or "Irish". At one point, the Christian denomination you belonged to had ethnic implications, Germans were Lutheran, Italians were Catholic, British were Episcopalian, etc.
I think our melting pot society has failed and left us all without identity. This neopaganism and ethnic identifiers is a way to attempt to reclaim that identity.
>>81331423
I want Christcucks to understand that Christianity is an apocalyptic Jewish cult. I'd also like for them to understand that the Torah (without Genesis, Christianity means nothing) originally started out as a pagan text until it was edited by a monotheistic Jewish king in the 7th (?) century BCE. All serious Biblical scholars acknowledge this.
>>81330680
Indeed he was, and he even built his work done by Are the priest, Íslendingabok. Are grew up with a very wise man who lived at the time of Harald Hardråde whoe fell in 1066.
The christians where trying to wipe out all traces of both culture and history, these heroes wrote this book from the poems one sung as passtime, waring or whatever.
Many of the other sagas, one doesn't even know the author off. As the church was not happy with these matters.
Thank you all, christians or not, they managed to preserve both history and a lot of the lore.
>Lit don't judge the book by it's cover
kek, read it. The full story is in the disclaimer the two first pages. I can't into that now, as I have to go shower and people waiting at me at party and shit...
But yes thank you based Snorri,Ari and all others who did this.
>Gets attacked at home, fighting as always kek, don't remember reason
>Gets arrow in heart
>Pulls it out
>Goes writes his final words/poem
>"Oh I see I have lived a good life, as I do have fat around the heart root"
something like that
>>81331849
I think this is a good point, and as I originally said it all comes back to 1. reclaiming a lost identity and 2. status signaling that identity.
When you ask pagans about their gods, they will often say something very vague like >>81330835, which while it looks interesting is not really saying anything.
It really is a rebellion against Christianity because it blames Christianity for the loss of identity. However, the loss of American identity is not due to religion, but due to mass immigration and the atomization of society.
>>81331295
>They were a bit tidy is good enough reason for them to fall behind the rest of Europe technologically? And the washing thing was later, and only in regards to excessive washing, since most peoples believed disease was transmitted through foul smells, so they tried to keep things clean.
The Nordics didn't really believe that civilization had to be built around convenience and technology. For what it's worth, Nordic technology was designed mostly to be practical and be just good enough to get the job done. Their architecture wasn't as marvelous to look at but in a lot of ways it's more practical than a lot of architecture to the empires down south.
Nordic settlements never really grew large like settlements down south because it's far easier to sustain a close knit community where everybody knew and relied on eachother than a large city. The human brain at average can only remember up to 125 people at a given time clearly (which was about the size of the average Nordic settlement.) When settlements populations grew too large, half of the settlement would split up and form a new settlement, and every few months the settlements would gather, exchange information. Because of this, Nordics hardly fought among eachother because they had kin in multiple settlements.
>>81331633
Odinism in a lot of ways is more focused on the people and culture surrounding it than the gods, even thousands of years ago. Whereas Abrahamic religions build their entire ideologies around faith, the Odinists didn't. They were akin to legends. You could even say that Odinist gods were early ways at explaining things scientifically in a sense.
>According to Abrahamic religions, the ocean has waves because god just says so
>According to Odinists, the ocean has waves because a god at the bottom of the ocean is waving his hands around and displacing the water
Both make no sense, but you can see one is "It works because it just works", and one has a basic understanding of how waves work..
>>81332157
>without Genesis, Christianity means nothing
Kinda does. I mean, in Christianity a few people would argue that Christ is the central figure.
>>81332427
>The Nordics didn't really believe that civilization had to be built around convenience and technology. For what it's worth, Nordic technology was designed mostly to be practical and be just good enough to get the job done.
Much like in Africa? Subsistence isn't admirable.
>>81331646
The Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, and Orthodox Churches are literalists when it comes to the Eucharist. The Reformed Churches are not.
>>81332546
Africa wasn't practical. You're comparing negros with sticks and stones and mud huts to white men with wooden architecture, developed weapons and infrastructure.
>>81332721
And yet both got rich selling conquered slaves to the Muslims.
I don't know why you're all getting so adversarial about things. It's interesting to watch who spends time denouncing the evil and who spends time praising the good.
>>81332427
>According to Abrahamic religions, the ocean has waves because god just says so
Actually it's more to do with God basically writing the rulebook on how the physical universe acts. So yea, it's a bit of "Because God says so" combined with, "and this is what He specifically says about it."
>>81332563
Aye, and they're just as stupid for it. They've missed the forest for the trees.
>>81332721
>Africa wasn't practical.
It really was. Like you say, they used just what they had to to get along. Their colouring is irrelevant.
>>81332546
What would be the purpose of Christ's sacrifice if we were not born with original sin inherited from Adam and Eve? A non-literal interpretation of Genesis pretty much destroys the purpose of Christ.
>>81301409
Why are Australians such chtistcucks? Must be that hot Sun frying their brains.
Many customs here were never killed either, they were adopted and some christian excuse was made as a compromise.
>Light it boys, it's still Sólmánaður/Sunmonth the very end of it
>Light Baldurs Bonefire!
>Light it for the season
You should really have started 20th of june but it's still ok if you are fast. Sun month lasts 28 days.
Now I got to go, maybe I'll find some potatoniggers or shitskins to capture as trælls...
nah one could hope
hitting showr
>>81333115
>What would be the purpose of Christ's sacrifice if we were not born with original sin inherited from Adam and Eve?
For all our other sins? Original Sin is pretty sketchy since it's basically Sins of the Father.
It's a great thing for the Vatican to push, since it means returning customers, but to interpret it with the rest of the Bible makes it not stack up.
>>81301409
How does someone even practice paganism? Are you talking norse mythology?
I am an atheist, yet I still go to catholic church because its my culture.
>>81301409
Yes because they have much needed vital lessons, believing it as the truth though would be stupid
>>81331295
Because you can't be infinitely whatever and still have agency.
And it brings up millions of paradoxes, as well as the fact the biblical Yahweh is clearly not omni whatever, he just claims he is.
>Do you really not know what happened to them or how they kicked the shit out of Rome?
Yes I do, but you clearly don't.
>The new testament isn't Jewish
>God has no religion
what?
>Zoroastrianism
It isn't Jewish Monotheism. Their god wasn't omniwhatever
>Atenism
Isn't monotheist.
>>81331318
That's silly, it would have no credibility.
>>81331633
You don't understand what the gods are. They are not dudes controlling concepts, they are the concepts themselves described as persons.
>>81329063
The dead are in the earth because we put them there.
Have you ever been to a funeral?
>>81335250
Gravity and nature dictates that they're going to wind up being part of the Earth's crust whether we take the trouble to bury them or not. The only alternative would be to launch them into space.
I'm just wondering if there's more to it than practical sanitary necessity and tautology. Some people thing, for instance, that there's something not so good deep in the Earth for whatever reason.
>>81331875
lel they'll find a way to destroy paganism too
not that I had much hopes in it but as far as I know one of the main reason for the revival of it is because Christianity have no mysticism and too many arbitrary rules.
the only way to revive it is to live it, everyday. not just on weekends, then suddenly it will be just another religion where you meet up on Sundays to do a blot and everyone have to do this and that and believe in this. also don't forget to buy the official sanctioned runes and dirt for your weekend rituals.
>>81331911
