Why do Eastern European and Balkan countries hate Russia so much?
>>80962687
Decades of Russian rule.
>>80962687
Because it occupied us for 50 years, making us puppet states and ensuring we miss out on the post-war recovery that the rest of Europe experienced.
Similar with the Ottoman empire on the Balkans, people hate Turkey because due to their occupation we missed out on enlightenment, renaissance, colonization, industrialization, reformation, etc.
>>80962687
here people usually associate russia with communism. And communism fucked us really bad.
>>80962933
Would fascism have been better if hitler won?
>>80962933
>>80962858
If you had to choose between being a Russian puppet or being raped by a mulitcultural EU superstate what would you choose?
Hypothetically of course, naturally I'd like to see you not have to associate with either.
>>80962687
Because if cykas get together in a large quantity they become niggers and organize like niggers, the only reason they're a threat is because they're disposable to their government and they just zerg rush you. Same shit can be observed in day to day life. Look at a pack of cykas, knock the teeth in of the guy who has the loudest fattest mouth first and they all just bail. They're niggers in packs, fine in small doses.
Because Eastern Europeans are not terribly intelligent and base a lot of their reasoning on emotion and impulse.
See:
>>80962858
>>80962933
>>80962858
what this guy said ..
russia fucked us hard.
>>80963102
>if you have to choose between something bad that happened and some exaggerated /pol/ memes, which would you choose?
Hmm, you made me think.
>>80962858
Turkey and Russia have so much in common, I am suprised that they haven't team up after all these years.
>>80963358
Its because they have so much in common, like claims on the Caucasus.
>>80963261
Blaming problems and failures on foreign factors is what fucked us hard.
Always looking outwards, failing in our own countries and turning on each other on the basis of foreign influence fucked us hard.
>>80963439
If you don't blame the communist period on the USSR, you are a fool.
>>80963280
>exaggerated /pol/ memes
you know how I know that you're not from here?
gtfo
>>80962687
I've always seen Russia as a benevolent grandfather, the one country in the world that actually sort of gives a shit about us
>>80963478
If you think that modern Russia is the USSR you are an even bigger fool
>>80962858
Did you like Russia before it was communist?
>>80962687
Poverty thanks to communism enforced by the shithole of Russia that occupied their countries for many years.
That's pretty much all there is to it.
>>80963478
>If you don't blame the communist period on the USSR, you are a fool.
And this is why we failed and continue to fail.
We point fingers at outside factors, explain everything with big things, look for big saviors and divide amongst ourselves.
This is why I have a foreign flag and am never coming back.
>>80962687
Here, in the Balkans, Russia is not as hated as in poland, chzechia, the baltic republics.
Bulgaria is 50/50 when it comes to russia.
most like Russia around here, only left degenerates and mudslimes hate them
tho communism was shit but the west pushed that more down our throat
>>80963601
Nigger, communism came to the Balkans with an army. Invaded and occupied, and force fed propaganda until we became tranquil enough for them to leave.
All the people who could've prevented it or spoken up rounded up and shot, or "missing" after being taken in for interrogations.
Yes, it was the USSR. No, it wasn't me and you ahead of a huge army of armed men forcing people into a regime they swore to fight just a month earlier. It was the Russian government.
Again, you are a fool if you don't realize these clear historical facts. In your attempts to be as neutral, on the fence and gray area as possible, mistaking such actions for reason, you are looking stupid. Reconsider your views.
>>80963546
>implying putin is not having delusions of the grandeur and wants to revive the USSR. And they still use KGB tactics.
>>80963550
No.
>>80963546
They have the same issue we have, that the same people are in charge after the USSR collapsed that were near charge before it did.
>>80963550
I wasn't born when Imperial Russia was a thing, anon. That was a long time ago.
>>80962687
The simple answer is:
Because Russia just sucks too much to be in any position exert its influence over anyone, yet does it anyway.
Imagine having a white trash trailer-dwelling neighbour who's trying to tell you what to do, that's what it's like being a neighbour of Russia.
>>80963821
>No, it wasn't me and you ahead of a huge army of armed men forcing people into a regime they swore to fight just a month earlier. It was the Russian government.
It was you. It was a you with the same logic and reasoning and a different conclusion.
What happened with communism was a largely black and white view that came to extremes.
Literally the same as what you are doing.
>n your attempts to be as neutral, on the fence and gray area as possible, mistaking such actions for reason, you are looking stupid. Reconsider your views.
Boy did you erase all my nostalgia for the homeland I felt this morning...
Enjoy paying for Belene!
>>80963439
>person who never experienced communism
It's easy to say that they shouldn't blame the USSR but trust me anon it fucking sucked. Ultimately it just completely destroys society, no one trusted each other, everyone is always depressed, constant surveillance. Anyone that's somewhat of an intellectual is purged and so on.
Just look at the difference between Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macaw and Mainland China.
>>80963882
I meant did those countries hate Russia before it was communist
Because counties of former SU jumped too hard on the russophobic bandwagon, sucking dat sweet cock of freedom while blaming Russia for virtually all the problems they have.
Ex Yu countries seem to have gone through a similar phase
>>80964014
>It's easy to say that they shouldn't blame the USSR but trust me anon it fucking sucked. Ultimately it just completely destroys society, no one trusted each other, everyone is always depressed, constant surveillance. Anyone that's somewhat of an intellectual is purged and so on.
Family, you are literally describing Bulgaria right now.
Post-communism.
Trust me, socialism wasn't pure evil for Bulgaria.
If anything, it showed that the only way the country can achieve anything whatsoever is through a dictatorship and once we drop to the emotional, impulsive crap of our individualistic people, we end up, at best, murdering each other.
Of course, I will readily agree communism was a bad idea, but it's not THE thing that ruined Bulgaria. It's the bulgarians.
>>80962687
Go figure.
>>80963981
>It was you.
Post discarded, you said nothing to argue me, just repeated what I already proved wrong and added some not too subtle insults.
>>80964123
In Bulgaria it was always the educated and the government looking to Berlin, and the common people looking to Russia.
However when the Red Army came they just killed off the educated people, and with enough propaganda it was soon forgotten.
>>80964153
t. immigrant patriot
>>80964123
before communism Imperial Russia was a great ally to serbia, yes someone might jump in and say they betrayed us when they stopped attacking the ottomans cus Napoleon and we were fucked by turks again, but they did send funds and rifles (sometimes troops) to our rebels.
>>80962687
>if you repeat a lie long enough, people will start to believe it
>>80964288
>you said nothing to argue me
You're shoving your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen to me.
>just repeated what I already proved wrong
You proved nothing wrong. There was no proof offered. You described the way communsim was implemented. Not what it consisted of and why it was there and how it developed.
It's the everlasting fault we have as a nation. Just like how communists will always talk about those children of what was it, Yastrebino? as some sort of justification for socialism.
It's the same thing.
>added some not too subtle insults.
I'm being rained on and forced to endure shitty food just so I could not live in the same country as you.
Insults are expected.
>In Bulgaria it was always the educated and the government looking to Berlin
Right, because the EU is working out very well for us right now...
>>80962687
Balkan countries don't hate Russia (except for Romania and Albania)
Nobody hates Russia or Russians. But we know they're drunk, crazy and its not really Europe.
>>80964353
>immigrant
Yes
>patriot
Fuck no. Patriotism disappeared the first time I was heavily insulted for holding a differing foreign policy opinion. Then it died down further when I realised people literally hated on me for going abroad and considered me trash.
Then it was completely drowned when the political class was trying to shut down my right to vote and half the people were supporting it because I'd "abandoned my country" or whatever.
>>80962687
Tfw our neighbours all hate both russia and us.
Except for greeks, ty greece
>>80964153
It was evil. I've lived in the post-USSR world, everyone who was older than me by about a decade or so was just completely depressed, it's like something inside of them died and they just didn't care what happened to the country or society anymore they just wanted to be left alone. No enthusiasm for anything other than the bottle.
>>80964696
>I've lived in the post-USSR world, everyone who was older than me by about a decade or so was just completely depressed, it's like something inside of them died and they just didn't care what happened to the country or society anymore they just wanted to be left alone. No enthusiasm for anything other than the bottle.
Some countries fared worse than others.
This is a conversation about Bulgaria.
Objectively, socialism wasn't worse than the current system.
>inb4 muh bananas
Much like there were bad times in communism, such as when the supermarkets were empty, there were times such as the failing of KTB in modern Bulgaria.
So yeh.
>>80964503
>right, because the EU is working out very well for us right now...
Is it working out for your airports?
>>80964503
1. Communism came to Bulgaria ahead of a Russian army.
2. The educated and ruling elite was mass murdered by the communist regime.
3. The punishment for speaking up against communism was death in the labor camps.
4. Because of the communist regime Bulgaria didn't have access to the post-war recovery of Europe, with loans and investments from the USA and other infrastructure plans and deals.
5. With no free market, Bulgaria's produce was entirely 100% reliant on the USSR, and collapsed together with the USSR, to produce the economic climate that had me eating corn and mashed egg shells in 1997.
And from these points, 1-5, you deduce that its my fault Bulgaria is shit, and that Russia has nothing to do with it?
And your "arguments" and "proof" for this conclusion is that things weren't black and white, we are the same, and other such Batman comic book punchlines?
Fuck yourself. You are like the rich white neighborhood people saying that niggers are fine, no need to be racist, etc.
You went to live in fucking Belgium and now you are preaching to actual people on the Balkans about the Balkans, the same place you ran away from.
Recycle yourself into soap and mail yourself here, so I can wash my ass with you, at least make some use out of your corpse.
>>80964577
>it's not really Europe.
What is it then?
>>80964934
Russia
>>80964683
>and us.
no we don't
>>80964934
Eurasia
>>80964503
Bulgaria, in its modern history, has never been richer than today
>>80964153
>THE thing that ruined Bulgaria. It's the bulgarians.
Bulgarians are the byproduct of the communist era. Communism can fucks you up mentally.
>>80964683
>Tfw our neighbours all hate both russia and us.
Attacking 4 countries and terrorizing their population in attempt to forcefully keep them in a failed "alliance" in which you have all the power tends to have that effect.
>>80964925
>1. Communism came to Bulgaria ahead of a Russian army.
That it did. With the support of the general populace.
>2. The educated and ruling elite was mass murdered by the communist regime.
The ruling elite of the time largely deserved it.
>4. Because of the communist regime Bulgaria didn't have access to the post-war recovery of Europe, with loans and investments from the USA and other infrastructure plans and deals.
Yes, because we seem to magically blossom as soon as we get investment.
See: EU funds.
>And from these points, 1-5, you deduce that its my fault Bulgaria is shit, and that Russia has nothing to do with it?
Yes, because the people who forced communism on the country were the same people as you. They viewed things in a black and white light and were aggressive about their views, to the point of being hostile to people who shared a different foreign orientation.
You would have made an excellent Komsomol secretary.
>You went to live in fucking Belgium and now you are preaching to actual people on the Balkans about the Balkans, the same place you ran away from.
This is WHY i ran the fuck away, because I do not want to be ruled by the neo-commie elite you voted in with your anti-commie single-minded stupidity.
>>80964968
Hypothetically, what would happen if you guys joined the EU?
>>80962687
We don't hate Russia.
And we don't hate USA.
Anything else?
>>80965150
>has never been richer than today
>this is what Gerbers actually believe
I am going to go kiss my belgian wife very hard for giving me the citizenship to never have to go back to the Bulgaria that thinks its rich and well off.
>Bulgarians are the byproduct of the communist era. Communism can fucks you up mentally.
Yeh, it's all the communists fault. They are the only problem. No one else. Everything is the fault of communism.
>>80965264
It's actually a pretty fun line of thought, by the way.
If Russia joined the EU they would hold twice the votes of Germany in Council and Parliament
If Putin managed to win an EU election with a large majority, seeing the fragmentation of major parties, we could easily see Juncker replaced with a Russian.
If Russia joined the EU it'd literally take over by pure force. Imagine what would happen then?
>>80962687
People knew Pan-slavism was a bad idea, while Russia still had a Tzar.
>>80965264
>what would happen
The other countries would get a lot of cheap resources and they would make sure that the refugees end up in Russia.
>>80965258
I numbered my points to make sure you don't skip half, and you still skipped half. Amazing.
>your government and educated elite deserved to be murdered!
Top fucking kek. You are delusional, and I am out of this thread, no reason to get mad over this nonsense.
>>80965575
I skipped half because I never claimed communism was good. So I agree with a lot of the claims about it being bad.
Why would I need to argue them?
>your government and educated elite deserved to be murdered!
Yes, the Bulgarian ruling elite around the time before communism had to be overthrown, much as the one now has to be.
>Top fucking kek. You are delusional, and I am out of this thread, no reason to get mad over this nonsense.
Don't like being faced with objectivity that places responsibility about your country on YOU?
Yeh, I bet you prefer living free of any sort of responsibility or fault and just blaming them bad russians and commies. Just like all other table patriots.
Bad material indeed.
>>80965760
Ever since the day I was born, Bulgaria has only been getting better, only improving.
However, since it was so fucking shit before I was born, its still bad, despite the improvements.
But its my fault, because you don't know history, and want to be hipster on a mongolian harakiri puzzle forum by claiming you love commies. Fucking retard.
>>80965892
>Bulgaria has only been getting better, only improving.
Holy fucking shit. I bet you vote Borissov.
Yeh, the country is improving as fuck. The 8% depopulation per year is a testament to how Bulgaria is about to become a superpower in a few years.
Are you a gerber or something?
>by claiming you love commies
Funny how you missed the 50 times I said I don't think it was good and my entire point about it being your fault.
>>80965207
Fuck you, German slut.
What would happen if someone who is 2times bigger than you knocked on your door in the middle of the night and said you belong to me now. I will forcefully change how you live, you are not allowed to talk in a different language, your parents must leave the house "dont worry they will be back", you are not allowed to visit your neighbour anymore. Oh and vasia and vadim feom now on will ne living with you. I am doing this for your own protection, cheers m8.
>i wonder
>>80964683
Nobody hates russia here. Fuck off.
>>80966425
Although I agree with your logic in general, I still think Baltics are batshit insane in how much they fear Russia right now
>>80962687
I get sick shirts from Russia based as fuck.
>>80966425
victim of communism detected
>>80962687
Russians are primitive brutal murderous people.
Glory to the communist party,
Actually i like the fact that we ruined eastern europe beyond repair.
>>80966917
Sweden yes, just breed with more peaceful and progressive iraqis and blacks
Russia is like a juiced up heavyweight fighter who suffers from paranoia and is high on meth
Gee I wonder...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
>>80962687
We've kicked them out only recently. In the last 250 years they've been out of poland for about 40. Also throughout their rule they kept torturing, deporting and killing people. The worst occupant of our country was always Russia.
They took every possibility throughout history to fuck us over, I don't beleive they wouldn't do it again.
>>80967026
>belgium
>>80966625
>I still think Baltics are batshit insane in how much they fear Russia right now
I don't think that's unfounded, at least in the cases of Latvia and Estonia. They border Russia, they've barely any armed forces and sizable Russian minorities in their countries.
>>80965370
And you are an spacial snowflake and no one in Bulgaria understands you? The whole country is a demoralization project and communists still rule here. The population hails the so called "liberator" and is inclined to protect that notion to the extreme. You can't criticize Russia, otherwise you are some kind of ingrate. I agree that the people are fucked up. However if you think that communism is not the plague that it is not a serious negative factor, then you are delirious.
>>80967152
>Afghansomalistan
>>80962687
We don't.
We don't hate Russia, we hate the Soviet Union.
>>80965892
Bulgaria is still shit but he is a filthy commie, no need to reply desu.
>>80967345
>And you are an spacial snowflake and no one in Bulgaria understands you?
Immigrants are coming close to equalling people living in Bulgaria.
No, I am not a special snowflake.
>The whole country is a demoralization project and communists still rule here
That's the problem. That's exactly it. See, you say they're communists.
They're not. They're bulgarians. The communists turned democrats. The democrats will turn communists. Everything is done according to the national mentality. When communism disappears completely, something else will influence the ruling elite and it will remain the exact same.
I'll let you in on a little secret family, I was in Bulgarian politics before I left. Quite high in, infact. Pretty much everyone has ties to old communism but also pretty much everyone doesn't give a shit about modern Russia, because it only gives a tiny trickle of money, which is monopolized by idiots like Siderov.
A very tiny fraction of the issues are created due to actual ties with communism.
>However if you think that communism is not the plague that it is not a serious negative factor, then you are delirious.
I agree its a negative factor, I also say it is a symptom of the sickness that is our national mentality.
>>80962858
>post-war recovery
Hello newfriend. Let me tell you about white genocide.
>>80967605
>but he is a filthy commie
>argue that it's not as black and white as you think and the problem is in the people and you should take responsibility instead of blaming it all on others
>FILTHY COMMIE
Gee, I wonder why the country is still shit and people run away all the time.
The biggest crime of Russia was liberation and creation of Romania and Bulgaria.
Those "Orthodox" fuckers were the henchmen of Ottomans for a long time, exemplified by Vlach and Bulgarian auxiliaries in Ottoman armies. Romanians are delusional, quite savages in 1848-1850, WW2 etc. Furthermore, the Bulgarians are the most despicable backstabbing shits. And these nations, like each and every shitty nation, always blame others, higher powers and foreign influences.
Guess what, fuckers? USSR is gone for 25 years, you are in NATO and EU but still are totally backward, corrupt and poor shitholes.
Who do you blame now? Communists? Russians? Turks?
>>80962687
Balkans are either pro-Russian or don't give a fuck, with a small anti-Russian minority, usually deluded EUphiles and other trash.
>>80962687
because they are fearful manlets.
We don't.
>>80967901
>balkan slav
>FUCK THE OTHER BALKAN SLAVS MURDER THEM ALL
I wonder why the rest of the world is always outpacing slavs
>>80967356
belgium = terroristan
>>80962687
well partly because eastern europeans are not very intelligent people but mostly its kretins calling themselves intellectuals who are barking,
us fucked ee economies up by ruining soviet union not Russia
>>80968074
>>80967739
> Saying it's ok that comunists made a coup and killed civilians by the thousands.
>hey, it's only the peoples fault.
one thing is a direct byproduct of the other. How dense are you?
>>80968148
>>80962687
Newsflash: Everybody hates Russia
>>80962687
>balkan
balkanized
>>80965264
There were 15 countries in USSR with their own national governments and communists. But you believe Russia=USSR. The same will be with EU.
>>80962687
Because we brought them communism probably, but thats our common tragedy. :(
>>80968208
> Saying it's ok that comunists made a coup and killed civilians by the thousands.
Never did.
>hey, it's only the peoples fault.
Yes, largely.
>one thing is a direct byproduct of the other
Err, yes, that's what I'm arguing? That the problem is entirely in the national mentality and the people themselves?
>>80968208
Those communists were Bulgarian. Why are skipping over that fact?
Yes USSR was shit, but it wasn't really Russian nor is modern Russia USSR.
>>80967967
Oh, man, you got me completely wrong.
You and I would get along very well. But trying to communicate and read the media and average people opinions here is the source of my frustration.
At least us Croats are consistent in our servitude to Papal State and Germans.
The Serbs and the former Serbs are the ultimate proof of Balkan inferiority and retardation, we deserve everything we got.
Because they play on our servers and spam their cyka language
Putin is pretty cool guy thos
>>80962687
Because being a satellite state is about as good as it sounds
>>80968449
Senpai, I agree with your logic. Prettty much entirely.
I mean, this is basically what I've been arguing all thread:
>>80967901
>Guess what, fuckers? USSR is gone for 25 years, you are in NATO and EU but still are totally backward, corrupt and poor shitholes.
I also heavily agree with:
> these nations, like each and every shitty nation, always blame others, higher powers and foreign influences.
But it doesn't really help if you say that liberating us from the turks was a crime.
>>80967644
>I also say it is a symptom of the sickness that is our national mentality.
I never said that is not a problem. I agree. But I don't think you still come across the average person living here, no one is born this stupid. They are influenced and it's a mixture.
>Immigrants are coming close to equalling people living in Bulgaria.
As we are all running away? I can't argue that and for obvious reasons.
>>80968493
>Because they play on our servers
Dota 2 made me hate Russians with a passion desu
>>80968449
Just consider the fact 50% of Serbs and Bulgarians converted to Islam historically. That should tell you a lot about national character of people here.
See modern Montenegro as another example. Half of Serbs here pretend they aren't for various petty reasons.
>>80967901
>Ustashe sucking that muzzie-cock
Color me surprised
>>80968652
>But I don't think you still come across the average person living here
As I said, I was in politics. It involved campaigning in the ENTIRE country. Believe you me, I have met more "average person living here" than you have. In fact, most bulgarians nowadays that have the education to speak English as you do usually close themselves off from the average bulgarian.
>They are influenced and it's a mixture
It's a national mentality to be terribly individual, look for big saviors, blame foreign powers and so on. Being easily influenced is a symptom of that, as evidenced by people like Borissov being given power on a platform of "not BSP".
>>80963227
t. child who wasn't alive in the Cold War
>>80968747
>Just consider the fact 50% of Serbs and Bulgarians converted to Islam historically.
That's not really a fact, it was lower than 50%.
But I will not argue that we have a very solid cuck mentality. It's evidenced by these people who either take the Russian dick, or the EU/US dick and no one actually tries to stand on his own.
We have these flashes of brilliance in our history, but the overwhelming majority IS in fact a history of being cucks.
I wish I could say we can still change that, but talking with these people here isn't giving me much hope...
>>80967901
you have no idea of historical context and geopolitics now do you?
as a matter of fact, through your statement you proved that you know next to nothing about the balkans and our relationship both with Turkey and with Rusland.
As to answer your question in regards to why they are still shitholes 25 years after:
- Yes, it is still the fault of communism, because the leaders are the exact same. Just different rules.
Iliescu with his salvation front after the 89' revolution in his first televised appearance said that he personally received a phonecall from Moskow to congratulate him on recent actions, so PLEASE fuck off and educate yourself before speaking you fucking croat scum
>>80968625
It is a crime because you procedeed to fight Russians and their interests at every single instance in the future.
That is the final historical lesson.
You never "liberate" anything, you only should conquer and annihilate your enemies.
>>80969172
>Yes, it is still the fault of communism, because the leaders are the exact same. Just different rules.
No, it's the fault of people like you who say its all the fault of communism.
But spare me your retarded emotional argument, i don't give the tiniest fuck about Romania and wish you all the best on your race to the bottom.
I won't get embroiled emotionally like I do about my homeland which makes me sad and pissed off at our failure.
>>80967901
>>80969172
Also forgot to state, that THESE SAME leaders i spoke of in my earlier post, are the exact ones who privatized our industry for 1$ per factory.
it is ALL the fault of communism.
From gypsy infestation as the communists wanted to settle them down to corruption running rampant in the halls of parliament for 60 years now
>>80969077
>it was lower than 50%
Maybe slightly.
>tries to stand on their own
Too small for that.
>>80969416
>Too small for that.
The size of the nation does not mandate it being cucked.
>>80969349
you have no arguments whatsoever to counter what i said, and i have historical evidence that points to precisely what i said.
you have biased opinions and are too bloated by your own beliefs that you refuse to learn actual history
>>80969172
>because the leaders are the exact same. Just different rules.
So in the end its romanians fault. Not russians or communists?
>>80968889
Which party were you in anyway?
>most bulgarians nowadays that have the education to speak English as you do usually close themselves off from the average bulgarian.
I practically live in a bubble.
> Being easily influenced is a symptom of that
Then how would once influence the people towards something positive? Although, I feel this idea is kind of done for.
>>80969476
Ok.
Enjoy your very bleak future.
Please don't flood Russe and the nearby villages too much.
>>80969524
It's the fault of communism that was put in place BY russia and these are the long standing effects of it, you cocksniffing shitweasel
>>80969589
out of the two of us, Belgium - you're the one with a bleak future, That I can assure you.
.t allahu akbar
>>80969663
>by Russia
USSR was not Russia. For fucks sake Stalin was a Georgian. His chief of secret police was Georgian.
Do you even know what communism is, how communists think?
>>80968747
Every single Serb that was pro-Yugocommunists and pro-partisan was a traitor.
Just as every Croat who fought against Ustaše and Domobrani was.
You are reaping what your treasonous ancestors sowed, Serbs were wounded in 1919 and dealt a mortal blow in 1941-1945. What you call Serbs today are actually Yugoslavs/Yugocommunists who were told that they were Serbs again. Milošević nationalism is a meme, he was a Titoist, product of Montenegrin Yugocommunist breed.
The problem of Serbs was that their best men died in 1912-1918, and again were killed or taken to POW camps in Reich (200 000) in April 1941.
>>80968810
You have no idea what you are writing about. Go do some drugs, shrooms booze.
>>80969571
>Which party were you in anyway?
Let's not go there, you'll derail the argument.
I know plenty of honest, hard-working people who mean nothing but the best for their country who are in horrible parties. The problem is that they get in politics, try to do good, then the people don't like that and they disappear.
I have no idea how you blame communism for that, but hey, I've seen it happen.
>I practically live in a bubble.
I know, all my friends also do. That is why you have no idea exactly how stupid the average bulgarian is.
>Then how would once influence the people towards something positive? Although, I feel this idea is kind of done for.
I may be biased due to having lost all my optimism from my short-lived political career, but at this point I think there is no other way but a benevolent dictator who forces the people to actually work for their country and forces good reform on them.
>>80964925
>Recycle yourself into soap and mail yourself here, so I can wash my ass with you
Well this was genuine 10/10. Well done.
>>80962687
Russification, corruption, exile in Siberia, murder of civilian people, then communism. Who wouldn't love Russia
>>80969805
They still have the same people in goverment and its russians fault. Its like niggers in africa. Black goverment but still shit and its whites fault.
>>80969172
You are opportunistic historical revisionists, and savages of the worst kind. I am well aware of your actions as Ottoman auxiliaries, during 1848-1849 (Russians crushing Hungarian revolution had to protect Hungarians against Romanian murderers in mixed areas) and in WW2 during Barbarossa.
>>80969733
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
>21 Belgium
>52 Romania
Mind the gap.
Gypsy.
>>80970132
war's hell nigger
i don't care about what opinions you have, but a nation does what it must do to survive
and so we did
with territorial integrity i might add
should i remind you what you did to serbs, fuckwit?
>>80970178
give it 50 years shlomo
>>80970295
You forgot a zero or two.
>inb4 muh growth
3% on 0 is still 0.
>>80967152
>Swedenistan
ITT: Belgium thinks it's a real country.
Quite sad really
>>80970024
You got a taste of your medicine. What's the matter, you thought that Russians forgot the beatiful Union of Brest, Polonisation, persecutions and general opportunistic enchroachment of Poles and Lithuanians on Russkaya Zemlya following Mongol/Tatar invasion? Times of trouble?
You set up your own demise, with Liberum Veto, crusader mentality and huge appetite.
>>80969817
>Just as every Croat who fought against Ustaše and Domobrani was.
But you're wrong about that ustašas were literally Italian puppets. They were just appointed to power after invasion.
>Milošević nationalism is a meme
True to the word.
>The problem of Serbs was that their best men died in 1912-1918, and again were killed or taken to POW camps in Reich (200 000) in April 1941.
Probably true.
Yugoslavia was a mistake, but nice job cucking us into it I guess.
>>80970082
Anti-Russian people are usually lowest of low, especially in moral sense.
Russophiles are also often dumb as fuck and retarded though.
Population in Balkans in general is retarded. To think democracy can work here is to be a dumb idiot.
>Let's not go there, you'll derail the argument.
Fair enough.
>I have no idea how you blame communism for that, but hey, I've seen it happen.
It all seems like a recurring theme and i often see how everyone thinks that Russia will save us from whatever. This makes a person inclined to believe there is something more to it.
>That is why you have no idea exactly how stupid the average bulgarian is.
Come on, I am pretty critical. It can't be that worse. (I hope)
>benevolent dictator who forces the people to actually work for their country and forces good reform on them.
That would be a sight to see, yet I am not keen on it.
>>80969959
You gypsy immigrant, I'm glad that you left this country, more like you should follow the same example.
Fuck off and don't ever speak about Bulgaria again, ugly cunt.
>>80970455
Itt: Lithuania completely fails in reading comprehension
That said, it's quite funny Lithuania saying Belgium isn't a real country. I mean, fuck this place, it's a joke, but YOU can't really be the person saying that.
>>80969959
Whoops
>>80970522
>>80970530
>I'm glad that you left this country, more like you should follow the same example.
Yes, because you seem to be doing such an amazing job without us.
The country is surely improving.
Why don't you kill yourself and stop ruining my homeland?
>>80970242
>territorial integrity
>Moldova
Riiiiiight.
Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
>>80970024
You know what the problem with Russians was?
They were too lenient. Russians can be rowdy and brutal but in general they treated their subjects well.
If they raped you properly, like French or English raped their subjects, they wouldn't have so many problems they did.
>>80970467
In Polish mind, that never happened, and huge Polish state was a gift from God because they were such noble Catholics. Poland is the Jesus of nations.
>>80962687
Reason? It's called the "Warsaw Pact".
>>80962687
Where did you get that idea? :DDD
>>80962687
Are yu dumb? Because of jews, ofc.
Proximity to Russia.
There, can we move on now?
>>80965207
THIS
>>80970705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5-nX_gYHPM
This you?
And yes, the country is improving. The good thing is that useless fags like you who can't make it have left to suck on that Western welfare.
>Ruining my homeland
Your homeland is Belgium, you retarded gypsy. Please, don't ever come back here.
>>80962687
Russian occupation
Made a mistake by giving them our jew gold during WW2 and now they claim they can't find it
Constantly threathening us
And communism
>>80963261
so why you don't fucking help ukraine and set up your own eastern european alliance ffs
they all need your help right there at this very moment
>>80970518
Ustaše were ideological descendants of Starčević and Frank, Habsburg and RCC supported projects and ideas. They were Italian puppets in the beginning, but were not fascist by ideology, and were soon forced to adapt to German overseer requirements. Little known fact is that Yugocommunists praised Ustaše prior to war, glorifying their ideas and struggle against "Greater Serb" Yugoslavia (yes, that level of idiocy), and collaborating against the state. Cancer, both of those movements, and both externally created and supported.
When is Montenegro officialy entering NATO?
>>80971133
Because Ukrainians are the most niggerish people you can imagine, while still being white.
No one likes Ukrainians. They just ''like'' them because they are opposed to Russia.
But they are literally 10 times worse than Russians in every aspect.
Now, like in past, Ukrainian cattle is nothing but cannon fodder for Western enemies of Russia.
>>80963358
they are actually a team
same as usa and israel I guess
>>80965207
WE DIDN DO NUFFIN WRONG
WE DE GUD GOYS
WE WANT JUST FREEDOMZ AND DEY GENOCIDE US
fuck off stupid kid
>>80963439
nigger are you retarded?
all of eastern europe drowned in communism for 4 0years, for one simple reason - because ww2 ended with them under russian occupation, which allowed moscow to install puppet governments and turn half the continent into soviet satelite states.
>>80970599
Don't be angry at me. It's not my fault your """country""" doesn't have any history and is slowly turning into muslim majority """country""" :DDDDDDDD
>>80971236
Yeah, no.
>>80962687
Post-colonial resentment
>>80971205
>Ustaše were ideological descendants of Starčević and Frank
Ustaše were bunch of thugs and you do know that people like Luburić were literally Serbs.
He had a lot to prove I guess.
>Little known fact is that Yugocommunists praised Ustaše prior to war
Another little known fact is that Ustaše were bunch of no-ones before WW2. In 1940 Yugoslav intelligence didn't even consider them a threat.
HSS on the other hand was a respectable force.
>When is Montenegro officialy entering NATO?
No idea, when it's all ratified by national parliaments.
Of course I doubt we'll stay long. As soon as Đukanović and his cabal is gone, people here will revert to their natural stances.
>>80970522
>It all seems like a recurring theme and i often see how everyone thinks that Russia will save us from whatever. This makes a person inclined to believe there is something more to it.
Russia is tiny in its influence in Bulgaria. It forces high energy prices because it can and there's some businessmen who export money there. The middle east has more influence than Russia does.
Of course I don't expect you to believe that on my word. That'd be hypocrisy, as I'm blaming people for being easily manipulated then expecting you to believe the word of a random person.
That said, 80% of BSP doesn't give two fucks about Russia and its actually registered membership is what, 100k now?
And Ataka got 5% of the vote.
That's the presence of Russia in politics.
>Come on, I am pretty critical. It can't be that worse. (I hope)
Where do you live? Sofia I assume?
There is something of a middle class there, which muddles your view.
The average Bulgarian is worse than you think.
>That would be a sight to see, yet I am not keen on it.
Neither am I, but do you know how many honest, decent people I have seen? Enough to fill the entire parliament five times. Do you know what happens to them? They throw themselves into the good fight. They spend months trying to do something good like break administrative barriers, improve a town, fix broken legislation.
Then they disappear. Because people vote for the guy who promised to fix all our problems through gas in the black sea, or the guy who said he was an anti-commie or the guy who said he will bring back the glories of communism.
Again, don't take my word for it. You know Kavarna, right? Go read a little bit about it. Kavarna used to be a hole, I went there with my family for the mussels. It was an abandoned dump. Tsonko became mayor one day and made it a thriving centre for tourism. He made so much objective good for it. And he was voted out in favour of a BSP-GERB coalition candidate. Who promptly ruined the town.
>>80962687
The literally most retarded statement ever.
Who said everyone hates Russia?
We hate stupid USA who are solely responsible for all murder, famine, crisis and war since decades.
No fuck off kike.
>>80962687
Who says this meme? We love Russia.
>>80962687
Russian Rape babies
I personally don't, but people in Serbia especially fail to realize that it's in Russia's interest to have good relations with Serbia because we're the last official supporter of Russia left in this region. That's where it ends though, in this day and age there are no more historical friendships, just pure interest.
>>80971075
>And yes, the country is improving.
>8% depopulation
>still lowest wages in Europe
>over a million working-poor below the poverty line
>gypsies breeding far faster than Bulgarians
>forced to pay 800 million in reparations now
>debt heavily rising
>only thing to show for all that is some highways
>the highway to Burgas is already basically on waves, a few years after it was built
>The good thing is that useless fags like you who can't make it have left to suck on that Western welfare.
Yes, who needs educated people who can't stand corruption and a lack of justice.
Fuck them.
Bulgaria is doing so great on its own!
>Your homeland is Belgium, you retarded gypsy. Please, don't ever come back here.
My homeland is Bulgaria and I have a better claim than you on it, because I don't still live and pay tax money to the people who are raping it.
>>80971489
Communism is partly responsible for africa asia south america and europe. We are only responsible for the middle east.
>>80962687
Why do white people who have to live with niggers hate niggers more than everyone else?
>>80971421
It's not my country, but you're fucking Lithuania man
I mean
Lithuania
Half the world doesn't know the difference between you and Latvia
Know your place, jesus christ
>>80971795
Why do teen Finns who met one or two Russians in their lives keep talking about how bad Russians are?
>>80962687
FUCK OFF JEW SHILLS
QUIT SPAMMING MY BOARD
REEEEEEEE
>>80962803
Decades of MARXIST rule, you Jewish faggot.
>>80971469
>Where do you live?
Plovdiv
>Ataka
That's old news. We had Barekov and now it's Slavi, Mareshki and Dinko.
Those retards still do manipulate a lot of people.
>You know Kavarna, right?
I knew some things about it, but not in detail.
>And he was voted out in favour of a BSP-GERB coalition candidate.
It's common to bring your guys in office just because. I am aware of the whole circle jerk in broad terms at least.
>>80971865
People in eastern Finland meet plenty of them.
>>80972085
Yes, and are you from Eastern Finland?
Can any of the Serbs here explain to me why the party that was oficially endorsed by United Russia party and Putin himself, DSS, almost ended up below census? And they were in a coalition this time. While in the previous years they were outside the parliament.
The majority votes for parties either in favour of Euroatlantic integration, or those in favour of "just EU integration" (we all know what that means in reality).
So the election results prove that "Serbs love Russia" is only a meme, like "kebab remova" (following Balkan liberation, Serbs kept the highest number of muslims apart from BiH, they were cleansed in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Hungary)
>>80972202
>voting reflects the sentiment of population
There's your first mistake.
>>80971843
>Easily provoked
>Frustrated by everything
>Probably a raging homosexual in denial
Ivan, is that you?
Fuck Russia
>>80972202
Voter fraud, the fuck do you think? Literally nobody I know or have ever known has said anything but the worst about Vucic yet he still somehow has the votes.
>>80972148
[spoiler]no[/spoiler]
>>80969892
Go genocide rest of your neighbourghs first, Mehmet.
>>80971899
>>80971932
>>80971785
And who is responsible for Communism you kike Shill?????????????
Thats right Bolshevik JEWS ZIONISTS, the same ones who are responsible for US.
>>80971730
>I have better claim on it
>I don't still live there
>and I don't pay tax money
I'll leave you to your trolling now, have fun.
>>80972084
>Plovdiv
How can Plovdiv be such a nice city and yet produce such human trash
>We had Barekov
It was Tsvetan Vassilev's money. That's sort of Russian though, yes. But do you know how tiny the real amount of money is?
Plus Barekov was never really sanctioned by the Russians or anything. Vassilev far outreached himself.
>Slavi
Not russian money, at least not yet.
>Mareshki
Again, not Russian money. At least not yet.
>Dinko.
I don't think Dinko is a political project. Yet.
>I knew some things about it, but not in detail.
Read up. It's the story of how someone came, undeniably improved the lives of people and was then chased out so they could bring back the shit that was before.
It's a wonderful example of bulgarian mentality.
Tsonko wasn't without fault. But if you give someone a million leva and accidentally lose a quarter of a million, should you be chased out and replaced with someone else?
>It's common to bring your guys in office just because. I am aware of the whole circle jerk in broad terms at least.
That's besides the point, but the practice of putting people in office is a bit more far-reaching than that.
That is also incidentally the amount of votes you need to win government.
The structure is very simple, actually.
>get in power
>put all your people in office
>some 200 000 people
>give all public contracts and procurement to your people
>win local elections
>manipulate economy so some more thousands are in your palm
>tie businesses to the government by corruption and protectionism
>some more thousands
>end up with about a million people economically dependent on you
>you've thrown out everyone who was dependent on the previous party
>those million people know the next party will do the same
>they vote to save their jobs
Bingo-bango, Borissov wins with only about 5% of the vote being independent sympathizers.
>>80972726
If someone pillages your land and you pay him the tools with which he does it and help him do it, are you being more of a patriot than someone who stands to the side?
>>80972409
So you are saying that millions of votes for SNS coalition, DS coalition, LSV, LDP are not real?
Why isn't anyone protesting? If the elections are THAT rigged, public outcry would be visible and sizeable. Or Serbs are simply too subservient for any of that. We had 50 000 people protesting over curriculum reform on city squade.
>>80962687
I don't hate Russia, because for every piece of the communist shitpie they forced down our throats, they also took a bite themselves. In confiscation, stagnation, corruption, labor camps, rationing, hyperinflation and unemployment - the misery was quite evenly shared.
And I like the culture, the people and all that. However they seem to have no regrets over enforcing their Bolshevik retardation over half the continent and would gladly do it again, so Intermarium is my personal geopolitical dream.
>>80972818
>Not russian money
I am saying they are a distraction and they manipulate idiots.
I had a nice conversation, but i gotta' run. Cheers man.
>>80963821
It didn't came with an army in Yugoslavia. We had based Tito to act all nice with Uncle Stalin and then, when the time was right, told him to fuck off. It is your own fault you didn't have such a based guy and rather had fucking pussy politicians
>>80971865
russians are filth just fkng realise it already
>>80962687
Try to find someone they don't hate to death
>>80973207
567 get rekt
>>80973444
You are an idiot if you believe Yugocommunists were indigenous. From early 1943 they received vast majority of weapons, ammo and equipment from Brits and Americans by airdrops, followed by ship deliveries when Italy surrendered. Tito was denounced by Stalin, and Tito continued to beg for a full year before the mythical "historic NO". And there was nothing based about Tito, the fact you are in Germany is a direct consequence of it.
Fuck you stupid, uneducated, agitprop Yugonostalgics.
All I see in the news is USA plugged stories about how aggressive and bad russians are. 10 years back everyone loved those pacanchiks
>Why do Eastern European and Balkan countries hate Russia so much?
Imagine living next door to an inbred drunkard who constantly bangs on your door in a vodka-induced delirium.
Once he actually managed to break down your door, take you into slavery and burn down your house.
Gee, I wonder why would anyone hate this guy.
>>80971932
>Decades of MARXIST rule, you Jewish faggot.
Decades of MUSCOVITE rule, you Catholic fudgepacker
It was Moscow that took over in 1917, not marxism
>>80971730
In 1996 the monthly wage was a below 10 dollars and there was food shortage.
Birthrates are low all across europe.
Gypsies just breeds like rabbits how is that anyones fault?
>>80969817
Oh and Tudjman, who you praise as your lord saviour, wasn't?
>>80963546
>If you think that modern Russia is the USSR you are an even bigger fool
If you don't think that Moscow was the USSR you are the ultimate fool.
>>80971205
So much delusion and lies in one post. I actually envy you, you are a true /pol/
>>80973880
No, the reason I'm in Germany is because fascist HDZ and their polished EU-jizzeating-leftovers. It's pretty easy yo compare how much better country eas in Tito's Yugoslavia then it is since the """"""""""independence"""""""""""
>>80967901
the biggest mistake In history of Europe was liberation of Croatia after WW1. You should've been left to Italy and Austria so we wouldnt have to deal with this autistic comments
>Waffleniggers trying to bring the bants
how dissapoint
>>80962687
We know the real eternal ruskie and who he really is.
also its sad that people keep falling for that albanian who shills for soviet union and lives in ""Belgium""
>>80970920
What's the average income in based Estonia?
>>80962687
they're like the edgy teenager rebels of russia
they all KNOW they're supposed to be part of russia but
>muh freedom
because russians keep playing on english speaking western european servers when they cant even recognize english letters
Because they are not European
>>80962687
Try being starved until you can't walk, give 90% of your worked fields to the state aka Russia, not allowed to have a house bigger than 100 sq meters, forced to sing their anthem 3 times per day, get power cut every night across the country from 8 to 11 pm for power saving and get killed for talking anything bad about the state. Do this for 20 years and then tell me.
>>80981805
Hi, Vasya
>>80970467
>Russians forgot the beatiful Union of Brest
You what m8? Union of Brest in Moskau?
>Polonisation
It was a voluntary polonisation of ruthenian nobles. The official language until the 1795 in GDL was latin, and before the elites started to polonize, they spoke latin you mongrel
>Russkaya Zemlya
Russkaya, not Mosskaya
>Times of trouble?
Moscow was attacked in 1609 also because it forged an alliance with Sweden and both countries pledged to conduct a common foreign policy, so PLC decided to do a preventive strike
>You set up your own demise
No country sets up its own demise. It was destroyed when reforms were taking place, and it was openly acknowledged by those who partitioned
Anyway, all those things are not equivalent to what Russia did. Russians acted much more murderously, savagely and commited incomparably more crimes. You just won't find something like the Prague Massacre of 1794 on the side of PLC
lets face it, Russian are real jews.
>>80962687
First Partition of Poland
Second Partition of Poland
Third Partition of Poland
17 September 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland
Katyń Massacre, NKVD and Gulags
Soviet """""help""""" during Warsaw Uprising
Soviet repressions of Polish citizens by NKVD
Polish People's Republic
now they have a nerve to threaten Poland after all of this
fuck them and I hope Russia will be wiped from the world forever some day
>>80962687
because we had to put up with their shit personally
A rudimentary knowledge of history and a tiny bit of common sense could have answered this question. Are you fucking retarded?
>>80983849
>Poland
>Europe
How does it feel living on $450 a month?
>>80962687
Because Russia always had and still has imperialistic ambitions and the countries near its proximity have suffered the most because of it. I don't hate Russians, in fact I'm a huge fan of Russian culture, and I'm sure there are many fine, well educated reasonable people living in Russia today, but to be confused as to why Eastern Europeans have deep rooted animosity towards Russia then that implies you've never opened a history book in your life.
We like Russia very much.
Because their reason for existence is being buffer states for or against Russia.
>>80980985
No one knows.
Let it be this way, otherwise various socialists, invaders and other mentally ill people want a share of it to themselves and their pets of various color and religion.
Official figures - google around.
>>80985612
We as nations with our culture and language actually exist on our lands here thousands of years. But yes - various invaders and robbers and other sick fucks often wander through our lands or want to collest taxes or plunder resources here. From west to east and vice versa. One of the reasons for such "wanderers" existace is obliterating Russia for various reasons.
