He is a scientist. How can you disagree with him?
>>80960115
he's an engineer, not a biologist, not a geneticist, not an anthropologist
That is what I'm trying to say to everyone I see here. Though Arabic people became degenerate through radicalized Islam.
>>80960115
He's a another Jew who has no business discussing genetics
They push this lie because it then pushes all inequality as white racism and privilege
In reality, when you control for IQ and experience, most inequalities go away
>>80960242
>anthropologist
stop making fun of me that degree wasn't a complete waste of money okay? fuck it i'm going to cry/drink myself to sleep
>>80960115
There is a difference between species and race. . .
>>80960115
Race has nothing to do with skin colour. Indians are Aryan.
I remember hearing that "we are star dust" line in Carl Sagan's Cosmos. Every time it is like taking a cumshot to the eye.
>>80960115
being of the same race does not magically make us 'all the same' you commie dingus
>>80960115
1/8
>>80960838
2/8
>>80960871
3/8
>>80960917
4/8
>>80960946
5/8
>>80960115
He's wrong because skeletal structure, what a fucking cúck.
>>80960994
6/8
>>80961021
7/8
>>80960115
He's definitely not a boxer, his guard is appalling
>>80961061
8/8
Even if there were sequentials in race, we are all stuck on this one planet. Why wouldn't we work together?
world btfo
>>80960115
He's a mechanical engineer. He hasn't done any research, nor does he conduct any. Shit, I qualify more to call myself a scientist, as I have a degree in chemistry and I am performing research as well, with a couple published papers as well.
>>80960115
He's not a scientist though, he's an engineer. I literally have scientist in my job title and this is offensive to me.
DELET THIS
>>80961114
That's fine but to perpetuate the lie that we are all the same hurts whites and blacks
Blacks think their issue is white racism and whites get labeled as racist
Instead, black populations could understand they are more susceptible to low intelligence and promote stability, education, and other things instead of "it's whiteys fault"
Blacks could also start realizing that the welfare state they support makes them dependent serfs, not whites
>>80960115
Liberal's delusion
Bill Nye the bachelor's degree guy
>>80961114
literally btfo with nukes in an month
>>80960115
Only libs listen to anything he says.
He's the world's #1 science fraud.
You know, with him being and engineer and all.
>>80960115
He's a celebrity with a degree, not an actual scientist.
>>80961153
And yet you still replied to this thread as if OP was not being sarcastic, so it begs the question of what you're actually researching.
>>80961836
Cancer. Did infect a bunch of Cruz's family with cancer grown in-lab as part of the research.
>>80960559
Anthropology is interesting, anon
Would you share your understanding of the out of Africa theory? I heard it has been debunked a while ago
>>80960115
Everything he said could be used to justify that there are no differences between species either.
>Humans and lizards are all made from the same start dust, we all share one planet, differences in skin texture, color and body shape are all just results of different environments and different ways of life. etc
>>80962097
Well I dunno about the Cruz's family claim, but learning about cancer, that's definitely research that is in high demand.
>>80960115
and I used to enjoy his show as a kid. Should have watched beakman's world instead
>>80962285
Guess bad joke is bad.
Part of the research I've done involved using ovarian cancer cells grown in media to be implanted in rats, and then run various chemotherapeutic agents to see if the drug we're using is efficacious as compared to current treatments
>>80960115
yea the actual story is that bill nye likes to eat balls you can see that my testicles are replaced with him licking my scrotum from the inside on wednesday night and friday night and he lives there and i feed him buffalo chicken and lettuce mixed with mozzarella cheese for a good job on licking my scrotum
he has a horrible æsthetic though and i dont like that so sometimes i make him rub his face in my boyfriends manboobs to increase the kawaii-ness because she succ me
>>80962522
see dubs
>>80960115
He looks like a creepy satanist.
>>80962448
Cool.
I only pretended to be interested in whatever research you were doing to make the public announcement that we should all stop replying to these fake "/pol/ BTFO" threads, because the the less they get bumped, the more that show up on the front page.
Sage.
>>80960115
He's an engineer, not a biologist.
It's the same deal as with Elon Musk fearmongering about AI.
They are both good at what they do, but these aren't their fields and they are no more qualified to speak on the topics then you or I.
>>80962805
>They are both good at what they do
What does Bill Nye actually do other than TV appearances?
>>80960115
Didn't Richard Dawkins come out and say the opposite, recently? I thought I saw a tweet in which he said. "Social construct? Forget it, race is real"
I'd live to see an evolutionary biologist like Dawkins tear his asshole apart
>>80960242
your ad hominem is showing
>>80960115
So in his text, he says that all our modern ethnic groups evolved apart due to differing climates where humans filled different niches, completely contradicting his statement that we're all one race.
THIS THREAD IS FULL OF RACIST DRUMPF SUPPORTERS
>>80963353
>ad hominem
??
>>80963353
ad hominem is attacking the person, e.g. that's just the sort of thing a burger would say.
i'm merely pointing out that his area of expertise is in no way related to what he's saying in OP's quote.
nice try though, i'm sure the mods will be pleased that someone read that sticky
>>80963125
Dawkins is just going to tell *everyone* what they don't want to hear.
Genetic differences are real. "Race" is how you feel about them.
>>80960115
>>80963353
That's not an ad hominem.
>>80960115
in other news, there is only one breed of dog
and no such thing as "sub-spieces" either
>>80963353
you have no idea what that phrase means
>>80960115
He is not an evolutionary biologist with a specialization in anthropology.
His argument holds no weight.
He's a comedian with a BA in mechanical engineering.
>>80963515
arent those two animals just breeds?
europeans and africans are the same species but different races
>>80963489
>Genetic differences are real. "Race" is how you feel about them.
How you feel about them? Race is a word that in this context refers to those differences, not individual "feelings". The colloquial use of the word race in this context might not be aligned with the proper scientific definition, but a word is just a word, it's used to identify something, in this case measurable differences between different groups of people.
>get sued for malpractice if you don't take race into account
>get fired by pc police by saying there are genetic differences
Top kek
"The scientific left"
>He is a scientist.
No he isn't.
>How can you disagree with him?
Because I am a scientist who majored in Biochemistry and minored in Genetics and know beyond doubt that memes like "race is a social construct" are objectively wrong.
The skin colour comment itself disproves it because this is caused by race-specific alleles, which implies race is real by definition.
Did he actually even say this? I vaguely remember this just being bait.
>>80963743
>How you feel about them?
Niggers are retarded. Their genetic traits apparently contribute to that retardation.
But I don't have to lie to kick it. There is still no objective definition of race, and such a definition would be arbitrarily determined.
>>80963622
>you have no idea what that phrase means
Actually, he's correct. Attacking someone's qualifications in substitute of addressing their statements is the definition of ad hominem. I could go into more detail about why but this is why the sticky is retarded. We're in a casual environment and nobody is subject to the constraints of formal logic.
>>80964273
Also, Bill Nye is an easily demonstrable moron, and I don't have to resort to pointing out his lack of qualifications to make it apparent.
Dude needs to stick to childrens TV shows about rudimentary physics.
Bill Nye the terminal bachelors degree in engineering guy
http://quillette.com/2016/06/23/on-the-reality-of-race-and-the-abhorrence-of-racism/
We wuz stardust n'shit
>>80960115
There may not be such a thing as race, but it just goes to show how a small genetic change can be the difference between a rational person and an irrational nigger.
>>80960115
Those who say that race or sex are social constructs and demand equal rights, forget that 'rights' are the only social construct on that phrase.
>>80964273
Now, this is not to say that there can never be any objective definition of race, but such a definition would require us to simulate every single combination of every single genetic possibility and then arrange it into categories in a similar fashion to that which reflects the subjective interpretation of color itself, with respect to frequency.
To say that race doesn't exist is a bit confrontational until that happens.
>>80967602
And this is why Bill Nye is retarded, irrelevant of his qualifications.
Sage
>>80960115
He has a bachelor's in mechanical engineering he's literally an actor
>>80960115
>>80960242
>>80960480
Everything he said is technically correct.
>"We are much more alike than different"
Technically correct, and yet still misses the meat of the argument.
>>80969453
Oh, except that part about there being no such thing, scientifically, about race.
>>80967602
>>80967602
I'm so sick and fucking tired of having to deal with captchas or paying money to speak coherently in a world which tries its hardest from giving morons the ability to speak. I had to fight with people who genuinely have a good reason to protect their interests in disallowing my 2spooky4u ass to prevent me from accessing their wireless network just to convey this super-important information that you'll all just dismiss anyway.
Now...
Irrelevant of all of this categorization, it still reflects an element of desire in our efforts to portray reality in the way we want it to be expressed as an anthropomorphic priority, because the way bees interpret color cannot even possibly reflect the way we do because they not only cannot experience frequency on the same spectrum that we do but we can only assume that humans do so...
And it's objectively demonstrable that they do not.
I can spam a million quotes at you all which demonstrate how retarded we are but it will never encapsulate the proof that we're all self-interested mammals wearing clothes.
Gender-specific clothes that we somehow managed to rationalize as being dictated by deities, nomorenoless.
Therefore, God exists.
Seriously, kill yourselves before you give me the power to do it for you.
>>80970239
We cannot return to the Garden of Eden, but our cousins can play there forever.
Die.
>>80971463
Feel free to disregard my message to humanity, because it has a recognizable similarity to Satan's deceptions.
Ignore that Satan is not a NoFunAllowed meme.
>>80971702
Sometimes I think I should write a book.
But this book will only feed the insatiable curiosity of the fedora-tipping edgelords like me that you all run and hide from because reality sucks.
On the bright side, you always have the freedom to stop being such a cowardly faggot and face judgment, which ironically is a property of your own self-awareness, to whom we speak of as God.
Kikes be damned. They work against their own interests by understanding this and being too cowardly to face the fate that we all deserve and flee from.
Jesus loves you.
Buddha says you're an idiot for giving a shit.
Mayan Gods are unironically careless of such notions as altruism.
Connect the dots.
Reality is inescapable.
You're an expression of the universe's tendency to redistribute heat energy toward optimum thermal equilibrium.
Hmm. really makes you wish you didn't have to think.
>>80973439
See Ecclesiastes for more information.
>>80974060
Now of course you don't have to fall into a pit of nihilistic degeneracy, but why wouldn't you give in to the obvious self-fullfilling prophecy of people who took the opportunity to tell you what not to do because dying of desire is scary?
>>80974306
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
...when Armageddon is so much more fappable and dresses are so cute?
>>80974442
And I am the metaphorical serpent who is whispering into thine ear.
>>80960115
Wasn't this guy employed as a fucking janitor or something after his show ended and the cuckbucks dried up?
>>80974723
Can you even imagine how fucking spooked Christfags are when they read this thread?
>1 POST BY THIS ID
report and sage
Meanwhile actual evolutionary biologists such as Dawkins agree that race is a biological reality.
>>80974811
>>80960115
Mechanical engineer, TV personality and Statist bootlicker but not a scientist.
>>80975033
>irrelevant to anything that matters
he tried so hard and came so far
>>80969453
>chimps share 95% of DNA with humans
>much more alike than different
i hate that fucking idiot.
>>80960115
>How can you disagree with him?
I trust the man who discovered the molecular structure of DNA over a man who has a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering on topics of zoology.
>>80974811
not at all desu
>>80960115
>>80976256
Of course not.
But when you look back on the witchcraft you'll realize that I did you a favor.
Much love,
Satan.
>>80975884
I honestly think Dawkins is hiding his power level at this point.
And he still gets a lot of flak from SJeWs.
>>80960115
That's great Bill Nye, but why do they keep committing over 50% of the country's murder?
>>80963016
nothing, but hes good at that
>>80960480
Whites are the Ryu of life. Allrounders with no weaknesses.
Maybe we should start saying "breed" instead of race.
>>80962718
>looks like
>is
Fixed that for ya
>>80977772
Now you're memeing with memes.
>>80977914
I'm just saying we have different breeds of dogs.
>>80977772
breed implies eugenics. Breeding for specific characteristics
subspecies might be more accurate
>>80978014
I didn't disagree with you.
I think you're a genius!
>>80960115
Physical anthropology, forensics, the medical industry, and most geneticists disagree. Just because racial lines are a bit blurry doesn't mean that race doesn't exist. It's more of a lumpy spectrum.
Saying race doesn't exist is like saying that wavelength doesn't exist because the boundary between x-rays and gamma rays is arbitrary.
>>80960115
>>80960480
The thing is, it really doesn't matter, does it?
In the end, you still have to judge people on their individual abilities and achievements regardless.
Even if average IQ test scores are an accurate indicator of intelligence (which if quite debatable, especially if you look into Flynn's findings), it doesn't even matter, because they're only averages.
I personally was unfortunately born a nigger, but my weschler full-scale IQ (as measured in my early grade school years) is 145. So what does it even matter if an average black scores 85 and an average asian scores 106? If you take a jap and a nigger and stand them next to each other, you can't say which one is actually smarter without individually testing them.
I never argued there are several species of man.
I have argued that a man's quality is measurable, which has been proven true by every bit of research on the matter.
I like the way he tries to stray the conversation to skin color when it should be about eugenics.
>>80960115
He thinks race is just skin, ignoring the genetic differences that change brain chemistry between the races and ethnic groups.
He's an idiot who ignores SCIENCE proving Africans suffer from sickle-cell anemia more than any other race genetically, or that East Asians are more lactose intolerant due to genetics than European people.
>>80960115
>A mechanical engineer knowing anything about biology of humanoids.
Opinion disregarded, this is the same cuck who blamed Isis on global warming.
>>80960115
He is not a scientist, he's an engineer who couldn't get a real job.
>>80978389
>as measured in my early grade school years
You're beautiful. It's true.
>race is just skin color
ok sure dude
Why is this still up?
>>80960115
I agreed with everything until I read the author. Bill Nye is an actor, not a scientist. He has no degree and no real training. The Myth Busters have better credentials than Nye.
>>80960115
>confirmed for not knowing anything at all about races
Not even our feet, skulls or height is the same. Then that same guy will claim black people are better at sports because bones and that black guys have bigger penis. Why are theoretic retards like that even allowed on television? Jews and their IQ is all made up and fake, he literally below average smart in science and that's suppose to be his expertise.
>>80978389
It's possible to both generalize about groups and treat people as individuals at the same time as long as you understand statistics and aren't retarded. In fact they're both mandatory to have a proper understanding of the world.
>>80974723
>And I am the metaphorical serpent
i'd show her my serpent
>>80978828
Fuck me i have Roman feet
When will we dispute this jew lie that Europeans have origins in Apefrica?
"The ‘Petralona man’, or Archanthropus of Petralona, as it has since been called, was found to be 700,000 years old, making it the oldest human europeoid (presenting European traits) of that age ever discovered in Europe. Dr Poulianos’ research showed that the Petralona man evolved separately in Europe and was not an ancestor of a species that came out of Africa. "
http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283?page=2%2C0
>>80964273
no, thats not what ad hom means
try again, and again, until maybe you eventually get it
>>80978916
She'd show you hers.
>>80978934
lol Greece you cuck, Romans are suppose to have Greek feet.
>>80978972
No that's what ad hominem actually means.
Google it.
>(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
You're not addressing his statements because your argument depends upon the meme warfare of convincing people that he's not correct because he's not qualified to make the statement.
He's not correct because his statement is wrong. Focus on that, not his qualifications.
>>80978595
>engineer
>not a scientist
Kys
>>80960115
>People think genetics are why niggers act like apes
Niggers act like apes because they are raised like apes by apes. If I adopted a shitskin they would be top of their class until they get the rebellious age and try to find their ancestry by converting to islam, growing out disgusting dreadlocks, speaking ooga booga, and subscribing to "We wuz kangz" on Facebook to get an hourly reminder of how evil white folks is.
>>80961114
We would work better if lesser races, blacks, were still enslaved.
>>80962718
Well he's a jew, so he probably is
>>80979255
This would be like telling Einstein he's not correct because he didn't have a degree in theoretical physics pertaining to his own theory of relativity.
His qualifications are irrelevant. He's wrong because he is demonstrably wrong.
These people are all accidentally small and black, they are the same as your blond wife, according to theoretic scientist Bill. So they won lottery 100% for all coming out small and i won a lottery for not being like them. Theoretic science, it's not science, it's bullshit.
>>80979674
>>80963684
Black people do not have neanderthal DNA. How are we related at all?
>>80978628
The research is all based on IQ tests administered to the young, anyways. So it is relevant.
When I've said "IQ" doesn't even matter in /pol/ I've been told it's because I'm an idiot (rated unfavorably by IQ tests) that I reject it. I was struck with an urge to find out my actual IQ score. Would it be around 85 as /pol/ had claimed? Have I been an idiot all this time without being aware of it? I had to know.
Got my scores from my middle school and found out that I'm miles ahead of most people, regardless of race.
Maybe you have to be above 100 to understand the concept of an "average" and how it has no practical use if you aren't a degenerate who doesn't respect personal merit and achievement.
>>80979891
>>80979545
>People think genetics are why niggers act like apes
But that's exactly the case.
>>80979858
Ironically, this is the same thing which makes it possible for deities to exist until atheists demonstrate otherwise.
Ancient Greece made a repetitive hobby out of exploring the distinction between memes and bullshit.
By any formal logical standard, you cannot demonstrate that someone doesn't know what they are talking about because others didn't certify him with a piece of paper.
We had this discussion about Galileo. It's stupid.
Bringing up his qualifications is a demonstration of your own inability, or refusal, to address the statement in direct fashion.
If you don't know how to do this, shutup.
>>80980138
Maybe you need to understand how IQ samples work to figure out that it's been so long that you should probably consider restesting as an adult.
>>80979858
>>80979255
However the poster never stated that Bill Nye is wrong because of his qualifications. Instead, the poster merely made an observation which was falsely considered an ad hominem. The poster actually returned and made his intent clear here >>80963471
See the line where he stated "I'm merely pointing out that his area of expertise is in no way related to what he is saying"
Sorry but this is not an ad hominem. This is an observation.
>>80980198
>>80979674
>we are all the same
>but we don't all get cancer
How come? So i guess we aren't all the same if we have genetic diseases. Then out genes aren't all the same. Do those highly educated morons even have intelligence? I know they finished lots of schools, have high scores in IQ, but they seem to be totally unintelligent.
>>80980577
I know exactly how they work.
The research was based on tests administered to children. So my IQ when I was a child is the one that must be compared to the "average".
Fuck, this isn't hard man.
>>80980716
Their observation, then, has no relevance to discussion.
Why are you trying to meme me into believing that pointing out his qualifications is not a statement of implicit incorrectness?
If it was merely an observation, it would be an irrelevant observation. Nobody requires certification in existing fields to be correct.
>>80963353
he's responding to OP's claim he's a scientist
>>80960115
>have engineering degree
>get paid to teach kids shit
>kids grow up
>ironically scream your name all the time
>get together on the internet and meme your career back to life
>suddenly it's champagne and interviews and limo rides
>all you have to do is keep talking to them like children
>eventually you forget that people aren't children at all
>your word becomes gospel
>your mouth becomes God
>you end it in a hotel bathroom, mumbling about gunpowder and spring physics as you stick your big toe through the trigger guard on a brand new 12 gauge.
>>80980734
>>80981024
Okay then call it an irrelevant observation, and accept the fact that it is not an ad hominem.
>>80981084
God please don't let this happen to me
t. Engineering Degree guy who makes informative videos for stuff at work
>>80981169
Why would you make it a point to argue with an irrelevant observation if that was not the implication?
>>80981087
>>80960115
He's a comic. Search for "Almost Live", gaze on his Cascadian roots.
>>80981391
Here in informal logic land, we perform with persuasiveness.
Persuasiveness does not constitute proof.
So if you place more importance on persuasiveness than proof you're just a fucking sophist, and you deserve to be detested by those who know better.
>>80981400
So he's a creationist now or...?
>>80981024
>>80981024
Okay then how does Bill Nye explain the persistence of archaic hominid genes in contemporary Europeans? Why is it that several sections of European DNA matches that of Neanderthal man? Why is lipid catabolism in contemporary Europeans influenced by Neanderthal ancestry? Why is it that the only group of people on earth with no Neanderthal ancestry live in SS africa?
The cranial capacity of Neanderthal man appears to be on average 17% larger than that of modern man. If contemporary Europeans can be 5% Neanderthal (which is an entirely different species of hominid) then how is it possible that an African is the biological equivalent of a European?
Richard dawkin, an evolutionary biologist, criticised this view stating "Social construct? Forget it, race is real."
Cherry picking data to support your political agenda is unscientific.
>>80981738
>you're just a fucking sophist
Not an argument. Ad hominem much?
>>80981826
>>80982097
You put forth actual biological data in support of your argument.
Now you're getting the hang of it. Now, until he comes back with biological data which refutes yours you've got the upper hand.
Good deal.
Sorry famb, you mistook my awareness of formal logic in debate to be a political agenda.
>>80982312
>Persuasiveness does not constitute proof.
>if you place more importance on persuasiveness than proof you're a sophist.
That's an argument. That's how this works.
>>80960115
except he didn't even say that lol
>>80982892
With regards to what I stated about having a political agenda was solely directed toward Bill Nye. I don't see how accusing someone of being a sophist and telling them they should be detested is an argument. How can he tell whether I subscribe to a particular ideology or not? It's an ad hominem. All I did was point out that the Irish lad was not guilty of making an ad hominem.
>>80983518
Sophistry should always be detested.
Reality is not and will never be determined by popular opinion. Sophistry (emphasis on persuasiveness instead of reaching for the highest degree of objectivity obtainable) is the equivalent of laughing at the Wright Brothers.
>>80983518
>All I did was point out that the Irish lad was not guilty of making an ad hominem.
He pointed out Bill Nye's lack of qualification to make statements regarding race.
You don't need qualifications to be demonstrably correct. That's how logic as a metaphysical construct has always maintained its consistency.
>>80983789
How does that have anything to do with this post?
>>80980716
I never claimed persuasiveness constitutes proof, that's a straw man. I merely pointed out his failure to correctly identify an ad hominem in this specific instance.
>>80984074
>>80983789
These are FORMAL LOGICAL RULES.
You'd get shit on for bringing one's qualifications to the table in a legit, strictly formal logical debate.
>>80962228
We share about 99 pecent of our dna with each other. Considering that we share about 50 with a banana I'd say we're probably sharing 75 with reptillians. Your point isn't really valid.
>>80984194
>I never claimed persuasiveness constitutes proof
Don't do this in defense of the clear and obvious reasons to point out his lack of qualifications.
You know what I'm talking about and we're both defending the same position.
I'm holding everyone to a higher standard than persuasiveness. Don't get pissed off when that's only marginally more difficult to do when attacking the messenger in substitute of attacking the message.
>>80984074
Specifically he stated that his area of expertise was not related to what he was discussing. This is an observation and not an ad hominem. He also never claimed that one needs qualifications to be demonstratably correct. However, in all honesty would you go to an ice cream man for surgery? No, you would go to a surgeon. So when Richard Dawkins says race has taxonomic significance and demonstrates why it seems to carry more gravity than what Bill Nye says. Also Bill Nye never demonstrated why his hypothesis is correct. He just expects people to take it at face value.
>>80985020
>Specifically he stated that his area of expertise was not related to what he was discussing.
THAT'S IRRELEVANT
Would you say the same thing about Newton when he put forth his arguments about gravity?
>>80984074
That's cool but it is NOT an ad hominem.
>>80985284
Put forth data, qualifications are meaningless all day.
This is literally the ground upon which evolution was demonstrated.
>>80979973
>Africans weren't in europe at the time that homo sapiens mated with neanderthals to gain that 1-4 percent. How are we even the same?
A minor breeding event with another member of the genus doesn't change us completely as a species. If it were 30~ I'd be inclined to think otherwise.
>>80985355
Technically, it isn't unless your argument is as follows:
>Bill Nye isn't qualified to make these statements
>Therefore he is incorrect.
Why would you bother with the premise without implying the conclusion?
>>80985284
No. I actually never made the argument the Irish poster did. All I did was point out that what he said is not an ad hominem. It doesn't mean I endorse his views. It means I understand that his post was not an ad hominem.
>>80985570
My accusation of ad hominem rests on the presumption that the premise of Bill Nye's qualifications has any reason to be brought into question.
>>80985496
The way that paleoanthropologists label every fossil with slightly different skull features to be a different and new species in the homo genus but then comparing modern human skulls and noticing that they have just as many differences but still say that we're the same species worries me. Why are these differences considered extreme in the past but not now?
>Bill Nye the Bachelor's Degree in Engineering Guy
>>80985914
Because special differentiation is only determined by one's capacity to breed with them, and the evidence does not indicate, when compared to all known data, that they were incapable of breeding.
>>80985665
It was not brought into question. He did not ask 'why is this egineer talking about biology?' It was simply observed and stated that he is not a biologist, anthropologist, etc. That is not an ad hominem, sorry.
>>80960115
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""scientist"""""""""""""""""""""""""
people actually listen to actors to play men of science on tv? hes an engineer tops
are amerishits THIS stupid really?
>>80986204
Okay. I can concede to your argument, that due to the fact that it was never explicitly said that Bill Nye's qualifications to make statements regarding biological subjects made him incorrect.
And basically, what you're telling the audience is that you acknowledge that anons throughout this thread are just throwing his engineering degree out there for no actual reason. You deserve the presumption of innocence about being a deceptive cunt with no regard for formal argumentation.
(in this post I take advantage of the informal environment and subtly imply that you're a manipulative little lying shit who is only concerned with defending your own position, whether it is objectively correct or not, because you're more focused on persuasiveness than objectivity)
>>80976253
it's molecular biology, not zoology. also, watson's the man. he just said the objective truth and liberals go crazy if they're presented with cold hard facts.
>>80960115
>He is a scientist.
He's not. He's an engineer just like me. He should shut the fuck up or go back to teaching children basic law of physics.
>>80986682
Sure buddy. You're are pretty asshurt. Logically there are reasons to be skeptical of someone with no foreknowledge on a subject speaking as if they are experts. It doesn't mean that they ARE incorrect because of lack of credentials, but skepticism in this instance is not blind. Furthermore I find your dense vocubalury to be extremely pretentious and unnecessary. Look up a video on YouTube called "the beauty of clarity"
>>80963353
Oh wow you trow around logical fallacies without even knowing what the fuck they mean, you're so smart.
>>80960242
fpbp
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS STILL UP?
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>>80987434
>Logically there are reasons to be skeptical of someone with no foreknowledge on a subject speaking as if they are experts.
But in the presence of data which proves them to be incorrect, you're taking the easy way out.
Again, it's easy to argue against his own sophist tripe.
>>80982097
You already did it better than I did. I alone was able to raise questions about his correctness merely by directly addressing the statement itself.
But you focused on the Engineering degree. That's still ad hominem in the presence of data which proves your position right.
His qualifications are irrelevant in any formal context.
I ain't butthurt son. I'm moderating a logical debate. Attacking his qualification in substitute of directly addressing his statements will always be ad hominem. Every day. Doesn't matter if you can pull actual supporting data out of your hat when challenged.
I ain't even mad. I held you to a higher standard and you delivered.
>>80982097
And yet you're still assmad about getting called out on sophistry.
>>80960115
Because I expect at least some of us to get to fucking mars and die there.
Otherwise, yeah, totally tits.
>>80978389
>treat individuals as individuals
>treat populations as populations
What's so hard to get about this burgers?
>>80978389
>>80988374
>treat populations as populations
What do you do to "treat a population"?
>>80986181
Ah, that makes sense.
>>80988644
Profiling and immigration
>>80988113
The Irish poster was not guilty of an ad hominem, sorry. You're wrong. Why does it take you 40 words to say what I can in five? Observation=/=ad hominem
>>80988113
Please greentext the line in the Irish lad's post where he "attacked Nye for his degree" You are conflating making an observation with attack.
>>80989749
Do you know what an ad hominem argument is?
Would you give us the definition you're using?
I'm interested, because I've got one right here.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
So if you're just "making observations" and simultaneously acknowledging that you're wasting your time. Then fine. Have it your way.
>>80989892
*sigh*
>>80989965
>>80960115
what is the quote lincon said? "not everything on the internet you read is true"
>>80989478
Profiling means that anyone who fits a profile gets X treatment, right?
Which can range from
>cops need probable cause to search/arrest you, unless you're black
to
>Black people can't vote.
>"Treat a population"
> immigration
Why not have a set of criteria that the individual needs to fulfill in order to immigrate? Like we have now? Why should a person's origin matter for immigration?
OH, you have a billion dollars and you're a prominent heart surgeon? No... I'm sorry, you're from Mexico, we've stopped letting anyone from that population immigrate into the USA. We don't see you as an individual anymore, we just see you as a population.
>>80989965
Yes I know the definition, and I also know that the Irish poster did not attack Nye.
>>80990287
Okay.
Cool.
So he didn't post that for any actual reason, not even persuasively. He just posted it because it's useless information in the context of the thread.
You guys. Why would you dig your own hole instead of continually replying?
>>80960115
Science is like a waltz. If you ask a dancer why he must dance the way he does, he says, these are the rules for waltzing. If one doesn't follow these procedures, these actions, in this order, one isn't waltzing. But ask him "why must you waltz at all?" and he has no justification. If you feel like waltzing, this is how it's done, but nobody must waltz. What about science? Science has no justification for its procedures beyond tradition. If you change the procedures, you get different results, but unless your reasoning is circular, you can't know what results you should get in order to ground the procedure, or determine its accuracy. So science goes round and round in a circle: a worse dance than the waltz, but one enforced and militantly argued by "scientists" as the exclusive path to Truth.
>>80960115
>researchers say
NAMES, MOTHERFUCKER
>>80990472
Because it's funny how mad you get. You lace together all this dense vocubalury in order to say something which can be said simply. You deceive yourself into thinking your ideas or more complex then they actually are. You're academic jargon will not save you from being incorrect, which you are regarding the Irish man's post. You're basically saying "since he observed and stated X He MUST therefore conclude Y" and im saying there is no proof of that. So you have falsely claimed that making an observation about someone's credentials is an ad hominem, it's not.
>>80978389
>If you take a jap and a nigger and stand them next to each other, you can't say which one is actually smarter without individually testing them.
But you can make educated assumptions based on statistical evidence.
>>80991069
If bringing Bill Nye's qualifications into the thread was not meant to be a persuasive statement to the logically illiterate, then what was the actual reason?
Is this lolrandomfacts.com?
>>80990189
You're entire comment is retarded.
>cops need probable cause to search/arrest you, unless you're black
No, as in if we don't know the race of the perpetrator, then it would be fair that half of suspect ares black, despite being 13% of the population, because they do half the crime
We already do that for gender
>Black people can't vote
Some populations already can't vote, people under the age of 18. Should we est the maturity of each voter and remove the age restriction?
>Why not have a set of criteria that the individual needs to fulfill in order to immigrate? Like we have now? Why should a person's origin matter for immigration
Because the criteria aren't enough.
"OH, you have a billion dollars and you're a prominent heart surgeon? No... I'm sorry, you're from Mexico, we've stopped letting anyone from that population immigrate into the USA. We don't see you as an individual anymore, we just see you as a population."
.....
Is this really what you aw in your head when you rea my comments? Are liberals really this fucking retarded? I really can't fucking understand how it's even possible to be this dense and not have your own event horizon.
>>80960651
Very few. I'm of Pakistani origin and am blessed to have more Aryan blood than most. Despite having Germanic features and blue eyes, my skin is still tanned and my hair is very dark. People assume I'm Spanish or Greek, not Nordic.
Aryans invaded India some 5000 years ago. Miscegenation has all but spent their blood in the subcontinent.
Did you forget that Bill (((Nye))) is jew?
>>80960450
no arabs are just degenerate subhuman sand monkeys to begin with
>>80960115
Wait, Darwin said that whites came from clever monkeys and blacks came from brutish gorillas. Is Bill saying Darwin was wrong? If so, I'm glad Bill has come around to the Christian view since our book of Genesis states that God created mankind, not man kinds.
>>80963353
your reddit is showing
>appeal to authority rather than logical facts
>>80991294
The argument is not if it was intended (inadvertently or deliberately) to persuade. The argument is whether this statement is an ad hominem and it's not. I agree it is, most likely, intended to be persuasive. Calling it an ad hominem is incorrect.
>>80991663
False. Arabs are part of the Mediterranean race, a branch of the Caucasian race. It's interesting to note that Islam is the primary cause of their "fall from grace", as it promotes consanguinity, a practice that has reduced their average iq from 100 to about 85 in 1400 years.
>>80960559
He was calling you a scientist mate
I don't think it was banter
Antrhopology is cool desu です
>>80960115
It would be more funny if people didn't actually unironically utilize that reasoning spaghetti-man.
>>80991970
All logical arguments are, at base level, persuasive statements.
To exercise persuasiveness for the sake of persuasiveness is a risk you take when someone can see through the reasoning and call it out for what it is.
It's cool bro. We're in an informal environment, you can be as much of a sophist as you want and nobody can stop you, bringing us to the statement I made earlier that the sticky on this board is retarded, because I'm confident in estimating that maybe some 1/500 statements made on this board do not violate some formal logical rule.
And yes, even I do it. It's a casual environment and sophistry is expected. But don't pretend it's not because you occasionally run into someone who sees through the negligence.
>>80992535
Could you recommend me some literature on formal logic, because I actually don't know what it is. I just wanted to see if I could box you into a corner using language. It's kind of like a sport to me. I have read the republic, would you regard Socrates as a sophist?
>>80993158
Holding yourself to formal logic is an intense discipline.
Even people who are paid to do it for a living slip up in the heat of the moment.
But I learned the basics in college mathematics and I was intrigued enough to look into it more.
I don't have book recommendations off hand. Sorry.
>>80993403
Well, it was nice talking to you regardless. I learned some things. Long life and good health to you.
>falling for the positivism meme
science is literally the most stupid thing there is
>>80978059
subspecies and race was used interchangeably during my high school years
>>80993568
But to bring it back to formality...
When Newton presented his observations of gravitation to the committee, he was most likely mocked for one reason or another that made intuitive heuristic sense but was later discovered to be foolish.
When Galileo faced the authorities on his findings, he got shit on.
Formal Logic is the study which helps us not make these mistakes over and over again.
>>80993403
Harry J Gensler - Introduction to logic
That book is all you need to get started. It is by far the best book I have read for self study.
>>80993158
>>80994809
I replied to the wrong post
>>80960115
>we all come from star dust
>therefore we are all the same
By that logic niggers are literally monkeys.
