Okay, so I'm going to attempt to have an actual disscusion, or at least hear back from some people because I do have a legitimate question.
So Trump is going to lose. I know there are allot of hard core trump fans on this board who are in denial about it but to those impartial it is obvious- I hate trump and Hillary equally, they are both monsters pandering to idiots.
So my questions is this:
>Shillary wins
>Supreme Court goes majority blue
>house possibly goes majority blue
That's a fucking killing blow. So what will happen to the current conservative establishment?
They know they have lost allot of ground to the younger genorations and that they are in need of a face lift, but how can they achieve this face lift without losing their core group? I don't think they will buckle down and pander to the new alt-right vocal minority because it won't win them any elections so what then? What will be their rebirth?
I'm expecting allot of Alt-right shit posting so inb4
>buzzwords
>Hillary shill
>not paying attention
>gas the Jews/blacks
Thanks to all who reply with actual contributions.
>allot
>>80701499
Sorry bud, didn't see it.
>>80701388
Thanks.
>>80701008
is no one going to point out the way he spelt generations and the fact that the letter he misspelled it with is completely on the other side of the keyboard? if i wouldn't know any better id say your fucking brain is on backwards son. did you shave with a fucking hershey bar today? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU OUTSOURCED SHILL.
>>80701786
Hahahahha. Sorry man, typing on my iPhone cause I don't have a computer, too poor to fix mine. I'm a bad speller regularly and I'm cross faded from lmao weed and beer.
But I digress, let's talk about the subject at hand.
First off, the House isn't going blue. People cry "Gerrymandering" all the time, but the simple fact is that the Democratic population is just more concentrated (around cities) than the Republican population and the regional construction of the House will not be swayed by merely a Donald Trump backlash in an otherwise-winnable for the Republican party election.
Secondly, power shifts from the left to the right and vice versa all the time. Calling the mere fact that most of the powers are going into the left the "killing blow" of the right is a bit over-the-top.
The conservative establishment IS in a supremely awkward position after the Supreme Court made such rulings as legalizing gay marriage and public opinion, to the conservative's surprise, did not cause a backlash opposing social liberties, but rather supporting it. But this kind of thing happens once every 30 or so years. Once the right was considered the anti-nationalistic party (seeing it as an enemy of the free market) and then Reagan happened. The right is definitely looking at that kind of re-adjustment. They needed a candidate to re-define their party (while still keeping its core, anti-tax, pro-religious core), but Trump probably went a bit too far in that direction. Nonetheless it'll happen, probably in the 2018 mid-terms.
>>80701008
>have an actual disscusion
>So Trump is going to lose. I know there are allot of hard core trump fans on this board who are in denial about it but to those impartial it is obvious
You don't want a discussion about the trumpster, you want your opinion that you state as fact validated. But to come to your question:
>So what will happen to the current conservative establishment?
Well like you said, big blow to conservatives. That being said, I don't think Hillary will be a well-liked president and will hurt the dems in the long term. Also If the #mentallyHill win in won't be in a landslide.
TL:DR: Depends on how well Shillary would be as a President
>>80701008
I'm pretty positive we are heading for a major historical event. Hillary might win but the cracks are starting to show in the government. Banana Republic style corruption is the current norm. The accelerating amount and severity of daming evidence against public officials is going to reach a critical mass. The desperate scrambling among elites the past year confirms that there is enough information out there that could take down the whole government.
Past that, I really don't know. Anyone who claims to know, elites included, don't really know. Historically, we are in quite a bit of uncharted territory. All that is clear right now is that the US government has gotten itself into some very, very deep shit, likely implicating some very, very powerful individuals throughout the world.
So to answer your question:
I don't think it matters what specifically happens to the current "conservative" movement. We are approaching a critical point where the two opposing coalitions in the US will be pro vs anti government. Then it will be safe to say that all bets are off
>>80701008
I think its gonna end up in a way where the left controls the 3 branches for 4 years then it will turn on its head and go red in the 3 branches due to people (most likely) not wanting Hillary back in office and the noticable decline of the U.S as a whole . Also I wonder if the GOP is gonna put Paul Ryan as a candidate in 2020.
>>80701008
Don't badmouth trump like that you heretic!
>>80702177
Not really here for that but you seem to like trump so if that's what you want to believe cool cool cool bud. I agree with you though, I don't think Hillary will be well liked. She is already very annoying and is a very weak canidate in a normal election.
>>80702149
Okay, so hypothetically in your opinion what values will this canidates hold and how will be present himself?
>>80702318
>We are approaching a critical point where the two opposing coalitions in the US will be pro vs anti government.
What leads you to that conclusion? The right has no problem with government if government is in the hands of the right.
>>80701008
Hootin' and hollerin' but nothing of any real concern.
They'll threaten civil war but 99% of them know that the consequences would never be the same and they'll all continue to try and provoke other people to kick off what they're too cowardly to kick off themselves so they don't go down in history as being responsible.
>>80702318
That's an interesting theory, I agree we are in uncharted territory.
>>80702420
seems probable, Ryan is being groomed for sure but his trump endorsement, which he kinda had to do, will come back to haunt him.
>>80701008
>pls do my homework for me /pol/
>i get more money for juicy tidbits
>actual discussion
cool story shill
>>80702679
The federal government is a completely dysfunctional machine. It is an insolvent welfare state. It is in a state of permenate warfare. It has failed-democracy-tier corruption. It systematically strips away privacy. It is trying to disarm it's citizens. It is rigging the banking system and not even bothering to hide it. The list goes on. The US government is not a government for the people. It is a government that serves itself.
When the rubber hits the road conservatives have a love of country, not a love of state. Many liberals are, sooner rather than later, going to be forced to take a good hard look in the mirror and figure out where they lay on that paradigm.
We are going to eventually have a unified anti-establishment coalition. In the event of a Hillary victory you would almost immediately see this process kicked into high gear. It's Trump or nothing for a lot of these folks. Correctly or not, Donald Trump is symbolic of anti-establishmentism. When we live in a world where what bath room people use is worth of a news cycle spanning months and thousands of heated protests, you can be damn sure that a movement to prevent Hillary from being innauguarted will rise from the ashes of Trumps campaign with a vengeance
>>80701008
I want trump to win because I like Russia and I'd like to improve relations with them and Putin likes trump, Putin does not like Hillary
Hillary I think will try to get martial law verified way more than obungo did
>what will happen to the current conservative establishment
Well the gop is a joke now so realistically that will fall on any American citizen who isn't executed for it by the HH secret police
America will have to go through what Russia did in 1917, they over three some powerful family they were dick of and had implemented socialism and communism to have the Soviet Union
With us I'm not sure what would happen, but at least the conservatives have the military on our side (for now)
Black president is last president
Murica fall under elections
>>80701008
>allot
stopped reading there
>>80701008
White flight
Good old white flight
>>80701008
> So what will happen to the current conservative establishment?
The old conservative project is over.
It's decline began in 1980 with the election of Reagan and the committment to Neoliberal economics. Neoliberal economics fucked the US economy. It gave some short term boosts, but ultimately, the shit you're in is due to your insane economic system.
Neo-Cons destroyed the US's moral authority with pointless wars and the use of torture. Fucking torture.
The demographics and migration trends mean the old heart of conservatism, wealthy white men, has stopped beating.
Forget the paranoid alt-right bullshit. It's time you guys rebooted conservatism for the 21st Century. Your country needs you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)
