>http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2016/07/11/produzione-grano-agricoltori-contro-industriali-si-accollino-perdite-stop-ai-prezzi-da-discount-a-causa-dellimport/2891657/
Wheat price dropped of 31% since last year and now production is not profitable animore.
300.000 farms, specially in the south are likely to close if this continues; 2 million ettars are at risk and there is no alternative, only desertification.
Still there are no regulations on importation or storage: 40% of wheat intended to pasta or bread production is imported and this is a less regulated and of a lower quality overall.
From wheat to bread prices rise of 1450% and from wheat to pasta 400%
Italy can't survive with this reckless globalism and free trade and if the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) passes this can only get worse.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership
Globalism was lauded as the cure to a failing post war economy but all it does is to increases widespread poverty. agricultural collapse is at stake.
>>80585722
daily reminder globalism was done for the benefit of businessmen, banks and corporations
European agriculture cant compare to the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina, we will have to deal with it on a longer watch.
Right now our farmers can only exist due to subsidies and protectionism, if we keep this up it will end up the same way than with coal mining
>>80585722
>Globalism was lauded as the cure to a failing post war economy but all it does is to increases widespread poverty. agricultural collapse is at stake.
>t. Most unproductive nation in Europe
>>80585722
The EU did the same for olive oil, when it was imported from Tunisia. We could sustain ourselves without having excessive importations imposed. But as always, italian farmers' interests are disgregarded.
>>80585722
>From wheat to bread prices rise of 1450% and from wheat to pasta 400%
wow. I never even thought of the markup. That's insane.
>>80586128
Some things are worth protecting. If we allow our arable land to degrade through neglect we are at the complete mercy of others. IMO strategic industries should be propped up by the government, if not nationalised. Another benefit of being out of the EU is we can now bail out and protect our industries.
Its Okay we produce so much wheat here that the gov pays us not to we will just sell you some and make all your troubles go away. Now how about letting us have another base in Italy so we can store more long range missiles there. Got to be prepared for those pesky Russians.
>>80585722
With globalization making everything cheaper elsewhere and automation, no one is going to have a job in the future
>>80586128
>the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina
funny how a couple years ago we were importing wheat from fucking burgerland
srsly, these kirchneristas fucked us so bad
>>80586659
Pretty scary desu lad. And no we can't all be doctors and inventors.
>>80586128
>European agriculture cant compare to the giantic fields and farms in the US and Argentina
Maybe if you're shit at farming and unproductive.
We aren't even allowed to use GMOs and we compete just fine.
>>80586128
I know it can't compare but at stake there is a good percentage of the south workforce. i mean 300.000 farms? how many workers per farm? only 10? well thats 3 million people.
if the price continues to drop the next step will be hiring immigrants wich work for less, maybe unreported employment, maybe not.
at worst we lose 2 million ettars of soil forever
>Italian farms are literally razing themselves because America's are better
Such is hegemony.
>>80586659
Ideally we'll just introduce a super virus into the population to wipe out all the unnecessary people and free up some space.
>>80586136
>lega
Only idiots would vote lega right now.
>>80585722
Is this a ploy to bankrupt farmers so the big guys can buy the land up?
>>80586128
>>80585722
They need to process and produce the final products or even create outlets of their own.
>>80587106
Ho votato casapound alle comunali.
>>80587053
I'd rather prefer they just planted barley, poppy and hemp to be honest but whatever.
>>80586920
Your averange farmer in eastern germany or southern italy cant afford investing in new technology, the subsidies barely are even enough to keep the buisness running
>>80586128
>>80585722
>>80586388
Same already happened to Finlands production of sugar root. It is happening also to meat- and dairy industry as well.
>Finland produces cleanest, highest quality milk in the world
>Welp too bad. Central european countries have saturated the market with cheaper, lower quality product.
>Also not allowed to trade with Russia no more.
>Fuck Finland and their economy. Here, have some muslim immigrants t. Brussels
EU was a mistake and we needed to get the fuck out 10 years ago.
>>80585722
>http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/
into the trash it goes.
if everything is getting cheaper then why the fuck is our food so expensive?
Liberalism at work.
Good job sucking free market dick assholes. Enjoy being poor.
>>80587612
It really isn't.
Compared to the rest of the world food in EU is damn cheap
>>80586136
>>80587160
>>80587568
oh gawd, I sure hope this is bait
>>80587019
I was hoping for Ebola to be that form of salvation. Think about it; literally virus that spreads with shit and blood. If just it had reached India.
>>80587653
you linked to a trash journal. Give me a valid source or I'll call it bullshit. I'm against TTIP in general, but you can't give me Grillo's Journal and think that I will take it seriously.
>>80587568
He's right though, TTIP will buttfuck everyone.
Forget about economic protectionism for a minute here, can you imagine life with ISDS where burger megacorps to control our laws?
>>80585722
That's old news, EU destroy agriculture of whole Europe to replace it with American GMO and Chinese crops. Same thing with supermarkets, they lower prices as long as they conquer the market and you can't compete with them, since they risk supermarkets and billions of money to conquer market, all international or German companies. We have small towns of 5000 people where 5 big supermarkets constructed their buildings, you know well only max 2 going to survive. Farmers in EU lived only from subventions and repairs from elements. I had driven around and got offers from farmer to give me potatoes for free, since he will have more expenses transporting them, so if i come pick them up, which i did, then he doesn't needs to dispose of them. Such is life of native farmers.
>>80587813
I don't say it's wrong, I'm saying that is not a valid source.
>>80587689
you have some cheaper stuff and some stuff that costs 70% more, yet you make 2x as much money, so yes food is pretty expensive here
>>80587479
And subsidies are solving this how, exactly? You're keeping unprofitable, dead-end businesses alive that have no chance at ever modernizing. Especially the Italians and French are notorious for not modernizing their industries. It's not just food, either.
>>80587813
Enacting TTIP would be a fucking disaster for everyoen involved. I doubt it will be an issue any time soon though. EU can't take more hits to its popularity right now, and TTIP is massively unpopular.
>>80586659
solution is universal basic income https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvgdtF3y0Ss
>>80585722
>yes goy, sell your unprofitable land, we'll but you out for pennies...
>>80588005
How would this even work?
European agriculture is a joke. Inefficient and subsidised absurdly. Eg average german cow farmer has 35 cows average new zealand farmer has 315 and even after shipping the product around the world twice still has a lower carbon footprint stick with things your good at
>>80585722
letting capitalism run rampant was a mistake. you know this when there is dire need for food one day but you cannot get it as your own area/country has none of them for not being profitable enough. then you have to become slave to another country or power or go to war with them
rampant socialism was a mistake. rampant capitalism was a mistake. both end up being promoter of enslavement of the europeans
>>80585722
http://www.exposingtruth.com/new-un-report-finds-almost-no-industry-profitable-if-environmental-costs-were-included/
"The report found that when you took the externalized costs into effect, essentially NONE of the industries was actually making a profit. The huge profit margins being made by the world’s most profitable industries (oil, meat, tobacco, mining, electronics) is being paid for against the future: we are trading long term sustainability for the benefit of shareholders. Sometimes the environmental costs vastly outweighed revenue, meaning that these industries would be constantly losing money had they actually been paying for the ecological damage and strain they were causing."
>>80588281
Personally I blame the boomers.
>>80586337
Hey look its Owen Jones
> Supports the implementation of benefits and welfare
> Slags off the unproductively of the citizens in that system while praising those not "beneficiaries" of it.
see what I'm getting at?
>>80588890
>globalization
Boomers made it happen.
>>80588890
>>80588709
Yes goyim.
Its the boomers and the globalization
>>80588629
The thing is that world should not be ruled who can easily be corrupt but science and facts.
We should start using technology like blockchain that's very hard to manipulate to keep track on our resource use.
>>80587888
Now this is much better. Stop giving bullshit source, it will damage us anti- TTIP.
>>80586460
>benefit of being out of the EU is we can now bail out and protect our industries.
Protect busyness from competition means it's rot and degradation. Ms Tatchet didn't teach you anything.
>>80585722
I guess this is the same for farmers all over Europe
>Danish farmers
>Business not going well, needs EU funds
>EU rules make farmers life even harder
>Farmers shill for EU because they get money from them
>??
I can't take this fucking globalist bullshit anymore.
>>80587689
>live in state of gold billion based on liberalism and free market
>hate liberalism and free market
Does not compute it
Pidorashcus vulgaris as is
>>80590088
The ride will never end.
>>80590088
me too bro, me too
spaghetti is my favorite food
I always buy packs of Giuseppe Cocco Angel Hair pasta fresh from Italy
>>80585722
It will only get worse bros. im so fucking done with all this globalist shit im telling you.
>>80585722
TTIP must go down. Globalists must be named and indicted because they don't stop until they are, personally, stopped.
>>80585722
thats the point. im not sure if you father has had the talk with you yet and its not my place to do this but...
99.999999999% of all economic recoveries are just spread sheet bloat from inflation and currency devaluation. even when every one wall street included says your currency is worth the same amount companies charge more over time for lots of things so at the end of the day the currency is actually less valuable.
we call a general evaluation of a currencies actual worth in the market place buying power and all western nations have shit buying power because they have had to deal with more "recoveries" because they have played a role in the global economy from the start of fiat currencies
>>80590496
why are you against the ttip?
if it pass, you burgers should be able to fuck us even deeper with your low regulated exports.
You should also include the "quote latte" and hope it doesn't pass, the "quota vino".
>TLDR: farmers can only produce a certain amount of product, if they exceed it they have to pay FUCKING LOTS of money (the excess must be destroyed)
this is fucking retarded on so many levels
>>80590610
Globalism is bad period.
>>80585722
> Wheat price dropped of 31% since last year
You say this like it's a bad thing. Low prices are good.
>>80585722
if your agro sector can't compete it should go down. state sponsored agriculture is bullshit and should be illegal, deal with it.
>>80585722
I don't really care what happens to them, they can use corn flour for their pizza for all I care. I live in America and it's not my problem. They will just have to make due like the rest of us or die, seriously this is what we face over here. I don't need anything from that country any ways, fuck'em their banks are finished from corruption. Don't worry though we'll get ours soon enough...
>>80590562
is this english?
>>80590974
Prices are low for the companies that buy tonnes of it, which means the farms that produce it earn nothing. Then the final product that people consume (bread or pasta) is more and more expensive
Globalism is bad, so is TTIP.
But agriculture has been by default an economic loss for the past 10 years, at least.
The problem is within you, because you're backwards ass people, incapable of emerging from your comfy little shell. Italy has all the potential to fill a very solid economic void right now, the only problem is you want "muh people who say it as it is" in government, back to the traditional economies that just make no money any more and a policy that doesn't make you have to go out, be creative and compete with others.
>>80590798
Oh boo hoo, having to compete with other people makes you have to skip your afternoon espresso and need to work?
Fucking lazy bastards.
>>80590991
come on what are you saying.. do you prefer italian wine or turkish wine? italian extra virgin olive oil or tunisian one? italian durum wheat or the fucking american one?
olive oil, milk, cheese, wheat, wine, apples, oranges, pears and all the mediterranean vegetavles and fruit should all be strong exports in italy instead these are not even properly sold in italian soil
>>80592232
>>80592303
nice stereotypes. italian farmers are everything but lazy
>>80586136
>>80587033
>>80587106
>>80587160
>>80587231
>muh key industries
Sure, vote lega, vote m5s, enjoy being lazy and slowly seeing any sort of living standard being drained away.
>>80592473
No, you're all lazy bastards. Because you are suddenly faced with a more open market and competition even in sectors where you traditionally dominated and you suddenly want everything to go your way.
I got bad news for you Mario - competition is tough. If the other country can produce more wheat at a cheaper price and comparable quality, you're fucked. You have to take it like a champ and refocus on high-quality pasta or whatever.
Germans are starting to beat you in cars?
Find a niche, fight them in it.
But no, you just want lega or whatever to magically bring back the old times where they were good and the new where you need it.
>>80587813
while I find TTIP and free trade to be inherently evil, the ISDS provision is the least of TTIP's problems. Most cases are settled out of tribunal, and those that are taken to a tribunal usually end up in favor of the defendant. Furthermore the damages tend to be rather low except for a few high profile cases.
>>80588005
This. Increase corporation tax and top rate tax to raise extra money. Scrap current bennies system and red-tape that goes with it.
>>80592863
>corporations and the wealthies leave the country for some place that has some inhabitants
Frexit when
>>80593217
>exiting your own creation
God I despise you frogs
Does this mean I can buy a Tuscan villa now?
>>80593357
>lelgium
maybe that's just me but I think protectionism of one own food production is very important for various reasons.
>>80593568
>implying you're not a bigger joke than Belgium
How's all that debt going?
It's only a matter of le pen and frexit, right?
>>80593357
Shut it, you weird, loser cousin. The grown ups are having a conversation.
>>80593357
>t, non country
>>80593698
>France
>grown ups
Not your cousin froggie.
Go surrender to an Algerian.
>>80593698
>cousin
wallonia is getting a genocide, kill yourself pierre
>>80593728
>bad-mouthing your own country
Lel
>>80593919
> Call me maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTZzk-_Qh4o
>>80585722
just start put some "cruelty free 100% vegan no ubercolorants etc etc" and sell it 10x price to some ignorant faggot, works fine and you dont even need to mass production shit
>>80585722
Wtf I love the TTIP now
>>80594030
B-but Luigi, that would require work and creativity and discomfort.
Can't I just vote M5S and have them fix it?
>>80593975
>try to trigger a person from a country full of immigrants with 0 nationalism and literally no one liking Brussels
>"I know! I'll post something insulting about Brussels!"
I thought you were cleverer than that, Adolf.
If euro edible products are that great we just need somebright spark to export them where people are willing to spend for good products
Aka china
>>80587528
>sugar root
Would that be the same thing as sugar beets? I worked a few falls hauling them for extra money.
>>80594113
yeah i get your point f.a.m
whining is soooo much our best skill
of course M5S will kick out of our proud nation all this saracin wheat that is infesting our holy ground
>>80594583
Of course they will, surely no one has ever been all about fuck the institution and promising exactly what you want and then betrayed you completely and fully once you put them IN the institution.
Right?
Plus they're YOUNG. And they use THE INTERNET. That's totally enough reason to believe them fully.
>>80587052
Probably, same in Belgium here, value of dairy, cereals, meat, everything is going down the drain and I know a few farmers that say they're really close to stop their farm
>>80594791
>Of course they will, surely no one has ever been all about fuck the institution and promising exactly what you want and then betrayed you completely and fully once you put them IN the institution.
strawmanning so hard
>>80594997
wtf I am now a #stellaronzo
>>80594997
urinotherapist detected
>>80594791
some of them are ok actually, but the bad ones more than make it to make them look retards
>>80595209
>some of them are ok actually
Pretty much everyone who hasn't been a part of the institution and is outside is ok, until he gets in.
>>80585722
Well Wheat can still be produced and sold to local markets in Italy and neighbors .
>>80590991
I'd agree with you, but a country needs to be able to feed itself.
When the west collapses, and it's when not if, there are few countries who can actually sustain themselves.
>>80593193
We introduce capital controls. Sure they can leave but their money can't. Before UBI can really work, the tax havens need to be shut down. Then countries in the west simply need to standardise corporation tax, at least to a degree.
>>80595274
>Pls Mario. Come live here if you vote PD. It's too easy to fuck up this country by voting for shitheads whiel living abroad
>implying
I'm not italian. I just mostly like you. And prefer you to most European nations. So I'd very much like there to be a strong, developed Italy.
And it frustrates the fuck out of me that you fuck yourselves over constantly.
I'm not shilling for PD either. I'm shilling against M5S and lega, two idiotic movements who offer literally nothing and will only lead to negative results.
Agriculture is for 3rd world countries
Too unreliable, and hard to keep healthy
Can't they just make wine instead of wealth ?
Or just industrialise ?
>>80595508
Voting/democracy isn't as simple a process as that. I know most southerners get it wrong, considering I am southern as well.
21st century offers you a unique advantage over the elite - the polls. You watch the fucking polls.
So, I'd say it's in your interest to have the PD in power now. It's also in your interest to have it there just barely and under extreme pressure.
Basically, don't vote if you can get that result and they can see less votes, vote someone else if they get too far ahead, vote them if someone might sneak in instead of them.
And if they fail to improve while under pressure, then think about someone else.
If someone genuinely BETTER shows up, vote for him.
In the current situation - as I explained. Have them in power, under pressure.
>>80595610
>economic sense from France
Well I'll be.
>Can't they just make wine
Oh wait, nevermind
>>80595610
go eat your frogs abdul
>>80594791
yeah, our political system needs a change, sadly it is so strong that it will probably need a full collapse or revolution to change it
![1460619723777[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vhWWYYN.jpg "1460619723777[2].jpg")
>>80585722
Developed countries don't grow wheat. Poor states do that, and we import it from them.
Moving towards a service economy rather than an agrarian one is progress.
Stop being bitter that things are changing, especially when they are changing for the better.
>>80595883
>a full collapse or revolution to change it
A revolution won't erase your mentality or habits. Or culture.
>80595899
That was what I wanted to say
>>80595610
>Agriculture is for 3rd world countries
Main wheat exporters:
USA, Canada, Argentina, Australia, Russia
Don't blame us if your agriculture can't compete. Every country has comparative advantages.
Doesn't the EU have farm subsidies anyway?
>>80595899
>Poor states do that
>we import it from them.
>literally trying to say you are not a poor country
Your logic is very solid and I like your point, but come the fuck on, who do you think you're fooling
>>80596059
>Doesn't the EU have farm subsidies anyway?
They exist because Luigi and Pierre cried to the germans that they don't want to have to close their farms and refocus production on something better.
Completely scrapping CAP would do two things:
1) Cause major short-term unemployment
2) Deliver major long-term economic benefits
>>80595899
>Developed countries don't grow wheat.
Where is this meme coming from?
>>80596103
>i have nothing to say, so i'll insult you based on your ip address
Now if I were petty, I'd look at your other 15 posts and find something to point at and laugh, or just remind you that Belgium is a non country, without a nation, an artificial tumor meant to weaken the Dutch and French states a long time ago, and its purpose since forgotten.
Instead I'll just wish you a nice day.
>>80596059
>>80596216
It's because they're talking about regular wheat production, i.e. traditional farming.
The US does it in a competitive, technologically advanced way. That that is when you can do it is incomprehensible for some people.
javascript:quote('80596059')
Yeah USA: Empty land
Russia :empty land
Canada too
And Argentina too
Europe is overpopulated in comparaison
>>80595965
true. but after disasters people always try to do the best they can, so at least we get a little break from degrading society...not saying it's best or forever but it's something
>>80595899
when did bulgaria even get internet
>>80596303
>insult you based on your IP address
Aйдe дa нe ce лъжeм...
>>80596351
>when did bulgaria even get internet
Bulgaria has extremely fast and cheap internet and it's funny that you'd say that, considering you're one of the countries with the worst internet coverage in the EU.
>but after disasters people always try to do the best they can
You are kind of in a post-disaster period now...
>>80596377
Флaгoвeтe идвaт oт ИП aдpeca, тaкa чe дa, oбиждaш нa ИП aдpec, вмecтo дa чeтeш пocтa и дa ce apгyмeнтиpaш cpeщy нeгo.
Argue the point, not the man. And especially not the man's IP address.
Can't you just understand that there is no room for fucking giant farms in Europe and that we don't want to use toxic stuff to be competitive with you ?
>>80596474
>no referendum on wether we want to stay in the EU and mantain the Euro
That is colossaly stupid
>Unemployment currently keeps growing
That is only slightly the governments fault. There is little they could do to improve that.
>black labor "solved" by legalizing it
That is the way to solve it. See: most other developed countries and how they solve similar problems.
>People are leaving in droves, but apparently this is not a problem. It doesn't indicate that the country is going to shit
Not something the government can improve right now and it's something that's happening in practically every southern European country.
>Taxes constantly increasing despite him saying they would go down (this blocks and form of private investment by the middle class into the economy)
Yes, that is bad.
>we keep bailing out shitty banks instead of letting them fail because the EU commands us to (and we use public money)
You have no choice and literally any government you had would have to do this.
>crime rapidly increasing and absolutely zero steps towards modernized self defense laws. My family's shop has been burglarized 3 times in 9 onths already
Sounds like the first tme Italy has had problems with that, imo.
>borders wide open for both niggers
Alright
>low quality crap products, with all industreis leaving and thus contributing to the enormous unemployment.
Welcome to the 21st century and competition. Enjoy your stay. It's the price you pay for having netflix and an ipad or whatever.
>And the only thing the government worries about is gay marriage (apparently a very urgent need)
I dunno senpai, I think the biggest worry right now is the senate. Which is a good direction to go for.
>>80593656
i agree.
>>80585722
same shit in turkey, so now the government is leasing farmlands from africa.
lol belgium non country retard
>compete niggers! dont be lazy!
t.race to the bottom
>>80585722
TTIP is going to crash your food production. With no survivors.
>>80597549
>I'd say that's a reason for at least asking the population if they wish to continue this way. Otherwise we might as well go back to Mussolini's time were "il duce ha sempre ragione" and we are supposed to suck it up
We are in that time. Except it's not Mussolini, it's a combination of the world's elite. And yes, you have to suck it up that they want you to bail banks and you have no choice.
> Also a priority, instead of padering to gays just to stay in power, should be that of making investments in Italy more attractive by removing some of our bureocracy.
I wholly agree with this. But bureocracy is the symptom of a failed political system with far too much of its own going on. That goes through senate shit (see below)
>So much for workers' rights and respecting the laws uh?
It's not that I don't agree with you. But you can't, in the current situation. Your best bet right now is to legalize it and try to bring it in order.
>We are plagued by crime and it's increasing exponentially
I was being sarcastic.
Crime is a symtpom.
> If at the same time we have an intelligent policy to attract investment,
Again, fixing the bureocracy and corruption is first and foremost.
>I'd say unemployment is. Removing the senate only serves in removing a buffer for our democracy and only aids in consolidating power
That;s the crux of the issue. The senate doesn't serve as a buffer, it serves as something that makes the political class its own construct. As long as the senate exists as it is, a government can never have enough power or possibility to fix all those things you listed. Obviously they're all problems, but you can't begin fixing them until you've fixed that which prevents you from fixing them.
And I know how you all cry about them consolidating power, but a government needs to have power in order to change anything.
I also recognize that it's the left's own fault for bitching about the right consolidating power.
>>80597547
>t.race to the bottom
Senpai, if we're going by flags, you're fucking Portugal...
>>80585722
>NAFTA #shrecks Mexico
>Surely this will work on a larger scale!
>>80597899
our Retard-in-chief is obviously in favor of it:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-usa-trade-italy-idUSKBN0NT1P720150508
>>80598483
He can't be stupid enough to not understand the consequences, shit's pretty obvious. That means he's a globalist good goy.
Pretty sad actually. They will try real hard to push TTIP. And that means we're going to eat Monsanto shit very soon, because local farmers just won't be able to compete under TTIP.
Well I won't buy monsanto shit and I will buy Italian vegetables,even if they are more expensive.
If we all do this there wouldn't be theese issues
>>80585722
30% of EU's budget is already farm subsidies
Guess you'll just have to increase that to keep you lazy wops competitive.
>>80586460
Dairy milk is in the same boat in the U.S. I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head, but memory says store markups are 200-250%
Which bites, as I drink a gallon a week.
>>80588697
this means africa is actually the most profitable continent on the entire earth
>>80603493
The problem with Africa is that the lack when it comes to necessities. Even if all countries and corporations would pay their environmental costs Africa would have to buy food and water from the rest (price would include environmental cost and profit).
Most of their land is just not suitable for farming.
>>80586920
You occupy a niche by producing flowers and cucumbers, we can't eat sustain the population with that, we need cereals too.
>>80586986
Hegemony in producing trash, your food is literally poison, that's why you are disgusting diabetic fat fucks. I don't want your shit here and never will, it already break my heart to see fatties buying your soda shit every week at the grocery store.
>>80596059
The EU subsidies are a Kafka trap:
- they force the farms to buy special type of seeds and chemical if they want them
- they fix price of subsidies depending what you produce, so most of the people produce the same shit which in return mechanically diminishes the sell price of the production which make them even more dependant in subsidies
The PAC is an a bad model but at the same time we can't really end it because EVERYONE outside do the same.
For example the US are massively subsidizing their agriculture too.
>>80605828
>Most of their land is just not suitable for farming.
What?
>>80605828
That's because niggers can't farm.
Look at Rhodesia and South Africa.
>>80595365
Don't be ridiculous. They'll just find a way to change their assets to other forms or just corrupt shit like until today.
