Help me understand how a country can just...die like this. It's scary to be extremely honest
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-population-snap-story.html
>>80498823
Better to simply die than being the reanimated hollow shell of your former self yelling ALLUAH AKBAR ALUAH AKRBAR for an eternity.
>>80499068
They are likely to be replaced by a third world immigrant population within a century...
>>80498823
>how a country can just...die like this
They're not. The population is regulating itself, it'll be fine. Japan is one of the most populous countries, the Tokyo Metropolitan Area is the most populated metropolitan area. Population does not always have to increase.
>>80499329
>implying the JSDF will allow that shit
>>80499329
Here's a question, why the fuck do you choose to stay in a country that's literally 90% nigger?
>>80499329
They can join the club then. I thought japs were better than that.
>>80498823
>south africa
>talking about other countries dying
now i have seen everything
>>80498823
Japan has too high population density. Further growth would mean a degrade of living conditions. Yes they will face economic recession, but at least they will still exist as a people
>>80499329
Those third world immigrants will be coming from Germany in a century yelling Alluah Akbar
>>80498823
Japan will be fine dude.
>>80499640
I'm trying to learn here, the reasons for my country's decline are extremly obvious. Your country's situation is harder to understand.
>>80498823
There is literally nothing wrong with having a reduced population. It just doesn't look good on your economic papers.
Japan having 126 million population.
Why western media only focused Japan?
fuck you.
>>80498823
This is what happens when goverment becomes nothing more than an sidekick of capital and citizens are reduced to working slaves measured in GDP they produce.
Place economy before your nation and you get Germany.
Motto of modern capitalsm is work to death.
It's implied that if you work enough you will have access to more money. In fact most of populations in developed economy oriented on economy working their ass off daily just to not fall to the bottom and poverty.
It's not leftists who kill the nations, it's capital who made your goverment place abstract statistics and corporations before people.
>>80499943
and that really bothers Semites who hate racial integrity and place economic development as the highest glory
filthy Heebs
>>80498823
When a homogeneous country starts to overpopulate, people start to just not fuck.
>>80499858
so you think population should just increase indefinitely until... until what, exactly?
>>80498823
Globalisation
>>80498823
>130 million Japs currently alive
>several million being born every year
They're achieving a stable equilibrium with their tiny as fuck, overcrowded islands.
When I was in Japan I felt like I would go crazy because of all the fucking people everywhere. I bet every japanese feels subconsciously that it is wrong to have children because of the overpopulation. When the japanese population goes down to around 60 million the birth rates will pick up again. Just some banker concerned with his quartely dividens sees this as a national disaster instead of a natural progression back to equilibrium.
>>80500232
Your population is declining at a rate that will lead to an economy that can't support itself within 100 years at most.
>>80500232
You have to remember that most economies and social security systems are very close to pyramid scheme scams. They base their survival on constant growth. That's why people invented the population growth meme and that's why they push immigration so much.
>>80500400
>OY VEY you filthy Japanese goyim
>it's over
>just open the floodgates to the Africans and Muslims already
>>80499994
Because if they focused on Western Europe many of the hypnotised state addict white people would wake up -- Hello, there is problem, we are decreasing in numbers exponentially! -- and start procreating. Now if people procreate in your country you will lose money, women won't work, you won't be able to tax them, the state would have to finance education and healthcare of the children. No, better just keep those white people docile and import those migrants who will all give their vote to the establishment so more migrants can come. The state is just this oligarchic circlejerk of power addicts who would sell their own mothers just for a hair of more power.
>>80500400
>Extrapolating 100 years into the future
I bet you can't even correctly predict the next 5 years but still you know what will happen in 100 years.
>>80500400
>an economy that can't support itself within 100 years at most.
>only human labour can create wealth
Get a load of this meatbag.
>>80498823
Japan really needs to accept more immigrants.
>>80498823
They will simply bring in more chinese.
China ha been limited to have les kid ech year, it only makes sense for the Chinese government to lift this law and starts selling human resources to Japan.
>>80500858
I agree. They really need some mudslimes to shit all over their country and rape their children, that will surely help.
>>80498823
It won't die. Infinite population growth for the sake of infinite economic growth is unsustainable to anyone who can see more than 5 minutes into the future. The population just needs to normalise, but unfortunately they'll probably end up importing third worlders to keep the ponzi scheme going and destroy Japan like we're doing in Europe.
>>80498823
just think about the numbers. they want every couple to have 3 or more children. even 2 is not enough as it only replaces and there's no "growth", and this is if every male and female were magically paired up. the only people who do this are shitskins, and they have much more than 3 too, as they don't think about consequences and only about the fucking.
>>80500704
Long term, general predictions are easier to make accurately than short term, specific ones.
>>80500730
I didn't consider this desu. I suppose it'll be a major factor in the future of japan. There isn't really a lot of information availible on the future of robotics publicly, not that I've seen anyways.
>>80500637
I don't propose any solution. I just want to see if there's anyone on pol with a good understanding of the problem.
We're going to make robots and to be AI
>>80500400
World population will eventually peak and begin to decline. Are you saying that once the population comes back down to 7.4b, roughly the number today, we will be unable to support ourselves despite supporting ourselves with 7.4b people previously? Similarly, the population of Japan was 92m in 1960 and they were doing just fine then.
If the population is older, it just means older people need to either work or find means to reduce the work required by humans. The good news is that we have been finding means to reduce the work required by humans for virtually everything humans do over the past 300 years. I don't expect that to suddenly stop.
>>80501187
Well robotics will change the way we think about work in about decade, not 100 years. People are already bringing production back from Asia because price of robots is the same and they skip shipping costs. Cheap labour countries are in for some deep shit.
>Japan is dying!
>Japan, why are you allowing yourself to die!
>Why don't you let immigration help you
I bet I know who's behind these threads.
>>80501341
But there isn't a problem. If you pay attention to data from other prefectures, they're doing fine and they can take care of themselves just fine.
>>80501187
>There isn't really a lot of information availible on the future of robotics publicly, not that I've seen anyways.
Japan knows their population will shrink. They know they don't even want to encourage more population growth on their tiny island. So they are busy developing replacement robots for EVERYTHING. Nurses? Replaced by robots. Cashiers? Replaced by robots. Delivery workers? Replaced by drones. They want to replace everything.
and?
Japan should accept immigrants from africa?
you gaijins stop make those Japan dying thread if Japan accept amount of immigrants?
>>80500980
Not all muslims are rapists, stop generalizing whole groups of people you simpleton.
>>80501633
The fastest way for Japan to die is to open your doors to wave after wave of immigrants.
It's women and men's fault there. Women aren't putting out so men turn into weebs. The artificial womb couldn't come any sooner. We will rebuild the Germanic race
>>80501719
It's ironic and funny how these retards don't see that yet somehow less breeding means Japan will die. Pretty damn funny.
>>80500449
You are very wise, Poland
>>80501718
But all the rapists up to this point during the "Refugee" crisis have been from Islamic countries and practice Islam.
>>80501718
>>80498823
This is kike propaganda.
Japan, and other developed countries, are just returning to their old, pre-World War 2, pre-Baby-Boom population numbers that previously sustained their countries for centuries and centuries before that point.
The post-World War 2 Baby Boom was an UNNATURAL population boost, not the other way around. Its rediculous to have your entire economy depend on even more unnatural and explosive Baby Booms for all of eternity, especially when your infrastructure can only handle so many people.
>>80501761
Its women's fault*
FTFY. I would have a lot of motivation if women simply stuck to their damn roles. now I just don't care anymore.
>>80499465
This
Why the fuck does the rest of the world get so panty twisted with japan? They're going to be fine. Europe points its fingers and goes "IMPORT THOUSANDS OF UNSKILLED REFUGEES JAPAN. ITS YOUR ONLY HOPE"
>>80498823
They can stand to lose population, not gain uneducated, unskilled workers who will never be accepted into society
>>80498823
the jews are really trying to force Japan to embrace third world immigration isn't it?
Every month there is another article out fearmongering about what will happen to Japan if they don't open their borders.
Stay strong Japan.
>>80501718
Perhaps not all, but enough to know that mass importing them is not a good idea.
>>80501718
Like half of the 21 refugees Japan screened and let in are in Jap prison for rape.
>>80498823
Was there ever a nation in recorded history that just stopped existing because the people wouldn't breed?
>>80498823
Japan should accept more people.
However, they should adopt Korean policy something they did during their occupation of Korea.
YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR NAME TO JAPANESE, YOU MUST ADOPT THE CULTURE, ETC.
>>80501718
Japan rejected 99% of asylum applications last year and only allowed in 27 people.
2 already got arrested for rape.
>>80502202
Oh and they must screen people before allowing them in, cultures from them middle east have a rape culture that's something you cannot allow.
You people deny the problem without posting any evidence that there is in fact not a problem. This is because you all see the solution that the elites will apply (ie. Mass immigration) and strongly oppose it. Consider that the same people who are going to apply this solution, are responsible for the problem in the first place.
>>80501341
it's not a problem unless you're a filthy Jew who only cares about money
>shrinking population
y'know Japan, there is a very humanitarian solution to this dilemma...
>>80498823
>Japan refuses to give in to immigration
>Hold deep honor in its race
>Villages and towns outside of main capitals begin to dindle
>They begin to crumble into ruins
>Wild animals roaming ghost towns
>Vegetation overgrows roads, beaches...
>Wildlands, untouched for years
>Tourists from around the world pay money to see old Japanese villages and towns as ruins
>Other world countries flourish and advance
>Japanese capitals infested with robots
>The last remaining population of japan creates extremely powerful and destructive automatons as a last resort of self defence against foreign threats
Its a sad future for japan.
>>80502202
They already do that shit but it's more like a "peaceful" segregation. (i.e. I'll learn the Japanese standard and won't change your ways.)
>>80498823
Look up the "Universe 25 experiment".
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/?no-ist
Explains metrosexuals ("beautiful ones"), gangs, otaku culture, depopulation, parental neglect, social decay, etc.
>>80502202
yes ofc they should
Little Trayvon and Achmed will be just like the nips as long as they change their names to Yokomoto
Population should start to stagnate everywhere. There are too many people in the world as it is. Hopefully making gays accepted, birth control, abortions, and making drugs legal will help population control.
>>80502444
>>80499943
This makes me think of the stock market mentality where a company must always grow. This forced growth ends up hurting companies and product in the end more than helping. It's not enough to make a good product and run a good business you have to keep growing, i don't know why people can't just realize that infinite growth is not possible.
>>80499465
/thread
Human population will fall to 500 million in perpetuity.
>>80501624
Is that out of what seems to be a Persona comic/manga?
Either way, saved for future use, thanks man
>have a big baby boom
>time passes
>boom generation starts dying off and population declines
As robotization increases, the need for a large population declines.
Japan will be fine. If it really becomes a problem they can simply force the population to breed by taxing the everliving shit out of singles and childless couples.
>>80499465
This, too many people in too dense of cities.
Look at Singapore's birthrates, they went to shit too because of population density.
>>80498823
>all of this just because governments prefer to Jew people out of a decent life rather for medium term GDP gain rather than let them have kids for long term gains
Reminder that all that shit is due to people, both men and women (women being into it is the key point), being jewed into being stressed out sarrarymen/sarrarywomen until they're too old to make kids anymore.
Just let off the pressure, stop insisting that women all work full tine, have natalist policies and guess what, your problem will sort itself out! It's not like their nutsacks ain't working anymore.
>>80502358
There is no problem. The only argument I see is that they need an ever increasing population in order to maintain a ponzi scheme pension system. That's it.
The solution the elites offer is to accept waves of third world peoples with their backwards culture into our nations to increase the population. So what happens when the third world finally catches up and the global population begins to shrink? Will the elites be pushing us to grow babies in artificial wombs and raise them in state owned orphanages to keep the population growing?
>>80502358
The evidence in quite simple. See >>80501502
Populations have been lower before. An aging population is irrelevant if people either work until they are older or find more efficient ways to produce goods. I have about 300 years of hard evidence that humans find more efficient ways to produce things.
>>80502843
It's just artstyle.
>>80498823
That has to do with everyone moving to the cities for work though. It's not the population loss. It hasn't even begun.
>>80502768
Infinite growth is the basis of our entire economy. Our economy is literally modeled on cancer.
>>80502606
Thank you anon. I never thought the best contribution to my thread would be from a leaf poster.
>>80498823
It's not dying. Population density is too fucking high, so people aren't having kids, allowing that pressure to ease. Heck, the last census actually indicated the birth rate went up slightly.
The only reason populations have to constantly grow is if you want a massive number of poor fuckers with no future to use as your wage slaves. Japan isn't that way, just countries that advocate for (((multiculturalism))).
>>80498823
Low population is only bad for rich people and government.
Why do people from outside of Japan comment that Japanese will die, when they're the ones that encourage debauchery and mass immigration thus killing them faster than Japan?
>>80498823
yes south africa you would say this shit.
betcha one of the people that is more than willing to help out japan ehhh.
>>80499068
i agree
>>80499465
this is also true
i have no idea where this mentality of NOT GROWING=DEATH. in my opinion decline=death it merely looks like self regulation if the japanese population goes down even more but manages to hover at that lower number its fine imo
>>80499576
he is a nigger.
>>80499640
LOL JAPAN WITH THE BANTZ
>>80499744
agreed
>>80499994
ITS LITERALLY A CONSPIRACY. im not kidding.
>>80500101
people seem to think japan is dying. i do not think it is. capitalism isn't the perfect system but sure as hell beats the god damn alternatives.
>>80500313
good eye
>>80500637
lol what the western media and its owners want of japan :^)
>>80500730
i await the robot overlords
>>80500858
>>80500980
>>80500878
>>80501633
>>80501719
>>80501903
>>80502007
>>80502052
i lol'ed
>>80502202
>>80502267
honestly i think every nation should do this.
If the pensioners start being too much of a burden on the working population then Japan can always go traditional on them.
>Ubasute (姥捨て?, literally "abandoning an old woman", also called "obasute" and sometimes "oyasute" 親捨て "abandoning a parent") refers to the custom performed in Japan in the distant past, whereby an infirm or elderly relative was carried to a mountain, or some other remote, desolate place, and left there to die, either by dehydration, starvation, or exposure, as a form of euthanasia. The practice was most common during times of drought and famine, and was sometimes mandated by feudal officials.
>>80501502
>>80502962
Your argument is flawed .We can't support 2030's economy with 1960's population. The mechanisation point is interesting but somewhat ambigous.
>>80500878
>Japan is stupid enough to deliberately take net economic drains like the West
If they keep this up, Japan will be one of the most mechanized societies in the world and laughing at the teeming poor-hordes in Europe and US as they're the only ones that don't breed themselves to death.
>>80498823
Japan needs more diversity and multiculturalism if it wants to live. This is proof diversity is our greatest ally. /pol/ BTFO.
>>80502186
no, unless they get subsequently invaded
then again I'd think people not breeding for decades at a time is a pretty novel thing
>>80503068
Look at the effects of the black death on the labor class that survived. They were able to negotiate better pay and work conditions because of labor shortages.
>>80503242
Should have put em on an iceburg
>>80503244
>We can't support 2030's economy with 1960's population.
Please tell me exactly what 2030's economy will be and why it cannot be supported with 1960's population.
>>80503023
The flaw of that thinking is that population density is high but only in the cities. This does not explain why villages has low birthrates. Due to the way world works these days there are more and more opportunities for work in cities and less and less in the countryside. This results in situation when every young person moves into city for work and stops having children due to overpopulation. What we need is motivation for sizeable amount of population to live outside big cities. Otherwise this birthrate drop will not stop when it has too. With this dynamics Tokyo will remain full even with total population of 40mln in entire Japan.
>>80498823
They aren't going to go extinct dummy, the population growth is increasing again.
God you are fucking dense and retarded, and no they don't want a bunch of niggers either.
>>80499465
Oy vey! This place is too empty! We need diversity now!
>>80498823
their government, just like ours, makes it hard to raise a family. America taxed the citizens to the point where the woman had to enter the workforce to maintain a close standard of living.
Our governments greed and power lust had destroyed the family.
McCain, Lindsey fag Graham, Mitch Mc Connell, Paul Ryan, are part of this NWO , plus all the,Dems are on board.
we have to keep our women home to raise a family. You cant let government agencies raise them like what has happened to the American Negro.
>>80503409
This. Depopulation actually resulted in better prosperity for the survivors.
As it stands, the number of people wanting resources outpaces the growth of such resources being produced. If that continues, the only possible result is less wealth for more people.
Part of why I think the nationalist-right reaction to refugees and mass immigration is instinctive. Deep down, they know it means less for them, no matter how much the government says "growth" and "opportunity".
>>80503510
Economies grow... Unless your implying the economy will shrink as quickly as the population will. This would be a devastating reccesion. If you concede that Japan will experience this reccesion then you concede there is a problem.
>>80503696
I like how clean the air is
>>80503244
>We can't support 2030's economy with 1960's population.
Two centuries ago 80% of the population in Europe was farmers. This was because you needed 80 farmers to produce enough food to feed 100 people.
Today, Europe's farming population is 2-3%. And they produce enough food not for 100 people but for 300. This is why European farmers throw food at politicians whenever they protest, why Europe feeds almost the entirety of Africa for free. All this is done thanks to technology invented in the past 50 years.
Are you seriously telling me we should expect worse productivity in the future when the world's greatest minds are currently busting their asses thinking up ways of how to increase it even further?
>>80498823
They were living like sardines in the 90's
This is good for them
>>80503561
>This does not explain why villages has low birthrates
>20 people in village
>4 people moved out
>2 kids were born
>birthrate 0.5
Like this.
>>80503696
oy gevalt I can see some green, quick, let's build refugee centres there to cover up that problematic vegetation!!
>>80503832
Every year less and less people are needed in most industries, yet the economy grows.
Technology will save Japan, not negroes.
>>80503832
The next age is the age of the robots.
Why do you think the discussion about UBI is flaring up? There will be far fewer jobs in the future.
>>80502226
Pure coincidence.
>>80503858
Like I said I am not very well informed on this aspect of the issie however, the relative silence on the matter by the media seems to imply that there is no great solution in the works that we can rely on. Unless you can give me a source that explains what new invention will replace +-40 million Japenese workers.
>>80499994
Look at how much time the article spends talking about immigration. This isn't a "japan" article. this is an "immigration is good" article.
>>80503832
If, at purchasing power parity, in Country A there are 5.2m people producing $373.9b per year, and in Country B there are 205m people producing $3.2t per year, which is more prosperous? By your logic it must surely be country B.
Country A is Norway.
Country B is Brazil.
As it relates to standard of living, GDP PPP per capita matters. Total GDP does not. The only thing total GDP ever matters for is how well you can fund a war compared to your enemy.
>>80498823
We can just watch and learn. This is going to happen to EVERYBODY eventually in the next decades.
>>80504097
The economy grows?
The japanese economy hasn't grown at all since the 90's. They've been stuck in this weird low interest rates, deflation, 0 growth spiral.
>>80498823
Someone post that story about the mice.
I forget it all but essentially they did an experiment on mice and found out that once a civilisation reaches a certain level birth rates rapidly drop because at that point you've pretty much won so who cares?
>>80498823
Once enough of the oldest population dies and there is room to expand families again the population will begin to replace itself past replacement numbers. The big issue is expense of starting/raising a family.Just like here in the West it is expensive to have children and Japan doubles down on this with some of the highest cost of living expenses.
They will need to undergo a period of economic change that will be quite savage to lower those expenses otherwise they won't be competitive with developing nations like their neighbor, China.
The men are redpilled as fuck without even realising it.
Women are NOT worth the time or effort anymore, and because of that, no children are being made.
The government needs to start investing in some pretty generous baby budgets to encourage the population to make babies again.
>>80504329
I'm no economist , but it seems to me that losing 40 million workers will negatively affect the economy however you measure it's prosperity. Remember that about 30% of the remaining population will become dependants as they age as well, this cannot be good for the overrall standard of living.
>>80504272
This. It's just another globalist puff piece. It's more directed towards Americans to push for Japan to change, because certainly no Japanese is ever going to read about it.
>>80503561
I do agree with that- localized density is indeed part of the negative pressure on the birth rate, and decentralizing a bit would help there as well.
Mind you, I'm very familiar with the whole thing on a local level. I work in transit planning in the Washington DC area, where the federal government creates an artifical "urban draw" thanks to all the bureaucracy jobs and the secondary industries created around it.
Overcentralization is the result, and that makes for a shitload of negatives that has spread further away from the capital over time as traffic and overcrowding has spiked housing costs, eaten up more time getting around, and so forth.
Given enough of this, we'd eventually end up like Tokyo around here but they're an order of magnitude worse, if not more. The current Japanese trend, IMHO is a swing of the pendulum- it'll trend excessively towards negative growth before swinging back, but not in any sense that would be fatal to Japan as a nation.
They're right to play the long game and keep their national identity intact. Mass immigration would just end up disrupting the process and fuck up the economy.
I think it's not so much about the population in general, it's that nobody in Japan wants to live in the boonies anymore, except the old people who have been living there since before everybody else left in the space of two decades. And they certainly don't want to be farming their whole lives when they could be in the big city partying and having lots of internets.
And apparently they have no equivalent of ADM to take over family farms en-masse. Not that it's easy to do that with their nearly artisinal rice farming of single old men farming a few acres each. And it's a lot easier to mass-farm large flat fields than a bunch of terraced rice paddies.
japan already has a lot of third world shitskins in its big cities. a lot of them stand on street corners handing out flyers to nightclubs. why would they want more people doing that? people whose evolved behaviors are completely unfit for east asian society?
>>80499465
This. The only people who panic about population decreases are (((globalists))) and (((bankers))). A stable population and renewable energy sources should be the two primary long-term goals of any nation.
>>80504717
>Remember that about 30% of the remaining population will become dependants as they age as well
Taxes and social security are a cancer, not an answer.
>>80500730
>dem thighs
Holy shit, pham. I think I'm in love :3
>>80504717
You're right.
20 year bond yields in japan are NEGATIVE now. It's fucking insane.
The expectations of growth and standard of living are so fucking low that people now are paying 1000 yen to get back less than 1000 yen 20 years from now.
think about that
>>80498823
they lost the war against the US
they are under US influence so why you are surprised?
you arent black so you must be a germanic
why you germanics always make stupid questions?
>>80504266
>Unless you can give me a source that explains what new invention will replace +-40 million Japenese workers.
It won't be one invention. It will be a hundred thousand little improvements over decades.
You don't need postmen if you have delivery drones.
You don't need professional drivers if you have self-driving cars.
You don't need 200 young people to start med-school so that hopefully one 3-4 surgeons can graduate 7 years later when you can have surgery robots.
You don't even need people serving in retail when you phone can tell you where the mall has hidden the XXXXL-size clothes section.
You don't need human lifeguards when you can have drones air-dropping floatation devices.
>>80504483
I'm not so sure about this explanation, tho it is best one that has been put forward ITT. Japense actually work all hours, it isn't easy to make a living over there. It seems to be the opposite situation as those mice were put in.Unless someone from Japan can tell me I'm mistaken.
Why do people in the thread keep suggesting that Japan will get its immigrants middle east or africa? Probably 90% of immigrants will be from China. Why do you stupid westerners assume the word "immigration" means blacks and arabs?
>>80502805
T. Georgia guidestonefag
>>80498823
>the yayoi japanese become extinct
>the descendents of the ryukyu and ainu battle it out in the ruines of tokyo for control of the island
Sounds pretty badass senpai.
>>80504881
It is interesting because prosperous economies throughout history are either growing or slowing, they rarely seem to flatline (0 net growth over extended periods of time).
We see it with 3rd world/poor countries get stuck in the middle income trap for a long time, but not wealthy ones. maybe japan is already the first
Also, reading the bit about bears everywhere, I couldn't help think about Kuma Miko.
>>80505061
Well they have 44 years according to current predictions. We'll see what happens, it all seems very speculative to me.
>>80503845
>>80503915
I'm not really worried about Japan. Something about having white and red as your national flag colours seems to make you based.
>>80499329
>>80499068
>implying the jap newtypes won't leave for space and leave the earth to the oldtypes
Japan is betting on automation to replace the shrinking workforce.
What ever they can't automate away. They'll fill in with Filipino work visas.
The population problem will solve it self before 2050. As the bulk of the population is old. They will die off and the population will contract. Leaving their children and grand children with a country in oversupply of housing and jobs. Leaving a cheaper cost of living and more secure employment.
As of right now, the average Japanese person feels that having a family is too expensive. Once this is no longer the case. They will have 2.5 children.
the population will stabilize, with only minor changes in size between the generations.
>>80498823
immigrants can't replace a population
they won't suddenly be Japanese
>>80504717
And eventually that 30% will all die off, seeing as they're all post-war babies that came with the baby boom.
And the, like >>80499465 said, the population will regulate itself and return to sustainable levels. Economic recession, and they've been in one for decades now, is not the end of days. It does not spell the end of a nation forever.
They can and will recover from any recession that's thrown at them
The issue with Japan isn't really permanent population growth. But what the lack of it entails.
No social programs will be able to support japanese population in 30 years. Too many old people who are retired, who just get money from the government and don't contribute to the economy
In a purely economical point of view, immigration is the only way I see to solve this
>>80505061
but think of the poor refugees!
who will give the millions and millions of desperate Africans and Arabs jobs if not the stinking goyim Japanese?
Merkel is a trailblazer and a hero.
>>80504717
You clearly don't get it. You automatically equate what is normally defined as a recession, a real decrease in GDP over at least two quarters, with lower standards of living because we have only experienced them in countries with increasing populations. If GDP goes down and population goes up, there is less productivity per capita and the standard of living necessarily falls.
Japan has a different set of circumstances. As an example of what those circumstances might be, if a country loses 30% of their population but only 20% of their productivity, their standard of living rises. Why? More productivity per person even though total productivity decreased. If, however, they lose 30% of their population and 40% of their productivity, their standard of living falls.
We cannot accurately predict how much their productivity will go down as their population ages and shrinks. We also have no modern examples of a long-term shrinking population. However, if productivity does not contract as much as population, there is no problem. If productivity contracts more sharply than population, there is a problem. As someone who knows what the industrial and scientific revolutions have done for productivity, I'm optimistic about the future in this regard.
The real problem is that they're an occupied nation. Say what you will about declining population, but the presence of foreign troops is not good for the soul.
>>80502202
Or, just do not let anyone in. There is no problem in Japan, the population will balance itself out and ro otics is making a lot of progress in Japan compared to other nations thanks to their non-cuck mentality of telling foreigners to fuck off.
A sovereign country is free to decide who it lets in and who it keeps out.
>>80505197
>Probably 90% of immigrants will be from China. Why do you stupid westerners assume the word "immigration" means blacks and arabs?
Because China itself is experiencing a population crash. And the China-Japan-Korea hate triangle is legendary even in Europe. How many Chinese people will bend knee to Japan? How many Japanese pensioners will be happy with a nurse-maid from China/Korea?
>>80502422
I'm not sure how I'd react to seeing this on my nations shores.
I'd probably start with slingshot and air rifle rounds.
>>80505583
Young people have always been able to provide for old people, and worker productivity has skyrocketed in the past century. With those two things in mind, it makes sense that one young person should be able to take care of multiple old people in the near future. Sure, times might be tough for a decade or two, but the population won't decrease forever, and once it stabilizes everyone will be much better off (lower population = more resources per capita).
![canada-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FvS6zlT.jpg "canada-1[1].jpg")
>>80505480
I hope you're joking.
>>80505583
Why do you need massive social programs if your economy has plenty of jobs and cheaper costs of living from other angles?
Mega-immigration just fucks with the normal population cycles, and Japan is one of the few nations capable of shielding itself against it.
They'll do just fine in the long run. Worry more about the countries using immigration to pump a bubble that can only burst in the end.
>>80502226
Really makes you think ( and I mean REALLY, in the non-meme way, makes you fucking think).
These Paki Mudslimes are fucking trash.
>>80505787
People don't notice that China is aging rapidly, because of the sheer size of its population.
Interestingly enough, China is aging rapidly before it became rich, which is unprecedented for a county.
This is what happens when you have a workforce that have 50 hour work weeks to prop up a debtor nation.
Projected population growth is the dumbest shit EVER. Because they always take one value and project it to stay constant for the next 100 years.
It's such a retarded scammy pseudoscience.
Japan used to have 40 million population before ww2 and now they have 120 million.
If old people retire young people will move up the ladder and create families.
In germany we tried to fix the problem by importing billions of shitskins with the cause that germans breed even less.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962
Germany now has a lower birthrate than japan.
Bravo jews and bravo pseudoscience prophets.
>>80505959
>the japanese economy is doing just fine
Have you held any japanese stocks at all in the last decade?
They've been in the shitter.
This is what a couple of decades of keynesianism does to a country.
>>80498823
AS LONG AS THEY DON'T LET ANYBODY IN they will survive.
Let me explain to you, nature does not allow for a population to go to zero.
In a given population, there will be always some horny individuals, who make more than 2.1 babies.
What Japan and the West needs is time, possibly decades, for these baby-making individuals to be NATURALLY SELECTED to dominate the gene pool.
It's about people who are immune to modernity.
>tfw Neuromancer/Idoru visions of Tokyo with self-assembling arcologies and shit will never happen
>>80506154
TIL that stocks go up and down.
Color me surprised!
>>80505932
Hm, well, it all went wrong with the leaf, I think. No flag can recover from that.
Oh no! Your population is shrinking! You're probably going to go into recession in the future! The only solution is to flood your country with unskilled third worlders who don't speak your fucking language, don't follow your customs and share your culture and mix them with your population. That's right, destroy your people, culture and country so we clever kikes can continue to increase our shares and lower our costs of production! Yes, those shares and that wealth that you will never fucking see anyway but at-least the economy is growing goy! No no don't look at the distribution of wealth and the top 1/0.1% you need to look at the big picture :^).
What's that goy? You don't like these third worlders, why you racistxenophobicantisemitic bigot grant them more rights and privileges! They are minorities after all! Stop being xenophobes that's so not current millennium. Oh are these minorities now majorities? Well goy that's too bad might is right hehe be guilty of your past.
Oh would you look at this mass brown double digit horde that I have acquired that will labour on for $1 and bring me all these shekels, well I feel I have process automated now and enough shekels maybe I will just gas all these gentile hehe the irony amirite. I can't believe that goy fell for that just so he could buy his new iphone next year and boast on online forums about how his country's GDP was higher than anothers.
>>80506154
I'd say something being stable for 20 years is a good thing. Sorry you can't extract value from that, you fucking Jew.
>>80506199
?
The asset bubble burst early 90s and since then its just been pretty much pure monetary policy.
Abenomics has been the only thing close to resembling Keynesianism and thats been the last 2 years tops.
>>80505583
no. immigration will,add to and accelerate the economical situation. Government must adhere to no contrbution, no benefits.
That is the huge problem with Mexicans. Come across the border and you receive Social,Security plus a myriad of other cash benefits. Only a government trying to hinder itself would do such a stupid thing.
Only Trump addresses the huge siphon on the American economy by illegal,Mexicans.
When America stop checks day one of a Trump administration they will have to go to work to eat or self deport back to their native country.
Dont forget you wetbacks, all 20million can go be a leaf and Trudeai will give you everthing you could dream! Prolly suck your dick too!
>europe 500 milion people
>japan 1000 milion people
>japan will extinct!
kike media strong
>>80505683
So your saying that there is no accurate way to measure the decrease in productivity in ratio with the population , because we cannot predict what the technological sector will come up with. That seems reasonable , though you did acknowledge that trusting this solution requires optimism. I'm not sure if the powers that pay will have their hand stayed by pleas to be optimistic. But we will see. OP is gonna turn on his electric fence and try not to get raped by ghouls now. G'night /pol/
>>80506133
Highest birthrate in Germany is in Saxony btw. Which means: without mudslime bonus points. And they score best in education aswell. But (((diversity is our strength))), amirite.
>>80502007
Currently reading Mishima. Spring Snow is shit, but runaway horses soon.
>>80506244
>nature does not allow for a population to go to zero
Biological extinction is a myth! A MYTH I TELL YA!
Fucking retarded board
>>80503696
This looks like the borg built a city somewhere.
>>80506455
Well migrants find countless ways to scam the system, flood in all the low wage jobs and drive up rents so normal people have to work even harder and concentrate even less on making children.
Diversity kills a nation.
>>80506294
>>80506357
There big companies which used to power the economy (toyota, honda, sony, canon, sumitomo) just aren't profitable or valuable anymore.
>>80506154
>stocks are the real measure of a country's prosperity
>not quality of life, law & order
To be expected from a fucking leaf.
>>80506379
Ok... well if it's not considered Keynesian... currency and interest rate manipulation and other interventions aimed at goosing the economy.
>>80498823
Japanese govern told their citizens to have more babies and now their birthrate is up.
Article is old and you're a faggot.
Sage.
>>80506648
>There big companies which used to power the economy (toyota, honda, sony, canon, sumitomo) just aren't profitable or valuable anymore.
Well that's unfortunate, but I'm sure they'll manage to find something else to do. If everyone already has a car, make things that aren't cars that people need. If people don't need anything, relax.
>>80506664
I'm not going to stay corporations are people.
But those big companies (toyota, honda, sony etc) employ pretty much everyone in the country.
And when they are chronically losing money guess what happens? Everyone gets fired and living standards decline, as we are seeing
>>80506693
Fair enough.
In there defense I have no idea what the FUCK you do in this situation tho.
>>80506648
Japan is one of the great mysteries of modern economics
>>80506531
>Biological extinction is a myth! A MYTH I TELL YA!
You're the only retard here. 127 million people aren't just going to die out forever because their birthrate right now is low
>>80500730
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>>80502226
Jesus Christ, even with harsh background checks, that's still almost 10% cancer rate.
>>80506531
not in the sense you think about it. an external factor can kill all, yes.
but this is about not having instincts for making babies.
a population is not homogenous, it's diverse and individuals have different baby-making instincts, in context of the environment.
some decide now that it's too dense and too much work to make babies. Others don't care and make babies even in very overpopulated situations.
Some of these individuals will eventually survive into the next generation and make enough babies to sustain the population.
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>>80506842
>All the people in the US who lost their manufacturing jobs to other places should just relax xD
>>80506618
Forcibly bringing in migrants is not the way to do things but they need to cut back the ridiculous amount of taxes and regulations. It would give the people a little more breathing room and be able to expand their businesses.
>>80506438
>try not to get raped by ghouls
South Africa: 28 Years Later
>>80502444
Psychopass: the post.
>>80499593
Both of you have a high aging population. Couples that have 3-4 children are considered a "rarity" in both of your countries. You only have yourselves to blame, if you ask me.
>>80507062
If there's enough food to go around, and people have the things they want, the problem isn't jobs, because nothing needs to be produced. The problem is the distribution of money.
>what is automatization
dont fall for jewish lies
you don't need 25 gorillion cheap workers in the modern world
>>80498823
"social" democracy with a welfare state doesn't work. It makes the people sick, both mentally and physically.
>>80499465
Three posts in and it's already some extrememly dumb shit and look at all the retards agreeing with you lel
People just don't magically disappear, they get old and that means somebody has to take care of them financially, but there are not enough people to do that. Japs already have that problem, old people are literally setting themselves on fire because they are not content to say the least with quality of their life, what's going to happen next? Decreasing population is a huge sociological and economic problem, it's not just LESS PEOPLE LOL.
Once again this board shocks me with it's retardation.
Japan is replacing the population with mechanisation of jobs.
Meanwhile the west is importing pooskins and niggers.
I know which I prefer.
>>80507251
That's what every border hopper says, though.
>>80507251
What people in this thread don't realize is all the 'hurr durr' automization companies have been consistently bleeding out money for 20 years now with absolutely no end in sight
>>80507317
It's only an economic problem when your economy is a pyramid scheme
>>80501718
The sole simpleton in this thread is you, Jabar
>>80507092
The backbone of our industry, beside the big companies like BASF, VW, etc., are small, highly specialized mid-tier companies held in family hands for generations. So everything that's great about Germany is the anti-thesis of "diversity is our strength". The exception is maybe a hand selected elite of high IQ, well educated, specialists which the economy needs and who are likely to assimilate. But this is not the ideology we're talking about. Yet investing in your own population is still better in the long run.
>>80507553
This is mainly because Europe and America is buying less shit from Japan. Automation is working great in China.
>>80507250
I agree tax reform and redistribution is the best thing they can do to combat this. (Monetary policy and fiscal stimulus clearly hasn't been working).
I am worried tho that it will cause even more capital flight and even more wealthy people to leave tho.
>>80507705
China has sweatshops, not automation.
>>80507010
Is strawpoll on the spam list now too?
WTF Hiroshima?
>>80506912
That's some turbotard assumptions you made for that post.
The claim was nature does not let populations go to zero.
You have to be a serious moron to believe that. The opposite is true. Nature is the reason WHY populations go to zero.
>Subhuman Russian faggots will argue this
>>80506969
You are actually retarded. This isn't about "making babies."
Species go extinct all the time because of many reasons including competition for resources, sometimes with itself. Even humans. Ever heard of a place called Easter Island?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/fate-of-easter-island.html
I'm not trying to argue that Japanese people are going to go extinct. I'm arguing that Nature is the cause for populations to go to zero of plants, animals, and even populations of humans all the god damn time. You're a moron if you think otherwise.
>>80507820
Say that to Foxconn or any other electronics assemblers.
>>80498823
It won't die. It will have less people. Then after awhile it will have more people again. It's called a cycle. Everything in the universe is fucking analog.
>>80507317
Would you rather suffer your 90s again or have your people replaced with shitskins (and all the fun that come with them) with no guarantee that they will be able to financially support your ageing population as they mostly do not economically integrate apart from becoming a welfare liability themselves, BUT you do get a pat on the back from the television telling you that 'economy experts' have predicted positive growth in the future due to recent mass immigration and that this will continue as long as you have an open border policy, because the amount of people needed grows exponentially.
>>80498823
>120 million population
>dying out.
...................
Silly kike shill propaganda.
>>80507717
The fact that globalization has made it so easy for capital to migrate to the least restrictive country is a problem in it's own right, IMO. It disincentivizes countries managing their own economies, for fear of spooking the rich people.
>>80501718
japanese people work long hours and rarely take breaks. regardless of rape, a bunch of omars who have to constantly stop working to pray to allah are not going to assimilate well into that environment.
>>80498823
When will they start importing weebs to solve the population problem?
>>80507139
>Psycho Pass
>not Ergo Proxy
>>80505061
And then suddenly you don't need people when you have sentient machines.
>>80508074
How do we address this problem if not with global laws and institutions to enforce the which are a form of global governence...?
>>80503696
That's revolting, it's like a hive.
>>80498823
>Help me understand how a country can just...die like this.
Google 'Behavioral Sink' and you will understand.
>>80508248
Move away from globalization.
>>80498823
>http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-population-snap-story.html
>Implying having a smaller population is bad
They're not going extinct, it's that less kids are being born then old people are dying.
Japan already has major space issues. with smaller population there will be more to go around, and maybe land won't be so godamn expensive in japan.
Japan has a population of 126 million.
To put that in perspective for you, Australia has a population of around 23 million. Canada around 30 million.
Their population could be cut in half and they'd still easily be able to maintain first world status(and likely have more of everything to go around)
This is not bad. Japan is a small island nation, there's nothing wrong with it not bursting at the seams with people.
>>80508248
Who's this WE my kraut friend?
By anyone's reckoning, Germany needs to close it's mouth for awhile; take care of business at home, first.
Alles klar?
>>80498823
This is the racially homogenous paradise you've all been looking for.
Face it, without immigration this country is fucked. Japs are a race that are more interested in hentai than real women.
I read somewhere that they have a massive number of middle aged virgins.
My prediction is is that Japan will open up immigration within the next 20 years or face a crisis of excessive old people that can't do basic things to keep the place running.
I love the fact that the writer mentioned the wild animals roaming the place.
They too most accept Ahmed's dock of they want to live.
>>80508248
>>80508074
Same thing we do about countries that misbehave militarily.
Harsh sanctions against the Swiss, Cayman islands, etc. until they clean up their corrupt banking system which is literally just made for tax evasion
Japanese not having children at a steady rate does not mean they will die it, it only means that their environment is so fucking negative that it makes young people not want to have kids.
You know what'll cause people to have kids though? Affordable housing a good jobs. A happy population where you're not tempted to commit suicide if you fail your high school exam.
Japan needs to make real changes, but not to their immigration policy. They need to encourage adults to not spend all their time at work, and they need to give tax incentives for having families. Once the environment encourages growth you'll have babies.
Japan will continue shrinking, but when we're probably all dead there will be a Japan with a young population.
>>80507986
I didn't say a thing about immigration, I said that population decline is a big problem and shouldn't be brushed off like it's a non-issue.
Japs are trying to fix it by trying to bring up brith rates but they're not having any success so far, btw even if they do decide too to make their immigration laws less strict vast majority of immigrants would be Chinese, Africa is too far away and why the fuck would they even go there when there's Europe.
>>80508248
I honestly don't know. I've just been using common sense, since I don't know much about economics. It seems like a hard problem to solve. I'm guessing it didn't happen in the past due to technological limitations, i.e. people couldn't travel or communicate quickly. Maybe countries could keep their currency to themselves? So if a company makes a lot of profit in yen, it couldn't be switched to dollars. That would make international trade tricky though, but I guess that's the problem to begin with.
>>80508131
Go back to your cuckshed, Sven. Japan is not going to save you.
someone probably already posted it but their birth rate is stabilizing and at least they aren't replacing their population.
anyways, you shouldn't expect a growing population when the economy is bad and you have an extensive welfare system siphoning off of tax payers.
>>80508483
>You know what'll cause people to have kids though? Affordable housing a good jobs. A happy population where you're not tempted to commit suicide if you fail your high school exam.
Actually, the main drivers of population growth are poverty, war, famine, and disease.
People have less children when life is stable. It's primate nature. Humans are K-selected, not r-selected.
>>80499329
As long as Japan keeps the Western style PC and leftism out they'll still be able to survive for quite a long time.
>>80508659
>Humans are K-selected, not r-selected.
*Some* humans.
>>80508589
>anyways, you shouldn't expect a growing population when the economy is bad and you have an extensive welfare system siphoning off of tax payers.
Kek no.
>>80508442
Hey, stupid fucking leaf: Japan could cut it's population in half and still have twice yours. Despite being so much smaller geographically.
Is anyone talking about Canada dying out, just because it only has a population of around 30 million? no.
You don't need your country bursting with people to be successful, or be first world. All smaller populations mean for a nation like japan with 1st world infrastructure, training and education, is that living standards for each person can be higher.
Japan is not dying, it's just moving past the overpopulation it was suffering from. Japan's population is ridiculous when you consider it's actual size.
>>80508576
facku you amerika jin
I've never understood the need for a massive population especially since the average lifespan keeps constantly climbing and automatizion/robotics keep developing further and further.
Yes countries need people to live in them but eventually countries reach a point of overpopulation and it will just fuck everyone over. Though it's already too late and we will see this happen in India and China with 20-30 years.
![Japan_sex_by_age_2010[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/48kF0Nz.png "Japan_sex_by_age_2010[1].png")
>>80504329
true, the only problem here is with that kind of profile you have a low ratio of workers
>>80498823
What are you talking?
Everythings are going better in Japan now.
Thanks Abe.
>>80500730
That robot is cute! CUTE!
>>80507317
>People just don't magically disappear, they get old and that means somebody has to take care of them financially
Thats what children are for. Its not the governments responsibility. The old people are going to die and after that Japan will be fine.
You do not need a constantly growing population unless the goal is to make more money rather than have a happy population like a jew. Just waiting it out is a much better proposition than ruining the gene pool for centuries to come.
Japan is still the 4th largest economy despite the population so you are fucking retarded.
>>80499465
>Population does not always have to increase.
Ding ding ding!
>>80498823
Japan's going to be fine. A low population is only a problem for globalists.
They're not replacing their ethnic lifeblood with dumb masses that, despite never amounting to anything in their homelands, are somehow expected to become economic powerhouses in our country.
>>80507197
Just why are the rates so low? Doesn't Japan have a strong sense of family roles?
>>80509042
They're just retarded and don't realize that a small country like Japan not having nearly the same population as Russia is not a bad thing.
Japan's population is greater then that of Canada, Australia and the UK COMBINED
yet somehow, people think it falling off somewhat will kill the country, despite other 1st world nations making due with literally 1/5 the population.
>>80508514
Sorry, I thought the implication of your post was that a country will need to go down the immigration route to solve this problem.
Chinese are not that much better than shitskins (although less rape and no Islam is a bonus) for Japanese. Also believe me, as soon as there is an opportunity to ship off africans to Japan in huge numbers various 'charity and relief' organisation will quickly pop out of nowhere to help. I mean fuck there already shitskins applying for asylum there.
I do agree that it's a shitty situation for Japan but they should no means go by the immigration route and should continue with policies encouraging families. I would rather go through another great depression than crash and burn as europe will.
>>80509200
>Doesn't Japan have a strong sense of family roles?
No. Societal roles, yes but not family. The family hasn't been the main unit of Japanese society for centuries.
>>80509200
No, they don't. They only have very hierarchical social roles.
>>80505061
most of these are terrible examples that will never come true
>b-but muh singularity, muh AI, muh robots
automation has been making lots of jobs redundant for the past 160 years, but "surgery robots" isn't gonna make med students unneeded.
>>80499994
Let us gymcel weebs give your women the BWC
>>80508456
Ah, so now you want Canada to get into the international enforcement business? As such, why not start your Harsh Sanctions scheme with the swiss, first?
Here's why: the swiss could foreclose on your entire country overnight. And, with a pussy-cunt government, you'd all get eaten alive.
Go ahead and give it a go.
>>80508514
except it's not, because Japan is already vastly overpopulated for it's size.
without their big cities concentrating the population, the whole island would be bristling with people. Japan has a greater population(by far) then 90% of first world nations.
you could slice their population in half, and they'd still be more then Canada and Australia combined.
population loss is a non-issue in japan. if anything it's overpopulated right now.
>>80509588
All the examples I gave are currently in the testing stage, some have even been commercially deployed already like the lifeguard drones.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/heres-why-robots-may-someday-be-doing-surgery-independently/2016/06/10/cd4623ba-17be-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
>In experiments on pigs, surgical stitches made by autonomous robots were as good as or better than stitches made by skilled surgeons. The same may be true for human patients, according to Peter Kim, the study’s senior author.
>>80508860
what
economists have theorized that first world birth rates are low because of the cost of raising children is high. immigrants leech welfare at the expense of natives and have their housing/food paid subsidized
>>80500232
Not sure how old you are, but if you're really young, you'll notice the repercussions when you get into your 40-60's. More older people then younger people, a system that can't be supported.
Don't be fooled my Nipbro, you're falling into the Globalist trap. The globalist Jew will use this as an excuse to introduce foreigners into your country slowly but surely claiming its done to revitalize your country's dying population. Refugees from MiddleEasternstan will pour in and Aiko from Osaka will be told how good it is have a black boyfriend from Somalia and that being Japanese is shameful.
Have you not noticed that half-Japanese and half-black Miss Japan girl? She's now sporting and preaching how Japan should open up. The stage is already being set. The olympics are also coming up, your government plans to make certain parts of Tokyo less offensive thus alluring potential people to attempt to live in Japan.
>>80506244
>he thinks Japanese people will be naturally selected towards those who have a strong genetic inclination towards breeding more regardless of the necessities (working all day and having little money to start a family, plus availability of contraception/abortion)
kek, wut, doesn't make sense
this is purely an environment problem, there's nothing wrong with Japanese people, just their condition/lifestyle. They'll go back to breeding normally once those conditions change.
>>80506907
>But those big companies employ pretty much everyone in the country.
I doubt that. Its not like Ford is employing Americans.
It doesn't really matter anyway the point remains. If the population is shrinking Toyota doesn't need to employ as many people now do they.
Toyota will be around so long as people around the world want to drive their cars.
>>80508456
>>80508553
You'd need to have a strong enough power to impose these sanctions, US or EU for example, or simply both combined. But as we see now, their lobbying would undermine any sanctions against tax havens. Especially with politicians like Hillary. So Facebook finds a tax haven in Ireland, Amazon in Luxembourg, but it makes the right people rich and profits still go to the USA. Therefor it is unlikely for the USA to sanction Ireland or Luxembourg or any other country offering to be a tax haven.
So you either need a legal institution above the USA and EU, which could again be corrupted through lobbying or undermined by the USA and EU. Or you somehow self-clense yourself from special interest groups and corrupt politicians in a glorious moral purge. Also unlikely.
And then there's financial capitalism...rating agencies, world reserve currency and central banks..,
If you are on 4chan and don't think Japan is based, you need to gtfo right now now. It's one of the few criteria that seriously matters
>>80506294
>I know nothing about what happened to Japan since the 1990s: the post
>>80506317
kek
>>80508442
t. Tradeau
A few decades of economic hardship and sacrifice are worth keeping the culture, traditions, and ethnic homogeneity of the country intact
In the long scheme, even a collapse or famine might be worth it.
Japan is the only country I feel where kids might still respect and take care of the elderly, or the elderly might mass suicide if the emperor or government asked them to.
In any case, if they pull through to 2050 without too many problems while remaining 95% Japanese, we'll know for a fact Western countries were lied to, but by then it won't matter of course
>>80505489
SIEG ZEON
