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>ETERNAL THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmwqEg-06Ww
>TALKS BETWEEN LABOUR AND TORY BLAIRITES ABOUT FORMING THEIR OWN PARTY
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/10/talks-about-forming-new-pro-eu-centrist-party-reported-at-westmi/
>PRO-BREXIT LEADSOM V PRO-REMAIN MEDIA-BACKED MAY STRUGGLE CONTINUES
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/andrea-leadsom-camp-hits-back-motherhood-row-theresa-may
>ANGELA EAGLE: "C-CORBYN STOP!!! THAT'S IT, I W-WARNED YOU, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE BLAIRITES"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36756975
>UKIP IS FINISHED - PAUL NUTTALL DROPS OUT OF THE LEADERSHIP RACE, NIGGER OR WOMAN SET TO REPLACE HIM AND "RID THE PARTY OF RACISTS, SEXISTS AND HOMOPHOBES"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682752/Who-ll-end-Cult-Nigel-m-woman-UKIP-s-best-known-female-politician-says-party-shed-chauvinist-image.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36756379
>LIB DEM MEMBERSHIP 'SURGES' AFTER BUMBLASTED REMAINERS FLOCK TO THEM IN DROVES
http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/lib-dems-hit-their-highest-membership-in-a-decade-why-are-thousands-signing-up/
>THE CHILCOTT REPORT - THE MAIN POINTS
http://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/chilcott-report---the-main-points
>THE MAD MULLAH PLANS TO RELEASE A FILM ABOUT TONY THE BLOOD GOD'S IRAQ SLAUGHTER
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/07/the-killing-of-tony-blair-review-george-galloway-chilcot-iraq
>PETER HITCHENS ON SUNDAY: LEAVE BLAIR ALONE, YOU'RE ALL TO BLAME
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
>MENTAL MCDONNELL SEES THE GHOST OF THATCHER WHEN HE STARES DOWN INTO HIS TOILET BOWL
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/john-mcdonnell-remembers-lambeth-revolt/
>MORE FALSE FLAGGING IN POST-BREXIT BRITAIN AS LEFTY SLIME FAKE BNP LEAFLETS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36662887
feel the need to mute the stream whenever angela speaks
>Eagle thinks she connects better with traditional Labour supporters than Corbyn
First for Peter Hitchens is a cuck
Anyone watching Sunday Politics Live? It's your typical embarrassment from Labour
>What's the major difference between you and Corbyn?
>Er.........
What did they mean by this?
Ban on all birds of prey.
Eagle you cretin. Hope Jezza gulags her
>>80474520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3KELtDWcQU
Are Nige is on.
FARAGE LIVE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3KELtDWcQU
>>80474587
Reminder that this doesn't mean that Denmark is going to leave the EU soon
Not happening, leaving the EU by a plebiscite is a strictly British thing
Britain Elects @britainelects Jul 8
#EUref polls across Europe [Remain/Leave]:
Germany: 59 / 25
France: 44 / 33
Denmark: 58 / 29
Sweden: 54 / 30
Finland: 49 / 29
(via YouGov)
We need to vote Conservatives in 2020 to keep Corbyn out. I love UKIP but it's a matter of national security.
This whole Eagle challenge is such Blairite stalking horse
>>80474587
That we and a few of the Nordics and Eastern Europeans were the only ones preventing the EU from becoming a Franco-Germanic hegemony.
>Join the Labour Party now to vote for me so I can stop Corbyn
>I don't think that people who have joined now should be allowed to vote
THE WOMAN'S A MESS
>>80474668
>implying polls are correct
Frexit seems possibly going off what Sarkozy is saying and L Pen.
Eagle: we have to remove Jezza and stop him from being kept in power democraticly by the people FOR DEMOCRACY.
Is she literally serious?
Shes a warmonger to boot.
Corbyn is bringing hundreds of thousands of people into Labour. Could someone like Eagle even bring in a tenth of that?
>>80474668
Look at UK polling two years back, it was 60% remain
why does she keep putting emphasis on things awkwardly? she sounds like paul jospeph watson
Kind of sad she has to sacrifice herself like this so the PLP can save face and finish what it's started so it can legitimise to itself its breakaway and the start of a new party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1OurToVQRw
>d-don't bully Tony anymore
>>80474860
She's unironically autistic
>Angela Eagle
Labour is in complete and utter disarray.
Whether it's Corbyn or Eagle at the next GE (unless the Tories fuck up badly) they're going to get destroyed. Both are completely disconnected from traditional Labour supporters. The party could cease to exist very very soon.
>>80474869
>Dog Soldiers
Quality film lad
>Every Labour politician saying "I was completely against the War in Iraq"
>They had majority of MPs in Parliament when the vote was passed
>>80474948
>The party could cease to exist very very soon.
The Tories will do their best to stop that from happening
Look at Oakshotts tits.
Why is Big Boss on the front page of the BBC website?
>she blogs about feminism, politics and computer games
jesus
>>80474948
>This
It's clear that Eagle has no idea where to take Labour and neither side will honour the traditional Labour values. Mitosis when?
Conservative government confirmed for the next decade
Oakeshot is the best Isabel
>>80474922
Begins her campaign tomorrow, should be great fun.
>>80475037
Do you post anything that isn't just parroting Hitchens?
>>80475122
This.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/687986/British-student-becomes-first-female-ISIS-recruit-killed-air-strike
>>80475137
Expect many of these
>there is no way Remain can win
I will NEVER get tired of that clip
>>80475199
he saves that for when he's posting on 8ch
>>80475122
Hardman is still top tier though
>>80475246
>Canada again
DELETE THIS I KNOW IT'S THE SAME PERSON
>still moaning that they lost
Oh look, it's another BBC piece on why we voted wrong. Great!
>>80474948
>Labour Party paid-up membership surges by 100,000 since Brexit referendum to reach over 500,000
>Highest level since 1979
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/jeremy-corbyn-stands-defiant-after-labour-membership-surge
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-party-membership-applications-surge-100000-since-eu-referendum_uk_577be9e8e4b073366f0fe97f
>Angela Eagle - "I have the support to run and resolve this impasse and I will d-do so if Jeremy doesn't t-take action soon"
Eagle's own constituency party overwhelmingly backs Corbyn and tells her to drop her challenge
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-eagle-s-constituency-branch-issues-statement-supporting-jeremy-corbyn-as-labour-leader-a7124241.html
The Remain campaign should have focused on EU reforms
If they'd laid out concrete plans for achieving EU reform that sounded attainable they would have won over a lot of Eurosceptics
Of course it would all have been bollocks because the EU treatise are written in blood and inherently unreformable
>What do I care about the economy? I'm a single man with a dog
What do I care about the economy? I'm a single man on /pol/...
In 2020, if it's between Corbyn and May, I'm sorry to say I'm going to have to vote for the Conservative Party. I love UKIP and would vote for them any day, and I am certainly no fan of the Tories. But Corbyn and the threat of a Scottish coalition is a threat to national security that we cannot let into power.
>>80475429
>Highest level since 1979
when they ran on 'longest suicide note in history'? and totally split? good news
>fuck up your campaign
>blame jezz for not winning it for you
hmm
Corbyn is I think enjoying all this. He seems more lively in his speeches and debates. I think he was reluctant about leadership before but now he loves it
Will the BBC ever criticise the remain campaign?
hahaha the BBC is literally still in tears over the referendum result. So much salt and bitterness
>Take Back Control was a lie
What?
>>80475365
>all the experts said we should stay
>shows a picture of stephen hawking a fucking scientist nothing to do with anything
>waaah its not fair the minority should be the majority
>all the leavers are cis white males
>leavers are raycists and dumb
>its all jezzas fault!!!
This is horrific why is this being broadcast?
>>80475519
Don't worry pal I read you the first time
>>80475476
The promise of any reform was instantly BTFO by the deal Cameron made.
>>80475587
In 2020, we must vote Consrvatives.
>>80475397
>a complex truth against a simple lie
>nods vigourously
Grief cycle for remainers is wake up -> denial -> anger -> depression, reset next day.
>>80475587
Cunt.
>The elite still can't fathom that ignoring White Working Class Voters will bite them in the ass
Is there such a thing as a Political Consultant? I feel I could make an absolute killing stating the obvious
HO HO PETER HITCHENS HO HO RIGHT GUYS HO HO DEAD PARTIES HO HO I NEVER SAY ANYTHING ORIGINAL
Does Blair get that weird hypnotizing pseudo-charisma hat he has by sucking it out of Angela Eagle and bottling it, like he does with the blood of Iraqi children?
Jesus christ fuck me. Kezia Dugdale would be a better leadership candidate. At least she comes across as probably a nice enough person.
Cucky Carswell Coup BTFO on LBC.
Who /Yorkshire and Lincolnshire/ here?
>when a lefty starts chatting utter bollocks
>>80475703
Yes, but they wouldn't employ telling the truth. Political consultants are more like PR guys, telling people how to achieve what they want, get elected, etc.
Am I getting old or is this lady pretty fuckable?
>and now we say goodbye to Scotland who leave us now
Fuck lads gets me hard everyweek.
>>80475727
PETER HITCHENS HO HO
>>80475037
I don't know, at a UK-wide level they don't stand to lose much from it.
Though perhaps the stability of "the devil you know" and all that appeals to them...
>>80475833
Thatcher saved Labour from the SDP in the eighties, both parties know that without the ability to make their target demographics scared of the other party, almost nobody will want to vote for them
>>80475823
Is this your first time frequenting a brit/pol/ thread?
Corbyn's biggest problem will be if his PLP opponents attempt to keep him off the leadership ballot unless he can get 50 nominations from MPs. His supporters claim the constitution does not require a *sitting* leader to seek nominations.
If they resort to dirty tricks like this, expect an uprising from the rank and file.
I, YKTD, have OFFICIALLY(!) decided to endorse the Conservative Party and Theresa May. Similarly, I am now a fan of Christopher Hitchens as opposed to Peter.
>>80475823
she looks good for her late 40's. though she does have the tell-tale signs of professional-woman-high-functioning-mild-alcoholism.
>>80475679
>Remainers in eternal cycle of depression and anger
>mfw
>>80475968
Something like that would just accelerate the revolution comrade.
>>80475968
There won't be an uprising. There'll simply be an abandonment of the party for the lib dems.
>>80475988
>Mild Alcoholism
You speak like that's a bad thing
>>80475745
>Does Blair get that weird hypnotizing pseudo-charisma hat he has by sucking it out of Angela Eagle and bottling it, like he does with the blood of Iraqi children?
Yes mate, I could buy that.
>>80475796
Was that when they were saying mutilated men should be able to compete against women in sports.
The Labour leadership strategy is so easy it's farcical.
Put a leader with a northern accent but based enough for London labour supporters to find reasonable like Dennis Skinner in charge. Unify behind him, support controlled immigration and they'd win the next general election.
>>80475823
would smash
>>80476066
it was just before that when the muzzie started saying ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. i had to turn it off when they started talking about trannies
>>80476099
>support controlled immigration
That's not "easy" at all when the crowning mantra of many supporters and a majority of MPs is uncontrolled mass immigration
>>80476099
>support controlled immigration
They'd lose London so hard on that
>>80475521
>when they ran on 'longest suicide note in history'? and totally split?
That was 1983.
1979's manifesto was "Ah, we'll take 5 years out. What could possibly go wrong?" and the campaign was "HOW DARE YOU SAY WE SHOULD HAVE CALLED IN 1978? SO WHAT IF SCOTLAND SAID 'YES' AND WE IGNORED IT, FUCKING SNP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Um... I guess the Tories are bad, don't vote for them. LIBERAL TRAITORS REEEE... BUT MOSTLY FUCK THE SNP, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT WE BROUGHT OURSELVES DOWN LABOUR CAN DO NO WRONG."
"The longest suicide note in history" was really more of a policy clearance. i.e. they purposely included every stupid thing they possibly could so that they could begin weeding it out. Though without the Falklands the result wouldn't have been half as bad.
>>80475519
The SNP would act as a rationalizing force to any Labour government. Worst case, they use it to get in another referendum (which they may still lose) at some point in the future.
Which is actually hilarious. We're at the stage where Labour are so fucking useless and dysfunctional that the SNP would act to rationalize them.
Though there is no threat of such a coalition because Corbyn (if he's even still leader, god willing) will be polling at <30%
>>80475929
The Falklands was perfectly timed to fuck the SDP too.
"Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government!"
Always liked Shirley Williams to be honest.
>>80476066
He got the last word though saying they were deluding themselves if they thought Gender wasnt a scientific X and Y chromosome thing.
>>80476099
Fairly certain this guy would do alright.
>>80476099
That was the Andy Burnham strategy but the membership wanted a commie because they're fucking nutballs
>>80476099
>dennis skinner taking a responsibility
There's your problem
I suck cock.
>>80476195
>>80476203
Fuck London and fuck the majority of MP's
Both camps were pro-Remain and got BTFO by the working class North
Labour could walk the next general election if they pursued the electorate instead of the London establishment
>>80476191
Gotta get that Sunday morning glass of rage lad. It's good for the blood flow.
>>80476248
Yeah I liked that - you can think whatever you want about your own body but you're wrong to try to force that view on other people basically.
>>80475230
I cannot fucking stand Izzard. Why does he insist on dressing in drag and acting like a complete fool during debates?
Who the fuck is this UKIP moron?
>>80476236
I wish the Liberal-SDP coalition had killed Labour in the 80s. Then we'd have no Blair.
>>80476441
Blame the people who invited him they knew his schtick
>>80476384
>Labour could walk the next general election if they pursued the electorate instead of the London establishment
That's true of any party though, it's easy to say "Why don't they just listen to the people!!!" but it's clear they have no intention of doing it, for the sake of their own ends
>>80476307
same
Anyone else get the feeling whenever certain MPs are speaking they just despise the voterbase? Most of the remainers are like this. They seem dumbfounded that they lost.
Want this desu
KEK AND MEMEMAGIC on LBC with Nigel Farage.
It's kek though mate, not keke or keek.
Did one of you just call in to Farage on LBC and talk about meme magic?
Lel
Oliver you absolute mad man. How's Stroud treating you? Gloucester's shit as usual.
>>80476499
>true of any party
Labour is traditionally the party of the people though. That was their entire purpose
>>80476858
yah it was oliver in the other thread
So which one of you fags was Oliver?
>>80476890
ey im glos too!
KEK bless you, /pol/iver!
>>80476465
I wish John Smith had never died, or at least died later.
That was the final seal holding everything together.
>>80476775
A mug of jizz?
I always knew that /pol/ is board of autist
Now we have a proof,is he really serious?
>>80474687
>Implying Corbyn will still be Labour leader by 2020.
>>80476705
They despise being reminded that they are not the deciders, merely bodies placed into a slot by a game of ticky boxy.
Look at the incredulity of the Blairites in Labour, how it absolutely astounds them that, despite their little clubhouse of gravy-train hungry MPs, the actual party quite likes Corbyn. It infuriates them. 'How DARE they not agree with us? WE KNOW BEST!'.
Same goes for the Tories too, and probably the rest. You won't see it anymore, but when Cameron or Gideon got asked a tough question or was contradicted, that old blue-blooded righteous indignation flared up in them like an atomic bomb.
They don't hate the voterbase, they hate being reminded that the voterbase are the ones with real power. It may take them 5 years to exercise that power, but then it was always the slow blade that kills.
>>80476793
Stupid Northerner...had one fucking job!
>Faron sneaking in "the North Korea option."
Isabel and Andrew better tear him a new one.
Please for the love of christ, any Tory party members ITT vote for Leadsom. If all the centerists from both Tories and Labour fuck off we've got a political revolution.
>>80477403
VOTE MUMMY
Please give your support to #cutforblacklives.
Have you cut today?
if not you are racist
https://youtu.be/j3KELtDWcQU?t=6865
1:54:25 for based /pol/iver
Who is the most civic person in British politics?
>>80477403
>>80477473
She's far too concerned with Britain to be made tory leader.
A good tory leader needs to sell us up the river for a shiny bag of coppers deposited into their spouses private company accounts. Community spirit and a future for our people? Pah, more CCTV for parking fines and sell our medical records to Facebook.
>>80477507
Lel dropped his fucking the spaghetti everywhere
>H-hello, uh g-good afternoon
>We're not there yet oliver
>uh, okay, good afternoon
>>80477634
C I V I C
>>80477507
Keeek
>>80474403
>MFW I VOTE CONSERVATIVE BUT THINK CORBYN IS BASED AS FUCK
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arron-banks-farage-was-a-drama-queen-ill-be-the-scary-new-king-of-ukip-wv2zqbnjp
Banks is plotting something fierce
You ever look at social media and fear what the current British youth will bring in the coming years? The majority I've had to deal with are just reprehensible people who love to virtue signal while carrying this absolute vitriol for anyone perceived below them and their grand humanist ideals. I've even tried to redpill a couple but the moment you start feeding it to them, they drop the conversation and pretend you never talked.
>>80477734
That doesn't sound very civic, lad
>>80477706
he said he thought it meant they weren't on air yet, nigel's reaction was funny as fuck though
>>80477677
fuck I hate freedom now
>>80477839
sort of. those people are just going to be captured by Labour in the coming decades. there is no hope for them. a lot of them are just signal jockeys though trying to get their latest fix of social validation.
>>80477345
This fucking pineapple hairdo pisses me off so much
>>80476384
>Labour could walk the next general election if they pursued the electorate instead of the London establishment
No they couldn't. That's why they're fucked in general.
When you've got a safe seat in the North, adding more votes within that seat does nothing. You need a broad spread of support, which necessitates getting middle-class home owning marginals onside.
I'm too tired to run through the whole thing but basically right to buy = no more Labour majority governments that aren't Blairite shit tier because enough people are have investments in mortgages or property to not want to take the risk on the economy
And Blairite shit tier ones can't win either because the core support areas that "will always vote Labour" are starting to realize Blairite scum don't give a fuck about them. Scottish Labour is an amazing case-study in this: It's not a surge of nationalism that fucked them, it was the poetic image of them arm-in-arm with the Conservative party. (At Westminster: it was their entitlement and incompetence + Iraq at Holyrood in 2007.)
>>80477507
0:47:40 for Carl the Cuck.
>>80476775
I want "controls on immigration" mug.
It's wonderful. It pisses off everyone - lefties see it as racist, righties see it as stupid pandering, and I laugh at what a vacuous statement it is (there are already some controls.)
>>80478075
>leftists want this
>liberals want this
>lolbertarians want this
Only conservatism can save civilisation.
>>80477839
The young have always done what a few manipulators tell them. For a while now it's been the universitys doing the manipulation. With life experience they tend to shift their views.
I thought we had no chance going in to the referendum but we should never underestimate the English. We led in 1940 and 1980, America (and others) will follow.
Help us Raheem, you're our only hope.
Reminder that if anyone is a Conservative member, vote Leadsom
>>80477677
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwpc0HF62A4
>>80478386
>There are people who LITERALLY think Leadsom isn't the better choice just due to her views on the gays
>>80475823
I want some of that.
Lib Dems and Blairite Labour MPs planning on joining together
>>80478975
Wouldn't be the first time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDP%E2%80%93Liberal_Alliance
>Andrea Leadsom dares to suggest that her experience of motherhood may be a positive factor on her CV. Is that a hanging offence?
based helmer.
>>80474403
>TALKS BETWEEN LABOUR AND TORY BLAIRITES ABOUT FORMING THEIR OWN PARTY
Centrist genocide when?
>>80479222
DELET THIS
GOOD MORNING GOYIM
NOW SHUT IT DOWN
>>80475823
In fact, who exactly is that?
>>80479397
isabel oakeshott
>>80478975
They'd be a cancer on the lib-dems to be honest.
>>80479459
Cheers.
Test
>>80479481
she's good on twitter, has plenty of inside scoop shit
>>80479222
N-Nice trips... mate.
I want Labour to die.
They deserve it. They saw what happened in Scotland when they took an entire nation for granted and they learned NOTHING. When the same happens in the north of England it will be 100% deserved.
The Labour party deserves a fucking darwin award.
Any new happenings ?Exept Angeala "challenge"
>>80479803
read the OP
What does she look like without makeup?
>>80479960
Old and haggard
God I fucking hate Blairites. Corbyn is somewhat respectable as at least he practices what he preaches and seems to care about people in his broken way, but Angela Eagle is a fucking car crash, surely nobody would elect this worm?
The same for Hilary Benn, I respect his dad, but he's just your typical Blairite cuck.
>>80479960
>you'll never wake up with her and find out
>“Tell the truth: Scotland has been indulged for too long
>What does it take to make the people of England angry? As a Scot who has spent half his life in London, the unflappable amiability of the English is something for which I have endless admiration. But when it comes to their appallingly apologetic attitude towards my homeland, I find myself longing for them to get properly riled.”
Why is it when you dig under all Scottish Labour's Blairites, you find a hilariously large Scottish cringe?
(lest you think that comment makes the man who made it le BASED because of muh Barnett, consider that when it was made Scotland was paying in as much as it got back, he just wanted the SNP to be hit with a budget cut as punishment for winning 2011, furthermore - with no sense of irony, being a Blairite - he said the following in 2008: ‘If you’ve not been to Sweden before, I think you’ll really like it – it’s the country Scotland would be if it wasn’t narrow, Presbyterian, racist etc. etc. Social democracy in action.’“ )
While we're at it, there's also the glaring inconsistency of their beliefs (Social democracy in action!.... No, we can't do anything remotely left wing in the UK :^) " but that's nowhere near as hilarious as their inferiority complexes.
>New data proves that 18-24 year olds had a turnout much higher than previously expected
>Not a word of this on brit/pol/
Ah yes, very impressive...
>>80479960
she's had three kids, not sure you'd want to
Angela Eagle's head belongs on a harpy
>>80480288
So we know she fucks? That's hot.
who is John Major?
>>80480271
>1 post by this ID
I'll bite anyway
One, yes there has been, and two, obviously they're going to start lying about it now after one of the main arguing points that BTFOs the young left has been that young people didn't bother to vote
>"new data"
>An OPINION POLL taken this week at a time of maximum butthurt for the Remain side which will make young people who couldn't be arsed to go and vote pretend that they did
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36756878
>John Prescott: Ex-deputy PM says Iraq War was illegal
H A P P E N I N G
>>80480426
The hottest grime artist in the UK right now, check out his mixtapes on Youtube theys fire bruh.
>>80480426
Some old "conservative" faggot who was prime minister after Thatcher and before Blair and is an extremely boring non-entity.
>>80480426
Prime Minister from 1990-1997.
A reputation for being grey and boring and presiding over disaster. Fucked Edwina Currie. Actually not a bad guy, even as a Tory.
Wasn't expected to win in 1992, but did so.
Every thread. Every DAMNED thread this YKTD faggot shitposter comes here and completely ruins everything. Every day, starting at the same time and lasting for the same length. It's actually a routine for the cretin. With the same phrases, the same reaction pics, and the same incessant shitposting. He ACTUALLY believes that he's some kind of intellectual, on par with his idol Peter Hitchens aka Morality Man. It amazes me just how much he parrots the same rhetoric and opinions. The only times where he deviates from the Hitchens line is when he goes full autism against the Jews or something.
You know what separates you -a worthless sack of shit- from the Hitch? Talent. He is a skilled orator and writer, who's featured all across the globe in GENUINE media outlets. While you do nothing but wank off to some cesspool, and with illusions of grandeur believe that there is any point to a single thing you post. He has actually experienced the world, has lived in history. Whereas you experience nothing but the world through a computer screen in some, dark, dank, bestial place where I hope to never find myself.
Please, for the sake of all of us. GO. Fuck off NOW. Tripfags are distilled autism and a cancer to this site. I have no illusion that I'm wasting my time, but at least I'm not as pathetic you are, you dull cunt.
I can already sense you raging, having to rotate your body 90' to slam the keyboard with your turbo flid stub arms. Needless doubt that your shit rebuke will contain some of your canned buzzwords, as you scream FUCKING BLAIRITES REEEEE IMMORAL REEEE in the basement of your parents window.
>>80478075
I don't understand how that escalated so quickly.
>>80480535
>presiding over disaster
To be clear: Mostly within his own party, though there was Black Wednesday it was followed by good growth that handed Blair a great economy. (Which for the first time ever, people could see was down to outside forces and not governmental magic: Sadly, they forgot that later on.)
He had a lot of rebels on the European Maastricht treaty (Something of the genesis of modern Euroscepticism)
I think he held a leadership election at some point to re-assert his authority, as well as a vote of confidence in himself on the European issue in 1993.
>>80480626
Why he look so forgetable?
>>80480626
Yeltsin has the most natural kingly genes i've ever seen, cept maybe Trump
What are the odds on Farage and Nuttall joining another party when the darkie or the woman ruins UKIP?
>>80480698
because he is nigga
i don't think ive ever seen anybody even mention John Major in the entirety of Brit/pol/'s existence
he has simply never come up because he's that boring
>>80480162
>Angela Eagle
>Blairite
Are you retarded?
>>80480852
She's their pawn.
>>80480814
Why the fuck would they drop out on such a thing.
REEEEE
>>80480657
wow, that was tl;dr
But, just ignore him, as I do.
>>80480426
An absolute madman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK-TDfempwY
>>80480693
it's almost as if social media brings out the worst in people
>>80480829
I just found that i never ever heard about him , not on news nor in books
It was Iron Lady and then suddently - Blair
>>80480271
It doesn't matter either way. Either they're lying to not look like lazy cunts or it destroys the argument that young people overwhelmingly wanted to remain.
https://twitter.com/dinahjanealbum/status/752069522299977728
BLM are inconveniencing people on Oxford Street is this going to stop the rampant police brutality here?
>>80480852
>The Blairites are the ones causing the mass discontent in the Labour Party
>The challenger to Corbyn is not a Blairite
A three-way battle then when the Blairite challenges himt too? Exiciting. Who exactly is behind Eagle then if she is not a Blairite? I'd love to know.
>>80478582
>8cuck
Bloody liar, are oli's posts here aren't even cold yet.
>>80480829
it's kind of a good thing, means he didn't really fuck anything up either
>>80480852
MPs like Eagle on the so-called "soft left" have become stooges of the Blairite rump who in turn are working with the Portland Communications PR firm set up by Blairite spin-doctor.
>>80481100
>Spitting Image stopped just before Blair came to power, almost as if their work of making the Conservative Party look stupid and useless had finally been fulfilled, and there was no longer any need to attack a government whose policies the writers generally agreed with
hmm really makes you think
>>80481181
Angela Eagle is not a fucking blairite you cunt.
I swear to fucking god people who spout this blairite shit started following politics this year.
Seriously getting fucking old.
Anyone's kids done SATS?
Mine got
109 maths
115 english
>proud dad
>>80480271
That was based on registered voters vs people that actually voted.
half of young people aren't even registered to vote
>>80480657
That's not very nice
>>80481326
Enlighten us on this
>>80481395
Test their maths with holocaust numbers.
>>80480657
>turbo flid stub arms
made me laugh but
>in the basement of your parents window
suggests you might be losing it too.
>Angela Eagle
>>80481434
Enlighten you on what?
She isn't a blairite. Corbyn faggots are accusing everone who isn't him, Abbot or McDonnel of being a 'blairite'.
INCLUDING TOM FUCKING WATSON WHO VOTED TO GET RID OF FUCKING BLAIR IN 06 JESUS FUCKING CHRIST READ SOME FUCKING BACKSTORY OF THE PEOPLE YOU ARE ACCUSING TWATS.
>>80480852
1. She's a pawn
2. While it never tells the whole story, she ticks the quickie heuristic checklist for a Blairite fuck.
3. Her voting record seems largely to follow the party line, pointing again to careerism aligning her more with Blairites than anything else.
>>80481161
I remember seeing him on TV when I was a kid and that's it. People called him "Honest John" I believe. he also has come out in the last couple years and said stuff about various referendums and comes across as quite a moderate fag. he's pretty "statesman"-like I suppose.
Black Wednesday was probably the biggest thing that happened under him.
>>80481326
it's an 8ch meme brought here by ytmnd
>>80481664
What is your definition of a Blairite?
>>80481326
>>80481657
Agree with this fellow
"Blairite" is a serious accusation and political newfags trying to turn it into a catch-all term for lefties have the wrong end of the stick
That being said Angela Eagle is obviously working for their interests
>>80481657
It's become a catch all for the Labour centre and centre-left, stop sperging out.
>>80481521
Pft, maybe at a levels theyll be able to count that high.
What is it at now? 6,000,000,000,000,000,000?
I read an email yesterday to a Labour MP from Ewan Blair, Blair's son who has been given a company that he is CEO of and he was thanking this Labour MP personally for writing an anti-Corbyn piece in the New Statesman.
Blair's son is gonna take over in the same way Hillary Benn has.
>>80481753
the ideology of blaire (not necessarily being a support of his as a lot of modern conservatives are blairites)
>neo lib
>anti white
>globalist
>>80481917
>blaire (not necessarily being a support of his as a lot of modern conservatives are blairites)
Plenty of "modern" Tories have openly praised Blair, like Gove and Theresa May
>>80481851
And the centre right, as the people calling Theresa May a blairite yesterday proved.
So in other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are using a word that you don't actually understand to describe something you don't know fuck all about.
List of people who are blairites = everyone who isn't Corbyn, including Tories and Labour party MPs who actively got rid of TONY FUCKING BLAIR.
>>80481278
It was pretty funny tbqh.
>I'm rather partial to Murray mints.
>>80481753
why are you defending her? When her backers include Peter Mandelson and the Progress group, she is working for their interests
>Oxbridge academics are primarily left wing or liberal
>Somehow retards on /pol/ feel the need to dispute them
Enough of these "experts" amirite?
>Euan Blair
>tfw my dad killed hundreds of thousands of people
>>80481895
Speaking of, has anyone heard from Will Straw since he got BTFO at the referendum.
>>80481278
They absolutely destroyed Labour especially Kinnock who started the decay of the party.
>>80482103
>appeal to authority
ah yes very impressive
>>80482053
List of people who are blairites = everyone in the centre and associated with centrist politics.
Words change thier meaning, language is fluid, you autist.
>>80481657
kek, theyre accusing Owen fookin Jones, Red Ed and Gordon Brown of being Blairites!
>>80482145
So they actively took part in the destruction of Old Labour and the Tories, then silently dropped off when Blairism came to power
hmmmmm
>>80481657
The technical distinction between Blairites and Brownites is almost non-existent.
While a lot of people do it out of ignorance, Brownites are just Blairites who like to virtue signal. The distinction is one of who they want as boss, not anything of policy significance.
(Actually, they may be WORSE than Blairites. Gordon "You've stolen my fucking budget" Brown wasn't too happy about a large increase in NHS spending...)
>>80481753
A "centre" to centre-right Labour party member with no sense of history, who believes that if they just "recapture the centre" they can win. In casual conversation, as noted above, I fold Brownites into Blairites.
There should be some centrists who actually understand that this isn't 1987 and that Scotland underlines just how fucked Blairites have left the party, but I can't fucking find any.
General heuristics for their detection (by no means conclusive, but still) include Iraq war apologism, support for draconian anti-terror laws, a general lack of Charisma and personality, aligned with weird appearance and often a posh name that makes you wonder "How the fuck does someone wind up in the LABOUR party?" and for the Trident nuclear missile system.
The latter not entirely a Blairite position so much as a reasonable compromise with the British centre, but it's nice to tag it on anyway because Labour's only consistent policy on Polaris/Trident was in the 60s: "It's not independent, It's not British, and It's not a deterrent." [This is rooted in British nationalism on my part: If you're going to have a nuke, build it in your own country so you don't have a supply chain linked to your worst ally.]
That is within Labour
Within the Conservatives, "Heir-to-Blairites" can be identified by pro-Europeanism, spin, maintenance of shit popular with the Blairites suchas PFI (created under Major, should've been strangled by Blair but instead embraced.) and some attempts to display themselves as "kind conservatives" on social issues.
>>80480426
Did most of the work for the Good Friday Agreement for which Blair took credit for.
>>80482093
I'm not defending her. I fucking hate her and Labour. But to call her a Blairite is literally fucking retarded and shows you 1) Were not following politics during the Blair years and 2) are just spouting out Blairite because it's this months new word for the lefty shits to call anyone who realises Corbyn is killing Labour.
Private Eye pointed it out this week, hard left is literally calling everyone a Blairite and it is in many cases factually fucking wrong.
>>80482053
>Labour party MPs who actively got rid of TONY FUCKING BLAIR.
To replace him with Gordon Brown?
Fucking wow.
"Brownite" is a definition of limited value. It's only valuable when discussing the internal politics of the Labour party. (And thus Brownites trying to get rid of Blair can ultimately still be Blairites in all but name.)
>>80482103
>academia in 2016
Laffin' my butt off to be honest family
Non-STEM academics have painted themselves into a corner with cultural relativism and have nowhere to go and nothing to contribute.
>>80482103
It's what happens when one tribe purges all its enemies and assumes institutional control. You think we should respect their insane values just because they were violent enough to expel people who opposed them? That's not how intellectual integrity works, my friend.
>>80482103
Academics lose their tenure for saying anything remotely un-PC. If they were harassed and fired for being liberals universities would be full of conservatives. Funny that, isn't it?
>>80482236
Kinnock started Blairism
>>80480852
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10182/angela_eagle/wallasey/divisions?policy=975
>>80482243
So you agree with the accusations that Tom Watson, Owen Jones, Ed Milliband and Gordon Brown are blairites?
Because that is what Corbyns followers are actually saying.
>>80482339
he did most of the work for everything which blair took credit for
Were hard-left people this pissed off about Blair back in 1997 after he removed Claus 4? it seems like they people were all in love with him back then.
I think I need to know more about shit like Militant Tendency.
>>80481100
Cameron never wore hats in public because of this
>>80482406
Completely true, I remember at university I had one lecturer who had been in the army, was fairly on the right, dropped a lot of red pills.
Surprisingly he didn't last long in the overwhelmingly left wing department and fucked off to some think tank in America.
>>80481993
Your kidding, Cameron and half the Tory Front Bench publicly idolized the ground Blair walked on.
They practical eat the Blair book after reading it upside down.
>>80476890
the usual shite, old people and inbreeds walk the street and chavs get drunk at the fringe
>>80482220
>language is fluid so we can just make shit up
No, that's not how poltics works.
>autist
Corbyn wouldn't like to hear you use language like that.
>>80482145
Kinnock in some ways tried to rescue the party. Old Labour was already dead by 1979, and it was partly the hard-left's fault.
Kinnock did a reasonable job (He later turned into Baron Hypocrite of Cuntwelty though.) given the circumstances and Smith would have made a good Prime Minister.
Then Smith died and Blair dragged the party further and further right as time went on (even the 1997 manifesto had some surprisingly left-wing stuff in it.) long after it had stopped being necessary.
It's almost hilarious how - despite his skill, and he was a very skilled man - Blair was also something of
Yes - he was a "Brownite" but I prefer "fat cunt" anyway, no, not anymore (he was before he was leader), Yes.
Miliband is a good demarcation line, I think. He was shit tier on a lot of policy and didn't go far enough on others, but he wasn't a Blairite. He was closer to the Kinnock-style "reasonable compromise with the electorate" than neo-Blairite style "Mandatory penectomies for those on JSA!"
Liz Fucking Kendall.
>>80476890
>>80482593
Do you know each other?
>>80482559
Everyone suffers this from the professors to the undergrads. It's not an environment conducive to free and open debate and exchange of ideas. Anyone who has spent any time in a university knows that. You have to keep your opinions to yourself or you ostracize yourself. It's shameful really.
>>80474785
Just post anon you bellend why do you think you're special?
>>80482516
>Were hard-left people this pissed off about Blair back in 1997 after he removed Claus 4? it seems like they people were all in love with him back then.
No. Blair was the left wing messiah back in 1997.
>>80482753
>right
Better to say "economically liberal" surely
>>80482630
>that's not how poltics works.
That's how language works though
>>80482774
Are there no right-wing societies?
>>80482243
>can be identified by pro-Europeanism
That's not a new position, but an older one. People forget that the tories are the traditionally pro-EU party dating back to Ted Heath - with the added fun of a irate backbench.
Labour were anti-EU under Foot
>>80482902
> Das waycisssss
I remember when I went some guys set up a society to talk about problems for male specific issues like high suicide rates and what have you. The feminist society had it shut down. I went to a Russel Group.
g-g-good afternoon...
>>80482858
Not when describing a very distinct political faction it doesn't.
Tories who were against Thatcher but were on the same side of the party never magically became fucking Thatcherites.
Spin it all you fucking want, but people who actively removed Blair can not be called Blairites. Blairite is a distinct term for everyone who wasn't shat into the world yesterday.
>>80482516
A good number of them were unenthusiastic but kept going anyway.
I read something about people being a bit disillusioned in like 1996, even on the relatively soft-left because they'd "given up" so much.
>>80482847
Well, there was also shit like "Tough on crime, tough on le causes of crime xDDDD"
>>80482103
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html
>>80482902
There are a few in the US who invited Milo to speak at their universities, and they face outright hostility from both the undergraduates and the university itself.
>>80482103
Experts are wrong all the time
>>80483189
Nobody wants to learn the names of no-name back benchers who sucked the cock of a man with a Scottish cringe so large it caused the UK to pass the Roche limit and start to disintegrate instead of a smarmy Englishman-born-in-Scotland who literally bathes in the blood of Iraqi babies.
Both of them were so similar on policy as to make the personality contest part irrelevant today unless you're specifically discussing history.
>>80483189
>Not when describing a very distinct political faction it doesn't.
That's the point. Blairite is being used to describe political factions that share more common ground than not.
>>80483262
>Deliberately inviting a controversy-seeking alt right hack whose personality revolves around OOOOHHHH DARRRRRRLING I'M GAY AND ANTI-FEMINIST AND ISLAM
They bring it on themselves
Quick brit/pol/ related story from my childhood lads;
>be a young lad in 1992 or so, used to go to watch football with my father
>based Cardiff City FC in the shit leagues (fuck off jack bastards)
>we're in the directors box because father wasn't poor
>before each game they did a pool where everyone put £5 on the correct time of the first goal
>we're walking up the stairs from the bar to our seats as the game's about to start
>Neil Kinnock is going up the stairs alongside me and my father
>someone asks "Neil, what time did you pick for the pool?"
>he says something like 30th min
>father turns to him and says "you should have gone for number ten, it's the only bloody chance of you getting it"
I was pretty young at the time and didn't understand how funny it was, looking back it was pure fire.
>>80482753
>right
Biggest enabler of muslim mass immigration and nigger outrageous liberty taking
>>80483059
That's depressing.
>ywn walk through the cloisters of an ancient and dignified institution and discuss right-wing politics with your friends
>>80483391
SAVAGE
>>80483058
While it's a long and confusing journey, the Cameron-y Tories are more identifiable thanks to the anti-EU-ish outlook of the Tories until Cameron was brought in.
Labour were anti-EEC under foot, but pro-EEC under their previous government. Then when Labour started to get more pro-EEC, the Conservatives got less - though even under Kinnock they weren't yet so pro-EU as to let Major rely on them.
Personally I like the right-on Scottish Nationalist dude in this picture with the sunglasses. (The SNP were as split as any party on EEC, but tried to use it as a referendum justification in 1974 - hoping Scotland would say no and England yes: plus ca change - until 1992 when they realized they could use the EEC to make independence seem less economically risk, and appeal to the EU if the UK government treated them unfairly. That's the root of their pro-europeanism to this day.)
>>80483364
He's no worse than the speakers from other movements such as BLM, and yet if a bunch of right wing college students invaded and heckled a BLM guest speaker, the university would lose it's shit.
>>80483364
Milo doesn't fit the SJW narrative of muh redneck rassssisst!!
Hence the leftist meltdown
>twf when the most un pc guy at work is an outright homosex
>>80483585
Well it's also because the SNP are lefty cunts.
>>80482516
>I think I need to know more about shit like Militant Tendency.
>>80483391
oof
>>80483364
As if proper sensible right wing speakers would be allowed anywhere near a campus.
>>80484007
The SNP are honestly a political masterclass, and I don't just say that because I sympathise with them.
It's fascinating to follow Scottish identity and how it intertwines with politics: Vote unionist to stop Labour centralizing away Scotland's unique nature, vote Labour to protect Scotland's industry, vote Labour to get rid of Thatcher's tories, vote Labour to... err.. just vote Labour you fucking jock cunts you've always been labour now HAND OVER THE FUCKING VOTES i need to get on a train to campaign in English marginals soon, to Vote SNP to stand up for Scotland's interests.
In many ways it's poetic that Labour set itself up along such a Scottish line, before succumbing to entitlement and standing arm-in-arm with the Conservatives against independence, finally underscoring what everyone knew : Labour can never put Scotland first. For that, you need a Scottish party, and wonderfully we've got one right here that's actually less Tory than Labour, but not lefty enough to hurt the middle class...
Now, you may hate Scottish nationalism - you may even hate Scots! - but the slow destruction of Scottish Labour is an amazing tale and few things have been so deserved. Something that's always bothered me about the hate for the SNP is that people forget that the people before it were worse - they just had too much of a Scottish cringe to let anyone know.
>>80480657
fucking lol'd. Tripfags are just needs desperate for attention on an anon image board
>>80484309
Addendum - irrelevant, but amusing.
>We're not nationalists, we're internationalists!
>Vote NO! I don't want my relative to be a FOREIGNER!
>GOOD AFTERNOON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkwv5PNapY
>>80484309
>Labour can never put Scotland first.
It's part of a larger issue where Labour hasn't even put it's core vote first, and now finally, it's being made to pay for it.
Tally ho!
Steady on chap!
*sips tea*
I do say
*adjusts monacle*
That we, my friends
*spills a drop of tea*
Indeed we we're
*drops the biscuit*
We we're quite the monarchs and what-nots
hi dad
>>80484309
I am a Scot and I would like to see an independent Scotland. But my hate for Sturgeon and the SNP knows no bounds.
>>80484309
>and I don't just say that because I sympathise with them
Please leave
>>80484642
LOL britcucks BTFO!
>>80484671
damned traitorous scot
Peter Hitchens is right
Cucks will deny this
>>80484642
kek
>>80475828
we're going nowhere lad
>>80484671
Your fellow countrymen can't be trusted to not vote in a commie government, which will happen once an independent scotland starts to slash your heroin funds because you have a deficit worse than Greece's and the EU will demand you get yourselves in line
You'll be Belarus in two years
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>>80484746
I want independence because I love both Scotland and England. England would be better off without us, since we take more from the system than we pay in.
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>>80484671
Why do Scots want their own independent country? Literally made massive contributions to the rest of the UK throughout history and you want to throw it away because what, it makes the English mad or something?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-eagle-policies-voting-record-iraq-welfare-cuts-vote-syria-trident-tuition-fees-snoop-marriage-a7111696.html
No doubt it's not entirely fair, but may be of interest.
>>80484628
Oh yes, I most certainly agree. Their failure to learn from Scotland (which had an essentially risk free alternative in the SNP, whereas UKIP has significant policy difference in England and national identity is less of a dividing issue) is going to kill the party.
>>80484671
>>80484746
One has to remember that when Sturgeon does things like that, she's primarily virtue signalling: Nobody wants to come to Scotland, so the SNP can send out all the invites it wants.
On the other hand, I can't imagine Salmond literally standing with a sign. I preferred Salmond, though politically 2014 was time for him to go.
>>80484683
I have a few bizarre British nationalist tendencies and some elements of the pining for a land of lost content that many small-C conservatives and Englishmen share.
Plus, what'd be the fun of a political hugbox? Who else would write screeds about the European policy of what was until 2015 considered a minor party, or the Scottish dimension of Labour's downfall?
>>80484867
See: >>80484857
I have nothing against England, my father is an Englishman. I actually think I prefer them to Scots tbqh.
>>80484867
>because what, it makes the English mad or something?
Because pic related.
>But you're only a small part of the population, that's totally fair!
If we were a region that would be the case, but we are not: We are a nation.
When the choice is between totally subverting British democracy to the will of a minority (us) or leaving, leaving is preferable
>>80484917
>One has to remember that when Sturgeon does things like that, she's primarily virtue signalling: Nobody wants to come to Scotland
An independent Scotland complete with a much larger welfare system and control over it's own immigration policy would have an endless number of migrants queuing up to be let in.
>>80485089
>much larger welfare system
Unlikely to happen short-mid term. Even on the budgets of the white-paper, all it promised was slightly better childcare. (Though if the UK system was cut then Scotland's would become relatively more appealing, there's still little reason to pick it over says Sweden.)
Immigration policy may have been closely linked to that of the UK, either for legal or pragmatic reasons. Possibly exceptions for uni student work visas or such.
>>80485227
>Immigration policy may have been closely linked to that of the UK, either for legal or pragmatic reasons.
With Scotland's population, even a relatively small net migration number such as 100,000 a year would completely and irreversibly change the country in barely over a decade.
>>80485472
Scotland will never get 100,000 - even if it sent out search parties.
>Between mid-2013 and mid-2014, approximately 49,240 people came to Scotland from the rest of the UK, and approximately 39,660 left Scotland to go in the opposite direction, giving a net migration gain of approximately 9,600.
>Between mid-2013 and mid-2014, 33,200 people came to Scotland from overseas and 25,200 left Scotland to go overseas giving a net migration gain of 8,000, which represents about 1 in 700 (0.14 per cent) of the total population.
Total: 17600, over 50% of which are English/Welsh/NI.
>>80485603
>Scotland will never get 100,000 - even if it sent out search parties.
But right now, Scotland is part of the UK and shares it's borders. Independently, it could have very, very easily taken several times that number during the migrant crisis. The question is simply whether Holyrood would be stupid enough to do it or not.
>>80485835
With the SNP in power it definitely would be. I can only hope the Scottish public drop them once independence is achieved.
>>80484671
wheres the room shes talking about? tens of thousands on council house waiting lists and not enough council houses. not to mention, if you were to build more council houses, they would need to be built on green land. ruining the lovely scottish landscape
>>80485835
I have my doubts, though little data, that the SNP are as far left on immigration as they paint themselves.
Don't get me wrong - they're definitely for more of it. But not that much more.
Like many things, I think it's down to some cultural difference, due to the fact Scotland's problem has traditionally been emigration. Even then, as an independent country I think we'd be weary of high migration numbers due to the problems it would pose for Common Travel Area membership while sharing a land-border and England moves to a more anti-immigration tack.
The SNP are fundamentally political pragmatists, and I think the minute most people start to really notice disproportionate amounts of immigrants they would tone it down or lose power.
>>80486052
>they would need to be built on green land
The worst part is that they're already doing this. My house was once totally surrounded by fields, now half of them are built on and the rest are planned to be built on.
>>80486052
>they would need to be built on green land
While I don't feel it would immediately be necessary when one could build higher-density housing in some places, it's not like there's a shortage of it in Scotland.
(Mostly, I just think it's a cool map. A relatively large landmass and it's 99% empty.)
>>80486057
>and I think the minute most people start to really notice disproportionate amounts of immigrants they would tone it down or lose power
The same argument could have been made for the Labour party under Blair, but ultimately they weren't made accountable for it until after the damage had been done.
>>80486234
>My house was once totally surrounded by fields, now half of them are built on and the rest are planned to be built on.
Are they council houses?
I've noticed a little bit of this (though it's mostly along existing roads anyway.) but they're all private houses. (And more fascinatingly, the population of my area isn't going up much, so they're possibly holiday homes.)
>>80486309
Scotland uses a PR voting system though. If immigration became a problem, PR would get an anti-immigration party into Holyrood far quicker than FPTP did for Westminster.
>>80486418
You put too much faith in the Scottish people. The memes about this country being swarming with lefties are true.
>>80486636
They vote lefty. Most of them are Jim Sillars types instead of modern left-wingers. (Though Jim Sillars himself has gone off his rocker and desperately wants to be thrown out of the SNP so he can clown around with RISE.)
Remember, for all the memes about lefties, the SNP lost seats when they promised to raise taxes in 2003 and Labour came third when they did it in 2015.
>>80486418
>PR would get an anti-immigration party into Holyrood far quicker than FPTP did for Westminster.
The Labour party didn't lose power over immigration. They lost it because they had a completely ineffective leader who had run a deficit during an enormous credit bubble as chancellor.
>>80486248
there is a lot of green land, you cant deny that. with the explosion in population that is undoubtable happening, how long will the green land last?
by higher density housing, do you mean the likes of the tenements from the 60's? i believe the days of those type of buildings are over.
>>80486234
a massive unsubstanable increase in population is to blame
>>80487055
I would largely again blame FPTP.
Heck, under PR Lib-Lab would've been able to govern in 2011 with ~57% of the vote together, and in 2005 that could've been Con-Lab with bang-on 50%
>>80487272
>with the explosion in population that is undoubtable happening, how long will the green land last?
Quite possibly a while, assuming we were to mass build. Scotland is 1/3 of the UK landmass but ~1/10 of the population. So even assuming we grow at the same rate, we've got far more to work with than the country as a whole. (And my memory is our population growth is generally slower.)
I was generally getting at tenements, though a more modern take on the idea would be preferable, either via nicer flats and the same general size, or via smaller buildings that are still a little larger and hold more people.
Population alone doesn't account for everything though. I think a lot of new build houses - especially out in the country where jobs are limited - are being made to rent for holidays, etc.
