What 'race' are modern 'indigenous white britons/english', /pol/? A lot of shit happened in our ancient history that it's hard to even tell.
From what I can estimate, it kind of goes like this:
>A big bowl of Celtic Britons/original settlers.
>Add a dash of Rome from the Roman Conquest.
>Throw in a lump of Anglo's, Saxons and Jutes (who were north germanic and south denmark) during the anglo-saxon migration.
>Add another big lump of northern denmark/norway/true norse from constant Viking wars and the Danelaw being established in northern england
>Then another sprinkle of French-Norse (what with William the Conqueror and his army being the grandchildren of Viking settlers given land in Normandy, so pretty much 50/50 norse/french)
What would you guys say? In light of new scientific evidence that none of these migrations ever really truly 'overtook' the original celtic genes?
I'd estimate:
>50% Celtic British
>20% Anglo-Saxon
>20% Norse
>5% French (whatever the fuck that is. I assume Celtic Gaulic)
>3% Roman
>2% Other
I won't bother getting into facts like North england and Scotland are more Norse than South England, Wales and Cornwall due to Danelaw conquests and so on, or that Anglo-Saxon genes are more prominent in the East, but have I got the general idea right?
Discuss.
Most of us"orginal" Brits are descended from the Basque people of Catalonia.
>>80419936
Just have a look at Welsh people and you see the original darker Britons. England is dominated by Anglo-Saxons. Welsh literally means 'the others' in Germanic language, signifying the ethnic devide that existed in Dark Ages Britain.
>>80419936
You are Germanic
>Anglos
>human
>>80420264
Also, the Celts and Anglo-Saxons were cultures, not peoples. Anglo-Saxon heritage is strongly concentrated in Kent, outside of that, you'll find almost no Germanic heritage. There are bodies that have been dragged out of bogs that are 5000 years old and can still be linked to people around the area. Race-mixing wasn't common back then.
>>80420510
>>80420320
>Anglo mods deleting my post
>Anglos
>white
>>80420510
most of them don't look it
>>80419936
Most of the orginal celtic people are the welsh..
>>80420519
>>80420568
>>80420722
Hello eternal Anglo shitposting Turk.
still forcing that meme is see?
>>80420770
mr bean?
>Anglos
>rapefugees
pick both
>>80420568
What a moronic image. Four of them look white as FUCK and the others look like white genetic mutations. The only "non-white" looking one is that comedian.
>>80420797
How's that Quebec independence coming along for you?
>>80420945
>>80420970
>"le it's just a meme" meme
>>80421051
white looking =/= being actually white
>>80419936
>>5% French (whatever the fuck that is. I assume Celtic Gaulic)
Try 45%
>>80420264
Basque people aren't from Catalonia.
>>80419936
There's no black and white all-encompassing answer to your question. It's better to ask what a Cornishman is, or an East Anglian, or a Yorkshireman.
>>80420935
And Cornish. Studies have consistently shown that the Welsh and Cornish are genetically distinguished from their neighbours. Even the northern Welsh are distinct from those in the south.
>>80420553
This is inaccurate. They did testing on it and the highest Germanic mix is in East Yorkshire, East Anglia etc (basically anywhere the three main groups landed).
You are right that Celts do not exist though, for example the Scots are more closely related to the English than they are the Irish. The North and South Welsh are more closely related to English regions that border them than they are to other Welsh people.
>>80420553
"Cultures" that just floated in, disembodied, on the wind, eh? FFS, how fucking gullible are you?
Anglos are savages, that's sure
>>80421423
I don't get what's wrong with Russel Brand. He looks normal to me.
The Britons have been quite resilient and are still mostly descended from the original tribe after the ice age:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene.html
The genetic evidence points towards there being a kind of apartheid between the Anglo-Saxons and the Britons. While the ruling classes were Anglos, most peasants remained Briton and most whites still are.
>>80421738
>2005
Outdated lad. there was a huge study done last year by Oxford University which showed that the Anglo-Saxons are the ancestors of about 40% of English people.
>>80419936
Pakistani
>>80421364
Yeah? I mean, its basically fact that the British and Irish are descended from the Catalonians. DNA testing proves it, and there's even a fucking Irish pre-Cristian myth that the Irish are decended from the Milesians, a Spanish tribe. Of course that was before you all became Muslims.
>>80421652
Daily reminder
The end goal of the Anglo agenda is that all races mix themselves into a brown unity race controlled by beady-eyed Anglo BLOOD, that is intelligent enough to work for Anglo BLOOD and consume Anglo BLOOD products but dumb enough to resist Anglo BLOOD oppression.
>>80420797
Spot on friend.
>>80419936
Is it BR-EYE-TONS or BR-IH-TONS
white
>>80419936
I would say mostly Indians or Pakistanis
>>80421928
Milesians weren't a Spanish tribe. It literally means "Soldiers of Spain," and they were supposedly Gallaecians under the leadership of the sons of a man named Breogan. It's mythology.
The English are not indigenous, and neither are the Britons.
Fucking Nigels, you're not even white.
t. Celt.
>>80421995
>>80421995
Ok, thanks for the info, Adolf.
>>80422079
Brit-tons.
Negroid
>>80422181
Celts don't even exist lad.
>>80422181
Please explain your distinction between Britons and Celts.
>>80422178
Yes they were. Why do you think Catalonia is included with the Celts?
>its mythology
Mythology that survived the Christian attempts to purge it, so it must have meant a great deal to the British and Irish for us to have protected it as much.
>>80419936
>I got the general idea right?
It looks like it. I don't know what else you want answered.
>>80419936
English people are a mix of iberian (celts), anglo-saxon and norse blood, and also some roman and french
>>80422200
god I'd love to worship her feet tho
>>80419936
Bear in mind the Frisian invasion of England about a hundred years before the Romans arrived.
I think:
>25% Celt
>10% Norman
>5% Frisian
>25% Norse
>25% Anglo-Saxon
>10% Other (French, Spanish, Romans and other filth)
>>80422703
Not true.
1) There is no such thing as a Celt. It was just a language group, not a genetic one.
2) Anglo-Saxons were the only group to leave a legacy, the Norse did not because there were not enough of them.
3) The Romans did not settle Britain but rather worked with local elites, there was a small military garrison, and genetic testing shows no significance from it.
4) The Normans did not contribute in genetic terms. Only a few thousand of them came over.
>>80419936
I reckon your ratio's are about right, the Romans and Normans were there as occupying forces, mostly police and soldiers so their blood wouldn't be that intermingled, the rest were settlers and shaggers.
>>80422422
Stop saying Catalonia. There is no connection between Catalonia and the Basques, or the Gallaecians. The Gallaecia lived on the other side of the Iberian peninsula from modern-day Catalonians.
>>80422422
What are you talking about? The story of the Milesians gained even greater popularity after Ireland was Christianised, because it was used by local lords as the basis of their legitimacy to power. They would create elaborate genealogies which traced back to the Milesians as a means of clearly establishing their authority.
You're also taking Oppenheimer's theory to conclusions his studies never came to. He concluded that the British are largely related to modern Iberians, using Basques in particular as the case study. That is to say, many modern British and modern Iberians share some of the same ancestors. This is not the same as saying that the British are descended from Basques or from people who came from the Iberian peninsula.
And as someone already pointed out, Oppenheimer's study is outdated by a decade.
>>80421928
Christ, how dense can you be?You as good as denied the physical existence of your most successful and influential ancestors.
>>80421557
Holy fuck you're back.
I missed you.
>>80419936
The master race.
>>80419936
90 fucking percent german, just look at that
old nasty cunt you call " queen". ..btw, learn how to football, britcunt.
>>80419936
Sutton Hoo mask is Finnish.
Also, the eldest DNA found in British Islands are Finnic.
The first kings (before chistianity) of England, Scotland etc. were also FInns.
>>80423120
I was in London actually just until yesterday
Had no time to post
>>80422960
i suspect hes just fucking around with us. i dont want to entertain the alternative. would be too depressing.
>>80419936
This article is a good read.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/mythsofbritishancestry
I'm Nortern Irish btw.
the worse one: anglojews
the evil trinity who is ruining the white race: irsael - uk - usa
>>80423072
Fuck off you stipid Spaniard. We all know you got cucked by Muslims and now you are one. Don't fucking talk to me like I'm some prick. Know your place, you disgusting Arab.
>>80422960
>a fucking leaf trying to lecture me on my own ancestry
Bullshit, British people are Catalonian (Basque/Milesians). The Iberians are a Fir Bolg from Greece (after the Metics breed them out of existance) and the Middle East. Hence why we tried to genocide them.
Mix of Celtic, Anglo and Norse.
>>80424009
It looks like I have to lecture you because you still don't understand that Basque =/= Catalonian. Now I'm sure this guy >>80423594 is right.
More stupid divide and conquer threads. Amazing.
>>80424009
>calling us arabs
>what is La Reconquista and La Santa Inquisición / purge they did
>the 1st name in your country is mohammed
>ours is not
ahmed pls. enjoy your last (you),
>>80423594
>>80424328
these guys already btfo you.
>>80424409
welcome to the classic tactic of the anglojews
>>80422340
there were people in britain before the celts got here
>>80420264
> Basque people of Catalonia.
lol
>>80424328
Well of course a Canadian would agree with Muslims because you're French.
>>80424486
Yeah but you were literally owned by Muslims for hundreds of years. Given their um... sexual urges urges its pretty much fact that you are Muslims.If you're not muslim, then why are ou brown?
>>80420264
>Basque people of Catalonia
wut
>>80424605
Yes, there were. But it's still not understood whether the people in Britain "became" Celts due to migration or a process of acculturation.
In any case there is no difference between a Briton and a Celt. Briton = Brython = Brettaniai, meaning anyone who hails from the British Isles. At the time this term was coined by the Greeks and Romans, they were referring chiefly to the Celtic peoples who lived there.
>>80424756
I'm Cornish, actually. Don't get arseharmed because you made stupid posts and people picked up on it.
>>80420264
>Basque people of Catalonia
nigga wut
Anyway, basques are descendants of iberians (even basque language is a dialect of iberian language). Are you implying that anglos are descendants of spaniards?
>>80424328
You realise we.are talking about iberia ~15000 years ago, right? Not modern day spain
>>80425210
Our closest common ancestry is with the Basque people
>>80425210
This anon is correct, there is evidence to show that the british population is originally from iberia
>>80425502
That doesn't help your argument because 15,000 years ago Catalonians didn't exist and the Basques STILL didn't come from Catalonia.
The Basques were most closely related to the Aquitani. They were related to Iberians proper (the people living in El Levante), but they were most closely linked to the Aquitani. Basques are not, nor have they ever been, Catalonians or from Catalonia.
>>80419936
> English heritage
> family tree can be traced back a long, long time
> mostly scandinavian, russian and ukranian DNA matches
> we wuz vikings
>>>80424996
Traitor! You're decended from the Basque!
>>80425210
We're the decendants of white spaniards (neanderthals). Hpw dopes it feel Muslim? That now we've left the EU, the Anglo Empire on the tables? We're going to ally with America, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong and all our friends. And we're going to make it so you can work 40 hours a week. The Anglos are rising my friend. We're are going to pump Benidorm full off our Basque sperm and have English Breakfast there. Your Senioritas or however the fuck you spell it wil be begging for UK sperm. Also, Gibraltor is ours. Get used to 40 hour work weeks, you cuck. Can't wait until the British Empire finishes what we started years ago.
>>80421316
>And Cornish. Studies have consistently shown that the Welsh and Cornish are genetically distinguished from their neighbours. Even the northern Welsh are distinct from those in the south.
Which ones are more on the dole?
>>80425706
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques
>>80425910
I would be proud if that were true because I have a great respect for Basques and Iberians in general. But it's not true.
Do I share ancestors with Basque people? Yes.
Are we, in general, descended from the same people? Yes.
Does that mean I'm descended from Basques? No.
Let me put it this way:
Are both ostriches and crows descended from theropod dinosaurs? Yes.
Do they descend from the same dinosaurs? Yes.
Does that mean ostriches are descended from crows? No.
This isn't very difficult.
The catalonia guy is a moron but he's still right about British people being descended from basque settlers thousands of years ago. These people were the first to settle Britain and Ireland and haven't actually ever been replaced by other peoples who settled on the islands.
The Irish are strongly associated with the celtic people and the British with the saxon people, but this is due to their cultural dominance of those areas, rather than their ethnic displacement of the original population.
>>80423639
What?
http://kvenland.com/
>>80421065
How's that falling pound going for you?
What's the deal with the welsh and cornish are they just northen frenchies then or what?
>>80426315
If you had simply ctrl+f'd that article and searched Catalonia you'd get your answer.
If you look at the map half-way down the page, where it clearly shows that the Basques occupied (as they do today) the foothills of either side of the Pyrenees, hugging the Bay of Biscay, you'd get your answer.
I say again, Basque =/= Catalan. Historical Basque territory =/= Catalonia.
>>80426144
Probably the Welsh.
>>80419936
YOURE FUCKING WHITE FAGGOT.
>British population history has been shaped by a series of immigrations, including the early Anglo-Saxon migrations after 400 CE. It remains an open question how these events affected the genetic composition of the current British population. Here, we present whole-genome sequences from 10 individuals excavated close to Cambridge in the East of England, ranging from the late Iron Age to the middle Anglo-Saxon period. By analysing shared rare variants with hundreds of modern samples from Britain and Europe, we estimate that on average the contemporary East English population derives 38% of its ancestry from Anglo-Saxon migrations. We gain further insight with a new method, rarecoal, which infers population history and identifies fine-scale genetic ancestry from rare variants. Using rarecoal we find that the Anglo-Saxon samples are closely related to modern Dutch and Danish populations, while the Iron Age samples share ancestors with multiple Northern European populations including Britain.
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160119/ncomms10408/full/ncomms10408.html
38% east England, considering it decreases going west one could say Brits are about 1/3 Anglo-Saxon on average
>>80426384
Analogy is useless because Ostiches aren't the same species as crows.
>>80426411
British people are associated with the Anglos because of Sexburga, a Gemrna Christian queen who did a lot good for people in 700AD, hence ehy Anglo culture spread. But gnetically, we aren't anglo, aside from Kent, where the Anglos cucked the local populace.
>>80426802
>>80426851
No, the Bretons are the progeny of Welshmen and Cornishmen who were fleeing the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc. We are native to the British Isles.
>>80426818
When did i mention catalonia? I mentioned iberia you fucking leaf
>>80426940
It's perfectly usable. Much as ostriches and crows are not the same species, Basques and Britons are not the same ethnic group.
But now you're nitpicking. You understood my analogy perfectly well.
>>80419936
Someones been listening to that ugly brummie nigger. You're Anglo Saxon if you're English. Celt if you're Welsh/Scot.
>>80427098
You butted in on a discussion that hinged on this assertion >>80420264. In any case, even if we were to treat Oppenheimer's conclusions as gospel it could still not be said that Britons are descended from Basques, and as such the article you posted would be of little use.
>>80427149
Yolu've already defeated yourself. Species aren't ethnic groups. I mean, I understand we're a lot smarter than the old Basques, but we're still decended from them. We're their T-Rex to their Allosauras. Except, maybe the analogy isn't completely correct. I'd say we're th Troodons, very intelligent creatures.
>>80426818
Also, that map is from time of roman arrival to iberia, not time of migration to britain
>>80425910
you are painfully ignorant, please stop. i almost regret being your countryman.
>>80420797
Atkinson has a master's in electrical engineering
>>80427628
Yes, I know that. That's what an analogy is. You make a comparison between to things that are not the same in order to make your point clearer. Why do you have to explain this?
>>80427666
And? My point is that there is no evidence, nor has there ever been, that the Basques occupied the region of present-day Catalonia. Not today, not in antiquity, and not in prehistory. Meaning that this statement >>80420264 (i.e., the one that started this entire argument) is blindingly ignorant.
>>80422181
T. Gwyneth of llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
>>80426940
Holy fuck, please kill yourself, for Britain's sake.
>>80420320
>tfw welsh
>blue eyes and blonde hair
feels comfy
>>80427742
Cannot wait until until you join our new British Empire. It could be good for you, you know? How wdo you like 40 hour work weeks? OK, you can have your siesta. Nothing wrong with that. You're very valuable Spain. We love you. Just think how srtong you could be with us. We'd control the entire mediterrainian mouth. We make great partners. Andorra too, great skiing guys. C',mon, don't you support an anglo-spanish alliance? We can offer you so much more than Merkal can. Also, your women have great tits.
>>80428046
Yeah but, like you said, we're not the same as animals. We're decended from the Basque.
>>80419936
>>50% Celtic British
>>20% Anglo-Saxon
>>20% Norse
>>5% French (whatever the fuck that is. I assume Celtic Gaulic)
>>3% Roman
>>2% Other
That's probably a decent estimation. Genetic studies have determined the average English gets 40% of their DNA from the Germanic immigrants
Keep in mind that the East Coast got more settlements than the West Coast, and some places like Cornwall got none. Cities on the East Coast are probably more like 60%.
>>80428398
What do you not understand about this? Sharing ancestors with Basques =/= we descend from Basques. It's so fucking simple.
>>80428398
I'm English, you utter mong.
>>80420797
>>80422055
based normans kangs of anglo world
>>80419936
We haven't changed that much since 600AD at the latest.
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/britons-still-live-in-anglo-saxon-tribal-kingdoms-oxford-univers/
>Geneticist Professor Sir Walter Bodmer of Oxford University said: “What it shows is the extraordinary stability of the British population. Britain hasn’t changed much since 600AD".
So yeah, we're a bit of a mix of different 'races', and we've changed so little we can still see those races today.
>>80428573
Fuck off Canadian. I don't what you are. You could be a chinky trying to get revenge for the opium wars for all I know.
>>80428727
What are you doing over there you traitor? Here I am trying to remake the British Empire only 10 times better, while you're eating Piella and drinking Mohitos? Fuck that m8, get home, we need you.
>>80419936
>>80420797
reee NORMANS GEEEEET OOOOOUT, EXTERMINATE ALL NON ANGLO-SAXON INFLUENCE!!
>>80419936
>>80428941
Oh yeah, there's effectively no Norse or Roman influence.
>>80429099
I already told you what I am. Unfortunately, even if I were a Chinaman it wouldn't help your argument.
Beware of anglo!
we mixed. britain has always been multicultural
>>80429152
the only reason the british empire/anglo world exists is because of norman colonialism/multiculturalism + other influences
>>80419936
why are the frisians never mentioned?
>>80429227
Yeah yeah wahtever chinamen. You're next. HIng Kong is begging to be under our control. And Andrea Leadsom will accept them again. Face it Chinaman, you're to under our control. And its going to be glorious, we'll make China great again. Chin up kid, a bright future awaits.
angelcynn and angelþéod not galliaríce and gallisc, OKAY!
>>80429522
There's pretty much no influence from the Norman invasions, this shouldn't be too surprising since it was mainly aristocrats that came here, much the same with The Danelaw. It's pretty much just Natives + Anglo-Saxon, but even then since the most the population has remained static for the past 1400 years, the anglo contribution is located almost solely in the south east, and even then only contributes half of their genetic makeup.
If you'd like to read more have a look at:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4632200/
As well as the Telegraph article I posted a bit ago.
>tldr: What you're posting is pseudoscientific and ahistorical.
genetically, mostly the british who came after the last ice age
http://civitas.org.uk/content/files/ANationOfImmigrants2007.pdf
>>80428405
This. Depends where you are from. As far as I know (and thats only to my grndparents great grandparents) we've always lived in Yorkshire which was a large center for the Anglo-Saxons and obviously later Danes.
>>80430468
>genetics are the most important variable to an empire's success
muh institutions, pleb
>>80420320
The fuck is this meme my welsh side of the family are all redheads with blue eyes
>>80430675
What do you think the Normans contributed that otherwise wouldn't have existed?
Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Norse, French, Romans are all Indoeuropean peoples descending from the same tribe of genocidal maniacs.
>>80419936
If you are British, your genetic make-up will mostly resemble mine.
If you are English, expect a higher concentration of Northern European - Scandinavian in your genes.
>>80431504
a kind of new colonialism that ultimately became mutliculturalism and the imperial system. EG the idea that the easiest way to rule people was to blanda up/integrate while respecting local traditions. Usually involves marrying into or co-opting local elites. You see this being reproduced outside of england in sicily soon after.
>>80432702
see
>>80430548
Nice, I only ever see 100% European from Brits Irish and Norwegians. Feels good man.
>>80433124
Your blood and purity is the only thing you give on to your children and to the world, do not squash what granted you such privileges and boons.
>>80419936
We're all Caucasians so I'm not sure race is the right word.
It was more of a clash of cultures
>>80434783
>race
>caucasians
Different genes.
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>>80432729
Not only does this post show a lack of historical knowledge of how the Normans worked and interacted with the population, it also shows a worrying lack of understanding of how any empire has operated.
>Usually involves marrying into or co-opting local elites.
This wasn't a new thing, not at all. In fact The Bastard only came to England because he was related to Edward the Confessor (through his mother I think). The elites of Europe have always interbreed.
>>80430911
>redheads
Absolutely Irish tier
So what are the typical features of each of these sub-classes?
