You ready to make a living wage, /pol/?
Or do you still want to be scammed by big corporations like a good peon?
Democrats dangle unfeasible piece of bacon in front of their mewling pets that can't see past the next ten minutes
>>80374418
does that mean u get around 2400$ for a minimum wage job
cool
Democrats will have trouble being the side of "sanity" while pushing idiocy like this
But then again, its not like their voter base cares
Wont this cause inflation?
>>80374991
Pretty much, since wages will rise corporations will offset the cost of rising wages by raising prices on goods and services
No better example of this than what's happened to Australia
We have that here and the only reason some prices are competitive with the US is because it's cheaper to ship from China to Australia than US.
Whether you get X and spend X-10 a week or Y and spend Y-10 a week is irrelevant.
>>80375102
To add to this, these morons don't realize that all this does is speed up the automation of jobs and pushing the lower class unskilled workers completely out of the workforce
>>80374418
Why does the government want to stop me from working for a low wage, if both I and my employer agree to such wage?
Here's your new rent: All the money you make from your 15 an hour job plus 800 dollars
all the sudden i go from having a good job at which i earned my way to a pay rate that is double the minimum wage to having a minimum wage job AND all my expenses have increased
fuck this gay earth i hope the sun blows up
>>80374418
Dumb fool. If wages rise at a rate dispoportionate to inflation, guess what? Inflation will increase while higher wages will wind up buying less and less. Your company will not be able to pay you and will start making larger single investments instead of multiple smaller ones to cut costs. This will wind up costing them less than continuing to employ people. (Read: automated cashier instead of a person).
>>80375652
Not only this, but it will also bring the value of the USD down
The house prices are Jewish as fuck in the north east coast though. Unless you want to live in a nigger infested shithole you'll never be able to afford a house even at $15 an hour. Our hourly wages have stagnated but the pricing of houses have kept increasing even after the market crash.
>>80374991
Not really. All the jobs that produce less than $15 an hour will be replaced by robots that do the same thing. We're already seeing this start to happen in fast food. What really needs to be done is something to reduce the cost of living especially healthcare and housing but I don't have any actual answers on how to do that so fuck me.
>>80375729
Correct. This shit's got international implications.
Right now, the minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, correct? So, this will more than double the cost of a human. There's already a big push for automation underway, and this will only kick that into overdrive.
Doing some quick back-o'-the-napkin math, if a minimum wage worker makes $15 an hour, that means they make $30K a year, plus overhead (hiring, training, etc.) means they actually cost about $45K a year. So, even if a new robot costs $90K, that robot pays for itself in two years. A pretty good investment, really.
I work in the automation industry, so all this is absolutely okey-dokey by me. Once the $15 an hour hike passes into law, I'm going to crack open a good bottle of champagne.
>>80374418
$15 is too low. I want a $100 minimum wage job NOW.
Why don't Democrats make it a $1000 minimum wage, anyways? Are they telling me some work is more valuable than other work? Fucking bigots.
>>80375767
>Reduce the costs of healthcare
Like that will ever happen without government intervention, they're making money hand over fist, why would they stop?
>>80374418
>Increase minimum pay
>More illegals enter the country
>Thinking companies will recruit people demanding $15 over illegal aliens wanting $2-3
>>80374418
While I agree that SOMETHING needs to be done about the disparity in cost of living and wage, simply jacking up the minimum wage is just gonna spell disaster either through a spike in unemployment (machines taking over grunt work) or through runaway inflation.
>>80376003
I see where you're going, but that would only happen in trades where it's easier to get away with undocumented unskilled labor, retail and food service that are corporate wouldn't be able to get away with that
>>80376113
ending the Fed's interest rate manipulation would help
People make more money, they get less gibs as a result.
The government in the other hand, makes more in taxes (because you now make more to take) AND pay out less in welfare.
They win, we loose.
Not to mention the inflation that will follow. Democrats are literally retarded and so are their voters
WHAT'S THAT POST COUNT NIGGERS?
>>80374418
The true minimum wage will always be $0.
This just destroys jobs.
>>80374418
>minimum wage goes up
>people lose jobs, companies hire less frequently
>massive unemployment
>more illegals being hired and entering the country
>companies who do not hire illegals and do not fire workers will have to jack up prices astronomically
I'm with her :^)
>>80376233
>AND pay out less in welfare.
high minimum wage means more welfare though.
>>80375270
That is happening regardless of wage, companies aren't thinking "automation is cool but we're fine with paying our workers $10 an hour"
>>80375338
It goes up every year anyway.
Raising the minimum wage isnt to make everybody rich, its to bring up a living wage that has been left behind because prices already inflated
>>80376349
I'll never understand the US issue with illegals. If illegals are really "illegal", then why not just make it illegal to hire them? Seems like it would be easy to inspect companies suspected of using "illegals".
>>80374418
If this ups my warehouse job to $25 and increases our performance needed at work which is already 300% higher than 2013 I'm gonna kill someone.
>>80376365
No shit, why would the rich want to bankroll someone's life that isn't themselves? Bunch of fucking leeches the poor
You mean lose my job because we don't make enough to bother keeping us open when they would have to pay us that much
>>80374418
That has no chance of passing and would devastate most of the country. Minimum wage should be set at the state level based on the cost of living like every respectable economist suggests.
>>80374418
I just want a basic income. Fuck the welfare system.
>>80376507
So that argument is shit
>>80374418
Who else is ready for 20 million more democrat voters?!?
#MentallyHill
>>80376470
It is illegal to hire them. Unless you're in California. Then they give you a gold medal, and all your illegal employees get protection from the federal government by the state and free driver's licenses.
>>80375917
Like I said, I don't know how to do it. But it's a major factor in cost of living and something will have to be done to reduce it.
>>80376365
paying your worker $10 an hour is probably cheaper than automation in shit like fast food.
>>80376470
Because you have a whole political party that wants them there?
And the other political party was largely run by cuckservative traitors?
>we hate corporations
>Let's increase the minimum wage and destroy small business
The mind of a liberal. I work for a very small (25ish employees) company, 15 an hour would not help the owners. I put my time in here and make decent money but people start at 10. The owners have put a lot of money into expanding in a way that is going to pay off big down the road, but as of right now being forced to pay 15 an hour for a guy to answer a phone and run payments would not be good for them.
>Be Australian
>Earn $20.70 as a casual worker packing shelves
You guys really are cucked arent you?
>tfw everyone who works with me already makes at minimum $30/hr
Feels pretty good knowing it won't affect my company.
>>80375863
Automation will happen regardless.
Were it not for capitalism we'd already have a 25 hour week
>>80376613
>respectable economist
>>80376629
How is it shit? If the purpose of a business is to offer goods and services in exchange for currency, and to be profitable, how would this not be the view when they would only worry about investors, management and the board? Fuck the peons is what it will come down to
If you're worried about minimum wage, you're screwed, regardless of the amount.
You'll do better on benefits.
>>80376417
You can't just raise minimum wage when there's high unemployment and sluggish economy. Forcing wages up by raising the minimum wage without market demand for low skilled labour going up is not a wise idea. It will make unemployment even worse and make the cost of living even worse.
>>80376711
Obviously not in the long run
The people supporting this are the same ones saying income disparity is too high.
Tip top kek
>Democrat
they just want more vote lol, some anon not long time ago post like robot/automatic machine for burger maker and waitress. Good luck american.
Oh, its another Leftists increasing the entry barrier of jobs to generate a class of gibmedats dependent loyal voters episode
It wouldn't even be an extra $1.50/hour on my paycheck. I'd just take an easier job and goof off like the niggers do.
>>80376767
But your wages won't go up. So while you (probably) worked to attain some skills that got you that job, Laquisha will be making just as much flipping burgers.
Makes you think, huh?
>>80376836
Thanks for the advice demcuck, I see your still spreading the Obummer plan
>>80374418
$15/hr minimum wage is not going to work outside of the high cost of living cities of the US.
Sure, in those cities you could raise it to $20 without big issues, but the rest of the country is just so different.
>>80376981
>$15/hr
>just as much as $42.30/hr
wat
>>80376732
That's 15 US dollars you get paid to be China's slut
>>80376813
Damn dude, you originally said that increased wages would increase automation, and then you say that business owners want automation to lower cost, so what is it...will increases wages increase automation or is automation already on its way in because it will be cheaper for a business owner regardless?
>>80376946
This.
I bust my motherfucking ass to make $15/hr now.
I'll just go get a job at Subway and do absolutely fucking nothing and be better off.
What makes a wage living?
>>80376946
This is yet another problem with the minimum wage proposal. I'd get an easier job and fuck off too.
I work for 10.10 an hour at a state run liquor store. The inly reason I am working it is for the awesome benefits, but really if I coukd make 15 an hour doing stupid work, I'd do it, fight everyine for hours, and be a fuck off about it.
>>80374418
>Go to US / Cali
>Most people I talk too work 2 jobs
>Most of them are serious in debt
>Not because of dumb shit like buying a house or car while you have zero credit
>Simple things like medical and student bills and loans they are still paying off
>Tell them that working 2 jobs and paying off this debt, not being able to afford going on holiday the next years is very bad, almost criminal slavery.
>They agree, but still believe in their system
Democracy and capitalism work but not when its this corrupted folks
Hillary is just a front puppet for the real owners of America, the people that protect their investments, i.e. the arms industry, the federal reserve. If you don't think that these institutions (because that is what they have become) control or simply bought the White House you need brain medicine.
>>80376153
>where it's easier to get away with undocumented unskilled labor
Yes, like in Sweden. Basically every single small business where they (the $15 demanders) are currently working.
$15 would be great, but it WILL fail completely in a broken system like ours.
>>80375270
Nobody talks about this actually being their goal. They want as many people dependent on big government as possible.
>>80374418
>democrats wreck rural and small city economies in favor of large high cost of living cities where $20 is already the de facto minimum wage (SF, NYC etc).
This will just cause unemployment in rural america and force all minimum wage workers into the cities, allowing the huge cities to push down wages (to $15/hr).
>>80374418
>Peon
chicANO, you have to go back.
>>80376767
It will affect you because your money will have less purchasing power. Amazing how basic economics work.
The only way to help the working poor is to stop illegal immigration.
Right now the low skill labor market is flooded with 10-20M surplus workers. That makes them cheap and disposable.
Minimum wage laws won't change that.
Poor people will vote based on this. Business owners will fire half the minimum wage staff and increase the work load. Can't wait to see their reactions.
>make 11 an hour at fast food
>date another person making 9 an hour in the same place
>rent 3 bedroom house
>support 2 kids
>live comfortably
>no benefits
Thanks Ohio.
>>80374418
>Or do you still want to be scammed by big corporations like a good peon?
a big corporation already pays me a lot more than $15/hr
Maybe if people wouldn't feel so entitled to living in $2000/month areas, buying $1500 MacBooks and drinking $5 Starcucks they could actually make a living.
>>80377044
At the current rate, it's cheaper to hire at the current minimum wage, raising the wages will I crease investment and adoption of automation in the affected sectors, it's all tied together
>>80377098
Factors that are totally differently priced in different cities.
Having one federal minimum wage is just retarded in a heterogeneous country like the US.
>>80376470
we should just let illegals off the hook if they pay taxes and then an amnesty tax on top of that.
Small businesses will definitely suffer and have to raise their prices in the near term, but big corps like McDonald's will just get on the phone with Robotic Startup Inc., and ask for another demonstration of the Burger Maker 9000, since the cutoff price for that robot just got a lot more appealing.
Lol
I remember watching an episode of Roseanne, her hot television daughter gets a job in 1994 and makes 25k/year while college age and Dan and Roseanne were jelly as fuck that their daughter made several thousand more than them.
Really makes you think
>>80377142
>$100.000 tuition medieval literature degree and $500.000 house aren't stupid
Nice one Henk
>>80376233
And those of us that put in the time to learn a practical skill won't get a 100% raise for doing nothing.
Us evil rich people that make $20 - $30 an hour will just have to eat the increased cost of living while paying a third of our income for health insurance that doesn't cover anything.
>>80374418
>You ready to make a living wage, /pol/?
I'm a graduate teaching assistant, I get paid by stipend, not wages. Increasing the minimum wage won't change my stipend.
The only difference is that now instead of getting paid slightly better than minimum wage, I'll be getting paid significantly less than it.
>>80377378
seems retarded to have a minimum wage but illegals don't have to pay it. Literally impossible to compete with illegals in that case.
>$15 minimum wage
>no jobs
>>80377098
A wage that allows someone to sustain a decent standard of life (access to housing, food, healthcare etc)
Of course wage labour as a whole sucks
>>80374418
INFLATION
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Most fast food workers don't even earn their current wage. How are they going to justify almost doubling it?
>>80377356
This. Everyone bitches about not having any money but places that make $7 ham and cheese sandwiches are somehow still in business.
>>80374418
Are you guys ready for government issued paycheques? Make sure to spend all your shekels goyim! No financial freedom for you goys!
>>80377615
By hiring non-illegals and have actual quality fast food chains?
>>80374418
Yes. I'm ready for these stupid fucking mouthbreathing idiots to be put out of jobs due to their fucking greed. Minimum wage jobs are unacceptable for anybody but high schoolers.
>Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/minimum-wage-offensive-could-speed-arrival-of-robot-powered-restaurants/2015/08/16/35f284ea-3f6f-11e5-8d45-d815146f81fa_story.html
>>80377475
Well that's what happens here. Every minimum wage job is done by people on VISAs earning less than minimum wage because they contract themselves out. Meanwhile citizens are stuck on welfare because that don't have access to these foreigner schemes.
>>80377738
>it's a /pol/ catches on a day late and a dollar short episode
>>80377475
That's why we need to bring back the closed shop, give unions more power to crack down on employers that pay people poverty wages
Immigration is caused by capitalism you kow
>>80377356
Agreed.
Though I will say American advertising certainly doesn't help matters.
Most commercials here can equate to: BUY THIS THING OR YOUR MOTHER WILL DIE IN HER SLEEP TONIGHT.
And other criminally aggressive marketing tactics.
>>80374418
>Or do you still want to be scammed by big corporations like a good peon?
Small business can't afford wage, go out of business. More money for big business.
Brilliant fucking plan.
>>80377674
How long before marijuana is currency in Canada?
>>80374823
yeah it's an extra $5k from $10.40/hr
not bad tbqh.
This is so crazy.
I can bet that Hillary is going to push this 15 dollars minimal wage meme, and when she gets in office she's just going to pull a ''oh oh, those evil republicans stopped me from implementing these policies!!!'' just further making republicans unelectable.
I refuse to believe that these people at the top are dumb enough to think 15 dollars per hour minimal wage is a good thing.
It fucks everyone up until inflation fixes it and you're back at square one.
>>80377954
>yeah it's an extra $5k from $10.40/hr
You're going to be making no money at all since any sensible employer is going to fire your ass since you're not worth that much money.
>>80377738
This is why I support a $20 minimum wage, including for tipping jobs.
Who pays small business owners a living wage?
>>80377845
The problem is that because the union were so "inept" and that portrayal was driven into the skull of every American so hard for the past 35 years, they will only make a comeback when it's too late
>>80374418
I live in my parents home on social security, we eat veggies and i still got enough money to send to my stupid sibling who is trying to live beyond their means.
when in social country, live on social warefare. when the capitalist take over again, ill have a reason to work.
>ITT Retards who cant money
>Doesnt even look at how well we people in shit-posting-land have it even with a minimum wage
>>80377142
student loans is very much dumb shit
Why not $50/hr minimum wage?
>>80374991
Jews will just raise rentals
>>80378030
bahahaha who is going to unload trucks? robots can't do it as fast as I can. who is going to help retarded customers? robots can't do it because those customers refuse to learn even a touch screen interface. who is going to get carts in the rain? robots literally can't since they're huge conduits for electricity. I don't give a fuck about lightning storms in my area.
I'll never get /fired/.
>>80377784
If you are unemployed in this country you are literally useless.
>>80378065
They make their money from customers. dum-dum
So how do burgerflippers, self stockers etc. currently survive in NYC and such places with the 7,25/hour min. wage?
>>80374418
>Democrats abandoning working class to provide international corporations with cheap labor
>use identity politics to try and silence complaints
>Trump enters race
>gives no fucks, build wall and bring back muh jobs
>working class Democrats flocking to Trump
>DNC: "oh shit we gotta do something"
Yeah this isn't going to work, it might keep underemployed college graduate Bernie bros enthusiastic but it won't undo the damage the Democrats have done to what was their own base.
>>80377738
what do you expect someone out of high school to do? what's a non-minimum wage job for someone out of high school?
>>80375917
They'll set the price however linear programming tells them to set the price. So if that's a lower price for more buyers, it will be a lower price.
>>80374418
>how to make inflation sky rocket
Pay your respects to all the elderly people that have been saving up money all their lives
F
>>80378350
they have these things called roommates. not everyone lives on their own. in fact, i would say a good deal of people CAN'T live on their own.
>>80377246
>implying I buy fast food like a degenerate
>>80378350
They spend a long-ass time commuting in from places where housing is cheaper.
>>80378341
Yeah, and they have to pay rent of they don't own the property, licenses to sell literally anything they sell (food, tabacco, etc), electricity, water, supplies, and the thing that they sell.
Oh and a $15 min wage :^) I'm sure they can survive on making 2% of their gross profit
>Get more money
>Have to spend more money
WOOOOOOOOOOW ITS ALMOST LIKE IT DOESNT ACTUALLY MATTER
I just got hired as an apprentice meat cutter making $14.55/hr. If minimum gets raised to $15 what will my wage get raised to?
>people living at $15 an hour
Lol and they claim US isn't third world
I wouldn't even lift a finger a cent below $30/hour + private healthcare plan. And I'm working class.
>>80378327
They'll get third worlders who will do it under the table.
>>80377845
>give unions more power
fuck off. Unions ruin everything. Just have a low minimum wage. I don't mind having a minimum wage. But raising for social justice reasons when labour demand has not increased is dumb. It's as stupid as rent controls when there's a lack of supply for housing.
>>80378776
wrong. walmart doesn't like third worlders, and third worlders hate walmart.
that's the solitary benefit of being black. i'll always have a job because no one EXPECTS ME to want a job. hahahha thank you /pol/
>>80375270
Losers should be pushed out. We can't just always be like "oh no but these super low class unskilled guys aren't getting what they deserve!" but if they continue to fuck up there's no point in helping them.
Trump's "help out lazy white people who have no excuse outside of their own failures to not work" is no different than giving free shit to psychopaths and other worthless people.
>>80378637
What makes you think that I didn't understand this? Are you explaining it to yourself, or what?
yeah because EMT Drivers dont work as hard as McDonalds workers.
>>80375751
You could always move out of the city
>>80379201
If you really think small mom and pop stores can afford it you're nuts.
>>80379018
realistically you gotta pay for shittly unskilled people one way or the other. In terms of welfare, prison costs, riots etc. It's arguable to putting some money in place to encourage as many as possible into jobs where they pay for themselves can be a worthy investment.
Best idea would be to just kill everyone who can't support themselves. But human society of any form is unlikely to be comfortable with that.
>>80374418
>Living wage
>Too expensive to employ people
>Automate minimum wage jobs
>Instead of making "living" wage you now make no money ;^)
>Starve
>No more poor people
>>80378327
The idea is to use robots so we no longer have to keep retarded people around.
>>80375767
Making it so that people can buy health insurance across state lines is a start. More competition is always better.
Why do people base "living wage" on "the price of a 1 bedroom apartment".
Shit, nigga, nobody starts off in their own 1 bedroom apartment. Not unless mommy and daddy helped you start there. Most people start out renting a single room in a bigger place. It's a lot cheaper to share a kitchen, share a bathroom, share a living room, etc. Someone on minimum wage does not need their own, personal, private kitchen and shower. That's luxury.
>>80379443
>realistically you gotta pay for shittly unskilled people one way or the other
I'm fine with this. The problem is that very few people in North America are actually poor. Most of them just live way above their means, live in areas they can't afford, and can't manage their money.
You aren't entitled to the latest iPhone, the latest Macbook, an apartment in SF and two trips to Starbucks daily just because you exist. You can get by without those things and the current minimum wage can provide the necessities as long as people aren't retarded with their money.
>>80379647
that's the idea. bring it to fruition or shut the fuck up.
>inb4 you bring in a kill bot to forcibly remove all poor people
>>80379851
uh where do you live that you can just rent a room? not only is that dangerous as fuck (in theory), but it isn't an apparent course of action here in my state of texas.
>>80380036
Anyplace that isn't texas
>muh inflation
It's not inflation, it's called the wage-price spiral.
>>80380261
There is a correlation between the wage-price spiral and inflation
I don't see the problem with raising the minimum wage. It encourages companies to automate their work force, which would increase production overall. Plus its the nigs that'll be out of jobs, they're bad workers.
There's the issue of inflation, but I don't understand its impact. Will minimum wage really increase inflation, and if so what will that impact?
>>80380036
Shared living is common everywhere.
Have you really never heard someone complain about their roommate?
>>80380036
What do you think we've been doing? Companies like Lego and Ikea have fully automated warehouses already. Cars are entirely built by robots. I was in a cookie producing baking factory about a month ago. The only people there worked in packaging, because the robots to do packaging were still being built off-site.
Right now robots primarily work in controlled environments but we're working on fixing that too. Unskilled work == fucked.
>>80374418
>Being this economically illiterate.
$15 minimum wage just means EVERYTHING is going to cost significantly more, there will be significantly less jobs and more people will begin to cheat the system by paying under the table etc screwing the government out of its dumb ass taxes.
Democrats need to speak with some economists instead of thinking with their feelings because they're getting really close to irreversibly fucking things up.
>>80374418
I already make a living wage.
Also, what constitutes a living wage varies wildly from place to place so the minimum wage should be set locally rather than federally.
>>80380036
lolwut. You some kinda ivory tower type or what?
I just picked a random city in Texas and checked Craigslist and there's tons of rooms for rent.
"Dangerous". Well don't just slap down cash on a room without checking it out first. Bring a friend to check it out with you if you think you need backup. Lots of rooms for rent are in really nice neighborhoods, too. Someone has a $2000/month mortgage and wants to knock off $650/month by renting out a spare bedroom. Cheaper than renting your own apartment and probably a much nicer space.
I have my own house these days but I started off sharing a 3 BR apartment with two coworkers.
As long as minimum wage is set to such a level where it disqualifies minimum wage workers from receiving food stamps and other government hand outs, I'm all for it. I can imagine the left cry-a-thon when they realize they don't qualify for college tuition assistance, EBT, healthcare, etc. because they chose to make $15/ hr their political baby.
>>80374418
Its time to start paying proper salary for shitty and dirty jobs that many people dont want to do. Employers constantly whine how they cant find employees for these jobs. Of course they will find employees but they need pay more to attract people. Thats how markets work.
OH SORRY you only like market economy when it means lower labour costs and rising revenues for you. Silly me!
>>80374418
no, because I already make more than that.
don't want my earning depreciated because of some dindu dishwasher.
>>80380809
>minimum wage workers will no longer recieve social help for being poor
they will tough.
>>80380809
It will just mean they work fewer hours.
I think there are studies about this already. When minimum wage goes up, a lot of workers ask for fewer hours because they don't want to give up benefits.
Kinda hilarious, really.
>Tyrone works 40 hours a week.
>We raise minimum wage so now he works 30 hours a week and makes the same money and benefits.
>>80374418
>$15 an hour
No, this is completely retarded. Minimum wage in my state is $7.25 and that's perfectly fine because the cost of living is pretty low. This would literally more than double labor costs and devastate small, rural communities. Fucking liberals.
>>80380955
market economy means if you got people who will do it for cheap, there is no reason to try to appeal to more workers by raising the wages.
to force people to pay more for what they can et for cheap isn't market economy. market economy is when people decides by thmeselves to raise wages to get more workers.
I've got an idea for a new burger, I call it the "Mc Roasty".
It's a quarter pound of honey glazed roast beef, double-mayo and sprouts sitting on a sliced yeast bun..... what do you think?
>>80381329
It can be like that or it can be like I described: you cannot find workers because you pay low wage. So the solution for the problem is to pay better wage but of course it wont happen because you can organize endless stream of immigrants who will do it for even lower pay.
>>80380620
>>80380620
>>80380620
This.
$15 an hour will do jack shit in most states.
Pic related is for a 2-bedroom rather than say a studio, so obviously you'd need to re-run the numbers, and also look at some of the cheaper ares to live instead (shouldn't be factoring in gated communities), but the principle remains the same in that the number varies wildly.
>>80381133
But goyim! Why don't you move to the city??
>>80380809
She's uggo as fugg
Nice biddies tho
>>80381790
forgot the pic. Must have been some kind of Jewish trick to make me space it.
>>80378999
why are niggers always so pathetic and always takes gib me dats? even woke niggers are degenerates
>>80376470
>why not just make it illegal to hire them?
it is, you moron
companies just do it anyway. the government simply doesn't care about enforcing these laws.
>>80375767
>robots will be industry viable by the time the $15 minimum wage passes
You're a fucking idiot for falling for the robotics meme this hard.
>>80381035
Minimum wage fag here. Thats actually what happened at home depot.
>>80381609
>pay better wages
as long as you decide by yourself you lack the workforce. if its coming from above as law its no longer free market.
>but immigrants
yup. immigrants are cheap workforce.
but if they can live on such a low salary, why can't you?
(i live on social walfare btw. thats the right way to live in a social country.)
>>80374567
FPBP
>>80375270
Have you not yet realised that this is what Democrats want? Force the working poor into the welfare poor. Make them dependent on the state, which makes them guaranteed Democrat voters. Meanwhile, you're basically given a carte blanche to your business donors to speed up automation.
It's really the perfect policy for the Democrats. Make slaves out of Americans, enlarge profits for the elite.
>>80381035
>more free time to himself
sounds nice
>>80378706
the same as that no skilled piece of crap screwing up a burger order
>>80376417
>implying it won't rise even more due to the new pay
>implying minimum wage was ever meant for the poor and not for teenagers working their first time job
>implying that a person only capable of working at Taco Bell and McDonalds should be able to live despite having no defining abilities whatsoever at all
>implying that a job at Taco Bell or KFC is meant as a job from which one can life it's life
>>80379326
Precisely this. In a normal economy, the over inflated house prices in one area would lead to a move of people to a less over priced area, leading to economic stimulus in that area and thus increasing competition between cities and regions.
Instead, these faggots obsessed with living in Jew York and going to all their indie bars - and who think it beneath them to go live in Iowa - are keeping those house prices high by keeping demand high.
>>80381897
That's exactly the shit I was talking about though.
You don't rent a goddamn 2 bedroom apartment on minimum wage. Minimum wage means you're renting a single bedroom out of a 2-4 bedroom place, in which case I would bet every single one of those states becomes "below $14.50".
It baffles me that people think minimum wage earners should have their own private house and private kitchen and personal bathroom and personal living room. Should they get a butler, too? Should we add that into the living wage calculations? Shit.
>>80374418
When companies crash and burn bankrupted by the living wage, the life of peon's will look like a luxury to those backing the living wage. Even the minimum wage is a disaster for the private sector. Nice one.
>>80376792
>implying that $7.25 and $15 per hour have the same monetary implications and provide the same incentive for capitalists to invest in automation
>>80382418
>>implying that a person only capable of working at Taco Bell and McDonalds should be able to live despite having no defining abilities whatsoever at all
the right to live is a basic human right.
T. democracy
>>80382290
It is, but that's not the narrative being put forward by minimum wage cucks, is it.
"Tyrone works 40 hours a week and that's too much! We need to raise minimum wage so he can work less!"
>>80382097
>what is self-checkout
>what is using a touch screen for your order instead of a cashier
>>80376153
You mean...millions of jobs in the agricultural sector?
>>80381035
This happened in Oregon.
>>80382731
>replacing a cashier means you've replaced the entire labor force
>>80376792
>Automation will happen regardless.
That's the most retarded argument here.
Lots of things will happen "regardless" but that doesn't mean you should make stupid decisions to make them happen sooner.
>>80382848
The food line is practically automated anyway. They would just need to tie it all together and have someone re supply it once in awhile.
>>80374567
>Democrats dangle unfeasible piece of bacon in front of their mewling pets that can't see past the next ten minutes
>>80374418
>currentyear
>still uneducated pleb
>still shilling
>still statist power-mongrel
>>80377615
>fast food workers dont earn their wage
>fast food chains make big profits year on year
>>80374418
>Higher minimum wage = less jobs
>Higher minimum wage = more businesses automating jobs with robots
>>80382848
Just one example of low hanging fruit. We already know the days of fast food workers are numbered.
One guy in this thread said he was a meat cutter. I wonder how hard it would be to make a robot that can do his job. Apparently hard enough that places aren't rushing to replace him but as wages go up and robot costs go down, more jobs will go that route.
It might be inevitable that automation replaces most jobs involving rote mechanical tasks (like cutting meat or making sandwiches) but we speed it up by raising minimum wage, and leave a lot of under-educated people in the wind.
>>80382995
That still doesn't even scrape the surface of the jobs that make up the labor force
>>80376153
Even though ny and probably other states give ID's to people so they can get jobs while here illegally
If employee costs go up, the prices go up if companies are still to make profit. So salaries go up and prices go up, and nothing changed. Do niggers not understand economics?
>>80374567
It is funny how Democrats blatantly try to buy votes.
This is why literally 95% of black people vote Democrat (true story). They also get the majority of the "high school or less" vote.
>>80383001
edited it so the fact that it's talking about min wage is more obvious
>>80374418
no now my contracted job is going to pay less than minimum wage.
>>80383133
I'm not saying it will never happen. I'm saying that anon is retarded for thinking the entire labor force will be replaced in the next 5 or so years
>>80374991
No. Raising wages doesn't create more money in the market, it's only distribute more balanced.
However some things may get more expensive (Poor's Man Needs), others may get cheaper (luxury stuff). But overall it won't cause an actual inflation.
Actually it may slow down the inflation. Since less people will have to take debts so this mean banks will not create money out of nothing as fast as they do now...
>>80376470
>ireland
>84,421 km2
>6,378,000
>usa
>9,833,517 km2
>323,625,762
something something 116 times as big
something something 50 times as many people
something something from $15.00 (or for now $7.25) per hour per employee to $3.00 per hour per employee
60 employees? 6 hours per day? for one week? disregarding taxes?
legal: $18,270.00 (soon to be: $37.800)
illegal: $7.560
something something soon to be 5 times as cheap
here's your reply.
>>80382995
Yea no.
Things like service staff can be replaced entirely, but robots arent good enough to cook food
>>80383229
Fast food workers are about 2.4% of the labor force. Retail is another 3.3%.
"Restaurant workers" is a solid 10% of all employees in America (but some of them will survive. There will always be nice restaurants where people don't want a robot serving them, but I bet a lot of those kitchen workers and all of the lower end chain workers will go.)
>>80382258
Of course I've realized this Gary, that was the point of the post
>>80382810
OF COURSHE
>>80382541
Yeah like I said you'd need to rerun the numbers.
Knock it down to a studio or single bedroom apartment (minimum standard of living) would remove probably $2-3 from those numbers, then factor out the super nice areas and look at areas where rent is cheaper like the lower-income neighborhoods, and you'd save probably another $2-3 again.
You would end up with a min wage around $7.50 in Arkansas for example, which is hardly a bump from what the Federal is now.
You could even make the argument, I think, that the states could diversify it further based on cities (in Jew York City for example, not even 2 or 3 workers rooming together could afford a studio, but out in the actual state area farther away from the city it's substantially cheaper).
Then all you have to do is ban companies from hiring blacks, indians, or mexicans, and you've solved both the unemployment and poverty problem.
>>80375270
>speed up the automation of jobs
How is this bad?
Once the whole world is on automation, communism will became a thing, it will just impose itself as the only solution. Actual communism not some USSR BS...
Also money will disappear, and the goals of production will become based on human needs.
I'm confused... Are there actually adults in America that work for minimum wage? I never made anything less than $9 an hour, and I first made over $15 an hour when I was 24, working in a lumberyard. No high school diploma, and obviously no college.
>>80377142
>student bills and loans
>implying most of them didn't do a shit study and fucked themselves over
>implying most of them did any form of research on how viable their job opportunities were for their study
Should've asked those questions. If they had been STEM honours students, you might've a point, however if they're your run-off-the-mill gender studies student, you can't blame the system for the failures which where definitely the fault of the student in question.
>>80382664
(((democracy)))
Commieforna here
I'm a lead line going on sous chef at a popular bar/pub in my city , I'm going to have to leave California when it goes to 15$/hr
fast food places are already building and preparing automatic establishments where only one person works, the person over the order intercom ? From Arazona where min wage is lower
To compete , non fast food places are going to really jack up the prices, and here they are already marked up to ridiculous levels just to break even, and no ones going to be able to afford it.
15$/hr is going to fucking murder the more traditional industry
>>80374418
Minimum wage jobs are for students and unskilled morons who wasted their time not learning a valuable skill to make money from.
>>80377643
>paying $7 for a sandwich
what the fuck?
>>80374418
democrats dont control the legislative branch. state level adjustments above the federally mandated level are already in place
are blue states ready to admit they are wrong or do you want more jobs to flood red states? because the red states wont budge. not happening
>>80378391
A real job. Not some bullshit at KFC.
>>80374418
We don't need a raised minimum wage, we need jobs
>>80374418
sage
>>80383636
Not just that but 98% of Ireland is made up of White Irish with some kind of formal education meaning they have skills. In the US there are entire areas made up of uneducated minorities.
>>80374418
I already make a living wage because I did my homework but thanks anyways /pol/
>>80384040
Exactly, the end of days
>>80384125
>>>/S/yria
>>80374418
$15/hr. minimum wage would never pass congress. The Democrats are b8ing, and doing a pretty good job of it.
>>80374418
I'm 18, working at a gas station. If this happens I know I lose my job, no work means if I want to go to college I can't save, I have to take out a loan, then I get buttblasted by student debt
Thanks for embracing this
>>80374567
It's not unfeasible, it's just going to make fast food restaurants more palatable since i wont have to interact with negroes.
And they'll go find shit jobs elsewhere.
>>80374418
Is life really that expensive in America that they'd need $15/hour to merely survive?
>>80384385
Gonna have to agree, Republican controlled Legislature will not pass it
>>80374418
OP, so pathetic he needs his mommy Hillary to make his mean boss give him a raise.
Liberal cucks are the worst cucks.
>>80378329
This lol
You can literally get paid 30 dollaroos to bartend or babysit
TBQH I'm not sure exactly how production ready the burger flipping robot is. Even if it is , I don't think Robotics can as yet, replace most of the low paying jobs.
Ironically the vast majority of jobs that robotics/automation will replace are actually medium paying jobs. This is the sad truth of Automation.
>>80384039
I'm still arguing that even a single bedroom or studio apartment is above "minimum standard of living".
Minimum standard of living should be renting a single room from a larger unit.
Studio apartments are considered a luxury in more expensive cities purely because you have a whole place to yourself.
>>80383543
What are you? On mobile
>>80374567
>I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years -LBJ
>222 replies
I already know /pol/ is too stupid and underage to realise the true issue is the massive ceo salary increases of the 80s and before, so let's skip to the other issue.
The difference between minimum wage and liveable wage.
>>80382664
>implying an arbitrary list of """"""""""""basic human rights""""""""""" is somehow relevant
>implying that the right to live means you can slack off and be a failure
Either educate yourself and get a real job. Or be a failure for the rest of your life working 84 hours at Mc Donalds. $2436 dollars is pretty reasonable per month right? Just 12 hours a day. No human rights are violated here at all. Fuck off. Democracy does not need that arbitrary list of """basic human rights""""
>>80383543
How does printing more money not cause loss of value/inflation?
>>80374418
This shit will fucking ruin me. I have no college education. I have been struggling for 8 years now in the blistering sun, digging holes, laying wire, you tubing electrical schematics and how to determine capacitance and ohms in my free time (I work 60-80 hours a week so there isn't much of that).
For all of my effort, which I guarantee is 8 times more effort than any of these entitled children has ever put into ANYTHING in their life, I now make 20.40 per hour, having started at $9 8 years ago.
I am proud of myself, proud of my ability to provide for the needs of my family, and proud of my father for instilling a work ethic in me since I was young. I hope one day to make $30 an hour, this will be around the cap for my field.
That being said, they want to give entitled shits and degenerate scum $15 right off the bat? What have I been working for all these years? The value of my dollar is going to plummet and all of my work is going to have been for nothing.
I FUCKING HATE DEMOCRATS AND I FUCKING HATE NIGGERS
>>80374418
I am getting ready to fire my worst preforming employees to make up for the wage increase and become a much leaner, profitable company. GJ dumbasses, you would rather earn $0/hr instead of $10/hr.
>>80384543
Only in big metro areas like New York and LA. Which is why this whole concept is complete BS. In NY, you'll pay $2500 a month for a studio apartment too small for a queen sized bed. In most of the south, $2500 a month gets you a 5br home with acreage. $15 an hour is going to drive the south into economic ruin.
>>80384538
Why the fuck did your parents not save for you? You can be a plumber or something like that right? Be realistic and work in the production/service sector. Save up, buy a house, get a wife, raise kids, save up for them, let them go to college? Are you such an egocentrical bitch that it's either you go to college by drowning yourself in debt, or no one ever goes to college at all?
So does the UK get £350m a week in the NHS now?
>>80384052
Only 1.3 million make actual federal minimum wage.
So about 0.9% of the work force....
Articles online say 42% make under $15/hour, though. Which is why this would probably wreck the economy. Not sure what happens when you give a pay raise to 42% of the people in the country but I bet it causes a lot of shockwaves.
>>80385007
*The South, Midwest, Southwest, and any rural area not mentioned
Fixed
>>80384887
Based electrician. You worked hard senpai, you deserve the pay, but for now, you're fucked.
You saving up for your children mate?
Got a wife?
>>80374991
Globally prices wont change much at all, but many small buisiness will be forced to raise their prices while big companies will maintain prices because they can eat the extra cost.
>>80374418
So if i make 15$ an hour now what happens to me? Do i just end up making minimum wage which ive busted my ass to get away from for years or will i get a raise to compensate me?
>>80374418
Oh yay, I can have my living standard lowered to that of minimum wage workers because I make $11 as an EMT and my income will not go up to match.
>>80385153
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>>>>>42%
>mfw the dems are literally going to force a raise for 42% of the population
hahahahhahahahahhahahhaha
jesus christ this so fucked up I don't even anymore
>>80385153
Tack one fucking dollar onto the minimum wage and I bet you 10% make that amount of less dude.
Sure only 1% make minimum wage, that's because you typically get some token raise of .25 or so at any minimum wage job after 30-90 days.
If the minimum wage is 7.50 and you're making 7.80, that's fucking minimum wage m8
>>80385281
You will obviously not get a raise and your standard of living will decrease to match Jamal and Tyrone that are working at McDonalds.
At least everybody is eating shit together though!
>>80385281
You'll probably be laid off and get no money depending on your seniority in the company you work for.
>>80382731
Maybe 1 in 5 places actually use these. And of them, it's literally cheaper to just hire someone, even for $15 an hour, than buy these pricey machines and keep up with maintenance. I hope you aren't basing these opinions off that CGPgrey video are you? Because that's been blown to holy hell by most economists
>>80385225
I am 26 and my fiancée is pregnant with my son. I am so proud, I have never felt more alive in my whole life. I'm really diving into my work and studying in my free time more intensely than I ever have now.
>>80384706
It's not right to have to share where you shit.
I want to make $15 (oh wait I already do) and be forced to pay $5 for a loaf of bread and $7 for a gallon of milk
>>80374418
I can finally earn the $15 dollars an hour the market doesn't support! I'll be flipping burgers for life. This is great. I'm with Her!
Republicucks are mad they barely make that with their meme computer science "STEM" degrees lmao
>>80384199
he lives in a high cost of living state. i pay $6 for a rushes double cheese burger. that thing is big. same for a hardees thick burger. its only like $3.50 for a chickfila sandwich
i wouldnt pay $7 for a normal ham and cheese sandwich. maybe $0.75
>>80385412
They won't. This is just pandering that has 0% chance of passing. Obama couldn't even come remotely close to getting the votes needed to raise it to $10.10. He got so thoroughly destroyed on that that he hasn't even brought it up in years outside of defending Hillary.
>>80384844
Pfft. Bernie please.
If you took the income of the McDonalds CEO (almost $8 million -- presumably counting stock sales and other income, but lets just go with it) and divided that by all McDonalds employees (420,000), you could give each employee an extra $18.
Per year.
>ceo salary is the problem!!! herp derp
lol. you democrats are like a bunch of high school dropouts when it comes to math. what am I saying. statistically you ARE high school dropouts.
>>80374418
>democrats embrace unemplyoment
ftfy
>>80384653
You have no idea, m8.
Basic jobs have been so simplified that all they involve is pressing buttons on a touch screen, and not even little ones - maybe 2-4 on screen at once, max. Self-checkout is more complicated than what the employees get. They don't even need a robot, just the arm.
On the other hand, not only has automation been taking things over for at least a decade now, it's not as free as retards think. You can always lay off employees or shift salaries around. A machine or a robot on the other hand, is a HUGE cost, and once you have it, that's it. You can't get rid of it and get some cash back, and scraps are hardly worth anything.
AI, immigration, corporate taxes, and regulations are what really has a hold on wages, at every point on the spectrum.
>>80385762
>Bernie
Stopped right there, nigger. GOP from birth to death. Go back to your home board >>>/gaia/
>>80385498
>>80385505
Trade meme strikes again I suppose. Was hoping to start my own buisness sometime soon in the future with the knowledge ive gained but whats the point? I worked hard for the past six years to learn and grown and now all of a sudden somebody with no experience deserves the same wage as me? Guess hard work is no longer one of our countrys touted virtues. Why are people so hell bent on ruining america?
>>80374418
Enjoy being laid off. Things are going to get crazy if that happens. Not enough jobs already.
>>80385738
Found another nigger.
>he doesn't even know a wage increase has already been happening for years now
>>>/school/
>>80385071
>get a wife
Ya know, this is a worthy mention in itself.
We live in an era where more and more people seem to be shunning marriage and aiming to go at it solo. They might be in a long term relationship but they are each trying to have their own space.
Marriage is a great pooling of resources. If one of you doesn't have to work, great, you've just taken someone out of the workforce and made labor a little more valuable. If you both work, that's also great, you can split all the bills.
It's much more efficient to live the married life. I regret all the years I spent literally fucking around.
Ironically, you know who has really tried to break up the concept of marriage?
Motherfucking Democrats.
I'm a rather liberal democrat and I don't understand at all why minimum wage exists. Liberalism is about individual freedom of choice. In the 1950s a revolution within liberalism occurred where the idea became 'there is no way to have freedom of choice so long as inequality exists' because people born in poor circumstances have little freedom of choice. This is a position I support, within reason. Inequality can never be eliminated, but it can be managed.
Minimum wage does nothing to solve inequality. It removes a person's freedom of choice when starting a business, something which solves inequality far better. Minimum basic income is the solution, not minimum wage.
Why, why, why, do my fellow democrats not understand this?
>>80374418
You know, I can't find a job as is. This is going to make it so much worse.
>>80374418
I work 2 minimum wage jobs (don't judge - still in school) and think that this is cancer. My $10/hour (not including tips) is easily enough for anybody who isn't fiscally Bernie-tier retarded or stupid enough to have children while working at a fast food chain to live.
>>80380955
I know plenty of people who want my shitty job, but too many of them are unqualified. Thus, they should just get payed less and get hired.
>>80384867
>gradeschool level of understanding economics and everything
you sound like a retarded kid mouthing off what he heard his retarded daddy talk about after beating his mommy again
go get rekt you stunted slime
>>80378329
I built flight controls and weapon systems for the govt at ITW corporation for about 20 years. Got laid off, entire engineering department replaced by H1B's. Can't find a job anywhere.
>>80374418
doubling minimum wage and free college, where is the money to fund this shit.
>>80386023
No, your inability to read more than 1 word or look up facts or do basic math paints you as a Hillary lover.
The real question is, when you work in the Hillary Social Media Troll Center, do they pay you $15/hour??
Serious question. I wonder what those Hillary shills get paid. I bet it's < $15/hour.
>>80385556
Study hard, educate yourself, aim for that $30.00 an hour, but always look to aim even higher.
You'll be fine senpai, I'll trust in that.
>>80386238
How's he a nigger? A real nigger would know that he would get more money, right?
>>80386023
That's sad. If you didn't even bother to read the rest of his argument, I'll gladly argue it for you:
If you took the income of the McDonalds CEO (almost $8 million -- presumably counting stock sales and other income, but lets just go with it) and divided that by all McDonalds employees (420,000), you could give each employee an extra $18, per year.
Here you go. Think about that for a moment or two.
>>80384881
money is not magical you dumbass
it doesn't magically lose value
only retards think money is magical
that it does shit automatically
no, you stupid tard, the only things that raise prices are greedy fucks just waiting for any bullshit excuse to do so
the only thing causing 'loss of value' are greedy fucks pretending that this is a real thing
money is imaginary
it is not magic
greed is what turns everything to shit
greedy people are worthless and should be banned from having money
>>80384887
>eight years for 20 an hour
>wireman
Trolls can't even be assed to use google anymore.
Let's pretend your bizarro world is real. Your father is a loser for not teaching you shit, since your "work ethic" came down to "being a peon while hoping you can surf to old age."
>>>/kansas/
>>80386050
>why are people so hell bent on ruining America
Not "people".
Democrats.
See also: George Soros. Always wondered if he was just a batshit crazy old fuck or if he actually is trying to ruin western civilization on purpose.
>>80374418
States like Maine will literally collapse
>>80384887
>years ago
>doesn't understand inflation is greedyfucks
>feels entitled to something even more than anyone but hates on people who want to fucking survive without cutting his fucking head off and taking what he's got
You must want everyone to come take what you have then dumbass
you should kill yourself with some voltage
suck on a high voltage wire you sick fuck
>>80374418
Say it with me: "Automation".
In 10-15 years you will have the same people screaming for minimum wage screaming for either universal basic income or "human quotas" for companies to fill.
>>80386267
Isn't that part of the endgame though?
>raise wages
>poor get poorer as living costs rise
>unemployment of the poor rise
>marriage is slowly destroyed
>the poor become completely reliant on welfare
>democrats have all the voters they want. Forever.
>>80386784
Ever since we switched from the gold standard, the value of the dollar is based on the faith of the American system, so you're wrong and it is indeed based on magic
>>80374418
But I already bring home six figures. You niggers can't live in that?
>>80383406
You should edit the
>5 officers slain: Who were they?
to
>5 officers slain: Or were they?
>>80384903
you are probably a shitty retard of a boss
I bet working for you isn't worth whatever puny wages you grudgingly squeeze out of your tight-assed prickery
you pat yourself on the back for being a dick everyday
you shouldn't be allowed to be boss of anyone
your company should be taken away from you and given to people who are willing to do a good job at it instead of being a piece of shit to everyone
>>80387180
That's not the zero sum though
>every country's citizens are now completely reliant on the state except for those already rich
>promote race mixing further for lack of cultural/ethnical identity
>one world government that takes precedence over any local/national government
>rule new class of mudbloods and turn the world into a complete fiefdom run by the global elite
Democrats will adopt just enough of Bernie's platform, by the end of the convention, to keep the Bernouts and those upset about the emails, from going to Stein, Johnson, or Trump.
Then they will forget about it after the election. If brought up they will blame those "damn evil republicans".
>>80385007
That's a feature since that's the liberals arch enemies.
>>80387180
Yep. And it works.
Democrats aim to keep poor people poor, but in a subtle way. And the poorest of the poor vote for them year after year, because of the handouts.
>>80374418
How about oversight on spending since we damn well know money is vanishing somewhere goy. Yes YES print more money with nothing backing it up. Anything dems want is poisonous. How about strict oversight by commitees ran by people and lower taxes? One can dream.
>>80386325
It should be managed in a different way. Within two or three generations under the current system, if all the generations actually would put in the effort, a just arrived legal family with nothing, could easily rise up to middle class status. Why do you feel the need to eliminate inequality within a single generation? It's completely unrealistic and favours lowlives who do nothing, inherently undermining my system of multiple generations. My system would far more easily allow for a steady state as all the generations have worked for their status. This would ensure atleast three generations of attempted effort, instead of a single generation which consists of lowlives who are paid for by your desperate attempts at removing inequality
>but I said within reason
>implying that a political organisation will not go further than your "within reason" supported by the many useless ones that vote for them
>implying that niggers and thrash will listen to your "voice of reason"
also
woudl you seriously consider voting for Hillary?
$15/hr minimum wage will do nothing until the welfare cliff ends. No reasonable person will take a slightly higher wage at the loss of 30k in benefits.
It's fine, I hope we soon have a trucker fallout due to self driving trucks.
It will be awesome, loser market oversaturated with people that want a minwage job, and high minimum wage.
It will be the final happening.
>>80374418
When the people that control the minimum wage are the same ones that control interest rates and the value of the dollar, economics is nothing but theater.
>>80386325
>>80387792
Actually, inequality cannot be solved and rational people should not even try to solve it. Inequality is a fact of human existence.
>>80386430
>personal attacks are reasonable counterarguments
Give me a real counterargument instead of your blabbering. All I said was that if actually work minimum wage in the city (where $2000 per month is standard) then you deserve to work 12 hours a day because you're fucking retarded. You should educate yourself (a plumber earns more than $15 per hour), and get a real job.
>>80386570
You're a shill.
>>80388186
We need drugs in the water supply that make people not prejudice.
>>80387180
More than likely they'll all work part time and only collect around 29k or less before taxes to maintain maximum welfare eligibility and it'll allow employers to remove them from health insurance plans.
>>80387679
This is literally why I will vote Trump.
I think he's the first real candidate in a long time that stands any chance of finding out where all the fucking money is going.
Department of Education gets almost $80 billion per year. And bear in mind the DOE does not pay salaries or build schools -- that's all state and local taxes (usually county taxes).
It's mind boggling to figure out what happens to all the money in all these various government departments.
And the military claims they can't maintain readiness, despite an income that, even inflation-adjusted, is much higher than they ever got during the height of the cold war. We were ready for World War 3 back in 1970 but now we can barely handle Afghanistan on a budget that's much bigger?
It's all lining the pockets of politicians (and their families, friends and allies).
We have to clean that shit up.
>>80374418
Aren't multinational corporations the only companies that can afford the $15 minimum wage? Wouldn't that put more small businesses out of business due to inflation and other effects of raising wages so drastically?
>>80385281
>or will i get a raise to compensate me?
kek
>>80385336
I make 3x that with a poly sci degree fresh from college lmao
>>80388186
Never stated it would annihilate inequality, but atleast it would reserve the good parts of equality for those that actually worked for it.
>>80374418
Any politician that is constantly screaming inequality and for a drastic increase in the minimum wage is corrupt and is part of a devious scheme against the American people. Inequality is ingrained into every part of human existence. An increase in the minimum wage will cause even more divide and problems within the African American communities, who no one is going to hire at $15. Get rid of the minimum wage and lower our labor costs, even if it means getting rid of the current welfare and implementing a system where the government will fill in the rest of your salary up to a point if you can prove you're working 40 hours a week. This will get people off the street, since they will be pressured to find jobs by their families and provide more stability.
>>80374991
It will cause food prices to rise considerably, also consumer goods will rise in price, any business that uses min wage labor will have to raise prices. Also any working for those businesses will be paying more for health insurance since these employers will certainly be cutting their contribution %. Basically its a pay cut for anyone making more than min wage
>>80374418
I would rather just be given a pathway to a better job. Why not put immigrants to work at McDonalds and give Americans real jobs?
>>80388601
lmao no you don't
>>80380498
Work in general is kinda fucked, the unskilled market is getting replaced by machines, so in response the parts of that market that can't be replaced by machines are going to be overflowing, and it goes on up.
>>80388605
Alright. A meritocracy is a more sustainable and laudable goal
>>80388450
The DOE is filled with novel ideas like "give every student an iPad" which will apparently somehow fix problems of failing inner city schools.
In the infinite liberal wisdom the possibility that piss poor unqualified teachers, unmaintained schools, and horrible home environments is unspeakable. These dumb fucks are somehow surprised that high-school kids can't get decent jobs when they removed automotive, welding, and woodworking classes during the 70's.
Of course they're only qualified to flip burgers, they don't have any discernable skills or knowledge.
>>80388719
Thanks Pajeet<3
>>80384040
>Implying the rich will want to give up anything, even if it's meaningless.
No, killbots is a much more reasonable expectation.
>>80380498
>Unskilled work == fucked.
> le skilled work meme xD
yeah, because punching numbers into Microsoft Excel is skilled labor that can't easily be automated.
>>80388705
Over 60k as a Business Analyst
>>80388719
Pooing closest to the curb guarantees a better job with a higher salary.
Seems fair.
>>80383636
and what the fuck is your point? The US is too big to enforce a simple law?
>>80384603
There are a limited number of bars.
If you expect a solid portion of the population to employ babysitters when one parent can stay home, you are fucking retarded.
>>80387482
Democrats have a voting machine, sure, but that analysis is far off from reality. The right wing still exists, and clearly the establishment scheme isn't competing well if you just look at the Trump phenomenon, and even if shit hits the fan we would see right wingers gain power through the civil unrest caused by the radical left. It's happening in Europe, and it will happen here if it comes to that.
>>80388892
desu senpai I had groups on my high school which were "iPad classes". They did most of their studying using iPads, but whenever teachers talked about them, they only said the basic things like, "investing in the future" and "more digitalized world now", never quite ever heard them cite a study done on the actual effects of introducing a digital environment on the effects of educational levels.
>>80389090
> useless poly sci degree
> business analyst
> fresh out of college
Ok buddy.
>>80389084
Software Dev here. Pretty much every business is blowing tons of money on automation of excel reports. You can thank the rise of templating engines and the fact that word and excel interpret CSS paged media and HTML.
Teams of document developers are being replaced by 2 guys that show up for 5 months.
>>80389367
Turkey spent billions giving free tablets to every primary and secondary school student in the whole country. Studies showed the whole thing didn't provide any measurable improvement.
>>80389090
I make ~65k as a cop in the LAPD with a fucking spanish degree.
>>80389397
It's called an internship through my university. Obviously wasn't useless when I'm making decent money. Wouldn't expect someone who gets a CERTIFICATION to get minimum wage to understand.
>>80389471
I'm in the process of getting a degree in computer science. Should I just an hero?
>>80389367
They do nothing. If they want skills in the digital age they need office, QuickBooks, MATLAB, java, A+, Cisco certs, etc.
>>80389611
So id still need a 4 year degree and risk my life for stupid spics and nigs for slightly more pay.
Wow I really did wrong!
>>80380402
>Plus its the nigs that'll be out of jobs, they're bad workers.
Not enough diversity in the work place.
>>80380592
>Implying they don't know exactly what they are doing.
>>80389682
Depends if you're any good. Do you excel in team projects? are you the leader? Does everyone look to you?
Getting good test grades and getting good grades on specifically defined homework does not help you much. Whether you're capable of thinking clearly under pressure and communicating realistic goals says a lot. Also frameworks. Everyone loves frameworks.
>>80389216
The US is too big, too heterogenous (hundreds of minorities and cultures), and too populous to enforce this law. It's not a "simple law", because you need bureaucracy for laws. And the sheer size of the bureaucracy necessary to enforce this law to its fullest extend is most probably going to be absurd. A small country like Ireland with a very homogenous population and a homogenous culture has in and by itself a far stronger social system (higher trust in the political system, higher trust in 'one's neighbour', in short social factors making sure people don't commit fraud). There are no subcultures based around "grabbing it all" (like the black subculture within the American culture). You're desperately naive if you think this law can be fulfilled as easily as your laws.
>>80386570
>No
When you grow up, you'll learn how useful first impressions really are.
>>80386717
>How's he a nigger?
Because I called him one.
>long and stupid statement
Wrong AND not even an argument.
Dividing salary by employee count is the exact nigger-level education I'm talking about. Without a holistic understanding of business, from ownership to operation to distribution to sales to finance to tax law, even sociology and game theory, and everything in between, there is nothing of value you can say. Now you know why I called him out and didn't read him.
To use an extremely simple example, "net profit" is only a very small part of where executive and above income comes from, and the separation of management and ownership allows for very creative ways of gathering money without paying employess. The CEO himself is often times just another employee, and those below him can get payed much more without affecting his own pay by very much at all. Start by studying this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_compensation_in_the_United_States
Hopefully he'll use this opportunity to learn from you what can be gained from a good first impression.
>>80389779
>risk my life
The majority of police officers never fire their guns outside of the shooting range. Like maybe one or two die every couple of years while on the job in a department of 10,000. The best thing about my job is the long weekends because of the impacted schedule. Some weeks I work three 12 hours shifts and others I work four 10's.
>>80380498
I currently work at soda factory/brewery and there's still jobs that robots cant do.
>>80390140
The law is as easy as fuck to enforce. US companies have to be registered, they have a million regulations to follow. They have to declare how much they make in order for their taxes to be determined etc. It would be easy as piss to randomly inspect every company with more than 50 employees, and have huge fucking fines and criminal sentences to business owners that could not show that everyone they hired had reasonable proof of citizenship. Also provide a nice finders fee for anyone who reports a company, like $5000.
The US enforces minimum wage for citizens everywhere, so how can it not as easily enforce making sure a company has to have proof of citizenship for each employee? That makes no sense.
