Can you prove Hitler was a socialist without simultaneously arguing for socialism?
When proving to leftists Hitler was socialist I see myself falling into this trap of "he did X for his people" and making a argument for socialism.
>>80366048
He was tweaking fucking balls on injected meth the entire time and actually suicidal and probably just wanted everyone as suicidal as him by killing as many people as possible. I don't if that really counts as "socialism" but the function of killing people en masse certainly requires a social effort to coordinate it.
>>80366048
They can't. "National Socialists" are just basicbitch socialists who still want to feel like men by adding LARP to it. The Nazi's fucked up the German economy and only allowed for a short term change in economic fortune for the people of Germany, the system literally would have collapsed if Hitler did not declare war in 1939 as the economy was by that point geared towards war production as opposed to food or consumer products of which their was constant shortages in Nazi germany (http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/food-rationing_in_Pre-World_War_Two_Germany-pdf). On top of that 100% empolyment means dick all if its not actually meaningful, the Nazi economic model was heavily influenced by Keynesian economics in the early years which meant that the government was merely creating jobs for the sake of creating jobs. The Nazis were also not self sufficent at all, Germany lacked many of the critical resources needed to wage war, especially oil compared to other nations and needed to trade for them from the Soviet Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%9341)#Late_1930s_German_raw_materials_crunch). National Socialism literally had to beg from its mortal enemies to fund its war machine, the system just wasn't efficient and further proof of its failure was letting Goering run the show as he was even more economically illiterate than Hitler. The Nazis even failed to switch to a proper total war economy until 1943 when Speer took over and actually made the system at least good at handling a war but it was far too late by that point. tl;dr National Socialism was fucking dog shit at economy and couldn't even keep a trade balance in favor of Gernmany. between 1933 – 1936, German export prices dropped by 9%, while import prices increased by 9%. (https://nazieconomicpolicy.wordpress.com/)
>>80366048
>hitler was a socialist
he wasn't
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Just how North Korea isn't democratic
>>80366048
What is wrong with caring for your people though? Every society is socialist to some degree.
>>80366248
Yes but they scared the Jews into not running communism in Germany ever again and that was the point. They could never again say, the jews, that they were somehow equal to the Germans as either they were superior or the Germans were worse for their atrocities. It was a fairly brilliant long term strategy, if a suicidal short term one, saving Germany from communism.
>>80366415
And you guys wonder why the last time you were powerful was thousands of years ago...
>>80366048
Marxist socialism isnt for "his people" its for the world.
National Socialism is the only socialism for "the people of the nation"
Marxist socialism, or anything that isnt national socialism, is like Canada.
Worst healthcare system in the west next to the US, and open borders so we pay for anyone in the world who wants free healthcare.
Terrible system, marxist socialism.
He wasn't a socialist. He purged the socialist wing of the party immediately after taking power. His economics were not free-market libertarian, but he left private industry mostly alone and many of them had prominent positions in the 3rd Reich.
That being said, and I agree with him on this, there are times when the government can and must intervene in the market to ensure the people (or race) as a whole is elevated and strong. That's why we prohibit degeneracy. That's why we have a large, powerful national army. That's why we protect national historical and ecological treasures. That's why we ensure full employment by using job schemes and work programs, within reason.
>>80366248
>http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/food-rationing_in_Pre-World_War_Two_Germany-pdf
Yes but even with food shortages, Northern European culture, was impenetrable to even the mighty Romans because of altruism and sheer gut and altruism is an individual sacrifice for the greater good, which Jews were not going to do (assimilate/convert) so he found the weakness of his opponents and exploited it. Germany = no communist revolution, everywhere east = yes, most commies jews and invented by jews. He knew what he was doing.
Economics set aside, he was an ideologist, which made him a revolutionary. Socialists are closer to Nazis than the Reactionary is.
>>80366048
>Can you prove Hitler was a socialist
But he wasn't. The socialists all died by means of nocturnal elongated cutlery.
>>80366639
Soon countries that are geographically isolated have great healthcare systems. Good to know! We don't have that luxury in the U.S. due to Mexico and inner turmoil from importing slaves.
>>80366639
>>80366048
We also spend 50% of all our provincial (state) budgets on healthcare, and its still a horrible system.
That is why National Socialism like in Germany was the only one that actually works well, and its not even the same thing.
Marxist Socialism and National Socialism are very, very different... two sides of a spectrum really, at opposite ends.
Globalism is pretty much communism, and National Socialism says we should all do what is best for our own countries, and keep our cultures, and not merge together without borders etc and pay for all the scum in the shitholes around the globe, and live at the same standard as them.
Fuck them, it says, let them solve their own problems instead of making their problems our own, and forcing their problems on our people. That wouldnt be right, to do that, to our people.
Marxist socialism says fuck you, you dont matter, because this guy in Africa is starving still and fucks a goat to avoid getting aids.
>>80366772
>Socialists are closer to Nazis than the Reactionary is.
Is that why Hitler and his allies were so closely aligned with the old Prussian establishment?
>>80366248
You conveniently left out the fact that Germany was boycotted by the entire Jewish world kike.
>>80366774
Including the one gay guy :( In my head as a gay guy I tell myself that if Hitler has openly elevated gays to positions of power they could have won. Instead he used gays as scandals.
>>80366794
The slaves should have been sent back, that wasnt our mistake, but we can fix it now by doing the difficult job they refused to back then.
People like William Luther Pierce argue you never should have made yourself reliant on another people, and that it was a mistake to buy the slaves off the jewish slave traders in the first place.
>>80366048
Mussolini and the pre-power Nazis were very definitely socialist, but then Hitler killed everyone who didnt bow down to him and it didnt really have much of a political agenda. Remember that he even had a large amount of gay paedophiles in the party before taking them and rohm out to secure power.
to conclude, Hitler was far closer to someone like Pinochet or Mussolini or Franco, someone who was allied with the military and industrial establishment. He was a right-winger. He fought in the Freikorps killing commies. To say he's a socialist like Bernie Sanders shows that you are a retard incapable of basic historical knowledge.
>>80366048
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>>80366523
How powerful are you?
Economically Nazi Germany had:
A sovereign currency that was deleveraged from the global markets.
A social safety net that included public health care, and major education/training and infrastructure spending to promote job growth in the public sector.
So by Amerifuck standards,
>Muh gold standard, because I have too many chromosomes to understand that gold's value is the biggest investment bubble ever created.
>Muh Jew gold.
>Muh Jew banking system
>Muh Fed, which is based on Jew banking system.
>Muh any alternative proposal that's based on Jew banking system.
>Muh private healthcare that relies on thew Jew banking system.
So by those standards, and the Ameritard understanding of economics, that makes Hitler a super aids communist. Using public money to enslave people. instead of privately collected usury that all inevitably ends up in Jew hands.
>>80366972
Wait you mean trusting the jews was a mistake?
Anyways says here that Hitler's communist enemies tried hard to infight with their moderate socialist elements which allowed him to come to power.
From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Thälmann
During World War I and the Weimar Republic, the KPD competed for leadership of the working class with the more moderate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD), particularly after the latter supported German involvement in the War. Thälmann and the KPD focused their attacks primarily on the SPD to prevent it from retaining power. Thälmann did this at the expense of ignoring the then-young Nazi Party, which likely allowed them to gain power several years later.
>>80367080
Gay =/= paedo
>>80367118
True, Hitler was pretty conservative and not a fascist like Rohm.
>>80366048
Nationalism Socialism is the only type of socialism that works. Period.
>>80366834
Is that why most members of the conservative revolution, sooner or later, hated Hitler?
>>80366048
That guy looks a lot liek Juncker
>>80367267
>Gay =/= paedo
I didnt say they were the same thing, I said they were gay paedos you fucking retard
>>80367251
Nazi Germany's economy was basically a gigantic pyramid scheme that was doomed to crash eventually. World War 2 ocurred in part in order to sustain it with raw materials and land.
>>80367497
>This anon.
We need some red pills over here, stat.
>>80367361
Conservativism is a meme, and not a good one.
>>80367361
Some did because Hitler clearly came unhinged once his conquests stalled. They still supported his rise to power.
>>80366048
One thing is shure. He was a totalitarian and one of the reasons germany rearmed so fast is because there were mass mobilizations of the populace to certain key sectors of productivity (much like a soviet regime).
There was several interviews conducted to key members, one of which was the leader of the nazi female league (cant recall the exact name of the org) where women themselves were drafted to farming and industrial work.
Im talking about german people.
>>80367267
Yea, and communists burning the reichstag down, which is historical fact acknowledged by every respectable historian had a lot to do with it too.
Also, that communist revolt of 2 million where they tried to break a quarter of the country off and declare a communist country in western Germany.
National Socialism was a response to communism and communist genocide, and the violent communist revolt in Germany after ww1.
Socialism by definition(marxist socialism) is a concept in marxist doctrine of a period that comes before communism, it is a tool to achieve communism and nothing more.
When socialism was created, it wasnt meant to be a government type, it was what a people pushed for, before that failed and they were forced to push further for communism, which they could never achieve by simply jumping in one go.
Its a subversive tool to destroy and rot governments and force them into communism.
So yea, there is a divide between duterte communists and regular communists. Duterte or whatever his name is refuses to say hes a communist, but a socialist.
He was quoted as saying "I dont kill my own people" and that is far, far left into communism... but now he kills his people, see?
Before power comes, they are socialists.. but when in power, they are all communists, who are globalists.
Except National socialists, who cant be globalists, and therefore cant be communists.
>>80367497
It was more like the New Deal in America. A slight socialist veneer on what was a largely private system. Only when the war got into full gear did the government directly intervene in all areas of the economy, but the same happened everywhere else.
>>80366483
>saving Germany from communism
>what is East Germany
You are all wrong and talking out your ass in order to justify your own biases.
Hitler felt that both the communists and the capitalists were tools of the Jew. Two different brands of Jewry both with the purpose of enslaving people.
The evidence is out there. The transcripts of his political speeches are all over the fucking internet.
There's absolutely no excuse for the level of autism in this thread.
Hitler deleveraged the German economy from the global markets. He also created financial infrastructure to provide people with interest free loans. Because Usury is one of the tools of Jewry to enslave people.
This in turn created a more equitable society. Because there was no more big bankers siphoning money out of the economy and into private holdings.
He also dropped the gold standard. Because Germany was robbed of most of that by the Treaty of Versailles.
The rest of the world ended up following Nazi Germany's lead in order to get out of the great depression. After they murdered Hitler and millions of Germans of course.
>>80367801
Yeah because let's make Europe our Reich and let's put women in sex program to create the master race is not a meme.
>>80367848
It's not like someone rising to power ever betrayed his former allies and promises, oh wait... every revolutionaries do it.
>>80367851
Yes, to some extent. However most Germans loved the Third Reich, it wasn't like Soviet Union where almost everyone hated it and lived under constant fear. Hitler reserved his surveillance state for open opponents like commies. Only the Jews were systematically targeted, and even then he gave them many opportunities to emigrate before he killed a single German Jew.
>>80368635
>Yeah because let's make Europe our Reich and let's put women in sex program to create the master race is not a meme.
It is, and unlike conservativism it's a good one, since it's active.
What is conservativism other than liberalism with 5-15 years delay?
>>80367202
American jew. As powerful as it gets.
>>80368884
>comparing Cuckservatives with Conservatism
Actual Conservatism created 1000 years kingdom unlike your cock craving failed fingerpainter junkie.
>>80367412
Sorry had to read it again. Why was is so full of gay paedos and also, any sauce on that?
>>80367955
But the jews wanted Western Germany too.
>>80368583
This is pure, objective truth.
Babbies need to contain their autism and listen to the leaf.
>>80369874
Define "actual conservativism" for me please.
>>80370170
>implying they didn't get it through the USA
>>80372241
No, they wanted it communist though so they could control it in a formal way and they never got that.
Socialism can be great.
Socialism can work spectacularly.
It would never work in most western countries because socialism requires two things:
1.) Homogenous society
2.) Feeling of nationalism, ie: identifying as a part of a whole.
Nazi Era Germany had both of those things.
Immigration and divisive tactics like how our two party system works is why socialism will fail in the USA and similar countries.
>>80372360
They still ended up controlling it well enough that "anti-nazism" campaigns destroyed every hint of nationalism in that country.
But hey, they weren't LITERALLY communist.
Maybe if Retardler wasn't so focused on violating sovereignty of other nearby nations for no purpose (What? Vad do you mean the Free City of Danzig has autonomy? IS STILL OPRESSION REEEEEE) other than stroking his inflated ego, Europe could have coalitioned against the soviets more effectively.
Gee, thanks Hitler. It's like the romanians and poles that died between 1919 and 1923 fighting the USSR died for nothing.
>>80372676
this.
>>80372957
They've flooded our streets with brown people and divided us on issues of morality.
Tfw it will never be good
