What agency?
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4609395/special-access-programs-involved
And why is Hillary allowed to destroy state evidence and when we do the same we end up in prison?
>>80325308
Delete this
>>80325308
"the agency" means whatever agency gave information that lead to the discovery
most likely the information was granted through means that are completely illegal (NSA domestic spying, CIA torture, etc) and they don't want to blow that sort of shit out so they just refer to it as an agency
there isn't a bloody shadow government ffs
and as for destroying state evidence, she probably threatened the family of some people and bribed others. she's much more powerful than most people think
But why is she able to pay different penalties from the rest of us?
Any more info on this?
>>80325707
If it came to light that Australia was leaked documents that prove the CIA has operations in your nation underway, how would Australia react?
>>80326064
i dunno, probably a bunch of tense communications for a few months. australia and the US are extremely close together and something like CIA spying would not be important enough to compromise all alliances and agreements between our two countries.
>>80325962
CROOKED HILLARY GUIDE
http://lyingcrookedhillary.com
http://pastebin.com/v7WHnG6b
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
https://imgur.com/a/VzlEf
>>80325707
>there isn't a bloody shadow government ffs
there is if even the head of the House Oversight Committee wasn't allowed to see it
>>80325308
I love the timing of all this other shit. Conveniently slides ALL FUCKING MENTION of clinton's baldfaced lawlessness.
>>80325308
There it is just as the FBI guy said
SAPs
Holy Shit!
>>80325707
The shadow govt. is a fucking confirmed thing. It's kept secret on purpose to protect the valuable assets it contains. There are conspiracy ideas about the whole concept but it's very simple.
Oh and every single major corporation that employs distribution of goods or management of information and technology is involved in government programs to further national security in response to disasters or attacks.
There are tons of examples of shadow government at work.
>>80326762
No, it means the head of the House Oversight Committee wasn't allowed to be told about it in open court.
Every major intelligence/security agency in the US practices ORCON protocol for classified information. Unless you have clearance people aren't even allowed to confirm to you which agency the files originated from, much less what the information in them is.
Chaffetz probably has clearance for whatever was in the files, but they're probably classified as SAP so he'll need to be read in in private.
>>80326966
There isn't a single thread mentioning it anymore. It's downright eery.
>>80327315
The shadow government isn't bloody real mate. You're confusing agencies that deal with TS/SAP information with some spooky scary shadow government.
The government has to remain heavily compartmentalized. Every agency knows shit other agencies don't, it's kept this way to prevent someone pulling a Snowden all over again, but with every agency instead of just the NSA.
>>80326762
the HOC wasn't authorized to be told about anything with classification in an open court being broadcast on a public TV channel, otherwise it'd essentially be handing TS/SAP information over to Russia or China.
>>80325707
>they can't talk about it in public
>the public can't decide if their voting behavior has an impact because it can't be discussed
>even other members of the government can't know just the name of agency so they can request the information
>there isn't a bloody shadow government ffs
What, in your mind, would actually constitute a "shadow government"?
Remember those hillary's "Eldery" group emails leak?
Maybe something dark related.
>FBI refuses to talk about foundation during the inquiry
>Later the Inspector general refuses to talk about sources and cant pass out information of server content based on an "Agency"
I'll even give you 3 guesses on what the agency is
>>80328119
Elderly
sorry, fixed.
>>80326715
>Lastly, on a much more practical note: to get you out of this I am going to have to bribe Channel 2 with a significant and exclusive interview when we are in Jerusalem in two weeks, and I guarantee you that will be far more painful than..
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/29656
>>80326762
No, it's called compartmentalization of classified information. Just because you have the highest level security clearance, TS/SCI, doesn't mean you are allowed to have access to all information classified at that level. You have to have a 'need to know'. Each agency that deals with this level of classified info has discretion over who, if anyone, outside of the agency is allowed to view it. So for example, a DEA agent on the border working cartel ops would have a TS/SCI clearance but he would not be allowed to access documents about drone strikes against ISIL leadership in Libya.
Same thing that happened here. The Inspector General had to receive authorization from the originating agency to be able to view the material. Until Chaffetz gets that authorization as well, he's not allowed to access the material.
>>80327823
>HOC
It's HOGR, pronounced either as "hoe-grr" or "oh gee are"
>>80328088
>they can't talk about it in public. the public can't decide if their voting behavior has an impact because it can't be discussed
Because the John Q Public doesn't have SAP clearance. If we our intelligence community made ever piece of intelligence unclassified and publicly accessible, we would cease to have an intelligence community.
>even other members of the government can't know just the name of agency so they can request the information
The agent clearly said that he would get Chaffetz the information and get him read in on the stuff he was cleared for, but he obviously can't do it in public on national fucking television.
You guys are all missing the more important thing here and focusing on all this SPOOKY SPOOKY SHADOW GOVERNMENT bullshit.
The real story here is that Hillary Clinton not only lied about sending and receiving classified intel over her server, but the intel was apparently so fucking sensitive that even several years later it's still considered so sensitive that even the agency the files originated from is sensitive information. It means that whatever she deleted is potentially something that could cause a major diplomatic incident or threaten national security.
This is the real patriot
>>80325308
Take justice into your own hands or continue to bitch and whine like a faggot online.
>>80328088
"The shadow government (cryptocracy, secret government, or invisible government) is a family of conspiracy theories based on the notion that real and actual political power resides not with publicly elected representatives (for example, the United States Congress) but with private individuals who are exercising power ..."
Classifications are nothing like a shadow government you mong. They're meant to protect information from being stolen by other nations for hostile purposes, not to allow a bunch of fuckheads in robes to rule over the american people from their little cult bases 6 miles under the ground.
If anyone were to say the name of the agency, that instantly will alert a lot of people as to how the information was gathered, when, and why.
For example if the CIA was named, you can reasonably infer that torture or foreign spying was involved. You could extrapolate that to the possibility that maybe Russia got it first or China broke into it, which will cause shit on an international scale.
If the NSA was named, well... Private email server, open to the internet, important person running it, NSA knows about it.... AKA illegal NSA spying, which nobody wants to actually admit (and yes I will admit that's fucking horrible but what can you do).
Rest assured, most likely quite a few people in the investigation have some idea of what exactly happened, but TS/SCI information is on a need to know basis, and as thus nobody probably knows entirely what happened. As well, they're not going to say it on national television and give out TS/SCI information to the general public, as that will negate the entire point.
You're focusing on the wrong thing mate. The thing you SHOULD be focusing on is the fact that she had TS/SCI information on an unsecured email server, and she allowed multiple people without clearances to access it. The information is so important multiple years later nobody can even say what it is. She needs to go to prison.
>>80325308
>an ICIG upholding the law by not talking about something that is top secret in a public hearing full of people with no security clearances let alone top secret ones
>WHAA SHADOW GUBMANET
>>80328936
So power doesn't rest with elected officials in a "shadow government" unlike our government which is run by elected officials that have no power over government programs because they don't even know they're running and can't find out who is running the things they don't know about.
Seems like a distinction without a difference but I'm not Australian.
>>80328936
Is it wise to have a future president with this much blackmail running the nation?
>>80327823
You mean the system is set up to prevent someone, let's say like a secretary of state, from being able to just gather up all the nations secrets without clearance, make physical and digital copies, head home to her unsecured server, and sell them out of her basement on the cheap? Like there are just too many layers of protection for that to happen, and even if it did, that person would be in jail for life, right?
>>80329594
Look at Merkel. That's what you will get.
Holy shit are you people ever stupid
He's referring to Clinton Foundation.
>>80329585
Senpai, it's a choice between having 200-500 people at the top who know absolutely everything (and thus can easily jump ship and blow out every single important thing the government has or has ever done) or having an extremely secure set of classifications, so any person in government will only know specific things (much more secure, you only have to lock down the people with general administrative access to a lot of info ala Snowden).
I'd pick compartmentalization, and the government does as well. It's not a shadow government.
>>80329594
No, but she has a lot of connections and people generally like their wives and children so she has a good chance either way.
>>80329650
Again, she should be treated like any other person who misplaced defence information/TS information in general, aka an instant stripping of security clearances and 40+ years in prison, along with a permanent blacklisting from any job requiring clearances ever.
Of course, that's not going to happen because she's Hillary, but the system is specifically designed to prevent shit like this. The fault is widespread corruption, not the design of the system itself. You can't enforce a rule when nobody wants to enforce it.
>>80329734
No.
>>80329585
Yea that really pissed me off. There is no existential threat to the US, unless you count niggers and towel heads destroying their own shit to try to stay relevant. What do they need that level of secrecy for?
>>80330163
I understand what you're saying. I don't understand how you think this is anything other than a shadow government. They do not derive their power from the people. For instance, how would a voter determine that their non-shadow-government was doing something wrong and vote for a different non-shadow-government?
They can't, of course, which is why it is a shadow government.
You may think it is necessary to have a shadow government—I'm not sure why but it's an easy thing to grant—but I don't see how you could consider unelected people unaccountable to voters doing god knows what anything but.
>>80330221
Yes
>>80329585
The President, elected by the people, has access to and control over all classified programs at every level of classification run by the government. Each cabinet secretary has authority over all classified programs at every level of classification of each agency in their respective department, plus they have access to programs run by other departments when they share similar responsibilities (i.e. the Secretary of State would have access to programs run by the Secretary of Defense but the Secretary of Agriculture would not).
Members of Congress receive Top Secret clearances, but do not have access to all or probably most of the Top Secret Special Access Programs run by the various agencies of the government, but they can receive access to it if they need to in order to fulfill their duties.
That's about as simple as I can make it.
People hare are posting paragraphs of damage control against shadow governments. I woder who these people are?
>>80331105
>hare
How deep does the rabbit hole go.
>>80330562
>They do not derive their power from the people
These are bureaucrats who derive their power from the President of the United States, a person that the people of the United States elect. Would you rather the President personally handle/run/manage each and every classified program that the government runs? Of course not because that would be impossible. So he delegates some of his authority to these bureaucrats who do these jobs, which we have given him consent to do.
Did you fail freshman government class?
>>80330562
A shadow government makes wide reaching decisions without consulting anyone for their own benefit. You're angry about a bunch of intelligence agencies with the job of stopping terrorists, spies, and betrayers.
It's not a shadow government.
It's a bunch of nerds who have absolutely no clue what everyone else is doing, independently working on projects that will help their own agencies to do their jobs. A bloke in the NSA with SAP clearance dealing with a new program to take down TOR users has absolutely no clue about the latest drone advancements being worked on by people at DARPA, and those people at DARPA have absolutely no idea what drugs the blokes at the CIA are making for interrogations.
If people very high up knew absolutely everything going on everywhere in government I'd see your point, but at the moment nobody, not even the POTUS, has complete knowledge of everything going on everywhere.
As thus, it's not a shadow government.
>>80330837
>The President, elected by the people, has access to and control over all classified programs at every level of classification run by the government.
That's slightly wrong, he has TS clearance and access to some neat things such as CONPLAN 8044 (plan for nuclear war which only the president and everyone extremely high up in the DoD have access to), but he doesn't have complete SAP access.
If he wants access to a specific program he can easily ask and most likely get read in on it, but there are some things even the President is not allowed to have access to. This has happened in the past, and it almost certainly is happening now.
>>80329687
Clinton is worse.
>>80325308
He has to be vague on camera. They've already let slip "compromised human assets" which is code for, "she got a bunch of informants and field agents fucking killed and the CIA is super-pissed about it."
>>80331527
>If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
t. Thomas Jefferson
>>80328423
Lastly, on a much more practical note: to get you out of this I am going to have to bribe Channel 2 with a significant and exclusive interview when we are in Jerusalem in two weeks, and I guarantee you that will be far more painful than
How much did she pay them?
Could you imagine if Congress passed a law mandating the amount spent on a show or advertisement had to be in the credits?
>>80330163
Hillary's treatment proves that their is a shadow government and she's the leader. She has access to any material she wants without proper clearances or for having to follow protocols. She gets caught selling secrets of the most sensitive nature, publicly perjures herself multiple times, publicly kills/intimidates witnesses, publicly destroys evidence, and even goes as far to make jokes about the whole thing repeatedly on live TV. One of, if not the most blatant and most massive act of treason in US history, and all the evidence just a mouse click away. Crickets from the media until finally the FBI tells the American people to their face that she is obviously guilty of the charges plus much more, but they won't recommend for prosecution just because. Not only is she a part of a shadow government as exercises unquestionable power over our government without elected or appointed office but she is also not constrained by the laws of this country, the definition of a tyrant.
>>80331691
That's really interesting, wasn't aware of that. Thanks anon
>>80328436
Unless you Clinton's lawyers who don't have clearances
Did they ever recover the 30,000 emails she deleted?
>>80325707
>what is the NRO
>what is the SCS
>>80334717
Fragments, of some, not enough to assemble a complete picture of everything that was purged.
Honestly I would be surprised if her lawyers just went and fucking bricked them.
>>80337909
I believe it was Comey who said they weren't able to complete a full investigation because they could not be recovered. So who knows, maybe the devices were physically destroyed
>>80337909
>>80338271
I don't understand this though, wouldn't (shouldn't) that be considered destroying evidence?
>>80338873
It's a catch-22 - to prove destruction of evidence, you need to prove that evidence was destroyed. There's not enough left here to prove that.
>>80338873
the rules don't apply to her
This 'secret agency' does not exist.
This 'secret agency' does not exist.
>>80327823
then what the fuck was JFK going on about in that speech about secret societies and backroom deals being made etc.
>>80339787
Businessmen, union bosses, lobbyists, etc are all cunts who buy and sell politicians to suit their own agendas.
Our government is corrupt and easily malleable to outside influences... that doesn't mean the country is being secretly run by The Council of Silly Walks or the Lizard Men of Klapdron-7
>>80340330
>Skull and Bones
Fuck off, shill.
>>80334654
Exactly. Even though her attorney's did actually have TS/SCI clearance, they hadn't been read in to the SAP material contained in her email, and providing them that material was illegal.
>>80340475
/pol/ is so fucking stupid
just because the guy couldn't say it on LIVE TV doesn't mean he couldn't tell congress privately
further more it was probably a known agency, just some random alphabet soup agency that couldn't be named due to the rules of the investigation
jesus fucking christ 90% of you are morons
>>80325707
Well there are agencies that are attempted to keep secret. Like DIA, NRO, and the smaller specialist agencies the work under NRO specifically
Israel
>>80340757
Agreed but the concern is that a bunch of loons with no clearance and no sap access can read and transmit highly classified information with no consequences and nobody cares. I hope Putin releases all the fucking emails.
She dun goofd this time in that case
>>80325308
Israel
Aka Elders
>>80326274
>answers seriously
>nah m8, they were expecting a shitpost
>nah i'm not your monkey, m8
>>80325707
>what is Site R
>what is shadow congress, cabinet, and president
>what is shit you can easily confirm yourself with five seconds research
>what it our plan for the end of the world
