Serious question to anyone in here who "believes" in national socialism.
Apparently you deny the Holocaust, but you also say Jews *should* all be exterminated.
So seems you're saying
>Hitler had the right idea, he just didnt get enough of'em
But then why would you be so adamant about denying the historical mainstream version (which is well supported by evidence, leave it to us Germans to actually have deathcamps with high level of bureaucracy) of the 6million figure of Jews dying in the Holocaust?
Seems like you silently not only agree with that figure, but are sad it isn't bigger, while at the same time publicly announce it is false.
Why dont you answer the question
>Did 6million Jews die in the Holocaust?
with
>Sadly, no.
Your cognitive dissonance is showing and makes you a laughing stock for most people
>>80046286
jew here. I would estimate probably about 1-2 million died. The number is pushed to hide the truth that the holocaust was more about trying to avoid a Bolshevik Revolution in Germany succeeding as it had in Russia.
>>80046286
Different people. I for one deny the holocaust and think that Jews need to be sent to Israel. The only reason that they're an issue is because they haven't had a homeland for 2000 years and couldn't properly develop a culture.
OP, you're making the mistake again of thinking that /pol/ is only one person.
>>80046360
>jew here
>1-2 million died
>hide the truth
>Bolshevik Revolution
please go away brown swastika person
>>80046511
>He doesn't know about the Jewish uprising
>>80046438
no, this is the cognitive dissonance of all holocaust deniers, who usually are also virulently anti-jewish
>>80046511
No I literally am an American reform jew, my family left Germany in the late 1800's. I doubt most who were still there in 1930s were smart or wealthy, just those who could pay their way out of camps/trouble and those too stupid or poor to get out.
shma yisrael adonai eloheinu adonai echad. Baruch shem kvod shem kvod malchuto lolam vaed.
>>80046286
Hey nigger, you should watch this Israeli man debunk the Holocaust. He visited Auschwitz, confronted the director who then had to admit that the chimney of one of the so called gas chambers was constructed AFTER the liberation of the camp.
The "gas chambers" also have wooden doors that cannot be sealed tightly. The whole thing reeks of money making by pushing a narrative. You don't have to take my word, go see it for yourself.
David Cole in Auschwitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs
>>80046286
>Why dont you answer the question
>>Did 6million Jews die in the Holocaust?
>with
>>Sadly, no.
ok
Sadly, no
>>80046594
>No I literally am an American reform jew
and that makes your opinions on the subject more valid because ...... ?
literally irrelevant if you're a Jew, white, black, gypsy, Korean, Japanese or Hindu.
Holocaust is a well documented historical fact, if you dont "believe" in it you're frankly an idiot.
>>80046286
>Apparently you deny the Holocaust, but you also say Jews *should* all be exterminated.
>
>So seems you're saying
>>Hitler had the right idea, he just didnt get enough of'em
your not very good at logic
(notA) didn't happen, but (A) should have heppened
so you are saying
hitler SHOULD HAVE (A)
also, your a retard and a jew
>>80046768
>Holocaust is a well documented historical fact
What we consider "The Holocaust" is a series of claims which must be individually proven. Can you prove that 6 million Jews died in gas chambers?
Btw this is more about epistemology. You should really ask yourself whether you BELIEVE something to be true or whether you can actually prove it to BE true. And what constitutes a proper proof? Are you really so well versed in Holocaust history that you think you got it all figured out, that you can defend your claims factually against people who may have done much more research about it than you?
>>80046723
This, OP thought he had us in a LAWGIC TRAP.
>>80046768
>well documented historical fact
Please provide proof, but remember if you question it in Germany you go to jail, so make sure you don't! :^)
Oh hey, a German shitposter. Never seen one of those before.
>>80046768
If there were 6 million, at most jews in Europe in the 1930's and not all were killed, obviously, then how is the number 6 million? I don't think it didn't happen I just think the numbers reflect unreasonable estimates of efficiency that were not matched by the reality of running labor and death camps. Is 2 million vs 6 million that important? Either way the issue is the traditional historical narrative sidesteps the issue that Germany had just become unified and feared being divided by Communism that had taken hold in Russia (and had it succeeded in Germany your country would be way less developed) and that the Bolshevists, like it or not, were largely wealthy jews who tried to sow civil war failed, and so all remaining jews were rounded up because the threat of what happened in Russia happening to Germany was enough for the people to elect Hitler. I'm just saying the Germans had reasons for voting Hitler into power, that they didn't just wake up and decide to be evil anti-semites because they were intolerant.
>>80046768
Are you just BELIEVING a convenient story? Have you been made to believe it, while really having no clue about the subject? You should always ask yourself: HOW did I come to believe things to be true, and does that really mean that they are true?
I would be glad if you could prove some specific claims instead of insulting everyone who doesn't believe the "standard" story.
>>80046286
>Communists have to deny Holodomor, purges, "Great leap forward" and assorted mass murders totaling over 150 million
>Thinks the Nazis are the worst people
Mental gymnastics must be fun.
>>80046723
>Sadly, no
>>80046918
>This, OP thought he had us in a LAWGIC TRAP.
>saying this on an anonymous Kuwaiti goat herding forum
Not a single Holocaust denier EVER said this in front of a camera. You're a bunch of cowards and you know it
>>80046286
I thought 9 million died in the Holocaust?
Everyone who says anything lower than 9 million denies the holocaust.
>>80047059
>>Thinks the Nazis are the worst people
I never said anything of the sort. I am merely saying that the 6 million figure is well documented and you look like a bunch of idiots denying it.
What the fuck! I've read the phrase "cognitive dissonance" on /POL/ several times these last couple of days. Is this some alpha meme or the liberals buzzword of the week? I'm sick of seeing it thrown around so often!
>>80046286
>Apparently you deny the Holocaust, but you also say Jews *should* all be exterminated.
Jews should all be sacked and deported from countries that aren't Jewish.
>>80046575
Some serious samefagging going on in that image
>>80046360
Bolsheviks did succeed in a Bolshevik revolution in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPAfx1mAJ8
watch this to understand the political climate.
>>80047462
>he is this new
>>80047283
Yeah, we're not stupid. Sorry we don't sperg out enough for you kraut.
>>80047397
Wheres your outrage for Communists?
Funny how this street never goes two ways.
>>80046286
>leave it to us Germans to actually have deathcamps with high level of bureaucracy
It's funny because the same kind of bureaucratic documents make plenty of references to camp guards being punished for the mistreatment of the workers.
How dare you guys question the holy 6 trillion jews that died in 1939 alone?
How true is this?
![Katyn_-_decision_of_massacre_p1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3ug8CT8.jpg "Katyn_-_decision_of_massacre_p1[1].jpg")
>>80046286
>well supported by evidence
kek
Show me one, maybe the weapon used for the crime. And explain how it works.
Or forsensic study of a dead body proving how he died from cyanhidric acide.
Or maybe if you can't proove me that a single person died, show me any paper about the final solution, budget, allocated ressources...
Even a simple order about that.
>You can't and will said it because the nazi erased the evidence.
Then how could a so giant crime left none evidence when we manadge to found the direct order for the Katyn massacre?
I'm ready to believe you if you show me something more than ashes.
>>80046575
>in Germany
So... Why'd they take almost 100.000 Jews from Amsterdam? And where'd they go?
>>80046594
>my family left Germany in the late 1800'
>This makes me an expert on 20th century Germany
>>80046915
>Can you prove that 6 million Jews died in gas chambers?
I don't even think that's the official claim though..6 million in total, not necessarily gassed.
>>80047673
>Wheres your outrage for Communists?
You weren't taught about Stalin's terror in school? Sounds like you went to a shit school, anon.
>>80047764
Workers aren't necessarily jews.. Most of the Dutch people that were forced to work in Germany returned. Most jews didn't..
>Apparently you deny the holocaust
No I don't why would I
>>80047673
who said I was even outraged by what the Nazis did? When did I say I disapprove of 6 million Jews?
You are literally fighting strawman after strawman, it's kind of sad.
I made a point about the cognitive dissonance of national socialists instead of communists, .... because *drumroll* ... THIS BOARD IS FULL OF RIGHT WING IDIOTS, NOT LEFT WING IDIOTS.
good job at arguing at the intellectual level of a sulking 5 year old
>>80048346
>why'd they take 100,000 Jews from Amsterdam
I don't know, I didn't know they took Jews from Amsterdam. Source?
My guess would be the same reason as they did in Germany.
>>80048273
>How true is this?
Somewhat, in the sense that many bottom-tier immigrants in western Europe sit on welfare in shitty rent control flats in shitty neighborhoods with 6 people in a tiny house, and that natives prefer to have a nice house in a nice place with 2-3 children usually..
I don't know the situation in Germany exactly, but I'd rather not live like a bottom-tier immigrant.
It's not exactly cognative dissonance because not all people with national socialist or other hard-right views on this board (or in real life) all agree with each other. Cognative dissonance can only take place in a single individual or perhaps a group that proclaims unity (which 4 chan does not).
The OP is falling for what sociologists call the "outgroup homogeneity bias." Studies have shown time and again that humans tend to see the "other side" as more unified than they really are -- whether that "other side" is an opposing ideology, a different race or nationality, or even fans of a different sports team.
>>80048456
>I don't know, I didn't know they took Jews from Amsterdam. Source?
Pretty well documented..
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005434
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01034.html
http://www.dedokwerker.nl/jodenjacht.html
75.000 in Amsterdam, 100.000 total in the Netherlands.. 80% did not survive.
>>80046286
Holocaust denial and kike gassing has absolutely nothing to do with national socialism. You would never lump together all communists or socialists, but here you are lumping together all nationalists.
Your cognitive dissonance is showing and makes you a laughing stock for most people
>>80048719
Do you have census data from the period? I'd prefer primary over secondary sources.
Also, it's believed many Jews emigrated to Israel and America after WW2, which could explain the discrepancy.
Even with census data, much of it has been fudged. People who believe the Holocaust happened acknowledge that census data was altered post-war.
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/the-holocaust-6-million-lie-population-of-jews-1938-15-748-million-
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html
1948 actual: 15,753,638
1949 revised: 11,266,600
1938 actual: 15,748,091
1939 revised: 16,643,120
>>80049656
>Do you have census data from the period? I'd prefer primary over secondary sources.
The map attached to the post is a primary source, considering the fact that the collaborating civil servants of Amsterdam made it based on the city's census records.. You're quite welcome to verify it in the city archives, but I doubt they've been digitalised very precisely, nor would they have been complete back in the 1940s.. The Amsterdam city government had been complaining for a while that it proved difficult to register all inhabitants, especially the immigrants, and many jews had fled from Germany in Eastern Europe in years prior.
>Also, it's believed many Jews emigrated to Israel and America after WW2, which could explain the discrepancy.
It could.. But it seems unlikey they went straight to America from the camps.
>census data was altered post-war.
Pre-war census data was likely incomplete.. I don't know about altering after the war, but it doesn't seem unlikely that there were more jews in Europe than the census accounted for, especially in countries that weren't as autistic in terms of registering everything like Germany and the Netherlands.
