Was George W. Bush a good president?
>>79951390
>Malaysia caring about American presidents
For what purpose?
>>79951390
I swear this guys whole intent in becoming president was to invade Iran, and I'm really close to figuring out why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
>>79951492
Malaysia?
Check my flag again.
No he made an ass of himself constantly. He's what gave the left fuel and caused Obama Hillary to even have a chance again
>>79951533
wtf I hate Bush now
>>79951533
i thought bush never really cared about being president and was like "cool, im the president now".
>>79951533
Gee anon, sounds exciting. How close are you to figuring it out? Where are you based? Maybe we could meet up and I could help you get to the bottom of this!
>>79951390
He wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible either. Pretty mediocre desu. He regularly gets ranked as one of the worst presidents because to a leftist, having a differing opinion is a greater crime than genocide.
>>79951644
>>79951684
Nah I think it for his dad and uncles.
>invaded Afghanistan
>invaded Iraq
>both countries happen to border Iran
>Iran was in the axis of evil speech
>his uncle owned a company that handled large scale investments for oil companies around the time of the Islamic Revolution
I just need hard proof that they were in league with the Shah.
>>79951752
But anon, I am CIA
>>79951390
He sucked immensely for making the wrong response to 9/11. Instead of reducing terrorism and attacking the root cause, he attacked the wrong countries and created more terrorists. All in the name of non-existent weapons of mass destruction. He should be locked away and his name purged from all historical records. He's the cause of the shit we're in now.
>>79951390
Depends on how you look at it.
Foreign relations?
Very good.
Military power?
Very good.
Domestic stability?
Not the best.
>>79951390
No, but he wasn't awful either; his biggest downfall was letting the left spin the narrative that he was the worst president of all time.
Regardless, I'd take 8 more years of Bush over one more day of Obama.
>>79951390
He made a mistake in treating Iraqis like shit. Had they gone in as liberators problems wouldn't have occurred. Also should've taken down Iran while he was there.
>>79952163
> foreign relations
> good
Errr, the US lost a serious amount of goodwill because of the war on terror and all thse interventions and invasions.
>>79951390
No, he lacked the intelligence of his father and allowed himself to be persuaded to go to war by a neocon cabal - much of the instability of the middle east is directly attributable to his decisions.
W was a "bad" President the same way Clinton was a "good" President. Clinton just happened to be President during the Dot Com boom and huge economic prosperity. W just happened to be President during the largest mass casualty event in American history since Pear Harbor.
The economy under Bush had 2 major problems. 1. During any kind of war or terrorist attack, the stock market goes down. Its just the way it is. 2. The housing bubble burst near the end of his second term because of policies put in place during the final years of the Clinton Presidency.
W's expansion of Med D plans is debatable. On one hand it drastically expanded the Medicare expense for the country. On the other hand 40 million seniors got medication coverage that would have bankrupted them had they not gotten coverage.
>>79951390
No, but I'd take him any day over Obama.
>>79952163
You're a clueless retard.
OP, Bush was one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.
>>79952697
>W just happened to be President during the largest mass casualty event in American history since Pear Harbor.
1) He didn't "just happen" to be President during 9/11. He was warned that it was coming, and he chose to let it happen.
2) Bush wasn't bad because of 9/11. It was his fucking retarded response to 9/11 that made him historically bad. That's completely on him.
Please help make lemons into lemonade.
Call the DOJ, put them on auto dialer, pay a neighbor hood kid a few bucks to call.
> pic related.
From everything that happened recently, there is no reason not to convict her for perjury. She lied under oath at a congressional hearing. No investigation is needed to provide proof of that. Her intent was to lie.
That's a felony. They won't convict her on email. Fine, help me play 3D chess. Call them and ask why she's not under charges for blatant perjury.
It's your right as a tax payer. Get involved, Carpe Diem. Do something other than complain.
Shit just copy pasta the fuck out of my post, if you don't want to do anything else. If WE don't do this, who will?
#rigged system
MAGA
>Iraq
-Went to war over lies - very likely fabricated lies
-Military strategy was complete shit, occupation force was entirely too small
-Lose war, Iraq still in chaos
>Economy
-Complete and utter devastation after being in office 8 years, the culmination of his fiscal policies
-Preside over worst recession in generations, fuck up any chance McCain had at winning in 2008
>Domestic affairs
-No Child Left Behind, well-intended but completely misguided, universally regarded as a total failure in education reform
>Miscellaneous
-Administration failed to protect America on 9/11
-Administration failed to find and destroy OBL
-Severe damage to international relations, particularly among traditional allies
I could probably go on and on about all the mistakes he made, but I'll just stop. Bush will be regarded as one of the 10 worst POTUS and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>79952902
Sorry but you probably want to take the tin foil hat off. There is proof W had personal knowledge 9/11 was going to happen? He then said "naw its all good, let them have their fun"?
Your reliance on conspiracy theories kind of makes everything you say far less relevant
>>79952902
Agreed.
>>79952697
Bush contributed to all these situations. He chose not to address growing radicalism out of Saudi Arabia and an escalating series of terrorist attacks. Bush should not have gone to war after 9/11. This simply wasted trillions of dollars for the personal profit of his friends at Halliburton and elsewhere. He should have put pressure on all government harboring terrorists and worked with or against them to destroy terrorists.
The housing market is also the result of policy -- excessive deregulation and too little scrutiny of risky policies, like sub-prime mortgages. Australia didn't have a crash because of better policies and more safeguards. The US did because the president was too ideologically beholden to market liberalism.
He also failed as a ceremonial figurehead. He's too dumb and mangled his words too often. This made Americans an international laughing stock. He's been the worst president in my lifetime. Basic failings. The public knows it too, which is why he has no campaign value now, even for his own brother.
>>79953266
>There is proof W had personal knowledge 9/11 was going to happen?
YES! It's not conspiracy theory, you fuck. He had the memo. He was warned by the French. His administration knew this was going to happen.
![27bush_saddam[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eHtDRii.jpg "27bush_saddam[1].jpg")
>>79951390
He was a bro.
Too bad he ruined his friendship with Sadam
>>79953177
while I agree with the rest
>Administration failed to find and destroy OBL
please tell me you don't believe that obl was captured and killed during the obama admin. He had been dead for years, like benazir bhutto explained (and was killed for)
>>79951390
GWB was just as much of a puppet as Obama is. Bush just didn't try to shove social control like Obama is.
>>79953504
Please elaborate your tin-hat theory in detail with evidence and sources. I've never come across this one before and am intrigued.
>>79953177
>Lose war, Iraq still in chaos
Iraq was pacified and each stated goal was achieved. Iraq didnt "fall into chaos" until the troop draw downs under Obama.
>Complete and utter devastation after being in office 8 years, the culmination of his fiscal policies
The recession had nothing to do with anything Bush did or didnt do. It was 15+ years of a puffed up stock market. There is a reason economists refer to the 92-2002 time period as "a vacation from economic reality"
Hate him if you want, but at least have a real reason. His sunsetting of the AWB. His expansion of Med D. His total inability to tackle Social Security, etc
The Iraqi War fucked the middle east up even worse. Knocking down a dictator never works. That war caused ISIS to grow in strength and is likely the cause of the migrant crisis.
>>79953656
This is ideological nonsense. Iraq has been in chaos since 2001. America is responsible for this chaos. No solution has been found or victory achieved. They simply need another strict totalitarian dictator in place to keep sectarian interests under control and a strong arm of law and enforcement. This is exactly what the US took away. Still, the US has no plausible plan for establishing peace in the region. Both Democrats and Republicans are highly responsible for this, but greatest responsibility is with George W. Bush.
>>79951755
>He regularly gets ranked as one of the worst presidents because to a leftist, having a differing opinion is a greater crime than genocide.
Oh, i thought it was because he lied to his own people and invaded a sovereign country for no reason, attempting to "install" democracy in Iraq by throwing a lot of corporate capitalism at it and shitting it all up, leaving the place in a state of civil war and allowing terrorists to pretty much walk right in and gain popular support.
I thought it was because he changed the constitution and removed Habeus Corpus, because he was head of state during the largest illegal breach of public privacy the US has ever seen...
But hey, it's your country so feel free to stick to your in depth analysis burgerpal.
>>79953352
The US was actually warned by 9 countries. From "an attack is imminent" (Israel) to "they are going to hijack airliners" (Italy and the UK)
What is your point? Not a single piece of info said the time, the date, the method, the people involved, etc. Or are you faulting Bush for knowing this information, and not blowing every passenger airliner out of the sky on the morning of 9/11. The entire attack lasted less than 2 hours. For 50 of those minutes it could still have been a horrible accident.
Again, conspiracy bullshit makes you look like a whack job. Debate the actual information, dont expound on it by filling in the blanks with random garbage
he had jewish neocon cock up his ass
>>79954111
>lying to invade iraq meme
fuck off with this shit i'm so tired of hearing it. Bush was presented with information from the CIA that presented Iraq with nuclear warheads, so we invaded and the warheads weren't there. So either they moved them, or the CIA doesn't know what a Nuclear Warhead looks like. I know it's the president's job to take responsibility for everything but cut him some slack, he didn't fucking invade an entire country for his dad or his stupid fucking oil company.
>>79951390
He imported millions of nonwhites, threw us into enormous amounts of debt, made us a laughingstock around the world because of his neocon/israel worshiping agenda.
He is only trumped by Obama, who extended all of his worst policies and got rid of the best ones.
Clinton wasn't nearly as bad, and that's saying something. I have a feeling if Hillary gets in the white house, she will continue it all until whites are a minority in this country.
>>79953292
>The housing market is also the result of policy -- excessive deregulation and too little scrutiny of risky policies, like sub-prime mortgages. Australia didn't have a crash because of better policies and more safeguards. The US did because the president was too ideologically beholden to market liberalism.
Glass-Steagall was repealed under Clinton because the good times were rolling and there was no end in sight. Bush cant be blamed for the housing crash unless you equally vilify Clinton
>>79954345
>Clinton
>Not bad
>>79951390
>Was George W. Bush a good president?
One of the worst in history.
>>79954336
Ok. explain the patriot act now.
Retards right and left...
The last good president was Carter but he didn't fight Jew wars so he had to go.
>>79951390
Compared to Obongo he seems like a god.
But no, Bush doesn't compare favorably to the good presidents like Nixon or Eisenhower. Bush didn't personally fuck up the whole world, because it wasn't up to him... it was up to his masters.
But he could have prevented the fucking of the whole world. In that case I doubt his masters would have granted him a second term.
>>79951684
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BH4xNGZFg
His real dream was to become a painter
In reality he wasnt much more than a puppet all the coke from his college days really messed with his brain
>>79954470
I'm happy to call both responsible, as there was little difference in the economic policy of both figures. Both policies were disgusting and contributed to the increasing wealth gap in the US and also the culture of impunity amongst speculative cowboy bankers. Shit is just disgusting.
>>79954336
Well he was either lying or too dumb to know he was being lied to. Either way, he's a fucking moron.
>>79952009
He wasn't alone
>>79953966
FYI fewer soldiers died in Iraq than people living in Chicago in 2008. There were less kidnappings in Iraq than Mexico in 2008. 50,000 American troops on every Iraqi corner tends to keep crime very low.
Things didn't go straight to shit until 2011 when the US cowtailed to the Iraqi government and withdrew all but an "advisory force"
>>79954677
You are retarded and off your meds:
>Obama is terrible and wholly responsible for his policies.
>George W. Bush was somewhat terrible but wasn't at all responsible because of a tin-hat conspiracy.
Do realize how inconsistent and retarded you sound?
>>79954632
>Carter
>anywhere near good
Okay now I know you're retarded or a troll.
Carter's presidency was a huge fucking failure due to his care but maintain humanitarianism around the world, which is what caused the fucking Iran hostage crisis, which also caused more instability in the middle east.
The patriot act was intended to stop something like this from happening again. There were so and I mean so many warning signs of 9/11 ha penning it's kinda amazing how we didn't see the signs. Without the partiot act, it was extremely hard for any national security organizations to gain information about terrorist attacks before they happened. [spoiler]Unlike 9/11 the signs were everywhere[/spoiler]
>>79951390
War criminal along with Blair
He killed a bajillion sandniggers, so that's good
But he could have stopped the subprime morgage fraud, and did not. While that would not have prevented the 2008 market crash, it would have made it less bad
>>79954911
>soldiers in Iraq v. people in Chicago
>kidnappings v. a war zone
Did you know that there is more cheese in Wisconsin than whales in the Southern Ocean? This confirms that Syria necessarily fell into civil war.
Can you please fucking make some sense, anon?
>>79954336
You're wrong.
Bush and Blair lied through their fucking teeth and presented false intel to justify the invasion of Iraq - They did so because they thought they were right, that lying was justified.
just google "cia and bush lies" - pretty fucking basic.
>>79954336
He invaded because jews wanted so
>>79951390
It's probably too soon since his presidency ended to really tell.
>>79955114
>muh conspiracy
>muh evidence
Is it that hard for you to accept that we were wrong rather than we lied?
>>79951390
No, he wasn't the worst but he was solidly below average, on par with Barry O' or carter
>>79951390
Bad president. Paved the way for Obama.
>Invading Iraq?
Mistake.
>Choosing not to balkanize the toppled Iraq?
Mistake.
>Democratic nation-building in Iraq?
Mistake.
He's a good poster child for everything that's wrong with the Republican Party.
Not even a good painter.
>>79955460
What do you think Bush should've done after invading Iraq?
If he put up a Dictator that would be way more controversial than just building a democratic system. Do you think he should've left Iraq, causing instability like Obama did?
>>79951390
No he ruined america and brougth it down to its knees.
>>79951615
Fuck off you Malay cunt.
We have a huge problem with Malays in my country - they contribute nothing but shit.
>>79952157
> he attacked the wrong countries
I'm not sure there's ever a wrong reason for dropping cluster bombs on mudslimes
>>79956229
Yeah, because you create unnecessary enemies who in their fury create vengeful chaos for you for decades to come. It's pretty simple! Don't shit on people who can shit on you back. And don't be a retarded bigot who likes creating enemies for no fucking reason.
>>79953461
>He was a bro
This. He'd be a president I'd want to ride horses around with on a Texas ranch with drinking some beers while doing some bumps and smoking some joints while shooting at things and talking shit and joking around.
>usa russian relations will never be this good again
>>79953750
>blamibng Busgh for ISIS
im all for bashing Bush that shit was Obamas fault. Who would have thought that a U.S / Turkey Alliance was a bad idea?
>>79951390
He was a decent man surrounded by indecent men.
>>79955265
look, just google it m8 - sorry to burst your bubble but the first 20 or so links are cia or bush admin people admitting the intel was falsely presented or an outright fabrication.
Politicians lie all the time, esp when they believe they are right. Bush was an ideologue for sure, believe the Neocon project was viable and for the greater good, that installing democracy was possible and in the interest of the US and the Iraqi people, that it would promote stability in the region while also promoting US power worldwide - if he'd pulled it off he might be known as less of a failure and a liar, if the project hadn't been such a failure the world might now be a safer place.
They fucked it all up though...
No.
But he wasn't a bad president either. He was one of those forgettable presidents.
>>79955460
The failure of the Iraqi democracy is on the Iraqis for being stupid faggots. And obango for pulling out.
>>79951533
We went to war in Iraq because Iraq stopped selling oil in dollars. If other countries followed suit the petrol dollar would collapse along with our economy.
he is an open borders piece of shit.
educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Li0Wa5rc0
It was a different time.
Yes, he was a good president.
Just not a popular one. Liberals hate him. Yankees hate him. Many Euros hate him (especially Belgium).
There was no right answer to the war on terror without going full Crusade against every muslim country.
There needed to be a decisive action. Iraq was an easy target due to UN violations and tangible proof that they had and used WMDs if you consider chemical weapons WMDS, which most do.
Before you start the whole they lied about WMDs, there is documented proof that Iraq had chemical weapons. They used them on the Kurds which is undeniable and several European companies and likely the CIA were involved in smuggling them chemical weapons and manufacturing equipment during the Iran and Iraq war. Just do a search, the evidence is overwhelming including invoices and people currently serving prison sentences.
And yes, pretty much everyone knew that the Saudis financed the activity. The Saudis finance almost every Sunni activist group so really not much of a surprise. Sadly the Saudis are one of our best allies in the region, pretty much shitty allies like Israel, but still cooperative to an extent.
Afghanistan intervention was somewhat of a separate issue.
For some reason western countries can't figure out that military intervention into Muslim countries is a recipe for disaster but still some military action was necessary post 9/11.
Bush has that Southern "don't give a shit" attitude and liked to make up words which drive the so called educated elite crazy. He did a good job, he just didn't give a shit about what you thought about him. Some people can't handle that.
And stop with Halliburton bullshit. Halliburton is not a huge monolithic company. They are an oilfield service company and not even the biggest. Schlumberger is the biggest.
Wasn't the worst president but likely was one of the most criticized.
>>79951390
Much better than Obama.
>>79952261
>8 more years of Bush over one more day of Obama
This may hands down be the dumbest thing I've ever read on 4chan.
Fuck off Malaysian parasite.
>>79956559
This. For God's sake, lads. It was a NWO move. The Bush family is pure globalist elite.
>>79954111
Saddam had lots of chemical weapons which he refused to hand over despite previous promises. They were poorly maintained or guarded and would have ended up with taliban or al queda or who the fuck knows. He was also a shithead tyrant. Fuck his sovereignty
>>79956813
>>79955768
How do you know he's Malyasian
>>79956766
It's pretty logical my liberal friend. Conservatives would rather have a conservative president than a liberal president.
Liberals would rather have a liberal president than a conservative president.
I would much rather have had Bush for 8 years than Obama. As a conservative, I think it would have been better for the country. I guarantee our relationship with Russia would be much better.
As a liberal you likely disagree.
Not really all that hard to understand.
>>79951492
decent, yet random as fuck banter.
>>79955768
Why the fuck would Malaysians go to your shithole nigger country?
>>79951390
it is explained pretty good with "kitty history" by that one guy from whitest kids you know
>>79956616
Bush also started the initiative to subsidize loans to niggers who couldn't get any, seeding the housing and loan crisis of 2008
Let's not forget that
>>79956902
I'm not even malyasian.
I mean I'm a kike, but not a malyasian
>>79956858
None of that matters. There was stability. Now it's a shitshow, migrant spewing hole that the real Iraqi patriots can't retake because Islamic militancy is fueled by the globalist commies.
>>79957130
Clinton seeding the economic crisis of 2008 even if Bush helped it.
>>79952697
>Clinton just happened to be President during the Dot Com boom and huge economic prosperity.
Just a pure coincidence, I'm sure.
>>79957028
they came as slaves and bread with the coloured communities.
they're muslim parasites like OP
>>79951755
nevermind the major collapse of the financial system that happened in the last year of his presidency.
>inb4 muh its all clinton and barney frank's fault
>>79954911
If we pulled out and the country fell to shit immediately, that means the country was never truly politically stabilized and we failed the mission. People were plotting behind the scenes the entire time, and biding their time.
They would have been antsing to start a revolution against the Military Police we put there.
Things would have been better if we never went to the Middle East in the first place. This is Bush's fault.
>>79955641
Get rid of Iraq entirely. It was an artificial state that shouldn't have existed. Sunnis, Shias and Kurds can't coexist in a single, democratic nation, without one having an overwhelming majority.
That wasn't the case with Iraq.
Sure balkanization and 3 different secular dictators would have been a PR disaster, the entire damned thing is a PR disaster. There's simply no positive spin that can be put on it.
Regardless, when dealing with the Middle East you're stuck with
>Secular Dictators
>Islamic Radicals.
Western democracy simply cannot exist in any real form over there.
Well, it could work, but it would have required our presence for decades. Freedom for foreigners isn't worth an American life or dollar.
bush sr. sold this country out more than any president before him. we never should have allowed/should allow another bush/clinton in office.
the only thing i'll say positive for Dubbya is that he at least wasn't shit tier when it comes to culture. soft bigotry of low expectations and whatnot, compared to the chime-in nigger we have in office right now.
>>79957324
>Economic crisies happen due to presidents
And I bet you think hoover caused the great depression you dumbass
>>79951390
No.
Better than Obama though.
He did seem like he'd be fun as fuck to hang out with at least.
>>79957278
Also republican house and congress
>>79957130
Yea, that was Clinton who relaxed lending standards and pressured lendors to "racially diversify" their portfolios.
It was also Clinton that repealed glass steagall which caused derivative investments to actually grow beyond the actual GDP of many countries.
Both of those were on Clinton, but nice try.
>>79956229
The problems is is that they didn't all die so the ones that lost loved ones during the US/allied attacks became radical. Which are the exact same people who are now infiltrating Europe and the US as refugees.
>>79951390
He was a lower mid-tier president, but at least he was a patriot and cared about Americans. I'd love to have a beer with him.
>>79951390
he wasn't nearly as terrible as people imply him to be. He wasn't all that great, but fuck he tried.
what do you expect from a man of mediocre intelligence running the world's most powerful military?
>>79957278
Dot.com boom was speculative garbage
It was guaranteed to bust and it did, being President while it happened is neither a plus or a minus. He did some economic benefit from it but not even his administration would want credit from it.
>>79957454
I think you mean both of those were Phil Graham.
Y'know, Bush's main economic advisor while he was running for President.
>>79951615
jew?
>>79951390
Sellout to Israeli/globalist interests, he essentially is a Republican Roosevelt.
>>79956968
Im not a liberal. Im a moderate. Bush was objectively a terrible president for destabilizing the Middle East, offering corporate bailouts at the start of the recession instead of allowing failed companies to die and get replaced, lying to the public, etc. Obama isn't the best, and the political landscape has gotten fiery as all hell with regards to race, gender, trans issues, etc., but we've made better strides as a nation than in the Bush era for sure.
I'd much rather have the bathroom debates than have soldiers dying for no reason to roadside bomb attacks in Bumfuckistan.
>>79957730
Actually no, they were both on the Clinton administration. Look it up if you want to know the truth. Pretty well documented and not even liberals with a brain debate it.
>>79951390
>starts a totally pointless war and occupation with fear mongering and lies
>racks up a ridiculous amount of debt
>didn't prevent 9/11, or even catch Bin Laden
I'm not even gonna read the thread.
>>79951390
No. Black George W. Bush was no better and now Girl George W. Bush will be as bad or worse.
>>79957850
>presidents pass laws
Do you not even know who Phil Graham was?
>>79958028
spelled Gramm, my mistake
>>79951390
no, but he was the last one.
>>79957454
So you are excusing Bush for being a bad President because Clinton was a bad President?
I don't grade on a curve.
The Iraq War, The illegal wire taps, The buildup of the government and the creation of a new Department, The failure of his corrupt and incompetent administration to stop 911 despite numerous attempts to inform Rice and Cheney by the National Security Adviser, The Torture Memo, The appointment of cronies who were unqualified to hold their positions like Ashcroft, and every fucking Diplomat...
Not to mention the economy...
He gets an F regardless of what the others in his class are doing.
The fact that he and his administration haven't been tried for war crimes
>>79954906
So he had friends?
>>79958350
...is the reason for the loss of faith in American Institutions. Same thing happened in the 1970's with Watergate.
No one follows the law because no one is ever held accountable.
>>79957849
Your views are pretty uneducated and close minded.
The US was attacked by Muslims. A military response was going to happen. The problem is that there was no true target. We weren't attacked by a country we were attacked by a religion. So we either pick a target or declare war on a religion. We picked Iraq for many reasons.
To say he destabilized the Middle East is fair but to imply it wasn't for a reason that demanded a military response is short sighted.
There were to busts on his watch the derivative bust which was caused by glass steagall being repealed by Clinton and overly speculative home mortgage lending.
A big part of the economy and stock market is a house made of cards, many investors are looking to make money not invest in the best stock. Banks going bankrupt on a large scale will always blow the market up, getting banks back on their feet will slow things down.
I have never met a politician who didn't lie. I'm not sure what you are referring to but if a lying politician hurts your feelings, then you are in for a lot of bad days.
If a real conservative was still President the race, gender, trans bullshit would not be near the issue it is now.
I appreciate your opinion, but my opinion is that the country would be in a much better place with any conservative (other than McCain who is bat shit crazy) as President including Bush.
>>79951390
he was the best president since reagan. he really was so based, and it really felt like he cared about america. genuinely cared, not pretended.
with obama I have not felt he cared about america ONCE. not even fucking once in 8 years, even when osama was killed i felt more proud of the seal team than obama.
i don't even know how people can fault him on anything he did
>>79952157
You frankly think "war on terrorism" was his purpose?
>>79957251
The Iraqi patriots were cowards who fled and/or defected to Isis. The lesson of the failure of the Iraqi democracy is that sandniggers are uncapable of it and will not fight for anyone or anything but god.
>>79958028
We are talking Presidents and their administration.
He didn't veto the GLBA he signed it with glowing praise.
This is a president discussion and holding them accountable for their fuck ups.
Signing GLBA and approving it was a colossal fucking mistake.
>>79956902
its a meme with the flag lookng like the usa
>>79957797
>Republican Roosevelt.
Last time I checked, there was already one.
>>79957324
He could have kept better tabs on the subprime morgage repackaging kikery. But that would not have gotten rid of the massive housing debt bubble which was the driving force behind the recession
>>79951390
No, he knew the US was going to be attacked and let it happen anyways.
Fuck him.
>>79958629
>US was attacked by muslims on 9/11
this is really what my fellow hamburgers believe
>>79956559
This.
>>79958350
Nope saying that Bush had a bunch of turds to deal with and had to deal with them.
There was no perfect answer to any of them.
That response you reference is a direct response to someone who said that Bush lowered the lending standards and caused the housing bust.
That didn't happen.
Your referencing a post out of context.
>>79959165
Tell us the truth you clever boy.
>>79959326
Why tell you when i can show you!
http://www.ae911truth.org/38-home-posts/78-education.html
>>79956559
Holy fuck
WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT THIS!. Sheeple aren't supposed to believe this. Believe any one of the bullshit reasons by either the d or r for invading but NOT THAT
>>79955491
I'd like to see you paint something then, shitbird.
>>79957345
It's bush's fault that obama pulled out early?
>>79957849
>trans issues
What's there to debate, they're nutjobs.
>>79953750
Knocking down the dictator wasnt the bad thing he did. It was leaving iraq too soon(something that obama did) that fucked up iraq.
Leaving iraq too soon gave the reigns of power to secretarian shia government that marginalized sunni and kurds and increased tension in iraq which gave rise to isis.
Had the americans stayed longer and had a better reconstruction plan for iraq no doubt removing saddam would have had a better consequences for the ME.
>>79952482
Shit loads of people still immigrate to the us and most nation still did what the us told them to do. So while the populace may have lost goodwill, nothing changed.
>>79958629
The US was attacked by 11 criminally deranged people. The US had intelligence that could have stopped it but the Bush Administration was too stupid, unimaginative, and incompetent to even listen, let alone react.
Then, to cover up their incompetence and to profit their friends, they made up a war against someone who had nothing to do with 911 whatsoever.
IF you excuse this behavior in any way in your addled mind, then you are the enemy. You are the moron who is undermining the narratives of the world that work because you are too inferior to have narratives that do work.
This is why I am a conservative: because I want to eliminate the stupid. This is why I hate all you racist, nationalist, reactionaries:
You are too stupid to even know you are too stupid; You are misinformed and have no reason in your pathetic lives to ever change your narrative to one that is consistent or reflects the world.
But the purge is coming. The intelligent see how you have squandered your legacy and your freedom, and have protected themselves...
>>79960627
The Iraq war was never even said to be about 9/11 you dumb faggot
>>79952902
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, President Clinton had four opportunities to kill bin Laden and he didn't take them. To put ALL the blame on George W. Bush is silly.
>>79959254
Wrong post. I said nothing of the financial crisis.
But I will say that it was Nixon and Reagan and Clinton that destroyed the economy.. We had a banking system in place - The Bretton Woods System - coupled with the laws put into effect throughout FDR that fixed most of the problems with international trade, and out of control speculation. Notice there were no bubbles from the 40s to the 80s.
Bush was stupid about everything; from believing that God cured him of his Cocaine habit, to how the economy functioned.
He was a Magical Thinking Good ole Boy who used personal relationships instead of knowledge of the world to get by....
>>79959326
Dude, how the fuck does that make sense that we were attacked by Muslims? All Muslims have different opinions because all opinions don't matter (like any form of theistic gods that will do anything with this physical (seeing as we are the Gods)). Christianity alone should be able to teach you this by showing the divide in Catholicism and Protestantism and the relations and thoughts between them about the Papacy.
>>79957321
>slave
>flag
Go fuck yourself nigger
>Undisputed facts:
>1. Prior to 1990, Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran and it's own civilians
>2. Prior to 1990, Iraq had an active WMD program (both chemical and nuclear).
>3. Under the threat of military action, the UN mandated that Iraq destroy all of chemical weapon stockpiles
>4. Iraq destroyed some, but not all of its chemical weapon stockpiles
Iraq did not have an active chemical weapons manufacturing program in 2003, but they still retained many of their chemical weapons they were supposed to destroy.
>>79960986
lies.. Every one of those attempts were canceled because he followed the law. And you forgot all the attempts he did take. He used cruse missiles on the guy every chance he had that was legal..
Big difference between a guy who didn't take out Bin Laden because he wanted his friends from Pakistan to do it..
Look how that turned out.
It is a pattern of stupidity that no one on this board is wired to see because you all use the same pattern of thought-
Magical Thinking.
You think your feels of camaraderie and loyalty and identification with race are going to come up with a narrative that leads you to your intents.
It won't.
>>79960973
AND you are so stupid that when the facts don't agree with you, you just make stuff up..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations
Q.E.D
>>79958629
>The US was attacked by Muslims. A military response was going to happen. The problem is that there was no true target. We weren't attacked by a country we were attacked by a religion. So we either pick a target or declare war on a religion. We picked Iraq for many reasons.
The fact that we got attacked by a religion was all the more reason NOT to go into the middle east. There wasn't any concrete enemy and we were taking swings in the dark.
All we should have done was start screening Muslim citizens and removing the extremists. We didnt need to actually go into the Middle East. We had a problem on the home front, not in the Middle East.
9/11 was bad, but it wasn't Pearl Harbor. It wasnt a declaration of war by a foreign nation. It was some extremists being shitheads.
>>79951390
No but at least he fucking loved America. He does a ton of charity work for vets.
After 9/11 he should have just nuked every Muslim country. No one in America would have cared
>>79959897
Its Bush's fault that we are in the middle east. Pulling out "early" is beside the point because it'd always have been "too early" to pull out. We weren't stabilizing the country while we were there. We were suppressing extremists that were lying in wait. I mean I dont know about you, but I remember back in the 00s we would get those videos from the extremists in caves playing on the news every other week. We still had bombs going off in cities.
The place wasn't getting stabilized. Obama didn't pull out and "cause a political collapse" over there. He got our soldiers out of an area that was never going to be stabilized by us in the first place.
>>79961797
If you could read you could see it read right there that bush said they MIGHT conspire, not that they already had. Other officials claimed that they were but this was not a primary justification for invasion
>>79961899
You fucking idiot. It was worse than Pearl Harbor in every way possible.
>>79954729
I think you mean Hitler
>>79961899
>9/11 was bad, but it wasn't Pearl Harbor. It wasnt a declaration of war by a foreign nation.
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read all day. Thank you, anon.
>>79962358
this /thread
>>79958985
And the financial crisis didn't happen when Clinton was President, and none of the people in his administration were in power.
Financial deregulation was a Republican idea, pushed to Clinton's desk by Republicans in Congress.
Clinton was a moderate Democrat, who needed to compromise with Republicans on some of their policy priorities in order to get their support for his priorities. That's why he signed Republican proposed laws when they didn't have immediately apparent negative consequences.
Then, in Bush's second term, after Republican economic deregulation has gone even further and faster... a crisis hits.
Bush was the proximate cause of the crises. Clinton signed some bad laws many years before, but Bush signed even more bad laws and ignored all of the critical signs that shit was getting out of hand as it was happening. Clinton did not have the opportunity to stop the crises. Bush had many opportunites to intervene to stop things getting worse, but didn't.
>>79962411
>If you could read you could see it read right there that bush said they MIGHT conspire, not that they already had. Other officials claimed that they were but this was not a primary justification for invasion
If you could read what you just wrote, you would see that the Bush administration lied about the connection between 911 and Iraq, and falsely ties the two together...
How are you so stupid and yet able to feed yourself?
Or does your mommy get a gubmint check?
>>79958383
BANE?
>>79962358
And then we lose our major oil trade partners, and the economy collapses because we are left using our own small pool of oil in Texas/Alaska, etc and the price of gas shoots to something ridiculous like $8 a gallon. Millions of Americans working outside the oil industry are now unemployed, auto industry dies since people can't afford to put gas in the cars after buying them, people can't afford to drive their cars to work, and we are stuck in between a rock and a hard place as public assets including school buses, city buses, trains, planes, etc. are rotting and becoming a strain on the economy since they cannot be used to gain capital to cover their cost of purchase.
Good going.
>>79962794
Bush never said there was a connection, but COULD be. It was not known deffinitively that it was not the case until 2006.
>>79951390
a good man; a faulty president in that he placed too much advice from neocons.
>>79962459
>>79962545
>9/11 worse than Pearl Harbor
Pearl Harbor was a legitimate attack by the Japanese. 9/11 was terrible, but it wasn't an attack by a nation. It was an attack by crazed religious extremists.
We should have done a screening process and deported Muslims instead of going to fight a war against a non-concrete enemy spread across the middle east.
>>79957446
is this real, or was it edited? I want this giant doggo now.
>>79963356
Probably not shooped. Caucasian Mountain Dog IIRC. They're huge as fuck.
>>79958350
>So you are excusing Bush for being a bad President because Clinton was a bad President?
That's not what anon said at all. Either your reading comprehension sucks, or you are willfully distorting what he has been saying on purpose for the sake of looking right.
After reading previous posts, I'd say the latter.
And before you ask, I thought Dubya sucked.
>>79963444
fuck I googled it, those things are giant. I have an urge to ride one into battle with an ar-15 shooting normies
also check'd
>>79953656
Obama had to deal with the status of forces agreement signed under GWB, and Obama tried to negotiate it, Maliki supported it, but Obama could not secure legal protections for troops due to the Iraqi parliament, under pressure by their constituents to not support the agreement, which resulted in not being able to have a significant stay behind force. And you're acting like Obama just withdrawing all those troops caused the sudden chaos and instability and ISIL right away. I don't think that's the full picture at all.
Pretty turrible
>>79954943
Bush seems like a god because Obongo is a retarded nigger while Bush was at least funny and cool.
Did you even see the photo?
>>79962545
hes right though after pearl harbour america knew where to find their enemy
after 9/11 the us didnt know where to go to get bin laden
>>79951390
If he wouldn't have invaded Iraq he could have gone down as one of our greatest actually.
>>79960627
Your missing the whole Muslims attack the US, the US bombs the shit out of Muslims.
Usually the attacks are small scale so the response is relatively small scale.
9/11 wasn't small scale so the response had to be bigger. Iraq was the easiest target to justify.
Your rant is forceful but your common sense is pathetic.
Do you and your upcoming purging intelligent overlord group have a secret hand shake?
>>79960973
No politician will say Iraq was about 9/11 but you are ridiculously naive to think 9/11 was not a big motivation for taking Saddam out. I'm not saying Saddam was behind 9/11, I'm sure he enjoyed it, but he was not behind it but someone had to be the example and Iraq was a fairly easy target.
All of you revisionists forget that when we attacked Iraq the country almost universally approved. That would not have been the case without 9/11
I'm glad I could educate you fellas, but back to work, lunch break is over.
>>79951390
He was okay. Made some good choices made some bad choices. I certainly felt better during his tenure than I have for the past ~8 years.
>>79962386
No you see if we occupied Iraq for 20 more years and spent trillions more dollars, then it would have been successful.
>>79951390
yes.
>>79962924
>muh oil
>>79959086
The thing is, he knew this would happen and tried to prevent it. A few times if I'm not mistaken. Frank called him an idiot and kept the bubble expanding until it ultimately collapsed.
