Post what you honestly THINK will happen.
Not what you WANT to happen, what you THINK will happen.
Also include popular vote prediction.
http://www.270towin.com
>>79915774
Clinton 51.5%
Trump 47%
The map is too fucking skewed in favor of the dems right now.
Trump could win the popular vote by 5% and would still probably lose.
Pic related is me being as optimistic as fucking possible while staying in the realm of what is realistic.
>>79915774
Clinton: 52%
Trump: 46%
>>79916045
Flip:
Nevada to Clinton
Colorado to Trump
Florida to Clinton
I don't know how the Democrats entrenched themselves in urban population centers but that was the best moves they ever made
>>79916045
>Pic related is me being as optimistic as fucking possible while staying in the realm of what is realistic.
you can give him PA, NH and MI if you want to be 'as optimistic as fucking possible while staying in the realm of what is realistic'
I was as pro trump as possible and I still don't see a way.
It's not Trump's fault.
The GOP is actively fighting to stop him which is alienating votes he needs to win.
Plus, on top of the the map has a huge Democrat lean this year.
Fucking Georgia is a battleground state.
CO is absolutely in play this year, /pol/.
48% Trump
44% Clinton
8% other
>>79916365
>>79916533
>Pennsylvania
>Going Red
Not in a million years.
You might as well give him New York as well.
>>79916365
>Trump getting Pennsylvania
As a Pittsburgh native, let be the first to tell you that's never going to happen.
Penn people love their guns for hunting season, but at the end of the day this is a blue state. Period.
>>79916725
>Not in a million years.
>You might as well give him New York as well.
hillary has a 2pts lead in PA atm and it's been virtually even for months now. Trump could legit win PA.
There's a chance Trump holds on to West Virginia and Georgia, but even if he does, he loses badly.
Popular vote will be closer but Clinton will still win due to displaced Republicans not voting.
>>79916896
Pennsylvania is becoming more and more red, most polls survey more democrats than Republicans so its very possible
>>79916896
Oh hi Canada, let me learn you something about American politics.
Again, as a PA native resident, this is a blue state. It's not overwhelmingly liberal and will always show up as a close state in the polls, but when push comes to shove, we always end up voting blue.
Trump has a similar lead in Georgia over Clinton. Will Georgia go Blue? Of course fucking not. Same story here only reversed.
>>79916960
>>79916375
>>79916160
>Orlando shooting
>>79915774
>>79917163
The dems successfully wove the Orlando shooting to be about homophobia and gun control.
Clinton has only gotten more support from the state since.
>>79917161
890k vs 920k votes in the primaries
Tell me how this is not close
>>79917459
How many times do people need to be told that primaries =/= general election?
And again. I've lived here my whole life.
Every election cycle the GOP makes a push for this state because they think it's in reach.
It doesn't matter if every hic from state College to Harrisburg votes for Trumo, Pittsburgh and Shittydelphia will overpower them.
>>79915774
We should wait until the debates come over to start predicting Tbh.
>>79917161
Elections are turnout driven. Looking at PA's electorate, the Hillary voters are not going to be as motivated as the rural Trump voters, not by a long shot. Will an inner-city Philly or Pittsburgh resident REALLY be as motivated to vote for Hillary as they were for Obama? Will they even vote at all?
I'm imagining the anti-coal miner soundbite getting replayed constantly, and rural PA folks effectively going to war for Trump while urban Dems suffer lackluster turnout and self-assure themselves that "I live in a blue state, not voting is fine."
>>79916160
This map plus blue Arizona.
>>79917785
>"Trump will lead in the polls after he wins the primary"
>"Trump will lead in the polls after Orlando"
>"Trump will be leading in the polls after Brexit"
>"Hillary will be indicted! Trump will be guaranteed a win!"
<you are here>
>"Trump will be leading in the polls after the convention"
>"Trump will be leading in the polls after the debates"
>"Who cares about polls? Trump will win on election night!"
>"Hillary cheated! The system is rigged!"
>>79916960
You forgot North Carolina, in a world where Georgia flips then NC definitely will too.
>>79916791
You city fuckheads dont know shit. I live in central PA and people are crazy about Trump here. Low voter turnout particularly black and young will push the vote to Trump. Screenshot this, same will happen in MI
This seems to be a proTrump thread so here's what he absolutely needs to win:
Florida
Ohio
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Any other scenario is frankly unrealistic
North Carolina should be locked, he's been winning handily but Hillary has spiked recently due to her endorsements. I expect her to die back down after the Republican convention.
Ohio is feasible. He just needs to to shill his trade policies hard. I think he'll lock it in when he starts spending money.
Florida will be tough. Their electorate is quite fickle so this state will likely be decided by turnout. Hillary will be blitzing "Trump hates Hispanics" ads to mobilize the south. Trump needs to somehow mobilize the north and get them excited. I don't think the Orlando shooting will be enough.
Pennsylvania will be Trump's greatest challenge. Winning Pittsburgh or at least having Hillary barely win is the key. He's promised to return the steel industry. I don't know how that will go. Like Ohio, he needs to shill trade hard.
He really needs to start seriously campaigning soon. And none of this "4D chess campaign in New York and California to steal Pennsylvania and Florida" bullshit. Hillary's campaign is smart and will not fall for these tricks. They'll let him waste his time in this blue states. Trump needs campaign ads and he needs them fast. He's a better marketer than Hillary and he has more material to work with so he should win the ad battle. The problem is getting his message to the people. With the general electorate being generally less informed, they need to see tv commercials, see positives on the news, and hear radio ads. Rallies and tweets will not work. Hillary and the media is already fear mongering Trump hard in these states. It will work really well because she only needs to mobilize Democrats and win one of these states to get into the Oval Office.
Hillary has about a 60+% probability of winning at the moment.
>>79918136
>Silent Majority
This.
>>79918136
>I live in central PA and people are crazy about Trump here
I know they are. Unfortunately, that's all irrelevant. Pic related.
>>79918136
>Low voter turnout particularly black and young will push the vote to Trump.
This is why you're gonna lose. You take it for granted that minority turnout will be low. You can't just assume things like that when planning for victory, it's an easy way to get blindsided in November.
>>79918290
Take a look at the UK referendum, rural areas played a huge role in Leave's victory
>>79918257
Good post, I agree with everything.
>>79918060
Polling is rigged. Get ready for Hillary to sell our anuses to foreigners on the low!
>>79918257
>winning Pittsburgh
Never going to happen.
It's not a liberal cuckold, but it's still a solid blue city.
The south hills and parts of squirrel hill will vote for Trump. The south side, North shore, downtown, Lawrenceville, and Shadyside are all very pro hillary.
Stop this dream of having Trump win PA. That's not going to happen. He needs to find another way.
>>79918569
>australian intellectuals
>>79918569
>Third party winning any state
Never happening.
>>79918654
>>79918569
Pretty goddamn accurate
>>79916960
This is insanely retarded.
What makes you think West Virginia and Georgia will go blue?
Seriously, fucking West Virginia? Might as well give New York and California to Trump
>>79918443
Pennsylvania doesn't have the same demographic makeup of England.
The overwhelming majority of the populace live in urban areas. There isn't enough countryside here to swing the state red. Just enough to make it close.
>>79918636
Staying within realism, if he doesn't win PA then he needs:
NH
Colorado or Wisconsin
Iowa or Nevada
Any scenario here is way less likely than him winning PA. It's PA or bust
>>79918866
I agree whole heartily that West Virginia going blue is retarded, but Georgia is very much in play. Polling indicates they are dead-even in that state, and the Clinton campaign have already targeted it for each ad-buys after the convention. It's still very much a likely-red state, but if Trump keeps tripping over his dick, she could swing it. Same with Arizona and North Carolina.
>>79918125
NC is the exact demographic Trump appeals to though, a blue-collar white state that's lost a lot of honest jobs.
GA is a lot different, but to be frank I lived all over GA and it's not going to flip.
>>79918636
>He needs to find another way.
There really isn't any other way. If Trump can't win Pennsylvania then he would have to do something even more unbelievable like flipping both Iowa and Wisconsin. And even that would only get him to 269, so he'd need to flip one other state in addition to those (probably Colorado). Trump winning Pennsylvania isn't likely but it's still the best and arguably only way he can win, so he has to go all in on it and try.
>>79918919
Keep in mind that there are still people in the city who would vote for trump
>>79918569
Johnson has more of a chance of winning Utah if Romney endorses him than of winning New Mexico.
>>79918863
That would be based, shillary wins the popular but trump pulls a win by the electorate
>>79919032
Which is why I say he really can't win.
I mean, he CAN, but assuming he will is just dumb.
It has nothing to do with being anti-Trump.
>>79919187
post yfw trump pulls a dubya
>>79919120
kek
This is actually the best way Romney could fuck over Trump. It would add another must win swing state to his already long list
>>79919314
>implying the madman wont do it
>>79915774
It's pretty much over. Nobody cared about the email scandals and nobody will care. America will die.
Should be obvious why I picked what I did.
Only note I feel like making is Nevada - I feel Trump has a very large chance to win, but I feel like the presence of Gary Johnson will ultimately swing it to Hillary, especially since most Bernouts will have rallied behind Hillary.
Makes me sad to say this, but ultimately I think Shillary will win. Trump needs to get his shit together.
Final prediction:
Clinton: 48%
Trump: 42%
Johnson: 7%
Stein: 2%
Other: 1%
>>79919448
This.
It's not like Hillary beat Trump on her own. It took a severe sabotaging of potential voters by the GOP to stop the true people's candidate.
I must say I've enjoyed the ride, but now I'm mostly wondering at what point I should jump off. I don't want to still be super involved by the time election day rolls around. I mean, I'll vote for Trump obviously, but I can't still be on the ride when Hillary wins.
>>79919448
This. The media has too much of a grip on the general electorate. They twisted Orlando to make him look weak and they just made the email scandal a complete non issue. Trump would win in a fair campaign but life is not fair. Hillary will be president. Either buy and gun and prepare to fight for your freedoms or look for a new home.
>>79919019
I don't think NC is as white and blue-collar as you think. Maybe in the western part of the state it is, but not in the northeast and the four major cities. And Obama won in in 08, so there's at least precedent for it flipping. Georgia on the other hand hasn't voted Democrat since Bill Clinton in 92, I agree it probably won't flip unless Trump's campaign totally collapses between now and November.
>>79919689
Go down with the ship. Don't be a coward. Tell your children and grandchildren you did all you could.
>>79919699
>look for a new home
There is nowhere else to go, the USA is the last bastion of true freedoms (compared to the rest of the world) : (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-96AJFSfPEE
Why does California have so many goddamned votes, look how big Montana is, and they only get three.
>>79920076
Here's your (YOU)
>>79920076
(you)
>>79920076
lol it's in regards to population, commiefornia has like ~40 million, montana has like 1-1.5 million
>City of L.A. alone has more people
>>79920076
here's (you) your
>>79916330
They imported enormous numbers of illegal immigrants from Asia, issued them fake ID's, and had the local tongs make them vote democrat. Among other things.
>>79919003
I believe Georgia going blue is very unlikely just because how god damn conservative that place is.
Going by polls alone and if the election was tomorrow, this would be the result. Nevada could go either way. I couldn't find any polls.
Trump NEEDS to win Florida, Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Ohio to win. Michigan, Wisconsin and Virginia are too unrealistic to even consider. Those states he needs to win are growing in blue numbers so he'll have a big uphill battle to win. I'm actually surprised how well he's doing in Colorado.
Trump needs to stop bullshitting around and actually start launching ads if those states if he wants to win. His VP pick will also play a huge role in the GE. If he chooses someone retarded and unlikable like Gingrich or Sessions then all hope for a Trump victory will dissipate.
I cannot see Trump winning at all honestly.
>>79919689
>>79919699
I don't even think it's Trump's fault entirely. If the GOP honored their commitments and went full on for Trump, spent enough money, united together and attacked Hillary, they could definitely reach enough working class whites to push Trump to victory. Instead, they act like Jews with the Party's money, attack Trump, jump on board with fucking SJW horseshit, openly praise Hillary and refuse to vote for him despite telling everyone else to unite for Romney 4 years ago.
Trump is fighting a massive political machine with half strength. It would've been close had the Republicans united around Trump, but it'll be a catastrophic blowout considering his own party is intentionally sabotaging him. When they see fucking pieces of shit like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan blasting their Party's nominee like they do, what do you imagine people will think?
There is absolutely nothing worse than the traitors in the GOP. I'd hang Romney, Ryan or McConnell before I'd hang Shillary. At least Shillary is supposed to be against Trump.
>>79918257
>mfw the Orlando shooting means she can run anti-gun ads and take Florida
>mfw this was her plan all along
>>79915774
I think I'll be sad
>>79915774
>http://www.270towin.com
post yfw this map happens on election night
>>79920583
>Hillary winning West Virginia
>Hillary winning South Carolina
>Hillary winning Kentucky
>Hillary winning Tennessee
>Hillary winning Utah
>Hillary winning Louisiana
nice meme :^)
>>79919678
I dunno. As somebody who grew up in Nevada...it's a weird state.
You've got a ton of Californians who have Nevada ID's (and therefore vote for Nevada) to avoid taxes. Cali is their "summer home." That'll probably swing it to Clinton.
But you've also got mormons in higher proportions than almost anywhere except Utah, Nevada libertarians, an obscene number of tinfoilers, metroplitan liberals, and God knows what else. Southern Nevada is basically just Vegas, and thus very metropolitan, but northern Nevada is just Bumfuck, Nowhere except for a few places. As a result, only the southern vote really counts.
Also, Sheldon Adelson will likely decide who takes Nevada.
>>79920386
>Republicans praise Hillary
Wait, what?
>>79920583
>Kentucky
>Blue
>>79920386
Completely agree. The turning point of this election was Trump refusing Gingrich's bribe to become VP. Before that, the party was unifying behind him and he was getting endorsements left and right. Literally the day after Infowars reported he refused the bribe, the GOP jumped on whatever the manufactured scandal was at the time, retracted their endorsements, and started actively campaigning for Hillary. If he picks an establishment VP, he might be able to salvage his campaign but he won't based on principle.
This campaign will read like a Greek tragedy with Trump's greatest failure being his desire to end political corruption.
>>79915774
It's going to be all about Ohio and Florida
>>79920386
This.
The GOP isiterally is worse than the Democrats.
Honestly, unless there's a MAJOR terrorist attack that doesn't involve assault rifles, I don't see Trumo winning this election.
If there's a silver lining to all this, it's that my woes have been opened to how incredibly undermined the US democratic process is by the true forces that run the country.
I suppose I should take the Brexit victory and leave the table somewhat satisfied.
>>79920762
Missouri here. I have kin in all those states except Utah, and everyone unanimously hates Hillary and loves Trump. That anon's map is total fiction.
>>79920916
East Ky is mostly poor welfare folks, meth, and heroin. West on the other hand, I have seen next to no minorities outside of Paducah.
>>79920771
Yeah, Nevada seems pretty weird. Was the hardest state to predict for along with NH.
Given you have the Californians with Nevada ID, I think it's likely to swing for Hillary. Though I do think Trump has a very, very real chance to win there if he plays his cards right.
Same with here in NC. Lot of white, working class people who've been fucked out of jobs (including my mother). She and I will be voting Trump in November, hopefully he can eke out a victory.
>>79920995
>Trump winning VA, NV, CO, and IA
that's a bold claim
My state, Nevada, will go blue as usual
>>79920360
He doesn't need Colorado, he already wins with justFlorida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
>>79921127
Yeah, it was WV which is the real bullshit. Trump will easily win in a landslide, lots of white working class voters.
>>79917161
New Jersey native, travel to Amish country every few months.
Amish people will have massive turnouts this year. Never before have I seen the amount of enthusiasm I am now coming from the Amish for an election.
>>79921230
About 85% of my family comes from WV. They want to fucking hang Hillary. They're Hatfields, too, which doesn't help.
>>79921215
I guess so. I'm not holding my breath though.
>>79921230
>WV
>working class
pfftahahahahahha
>>79920771
Mormons don't help Trump though, they hate him enough to put Utah on the verge of being a competitive this cycle.
>>79919097
Aren't the suburbs looking good for republicans this year, too? I remember a poll where Trump was up solidly with housewives.
>>79919689
>>79919699
Can't tell if concern troll demoralization shills or if you seriously think this.
Also
>The media has too much of a grip on the general electorate.
The media absolutely slaughtered Dubya before the 2004 election (or as a more recent example, Brexit) but he still won.
>>79921465
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, kiddo, so save your dignity now and quit pretending.
The electoral map is more cucked than it ever has been.
Virginia, the capital state of the confederacy is now essentially a lock for the democrats.
So when Trump loses to HILLARY in November. Don't feel too bad, it was pretty innevitable and out of his control
>>79921637
Quit pretending what? The fuck are you on about?
Dumb motherfucker
>>79921651
>>79921032
I love this new demoralization tactic by shills.
>yeah whatever the election is rigged
>Trump can't win anyway it's out of his control
>Hillary didn't get indicted so she'll win because that means she has the FBI on her side
Fuck off.
>>79921651
NOVA needs nuked.
>>79921760
That WV isn't working class.
You fucking teenager.
You don't know shit from your asshole.
>>79921824
I'm from Berkeley County you dumb fuck and I'd be lying if I said West Virginia is working class.
For instance, look at the unemployment rate in this state. WV is objectively shit tier but most of the blame is Obama and job killing environmental policies.
>fucking teenager
>kiddo
projecting much kek
>>79921608
>factually describing the situation is concern trolling
If anyone can pull this off it's Trump but he has quite the hill to climb. Pretending otherwise at this point is pure delusion.
>>79921137
Whatever dude.
I'm from Ky and I can assure you we will go red as we almost always do. The cousin kissing east will not make us go blue.
So... is it over?
>>79922079
People have been saying the exact thing every step of the way. Every little thing he did was the "end of his campaign". You say him refusing Gingrich as a VP was some "turning point" but it wasn't really significant. Wait for the Republican convention. At this point saying things like "Hillary will win" when you have Quinnipiac polls (historically favoring Dems) saying their poll numbers are within the margin of error is either pure stupidity or an attempt to push a narrative, as people have been trying to do since the beginning.
>>79921978
My great grandfather died in a mine collapse, leaving my grandpa, a 6'th grader, to provide for his mom and siblings.
He went on to have nine kids, two of which died in infancy, and spent his lifen in the coal mines. He spent so much on my grandma, my mom, and her siblings, he never had enough in his pocket to buy himself a Coke. Then one day, he started coughing.
In December1984, he had a lobectomy, which gave him three more years. He watched his sons, and their sons, go into the mines after him. He died September of 1987, one month before I was born. I never met him.
In summer of 1998, we went to visit our kin there, and every single male cousin I had came in at the same time, 8 at night, knocking soot off their bodies at the door. Every man in the county did the same. It's their way of life. They all work, harder than you ever have. So eat a bowl of dicks. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>79922410
gb2lebbit shill.
>>79919770
Friend, while we here in NC have been getting the leftist refuse from all across the northern and western U.S. states moving here in recent years, Obama did not win NC in 2012.
He won in 2008 because of large black voter turnout. Hell, even Bill Clinton never won NC. In fact this state has only gone blue TWICE since 1968, and one of those was for Jimmy Carter.
I'm not resting on laurels just yet, but I'd be very surprised to see Trump lose this state to Clinton. Outside of Charlotte, Durham, and parts of Raleigh, I've seen nothing but support for Trump. And even then, the only Democrat signs/bumperstickers/t-shirts I saw prior were for Bernie.
Trump obviously can't let up in NC, but I don't buy the """"battleground state"""""" narrative the media is trying to spin.
>>79921978
Working class or not, they're still white and will vote for Trump in a landslide. Know a lot of people from WV who want her dead.
>>79922480
>Wait for the Republican convention.
Refer to >>79918060
>>79922583
This. Also live in NC and lived here in 2008 and 2012. In 2008, blacks were wheeling out their 100 year old grandmother to vote for the first black president.
They didn't turn out in 2012 and so Romney won.
This year, I've seen no support for Clinton outside of Charlotte/Durham/Greensboro (never been to Raleigh). I've seen more Bernouts than Hillary supporters, they just don't turn out.
Trump should win NC unless he fucks something up.
>>79918060
My point is that you say the party hasn't completely gotten behind him yet, the convention will obviously change this.
>Refer to >>79918060
I didn't say any of those things. You SRS shills really are pathetic.
>"Trump will lead in the polls after he wins the primary"
He did for a bit.
>"Hillary will be indicted! Trump will be guaranteed a win!"
No one said that, that was only a dream scenario for Bernie supporters after they realized he couldn't win. That and "we'll make the superdelegates switch". And he is already tied in polls like Quinnipiac, Rasmussen, even PPP (agency funded by Democrats). Not to mention polls were completely wrong regarding Brexit.
You faggots are the ones who've been saying Trump would drop out since NBC cut their ties with him after he announced this candidacy more than a year ago, yet it didn't change shit. And you'll be wrong again.
>>79922527
That's kind of the point though, isn't it? When people think "white working class", they typically think about factory and manufacturing work, not so much mining. And WV is all about mining.
I do appreciate your story though.
>>79922527
That's very unfortunate for your family and obviously they sound like hard workers but the same cannot be said about the state as whole. The state is filled with lazy fucks who collect welfare and other benefits because they cannot be bothered to work. I'm not even projecting all that much because we both know it's true. And then there's the minority who actually need those benefits because jobs are so scarce here.
Or maybe you're living in one of the few counties that know meaningful work.
>>79922619
She killed the 0.0001% she had winning this state by announcing she wants to put coal miners and coal businesses out of work.
>>79920806
Mitch McConnell said that Hillary was "talented" and a bunch of other shit.
>>79920969
>>79921032
The Donald is a good man. I admire what he has done and the fight he continues. Had we been at full strength, I'd be feeling pretty well right now. But considering that the GOP's energy is sapped by traitors, I feel that this is utterly hopeless. He attempted to take on the globalists and Jews, but they appear to have learned from their loss in Britain and are stopping at nothing to defeat Trump.
>>79922982
>Just today the FBI legitimately said Hillary is guilty but reccomended not indicating her anyway.
Again, most people never expected an indictment. You shills need a new talking point.
>>79922480
You're looking at this the wrong way.
If Trump loses to Hillary, as he likely will, he will ave already done the impossible. He will have taken on the establishment of both parties and gotten more than 40% of the National vote in a presidential election. That's unheard of for someone that isn't a plant.
Yeah it would be nice if he won, but it's probably not in the cards. Just today the FBI legitimately said Hillary is guilty but reccomended not indicating her anyway. How can you win against a system like that?
Think of it like the first Rocky movie.
Rocky technically doesn't win, but him, a literal who, goes the distance all the way, and that's what is important.
>>79923127
See: >>79923098
Most people never expected her to go to jail, it was always gonna come down to popular vote.
>>79922982
> trump almost winning despite the entire establishment and brainwashed normies fighting him tooth and nail
That's some Gurren Lagann shit right there
>>79922583
>>79922829
Well I think this year is a bit special for NC. As you say, migration from other parts of the country have been gradually turning it more purple than red, and there's also the issue regarding HB2 that the media has turned a magnifying glass on the state. I think that could be used as a lightningrod to boost Democrat voter turnout this year with so many state offices up for grabs. And given how close statewide elections have been in recent years, a few extra percentages are all you would need to swing it.
>>79923004
The leaf raises a fair point. Polls this year have been heavily inconsistent, the electorate is far too unpredictable and frustrated to take polls at face value. One only has to look at Brexit or the Michigan polls for Shillary/Bernie to see that polls should be taken with a grain of salt.
Trump has a very real chance to win the general, but he needs to step his game up.
>>79923216
>User Generated Map
>>79923216
Texas would go blue way before some of the other states. The last red state would probably be something like Idaho, Wyoming, or Oklahoma.
>>79923376
You claim that the polls have been inconsistent, and yet your examples are pretty much the only two times the polling was wrong. And one of the examples is from another country.
Hilary is above the law:
"Federal Law: Title 18. Section 2071
Can it be any clearer?
Former United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey tells MSNBC that not only is Hillary Clinton's private email server illegal, it "disqualifies" her from holding any federal office.
Such as, say, President of the United States.
"If you do this or that bad thing, you've essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world," said Mukasey, referring to the illegal server and the illegal handling of classified materials.
Mukasey specifically points to one federal law, Title 18. Section 2071.
For those of us who do not have United States Code committed to memory, here's what it says:
“(a)
Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)
Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.”
Yes, it explicitly states "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
Shouldn't voters know that? The media won't tell them. So it's up to us."
>>79923089
>She killed the 0.0001% she had winning this state by announcing she wants to put coal miners and coal businesses out of work.
This.
Also see what you mean, WV is pretty lazy.
>>79923317
I see what you mean. We've had a lot of migration, especially with Latinos in Charlotte (where I live). HB2 could definitely be used to energize Democratic voters (golly fucking gee do I hate identity politics), but I still think it's a very realistic bid for Trump. Clinton could definitely win the state, though.
Not that it means a whole lot, but I'm a former Bernout tossing my vote behind Trump.
>>79923617
I could fish for more examples but I'm too tired senpai. I'm not entirely discounting polls, I'm just saying they're not as reliable like a heavily predictable year like 2012.
>>79923617
This. There are many polls skewed towards Hillary, but all polls can't collectively be ignored outright. If Trump was actually handily winning these states, he would at least be winning more than one poll every few weeks. You could argue the shy conservative principle is at work but there's little hard data to suggest that.
Like I said earlier, 60% Hillary 40% Trump
>>79916330
I think Colorado is going to Clinton too, Trump might have a solid chance of getting Ohio though and Penn
>>79923940
>Trump might have a solid chance of getting Ohio though
Yeah, he's doing well there.
>and Penn
Stop this meme
Don't give a fuck, this is going to be it.
The more you put faith into the states in doubt, the more their faith grows stronger. Something we need to hold strong this election. This is last time we will have another candidate that is nearly as charismatic as Reagan. I don't even like Reagan, but we need someone with the same energy, and Trump is the only one that can even come close.
BELIEVE in your state, this is anyone's game this year, even California could completely take people by surprise. I don't care how many people say what they "see" in Los Angeles and San Francisco. Turnout DOES make a difference and independent voters should not be undervalued.
Every person on this board, even the most degenerate user can still help make a difference this election. Even shill bots can be saved, many people before them have come here to shitpost and lurk, and in the end, they stay here, and become supporters of the same shared beliefs of this community.
I have faith in California, Washington, Wisconsin, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Hawaii. You only have to try to influence your select group of friends and try to make them do the same for you. IT CAN BE DONE and WE CAN WIN THIS ELECTION.
>>79924109
>Oregon
Tipped the fuck out of my chair laughing
>>79923317
The young Democrats do not like Hillary. They were, every single one of them, Bernie or bust.
As with 2012, the minorities, blacks and Latinos, will not turn out to vote in droves, and I seriously doubt they will turn out in numbers high enough to tip the balance in Hillary's favor.
Furthermore, the Democratic voter turnout was historically low during the primary season here, yet was significantly higher on the Republican side. If that is any indication, I think the General Election gap will be larger than 2012.
Lastly, HB2? What the fuck are you on about? That was an ""issue"" that the media wanted to parade around as if it were Watergate, only to forget about it completely approximately 1.5 months after it happened. More exciting things took place on the national and social stages. Only a fool who never read the legislation would be opposed to it. The race for Governor might be closer than the Presidential election, but Roy Cooper has been nowhere to be seen.
Of course, if you lived here, you'd understand that the Democrats who would "use HB2 as a lightningrod" would only attempt to do so in the largest 3 cities, and only to seem opposed to the Republicans. This is not an LGBT friendly state, and the people who HAVEN'T forgotten about the bill were never opposed to it in the first place.
This all boils down to which group of voters cares the most to actually go out and vote. And by traveling all around this state, interacting with everyone under the sun for the past 10 months, I'm confident Hillary is the underdog by far.
>>79924109
>Michigan
>Delaware
>Vermont
>Maine
>Oregon
Straight up delusional anon. God fucking damn
>>79924205
>The young Democrats do not like Hillary. They were, every single one of them, Bernie or bust.
This has already been proven wrong.
The vast majority of Bernie's vase has already rallied around Hillary.
>>79924109
Everything about this stinks of bait.
>>79924203
It's always darkest before "Don". Don't lose hope Oregon.
>Implying ¡Yeb doesn't win in a face off against Bernie
>>79924240
>Georgia
>Blue
>Oregon
>Red
Christ Australia
>>79924322
POST YFW JEB SWEEPED THE MIDWEST!
>>79923940
Colorado is a 50/50 toss up. Their only poll Hillary +1 with a 4 moe and no sample population fuckery. I have a feeling it will be red this year based solely on the shy conservative principle. See my large previous post for Ohio and Penn
>>79924109
we're not getting that many Bernie supporters mate stop this meme
>>79924109
>Winning Vermont
Vermont is literally the Sweden of the US would be the last state to go red. Even if Hillary got charged with murder the day before the election they wouldnt vote for Trump
>>79924271
Nope, I stand by all of the states, we shouldn't just "give up", this is the reddest election in the past 8 years. For better or worse.
If we don't have each other's backs, who else will? All in faith.
>>79924451
Actually, the most liberal state is Hawaii
>>79917161
>PA native
Get the fuck out of my state.
>>79924481
No other state would elect and ex communist Bernie as their senator except vermont
>>79924205
>Young voters hate Hillary
>Minorities won't turn out for her
I said this before, taking things like this for granted is the easiest way to lose an election. You can't just assume before anyone has even voted that the conditions will favor your side.
Regarding HB2, polls suggest a wide majority of the state don't like the law, and Democrats don't need to go on about how it hurts LGBT people, they just need to stick to the talking point about how it's hurting the state's economy, making businesses leave and costing the state jobs. That will win over voters even if they aren't sympathetic to LGBT people. It doesn't matter that the national media has moved on either, you can bet that as November gets closer, they will bring it up again.
Trump's absolute best case scenario. This is with full GOP support and a massive happening leading to red pilling of the masses
This is Trump's target scenario. It's possible but it will be tough
>>79924747
> full GOP support
They have been fighting him just as much, if not more then Hillary
>>79924451
Vermont is too white and pro-gun to be the Sweden of the US despite being heavily blue.
This is what will likely happen
>>79924747
>maine cd2
>VA
>blue
>WI
>MN
>red
>>79924451
It CAN still happen and I believe that Bernie Sanders will ultimately support Donald Trump, as the only other person that dared to challenge globalism.
How exactly did this happen, in 1988?
People can "change" very quickly in response to unfavorable conditions and Trump has all the opportunity in the world now, to get a significant lead in often considered some of the most underestimated states.
>>79915774
Don't know until the real war starts.
>>79924969
sanders is a retard you actually expect him to go to trump?
>>79924969
>It CAN still happen and I believe that Bernie Sanders will ultimately support Donald Trump
This is Hillary's best case scenario. Trump would have to stop talking about his policies and descend into a blind rage
>inb4 he's already done that
>>79923617
Polls have been misleading several times in history, especially with "Shy Tory" instances as is obviously the case with Trump.
Look at Bush vs Dukakis in 1988. Or Dubya against Gore in 2000, at this point in time Dubya was leading by about 11 points, but it ended fluctuating and eventually they both got 48% of the votes. Really, when you have a lot of polls that still have them tied, and only a marginal lead for Clinton usually (with only a few outliers giving her a strong lead), it's all up in the air.
>>79924969
>It CAN still happen and I believe that Bernie Sanders will ultimately support Donald Trump, as the only other person that dared to challenge globalism.
Jesus Fucking Christ kid, put down the memes
Trump wins the electorate vote
Hillary wins the popular vote
>>79915774
Guess:
E-mails, illegal campaign funding, and trash will be leaked
She falls severely behind in polls
>>79925022
Yes, because the rest of his party has betrayed him, he should have never identified as a democrat. His best chance for retribution would be with Trump as cabinet member. While he is a socialist, he is also one of the few most notable people against the TTIP initiative and wants it shut down, just as much as the rest of us. Let's not waste that opportunity.
>>79924924
He's not winning VA, it's entire northern economy is based on establishment politics.
WI could be red with full GOP shilling, but that's not happening.
MN is pretty cucked but has the potential to flip if there are enough happenings that the media eventually fails to slide under the rug.
Again its the best case scenario, I'm willing to bet money WI and MN won't be red
>>79925191
>Chicago
>Baltimore
>>79925227
Honestly, the people who care about that sort of thing have already gone for Trump.
>>79925227
>Implying voters actually give a shit about her integrity rather than muh vagina/muh Trump said mean things.
>>79925096
There are no memes here, seriously. I'm unironically suggesting we have JUST as much chance of success as when Brexit was dared to succeed. It CAN be done against all odds. How do you think things have actually changed in the past 12 years? People decided to vote blue, because people put faith in other people to form their decision making. The same thing can happen in reverse, people can "see" that another system of government is flawed and change opinions. A registered democrat can still vote for Trump, I know a lot of people in Maine that are doing exactly that.
>>79925191
>IL
We hate trump so much we were the first ones to really start rioting at his speeches. He's gonna have to leave IL alone
>>79925360
This. The informed voters have been decided for months. They both need to move on and target the sheep
http://www.270towin.com/maps/5Lm8B
>>79919442
Please a president that puts America 1st!
and 2nd and 3rd
>>79919448
listen newfag. IM NOT FALLING FOR YOUR BAIT.
All I want to know is how much popcorn and bourbon to buy and best stream to watch election night.
>Fox was hilarious last time.
>>79925451
Chicago, while a massive challenge, may be susceptible to the voice of reason. Crime is at an all time high, so high there is an entire thread dedicated to police chatter on this board. Is it so hard to believe that people cannot relate to a man from New York City that has seen high crime rates, can say that he will see to the best interest of each city and rural town to resolve the problems of drug trafficking and violent crimes.
Any city can be reasoned with if a person is willing to vet significant interest in the well being of every creed. Suggesting that all ethnicities need reliable employment.
>>79925791
watch CNN or NBC for the off chance Trump wins. Fox isn't really fully on board with Trump and won't care if he loses.
>>79916375
>>79916045
>>79916960
That settles it
I'm a #HillShill now
>>79923127
the AG should be impeached
met with bill extra judicially
>>79925360
Actually, most people don't give a shit at all. They pick their candidates based on the little letter next to their name.
Parties are brands, and we internalize brands until they become part of our identity (think Sony/Xbox, Coke/Pepsi, PC/Mac). Our ego (sense of self) is critical to our survival, and people will do mental gymnastics to rationalize anything that challenges their sense of identity. Your brain will literally rewire itself to overcome any disruptions.
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/19/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty/
The very fact that Trump is breaking that is HUGE. I still expect most Republicans to vote for him, but candidates never lose loyalists and win. It just doesn't happen.
>>79925963
Crime is at an all time low across the nation. New York City hasn't been a hive of crime since the 1980s.
>>79925963
>Niggers listening to reason
>>79926057
Thanks, should be fun, not sure if it can top the recent Brit drama, but I can but hope.
>>79926313
>crime is at an all time low
I think he was talking about the recent homicide spike in major cities due to the "Ferguson Effect". It has largely died down outside of Chicago
>>79926478
Trump drama would put Brexit drama to shame. The US would have to mobilize the national guard to suppress riots in several major cities.
Friendly reminder any map with ME being totally blue is wrong.
He already has District 2 locked down. With enough hammering of Hillary the Bernouts in Portland will vote for him above projected 20% nationally. Or at least refuse out of principal or some shit. Had great success converting them so far and Trump isnt bringing out the big guns until after convention.
>>79920995
>election comes out as a tie, 269-269
>rumors of possible second vote a month later with another debate to assure voters
>only a handful know the truth
>authority figure steps up to a podium and overlooks the crowd, about to make an important announcement
>he doesnt even know what it is until he looks down at the paper sitting on the podium
>he reads the title "Announcement of Second Vote in Maine's Second Congressional District" firmly into the microphone
>crowd goes silent, patiently waiting for announcement
>reporters and tv crew shut the hell up
>he adjusts his glasses and clears his throat, knowing these next few words will determine the fate of the country
>he continues
>The spread of the votes for Maine's Second Congressional District was only 220 votes in favor of Democratic Presidential Nominee Hillary Clinton between voterbase of 327,213.
>Tonight we did a second vote for this district because of how close the results were.
>With this second vote, it was determined that of the thinned-out voterbase of merely 299,003, the spread had widened to 7,896 votes in favor of...
>he knows now who won
>he is silent for two seconds
>... Republican [reactions begin here] Presidential Nominee Donald Trump.
>crowd goes wild for solid 10 mins
>4chan servers combust
>mexicans start running back already
>libshits ODing on pills and hate
>tumblr implodes
>hillary clinton has a stroke
>bernie flees to communist china
>nate bronze demoted to nate brass
>reddit slightly happy
>
>the reactions are dying down
>the man can speak
>With this new widened vote in favor of Republican Presidential Nominee Donald Trump, Maine's Second Congressional District's Electoral College is to vote for
>With this information, Hillary Clinton has 268 total electoral votes and Donald Trump has 270 total electoral votes.
>270 electoral votes are required for a presidential victory.
>Therefore Republican Presidential Nominee Donald Trump is the nominee for President of the United States.
>>79927123
*to vote for him
>>79925335
MN went blue for Reagan.
>>79921151
I live in Colorado. Been up and down this state and know people from numerous demographics and I have not once seen a Hillary supporter. Not even a bumper sticker.
>>79916375
he wont win wisconsin, as much as I want him to. Everyone here is cucked.
>>79927441
Raleigh,NC is pretty full Sanders. There won't be much turnout for Clinton if more leaks keep coming.
>>79918863
please god let this happen please please please
>>79926352
Sure there are plenty of subpar black folk, but there are plenty more that don't want "free shit". It's not even entirely "Reason" it's just "Here is an opportunity to completely change your life and all you have to do is let me help you.".
>>79927074
Thank god at least one more person on this thread knows that this election is not predictable. "Blue" states don't live forever.
Treating the red voters of the blue states like shit, just weakens their hope, we need to stay strong for all of the states.
>>79927441
Cucked is a state of mind, just like 1988 was a state of "I'm unhappy with democrat decision making". We have the same shitty news networks as back then, coupled with a shitty online set of news networks. This is the SAME game, different playing field. Wisconsin is just as fair game as Oregon or any state.
>>79927672
I'm waiting on VPs but I think VT is a dark horse to flip. The Bern victims are rabid in NE and he was "from" VT. They're going to be so fucking angry by the time Nov rolls around they'll do anything but vote Hillary.
I was so pissed the refs robbed the Pats vs Denver I didn't watch the Owl. Same effect will be in play.
I am worried about WI and CO but no weed law vote + high Bernie people may be enough.
Gun rights will also be hige because at least Obama pretended to tollerate guns his first term, Hillary is fucking psycho Feinstien tier.
>>79928567
>The Bern victims are rabid in NE and he was "from" VT. They're going to be so fucking angry by the time Nov rolls around they'll do anything but vote Hillary.
You do know Bernie isn't the only politician from Vermont, right?
Patrick Leahy, Vermont's other Senator, for example, is the longest serving Democrat Senator in the country, and has been in office since 1975.
Democrat voters make up two-thirds of the state, they will not have any qualms voting for Hillary.
>>79928567
I think VT is one of those places that should not be underestimated at this point. Voter turnout can change really fucking fast when less than 1/3 of the state votes. Easily, 300,000 people could be encouraged to vote and Vermont could change the tides of the northeast.
>>79927123
i came
>>79918257
i live 15 min from pulse and pretty much everyone i know here became heavily pro gun after that event (but i guess the people i know might not be everyone)
>>79927074
He is only "ahead" in ME-2 by a single point, that is hardly "locked down" especially this far out from election day.
58% of Maine voters disprove of LePage, and given that he is basically Trump-lite that ought to mirror how they feel about the real deal.
>>79917161
25 dollars has been deposited in your $hillary bank account :^)
>>79915774
I predict the world being amazed by 'merca's ability to choose another fucktard to tell it what to do
>>79915774
My best guess.
Clinton 46
Trump 39
Johnson 15
