Is anyone else sick and tired of both SJW and /pol/?
SJW's can't help but shit on white straight males to explain everything that's wrong in the world and then they act like they're fucking rebels for saying shit we learn in school.
And then /pol/ just can't help but shit on everybody who's not white straight and male to explain everything wrong in this world.
And yes, I'm a shill being paid by Israel to disrupt your "traditionalist revolution" and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling detectives. Sigh........
>>79750638
If you don't like it you are free to leave and sever any political ties you may have. No one is forcing you to indulge in the discussions of either /pol/ or the SJWs. By the way, the happenings of the word and the social climate is a lot more complex than white-male guilting. I suggest you lurk more and I hope that you will come to the realization that racial, cultural, and economic tensions are growing; this trend, regardless of where you stand, will surely bring more misery and alienation to the future generations.
eat shit,spic
>>79750638
i'm just here for the anime threads desu. there's only so many germany YES threads you can take before you snap.
>>79750638
>>79750638
I have a big problem with non-sensical through the baby out with the bath water kind of racism, and I have found that element hard to digest in /pol/ but at the end of the day if there were "teams" to this whole "culture war" you bet you're fucking ass I'm on this team, I'm sick of sjw's but the only thing I'm sick of on /pol/ is FUCK ALL NIGGERS stormfaggory, but I do feel the "extremist" of our "team" have a lot less sway and control than the "extremists" on the other team
>>79752330
throw*
>>79751996
>anyone that disagrees with me is an sjw!!!1!
kys faggot
Those aren't klan uniforms, those are Scandinavian holiday outfits.
So many people on /pol/ have adopted the very same petty tactics that they claimed to hate within their opposition. I don't even know where to go anymore.
>>79750638
>Is anyone else sick and tired of both SJW and /pol/?
>le "both sides are bad" fallacy
I love this shitpasta.
Right up there with "well Islam has problems, but the crusades happened so both religions are equally bad".
>>79752394
three words: demoralization and generalization.
SJW's are a hivemind. /pol/ argues with itself constantly on every petty issue.
>>79750638
Yeah, SJWs are wrong and /pol/ is right.
Fuck outta here João
Pathetic....
I'm a shill, I'm a SJW...
Yet no one says anything substantial.
It's all shit. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is the rational side and the other side is the emotional side, I'm sick of this.
>>79754474
Don't be a pussy...
Sure, there are retards everywhere, good luck finding somewhere free of them... But you should join the side that benefits you the most and also has the least amount of retards...
>>79754474
>Yet no one says anything substantial.
t. someone who hasn't said anything substantial
>>79754474
Sorry man, that's just how they are here. literally threw facts out into the open and these faggots chimped the fuck out.
>>79754474
then stop whining and leave. christ, it isn't hard. there's nothing substantial in your post to respond to. "gee guys, i don't like extremes" ok, congratulations, you're like most people. nothing to discuss.
>>79754474
t. Tyrone bin-Walid Goldstein
>>79752755
You are a shill being paid by Israelis, aren't you?
I hate both but the mainstream hates only /pol/ which makes me defend right wingers more often than lefties
>>79750638
I'm tired of /pol/ but I love the memes. So I go to /pol/ for the memes and news and if I want to listen to intelligent people I find individual intelligent people to watch on youtube. Or I read. I recommend that people do these things because there are not a lot of intelligent people on this site, maybe above average but it is still garbage.
>>79754474
You're an idiot. Of course your side calls the other side emotional idiots. Your job is to look at the statistics on an issue yourself and find the truth about it. You have to think for yourself.
>>79754474
What are you upset about? People clamoring for political violence to facilitate revolution? People espousing racial-separatist or racial-supremacist views? What is hurting your fragile composition so much?
How about this?
Anyone participating in a minor-moderate violation of the non-aggression principle is to be sentenced to forced labour repairing and maintaining key/damaged infrastructure, most notably transportation infrastructure. Violations resulting in this include simple assault/battery, petty theft, etc.
Heinous violations such as grand theft, murder, violent rape, large-scale fraud, and especially corrupt allocation of public funds will result in public hanging and gibbeting.
Of course, these penalties would be applied across all individuals in the nation.
How do you feel about that shit, Mister Moderate?
Seriously, how about you provide something worth discussion? All you've done is facilitate a group/collective whine that this board ain't what you want it to be.
Give us a policy you'd like to see implemented in your nation, or any nation. Give us one you'd like to see repealed or revised.
Or just keep whining, lad.
>>79750638
>Is anyone else tired of malaria AND the antibiotics used to fight malaria?
>>79750638
Like those "redpill" faggots who are unironically promoting the NWO agenda
Who is this kkkutie?
>>79752771
>the only two sides are retarded college girls and internet shitposters
wew
>>79756125
>50 shekels were deposited in you bank account
Shill!
Jew!
SJW!
>>79750638
yes shlomo
>>79752330
This. The left seems to be lead by radicals, but extremists on the right tend to be ignored.
>>79756271
Suck my cut cock goyim, we run the world.
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>>79754474
I'm the actually rational side. Guns aren't bad. Drugs aren't bad. It's the people who suck! And guess what the people who suck the hardest look like? They ain't white middle class people who have an intact family.
Taxes are robbery, but some of it is justifiable robbery if it serves the public good. Also, government should keep its dirty hands out of economy unless necessary.
Immigration sucks, in the way it's practiced today. I don't think almost anyone has a problem with immigration of smart, educated people, but the current policy of letting almost anyone in is pure idiocy.
Higher education now has lower standards than it has had for centuries. It's all done for profit now, so don't expect a lot of actual science to come from it, especially when it comes to meme tier majors like womens' studies(or the majority of liberal arts degrees).
Politics are increasingly dependent on celebrity status. We have had several representatives in Finland who have no other qualification than being a musician or a reality TV celebrity. Celebrity status will be enough to get elected soon. This is going to increase worldwide, and Donald Trump WILL be president because of it.
>>79750638
can anyone tell me who this qt3.14 is? for science.
>>79750638
>>79755986
Not kidding, who is this?
>>79750638
This is why moderate candidates usually win elections.
>>79751877
nice post achmed
>>79758712
OP here. I agree with EVERYTHING you say.
But try being a pro-drugs, pro-prostitution, pro-guns, pro-private propriety, pro-homosexual, pro-trans, pro-smart immigration anti-white guilt kind of guy.
(((Sigh)))
Please consider suicide OP
>>79759241
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017426/Children-brotherhood-Hooded-youngsters-join-parents-Easter-processions-Spain-got-KKK.html
>dailygay
>>79750638
Kind of, pol was good for initial pill, but now I need to move up.
>>79759994
Sometimes there's a smart middle-way policy no side agrees with. Sometimes you get called an idiot by both sides for agreeing with it.
And sometimes you have to agree with the "extreme" policy because it's the right one. And then you get called a lunatic.
>>79754867
>"literally threw facts"
I don't think you know what any of these words mean...
>>79751996
>Hurr durr theres already a strawman comic for your argument
>Nice try pal.
>>79750638
>Is anyone else sick and tired of both SJW and /pol/?
Me.
But both sides are harmful to me even though they claim they're not, and the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not a safe principle to live by.
>>79752524
It's capirote. Hats for Holy Week in Spain.
>>79750638
You know that this girl is not wearing a kkk costume, and i most likely spanish?
>>79750638
Joao those kids are Penitentes ("Repentants") not Ku Klux...
This is /pol:
>be betafag
>no social skills
>zero self confidence
>self loathing (inner anger)
>ironically doesn't vote
>secretly hates his own culture
>doesn't join the army
>not active politically on a local level
---> Joos are why I'm shit at life.
---> Muh "white" women don't like me because they were brainwashed by Joos.
---> ProTip: Women will never be attracted to betafags. Women are attracted to Alpha males, Blacks, Muslims, Jews, Asians, Whites.. But those who don't spend their whole life on an image board shitposting and but out there and be ALPHA as fuck.
I swear, /pol is literally worse than reddit these days.
>>79750638
I agree anon.
Both sides need to fuck off.
>SJWs
>"You're a straight white male? I don't care about the content of your character or personal achievements, you're still a shitlord because of attributes you had no control over!"
>/pol/
>"You aren't a straight white male? I don't care about the content of your character or personal achievements, you're still a degenerate because of attributes you had no control over!"
>ITT all bluepilled people that think /pol/ is about white supremacy
>>79758712
>Celebrity status will be enough to get elected soon
This. But its more, they are going to become the new aristocracy. You think Trumps son is going to disappear into obscurity after this election? No, him and others like him, the children of greater father's will remain famous throughout our lives, they will have wealth, power, land, status.
All the while, we little people will watch them on TV, read about their lives in gossip magazines, and wish we were them.
We have come full circle. The failure of democracy is that it leads us back into oligarchy.
>>79764295
cuck canucks completely misinterpreting /pol/ as usual. youre almost as dense as OP
>the leaf really is behind it all
>>79750638
Yes, there are people in all camps that are stupid and I think the majority of SJWs and /pol/tards are stupid but well-intentioned. I still come here though because, occasionally, I find information that I wouldn't have found elsewhere (and I'm not talking about some random idiot posting made up shit). For example, most of the stuff that I see on Hillary I've found either here or on the pro-Sanders reddit pages. Much of it is reliable info that is rarely, if ever, broadcast by the MSM.
>>79750638
I feel with you OP, a lot of people on /pol/ are basically SJWs from a different political spectrum. That said, I still prefer this place over SJW spaces because you can still find sane people here from time to time. SJWs simply ban you once you disagree with their hivemind.
Blame Trumpfags desu.
I like Trump and I agree with his politics about Mexico but his fans are fucking unbearable. They can't make a proper argument without calling people shills or acting like kids covering their ears while screaming "SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL", they have made this place into a safe space.
>>79759994
>pro-trans
ok no wonder youre making this thread, youre just as blue pilled as i thought
>>79750638
you're not white lmao
>>79750638
Of people here do not have sound arguments, then point them out. Lots of the stormfags rely on strawman arguments.
>>79765034
>ok no wonder youre making this thread, youre just as blue pilled as i thought
This is an example of the exact same tactic that SJWs use but used by /pol/. I realize you think it's excusable because you're right and they're wrong but realize that they think the same thing (they're right and you're wrong). Someone thinking that trans people deserve to live happy lives rules out rational discourse no more than someone being a white man. Stop focusing on the quickest path to ignoring opposing views and start focusing on how to rationally navigate those differences.
>>79765432
Im not ignoring an opposing view, im dismissing it as retarded, because anybody who thinks that their gender delusions are rational is an idiot to begin with, you cuck
>>79765593
>anybody who thinks that their gender delusions are rational is an idiot to begin with, you cuck
Reinforcing my point against your position. You rule out from the start the possibility of having a rational discussion just like, assuming you're a white man, SJWs will rule out from the start the possibility of having a rational discussion with you. It's your and the SJWs' mutual unwillingness for rational discourse that makes both of you the retarded ones, not the people from far left to far right who will actually have discussions about opposing views. You have more in common with SJWs than you realize.
>>79766024
Tell me how being a white man is anything at all relative to being transgender. Honestly, bring up a discussion WORTH discussing, because there is at least a basis for why people think being white ISNT a bad thing (ie why would it be). Meanwhile there is absolutely no factual basis for a person who was born male to say to themselves *Im female because I feel like it on the inside*
Im willing to have a rational discussion, but there has to be a rational basis for that discussion. Otherwise its just a circlejerk of numoral people thinking that muh opinion is fact.
>>79766024
Also, identifying completely idiotic AS idiotic doesnt make me dense like an SJW, my bluepilled friend
>>79766320
The point I'm making has nothing to do with whether or not trans people or white men do or don't deserve to be ridiculed/taken seriously. The point is one about the nature of your engagement with opposing views. If someone has an incorrect view and is willing to discuss that view, wouldn't you be doing that person and yourself (given that you live in the same world as that person) a favor by leading them to the correct view? You close off that possibility, doing humanity and yourself a disservice, when you refuse to engage in rational conversation. So, again, my point wasn't to argue one way or the other about trans issues, my point was that you and SJWs have a lot in common in that you're dangerously certain of your own beliefs to the point that you can't be bothered anymore to think or engage in discussion with people who believe things you don't believe.
>>79763271
I know. It's a bait name.
Can you imagine some basketball-american walking down the street to see this?
>>79766024
Anon, you should probably stay on Reddit if you exclusively want "civil discourse" and "le horseshoe theory everyone is stupid except me" without being called a faggot. There's a reason why a lot of people immediately dismiss a lot of positions out of hand, and it's usually as a defense mechanism against concern trolling and consensus-cracking. People make the same threads every day, not to argue in good faith but to push a narrative on the board. After arguing the same thing in the same sort of thread a thousand times, people start being dismissive.
You're free to say whatever you want in any thread, and hope for a good argument to come up, but expecting everyone to indulge every redditor and anyone who comes here unwanted is unrealistic.
>>79766863
I can engage in a discussion when one is proposed, but none has been proposed in this whole thread aside from:
>both sides are bad
>why is /pol/ so intolerant
If anyone is going to make these sorts of threads, they should ask REAL questions, not make baseless moderate claims. In order for a discussion to occur, one has to begin in the first place. I saw a stupid thread and called it stupid, which admittedly is childish in its own sense, but Im sure you understand what I mean.
>>79767157
I know. Also, reddit isn't exactly a great place for civil discourse either. I still like to try here because from time to time it does actually work.
>>79767165
>I can engage in a discussion when one is proposed, but none has been proposed in this whole thread aside from:
I would say that what I'm doing right now is not just a proposal but a, so far, one-sided attempt at rational discussion regarding whether or not ruling out the possibility of rational discussion on the basis of a particular belief someone holds is a good or bad thing. I think it's a bad thing. Your replies imply that you think it's a bad thing only when it's done by people you don't like. Is that accurate? If not, what is it you really believe? If so, why do you think your self-certainty shouldn't require the same limitations that you'd like to see imposed on the self-certainty of others?
>>79764205
The thing that happened with me is I started giving more value to being brave and willing to put yourself out there and speak your beliefs than "speaking the truth" on the internet.
All these excuses these guys use are just excuses, although I kinda get the guys who come from UK, Sweden, etc. It really takes balls.
I think it's because I'm not getting older. I'm not interested in being politically correct, I'm interested in being correct. This idea that "truth" is necessarily something hidden that "they don't want you to know" is getting ridiculous, the more you look at it and get life experience.
>not active politically on a local level
I think you hit the nail. I'm politically active for two years now. I talk with lots of people from the right and the left. But talking to people made me realize that /pol/ is solipsistic at times.
I find lots of coward and selfish rat-faced hypocrites on the right and lots of strong and patriotic family men on the left. But that's my country, I don't know.
When you're bantering about the potential problems of Islamic refugees and everyone's calling you a racist and a black Sufi muslim is the only one agreeing with you and starts giving examples of how HIS family was persecuted by other muslims, you start questioning shit.
>>79767808
I would say that what I'm doing right now is not just a proposal but a, so far, one-sided attempt at rational discussion regarding whether or not ruling out the possibility of rational discussion on the basis of a particular belief someone holds is a good or bad thing. I think it's a bad thing. Your replies imply that you think it's a bad thing only when it's done by people you don't like. Is that accurate? If not, what is it you really believe? If so, why do you think your self-certainty shouldn't require the same limitations that you'd like to see imposed on the self-certainty of others?
>>79768191
>I think it's a bad thing.
So then we agree. In that case, when someone expresses support for an issue you are against, doesn't it follow that you should provide evidence in favor of your view and in opposition to others as opposed to dismissing the possibility of rational discourse, which we've both now agreed is a bad thing?
>>79764476
>"You're a Canadian? I don't care about the content of your character or personal achievements, you're still a degenerate because of attributes you had no control over!"
Just proving his point.
>>79751996
/thread
>>79768597
Youre honestly so bad at this it hurts, plebbit kiddo.
When I saw this thread baselessly calling /pol/ stupid, I said, wow this guy is stupid. He even has a stupid opinion. And Im entirely allowed to say that (which you apparently hate :) )
When you get all upset saying Im against discussion, when I made no such claims, its such a strange straw man effect I cant believe it. I almost think youre not even reading my responses to you at times. In short, heres how our conversation has gone back and forth:
>wow this thread is dumb
>youre all dumb
>ok why
>because youre not open to discussion
>yeah i am. what did you want to discuss
>lets discuss your unwillingness to discuss things
please stop its just going in circles you pained excuse for a hater debater nay sayer figure skater
>>79768734
The cuck canuck thing is a meme you dip, absolutely a joke. Only a canadian would take that post seriously
>>79765034
>ok no wonder youre making this thread about black crime statistics and race being the most reliable predictor of SAT scores, youre just as racist as i thought
This is what you sound like.
Except you're right, and they're wrong.
And although most of us realize this is a joke, this is how you think. This is how you actually think.
>"I'm right. Everybody else is wrong. I am red pilled. Everyone else is blue pilled. I am intelligent. I am a deep thinker. Not like the others. I think for myself. Not like those blue pilled sheep."
>>79769228
why are leftists shoop always so fucking terrible?
>>79769256
When did I say anything about race.. What on earth. You must have come straight from tumblr with these incredibly fallacious argument tactics
>>79767990
>a black Sufi muslim is the only one agreeing with you and starts giving examples of how HIS family was persecuted by other muslims, you start questioning shit.
If it takes an experience like that for you to realize that not every Muslim agrees with people getting slaughtered and raped, you probably shouldn't be politically active in the first place because you're a fucking idiot Go home.
>>79769256
>>79768734
Why do you keep replying to random posts that you ignored an hour ago?
>>79750638
>shit on everybody who's not white straight and male
first days are hard, you'll make it OP
>>79768974
>And Im entirely allowed to say that (which you apparently hate :) )
You are allowed to say that and I don't hate it, I think it's harmful to everyone involved.
>when I made no such claims
>>79765593
>im dismissing it as retarded
My point all along has been that it's better to engage than to dismiss. If you're now saying you're willing to engage, great! If I've misunderstood you, my apologies.
So, what makes you anti-trans or, at least, not pro-trans?
>>79769534
Quoting me, when youre trying to say that I said something that I didnt, defeats your own purpose
>When did I say I was against discussion
>L-Look you called him stupid here
>.. Ok yeah and what about that says Im against discussion
Who hurt you
>>79750638
The better question is why does the center think they are the correct choice just because they are the center?
your only argument is LOOK AT THOSE WEIRDOS OVER THERE i'm better then them
its bullshit
centrism is dead because the center is liberalism
identity is the new politics and protesting is the only avenue the average person has to politics
read this
http://scholars-stage
.blogspot
.com/2015/09/honor-dignity-victimhood-and-death-of.html
>>79769716
What's evidence that you said something if a direct quote isn't? Again, even if I've misunderstood you, it wasn't intentional and if you're willing to have the rational discussion you say you're willing to have, what is it that you think is retarded about being pro trans?
>>79769534
>I think it's harmful to everyone involved.
>BBAAAWWWW SOMEONE CALLED ME STUPID ON 4CHAN I THINK IT'S REALLY HARMFUL AND TOXIC
>>>/reddit/
>>79766863
It all comes down to the "I'm right, they're wrong" paradigm.
He can't put himself in the shoes of others. He dehumanizes trans people because it's easier than dealing with a complex issue.
>degenerate?
>exterminate!
This is how he thinks. In slogans. Much like the SJWs.
SJW:
>"Hate speech not free speech. Period."
>"Colonialism was bad. Period."
/pol/:
>"Trans are mentally ill and should be put down. Period."
>"Libertarians are coward middle-fencers. Period."
The difference is... You guessed it... We're right. They're wrong.
>>79769904
>A direct quote
Look anon you said you hate black people in this post here >>79769534
its a direct quote so its evidence even though you didnt actually say that sheeeeit
>>79769993
See: >>79751996
There is no "/pol/" guild anon, anyone who posts here can feel whatever they want about trannies or libertarians because anyone can post here.
>>79769993
I never said anyone should be put down, I am very pacifist. What is it with plebbit newcomers and their only argument being to entirely misinterpret opposing posts
>>79769414
You know damn well why I gave that example, you piece of shit. Go pretend to be a retard somewhere else.
>Why do you keep replying to random posts that you ignored an hour ago?
You mad?
>>79770236
Strawmen and middle-ground fallacies are the only ways redditors and shills can argue here it seems.
I tend to agree but this is the nature of (public) imageboards and a result of some of us getting older and being here for too long. The quality of discussion has sharply dropped and intelligent posts are few and far inbetween, I think people have inhaled too much meme smoke and now it's the only thing they can spew. You have to learn to navigate and understand the kind of people you're dealing with (4chan is mostly 20 year old neets and college students).
I myself am an oxymoron for /pol/ because I:
- am not racist and don't care about a person's skin colour
- am indifferent to lgbt people, they never hurt anyone they just tend to force their shit a bit too much
- am xenophobic, don't want anyone who isn't a native in my country regardless of their race, especially in large numbers
- patriotic
- traditionalist bordering on monarchist
- don't think all mudshits or juice are out to get the white man
- hate commies with a passion
- am a weaaboo
etc.
>>79769970
No, calling someone stupid isn't necessarily harmful (at least not enough for me to care) but being unwilling to engage in rational discussion is harmful.
>>79770048
Are you just trolling now? I provided a link and the quote in the post where you said you dismissed the other anon's view as retarded. Here it is again: >>79765593
If you don't want to hover your mouse over the link, here's the full quote: Im not ignoring an opposing view, im dismissing it as retarded, because anybody who thinks that their gender delusions are rational is an idiot to begin with, you cuck
You posted this in response to me accusing you of being unwilling to engage in rational discussion and your response reinforced that to my mind. So, for the third time, if I've misunderstood you as you seem to think, why not have the rational discussion you say you're willing to have? Why is being pro trans retarded?
>>79769993
oh god not this shit
this guy already put it better than anyone else >>79752330
yes when you are defending your team you have to be irrational because the other side will be irrational too
your old way liberalism is outmoded when identities are seeking emancipation from the social constructs that are imposed by them. you have to pick a side and stick with it through good or bad. i don't think this "let's be rational and objective" shit is going to ever work out
>>79750638
I know what you mean
Being caught between SJWs and red pill shit is infuriating. Why is there no middle ground? I don't feel like I can relate to anyone, I care for nobody but my family.
>>79769993
Oh and also, this whole *both sides are just as bad because they think theyre right* business is completely idiotic. Say you take one side that actually IS correct. And they know it. And the other side, while wrong, thinks that THEYRE correct, even though they arent. Its going to look the exact same to an outsider, middle fencer with no opinion of their own.
I say the sky is blue
Another says it is red
I say Im right
He says hes right
You say were both wrong for each thinking were right.
>>79770415
Dismissing something as retarded is NOT the same as saying Im never down for a discussion you fucking mongoloid, get it through your thick skull. When I said dismiss, I meant it as in *well thats a pretty shitty opinion*
I never once said I wouldnt discuss it you fetid cunt. Please give up, Im through trying to explain the obvious to you
>>79769402
Anon, I....
Are you really this retarded that you can't even understand a simple analogy?
>>79770743
>A simple analogy
>Calling everyone on /pol/ a racist, including myself
pick one
>>79750638
Uh, we shit on straight white males as well. Look at Canada and the excessive use of "cuck"
>>79770721
>I never once said I wouldnt discuss it you fetid cunt.
For the fourth time, if I've misunderstood you, have the conversation you say you're willing to have. Why do you think it's retarded to be pro trans?
>>79769993
> a complex issue.
It's not a complex issue
It's all you liberals are fucking mentally ill
>>79770910
Go make a thread about it if you want to discuss it. If there's a potential for discussion, people will talk about it.
>>79751356
>By the way, the happenings of the word and the social climate is a lot more complex than white-male guilting
This isn't a useful statement. Obviously, the social climate doesn't consist exclusively of white-male guilting, but white-male guilting is indeed the status quo. Your sentence seems to imply that some other demographic is subject to the same level of shaming, systemic discrimination, demonization, and achievement-erasure as white boys and men.
At least within the western media, and within the largest, most influential western companies (e.g. Apple, Google, Facebook, Exxon, etc.), anti-white-maleness is the status quo, and it's the single most defining trait of our current climate.
OP, this post is public record of you suppressing your beliefs. Don't be ashamed of them; stop putting on a front.
>>79767808
>>79768191
>>79768597
Did you just seriously respond to a pasta of your own post?
>>79770910
>For the fourth time
Oh puh-lease dude Im beginning to just think you cant read, because I even said this before this whole retarded circle began. If you want, I can ELABORATE (big word watch out) on the point I ALREADY made about why being born a male (identified by genitalia) and thinking that youre a female even though you have those male genitalia is delusional. Do you really NEED me to go into detail about why thats stupid, and if so, while I can link you to very convincing videos with evidence and citations, I think having to spell it out to someone this blue-pilled on my own may be another feat in its entirety
>>79750638
>>79771048
>If there's a potential for discussion, people will talk about it.
According to the anon I've been talking to, there's potential to discuss it right here and it's relevant because he believes that it's wrong to equate SJWs and /pol/tards since SJWs are wrong and /pol/tards (or at least some of them) are right about a variety of issues, including trans issues.
>>79771237
>being born a male (identified by genitalia) and thinking that youre a female even though you have those male genitalia is delusional.
Okay, thank you. Let's agree it's delusional, what do you think that should entail regarding public policy and/or how we interact with trans people?
>>79750638
the reality of socio-politics--or all ideologies, really--is that it's all about pragmatism. nationalism may work in a certain place, and at a certain time, whereas communism may work in another. socialism, anarchism, fascism, democracy, autocracy, libertarianism, republicans, democrats, etc etc etc... it's all semantics. a rational person sees what works and utilizes ideas that are particularly effective at particular times to lead a society into prosperity and happiness.
look, I feel you. I have nationalist inclinations (I don't want to see thousands of years of European history and culture thrown out by Zionists and feminists), but I also don't support a totalitarian or authoritarian government.
Labels are too broad or specific to capture the reality and complexities of human interactions.
I myself follow whatever I think works. I like Evola's traditionalism, as well as national-anarchism and the New Right. but I also admire Emerson and many of the classical anarchists, and especially the Stoicism of Marcus Aurelius.
Don't let yourself be pigeonholed OP. And don't be afraid to have your own philosophy;.
>>79750638
>Sigh.....
Hi Hillary what are you doing in Portugal?
>>79771390
What public policy lol, its a delusion. Treat it as any other mental illness, get them psychological help. Treat them as fellow humans just the same, but get them help for their body dysphoria (the exact illness in question)
Regarding any further public policies, I dont think that media and medicine should cater to further enabling this illness. You dont see Schizophrenics being paraded on television and to children as something to feel special and proud of. They get treatment like any other sick person. Also, any benefits the government can think of to further encourage their lifestyle is asinine. Theyre not a minority, its a lifestyle. One we shouldnt have to pander to or spend money supporting, let alone being told were bigots for disagreeing with.
>>79770428
>"when you are defending your team you have to be irrational because the other side will be irrational too"
- Anon, (July 5, 2016)
You're some kind of deep thinker, aren't you?
Damn... I never thought about it that way.
It's so obvious now. How could I've been so blind?
Thanks, anon. I shall shit on intellectual dishonesty and personal integrity because, come on, these dishonest dirtbags are doing it too.
>>79750638
SJWs are far worse
>>79771708
>What public policy lol
Public policy regarding trans people is what I'm referring to. This would include legislation regarding hate crimes, bathroom laws, military policy, etc.
>Treat it as any other mental illness, get them psychological help. Treat them as fellow humans just the same, but get them help for their body dysphoria (the exact illness in question)
Agreed. Do you think that psychologists and other medical professionals are the best position to know how to do this or do you think there are other, better qualified people? If you think it's the psychologists and medical professionals who are best qualified, what would your reaction be if the overwhelming majority of them suggested that, in many cases, surgery and/or other ways of living out the delusion is the only and/or best way for trans people to live happy lives?
>>79770857
Ok, you just confirmed you're a retard. Congratulations.
Here's what you said:
>pro-trans
>ok no wonder youre making this thread, youre just as blue pilled as i thought
Here's what I replied:
>ok no wonder youre making this thread about black crime statistics and race being the most reliable predictor of SAT scores, youre just as racist as i thought
Any mildly intelligent person would understand the point I'm trying to convey. But not you, you are a literal thinker.
See how you and the other guy are still "arguing" about trans when that wasn't even the main point?
You're laughable.
>>79771757
And what happens when you stick to your dumbass principles? Just look at the GOP. These people put so much time and effort into defending a piece of paper and throw even their own constituency out the window when they act a little too passionate and galvanized for their high-brow tastes.
>muh integrity
>muh constitution
>muh principles
Conservatives are supposed to conserve culture but they don't want to fight fire with fire because THEN WE ARE JUST LIKE THE LIBERAL WAHH. And what happens in the end? You get these freaks and weirdos that no conservative culture can serve or pander to. They lost because they can't step away from their made up principles. Identitarians and racists are willing to die for their cause. If you can't empathize with the humanness of this I don't know what to do with you. You are a GOP cuckservative crying about his piece of paper.
>>79769402
>>79770857
See, this is an example of one of the worst things about /pol/, and internet discussions in general: it's sometimes impossible to tell when you're arguing with someone who is genuinely unintelligent.
This guy cannot recognize an analogy even after it has been pointed out to him. If this were an IRL discussion, this guy being a dumbass would have been clear from the start. Since communication is strictly done via short paragraphs of text, you just can't tell.
>tfw when most of /pol/ claims I'm not white when I have blue eyes, blond hair, white skin, live in the cold due
>mfw if they saw me in person, they would never be able to tell
It's just shitposting. No need to get upset.
>>79771121
>Everyone who doesn't downright agree with him is either a shill, ignorant or, in this case, just pretending
I don't know how you manage to live with yourself.
>>79772810
It's not good to dismiss these people though. They're well-intentioned. In some cases nothing works but if you calmly and maturely have a conversation most people will eventually stop being so certain that they're correct, even if they don't change their views.
>>79751996
/thread
>>79772647
>And what happens when you stick to your dumbass principles?
Countries like America are born.
>Conservatives are supposed to conserve culture but they don't want to fight fire with fire
Try water.
>Identitarians and racists are willing to die for their cause. If you can't empathize with the humanness of this I don't know what to do with you.
What about the communists and anarchists that died for their cause? Are they less human than you because they fought against your principles?
>You are a GOP cuckservative crying about his piece of paper.
I'm not even American, you retard.
>>79771390
>Okay, thank you. Let's agree it's delusional, what do you think that should entail regarding public policy and/or how we interact with trans people?
Not that guy, but I think people should absolutely prove that they need the treatment to be able to do it. A lot of failed or confused males like Chris-Chan just take the easy way out because they think the grass is greener on other side. That's not "gender dysphoria", that's just hoping to get female privileges because you never learned to function in society. Chipping away at the role of males in society, who have been responsible for the growth and success of most civilizations, by letting them become female instantly and with no cost will just lead to a weak society that will eventually get colonized by stronger societies. It also causes a lot of problems where you get people who were born as males voting, and speaking in the name of women even though they're actually males.
Also people shouldn't be expected to fund these sorts of treatment via tax dollars, they shouldn't be criminalized for "misgendering" people, any "hate crime" toward them should be treated the same way any crime against any other demographic is treated, etc. And they shouldn't be pushed in all sorts of media all the time just for the sake of it with no end in sight. They shouldn't expect special treatment or privileges (affirmative action, protection from anything that offends them, etc.). They also shouldn't expect every institution to cater to their will. Then you get stupidity like my country wanting to make driving licenses and national anthem gender-neutral. They should be allowed to transition during their adulthood if there's absolutely no better solution, but nothing more than that, normalizing it for everyone will just ruin lives and harm society.
You should make a thread about it instead of hijacking useless threads like this one.
>>79773757
>Try water.
>I'm not even American, you retard.
top fucking kek for a guy talking about other people not understanding analogies
>What about the communists and anarchists that died for their cause? Are they less human than you because they fought against your principles?
Why don't you start an integrity and principles party and see how far that gets you.
Your thread is gay and typical to be honest. conflating banter and whatever you perceive as serious discussion. Ironic that you are the opposite side of the people you seem to hate. (people that call others shills for no reason but they disagree with you). It's just that you can't separate banter and serious posts.
>>79771030
>It's not a complex issue because I already made my mind on this subject!!!!
This is what you sound like.
All those psychiatrists, academics, therapists, all those conferences, those books, those debates... Fuck 'em! All a bunch of jewish puppets. Unless they agree with you. In which case they're brave pioneers of sanity and moral values.
Leftists protest an anti-trans speaker? MUH FREE SPEECH! MUH RIGHTS! MUH CONSTITUTION!
Trans speaker gets banned from speaking? LOL TRANNIES MAD! KIKES MAD!! FUCK 'EM! xDD
>>79774529
>again randomly bumping the thread by replying to a post that was made an hour ago.
Concern shill pls go.
>>79774529
You are literally just unloading your retarded grievances you have with the banter of the board like a histrionic fag. It just doesn't get any more passive aggressive than this.
>>79774845
he is right, get over yourself. this board is /r9k/ lite
>>79772483
Nonono poor anon, I think youre sorely misguided. Your poor attempts at analogies wont get any upvotes here ;}
>>79750638
Nice filename, Seunhõao Barbossa
>>79774413
Was you calling me a GOP cuckservative an analogy?
And it's obvious what I meant with "try water". You're a retard if you don't know what it means. Instead of using their tactics against them, stick to your principles.
>hurr durrr it's dog-eat-dog world out there, people like you are naive and gets rekt in real life because it's a jungle out there, everyone's out to get one another and it's just terrible how the average person is, so greedy, so degenerate....
Yeah... I would suggest you live the house once in a while.
>Why don't you start an integrity and principles party and see how far that gets you.
Was that supposed to be witty? Or mean anything..?
>It's just that you can't separate banter and serious posts.
But you can. Because you're more perceptive than the rest of us who came from reddit 3 days ago. You're not like the others. You can see through the charade. Not like us, who are gullible and believe anything we read online. You're like... above the rest of us. If only we could be like you....
>>79775139
Fuck off shill. This guy is literally: >>79751996
Appeal to moderation and strawmen is literally all you faggots can do. Don't come here if you don't like this board.
>>79775520
>>79775520
this guy gets it
>but that stupid thing i said was only an analogy, so even if my argument didnt make sense its a good one because muh straw man
>>79769228
So we can all agree that while the jews arent amazing 6 gorillion did die and white males should pay for it by importing shitskins right?
>>79750638
except /pol/ wants everyone to be with their own kind and thats it. youre a faggot and a liberal.
>>79750638
>SJW
where are these magical SJW boogeymen you bitch about? Have you ever met a SJW IRL? You bump into them at the fucking store? As far as I can tell, they are so insignificant, you wouldn't even know about them unless you sought them out. Meanwhile, /pol/lacks are around every corner trying to be edgy for the sake of edge, whining about MUHH SJW.
I'd holocaust all /pol/lacks if I had a chance. Fucking Beta scum.
>>79775453
>Was you calling me a GOP cuckservative an analogy?
>Instead of using their tactics against them, stick to your principles.
Exactly this. This is just a typical losing conservative talking point. DURR HURR JUST STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES MAN DON'T BE LIKE THEM
For almost 10 years these people have been telling us this and where has it got us? Being an asshole racist, fascist has done more to subdue the leftist onslaught than crying about your principles. It's essentially the Trump effect. Fight fire with fire is how you win.
>hurr durrr it's dog-eat-dog world out there, people like you are naive and gets rekt in real life because it's a jungle out there, everyone's out to get one another and it's just terrible how the average person is, so greedy, so degenerate....
I suggest you read this. What I first posted.
http://scholars-stage
.blogspot
.com/2015/09/honor-dignity-victimhood-and-death-of.html
It really explains our modern political culture. You are being a passive aggressive fag but it is still somewhat correct that people are more balkanized and irrationally defensive than ever. I don't know why people like you behave the way you do though. You see anger and energy yet you don't think you can turn that energy into something positive. Its like the UK labour party and Corbyn refusing to use that working class rage and at least attempting to channel into something good. Instead they are getting a new feministy approach getting all those young feminists into politics instead of attempting to appeal to the working classes that voted Brexit. Same thing with cuckservatives that see this massive class of enraged white people and instead of courting them they would rather throw them under the bus.
Its not even a failure because they refuse to try.
>>79776132
I see SJW things on the media shoved down everyones throats all day. You never see /pol/ propaganda outside of /pol/ and maybe a few youtube channels. Honestly I hope youre being ironic.
>>79776423
I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic
>>79776499
I was sincerely hoping this was the case. Unfortunately sarcasm in this thread is hard to detect with all these *analogies;)* being thrown around
>>79776328
I have that link open from the first post and will definitely read it.
This might also interest you: http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=4338
>>79776132
Not OP, but I have met many SJWs in real life. They're all over campuses and college towns in New England. I have conversations with them, sometimes I sleep with them, the last SJW I talked to got furiously angry when I off-handedly mentioned I support Trump while we were having a discussion about the local mil-rate.
>>79776499
No it's just a typical SRS shill.
>SJWs don't exist, no one cares about them except /pol/, they're a minority that doesn't impact anything, etc.
>/pol/ on the other end are so obnoxious and everywhere, they're all over Reddit, they're in my cereals, anti-SJWs are the real problem!
>let me post a sexy girl to show that I'm totally not a SJW
>you guys are all betas/virgins, etc.
>>79776132
I work with them. Some of them are okay, but others are quick to shout you down just like /pol/.
Both /pol/ and SJW are the different sides of the same coin. They're morons who shit up the internet with poorly researched opinions and serve as excellent customers for whomever is shilling for them. Look at /pol/ and SJW business owners, they capitalize on the stupidity of both groups to make money.
>>79754474
Brazil should have never given you cucks independence, just a nation of shills now.
>>79777038
> /pol/ and SJW are the different sides of the same coin
>right and wrong is just a social construct. right and wrong are just both sides of the same coin guise.
not saying /pol/ is right about every single thing, its not exactly a collective anyways. but comparing us to SJWs is inherently blue pilled
>>79777038
You realize you are "/pol/" right? You're posting on the board like everyone else.
/pol/ is filled with romantics, but seems rather dishonest to call them SJWs
>>79776864
If you are reading gornahoor then I don't think we disagree on too much to be arguing about stupid shit. You have a grievance against a message board that was never good for discussion anyway (its 4chan for the love of god). Plenty of people have moved on from /pol/ to more discussion friendly sites. I recommend https://salo-forum.com/index.php and http://mpcdot.com/ I am past this complaining about /pol/ because I know what I got into when I started. Its a place for banter and right-wing shitposting. being passive aggressive about this place is dumb at this point.
>>79752771
>le "these two sides are the only sides" fallacy
i love this shitpasta
>>79758712
>>79764413
>Celebrity status will be enough to get elected soon
The movie industry (Hollywood) has only been around for a little over 100 years, so it'll be interesting to see in the coming decades how much more celebrities will transform into the new American aristocracy
>And then /pol/ just can't help but shit on everybody who's not white straight and male to explain everything wrong in this world.
What's wrong with this? It isn't straight WHITE MALES that are ruining the West.
>>79777389
shh anon they wont like it if you use facts. hes not on /pol/ right now at all! this board is too dismissive, having to listen over and over again to the same stupid opinions, and therefore we are the bad guys! he is not like us, he fights for justice! just muh two sides of the coin! :DDD fug politics is just like a coin thats a good analogy :DD
>>79750638
>tfw no racist qt to start a race war with
>>79750638
>i don't like reactionary politics
Why are you here then.
>>79750638
the majority of pol are uneducated, blue collar/neet white males
of course they make fun of others to make themselves feel better
>>79769993
Why would a sane person mutilate one's own genitals?
And prove to me that a trans person is genuinely happy and satisfied after having the genitals mutilated. Because it's quite plausible that a trans person will still feel irrationally unsatisfied and probably suicide just like a person with body dysmorphia can't seem to rationally achieve her goal of the weight and apperance she wants.
>>79778661
>projecting
>>79778009
>faggot white liberals aren't ruining the west
>>79778705
Its actually recorded that the suicide rate for post-op trannies is something like 20x higher
>>79750638
>I don't like /pol/
>don't you agree?
Why the fuck are you here?
>>79778705
>Why would a sane person mutilate one's own genitals?
Says the guy with the mutilated penis.
When you grow out of /pol/ it's time to join /lgbt/
>>79778921
Comparing circumcision to body dysphoria oh my gosh kid you really are an idiot. I give up responding youre beyond help.
>>79750638
>>79750638
Lad, take a look at any African or Middle Eastern nation if you want to see why importing millions of them into your home is a bad idea. Particularly look at South Africa to see what they will do to your children and your country if they ever outbreed you.
Also feminists just want to try and make women into men when women should be women. It's just a biological reality, like the race thing.
Gays put dicks up each others butts and that's gross. They're also walking sacks of AIDS and certainly aren't le brave heroes because of any of it.
>>79778921
You really are a dumbass, aren'tcha
Anyway, here's an actual response: >>79778873
>And then /pol/ just can't help but shit on everybody who's not white straight and male to explain everything wrong in this world.
Lurk more, faggot.
>>79779233
Are you not circumcised?
>>79779416
I consider circumcision to be irrational, yes
But I'm specifically responding to your "Trans are mentally ill and should be put down. Period." line. I'm specifically responding to sex change operations.
>>79779327
This.
>>79779625
>>79779003
Did I ever make the claim that transgenders are happier when they go through sex-change?
No.
As a matter of fact, they tend to kill themselves faster after realizing this isn't what was holding them back.
Are there any well-adjusted trannies who went on to live successful lives? Yes. Many of them. Some even became prime ministers and heads of state.
It all comes down to freedom to choose. I know this irks you guys but it's like this:
Some transition, become depressed and kill themselves.
Others transition, are comfortable with themselves and live happy lives.
Even if 99.99% of trannies killed themselves afterwards it shouldn't invalidate the 00.01% who go on to be happy.
>>79779990
Do male babies have a choice in being circumcised, Leaf?
Are we suggesting, "Because baby boys get circumcisions, therefore Trans is ok" ?
>>79780149
>Even if 99.99% of trannies killed themselves afterwards it shouldn't invalidate the 00.01% who go on to be happy.
>Even if 99.99% of trannies killed themselves afterwards it shouldn't invalidate the 00.01% who go on to be happy.
>Even if 99.99% of trannies killed themselves afterwards it shouldn't invalidate the 00.01% who go on to be happy.
>>79780149
So I'm supposed to ok with boys and girls who would have otherwise lived without questioning their gender, but because of the LGBT push become even more confused about their identity and then kill themselves? That's all the Trans movement is doing: adding even more confusion for youths developing their identities, and even creating potential mistakes and regrets for making life-altering decisions about hormones and surgery and lifestyle that may have very well NOT been what they were really wanting or needed.
>>79750638
Both sides contain loud people detached from reality.
It's true. Two sides of the same coin.
>>79780149
You should make sure that there's a proper process to ensure that they absolutely need it, and not overhaul society in its entirety in accommodation to minimize the damage though.
>>79780614
>>79780570
We'll manage. It's not the end of the world. It just looks like it.
>>79781403
What are you even talking about? No one said anything about the end of the world. You literally can't make one post without strawmanning people.
>>>/reddit/
>>79781713
What I mean is that your concerns are valid but just because you fear (and rightly so) that some kids will be brainwashed into being trannies, I believe that in the long run it's worth it to take that risk.
>>79782098
Take what risk?
>>79782299
The risk that some kids will be pressured into being trannies by virtue-signaling parents.
The same is already true with homosexuality.
>>79782576
People have been allowed to transition for decades, the problem is the additional propaganda going along with it in recent years though. Read: >>79773835
You shouldn't just mindlessly accept it when it's in schools, media, when additional laws and regulations are implemented, etc. It's worth pointing out when it's bullshit.
>>79782946
Yes. I and people like Camille Paglia and most civil libertarians agree with that Trans should be free to transition but it shouldn't be done with tax-payers money and hate speech laws should be abolished.
She doesn't address those issues here but it's important to realize lots of leftists are against SJWism and authoritarianism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_3AhU0-B0
As to what age they should be allowed to transition, it's a tricky subject. We know they get the best results before / during puberty but it's tricky.
"So you know your gender identity and your sexual orientation as a kid and you have the necessary agency to perform a life-changing operation but..... for some reason you're still too young for sex because you can't consent?"
Liberals are full of contradictions and it's important to highlight that.
>>79783927
>lots of leftists are against SJWism and authoritarianism
You say you are but in the end you always end up getting cucked by SJWs and end up tactitly accepting them, their tactics and policies, agreeing with most of the what they do anyway, or becoming just like them after a bit of time, just like cuckservatives. Left-libertarians will always end up losing and conceding everything to left-authoritarians in the long run.
>they get the best results before / during puberty but it's tricky.
People shouldn't be allowed to make life-altering decisions like this at such a young age, until there's a model that can accurately gauge whether they really need it. You shouldn't trust the current establishment, and often misguided parents to determine this.
>>79783927
Although thanks for the video, I might watch it later on tomorrow, and I do appreciate your stance w/r/t taxation and censorship laws.
It is pretty ridiculous how they accept something like changing your sex as a child but they have been responsible for consistently increasing the age of consent for something that's a lot less severe.
