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Red pill me on Race and IQ /pol/.
Hispanics are smartest but weakest
Blacks are strongest but stupidest
Whites are weakest but in between iq
>>79476333
niggers seem to have the greatest agility, but not the fastest reflexes to fit. Not really sure why this is, Neurological, Cardiological or muscular, we dont know yet because its a taboo study.
Whites are the strongest by far. Niggers rarely find the talent to compete in competitions of strength. Again, the why is not clear.
Whites and asians are the smartest, asians having the highest average intellect, but whites having the most geniuses per capita. This probably has something to do with hormones, but cannot be said for sure.
Abos and pygmy niggers are the dumbest with avg iq of 70 or something.
>>79477040
100% shitpost, please ignore
>>79477040
>MEXICAN INTELLECTUALS
>>79477040
Same Aus-oh... God damnit
>>79477285
The genius thing is because our bellcurve is wider. More dumbasses and more geniuses but it averages out to 100. That is why. Meanwhile the Asian bellcurve has more near the average. It's probably all genetic.
Ashkenazi > Asian > White > Whiteish > Arab > Gorilla > Negro
>>79476333
IQ is a measurment of how well adapted someone is to a particular, generally western and modern way of thinking that is learned. Proof is that there is roughly a full deviation increase in IQ from one generation to the next every time, even within the same race in the same country. Average white people from the early 1900s would be scoring about a 70 on mordern IQ test, not because they were dumber but because they learned to approach problem solving in a very different way.
Someone red pill me on the standard deviations within each IQ bell curve.
Is it 15 points for all races? Or just whites? Is it smaller for Asians, which is why we see similar numbers of white and Asian genius tiers?
>>79476333
Blacks are naturally violent and have low I.Q.'s
>Not having Stat Cards
>Not having them look like Baseball Cards
>Not being obvious
>Jew
>Chinks (Japanese Chinks, Phillipene Chinks, Etc.)
>Americans/Nordic European/Non-social Europe
>Rest of white social Europe
>Mid-Shade Europe (Greece, Spain, Morocco)
>Beaners/Arabs/Canadians
>Noggers
>>79477040
So full of bullshit.
Asians are the smartest race, even their natives have a better IQ than the other races.
Whites came in the second place I guess (Jews also have a better IQ but they are semitic, other semitics don't have such a great IQ)
Then Hispanics
Then Apes
Then Blacks
>>79477285
>whites are the strongest by far
Chinese dominated weight lifting championships last olympics
Weight lifting isn't really popular outside of western countries plus a few others like Iran (which also dominates this sport)
>>79476333
Sub Saharan blacks - average IQ 70
American blacks - average IQ 83
Hispanics - average IQ 89
Whites - average IQ 100
Mormons - average 106
Japanese & South Koreans - average 106-108
Ashkenazi Jews - average IQ 108-110
>>79477687
this is bullshit. tests have been adjusted for culture
>tests are racist
>>79477687
>Subhuman apologist
Sure iq tests are rigid but there is more than one iq test. You would have everbody believe pygmy niggers and abos are just as smart as everybody else, when pygmy niggers cant even operate a vehicle
>>79476333
that aint dumb
those niggas got around the curve and made the most of their meager gibs
>>79477040
Illegal immigrant detected
Get out and build wall.
>>79477477
>creator race
>europid
>>79477806
>Chinese dominated weight lifting championships last olympics
No they didnt
https://www.olympic.org/london-2012/weightlifting
>>79477806
Asians and Slavs seem to have hip structure that is more conducive to deep squatting than other races. Asians also seem to have relatively small femurs compared to their torso length, which is another factor in catching a clean and staying upright.
However, whites seem to dominate the more strength based sports like powerlifting or strongman competitions.
>>79477843
No, they haven't. And if they have then you really don't have a point because that means they weren't taking the same test.
>>79477938
>that 56 subsection
JUST
What group is that?
What about Muslims/Arabs ??
>>79478022
Yes rice nigger, civilize a whole continent and come back to us
>>79478079
Powerlifting and strongman (especially strongman comps) aren't popular at all outside of western countries. Next you're going to tell me Americans are racially built for baseball and American football.
>>79478103
Do some more research dumbass. The tests are the same, it's mostly pattern finding with shapes. The explanations are in the native language. Look it up.
>>79477040
Asians are the smartest and weakest, I haven't really given hispanics much thought though.
>>79478223
Nigger listen
America most popular sports requiring agility
>Basketball, football
>dominated by niggers
America, strongman competitions are popular as well
>Dominated by whites
What dont you understand
>>79477687
Logic and pattern recognition is not a "western way of thinking". That statement about about how white people from the early 1900's would score a 70 on a modern IQ tests is absolute horseshit. I've read quite a lot of this subject from both sides, I was almost going to write my thesis on the subject actually, and I have never come across a statement that said such a silly thing.
>>79478142
i think Botswana + Zambia
>>79478163
rare?
>>79478223
Whites are more commonly born with a lower center of gravity than other races, making it easier to lift heavy objects and carry them over distances. Blacks generally have a higher center of gravity making it easier to run faster.
White>Asian>Kike>Latino>Arab>Nig
>>79478103
>No, they haven't.
Yes they have, they don't get much press because blacks actually perform worse on tests with cultural references removed than they do with "white culture" assumptions in the test.
>>79478186
Europid isnt even a real race
>>79478408
I thought it was mainly just vocabulary and less malnutrition. Isn't the Flynn effect basically over?
>>79478491
Uncommon.
>>79477040
anal fuck me now
>>79478284
And psychologists still say education matters. Blacks might be inherently stupider but the real IQ gap is going to be narrower due to the Flynn effect. East and west Germany had 10 point gaps
>>79478492
I dont think that is enough of an explanation. Strength competitions feature many strength exercises that wouldnt really be affected by a minor change in center of mass
>>79477477
>indian
>>79478142
Those idiot Rhodesian nazis.
>>79478550
seriously thicc anon, noice
nice trip trips as well. Good night for you my man
>>79478598
IQ is estimated to be between 70-95% hereditary.
>>79477938
Nice sources /pol/and.
Also, an iq of 56 would be like barely functioning, needing be hooked up to machines and not able to put a shirt on level retarded. There are no populations on Earth not demonstrably capable of at the very minimum basic crafts, building simple structures, agriculture, etc, so that chart can dismissed out of hand anyway.
This is why you don't leave advanced biology and psychology to people who have never picked up a book on the subject in their life and have an opinion fueled entirely by infograph memes created by other people who are just as clueless as they are.
>>79478397
Every black in the USA grows up playing basketball. Why aren't blacks dominating soccer too? It's to do with what's culturally popular more than anything
>>79478598
>Blacks might be inherently stupider but the real IQ gap is going to be narrower due to the Flynn effect.
The black and white gap hasn't narrowed for like half a century. It's genetic m8.
There's no real verified scientific evidence on any of this. There has been some exploratory research by people like Richard Lynn, Helmuth Nyborg, and Tatu Vanhanen, but a lot of it was purely speculative.
For instance in IQ and the wealth of Nations they used IQ tests from the US army which did such things as classify northern africans (i.e. egyptians) as "white" and had a category for "hispanics" but didn't specify what the race was.
>>79478745
Yes it has you idiot. Look up the stars
>>79476333
Pygmies, bushmen and Abos score 52-64 on average(retarded)
Sub Saharan Africans and blacks in the west score 70-85(borderline retarded)
Mestizos/natives/Hispanics/Browns score 85-90(average intelligence)
Europeans score 95-100(high intelligence)
East Asians score 105(higher intelligence)
Ashkenazi Jews score 115(highest intelligence,do not fuck with them)
>>79477627
Can someone explain what this graph actually means? What values are on the axes?
>>79477040
>single contibution submitted by this user
>>79478727
Pretty sure the 56 one is for pygmies, it does sound like bs. 60's are real statistic though
>>79478810
American blacks have higher IQ because they are on average 20% white, also look up the minnesota twin adoption study if you think its not genetic.
>>79478707
According to whom?
>>79478741
Because soccer features endurance more than anything else. The muscle type associated with endurance is also associated with whites and with
>strength
oddly enough
you dont know enough about what you want to talk about, learn more and come back
>Red pill me on X. (with no extra content or input of your own)
Why aren't these threads ever deleted???
>>79476333
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
>>79478938
That's sat not iq. You're dumber than any nigger
>>79477687
>>79477843
>>79477870
>>79478408
Average IQ correlates with average income so the culture point is pretty much irrelevant, unless someone comes up with a new economic system that caters to those with lower IQs.
>>79478727
I dunno about 56, but abbos are barely functioning. They literally had to invent a different blend of gasoline to stop them from sniffing it. And there's the whole sleeping on the road shit.
>>79479039
SAT correlates with IQ.
>>79477609
except that jewish shit, its pretty much accurate
>>79478727
>Also, an iq of 56 would be like barely functioning,
even the most retarded animal can find food and shelter. nothing more is needed to survive. I dont know if they are 56 or 60 or 70. The point is that its hard to compare them to any modern civilisation.
>>79479060
>unless someone comes up with a new economic system that caters to those with lower IQs
it's called socialism
>>79476333
You readily accept that a Border Collie or a Poodle will be smarter and learn commands faster than a Beagle or a Bulldog, why would you not accept the same in humans?
>>79479060
>Average IQ correlates with average income
and the income someone earns has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how smart they are then?
>>79476333
Honestly, these guys impress me. Same with those guys from shithole african villages who practice powerlifting practing with like spare tires and scrap-iron weights. In an environment like that, they've got a practically religious dedication to the craft to keep it up
>>79478951
>soccer is more endurance related
>whites are better at endurance
Holy fuck you're seriously an idiot and havent played sports.
>>79477040
>asians are smart meme
>>79479121
>except that jewish shit, its pretty much accurate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence
>>79477687
But they all do the same IQ test based on pattern recognition. The whites who had to adapt to cold climate for thousands of years needed more intelligence to survive, so even a few hundred years ago the IQ would be the same or even higher.
>>79477040
>Hispanics are smartest but weakest
Here's your (you) good sir.
Anyone who thinks blacks are the strongest is being memed. Slavs and asians are much more stronger. Blacks have more fast twitch muscle, so they have more power. That's why sports like football, which requires a lot of explosive movement over time, is dominated by them.
>>79478765
Remove those countries and the results are still the same.
You can nitpick any metric or method, but if every time you test something the results come out the same, maybe just maybe there is something to it?
We are being very fucking generous, since you have yet to produce any data at all that supports race/intelligence equality.
>>79478562
Yes, Malnutrition and vocabulary absolutely do play an effect. It's been awhile since I've finished my schooling but if I remember right languages like Zulu simply don't have words for abstract concepts like time. It's almost like they are unable to grasp that current decisions may affect the future for them. Now It's very unpopular and you definitely have a strong chance of being rejected from the scientific community if you make such statements, so it was very hard to actually find really in-depth studies of if it was the language at fault, or if it was the people were simply too stupid to grasp the concepts.
But anyway while I was doing research a big one that made me believe that IQ has a heavy genetic component is twin studies. Black twin adopted into white family with poor income vs black twin adopted into black family with good income, situations like that. It shows a fairly clear link to race and IQ being also genetic when things like nutrition and vocabulary are taken into account
>>79479204
>sport where players can run upwards of fifteen miles in a game has nothing to do with endurance
Just get the fuck out straya
>In 2006, The New York Times Magazine listed about three quarters as a figure held by the majority of studies
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/magazine/23wwln_idealab.html?ei=5090&en=2c93740d624fe47f&ex=1311307200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&_r=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
>>79477477
>poo in loo detected
>>79477687
SHITPOST
IGNORE THIS FAGGOT
>>79476333
Google it. There's a lot of info out there on the subject AND IT IS VERY ACCESSIBLE. You might as well redpill yourself. Seriously. Just google it.
>>79477806
China puts literally a million kids into full time training camps and the state doped them, to end up with maybe 100 athletes
Maos push for Olympic models was driven by his inferiority complex in the Chinese race
TL:DW There are large IQ differences because races adapted to different environments. Expecting niggers to be successful in high IQ societies is a globalist delusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lsa_97KIlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsh_b70NSFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFERsUXjf-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x-tYmyJSVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPsXYo7gpc
>>79476333
Obviously there's a tradeoff between brain size and penis size during development.
Blacks -> Whites -> Asians -> Women
>>79479503
Probably the best advice here since you have to wade through complete nonsense like
>>79477040
>>79477609
>>79477747
>>79477806
>>79478223
>>79478598
>>79478741
>>79478810
>>79479204
>>79479372
The centre midfielder might run 20km but others play more zonal you idiot
>>79477285
>asians having the highest average intellect
>>79477609
>Asian > White
>>79477788
>Asians are the smartest race
>>79478391
>Asians are the smartest
You faggots mean EAST ASIANS.
Whites outperform SE Asians and Middle Eastern Asians and Western Asians
>>79478727
As someone who has worked in sub-Saharan Africa, I'd bet my car that some of the gorillas are smarter than the locals.
>>79476333
Homosexuals have higher IQ than heterosexuals
>>79478397
but powerlifting is shit and only popular in america while olympic weightlifting is an international sport dominated by eastern europeans , meds , and chinks not surprising the most godly heavy infantry come from those places
>>79477435
Yeah, my side got lost on that one too.
>>79479600
Hmmm
Thinking real hard here famalam
You real woke man
gotta show mad respect to that
>>79479431
>SHUT HIM DOWN
you delusional white supremacists are really annoying you know that?
>>79479315
Blacks are usually stronger. I looked like a tank when I benched 455. But I knew relatively small black guys who could keep up with me
Asian strength is a meme and only in squats, usually they're weak as shit in upper body lifts and heavy pulling.
>>79479715
>mfw no citations
>>79479695
>admits soccer players run like hell and endurance is a factor
>admits, without realizing it, that whites are more genetically predisposed to endurance based activities
>doesnt realize this is why soccer is filled with white and semi-white pros
>calls me an idiot
>>79479702
my mistake, you are correct for wanting to make that distinction
Whites are stronger on the upper scale when it comes to pure brute strength. Look at any strongman competition.
>>79477823
>Sub Saharan blacks - average IQ 70
>American blacks - average IQ 83
Proper diet and racemixing higher up the ladder increases the average IQ by 13 full points, that's actually intriguing.
Maybe WHITE MALES, FUCKING can uplift the spics as well.
>>79479939
Blacks are champions at boxing. A sport that the white man made and popularized.
>>79480030
not relevant at all to leaf's comment
>>79478163
Hella rare
>>79479894
You illiterate idiot. The centre midfielder, one position out of 11, might run 20km but other positions run maybe 10km and these are the top players. Other field sports run far far more. Soccer isn't endurance anymore more than other field sports
>>79479821
>Asian strength is a meme and only in squats, usually they're weak as shit in upper body lifts and heavy pulling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l84vmuuuHRg
Skip a little past 7:00.
>>79479715
Fuck off, Milo.
>>79478852
As far as physical attibutes go, I'd say Europeans and those with European blood are the most attractive. Then easy Asians. Everythin else is generally brown. Whites are the best physically as well. All sports are dominated by Europeans besides the popular ones like basketball or football. Lighter features on females are seen as most attractive and a bit darker on males are seen as most attractive.
>>79478870
Looks like bullshit, that figure isn't actually in the paper cited.
This is the actual figure and it's splitting some genes that are know to have variations into two groups and plotting what percentage of each group people in different population group have. Basically it's showing that people from similar ancestries have inherited similar sets of mutations.
>>79477938
are abbies really this retarded?
>>79480113
he said brute strength. isnt boxing about showing an another person who's boss through your fists?
>>79479894
Seriously Americans have to be the dumbest cunts on pol. They don't know anything about anything. Science,
Social sciences, fucking anything. No wonder your country is going down the shitter
>>79480131
Leave it to an australian to make this elaborate series of shitposts
>>79479145
That's not at all what I meant. My point was that whether or not IQ measures some objective kind of intelligence (I think it does), it measures abilities which are very important in the current economic system. So the "IQ tests are culturally biased" arguments are pretty much irrelevant because IQ measures something very important to modern life.
>>79478651
north asia was colonized by proto-aryans from europe several thousand years ago.
>>79479332
I don't believe either side, and no one can say for sure because we just simply don't know enough about the subject to say authoritatively one is right.
A big reason for that is that post-WWII universities have been prevented from studying these types of question due to leftist decrying of social darwinism.
IQ can't be equated with intelligence either. IQ doesn't test memory at all. IQ doesn't measure things like concentration, spacial awareness, etc.
Then you get into the question of distinguishing races. There are no unambiguous biological markers of race. It's extremely complex to group such disparate peoples as icelanders and greeks into one group.
Like I said, it's intellectually dishonest to say you know for sure anything regarding race and IQ. We just haven't studied it enough.
>>79477687
No. IQ is a measurement of intelligence. Fuck off nigger.
>>79476333
>How white people used stone.
>>79478550
>TFW YOUR HEAD ISN'T THE WATERMELON
>>79480301
Only the Trump supporters are like that.
>>79480293
Yeah but the best boxers are agile, its not a stength sport that features a show of weight and muscle control.
>>79477285
Blacks have more fast twitch muscle fibre, and looser joints, whites have more slow twitch muscle fibre and stiffer joints. This is why whites are strong men, and blacks are runners and shit.
>>79479595
Yea Moly was the guy who redpilled me on this stuff. I thought the IQ stuff was all memes until I watched those videos.
>>79479218
oh you. Ashkenazi meme is based mainly on Cochran, G., Hardy, J. and Harpending, H. work. I of course dont need to mention that they were all jews
>>79477938
>no Russia stats
>>79480301
Again, dont know why i wasted my time to begin with
>australian
>>79477847
>Muh ASPM and MCPH genes
Read your own links.
http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/6/600.full
Thus, our overall findings do not support a detectable association between the D-allele of either ASPM or Microcephalin and increased IQ. Furthermore, examination of the allelic effects of both genes together shows no evidence of a heterozygous or epistatic effect.
http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/13/5/489.abstract
Thus, the number of IQ domains does not appear to bear any relationship to brain size in mammals, and it certainly has no relevance to the enlargement of the brain during hominoid evolution.
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/26/10944
The phenotypic effects of the derived haplogoups of ASPM and Microcephalin are not yet known but arguably do not include gross phenotypic alterations: the derived haplogroups are apparently not involved in variations in intelligence (52), brain size (53), head circumference, general mental ability, social intelligence (54), or the incidence of schizophrenia (
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n2/full/mp2013197a.html
It should be noted that the effect sizes observed in our experiments are small, as might be expected from mutations in human genes that regulate late events in neural differentiation. Such mutations may not cause gross cortical malformations, but rather more subtle cognitive and behavioral defects. Given this and the age specificity of our observations, a major challenge remains to generate additional studies to replicate our findings.
>>79476333
>1 post by this ID
I don't even want to bother typing it up.
>>79477847
also
>muh Witherspoon paper
Read it.
http://www.genetics.org/content/genetics/176/1/351.full.pdf
The fact that, given enough genetic data, individuals can be correctly assigned to their populations of origin is compatible with the observation that most human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them. It is also compatible with our finding that, even when the most distinct populations are considered and hundreds of loci are used, individuals are frequently more similar to members of other populations than to members of their own population. Thus, caution should be used when using geographic or genetic ancestry to make inferences about individual phenotypes.
>>79477747
Why is Russia all black?
>>79477747
You have to go back
from whence you came
>>79480269
Does it specify what the genes are? Because if it's something like melanin content, it really doesn't mean much.
>>79480392
>sandniggers are white only if they do amazing shit.
neet, no money, uneducated, video game addicted, 0 benefit to society white shits are niggers then, i assume?
>>79480473
Holy fuck
PHILLIPINOS ARE THE MOST...
>>79477938
When they say Asians have 105 IQ, they don't mean all Asians. The dark blue area is about 20,000X too large.
>>79480643
BIX NOOD
>>79480392
oh come on. greeks and middle easters white
>>79477477
>Arabs
.>live in large groups without breakdown or violence.
nigga what?
>>79477938
>>79478727
>>79479121
>>79479706
>NATIVE AMERICANS, CLOSE RELATIVES TO EAST ASIANS SCORE LESS THAN A STANDARD DEVIATION IN IQ
Hmm... Really makes you think...
>>79480638
>Holy fuck
What did the Aussie mean by this?
>>79477687
>Raven's matrices are a western and modern way of thinking
>dots lines and circles are western centric
>>79480717
POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
Swag
>>79480570
its not all black.
>>79480175
>Literally a one in a million exception proves the rule
>>79480812
They were fine before you came along moishe, have a little perspective.
>>79480350
The only reason we're even talking about IQ is to give black and mestizos a fair chance, since when you look at actual accomplishments they get completely destroyed:
Professionally
Accademically
In their native countries
As minorities in white countries
Currently and all throughout history
So we come up with a test that tries to give them a chance by ignoring those things as much as possible, and that test is the thing you chose to nitpick.
I agree it needs to be studied further. But at this point the evidence is so overwhelming, that basing policy on anything but the assumption that there is a huge difference in intelligence, is madness.
>>79480942
Chinks dominated weightlifting in the olympics
>>79477627
https://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/WorldwideHumanRelationshipsInferredFromGenome-WidePatternsOfVariation.pdf
This paper does not mention anything about race or differences in genetics between human populations. It only traces haplogroup migrations. This a paper supporting the of out of africa theory.
>>79476333
So that's how organic bulls are made.
I'm half white half Hispanic (TeJano not Mexican) my verbal iq is 111 and nonverbal is 105. Thoughts?
>>79477477
>Turkic/arab can adapt
>no breakdown or violence
???
>>79479356
You've definitely read Braun's Racism, Guilt, Self-Hatred & Self-Deceit. It's a very good read on the subject.
>>79480570
most of russia east of the urals is mongolia: erectric boogaroo
>>79479121
the stupid jews didn't survive the holocaust
>>79480548
no one will respond to you because they are convinced by their anecdotal observations and confirmation bias.
The simple truth of the matter is that there is no legitimate scientific evidence establishing a correlation between IQ and race, or even establishing biological markers of race itself.
>>79481041
Tu (((bait desu))) puede comer mis bolas como triki trakes
>>79480836
they didnt come there like yesterday. in the end everyone comes from africa. note that the conditions shape the iq. the warmer the lower.
>>79479356
>too stupid to grasp the concepts.
They also may be too stupid to develop the concepts. It's a feedback loop. Africa is a dump because they're genetically retarded and it being a dump further lowers their IQ scores (Raven's matrices in particular, which are pretty neutral).
it's all horseshit
think about blacks in 1950 before welfare, they were perfectly integrated in white culture but then we put them on welfare and ruined all of their incentive to prosper.
>>79480836
>CLOSE RELATIVES TO EAST ASIANS
No they're not.
>>79481164
I know, but there is always a chance you might take a science denier and show them their own contradictions and bring them to the truth.
The overall problem is that people like this can't deal with reality... well they better learn to deal with it.
>>79480976
most weren't self governed before ww1.
also arabs kill themselves in the tribe level in staggering numbers.
most murdered in israel are of arabs by arabs.
and that isnt unique to the arabs living here.
arab society norms are savage.
>>79478727
iqs below 70 is literally mentally retarded.
as in you cant feed yourself, cant even hunt, cant use tools, understand human speech or even drive a vehicle.
areas in africa with the 70 iq and below are filled with warlords that kills their enemies using ak's and grenade launchers plus shittons of mechanicals
iqs are simply an another globalist bullshit.
>>79481164
I agree with you save for blacks. black people are dumb as bricks and racial groups who mix with them suffer.
>>79481250
>think about blacks in 1950 before welfare, they were perfectly integrated in white culture
No they weren't. They lived in slums or in the deep south in huts. Housing projects were a response to dindus living in slums.
>>79481297
FST stands for fixation index. Indexes and metrics are different things. Look it up.
>>79481297
>whites the most tightly grouped of all ethnic clusters
No wonder the judes want us dead.
>>79481164
Wrong, you can judge a race with 70% accuracy by looking at their skeletal structure.
>>79481320
You're a moron. African IQs are based on Raven's matrices which measure pattern detection. It doesn't measure how well they can interact socially or verbally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKA9_FlsZqE
>>79481178
My mom didn't teach me Spanish, dad wouldn't let her
>>79481378
>chinada telling me about blacks
educate yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlw
>>79481388
"Metric" means distance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index#Autosomal_genetic_distances_based_on_SNPs
>>79481568
My particular interest is the great migration and the invention of the mechanical cotton picker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCrR6ltEep4
>>79481538
im pretty sure those people in wartorn areas dont have the time or patience to deal with the stupid ass IQ test shit while they should be spending their time trying to stay alive
stupid ass fuck
>>79481305
>weren't independent
>what is the ottomon empire
I guess whites aren't independent because we live in mostly federal nations, and have never been truly independent before that because we all lived under large empires.
The middle east was at the very least not a war torn hellhole before Israel was formed.
>>79481372
There is no scientific evidence to prove that claim.
We don't even fully understand what intelligence is in genetic terms, yet alone biologically divide up the human species. It's too early to say anything about this.
People treat IQ as if its some be all end all, when in reality it has been shown to have a weak correlation to educational acheivement and income.
>>79480492
Poland always had an issue with mother Russia.
>>79481451
Name me the races and show me their biological markers.
>>79481658
Their societies and behaviour reflect their IQ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W27PnUuXR_A
>>79479123
Collectivist systems can only work in intelligent societies.
Honestly, it seems like only dictatorships or theocracies (or theocratic dictatorships) work for dumb societies.
>>79480987
>b-but whitey held them all down!
you literally can't win with leftist, I quit fighting them.
I am with you and the canacuck that it needs to be studied further, but all other evidence (like you said) points to the obvious. Even in reproduction strategy (rushton).
And if we really want to make it black and white we can go with the
>leftist delusion we're all equal
>more realistic idea that there are hierarchies much like there are in nature
I'll take the latter
>>79481320
the problem is that you're measuring 70 IQ based on the metric of other races. Most groups won't hit 70 IQ without some form of brain development or damage problem that leads to SOCIAL DISABILITY, the deviation is too great to reach it normally.
with blacks, 70 IQ is incredibly close to their normal IQ, so visible social deficiencies shouldn't show up until near the 50's. This leads to people that are completely normal when you talk to them, but find it exceedingly difficult to comprehend and execute concepts (like farming) that we take for granted.
>>79481603
Correct.
A metric is something with definitive or agreed upon value. Like a meter for distance.
An index is a comparative value within a set sample. Let's say I'm taller than 75% of people so my height index is 0.75. That's not something else accurately with.
You can't use FSTs from different samples and compare them because they aren't metrics.
>>79481671
You know shits fucked up when you defend the Ottoman occupation of the ME.
>>79477477
abos should be in a league of their own desu
>>79481705
>People treat IQ as if its some be all end all, when in reality it has been shown to have a weak correlation to educational acheivement and income.
That weak correlation only gets weak at you go up past a certain point in the IQ ladder. A person with an IQ of 160 isn't that much more likely to have achieved more income and educational achievement compared to someone who has an IQ of 115.
However as you go down the scale, there is a very clear correlation. A group of people with an average IQ of 80 is almost certainly going to have achieved less income and educational achievement compared to a group of people with an average IQ of 100.
>>79477285
Why do you see mostly blacks on sports teams?
>>79481658
nigger detected
kill yourself chimp
>>79476333
- Asians are terrific at copying other people and at muscle memory tasks. Also pretty smart
- Whites are the most creative. Also pretty smart
- Blacks are most naturally athletic. Intellect questionable.
- everyone else can't compare (poointheloos, native savages, hispanics, etc)
>>79481705
>There is no scientific evidence to prove that claim
if blacks were capable of anything they wouldn't have been considered animals by every other racial group for thousands of years.
>>79481745
>>79481981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shovel-shaped_incisors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny_in_humans#Between_races_and_among_primates
>>79481705
But intelligence IS hereditary
Dumb fuck fucks dumb fuck and gets dumb fuck pregnant will result in a dumb fuck offspring.
The same as beta+beta=beta.
>>79482096
easy money/fame/success with barely no mental effort applied
>>79480323
I agree with this very much. IQ has great deterministic effects on success. I recently redpilled a person on racial IQ differences but he started saying "Well, I don't think intelligence matters as much as you think. And I think you can train somebody to do anything, some people just need more time."
The closing bits of our discussion were comprised of me trying to say I really don't think that's true, and that certain fields (like computer science, which is what he's interested in) have an IQ floor. I was trying to say that dumb people will have an increasingly scarce need to exist in our society as we move towards full automation, yet their population continues to swell.
Irrelevant concept. The only thing that should matter are individuals. Anyone who prides themselves in their race or vilifies other races of another is simply a collectivist.
For example, even if blacks are all deemed by statistics to be dumb, it would tell you nothing about an individual black person standing in front of you. A smart person can come from a family of idiots, just as an idiot can be born out of a family of geniuses.
Race and IQs do not matter on an individualistic level.
Leader of country: We will not allow people with sub 100 iq into this country
Liberals: That's racist
Leader: how is it racist, do you think people of different races have different IQs you shitlord
>>79481568
Wow its pretty disquieting to see. People like him existed and could fill a classroom with attendants because the rate of illegitimacy was lower in his generation. 30 years later you can't get a single autonomous gathering against the decline of the black community together, and its become increasingly harder to do for whites as well.
Its frightening to think that the prole status blacks have been relegated to is only a preview of what is to come for other demographics in America.
>>79482162
That doesn't imply differences in heredity between races.
>>79481705
>We don't even fully understand what intelligence is in genetic terms, yet alone biologically divide up the human species. It's too early to say anything about this.
We know exactly what intelligence is.
It's performance at cognitive tasks.
Some people might be better at certain tasks than others, but if you're worse at everything you are dumber.
Blacks perform worse no matter which metric you pick.
>>79481164
t. jew
>>79478727
>There are no populations on Earth not demonstrably capable of at the very minimum basic crafts, building simple structures, agriculture, etc, so that chart can dismissed out of hand anyway.
Australian aboriginals.
>>79481981
>>79482150
You've been fooled by another meme. Only one of those skulls is actually a homo sapien.
It's a common tactic to find pictures of other hominid skulls and claim they are different races.
>>79482215
you can't measure the value of an individual without an average to base it off of, idiot.
a hold more respect for a 100 IQ black with a decent job than I do a 100 IQ asian with a decent job.
>>79477627
explain the sand niggers please
>>79482295
Could you elaborate on that?
>>79482041
The ottoman empire was middle eastern, and to imply that the middle east was not self-governing when they had an all-encompassing state is pretty disingenuous. He was trying to suggest that arabs cannot persist in civilization at a lower level than whites and east asians, which is all the picture claimed.
say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
>>79482435
In order for the gap to be explained by genetics, different races would have to have drastically different genetics.
Even if IQ is highly heritable, if we all have roughly the same genetic variation, the gap couldn't be explained by genetics.
>>79481745
>Name me the races and show me their biological markers.
All races within their individual racial populations have an average skull size. Those average skull sizes differ between races. An average Skull of European descent will be larger than an average skull of African descent.
Really man, it's not hard to google this kind of stuff.
>>79477477
Why are Indians given the Arian name wasn't the Ariana current Afghanistan?
Over the past 5 years, a variety of specific genes have been shown to influence IQ. Versions of these genes which lead to higher intelligence are consistently found to be more common in Whites than in Blacks. The difference between Asians and Whites is less clear. The consistency of these findings, which have been replicated across two genetic databases, makes an egalitarian view of racial intelligence differences improbable. This research also suggests that selection, instead of genetic drift, causes racial intelligence differences because IQ related genes are more racially differentiated than most genes are. In fact, they are more racially differentiated than height related genes are, suggesting that selection for racial intelligence differences was stronger than selection for racial height differences.
Swallow the red pill over at
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/race-and-iq/
>>79477040
>Hispanics are smartest but weakest
Always remember the Mexican Renaissance!
>>79482399
At least three are homo sapiens. And even if the "abo" skull is neanderthal, neanderthal's were homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis).
>>79477285
>Not really sure why this is
> Again, the why is not clear.
Negroids have higher ratio of twitch muscles to skeleton muscles compared whites. Twitch muscles are best for explosive movement, like boxing or sprinting. Strength sports rely more on skeleton muscles.
>>79478741
most european national soccer teams are mostly black
>>79482675
aryan's colonized northern india.
>>79477040
Hispanics as in Spaniards, yes
Hispanics as in Mexicans, no
>>79482195
>IQ has great deterministic effects on success.
Not really. What matters is how many hours of experience you put into something. IQ helps, obviously, but it isn't the only relevant factor that decides who will be successful and who won't be. It comes down to genetic factor, upbringing, education, social status, luck, and historical timing.
There are many people with insanely high IQ who don't become the next Bill Gate.
>>79482409
Yes you can you fucking retard. You can base an individual by talking to them and interacting with them.
>a hold more respect for a 100 IQ black with a decent job than I do a 100 IQ asian with a decent job.
Then you're a racist. Good job. You judge a person by their race than their personal achievement and personality. Who's to say that the Asian guy wasn't given that job because his father is the CEO while the black guy went to university and got that job? Historical and personal relevance matters when judging individuals.
IQ is not a measure of evaluation or respect simply because a collective is statistically better than another.
>>79482764
>mostly black
>mostly
You're thinking of France, Bilel.
>>79481671
>Ottomans
>Arabs
>>79477609
>Ashkenazi
you're mixing up genetic insularity with IQ somehow
anyway, it matters not a shit what a GROUP'S IQ is.
Individual achievement is all that counts.
>>79477285
Thanks to our marvelous breeding program during slavery
>>79482678
>>79477847
>>79480525
Not a single gene discovered so far has been confirmed to have a affect on IQ
>>79482399
That's pretty racist desu.
>>79476333
We really need a sticky...
>>79477823
>Sub Saharan blacks - average IQ 70
>American blacks - average IQ 83
>Hispanics - average IQ 89
>Whites - average IQ 100
>Mormons - average 106
>Japanese & South Koreans - average 106-108
>Ashkenazi Jews - average IQ 108-110
this is nonsense.
there is actually current research...if only you could get online somehow so you could get the facts...
>>79482905
Maybe people should just accept that IQ is just fucking irrelevant like race.
>>79482860
>anyway, it matters not a shit what a GROUP'S IQ is.
>Individual achievement is all that counts.
Very silly thinking. A group with a high average IQ is more likely to have more greater individual achievements than a group with a low average IQ.
>>79482904
Based
>>79478163
middle east has an average of about 85
>>79482195
It's tough to talk to the average person about this stuff. Usually it's not because your argument is bad, they just don't want to be seen as a Nazi. Just point out 2 things:
1: There's no objective supremacy, only being well adapted to environments. This applies to IQ as well.
2: The differences between racial averages are smaller than the variations in individuals within the races, so you can't just assume a random black guy on the street is dumber than you because you're white. It does, however, give us incentives to restrict who we let in to our countries.
That way, you're (slightly) less likely to get called a Nazi.
>>79477938
a copied map with a line of text = legit source
>>79482128
if im a nigger by your definition i wouldnt be able to use a computer or understand english
be smarter you dumbfuck
>>79482960
>there is actually current research.
Wow thanks for the references.
>>79483025
>individual achievement doesn't count if we put people in a group!
Jesus fuck.
>>79482905
The heritability of intelligence is well-established. Ever heard of adoption studies?
Please read the following: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-heritability-of-iq/
>>79483071
>This applies to IQ as well.
No it doesn't. This idea of "cold climates make you smart, warm climates make you dumb" has no basis is science. There are no regions in the world that select for IQ.
I have no doubt differences in IQ between races exist, but how much of that environment meme with regards to the development of civilizations is true?
In other words, if you swapped places for all the peoples of Europe and Africa 4000 years ago, what would Europe vs. Africa look like today in terms of cities, etc.?
>>79483090
>if im a nigger by your definition i wouldnt be able to use a computer or understand english
Niggers understand rudimentary english. Niggers mostly speak ebonics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klxGFAnY4nI
>>79483025
Your achievement was to prove my point for me.
And you did.
Thank you.
>>79477040
Are hispanics weakest or are the whites weakest?
>>79483110
Where did I even insinuate that? Like, how the hell did you even come to the conclusion that I was insinuating that?
Does individual achievement count? Yes. Will there be more, better individual achievements in a group with an average IQ of 100 than a group with an average IQ of 85? Yes.
>>79477040
>hispanics
>smart
Mucho keko. Hispanics are only one level above blacks and that's only because of the food.
>>79482904
african states got into the world cup many times.
senegal finished 4th place in 2002
blacks are just athletic naturally
>>79483216
Environment affects evolution. It affects genetics. It also affects how those genes are expressed for the individual. IQ is due to genetics and the expression of those genes within an environment.
>>79476333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence
>>79482195
>certain fields (like computer science, which is what he's interested in) have an IQ floor.
This is almost certainly true.
>>79482808
IQ floor doesn't mean that a high IQ guarantees success. It just means certain activities require a minimum amount of processing power or capacity for abstraction. A 150 IQ doesn't mean you'll be the next Richard Feynman, but an IQ of 80 means you won't.
>>79479123
lolrekt
>>79483358
>blacks are atheltic genetically
>blacks aren't retarded genetically
>>79477477
OUTDATED SHIT LIST OF RACES, KEK!
>>79482775
Ariana, the Latinized form of the Ancient Greek Ἀρ(ε)ιανή Ar(e)ianē[1] (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοί Ar(e)ianoi),[2] was a general geographical term used by some Greek and Roman authors of the ancient period for a district of wide extent between Central Asia[3] and the Indus River,[4] comprehending the eastern provinces of the Achaemenid Empire[5] that covered the whole country of modern day Afghanistan, and a few parts of India, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Iran, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.
It was a small part of india
>>79482905
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
>>79483160
The influence of genetics on IQ is still hotly debated.
Please read the actual scientific literature.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000178
>>79482840
>middle eastern
>>arab
They certainly weren't fucking jews, which is my larger point. Try to have a conversation without conforming to pic related please.
>>79483222
same goes to hicks and nigger hatin trailer trash whites.
>>79482905
>intelligence isnt inheritable
every fucking time.
You explain how humans became intelligent then.
>>79477040
BUILD WALL
>>79483098
Recent big study in NYC re: high school achievement showed that there's no IQ advantage to being Asian (over white) -- it's the Asian student home environment that stresses homework, success, success in home homework, etc. Whites also tend to waste a lot of their kids' time on sports, whereas Asians do homework.
>>79483333
Can't deny those quads
>>79483465
>The influence of genetics on IQ is still hotly debated.
>hotly
Yes in this thread.
>The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late teens and adults
>>79483445
ben carson is a nuerologist
obama is the current american president
martin luther king wrote books.
>>79483465
its debated because it doesnt fit the PC world-view.
Its also pretty much a proven fact that 50-80% of intelligence is inherited. All you need to do is study twins who got separated at birth to find that out.
>>79483514
Again thanks for the reference.
>>79483332
>Individual achievement is all that counts.
>A group with a high average IQ is more likely to have more greater individual achievements than a group with a low average IQ.
>Where did I even insinuate that?
When you put people in groups to build shit, it no longer becomes individualistic achievement you fucking idiot.
Fucking collectivist mentality, I swear.
>>79477040
whites are the strongest. they're the warrior race. this is why they conquered the world and dominate it still.
>>79482215
> The only thing that should matter are individuals.
Then fucking test people individually before you let millions of people from the 3rd world in.
Until you do, what matters is the average.
>>79483579
>outliers vs averages
you must be a nigger
>>79476333
Niggers are slave-tier IQ
Gooks are insect-tier, but the Samurai are white-tier.
Japan modernized in less than a century once introduced to western technology.
Every other piece of shit in the world has had our influence and money rammed up their ass for 200 years and are still shit-tier subhumans.
>>79483514
"I remember some guy said" isn't a reference. Post a link.
>>79483177
There are other pressures that hone intelligence. like agriculture and modes of living.
But to say that parts of the world with a season that kills those who aren't prepared for it doesn't affect intelligence is fucking ludicrous.
>>79483482
That's not what I said. I said we haven't confirmed any genes yet, contrary to other claims.
Also how heritable IQ is does not imply differences in heritablity between races.
>>79483464
This is a news article.. it doesn't mention any genes nor does it link to any sources. I'm skeptical
>>79483624
they got lucky with gunpowder.
before that, the whites regularly got btfo by the arabs and the mongols
>>79476333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
>>79483624
You're not even white
>>79483465
This guy is ignoring the scientific consensus on the heritability of IQ to protect his safe, comfortable worldview.
It's not worth it lads, let him find out for himself.
>>79483222
>>79483222
>Niggers mostly speak ebonics.
Milkbag, it's pretty fucking rare you get black Canadians trying pull that Boyz 'n' da Hood shit.
Get serious.
IQ has a weak correlation to income. It explains only roughly 30% of the variation in income amongst the population. Why do people think IQ is a valuable measure of intelligence when it can't even predict income?
>The correlations between IQ at age 8 and incomes at age 43 years were 0.368 for men (n=1280) and 0.317 for women (n=1085). The higher correlation for men than for women is not statistically significant... the correlation between IQ and income may be considered quite small.
>Irwing Paul. Lynn, Richard. The Relation Between Childhood IQ and Income in Middle Age, 2006.
>>79483748
Your understanding of history and statistics is nigger tier.
>>79483514
thats only a factor, home environment does influence IQ in kids but it levels out later in life.
With adults its almost purely genetics that determine IQ.
>>79483744
Do we need to locate and specify the genes of height to prove the heritability of height.
slide thread almost not bumping anymore
>>79483729
All regions of the world have seasons. Even tropical areas have rainy seasons and dry seasons.
There is zero scientific evidence behind the claim that cold climates select for intelligence more than anywhere else.
>>79483402
>but an IQ of 80 means you won't.
No, it's the same shit. An IQ of 150 doesn't mean you'll be the smartest shithead, and an IQ of 80 doesn't mean you're predestined to never try and become the best you can be.
It comes down to a lot of factors and IQ simply isn't the sole deciding factor. Low IQ is a handicap but it doesn't mean that they can't work themselves to the bone and become the next Richard Feynman.
>>79483744
>Also how heritable IQ is does not imply differences in heritablity between races.
true, but studies prove tendencies and it would be stupid to assume that people that developed to look vastly different wouldnt have differences in that regard too either way.
>>79483805
>t. Canadian nigger
The average Canadian nigger is from Jamaica or Somalia and they're shit tier.
>>79477477
This is the dumbest list I've seen
>>79483808
>childhood IQ
>>79483471
But the other Israeli was talking about Arabs, not Middle East. Also, Turkey is in Asia Minor, not Middle East, so I don't know what the hell you're trying to say. Arabs are shit at self-government.
>>79483615
>When you put people in groups to build shit, it no longer becomes individualistic achievement you fucking idiot.
I'm not talking like it's a fucking group project in school where everyone collaborates you fucking dolt.
>>79483650
>all smart and succesful niggers are outliers
>they're not a valid proof in any way no matter how many of them exists
you're late to fuck your sister, trailer trash piece of shit
Why do people think hispanic is a race
It's not
Injun hispanics (Mexicans) are the dumb ones
Spaniards aren't dumb
>>79483914
What about a migratory history for the founder population that traces through several contrasting biomes?
Would the ability to have traversed and settled multiple environments that demand different techniques to survive suggest a preference for mental elasticity?
>>79478550
holy shit
>>79483744
>That's not what I said. I said we haven't confirmed any genes yet, contrary to other claims.
yes but we know they have to exist
>>79483929
Yeah I'm sure a 60 IQ down syndrome retard can win a noble prize in physics if he "applies himself"
Lmao this is what canuck niggers actually believe.
>>79483820
your reactions to my posts are pretty much what i'd expect the mentally retarded would do.
>>79483949
It is stupid to assume anything without evidence.
Given the fact that inteligence is highly polygenic, and differences in genetic variation between races are very small, the evidence is in the other direction.
>>79483801
I'm not "protecting" anything. The heritablity of intelligence is still debated. And as I already said, how heritable IQ is not the debate. The argument is whether or not different races have different heritatability, which there is no evidence for.
>>79484007
You really are a dumb nigger using a proxy or on vacation. You really can't grasp the difference between average and outlier.
> trailer trash piece of shit
The poorest whites are smarter than rich niggers. Niggers get by through affirmative action. Also monkey faced Obongo is half white.
>>79483983
Lol wow literally incapable of not being jewy. The middle east is Asia Minor.
The entire region was better before Israel started, and I don't care who was in charge. Just accept that you have a negative impact on every place you settle and move on with your life.
>>79484104
The content of your posts reflects your ape level IQ.
>>79482808
>then you're a racist
you call somebody a racist on fucking /pol/ of all places. enjoy the smug anime face
>>79483604
give me your address and I'll come on over and use your computing machine to enter the obvious keywords into the Google search box.
>>79484055
By the time homo sapien started migrating out of africa, we already had the tools we needed. We had hunting tools, clothing, and social groups, along with many other traits that had already prepared us to spread.
>>79483914
>There is zero scientific evidence behind the claim that cold climates select for intelligence more than anywhere else.
You know a lot of Darwin's work was based off of observation and nothing more. I think it's a pretty fair observation that it takes more intelligence to survive in a cold climate than it does a warm one as an early human.
>>79479702
>Zhang don't want to be associated with his southern neighbors
>>79483991
You're still removing individualistic achievement by putting people into groups, you fucking collectivist.
>>79484093
I didn't say it was possible, but that doesn't mean he can't fucking try or be told that his life is shit. Some people will be fucked from birth and putting a hyperbole for why low IQ people are fucked for life doesn't mean that they will never achieve anything
>lol if you're fucked in the birth lottery, just don't try okay?
You fucking Japanese value hard work over intelligent, so you should know more about this shit.
>>79484256
>t. ape
>>79483748
Chisrtianity was a big blow to the war spirit.
>>79484166
the poorest white are too fucking stupid to get rich
if niggers lie and scheme their way out of poverty they must be smart.
why are you fucking stupid, you no money no brain hick fuck?
>>79483914
Except for the fact that IQ lowers as you get closer to the equator
>>79484390
I just showed you the stats, subhuman.
>>79484329
Darwins work is reproducible to this day. That is why it is accepted science.
There is no evidence for this silly idea. If there is show me the evidence.
>>79484237
Don't care, I'm sick of collectivism on both the right and left. The closer /pol/ gets over being collectivist, the closer it gets to defeating SJW.
>>79483929
Yes and a person born with no arms may become the deadlifting champion but it's just not likely with such a handicap. To deny it doesn't matter is ignorance. I have a feeling you believe that all humans are really good on the inside and we all can get along one day too.
>>79484390
just because you commit felonies to briefly leave poverty doesn't mean you are smart
any dumbass can use a gun to rob somebody they are still going to be locked in a cage someday
>>79483914
>All regions of the world have seasons. Even tropical areas have rainy seasons and dry seasons.
Plenty of regions are fairly steady in terms of their seasonal changes. Rain and dry seasons are nowhere as belligerent in their selection against low intelligence and high-time preference as the winter.
Winters have been killing off millions who didn't conserve enough and innovate enough to keep themselves sufficiently warm and fed.
>>79484516
He's also a citizen of the world.
>>79484411
That's only a correlation. Most of the human population lives in the north because north america, europe, and northern asia have more land mass than land near the equator so more people live there.
This is just another stupid correlation with no causal evidence, and the causal of the correlation has nothing to do with the claim.
>>79484538
>Rain and dry seasons are nowhere as belligerent in their selection against low intelligence and high-time preference as the winter.
Show me scientific evidence for this claim.
>>79484291
not an argument
>>79484336
>I didn't say it was possible
Yes you did. This is what you said :
>Low IQ is a handicap but it doesn't mean that they can't work themselves to the bone and become the next Richard Feynman.
>Some people will be fucked from birth and putting a hyperbole for why low IQ people are fucked for life doesn't mean that they will never achieve anything
Of course low IQ people can do stuff, but they'll never fucking win a nobel prize in physics. Entertaining that illusion is just cruel. It's like convincing a handicapped kid in a weelchair that he can become a world class athlete if he "works hard enough"
Your "let's pretend as if IQ differences don't exist" ideology is retarded.
>>79480631
Ancient Egyptians were caucasians. Not white, but definitely caucasoids. I get the feeling like all caucasoids have the same capacity for intelligence. If you look at history all of the caucasoid groups have shown capacity for intellect and reasoning.
>>79484336
Yes or no: People from a group of average intelligence will have more individual achievements than a group of people with low intelligence?
>>79484633
What are axioms?
>>79484719
There are more things which are an accomplishment for retards than the average joe so no.
>>79484774
>It's true because I say it is
That's not how science works. Axioms are used in philosophy or some math concepts, but science is purely inductive.
>>79484516
>Yes and a person born with no arms may become the deadlifting champion but it's just not likely with such a handicap.
>limiting your achivement to one specific goal
I'm sure there's some armless fuck who can deadlift with his beard or some shit. Become the best you can with the best of your abilities and effort.
>I have a feeling you believe that all humans are really good on the inside and we all can get along one day too.
No, there are a insanely large number of people that are shitheads who believe in collectivism and mysticism to dictate their morals.
>>79484572
I don't like globalism.
>>79484588
>That's only a correlation
Well sure. Is that supposed to refute the fact that niggers are dumb?
I don't think you understand the importance of correlation.
Anyways, you'll get the causal evidence in 20 to 30 years when we'll have identified the genes involved in brain development and noticed that they are not uniformily present in the world population.
>>79484450
>If there is show me the evidence.
Honestly man, even from a common sense point of view, just putting the science aside for a moment, do you think it's harder for an early human to survive in a warm climate, or a cold climate?
>>79483929
>>79484093
>sole deciding factor
I never said sole factor, but the chances of someone with an 80 being a groundbreaking quantum physicist are fucking astronomical.
There are people who will probably never be good calculus, no matter how they try. Their mind isn't wired for that, and it would be a cruel waste of their time to tell them they could do it.
How low do I have to drop the IQ level for you to say that a person will not succeed in physics or engineering? 70? 60? 50? 40? At some point, the chance of success is negligible.
>>79484191
Fucking American education
Of course it was better under British and Turkish rule.
>>79484153
The heritability of intelligence is not hotly debated. If anything it is avoided. Look up studies of identical twins adopted into different households. They tend to end up with remarkably similar IQs.
>the heritability of IQ is not the debate
Yes, it is. You're the one who brought it up and obviously if you don't believe IQ is heritable then the rest of the debate is moot, isn't it?
If you have the time, please watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GexZF5VIMU
>>79484868
>just putting the science aside for a moment
>putting the science aside
Typical racist argument
>>79484901
lol what point do you even think you are making here?
The original statement: THEY WERE DOING FINE BEFORE YOU SHOWED UP.
I'm sorry if you think exigent circumstances detract from that reality, but they do not.
>>79484588
>That's only a correlation. Most of the human population lives in the north because north america, europe, and northern asia have more land mass than land near the equator so more people live there.
...Are you trying to equate IQ with population density?
>>79484901
kek
My ID
>>79485003
Rare id
>>79484672
>Of course low IQ people can do stuff, but they'll never fucking win a nobel prize in physics. Entertaining that illusion is just cruel. It's like convincing a handicapped kid in a weelchair that he can become a world class athlete if he "works hard enough"
That's still just using extreme hyperbole reject hard work. It's obvious some people will be fucked from the start, but most aren't and should still try their best.
>lol you're 100% braindead, I guess no one should try hard, and we should all believe a high IQ means you're destined to change the world without doing any hard work
IQ, just like race, exist, but it should be a judge of character or merit of how well a person can achieve.
>>79485003
1-800-eww-jews
>>79484838
Ask yourself this: What do the natural constraints of winters do to those who live under them?
Do you not see were selective pressures would fit in here?
It's not all about that, of course. I do also subscribe to the theory of genetic pacification and agriculture as contributing factors to IQ.
>>79484672
>It's like convincing a handicapped kid in a weelchair that he can become a world class athlete if he "works hard enough"
Exactly. You don't want to give a kid an IQ test and then go "well, you're fucked, kid," but at some point you are just lying to them and wasting their time.
>>79484971
Wow, you're stupid. Arabs were doing better in the ME under British rule, yes. Has nothing to do with Israel.
>>79484918
All right mr. science man, please refute the countless studies done during the previous century which shows a persisting white black average iq gap in the american population of 15 points.
>>79485169
lol you are butthurt. Who bombed the British out of Palestine prematurely to set up their faggy little fantasy land?
Why can't Israelis be even moderately impartial about the impact of their little zionist project on the world around them?
>>79484909
Nothing about the heritablity of of IQ is avoided. There is data published every year about it. The debate is the percent.
People just like to pretend that because IQ might be highly heritable that this implies the IQ gap is 100% caused by genetics. As I alreaday said, how heritable IQ is does not imply the gap is caused by genetics.
Let me try to explain. Image the world were all virtually clones of each other. Even if IQ were 99% heritable in this hypothetical world, any variations in IQ could most likely be caused by environmental influences.
This entire thread shows how most people, including yourself, don't understand genetics. It is not something deterministic. It's always about gene-environment interaction, even as Steven Pinker points out. I actually suggest you read his book, The Blank Slate.
>>79484838
Cold Winter theory is very simple: warm blooded, warm climate adapted humans drifted North in search of game, and perished unless they could hunt, cope with the climate, and plan wisely so as to live from one winter to the next. Hence, survivors had more forethought, more behavioural restraint regarding immediate gratification, and a whole lot of other changes to help them adapt to hunting and later farming in cold climates.
>>79484842
>Become the best you can with the best of your abilities and effort.
That's fine. But a person with an IQ of 80 will never become win an award for physics. Becoming the best you can be doesn't mean you can actually become the best compared to others.
A person who has an IQ of 80 who applies himself will never get to the level of a person with an iq of 150 who applies himself.
>>79484869
>the chances of someone with an 80 being a groundbreaking quantum physicist are fucking astronomical.
There are still other means of becoming successful that doesn't involve becoming a scientist. It isn't cruel to tell everyone to do the best they can do and try to acheive the best they can. Becoming the best scientist ever might be impossible, but it doesn't mean they can't find something they're really good at and succeed in that field.
It doesn't fucking mean a person with an IQ of 80 is doomed for life to live in their parents basement for example. Knowing you have a low IQ isn't supposed to be a death sentence for life and to tell everyone that they can't achieve anything.
>lol you have a low IQ, I guess you can't become the best scientist, so why even try anything?
>>79485129
If you can't provide me with scientific evidence, you're just going to shut the fuck up and admit that you're making up bullshit on an anime image board because you don't like black people.
>>79485094
>That's still just using extreme hyperbole reject hard work
It's not extreme hyperbole. People who aren't smart (iq > 110 say) will never ever win a physics nobel prize no matter how hard they work. Even brilliant people study physics and work super hard will probably never win a noble prize. So a fucking retard? Lmao.
I never said that low IQ people are worthless. That's just you strawmanning because you have 0 arguments. I'm just in favor of recognizing the fact that people are limited in what they can do by their intellectual capabilities, which is, if you left your liberal university campus and actually talked to regular people, something they instinctively know.
>>79485188
I'm not denying there is any IQ gap.
Provide with evidence that the gap is somehow caused by drastic differences genetics that contradicts everything we can scientifically verify about human genetic variation.
>7:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0XjprHbv4
>>79485278
Now you're just bumbling. Just stop posting, alibaba. Israel is tiny. Brits left huge territories, that were somewhat stable only due to brutal dictatorships. Now it's all going to shit.
>>79485316
It's not a theory. A theory is something that already has some established scientific basis. Evolution is a theory. Gravity is a theory.
This idea is not a theory.
test
>>79485311
>any variations in IQ could most likely be caused by environmental influences.
And these variations, due to the highly heritable nature of Iq in such a world, would be minuscule.
I suggest you read "the bell curve"
>>79484918
I never said lets ignore the science, buddy. Do you need a panel of PHD's everytime you make an observation in life to confirm it's true. The science of it is obviously important, but I mean I don't need a scientist to tell me a ball is round. I can make that through simple observation. Just like I can make a pretty simple observation that as a human, it's more difficult to survive in the cold than the warm. Now I'm asking you, through your observations, and what you know about humans, which climate do you think it's harder to survive in?
>>79485419
If you want evidence look at the correlation between latitude and IQ.
How about the IQs of Swedes compared to those of Algerians
How about the IQs of Koreans and the Japanese compared to the Vietnamese and Philippines.
>>79485400
>. It isn't cruel to tell everyone to do the best they can do and try to acheive the best they can
Of course. But that is not what you said, you dishonest nigger. You're backpeddaling.
>>79484997
Europe and North America have the highest IQs and are in the north.
Trying to say they have the highest IQs because they're in the north, and they're in the north because they have the highest IQs is circular logic. There is also still no causal link.
>>79485623
Now i'm just saying the same shit i've been saying all thread. The middle east as a region was doing much, much better before Israel existed.
Please take your muh correlation bullshit back to r@ddit where you will be more comfortable proudly posting under your zionist identity.
>>79485699
>in such a world, would be minuscule.
IQ is normalized so the differences would amount to essentially the same.
That's the definition of a bell curve.
Disregarding your misconception of IQ, the analogy I used was apt. Humans show a very low amount of overall genetic variation and most genetic variation is actually found within groups, not between them. To say that somehow a large number of our genes (since IQ is highly polygenic) somehow defies the overall findings would be absurd.
>>79480269
>>79478870
>>79477627
PC is probably pricipal component.
That means they combined a bunch of variables into two.
And this could mean there is a shitton of loss of information.
>>79485833
>and they're in the north because they have the highest IQs is circular logic.
I don't believe anyone in this thread made the claim that people live in the north because they have the highest IQ.
You guys are dumb.
Blacks are built for sport, like running and limited explosions.
That is because blacks actually have lighter muscles. While at the same time, whites muscles and fat folds over eachother because of the cold climate.
So blacks can build muscle mass easier. But whites can build stronger muscles.
Whites muscles basically have levels were they just keep folding over and over and over again with no gaps.
Blacks muscles form with pockets in the muscle tissues, which means they can make their muscles look more tone. But in reality their muscles are better for explosion (FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL), while White muscles built, usually with more fat, are more sturdy for weights.
Actually really interesting because our muscles were basically made for the environment we lived in.
>>79485542
There cannot be concrete evidence until the genes responsible for intelligence are discovered, which is still 20 to 30 years away. However, numerous factors point towards the fact that intelligence is genetic.
-intelligence is a result of the brain, and like any organ the brain is constructed from a genetic blueprint
-the heritability of IQ is around 80%
-the heritability of IQ among a population increases when you equalize environmental factors.
-but most important of all, the contribution of the shared environment to the variation of IQ is 0.
I'd like to stress this last point. Despite the claims that intelligence is influenced by the environment, there hasn't been a single study showing a link between an environmental factor and intelligence (excluding the obvious such as malnutrition or brain trauma)
Now your turn. Show me the scientific evidence that intelligence is molded by the environment.
>>79480812
Nigger, all jews except ahskenazi a d arab/druze are the same fucking thing.
Genetically the groups in palestine/israel are the same.
Except ashkenazi because theyre european and unique(closest genetically to italians FYI)
>>79485846
>take your logical thinking and facts to reddit
>>79485774
I give up on this maplenigger. Can't even stick to a coherent point. I started saying certain career fields have an IQ floor, which he disputed, and now he's down to
>just because you don't have an IQ of 150 doesn't mean you can have a job
This guy obviously just wants to preserve his ideology. Thanks for backing me up, Nip pal. Apologies for the nukes, I always thought the 2nd one was unnecessary.
>>79479600
Nope. Men have a wider spread.
>>79481041
Get reevaluated. And not from some bullshit online IQ renderer.
>>79486107
>IQ is normalized so the differences would amount to essentially the same.
After normalization. When comparing two different groups you don't normalize the IQs of each group, you set one group to 100 and compare the rest to this group. It wouldn't make much sense comparing black and white IQ if you normalized the black IQ to 100 now would it?
>le lewontin fallacy maymay
I didn't know such uneducated people frequented /pol/. Shoo shoo.
>To say that somehow a large number of our genes (since IQ is highly polygenic) somehow defies the overall findings would be absurd.
Why would it be absurd? Do you believe that the fact that western africans dominate certain athletic events relying on burst speed isn't due to genetics? Because obviously musculat and skeletal growth are highly polygenetic.
>>79486470
lol australians get a bad rap. This is shitposting.
>>79486186
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0030320
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000178
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.html
Yea that was hard
>>79486616
>le lewontin fallacy maymay
The meme is that you retards keep pretending that Lewontin was somehow wrong. Even Edwards, the economists that wrote the critique, admitted the data was correct but tried to claim you could still divide humans into races. And he was wrong.
See. Here's the thing about science. It's repeatable and verifiable. Don't believe the results? Do the experiment yourself. The facts of human genetic variation are repeatable and demonstrable through science.
Even when people like you try to refuted them you don't even read your own links and get refuted by them.
>>79480548
>>79486678
None of the studies you linked show a causal relation between specific environmental factors and intelligence. The last one even says in the abstract that IQ is 80% heritable ffs. Did you even read them?
>>79486506
Yeah I guess it's proven that maple syrup consumption lowers IQ. Anyways, I'm out too.
>>79482808
You're very close. But I'm afraid you just aren't honest with yourself enough yet.
>>79486912
They all show strong relationships between environmental factors and IQ. One even says no trait is 100% heritable. Did you even read them ffs?
>>79486912
Also, here's some more "maymays" you're not going to like
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271140/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.10079/abstract;jsessionid=F7CE43E76C6B6AF7D965CF1A2F1C7E34.f02t03
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707610015
http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1436.html
>>79486873
He wasn't wrong, it's just that the way you interpret it is wrong.
You do know that Lewontin's argument also holds for dog breeds, right? There is more genetic variation within dog breeds that between them.
But what you ignore is that THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT. What is important is WHAT is the genetic variation between dog breeds, NOT ITS QUANTITY.
KYS
>>79487063
I didn't interpret anything wrong. I quoted the paper word for word.
He way it was posted in the picture was an incorrect interpretation.
>>79485542
See IQ heritability studies on twins. Basically, they study identical twins that grow up in very different environments, one shit, one great. Remember that the genetics of identical twins are, well, identical.
If you put one of them into a high-IQ family from birth, raised identically to the other high-IQ children, they still show a large IQ gap.
A gap large enough to say that, in general, IQ is heritable rather than environmental.
>>79486995
I just clicked on the first study and it has nothing to do with IQ, it's just a cunt whining about race because racial boundaries are a bit fuzzy.
It seems you're at the point where you're just linking to random articles as if that somehow constitutes an argument. It just shows how shallow your arguments are, resorting to linking random articles.
>>79487263
They all pertain to race and genetics... you know.. this "lewontins fallacy" meme you keep throwing at me.
I can tell how shallow your arguments are by the endless stream of insults.
It must be hard for you to deal with reality.
>>79487363
At least I'm not stupid enough to believe that chihuahuas and german shepherds are identical in every way because there is more genetic variation within these breeds than between them.
>>79487261
And there are plenty of studies that show the opposite effect as well. Children adopted across different continents will take on the average IQ of their adopting country. Similarly, the IQ of immigrants after one or two generations takes on the average of the country they immigrated to.
>>79487511
Dogs were selectively bred by humans, genius. They were bread specifically to look different.
>>79487531
https://rpadgett.butler.edu/ps320/coursedocs/Richardson-Norgate.pdf
Since the 1920s a now-familiar pattern of results has emerged from such studies:
IQs of adopted children appear to correlate more with those of biological mothers
than with adoptive mothers or adoptive fathers.
[...]
Th
e more recent Colorado Adoption Project (CAP) replicated this general pic-
ture, as shown in table 3 [Plomin, Fulker, Corley, & DeFries, 1997]. Th
is study includ-
ed a control group of normal families matched to the adoptive families for a number
of demographic factors. As can be seen, the correlation between the adopted children
and their biological parents almost doubled, from less than 0.2 to nearly 0.4 in the
period when the children were 14–16 years old, while the adoptive parents-adopted
children correlation remained around 0. Finally, all of these studies report IQ correla-
tions between adopted children and other children in the same family signifi
cantly
lower than those between natural siblings, even though (it is assumed) they are shar-
ing the same environment.
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