So when did /pol/ become so obscenely authoritarian? I thought were all libertarians here?
>>79475716
We aren't.
>>79475716
You had your chance, libertarianism obviously doesn't work. Take your open borders "freedom" and fuck off.
>>79475716
When did /pol/ become even remotely authoritarian? You're thinking of 8 /pol/
from my perspective you're the authoritarian
>>79475716
>I thought were all libertarians here?
You want to destroy the first world by letting the third world invade it and suck it dry until there is nothing left but Brazilified nations that were once good.
>>79475716
larping as naizs on the internet is more fun
Why do you support feeding the bears?
>>79475716
we can be libertarian when all niggers and kikes are dead desu senpai
>>79475932
>Trump generals
>Libertarians/ancaps are openly mocked on a daily basis
Seems pretty authoritarian to me anon. Pic mildly related.
>>79475716
>/pol/ collectively shares one opinion
I want libertarianism within our borders. This isn't possible with mass immigration, because most immigrants are for big government and welfare.
>>79476139
>trump is an authoritarian
Fuck off summerfag. I'm now #HillaryArtillery
>>79475716
What if I'm neither?
>>79476016
Third world subhumans would not come here if there wasn't welfare. And the US has over 11 million illegals already. Border protection works about as well as gun control.
>>79476034
this
>/pol/ is one person
Only a faggot deals in absolutes
have you been gone for 4 years? the last era /pol/ was mainly libertarian was 2012ish. after the reboot with country flegs it's been very much nationalist/right wing/traditional conservative/WN
welcome to 2011, SRS.
>>79476139
Maybe if they understood that without borders you have no country then libertarianism can be looked at seriously
>>79476410
A few months before /pol/ harbor it was maybe half libertarian, half nazi. There were a few memes involving that that don't get posted anymore
>>79475716
>So when did /pol/ become so obscenely authoritarian? I thought were all libertarians here?
Literally the second rand paul put on a yamika.
Libertarianism was only cool here because they believed daddy paul was gonna name the Jew
Blame neo/pol/. The balance of statism and freedom no longer exists.
t. oldfag
>>79476300
newsflash: people move where money is. even without bennies huge amounts of latinos would be trying to get into the US illegally. Mexicans have been immigrating to the United States in fairly large numbers since the 1940s, before the welfare state even really existed.
>>79476015
Underrated
>>79476189
>I want libertarianism within our borders
This guy gets it. The cultural/social benefits of fascism + the economic benefits of free trade.
>>79475716
I am a libertarian. Freedom of association which means I'd be allowed my business to explicitly refuse niggers, spics, chinks, heebs and protestants.
100% guarantee you there wouldn't be an immigration problem if the people, instead of our (((government))) were allowed to shoot trespassers.
>>79476577
Good one.
>>79476577
It's a historical abnormality to have huge numbers of people moving around
>>79476718
All that welfare stuff started in the mid-60s.
>>79476649
thats basically just nazism. before the literal global warfare they really didnt interfere that much besides running communist shaming propaganda campaigns
>>79476300
>Border protection works about as well as gun control
Gun control does work faggot. When you have anti-gun laws the citizenry has fewer firearms.
If you had people shot for owning a gun there would be less guns around.
What they don't really prevent is murders and suicides, because they just use other means. But you know what does reduce murders? Punishments for murderers.
When you increase the punishment and difficulty for illegally immigrating, they will stop doing it as much. If we reduce them they will increase.
Try to increase your knowledge on the subject more than bumper sticker level.
>>79476718
Does this include undocumented?
Either way, I'm not saying that the welfare state doesn't encourage it even more, I'm saying that it alone isn't the reason.
One of the big reasons it jumps in the 80s is because Reagan pulled a merkel, and of course the 90s spike is because of NAFTA.
Things like migration are rarely caused by one thing, they are multicausal. You can't just say Welfare is THE reason.
>>79476867
>It's a historical abnormality to have huge numbers of people moving around
>>79476718
That couldn't have anything to do with this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
>>79477110
Proving my point
>>79476867
I disagree. What about the 200,000 Hungarians who came to Canada in the 1950s?
What about the 300,000 Ukrainians who came to Canada in the 1900-1930 time period?
>>79476718
Friedman was wrong about welfare and immigration. Most intelligent libertarians have stopped making this argument. Please stop spouting embarrassing us.
>>79477125
This exactly. Thanks government!
>>79477110
>India's arrow is brown
>>79477195
>I don't understand how frequent migrations are
im like so super libertarian lol :3 *nommie noms feeties* dont tread on me hisss lol
>>79477110
>India is brown
>>79475716
It's called a vocal minority.
It's easy to understand why authoritarian are more aggressive in pushing their politics also.
>>79477110
>Arab slave trade completely glossed over again
Fucking leftist history.
>>79477110
Why was such care taken on where the jews went?
>>79477246
All French Canadians are descended from 10,000 colonists, and there are something like 15 million French Canadian-descended people in all of North America. I don't give a fuck about the rootless west.
>>79477402
There's only one arrow indicating where the jews went. It's noted because it's still a major migration.
Why do people think libertarians can't be nationalistic? It's just a common sense ideology.
Leave me alone and don't fuck up the country. It could not be more simple.
>>79477302
>the government loosens immigration laws
And libertarianism would solve this by... ending welfare for people that didn't get it then?
If you open borders white societies will get flooded by non-whites because white societies are just better and their societies don't give welfare either.
You'll have a massive crime wave but be unable to deal with it because the niggers cover for each other and since you need evidence to deal with the criminals it would be impossible to handle.
You'd have an invading army in your cities and nothing you could really do about it without violating "libertarian values".
>>79477352
>muh barbary corsairs
>>79477821
>Why do people think libertarians can't be nationalistic?
I have a libertarian leaning ideology if only whites are around because that's the only way it would function.
But a good deal if not most libertarians are petty and shortsighted and would bring their society to ruin with immigration and giving voting power to any moron that can cast a ballot.
>>79476139
> Libertarians are mocked openly
Everyone is mocked openly here, you faggot.
>>79477267
What is wrong with that argument?
>>79475716
Where have you been for the past two years? Having a life outside of a Congolese trawling forum?
>>79477543
>muh pure laine
pure fantasy. hundreds of thousands of catholic europeans immigrated to Quebec, mainly irish.
>>79475716
>thinking that /pol/ is one person
>>79478333
>le /pol/ isn't hivemind meme
>>79477842
Private property, no welfare, freedom to discriminate. A libertarian society allows communities that would, say, not allow blacks or hispanics to live or do business there.
Even if Trump gets elected, this won't ever happen. With "open borders" in a society where all property is private except for maybe a few of muh roads, where are these niggers going to go? Trespass on armed libertarian property? Use your head.
>>79478325
Because so many French Canadians have Irish last names, yeah? And you realise we have extensive genealogical records, right?
Vocal minority and silent majority, most libertarians here know it's right but just don't have the words to shut down the boot lickers
>>79475820
Libertarianism/authoritarianism spectrum does not cosect the cosmopolitan/nationalistic spectrum.
>>79476189
>>79477842
Cosmopolitan libertarians are easily shut down by using UAE as an example, if you're against welfare but okay with open borders, then how do you feel about how UAE treats its migrant workers who are desperate for jobs?
I'm a nationalistic libertarian. It's fair, equal competition within our state amongst our citizens, but I'm going to look for advantages and protectionism when they're competing against foreigners. Our first duty is to our voters.
>>79476410
Nah. Although Nazism was more obviously ironic back then.
>>79478075
This.
>>79478044
Libertarianism requires competition, winners and losers. It doesn't matter if there are non whites because if the market is fair and equal (except to incrementalise difficulty), then the most successful will excel despite their ethnicity.
If whites truly are superior, society will naturally tend towards whites in superior positions. In reality, it really doesn't matter especially if only brahmin and coastal Chinese migrate here instead of dalits and inland Chinese.
>>79478453
No you don't have freedom to discriminate because that means you're interfering with the liberties of whomever you're discriminating against.
Everyone must be judged absolutely by their merit.
What you're referring to is laissez faire capitalism and is specifically what neoliberalists/internet libertarians are against. It's why they're more likely to talk about tax cuts to the poor than to the rich.
>>79478044
Libertarian is a spectrum.>>79478044
>But a good deal if not most libertarians are petty and shortsighted and would bring their society to ruin with immigration
Once again, why do you think that?
>>79475716
Well, If I had two guesses. One would be the muslims raping and pillaging their way across Europe. My second guess would be the never ending stream of anti white propaganda being fed to the masses.
Do you have any other guess?
>>79478453
>Even if Trump gets elected, this won't ever happen
Trump isn't the be all end all of society.
And your vision is no more realistic than mine.
Immigrants will come, because they want low wages, which they will get because businesses love cheap labor.
Then their children will be born in the country and vote for more government to help them.
Open border libertarianism will always bring an end to itself now. Because the impediment to distant travel is almost negligible.
>>79478430
see
>>79478075
>>79478736
>No you don't have freedom to discriminate because that means you're interfering with the liberties of whomever you're discriminating against.
Nope. Libertarianism doesn't give people positive rights e.g. YOU MUST SERVE ME but only negative rights e.g. I DO NOT HAVE TO SERVE YOU.
>>79478325
What's more common to see is that you'll have your typical Jean Tremblay being fully of French descent yet LARPing about his supposed Irish and Native ancestors.
/pol/ has always been filled with tinfoilers
>>79475716
>I thought were all libertarians here?
libertarians are just democrats who dont want to be called liberals
>>79475716
Your cuck candidate Ron Paul was never liked on /pol/.
>>79478921
>then their children will be born in the country and vote for more government to help them.
Although I don't represent all libertarians, voting isn't the final form of libertarian society. Prior to the civil rights act, businesses did have signs refusing service to Jews and Blacks. That was a private matter handled in a libertarian way.
But thanks to government, I'm required to serve them even though I don't want to.
>>79475716
When the Christians came.
>>79478927
That's a straw man. You literally want to pretend laissez faire is what we're arguing for and if anyone agrees you'll then reset your IP or take a proxy and yell "this shit caused the great depression."
Contemporary libertarianism is about equal opportunities as a pathway to equality rather than equal outcome.
But sure, do tell me what I believe. Label my ideology for me.
>>79478797
>Once again, why do you think that?
Because they say that. Gary Johnson, the head of the US libertarian party says that.
>>79479059
>voting isn't the final form of libertarian society
Somebody has to be chosen to dole out violence when it needs to be done.
>>79475716
Im an anarchist (Trump voter). Clearly you don't know /pol/ as well as you think
>>79479030
>libertarians are just democrats who dont want to be called liberals
The LP in the US panders to the left, but libertarianism is diametrically opposed to what Democrats think.
>No economic regulations
>No environmental regulations
>No taxes
>No safety net
>No non-discrimination laws
You have to be pretty fucking retarded to think that sounds like the Democratic party platform.
Get that fedora of a philosophy away from me.
/pol/ thrives off of being contrarian, I would expect a swing back toward the center or even left when the Trump hype dies down.
>>79478075
>disagreeing with you means mocking and shitting on you
>>79479059
Jim Crow was literally the law in the South. Most companies in every other part of the country served both whites and blacks (and why wouldn't they?)
>>79479030
>libertarians are just democrats who dont want to be called liberals
Really makes ya think
>>79479302
>/pol/ thrives off of being contrarian
Now this is a meme that needs to die.
>>79478736
>Vocal minority and silent majority
this doesn't really work on an imageboard
>Nah. Although Nazism was more obviously ironic back then.
absolutely wrong newfag. 2012-2013 /pol/ was nazi as hell and very serious, much more so than after /pol/harbour. a lot of them went to 8pol.
libertarianism was only ever big on /pol/ because Ron Paul was seen as an alternative to (((neocons))) and liberals.
>>79479058
>I'm 11.
>>79479100
Well I can only argue for myself, but generally speaking, Libertarianism boils down to letting people do as they wish as long as they aren't aggressing against others.
Not a straw man to invoke the principle when YOU think that people don't have freedom to discriminate in libertarian society. But there are a lot of leftist libertarians out there, maybe you are one of them.
>>79479130
Yes, violence needs to be doled out. And it is better doled out by the individual than the government.
>>79479410
Because I'd rather not serve both, especially modern day blacks?
>>79479417
>democracy
>a variant of communism
>mfw
Hoppe is a moronic proto-fascist. He is understandably way outside the mainstream libertarian thought.
>>79479302
you'd be very wrong, things will swing further to the extreme right. you can already see this with /pol/ distancing itself from milo and brietbart.
>>79479484
>this doesn't really work on an imageboard
Absolutely does. Massive amounts of lurkers give no fucks what public opinion looks like and simply dont share their thoughts. This is super clear on /a/ for example
t. Didn't read your conversation
>>79475716
The only practical path to a libertarian society is via global fascism. Not hard to understand.
>>79479638
i don't consider pure lurkers to be "a part" of /pol/ really. how would you know at all what opinions the lurkers here have anyway?
>>79475716
>So when did /pol/ become so obscenely authoritarian? I thought were all libertarians here?
when we figured out open boarders doesn't work and spics and niggers are subhuman filth
>>79479100
I mean, I am looking at your flag, but holy fuck I want to bite your bait so bad right now.
Libertarians are absolutely against all infringements of private property including and not limited to anti-discrimination laws.
Dingo ate the baby.
>>79476300
a wall with automatic gun turrets would work pretty well
>>79479591
He's right. It was great to start, but we should create a fascist state shaped by the ideals of our founding fathers.
They entrusted the constitution to the democratic process and future generations have failed them by seeking to corrupt and destroy it. And we allowed it to happen under our noses.
Democracy gave rise to a truly beautiful America, but can we survive? Now that women and niggers are voting? Is it possible to overcome that much ignorance?
>>79479473
Lol okay hotshot, it's been like that since /n/
>>79479599
The pendulum always swings back
>>79476300
>Third world subhumans would not come here if there wasn't welfare.
Flat out wrong. Stop repeating this bullshit. If you are so worried about "muh white race" become a fascist and spare the libertarian community your fucking stupidity.
>>79479738
>how would you know at all what opinions the lurkers here have anyway?
I've been here since 04, it's like im reading code in the matrix. I just know. I can sense when our community sinply 'lets trolls win' for example.
>>79476505
>>79476410
I think after they stole the election from Ron Paul in 2012 and Rand ended up being a cuck we all figured out its time to get tough.
No retreat, no surrender.
How could you say no to this authoritarian mustache forever? I challenge you to find a single libertarian with a better mustache
![march-2004 [1600x1200].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/16vOGUV.jpg "march-2004 [1600x1200].jpg")
>>79479591
Monarchy is to a privately owne business, as democracy is to a collectively owned business.
Democracy is the collectivization (usually violent) of a government firm.
Hoppe is not a fascist, fascism is demotist and marxoid. Hoppe is a reactionary anarcho-capitalist.
>>79475716
"We"
The fuck do you not understand about "anon"?
>>79479574
>And it is better doled out by the individual than the government
>no proper trial
>lynch mobs
>blood feuds
>tyranny pops up anyway because the village can't stand against a small army
No. Ancapism is a delusional fantasy.
>>79479855
/n/ and /new/ didn't get shut down by moot for being so leftist.
You're looking at them through selective lenses.
>>79480037
I don't care what stupid bullshit you use to justify your coercive nonsense. We already tried monarchies and they failed. Stop getting mad because brown people scare you. If the white race dies out it will be because idiots like Hoppe and other "reactionaries" (fascists) can't compete with them in the marketplace and therefore have no business existing in the first pace.
>>79480224
>>no proper trial
>>lynch mobs
>>blood feuds
Oh wow you are the first person to come up with these objections to how justice would be provided in an ancap society. Well looks like you got us, I am now a National Socialist!
>>79479130
>Gary Johnson, the head of the US libertarian party says that.
Fuck him then. The libertarian party is just a bunch of controlled opposition so that's no surprise.
Everyone here is a libertarian race realist that sees the necessity to physically remove commits and nonwhites before the world is ready to begin libertarianism (but only in geographic areas containing whites)
>>79479599
No. There's nothing right-wing about being a conspiracy theorist.
>>79480472
>libertarianism works only after we done non-libertarian things!
Just like the commies
>>79480561
To be fair most libertarians do not think that way. It's only the fascist "libertarians" here on /pol/.
>>79480561
libertarian's end goal is the same as the communist end goal
>>79480373
>Well looks like you got us
Well regardless of whose said them before, you haven't listed any sort of solution to them.
>>79480561
Commies also drank water and built things.
Most people don't actually care about some vague association with a a group we don't particularly agree with.
>>79476139
wtf i hate trump now. i am now #cuck4hill
>>79480472
I'm a libertarian race realist, but I don't want to strip innocent citizens of rights.
There are dozens of policies that can fix demographic issues.
Change immigration policy.
Deport criminals to Africa.
A business that pays people to sterilize themselves. Only degenerates will accept.
>>79480484
shlomo please
>>79480336
The nature of coercion is that it requires no justification.
"We" didn't try monarchism as some sort of collective experiment and they didn't fail, they were overthrown due to a virulent religious heresy. You can't help using democratic language. "We tried".
Brown people do scare me, but that doesn't make me mad. Faggots like you do.
If the white race dies out, there will be no marketplace in libertarian form.
>>79480870
Also sterilize violent criminals. Simple things like this would do wonders.
>>79475716
I'm libertarian with how the government handles US citizens, and authoritarian with how it handles immigrant subhumans.
>>79479374
yes?
>>79480744
Here you go. Very basic reading which you obviously haven't done.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/10/stefan-molyneux/the-stateless-society-an-examination-of-alternatives/
>>79480901
Got a problem with the term, "conspiracy theorist?"
How would you describe people who believe in the Jewish conspiracy?
Explain how it's right wing while you're at it. Not everything is political, let alone left or right.
>>79475716
Libertarians are literally retarded, you want a society that would turn you into slaves then import the third world to replace you once you don't have kids because you can never afford them. You don't care about genes or families at all. You serve the economy god even to the death of your own people and way of life. Fuck libertarians.
>>79481309
>Get rid of government
>Obviously you only care about money now
Have you ever talked with a libertarian?
>current year
>being libertarian
>>79481079
This covers civil lawsuits.
Not criminal ones.
>man stabs my brother
>I saw him do it
>he denies it
>his family believes him and protects him
Option A
>get justice anyway
>his family gets revenge for their own justice
Option B
>do nothing and a murderer can murder again
It only deals with civil disputes assuming both agree to bring it to the table.
Not violent criminal investigation, let alone any sort of organized gang violence or extortion.
>>79475716
They're just larping.
>>79475716
around the time reddit started invading
>>79475716
In 2009 leading Libertarian Peter Thiel came to a conclusion that echoed across the Libertarian ideological movement: Liberty is no longer compatible with democracy. Plato was right. Democracy is fucking degenerate and will destroy everything we have built.
The natural redpill path is cuckservative > libertarian > fascist/extreme nationalist (where most of /pol/ rests now) > Traditionalist.
>>79477125
This was the piece of legislation that killed America.
>>79482246
I know he drones on, but the murder question specifically here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIwu9IoHu3k
Even though the article basically covers your objection which is an indictment of either your ability to read or your comprehension.
>>79482390
Thiel is still a Libertarian. Supports Trump this year, as I do, but there's NO incompatibility between a race realist exclusionary society and libertarianism unlike what dumbshits like >>79481309 suggest.
Libertarianism is for 20 year olds who have grown to hate political correctness and leftism but don't have the strength to give up their personal vices like weed and porn.
It's a shitty halfway house. And no, you can't have some kind of "White libertarianism" with strict border controls. Free movement of peoples is literally one of the cornerstones of free markets and capitalism.
Uninhibited markets are destructive to nation states and culture, they are degenerate. Only a limited form of capitalism, subservient to the state, is acceptable.
>>79479696
RARE
>>79482927
>Only a limited form of capitalism, subservient to the state, is acceptable.
This is what we have now. It's shit.
>>79483209
No we don't, all the nation states of the world are bending over backwards to accomodate big business. The reason the entire western elite is so voraciously pro-immigration is precisely because it's making them all rich.
>>79475716
We grew up and saw past the Allies lies we were fed in school. Hitler was right.
>>79483424
Which is why big businesses are exempt from minimum wage laws, exempt from paying health insurance and social security, and why the biggest 2000 corporations aren't paying 86% of all corporate taxes.
k
this sounds like a bunch of lazy fucks who realize that a real libertarian society would mean that they would have to compete fairly. and they'd probably lose out, since they're lazy, fat, poorly-educated, entitled losers.
>muh real libertarian society
>no welfare of any kind
>having to work, compete and out-perform to feed yourself/your family, or get ahead
>real competition for every possible job/good/position
>jose, tariq and zhang wei work harder, are more dedicated, and create a better end-product than you
newsflash, fat losers: real libertarians care about freedom and non-interference, not
>muh superior white genes
They're under the impression that having the government stomp on their balls constantly will make their lives more interesting.
>>79484183
maybe the browns would make better products but given the fact that modern inventions and products were overwhelmingly developed by whites, I'd say we'd be fine.
newsflash, there are racialist libertarians. I don't mind buying Chinese goods, but don't want them living in my neighborhood.
>>79484535
no shit, people who create new useful inventions, or more efficient means of production, would be rewarded handsomely in a libertarian society.
so you wouldn't have to worry - since you're white, you'd obviously invent something new and amazing, or optimize an existing manufacturing process with your gifted white brain. since you're white, you're already an engineer i assume.
what have you invented lately? you personally of course. libertarians don't care about what your race has accomplished, just you personally.
