UK in tatters
It's almost as if there aren't and never have been international visas for people just like scientists to have movement within and outside of the EU.
For people with a high level of education, they're surprisingly inept at educating themselves.
>>79270896
>a remain supporter who happens to have a certain profession makes up bs because he is butthurt
What else is new?
>>79270896
Just use scihub 2bh
>>79270896
How did america into science then? Or the swiss? Or any pre eu nation??
I was at a scientific conference until yesterday and everyone who is currently in the UK - both brits and non-british euros - was absolutely desperate. A lot of pain.
Somewhat selfishly, I'm thinking: this is good for me, because it means the EU science grant money and the scientists who'd otherwise come to the UK will partially come to Germany. But I also do feel for my British colleagues.
When an entire country falls for a meme. This is what is looks like.
>>79271034
They likely know that, but they are using their status to push their politics.
>>79271187
>Or the swiss
Well you do understand you've in fact signed up to fully free movement of people according to EU law?
>How did america into science then?
Partially by being approximately the size of the EU by itself.
Man isn't it crazy how much stuff will go down without the EU?
How did the world even function before the EU?
>>79271034
fpbp
>>79271208
The EU gives a lot of money to universities etc.
Unsurprisingly all the unis and the students and staff therein are rabidly pro EU.
No corruption here at all...
>>79271298
Many fall for their own memes.
Or their projects are based on such shaky premises they need EU bucks to get off the ground.
Also, "high educated" also counts people with arts degrees. Something else the EU puts money into.
>>79270896
Obviously we can't just have a free movement agreement for scientists.
That just wouldn't work.
No, we need a European army, a European government, a European central bank, and a European currency.
It's like McDonalds, you can't just order one burger. You are legally obliged to always buy every single item on the entire menu
>>79271321
>Uk, Germany, and most of the rest of Europe all world leaders in science before the EU was even dreamed of
>Suddenly, if you listen to certain crowds, every single aspect of our civilisation is in peril unless we sign over control to Brussels...
>>79271187
>How did america into science then?
They accepted all the jewish scientists from Europe during WW2.
LOL the idea that science is global is a meme. I mean sure there are a shitskin of foreigners in Sweden's universities, but they are shitskin (from non EU countries!), they are total failures just like their home countries. Truth to be told, part of the reason why Medical science has become so ineffective the past years is the massive influx of shitskins who simply destroy the cohesion you need in a research team to be succesfull.
This guy ís just another fanatic who refuse to accept reality because he prefers his delusional marxist fantasy world from the hippie era.
>>79270896
SO they are paying off scientists to blatantly lie to people like we do now. Nice.
>>79270896
wow it's almost like scientific research did not exist before the EU
Brexit ended up being a giant failure to be honest
>>79270896
>>79271697
Why's that?
>>79270896
you aquire a passport and a visa. then you move to the country where youll do scientific work. later youll return to your home.
Throw everything away and blame it on immigration.
be like britain (Y)
>>79271344
what's really weird is how much stuff can get completely fucked up by the UK leaving the EU. I'd have thought the EU was a strong group of countries that are self sustaining while also helping each other, but apparently they were all completely relying on the UK as their packmule and with the brits gone, the house of cards is crumbling.
>>79270896
Thank god that not all science is unanimous. There is much more shitflinging in that community than there is elsewhere.
I also really doubt that you technically need freedom of terrorist movement for your research, the lab rats dont rely on that... its just some kike professor probably pushing this shit.
>>79271499
No, you can't have an à la carte meal. You must take everything on the menu.
t. Junker
Research fags are parasites
>>79270896
>implying that in 5-10 years everything wont be done offsite via VR controlling robots
What world do you live in
>>79270896
>nurse
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>79271383
>science founding
>corruption
Never seen real corruption I suppose
>>79271187
US say my polish degree is worth jack shit...
>>79270896
>non-us scientists
Who the fuck cares?
We have the internet now. Instant worldwide communication and data-sharing platform. Why do you need to travel to research? Seems atavistic.
>>79270896
This cunt never heard of a thing called the internet or a video conference? Also an qualified researcher would be let in on a temp visa anyway I assume. Can I have a before comments and after comments shot of his yearly budget?
The EU should not of been created in the first place, but jumping ship is even worse.
>>79271969
>Literal bribery is not corrupt...
Wew
>Free movement
>Economic Community
>Defensive alliance
Are good things
>Rapefugee quotas
>Centralization of power
>European army
Are bad things
The EU wants you to believe that you can't have any of the former without the latter.
Everything the EU does is to bring forth a United States of Europe.
Get out while you can.
>>79270896
>migrant intellectuals
>>79270896
>What is a visa
>>79271697
>>79271641
>>79271596
>>79271588
>>79271566
>>79271530
>>79271499
>>79271489
>>79271383
>>79271365
>>79271344
Name one study the EU has funded that has been beneficial to us and is worth our EU contributions.
Also please, tell me how studies about climate change (that push up our energy cost with green taxes etc making us noncompetitive with China, destroying our steel industry etc) and social science studies like how a 3 year old can be transgender don't fuck us up further?
MUHHHH SCIENCEE, I LOVE SCIENCE, ALL SCIENCE IS THE SAME, DERP DERP DERP I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE, MUH SCIENCE FUNDING.
You are all neck beard "I fucking love science" tier idiots who don't understand the science industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGRP2mu0GA
>>79270896
Good. Fuck the government funded science shills.
>>79270896
>everyone in England is now grounded and not allowed to leave the country or talk to other people
Fuck
Off
>UK Scientists on suicide watch
>>79271969
>"this corruption isn't corrupt enough for my standards!"
>>79272018
It's not corruption if you have no power.
One has to apply to get eu founding, and they are handled by research grump, not politicians
>>79271034
Got it in one.
If a scientist can't find a way to move around for the sake of research, chances are that their research isn't that important anyway
>>79272086
Why am I in that list? How did I say I support the EU or think science isn't totally corrupt.
Calm down nigger.
Free movement is just a logical fucking idea. Nobody wants to fuck around and wait to get a Visa.
>>79272086
Also I replied to random people just to make my post more visible.
>>79272086
Kek, this, I despise current state of science and the trust people blindly put into it, because some rando has a degree.
>>79271818
It's not just that. The Eu put its membrr into huge national debts. Thats why it works. Because countries like france keep taking loans
>>79272192
Yeah man mb I just replied to random people to make my post bigger see >>79272207
>>79272207
Have a (you), you giant fucking faggot
>>79271034
Maybe they are too thick to fill out the forms?
We were about to cure cancer, but we fell short by at least 500 Syrian immigrants
But scientific community is desperate yes, because EU funds many pointless studies. They are scared that maybe they will have to get into real research that is profitable and actually have to produce results if they want to keep being paid.
>>79272086
http://prostatecanceruk.org/for-health-professionals/latest-research
> Muh don't understand science, must be false
>>79272086
Here's your (you)
>i'm so observant, I objected to replies that were in agreement with me! That'll show 'em!
>>79272163
>It's not corruption if you have no power.
>Universities trying to influence national policy based on them receiving bribes from a foreign government is not a position of power.
>Universities in charge of the education of very large sections of the youth who are being influenced politically to further that university's desire for money is not a position of power...
>>79272189
Exactly. Liberalism is often just crutches for mediocre people
>>79270896
>Science
>Map of achievement.JPG
You'll be fine lad, stop complaining you will get your shekels.
>>79272378
>Fuck off Jew
>>79272296
>We were about to cure cancer, but we fell short by at least 500 Syrian immigrants
So the Germans have enough new test subjects to finally end cancer? Was that the plan all along? Genious
Right wing and their protectionist anti free trade/ free movement/ anti science bullshit is swinging me back left.
>>79271034
It's like they haven't taken five minutes to clearly think before whinging.
>>79272231
>I despise current state of science and the trust people blindly put into it, because some rando has a degree.
Indeed, people are so uninformed when it comes to things likes Science funding. They just hear "Science funding" and assume it is a good thing without looking into it further (where the money is coming from, what scientific studies are being funded, who chooses what studies get funded, what political motives do they have, is the funding being spent efficiently etc).
I know plenty people who were in non-EU countries for study and research and they had absolutely no problems.
>>79270896
They (media) are shilling the brexit doomsday stuff even harder than before the referendum over here and we aren't even in the fucking UK or the EU.
They are really trying to cause panic and crash the pound, as punishment and to create lepers out of any who might be in support.
It's extremely blatant and it's getting tiresome.
>>79272460
they're not any of those things
some just don't want criminals in their countries
>>79272189
Or maybe the people with the money don't think it is that important to them?
>>79272370
Reciving money is a factor to consider when making decisions, what else should one consider? Being paid to make decisions is corruption
>>79270896
>assblasted remainer makes up shit because he's a good little globalist
loving every laugh lads
>>79272341
Oh yes you are right, this one mediocre study is worth our Billions of pounds in EU contributions and becoming part of a totalitarian superstate.
>>79272347
Read this numbnuts >>79272207
>>79271588
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Science may not be global, but it sure as hell is international. If you don't believe me, just go to any technical school or research group in a proper field and see how many foreigners who work there.
>>79272644
I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
We've already done enough. It's someone else's turn.
This "staged moon landing" was a successful government program that was two steps forward for science.
>>79272667
>Name one contribution!
>Anon named one
>Hurdur well it is only one study!
You got btfo, deal with it
>>79272086
I worked a lot in EU-FP7 research projects. At a conference on public health, many pointed out that nothing really comes out of these projects. Millions and millions spent on FP7 projects and there is no real benefit to be seen.
In the end its bennies for pleb-tier universities. It works like this - bloated salaries and travel budgets are given to universities, for over-hyped work. The work is passed down to PhD or even masters students who do a mediocre job (they do it for free or very little). You have a better chance of teaming up with really shit Eastern European universities, as the Commission likes to see geographic diversity in projects. You can also pay them nothing, since their economies suck.
You travel around Europe for steering committee meetings, and have nice catering. You often do a few workshops or conferences with the budget, also well taken care of (hotels, restaurants).
The projects are assessed by a representative of the Commission, who doesn't give a shit. These representatives will change 3-4 times within the lifetime of a project. The evaluators don't really care and I've seen them let glaring mistakes pass by, because it doesn't matter.
It's a big fucking scam and of course researchers will howl in pain that their gravy train is coming to an end.
>The cure was right around the corner!
I say good riddance. Let research grants get more competitive.
Bullshit argument. You just need to actually hire natives and pay them a liveable wage.
As long as there's free communication and the internet, the only loss is cheap lab monkeys who are probably supporting rapist NEETs.
>>79272667
No opinion regarding the superstate thing. But science produces more than it costs. The difference is that it produces 20 years from now.
>>79270896
>we need more telentless hacks intruding in our countries to steal money from our resarch grants, those gender/social studies degrees don't pay for themselves
>>79272341
Also America is at the forefront of medical research and cancer survival because there are free market incentives, not tax funded inefficient crap.
>>79272893
This 100%
>>79272824
As a caveat to the above, I am talking about medical and engineering research. You should go investigate some of the FP-7 projects in sociology and humanities. That is REAL waste.
>>79270896
No it fucking doesn't.
>>79272695
>it's ok, I was only attention whoring
>>79272809
Or perhaps you have a low IQ and cannot comprehend how FUCKING WRONG YOU ARE.
Read this post from an Anon involved in the field.
>>79272824
>It's a big fucking scam and of course researchers will howl in pain that their gravy train is coming to an end.
>>The cure was right around the corner!
>I say good riddance. Let research grants get more competitive.
Read the whole post. None of you understand the science field and should keep you opinions out of it, just like the EU bureaucrats who are completely inefficient with how science should be funded.
>>79272767
Eu founding were there before, it's not like eu said "shit they are planning to leave, let's give money to 0.1% of their population".
Leaving cuts UK science founding in half. You may not give a fuck. They do, that is it. No conspiracy, no corruption >>79272922
There are countless of revolutionary discovery made under statal incentives
>>79272479
People who aren't in STEM fields are so science retarded that they literally shit themselves at the thought of trying to understand some new tech. If you have a science background at all this shit ends up being your life for the rest of your life because you have some foundation. Normies have no foundation at all.
It's like trying to explain new tech to your grandparents. Some people have based grandparents mind you.
>>79271489
>arts is stupid meme
Literally civilization would not be around if it weren't for the constant variable of art being a fundamental shaping influence. Music, pictures, poetry, dance, creativity in general - all of these things work to shape civilization from the heart on outwards. If you think art is a stupid meme then stop listening to music you fuck. See how good life is without art.
Serious question though, is the Pound going to go UP or DOWN???
>>79272824
Thank you based anon. Saved.
These other people really grind my gears for blindly believing these con artists just because they hide behind the cloak of "muh holy science".
>>79272893
>But science produces more than it costs. The difference is that it produces 20 years from now.
>>79273135
>There are countless of revolutionary discovery made under statal incentives
I am not saying it is impossible for the government to fund a good study, but overall it is completely inefficient (especially with the EU).
>>79273011
>You should go investigate some of the FP-7 projects in sociology and humanities. That is REAL waste.
I can only imagine what garbage they are unloading, and at such a high cost.
>>79273135
>Leaving the EU means less money for us.
UK's a net contributor m8. We put in a lot more than we get back.
If we so wanted we could INCREASE science funding outside of the EU. This argument might apply to some impoverished EU backwater, but not us.
What worries them is that what the UK might decide deserves funding is not the same as what the EU does. The UK is not anti-science - far from it- so it does make we wonder why certain scientists might be worried that their research funding will get the axe...
It's almost like they are on a gravy train and they know it...
>>79273121
>Shifts goalposts when getting called out
>calls other people stupid
Well played. That anon's post has nothing to do with you getting BTFO
>>79273081
No, I was wanting to stamp my foot down to destroy the barrage of propaganda.
>>79273346
Yes, it's expected that 80% of projects will not be productive, that is why there is corporate research and national research.
Corporate research makes safe research, that is know that will produce something.
But it does not usually produce enormous quantities.
National research goes for risky investment. They usually do not work out, but when they do, they repay 100 times all the wasted moneys
>>79272824
just like i imagined it looked like
money laundromat
good post
>>79270896
Get a visa you dumb cunt. It's really easy if you live in the civilized world.
>>79273559
Clearly it's my opinion against your, but if UK gave 1/10 of what eu did I would be surprised
>>79271383
> No corruption here at all...
This, pretty much. I'm a Bong scientist, and my Normiebook feed is full of other '''scientists''' boo-hoo-ing over Brexit and how "I no funding now ;__;" and reposting that letter from Hawking going "Smartest man alive says Remain, why are you all so ignorant!"
It's like... they cry blue murder 'til their eyes pop out about oil men pushing climate change denial 'cos they're "vested interests", but then there's exactly zero self-reflection when THEY'RE shilling for THEIR jobs.
They all deserve to go under, the mewling fucks, if they're this shit at critical thinking I don't much rate their research abilities.
>>79273224
>People who aren't in STEM fields are so science retarded that they literally shit themselves at the thought of trying to understand some new tech. If you have a science background at all this shit ends up being your life for the rest of your life because you have some foundation. Normies have no foundation at all.
Very true, this is what makes the "EU science funding" propaganda so pernicious. Any in-depth analysis goes way over the heads of average people.
>>79270896
That image triggers me
>>79273713
>I'm a Bong scientist
Weedman would be proud, and big advances in vaping tech coming?
Go to british UNI
Full of indians and chinese
Oy vey we need the EU for science
>>79273237
You're right, how could one ever live without this.
>>79273922
Try to be that kind of bong scientist in Singapore and they literally execute you desu.
Someone please send this image to Thundercuck's twitter (https://twitter.com/thunderf00t) and post the link here desus.
>>79273721
To be honest it does not. Economic arguments are much harder to grasp.
The science argument is just
>founding will sooner or later produce a fuckton of money. Maybe not even if your life time, but it will. More founding higher the chance of that happening sooner. If eu does not gib moneys UK research will become like the one of a second tier country
>>79273713
>I'm a Bong scientist,
REEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY
>exactly zero self-reflection when THEY'RE shilling for THEIR jobs.
So what should the proper response will be?
>>79271034
Do you know how much money, time and paperwork it takes to get a visa for ANY country, let alone first world one?
Fucking underage faggot.
Enjoy your dark age while Scotland and Serbia join the EU.
>>79274638
>Do you know how much money, time and paperwork it takes to get a visa for ANY country, let alone first world one?
>Fucking underage faggot.
He said to someone that migrated off similar papers from outside of the EU in under half a year with most papers being taken care of by an employer.
Do please tell me how difficult it is.
>>79274638
>Enjoy your dark age while Scotland and Serbia join the EU.
>Scotland
>Serbia
>dark age
>your
>>79272086
The EU funds lots of projects in physics and engineering. I know plenty of researchers and every single one of them receives full or partial funding from the EU. I suppose you could argue that all the money is really from the member countries anyway, but collaboration does make research more efficient. This is a well-known fact. Then again, the EU isn't really necessary for collaboration. CERN wasn't built by the EU.
>>79275535
Yeah I am not saying they haven't funded anything that was good, but they are politically motivated and spend the money inefficiently. Without the EU scientists will always find a way to collaborate (Unless their countries are at war with each other perhaps).
Its like the quote "If you only have a hammer, all problems look like a nail". The EU would argue they are needed for European cooperation in all fields (Including trade etc), when this is simply not the case.
>>79274638
>Do you know how much money, time and paperwork it takes to get a visa for ANY country, let alone first world one?
>Fucking underage faggot.
You must be an unemployed faggot, the company jew covers all the shit, my only responsibility is to keep my passport in order
>>79275879
Eu is generally much more efficient than national science projects, exactly because it can see the big picture and has departments that do only that
>>79270896
Wait... Since when was experimenting on humans legal?
Maybe we can ship some people in specifically to be experimented on or something?
>>79274638
yes i do, for a visa to japan.
it took me 15 minutes walking to city hall, wait there for 10 minutes before the clerk could help me only thing i had to do was sign a paper. then i paid 80 eurobucks i thought it was.
>>79274638
About 5 min for a short-term visa if you're a first-world citizen
>>79276043
>see the big picture
i.e Climate science.. I am ok...thanks.
>>79270896
We manage to contribute to scientific knowledge more than any other country and we don't need the EU. Stay the course, UK
>>79276324
No, I ment European shared assets, that cannot be controlled by single nations
>>79276350
Yeah as I was saying, America BTFOS all you puny EU science shills.. There is a reason why people go to America for the best medical care.
>>79276487
You don't need an EU to cooperate m8. Case in point: CERN or the ESA.
>>79276487
Shared assets?
>>79276350
Sweden is better than both America and the UK per capita ;>)
>>79271187
We took half the Nazi Scientists. Nazi + American science is unstoppable, imagine if we had worked together.
>>79272635
important research can always be commercialized
if "the people with the money" can't see any importance in it, it is not worthwhile research
>>79276601
Indeed, some people think we even need the EU just for business's to trade. What do people think will happen if EU bureaucracy burns? People won't want to trade anymore? All that is necessary is that rent seeking bureaucrats get the fuck out of the way.
>>79276601
Yes because cern is not a European asset.
If you expect eu to let you play with their toys, you do not understand Merkel
>>79270896
They need more test subjects, those fake cancer prevention "cures" aren't going to have enough dumbasses to buy them and besides human trafficking is going to suffer and less dead bodies will float on the shores, less test subjects overall. Lets import all those pesticides from USA and pretend that's beneficial and not just business.
>>79276726
>muh islamic golden age of science
>>79276726
Come back to me in 50 years ;3.
>>79271034
They'll be kicked out of the Erasmus programmes, probably. Work visas will also be way harder to get for less notable professors.
>>79271187
By accepting a ton of immigrants, German and Jewish scientists from Paperclip, and being the EU of the States. Politically the federal government is identical to the EU.
>>79276775
Name a major EU-specific asset that is unavailable elsewhere.
>>79270896
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-eu-idUSKCN0ZG0QW
>>79270896
I see a pol opportunity like the recent bot vote spamming. Start posting all sorts of inane shit claiming it needs free movement. free bowl movement!
>>79276847
>By accepting a ton of immigrants, German and Jewish scientists from Paperclip, and being the EU of the States. Politically the federal government is identical to the EU.
Incorrect actually, America has generated enough capital, provided a system where scientific research can flourish and the vast majority of prominent scientists were born in America.
>>79271383
That's like saying the Red Cross is corrupt. Universities use their funding for a greater good. Professors get paid the same.
>>79276889
>http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-eu-idUSKCN0ZG0QW
>>79270896
Okay...so how do countries not in the EU manage to have good scientific communities?
>implying scientists and researchers are banned from communicating with each other
Please, someone kill me ASAP. I'm done with this earth
>>79276570
> There is a reason why people go to America for the best medical care.
people conveniently ignore this in favour of """"""""""""""muh NHS"""""""""""""", the best way to cause lefty butthurt apart from being pro-brexit is supporting the privatization of the NHS
>>79270896
I would like these scientists to explain to me why we need free movement of unskilled workers, and people with no job at all, in order to support science.
>>79276834
You can try do the same ;>)
>>79276989
The red cross are not coming out and saying that we must remain within the EU in order for them to keep their bride money.
>>79276989
>Universities use their funding for a greater good.
>>79276847
If a country leaves the EU, it's open to more and potentially better professionals.
A company has to search for a minimum of 6 weeks to find an employee in the EU. If they can't find one qualified, then they can look outside (and often a reason is needed as to why any other applicants aren't "good enough").
Loophole for that is an international company moving someone from say America to France.
It's another bad form of protectionism to be honest.
>>79276775
you think there are no burger researchers at CERN right now?
>>79270896
wtf i hate brexit now
>>79277081
Ah yes desu, the holy cow NHS, we have some of the lowest cancer survival rates in Europe.
Holy fuck these people are nuts.
Has no one ever heard of getting a fucking visa? What's more, those of us in the first world can travel virtually anywhere save for a couple places like North Korea VISA FREE for 6 months and in some cases longer than that without nothing but our passport!
Jesus Christ these people are nuts.
>>79277150
ignore this
>>79276856
but answer this
>>79277100
I prob move if it get worse.
>>79277194
At some point your healthcare agency went from socialized medicine to a literal religion. I think there are people that worship the NHS.
So does Ebola
A) Aren't segments of the British pop largely over-qualified?
B) Isn't it really that much effort to register for visas?
>>79277194
the leftists are right in that the NHS is overstretched, they just refuse to acknowledge that it is this way because of the number of people being treated who shouldn't be treated, and the amount of unnecessary middle management
>>79277110
>words have meaning
If only I went into enormous debt so that I could attend a prestigious liberal University to learn this valuable information that I wouldn't have got from anywhere else.
>>79270896
If you don't permit unlimited migration of unskilled people, then science cannot be done.
>>79277285
It's literally just crying at this point. The leftists get beat in a major way for the first time in a generation or more and they can't handle what we feel daily.
>>79271976
Mexicans clean toilets there for cheaper
>>79277296
How's Malta? Never been but would like to go some day. You guys have great scuba diving spots apparently.
>>79276988
They're all sons of migrants or migrants or Jews. Feynman, Einstein, von Neumann, Minsky, Teller. Any American scientist I can list off my head seems to be in one of those categories. The best thing you can say about the US is that these men started a culture of science.
>>79277255
Yeah bro, remember the Olympics ceremony in the UK. Bloody idiots. Having known a close relative who died from cancer under NHS, I know how shoddy they are. He was even going for check ups and scans etc regularly, but they didn't spot the cancer until he went into hospital for an unrelated injury. When we asked the doctors why they didn't spot the cancer in earlier scans, their excuse was "the person looking at the scans was probably inexperienced".
>>79277285
at a guess a good 3/4 of millennials have a college education (including shit degrees) so yes, you could argue that a large part of the population is or will be overqualified due to ridiculous degree devaluation.
no, it isn't much effort, but people are very lazy. case in point - only around 40% of young people bothered to vote in the referendum at all.
>>79277286
Indeed, it is completely bloated. I actually know someone who worked in middle management at the NHS for about 20 years, they told numerous stories about how they waste vast amounts of money on failed new management schemes etc.
>>79277446
That's terrible, dude. Cancer is the fucking worst. :(
>>79277385
It's great for a holiday. Just keep in mind that things aren't as punctual as in Northern countries like the Netherlands or Germoney. I've also heard that tourists think we're friendly so there's that too.
>>79270896
>if we don't have free movement, how will we sponge off research grants?
Scientific research has become massively bloated. There are legions of shitty journals that exist purely to accomodate the massive glut of scientific papers being put out by desperate graduates. If your work is important and valuable, somebody will be willing to fund it, and you'll be willing to get a visa if you really need to move to Europe. This 'story' is nothing more than a bunch of nobodies butthurt they've lost their tickets to the gravy train.
>>79277121
Wouldn't that be a help to British scientists looking for jobs?
>>79274491
>So what should the proper response will be?
How about waiting for a minute like reasonable adults to see what the post brexit deal really means for science rather than misery wanking to death over a complete speculative assumption that science funding is doomed.
>>79276856
Clearly there is nothing that exists only ln Europe
I have to admit I thought eso and to some degree esa was part of eu.
But when I talked about big picture of was talking about stuff like https://rio.jrc.ec.europa.eu
>>79270896
APPLY FOR WORK VISA
THANK YOU
BYE
>>79277446
>Yeah bro, remember the Olympics ceremony in the UK.
Image of ceremony.
>>79277592
Spot on m80
Before 2009, in Serbia, visa to EU was much more difficult to obtain than visa to US.
I waited for less than 2 hours in the US embassy, and as soon as I showed them that I speak English flawlessly, have a decent knowledge of the dos and don'ts of the USA and have a well paid job back home, they let me in, because I wasn't likely to stay there illegally.
In 2007, the last time I waited for EU, I had to wait in front of Austrian embassy for more than 12 hours, even though I scheduled, because that's how it goes: someone gets turned down, they complain etc, multiply that time by hundreds of people daily, and that's why it takes forever.
I was even turned down in 2005, because of a vaccine that was administered in Serbia every five years, but EU required it every three or something, so I had it according to Serbian law, so they were not allowed to give me proof of vaccination, because it was against the law.
>>79277724 is for >>79276166
>>79277603
It certainly would.
And it might help the Commonwealth as a whole if they start working closer together again.
>>79277446
At least he could get in to see someone. There are Brits pulling their own rotten teeth from their heads.
>>79277446
Time for cutting edge medicine from India. It cures EVERYTHING!
>>79277585
Oh, I don't mind that at all. I'm old Southern boy. We move slower here, too.
Malta's definitely on my list of places to visit.
>>79277104
Strawman. My argument was corruption means using money for personal gain. Voicing a political opinion does not invalidate what universities or the Red Cross does
>>79277419
The US had a culture of science predating the 1940s, famalam. Scientific advancement has been a core component of the American political landscape since Jefferson.
>>79277638
Oh, a minor government department. This is obviously impossible without the entire EU package.
There is no way such a report can be put together by normal international cooperation (or a couple of guys in their free time) and without the massive bloat that always goes with anything the EU does...
>>79277875
> without the massive bloat that always goes with anything the EU does...
That is the point of disagreement.
Eu science management is not slower than national one. It's faster. I don't know if it is the only department faster, but it is
>>79277419
Franklin
Edison
Wright Brothers
Carver
Bell
Morse
Fulton
I'm pretty sure of those men were naturally born and past the first generation though I haven't checked Wiki to be sure.
>>79270896
this is horseshit. after ww2 med rsrch was standardized globally. it was the first thing globalized. https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/nih_origins/ww2.html
>>79277785
Do the police know that man has such a large pair of pliers? Weapons sweep now!
>>79277853
>Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.
*** to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.***
>Corruption is a form of dishonest or unethical conduct by a person entrusted with a position of authority, often to acquire personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement, though it may also involve practices that are legal in many countries.
***Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement, though it may also involve practices that are legal in many countries***
The red cross receives money in order to do what the red cross does. They do not receive money to then have them become a political mouthpiece.
This is the difference.
>>79277581
Thanks desu, was awful. Especially as it could have been caught a lot earlier if the doctors were doing their due diligence.
>>79277446
They accept fake indian diplomas if you have brown skin because le magical spice nigger man is genius
>>79278062
Faster how, and crucially *is it better*?
>>79277577
This.
>>79270896
Why exactly does it need free movement to thrive. It thrives in Japan which doesn't have open borders.
Have these scientists not heard of fax machines or fed ex?
Is the research not important enough for you to, you know, spend 5 minutes showing your passport at a border crossing?
>>79277785
True desu. And even if you get to see a doctor you will quite likely have to wait a long time, even when urgency is needed.
>>79278123
The terrible thing is almost all of us will have cancer one day. It's a universal killer and it fucking sucks. Both of my grandfathers died from cancer in their 80s. :(
>>79278205
Yes, because they can see what the entire eu is doing, not your country alone.
That is the key point. Eu science is based on cooperation, not competition
>>79277865
But it was much smaller than it is today, and not the greatest at the time. Before the post war period, most of the great scientists were British. Newton, Turing, Lord Kelvin, James Watts, Bayes, Boyle, Darwin. Only pre war scientists off the top of my head is Tesla and Edison.
>>79278208
Oops meant for this
>>79277592
>>79274638
Like 5 minutes.
I'm Australian. I've traveled all over the world. Europe was easier than the U.S. and both of them took like ten fucking minutes to sort out, and I even got a temporary working visa for the U.K.
If your science is so unimportant and you're so fucking retarded you can't fill out a visa application, it's probably shit science.
>Scotland
>Join the E.U.
That's funny, I'm pretty sure Spain still exists.
>>79278322
It is not taken as given that central planning is superior m8. e.g the soviet union.
How is it better, specifically.
>>79278436
>That's funny, I'm pretty sure Spain still exists.
Or Italy for that matter.
>>79278303
Here is to hoping treatment gets better in the coming decades.
>>79270896
They are clearly going to have travel and tourism.... wtf is wrong with these people?
>>79278636
It's always better to become ill tomorrow than today. We're going to be okay, anon.
>>79277865
US never had a scientific culture. They had smart people that did not ask the population of they wanted to give money to scientists and they may gave founding to then.
In the cold war scientists just went to politicians saying "Russia" and politicians said "how much"
American scientific colture started with Sagan
>>79270896
Last time i checked alot of modern science had originated in Nazi Germany. The only free movement i remember was the train movements
>>79278483
>500 people from 10 countriss applied to use a telescope to study the same thing. >Better let only one of them do that
1 study
>50 people from our country applied to study the the same thing
>10 country do the same
10 papers identical
>>79278711
>Sagan
This guy was a scientific mediocrity who shilled for the Left. Before there was Tyson to play Science Nigger, there was Sagan.
>>79278971
>1 study reaches a certain conclusion
>Well I guess that's it then
>10 studies reach a certain conclusion
>What is rigour. What is repeatability. What is the method by which science can claim to be an authority on anything...
Are you really a scientist?
>>79279053
Yes, and before him people had no idea what the word science even meant.
It may very well be that you hate him, but that is the truth
>>79278971
Ravioli
Ravioli
Please give me the formuoli
>>79278083
>Franklin
Yes
>Edison
More of an inventor, but a great one. An ass though.
>Wright
They had German and Dutch ancestry, although I guess many muricans do
>Carver
A nice man, but not a great scientist.
>Bell
Swede
>Morse
Not a great scientist.
>Fulton
Wouldn't call him a great scientist. A decent inventor, maybe.
Pales to men like Newton. If you consider the rest of Europe, which levels out the population difference between Britian and the US, you get men like Gauss, Leibniz, Fermat and Haber.
>>79279170
Come on , you understood perfectly what I meant. No reason to pay hundreds of people to do the same things
>>79278690
>>79271187
By being absolutely enormous, stealing all of the good German scientist after the second world war, and in the past allowing people to do whatever the fuck they wanted as long as they're able to support themselves.
Only my first point holds true anymore and it's increasingly Shitskins.
>>79279291
Mate. Lots of people getting the same result when they do the same thing is literally the foundation of science.
>>79270896
>can figure out form
Just claim asylum in Germany
>>79278109
Are you even trying mate? Universities aren't going to do anything differently other than tell people not to stay in the EU. They aren't going to stop their research.
>corruption
Like I pointed out, university funding is related to the discharge of their duties. They aren't going to get paid more.
>>79279189
>no one in the US had heard of science before a pot smoking shill
Yeah. It's not like no one ever heard of Salk, or Einstein or any number of other kikes who actually made contributions to science that were relevant to their lives.
>>79279377
I'm not speaking about reviewing, I'm talking about multiple teams that need to buy instruments with eu moneys to do the same thing. Yes sure if a field is promising you increase the number of people studying it, but there is a limit.
>>79279499
I stand by my claim. A pro science popular movement world have been unthinkable. Therefore It did not existed a colture of science
>>79279560
>I'm talking about multiple teams that need to buy instruments with eu moneys to do the same thing
Foundation. Of. Science.
God, are people like you why so many published results can't be reproduced these days? You are turning your field into a laughing stock.
>>79279477
Are you even trying?
Your post does not address anything I said.
>>79279730
I see. "Culture of science" means tax funding. It means gibsmedat. Perfect then that it started with a Jew and is currently co-chaired by a nigger and yet another Jew.
>>79279739
And where do those money choice from?
Yeah sure would be good to have infinite moneys. Oh wait UK plans to cut them. Oh wait eu achieves more with the same amount
>>79270896
>be scientist who is attempting to write a phd thesis on the anthropology on west africans
>Know that your thesis will never contribute to the scientific community
>Depend on EU funding and cheap polish research participants
>Realise that you will have no job if britain leaves. or even worse, have to contribute in moving the human race forward.
>Cry
>????????
>Suicide
>>79280159
>>79280091
No, culture of science means understanding that by providing money to scientists you will obtain much more than you have inserted.
>>79280098
>And where do those money choice from?
Wherever they can get it. Be it government, charity, business, or their own pocket.
>Yeah sure would be good to have infinite moneys. Oh wait UK plans to cut them. Oh wait eu achieves more with the same amount
>BAAAAAAW!!! PLEASE FUND MY STUDY INTO THE CORRELATION BETWEEN BEER AND MY WAIST CIRCUMFERENCE!!! ;___;
>>79280356
>Give me infinite money and you might get something back at some point :^D
>Have me justify myself to earn my grants?
>WAAAAAAAH!!!! NOOOO!!!!! YOU HATE SCIENCE!!!!
>>79280498
So do you agree or not that higher centralization found management is better than lower centralization? You started ranting about me being antiscientific when I was trying to save moneys. And now you are ranting about people asking for them.
You don't make lot of sense
>>79280797
>So do you agree or not that higher centralization found management is better than lower centralization?
I disagree. My example are the soviet union and the shit-show that is the EU. The further you remove the control from the thing it is controlling, the less efficient and able to react to local issues it becomes. You instead get one-size-fits all solutions that suit no one and tend to harm more than they help.
>>79280658
Never said so. But to some degree yes. Even if people actively decided to provide money to science, they still would have the competence to decide on what those moneys should be spent on. They simply would end up wasting then on meme researchs. The scientific community should decide, as it happens with telescopes, how to allocate the moneys
This is why 99% of all academics are pro-EU, because their funding often comes directly from the EU. But that doesn't mean a post-Brexit UK will just stop science funding, I don't know where that meme came from. We gave a shitload of money to the EU, and they just gave some of it back in terms of science funding. Let's cut out the middleman.
Anyway, a vast overhaul of the university system is well-needed. I've just completed my MSc and am considering a PhD (probably won't do one though) and the system is fucked. Research undertaken by master's students is worthless because there are so many different master's students at so many different unis (including shit ex-polys). Most research undertaken by PhD students is worthless for the same reason, and won't be published. Professors at shit universities have to publish often to keep their jobs, but lack the resources/expertise to carry out high-quality research, which leads to high amounts of shit research that just muddies the literature. This culture helps keep them all in a job, but in my opinion we'd do better by scaling back on the research funding and concentrating on research groups at the top 30 universities to make sure their research is high-quality and practically useful. Get rid of all these sociologists and other pseuds. We don't need the EU for that.
>>79270896
LOL not prioritizing science always. What's your science per turn now faggots? Better start churning out that culture if you wanna win
>>79281079
>The scientific community should decide, as it happens with telescopes, how to allocate the moneys
So I was right then.
>Give me infinite money to let me and the "scientific community" go off and play. It may or may not be useful to anyone.
>nooooo, don't make me do real work. I want to plaaaaaay :____;
>>79270896
FUCK SHIT CUNT
>>79281028
Yes but it's but eu assigning the money. It's people asking for them. Eu can only decide if your request is legit or not. This mean that local effects are sorted out by them self and eu still get to handle money in the great scheme of things
>>79281288
Why are you assuming that science does not follow the same competitive nature as markets. If you waste moneys you will not receive more of those
>>79281303
Your post makes zero sense.
>Massive central command gets request from local area. Because central command makes a decision they therefore know about all the specifics of that local area.
>>79281303
It's not eu.....*
>>79281235
>We gave a shitload of money to the EU, and they just gave some of it back in terms of science funding. Let's cut out the middleman.
That's totally reasonable, and it makes the argument that Britain will save 300 gorillion moneys a year disingenuous.
>>79281483
>Why are you assuming that science does not follow the same competitive nature as markets
Not when it comes to government funding it doesn't. The EU funds all kinds of absolute bullshit.
>>79281498
Except science is not local.
If your university has a the best super computer of the continent to do research on maybe it's you that should point that out when asking for money
>>79281694
Anything involving people going off to do their own thing, such as scientific research, is local m8.
>>79281828
Wtf local research even mean?
