Really makes you think...
/pol/ in a nutshell
>>79094865
I mean these """green people""" are the problem themselves.
Yeah, those poor deserts they have to tear up to mine lithium
>electric cars, solar panels, etc.
>raw materials extracted in third world countries by people who work in horrid conditions for virtually nothing
>extraction process pollutes third world countries which are infinitely worse at fighting (results of) climate change
>regular cars, coal power plants, etc.
>raw materials extracted by local populace, more often than not unionized, payed fairly
>pollution stays where the actual utilization takes place - first world countries that can fight climate change
being green is code word for racist and colonialist. liberals should be aware of this
>>79095462
The desert is beautiful habit when it has rained, and for the rest of the year it still houses a lot of great rare animals.
i'd take that mine over a gulf full of oil, any day.
>>79095521
I mean, the resources to make car parts - regardless of electric or not - are the same. There's more to the car than the fuel source
>>79095634
Oil will never die my friend.
>>79094528
Wish it had scale to it.
Open pits are beyond fuckhuge.
>>79094528
Lets go with Thorium powered cars.
>>79094528
I think this is the only 'Really makes you think', that actually isn't totally fucking stupid and can hold some ground.
Also, to answer your question. Yeah I think they are.
Hydrogen cars are gonna be the real answer to the oil story.
>>79094528
>implying
>>79094528
Real oils sands...
Im not a envirofags but Oilsands is far wworst than many things
>>79096166
>implying
just weight the number of each mine vs each oil extraction
>>79096259
>implying
tl;dr they're both shit and rip the fuck out of the environment
>>79094528
>oilsands
>>79096350
No look at the original picture the environment around the oil rig is clean.
>>79094528
Greenpeace and the rest of that (((movement))) was supported by the USSR to weaken Western civilization.
>>79095888
> Thunderf00t went full retard on brexit
> so much irony that Thorium freaking solar roadways are now viable
>>79096188
>>79096259
>>79096350
>Real oil sands
>Shows picture of coal mine
p-pol btfo!!
>>79094528
>>79095734
>>79096473
>>79095734
yeah, it's totally infinite.
>>79095888
Have fun with the gamma rays.
>>79095734
Uh huh tell that to your great grandchildren when they rely on algae for crude oil.
>>79094528
fuking piece of shit idiot. that its the Escondida a fucking copper mine. in a fucking Desert... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minera_Escondida
>>79096961
>>79096875
>what is fracking
>>79094528
Kinda silly that we can make fake diamonds that are actually better than diamonds but we can't make fake oil that is better than actual oil eventhough the process is pretty similar.
>>79096166
>photoshopping
>>79097013
Came to post this.
So, thanks Chile.
Congrats with the football aswell.
>>79097048
How many shrooms did you have today?
>>79097048
something that is finite.
>>79094528
>get lithium from mines to make batteries
>people just throw them away
we're gonna run out one day aren't we?
>>79097535
>>79097013
You don't have any good aguments, so let's go full damage control then? :^)
>>79096756
>>79097447
>he doesn't even know how oil sand extraction works
>thinks it's a coal mine
>thinks it's a photoshop
>mfw
http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-destructive-canada-oil-sands-2012-10
>>79097048
Not an infinite source of oil, that's for sure.
>>79094528
thats a copper mine you dolt
>>79098197
http://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/
literally debunks that stupid picture in the op lol
>>79098197
You know that actually makes the place more habitable by removing the toxic oil. While a lithium mine is polluting the soil with chemicals...
>>79097848
So a lot, huh. I thought so.
>>79097090
Well there's bio fuel and other shit which production isn't even that environmentally friendly as well
Of course you can still liquify coal and make some syntetic fuel
>>79095521
This.
And if you replace all the personal cars by Ecars, you have to build a lot of powerplants.
>>79098471
>>79097535
>>79096827
I'm just being realistic here.
>>79097848
Are you stupid or what? The Escondida was made for extract Copper not lithium. If nothing the lithium is an extra that most of the miner don't even fucking care.
http://www.uchile.cl/noticias/109243/el-dilema-del-litio
>>79098449
nice b8 m8 r8 8/8
>>79094528
>>79096166
>>79096188
>muh trees!
I see absolutely nothing wrong in these pics. If you do, you're brainwashed or pagan, sirs.
>>79096875
yeah and so is lithium
>>79097498
ty.
>>79097090
Where we gonna get the material to make the oil?
>>79094528
>This post brought to you by the Oil and Coal United Diversionary Campaign Against Nuclear Energies™©
Glad our military industrial complex is going to BTFO you kikes in a few years.
Everyone in this thread is retarded.
Open pit mining LOOKS bad regardless of what it's for, and copper, lithium, bitumen, all guilty of it.
The problem with the oil sands is that the production of the oil from when the extraction starts to final product expels three times as much fossil fuels in the process as regular oil production, that's the fucking problem.
Open pit mines can be patched up and reclaimed when they're done and that's what the oil sands do.
The problem is the emissions, and once a windmill or a solar panel is finished being produced, the initial emissions overhead from manufacturing is done, wheras oil and coil continue to emit until the end of their lifespan.
That picture is also retarded and cherrypicked as fuck.
>>79100619
>emissions
Hi ChinkShill
>>79095734
lmaoing at your life
I don't see why everyone is still defending the lithium mine, the oil in oilsands can be fracked so you don't get this:
>>79096259
Youget a clean pump station like this instead:
>>79094528
>>79100871
Devastating rebuttal, I'll have to take that one up with my shill boss to figure out how to overcome that next time
>>79101111
Because lithium is necessary, and on the other hand our military industrial complex has a date of close to 15 years to practical microfusion.
>>79101287
Fusion energy will be even more expensive to invest in than nuclear energy, while fracking is relatively cheap.
>>79101502
Which is why I'm glad the military industrial complex is the one doing it.
>>79094528
Electric everything is going to be the key to sustainability. You can power it with whatever.
>>79101613
Still hard earned tax dollars are paid for the research project.
>>79101777
Better than them working on electromagnetic deer frying defensive fields like they normally do
>>79100871
Emissions are worth talking about even if chinks don't care about them at the moment.
>>79095069
>>79095590
>>79095734
>>79096473
>>79097048
>>79097848
>>79098449
>>79098606
>>79101111
>>79101502
>>79101777
Just fucking stop posting for the love of god.
>>79101931
Nothing emissions-related is worth talking about senpai.
>>79101933
Thats not how it works pall, I wanted a discussion so I better participate in it too then.
>>79094528
>>79094528
"Out of sight, out of mind".
>If it doesn't make smoke, it doesn't pollute.
>I'm such a progressive genius, saving the earth :^)
>>79094528
Depends on many factors
In US/Germany/China, electric cars are more polluting on the long run since creating electricity makes more CO2 than a normal petrol engine
In countries like France, Belgium, etx, where Nuclear power does up to 80% of the total produced energy, it might be worth it. This is without taking the production emissions (between others) into account, which is the problem with electric cars (making them is polluting as fuck actually, in comparison to traditional engines)
>>79095734
Well not that fast but it never hurts to have some backup if it happens
>>79095888
>Let's make any car crash cause Chernobyl
>>79101502
>[Citation Needed]
Also, there will be a point where we'll be able to fuse Uranium and whatnot so you see me coming
It's only a matter of time
POL BTFO!
>>79102354
Oil fags BTFO
>>79102892
>>Also, there will be a point where we'll be able to fuse Uranium and whatnot so you see me coming
>fuse Uranium
>fusing heavier rarer elements
why
Don't care about the environment. But...
Electric motors provide a better power train for most people's daily driving. With as much as people have transitioned away from being mechanically inclined or aware, the power curve and efficiency make it a better choice for 99% of the population that just doesn't care for cars.
It's sad :(
Did you make that in paint you fucking mong?
>>79094528
after they dinish mining the govement can rehabilitate the place. planting plants tending the ground
Anyone who has ever studied Energetics and/or Electromechanical engineering knows that the battery-powered vehicles are simply toys and useless shit compared to internal combustion vehicles. The batteries themselves are expensive, utilise rare materials in case of the best ones, experience a performance drop over time, vary in efficiency over output range and absolutely can't compare to fuels in mass and volume energy density.
Replacing a significant portion of current cars with EV would mean building new coal and/or nuclear powerplants. No, you can't base your E-grid on renewables, for a multitude of reasons. And photovoltaics are shit for E-grid power generation. Oil and gas are not going anywhere, you dumbfucks, because they are raw resources for a broad range of manufacturing.
>>79104016
Bravo, see this is a good argument. So now the "fuel costs more energy" argument gone too.
>>79103364
>Brings up efficiency comparison between a heat engine utilising a fuel, and an electric engine utilising exergy
>Pulls statistics out of ass on vehicle use
>"power curve"
Yeah, don't do that anymore.
>>79102072
Prove it
>Each month following the last has been consecutively the hottest month on record
>Cartographers have to change the mapping of the arctic because it's fucking disappearing
>Heat waves and droughts killing more people every year
>Forest fires are getting bigger each year
>The connection of GHG's and atmospheric heating has been known for almost 2 centuries
Good luck
>>79095521
Actually that lithium mine is in Nevada.
>>79101111
>fracking is safe and has infinite energy
I'm normally against calling people shills, but which multinational corporation is paying you for this?
>>79094528
#BANASSAULTLITHIUM
>>79095521
what flag is this wewlad
>>79105486
Varta battery company.
>>79094528
go ahead and tell that to the californians who are experiencing one of the worst man made natural gas leaks in history you fucking retard
>>79094528
>fails to neglect the comparison in emissions and it's effect on the environment
We all know we can move to renewable energy resources senpai. We just refuse to do it.
>>79106086
Riverside county here. LOL
>>79094528
oh god do I bite this bait?
>>79094528
NIce copper mine retard
>>79094528
We'll run out of gas eventually, so not really. We'll have to use them at some point.
>>79107259
I'm surprised more people don't know about it tbqh.. it's pretty serious
>>79107600
It might be really bad but its like nothing as happened here at all. No state of emergency, no coverage, nothing. Sucks for the people affected but everyone else is fine.
>>79096131
Hydrogen? Why not just bio oil? It takes a shit ton of energy to create hydrogen from water (most applicable source). Might as well just use electric at that point, especially considering the loss of heat energy in combustion and loss of electricity in water electrolysis.
>>79096188
I'm not seeing any wells...
Do you have any idea how big the world is and how tiny that mine is? If you're going to raise local environmental concerns at least bitch about the fucking ass huge range of land that gets inundated when a dam is formed.
satirical board confirmed
>>79094528
You're about 6 years too late, OP.
The word has been out about electric and hybrid veh's for some time.
>>79107956
Hydrogen is made from natural gas m8
>>79104651
Since the dawn of time the Earth has been warming and cooling. Who cares if the Earth heats up a little. Not even an issue imo.
>>79098271
how do you know oil is not infinite?
>>79094528
Ya man, we only mine Li for electric cars
>>79098948
Li can at least be recycled and more abundant
>>79102354
gross
looks like a russian winter
>>79110036
Wasn't aware, what are the ups to hydrogen instead of just using natural gas as fuel?
>>79096875
Buddy, buddy. We haven't even touched it yet. Sure it has a limit but, holy hell, is there a lot more down there.
>>79094528
Who cares if you dig a hole in the desert?
>>79102354
Eh, give a thousand years it'll be fine.
>>79094528
as someone who's worked in the natural gas/oil industry
op's image is of a Natural Gas rig site, not an "oil sands site"
Oil sands themselves are near barren shit holes without human intervention. They can be extremely dangerous to non already garbage oilsands biomes.
Unfortunately for all of the hollywood retards who come up here to call us animals for destroying our environment, the Oil Sands are one of the most responsibly run industries in our country and have been under intense ecological scrutiny for almost 30 years.
That said I can also vouch for the average incompetence of lower rung management and up until the last 16 years or so, the hordes of uneducated highschool dropouts.
It's a mixed bag, but the Oilsands are an important resource, that should be supported until we've achieved an adequate alternative both for energy supply and money making exports.
>>79094528
Show us where aluminum and steel are extracted for the car's metal parts, how the plastic parts are produced, where the copper for the wiring comes from the silica for the electronic parts.
Dumbass cuck.
>>79095462
>those poor deserts they have to tear up to mine lithium
OPs picture is retarded, but if this is truly your opinion then you're an uneducated nigger.
>>79110373
Well, I'm pretty sure everyone who lives in a coastal city cares. They'd get fucked hard just by a global rise of 2-4c.
>>79111381
>he can't outrun a slowly rising ocean
fag
>>79095069
>I mean these """green people""" are the problem themselves.
No kidding .
>>79111499
I don't live on the coast. I'd be safe even if all the ice in the world melted.
>>79096961
Quite frankly, if we're still using oil for energy by the time I could possibly have great grandchildren, we deserve to return to the medieval era.
>>79095734
>Oil will never die my friend.
Even the fucking universe will die.
>>79094528
That pic is entirely fake. Top site is a copper mine, not a lithium mine. No idea what the bottom site is, but those sure as hell aren't oil sands.
>wind power hasn't become a thing in murrica' because it "kills birds"
>>79110653
It will be harder to store and have a lower energy content as Hydrogen than as Natural gas.
Natural Gas is CH4, so all you are really doing is changing the combustion products from 1CO2, 2H2O into just 2H2O.
>>79112202
It also modifies wind patterns which can fuck up cities.
It's also shit.
>>79111827
Entropy will never reach its maximal state in a finite time period. That said, yeah, oil will die in a matter of decades.
>>79112093
It's probably just a pump. But it does extract oil.
>>79112202
Wind power is a thing here though.
The problem is wind power takes a lot of energy to transfer. And our country is huge, with the areas with most wind power potential being in area HUNDREDS of miles away from where the energy needs to be.
>>79094528
I don't give a good goddamn about the environment.
The reason we need to get rid of oil is to bankrupt Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Seriously if those countries are destroyed being green is worth it.
Unless you like Wahabbism in your neighborhood built by Saudi Arabian Imans.
>>79112202
That's not true, there are just very few places that have regular sustained winds for which Wind Turbines are a reliable source of power. Just like dams, they're very geographically-dependent.
>>79112341
Just like a grain of sand can modify truck patterns and fuck up traffic patterns. Just like satellite launches can stop the world from spinning.
>>79113000
Or we could use nuclear power and stop enabling retards who think wind power is viable on any sort of long term scale.
>>79112824
>two highly populated ME countries destroyed
>meaning more mass immigration into Europe
Just let them wind down in influence until the whole region becomes irrelevant. It's happening already.
>>79113177
Genocide also works.
>>79105486
Welcome, Summerfag.
M8 pls, open pit mines process more than just lithium.
>>79096875
It will be obsoleted far before we run out of it.
>>79112093
Lithium can be open pit mined as well, as most other metals.
Though copper is much more commonly associated because the biggest open pit mine in the world is a copper mine. Pic related.
I've driven by it hundreds of times. Thing's a human marvel it is, turning an entire mountain inside out. (also holding the record for the largest manmade landslide) They still got another mile to dig through before it runs out as well.
>>79113083
Actually the world's practically-accessible uranium stores are fairly limited. It's a very heavy element and very rare. If we went entirely on Nuclear we'd dry up pretty quick or at least have to invent new mining techniques.
Developments in renewable biomass or new forms of solar energy could be the long-term future and if the running gag that is fusion can ever get its act together. For now diversified (and likely for the rest of time) is the way to go.
>>79113640
>Doesn't know about Breeder reactors and Thorium
We have enough nuclear fuel to run various fueled reactors for thousands of years. Only problem is that we can't make nukes out of most of it, or the byproducts, so governments tend to ignore it.
![lithium-mine-atacama-2[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CrOHHHt.jpg "lithium-mine-atacama-2[2].jpg")
Pic related is an actual lithium mine, looks breddy cool
>>79113640
>uranium
>Military industrial complex is 15ish years away from microfusion
>also
>>79113917
>>79094528
>>79113936
>lithium mines are nothing more than macro-scale modern art
>>79113537
That mine in OP's pic is the Escondida copper mine in Chile. Five seconds on Google Images.
>>79113537
43% of the world's Lithium is sitting untouched under the Salar de Uyuni in Bolivia, no mining required; just extraction and purification.
>>79114040
More like macro-scale Dulux catalogue
>>79094528
Electric car likely gets juice from coal fired power plant :. Electric car burns coal.
>>79113917
Conspiracy theories are fun, but they don't really align with reality. Not saying that Thorium reactors aren't possible, but the research, development, and use simply isn't profitable. Though granted if depletion of oil and Plutonium reserves drove the prices high enough, it WOULD become profitable, but I have a suspicion that by the time we get there, it'll be a moot point. Because Earth isn't a closed system, we are being bombarded by free energy from the sun at enormous rates and there are plenty of ways to put it to use (hell, even Oil is a stored form of solar energy).
For those that don't know.
OPS pic is of a SAGD operation. Not franking at all. In fact franking isn't really used for oil in Canada.
Open pit in the other pictures is also going on. The size of these pits in relation to the size of the Wood Buffalo region is FUCKING TINY.
Also the reclamation is incredible. You would never tell a pit or oilsand operation once stood where they have cleaned up and finished the job.
>Muh water
Hydrocarbons have been present in the lakes, rivers and streams up here for millenia.
>muh co2.
None of these plants burn anything besides dangerous gasses at flare stacks which are minimal. The smoke that comes out of them is steam.
t. Suncor Employee currently ta king a shit.
Also feel free to ask someone who's been in SAGD and open pit oil and gas for 15 years.
Also mined uranium, potash, and constructed hydro dams.
>>79094528
learn how carbon emissions work you dumb fuck.
>mfw I drive an electric car powered by atomic energy
plebians
>1000 bc called, they want thier magic black fire rocks back
>>79094528
>it's big therefore it's bad!
kill yourself
>>79114682
Right. And I bet you think that solar energy doesn't pollute at all as well?
Also goes to show how much you know... Plutonium isn't mined, idiot. It's a byproduct of Uranium run reactors. Nuclear fuel can be used to make MORE nuclear fuel, and without even scratching the surface we've made enough to make gigatons worth of nukes.
Price and ecological effect to power-wise, solar will never kick off. It's inefficient, (it's nearly impossible to get even near 100% efficiency solar power) irresponsible, (creates insanely toxic waste products to produce) and just generally too weak to power a planet, unless you want us to sheathe ourselves in a shell of solar panels and mirrors.
>>79115578
>not driving a car with a straight up nuclear engine
still a ways to go, leaf
>>79094528
metal-air batteries will replace lithium ion. far higher energy density and zinc-air are 100% recyclable.
Lithium is very difficult to recycle
>>79113640
>the world's practically-accessible uranium stores are fairly limited
this was the thinking in 1970, since then we have realized that we can make far more neutron efficient conventional reactors (CANDU anyone?) and there is also way more uranium then we thought
as of right now we have at the very least 300 years of uranium, and that is EXTREMELY conservative. probably much much closer to 3000
pretty much any other fission tech would dramatically increase that, with fast breeders it becomes 10s of thousands of years, and thorium breeder-burners it could be 100s of thousands
if we haven't figured out P-P fusion by the time we effectively run out of fissionable fuel, we have failed as species
>Open pit mining.
>Bad
Not only do you get all 100% of the ore out of the earth but it's safer for miners. Also majority of all (More so modern day operations of new pits) have contracts with envirmental firms that fills in the hole or get turned in to parks or lakes.
>>79116176
lockheed martin says 15 years for microfusion reactors.
They've already gotten first plasma.
>>79096473
I don't know if this guy is trolling or he is actually mama special boy
>>79094528
Wow, it really makes you think
Don't you have any about how veganism is going to save the world?
>>79111827
>>79112349
>Even the fucking universe will die.
We can't be sure. End of story.
>>79113177
I hope so. I've been shilling against gasoline (though not locally produced natural gas and other fossil fuels) just for the purpose of reducing Middle Eastern wealth and influence. I find it hard to give a shit about the environment though, I fight certain companies and industries for purely political reasons.
>>79095590
Do you even have deserts in the Netherlands?
>>79094528
why is environmentalism a poorly-discussed topic on /pol/? It is directly related to sjw bs
>environmental justice
>>79113000
Just like man-made CO2 warms the atmosphere?
>>79114422
Just like your wife
>>79095462
I'VE FINALLY FOUND WYOMING!!!! US is now complete!
>>79105169
who the fuck cares how much environment it destroys then
90% of the state is literally uninhabitable
t. Nevadan
>>79095521
>being green is code word for racist and colonialist. liberals should be aware of this
Liberals are already aware that the top picture is a Chinese slave labor strip mine and toxic waste site operated in a South American country where there are nearly zero environmental protections.
Let's talk about the bottom picture. The high-sulfur bitumen sludge Canada is pumping out of its tar sands is hard as a rock. The smart thing would be to refine it right there on the spot, but it would create a massive toxic waste site.
We can't do smart because the oil barons in Texas demand a piece of the action. It has to be softened with steam and mixed with millions of gallons of carcinogens and pumped at ridiculously dangerous pressures down rickety old rusty pipes across the hemisphere's largest know aquifer.
We can never have smart because rich and devious keeps stealing it from us.
>/pol/ actively defending oilniggers
When did this board get infiltrated by semites? Or maybe you're all cucks who like to prep fat, hairy oil sheikh bulls?
Saged, hidden, and burned an offering to kek to rid this board of stupidity.
