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BREXIT BTFO
Angela Merkel warns UK it can't have access to single market without freedom of movement
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-merkel-warns-uk-it-cant-have-access-to-single-market-without-freedom-of-movement-a7107071.html
I'll vote for this woman again.
She's a saint.
>implying the EU won't dissolve in the decade
That's a good chuckle
if there was a god he would have killed this fucking bitch by now
>>79035658
Third time is a charm. You can defeat the Anglo this time senpai.
>>79036668
Checkmate religionfags.
>>79035436
Jup.
You want that money english ho?
Spread the legs and fucking moan!
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
>>79036668
>>79037061
she is leader of the christian democrats
>>79035436
Like the ones Mexico, Chile and Canada have?
Just trade with us instead lads, fuck mutti Merkel
>>79037928
America is just as bad, senpai
You need Trump to save you first
>>79036581
People may not realise it yet, but it is now the priority UK national interest to force the dissolution of the EU, much like it was to dissolve Napoleons Continental System and Hitlers Pan-European Reich.
It will not be hard for a UK foreign policy to divide Southern Europe from France and Germany. Also other options to break off peripheral nations from Franco-German hegemony, like Denmark and Netherlands etc.
And like with Napoleon and Hitler, the option an Anglo-Russian entente naturally beckons to breakup the power of a Franco-German grouping.
Fun times. The Anglo rises.
>>79037268
Wolf in sheeps clothing
>>79037928
"Michael Froman, the US trade representative, said that the world's largest economy was "not in the market" for free trade agreements (FTAs) with other countries."
"We're not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We're building platforms ... that other countries can join over time."
"We have no FTA with the UK so they would be subject to the same tariffs - and other trade-related measures - as China, or Brazil or India," Mr Froman said.
>>79038683
I hate Brussels as much as the next eurofag but goddammit this is exactly what I've been trying to tell the Brexit people. If they don't come up with some completely hypothetical commonwealth/anglo power/fuck year free trade zone on their own - and they won't - they will get shafted.
There is simply no way for Britain to get better terms in the Single Market Area than, say, Norway, and Norway has the best deal there currently is (And this is because they have never been an EU member but EU hopes they one day will be). And any other imaginary market areas that are excluded in the US FTAs are basically for second or third rate countries.
The Brexit bunch needs to stop being delusional pretty much right now and seriously start thinking about their future.
>>79039268
Nah, they can get MUCH better deals. All they have to do is keep a pokerface and let the german car manufacturers do the bargaining for them.
>>79039681
Yes that's the way it's going to go down. I've been told this several times on /pol/.
>>79035436
>>79037244
>5 of the top selling cars in the UK are German
I can't wait to see her face when Toyota, Mazda and Hyundai take over.
>>79040087
and /pol/ is always right
>>79037244
>>79035436
All of this is bollocks from both sides.
Nobody knows who is in the stronger position yet because of the market volatility and no article 50 yet.
The pussies in Westminster need to trigger article 50, the markets need to steady out and then we will see who dictates what.
Could go either way but I would ignore everything said by either side until both of the above requirements are met.
>>79037244
I thought the Internet was haram. How are you posting online?
>>79038519
Some things never change
>>79035436
Elections are on the door merkel cant fuck over the car manufacturers or she will lose countless votes.
>>79039268
Which is one big reason why the UK will force the breakup of the EU, by hook or by crook, as the top priority of it's foreign policy now >>79038519
Franco-German hegemony of Europe has already been stopped by Britain twice, it's not in Britains national interest and Britain is very good at enforcing it's national interest on the Continent. The EU will be the third.
>>79038519
The difference being that this is not wartime and the Single Market Area is not a wartime FTA.
>>79040148
This
The asian companies have dominated the US in terms of compact sales because of cheap, durable cars with good resale value.
Doesn't Eu have trade deals with other countries? like india/china?
In the cases of those countries, it doesn't force free movement of people right?
Or do no countries have trade deals with EU?
>>79038683
>you need FTAs to trade with other nations
>>79040281
>Nobody knows who is in the stronger position yet because of the market volatility and no article 50 yet.
lol
EU has obviously the stronger position because the UK needs free access to the EU market more than the EU needs free access to the UK market.
Obviously a decent deal would be beneficial for both sides, but I expect the EU to be quite vindicative with the problem child UK, and the UK has no bargaining chip.
>>79040585
Well you need them to get more favourable deals.
>>79038335
Right now it is Britain standing alone against continental tyranny without a friend in the world, as has often fallen to be our lot.
>>79040205
Our exports to germany are like 50bil and is the second biggest importers of british shit.
>>79040585
nerver said that.
>>79040540
Not free trade deals, no. Those countries don't enjoy the same benefits as countries in the EU. Chinese products for example are subject to heavy tariffs.
>>79035436
We got C series if you need new aircrafts anglobros :^)
>>79040611
Actually you're wrong. I've been told (again on /pol/, quelle surpris!) that the EU needs UK markets more than vice versa.
So it seems the EU member states are the ones who are screwed.
>>79040782
oh okay, thanks.
>>79037268
christian democrats is the european version of neocon cuckservatives
>>79036581
>implying the UK won't dissolve in the coming years
>>79040710
Rev up those Spitfires eh old chum?
>>79040823
/pol/ is retarded in this regard.
>>79035436
Good, people don't want freedom of movement here so we should hopefully just be able to renegotiate deals.
Well, the truth is that now that the British people have voted to leave the EU, the globalists have to make it as painful as possible on them in order to send a warning to other nations that may consider leaving. I think that a recent article by W. Ben Hunt explained this very well…
What’s next? From a game theory perspective, the EU and ECB need to crush the UK. It’s like the Greek debt negotiations … it was never about Greece, it was always about sending a signal that dissent and departure will not be tolerated to the countries that matter to the survival of the Eurozone (France, Italy, maybe Spain). Now they (and by “they” I mean the status quo politicians throughout the EU, not just Germany) are going to send that same signal to the same countries by hurting the UK any way they can, creating a Narrative that it’s economic death to leave the EU, much less the Eurozone. It’s not spite. It’s purely rational. It’s the smart move.
The elite need a crisis now in order to show everyone that globalism is the answer and not the problem. If the British people were allowed to thrive once they walked away, that would only encourage more countries to go down the exact same path. This is something that the elite are determined to avoid.
how are 100% of you retards still not aware of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
>>79035436
ahahaha UK BTFO
Germany tried to conquer the entire European continent two times in the last century and now their partaking in ethnic cleansing for the second time.
Why are we still listening to the and can we just nuke the fuck out of them already!?
>>79035658
>saint
That's a funny way to spell Stasi.
>>79040710
Last time this happened we were bailed out by America and ended up losing an empire.
>irish EU shill
How is that even possible?
>>79040205
>>79040148
Germany employes 1% of english in total. Enjoy them all at one on benefits.
3000 german companys in england.
Gone.
The taxes.
Gone.
The workers pay.
Gone.
And so forth.
>>79035436
LOL
The majority of the Brexit voters is blown the fuck out. Enjoy my Polish cousins 'stealing' your jobs and paying for it.
>"Freedom of movement"
AKA, we're still going to force human garbage into your country like it or not.
>>79035436
>just lost 350m pound per day
>Y-YOU AREN'T ALLOWED BACK IN S-SENPAI
>>79040782
a lot of countries in the EU have separate free trade deals with turkey though, but turkey wants to be in the EU
>>79035436
Nobody should give a fuck about what a Soros puppet "thinks" and says.
>>79040961
Im fully aware. The issue is to fuck us they have to fuck themseves. Which will also cause more discontent from within.
>>79040611
>UK needs free access to the EU market more than the EU needs free access to the UK market
>>79041082
This you'll be bailed out by Trump and lose only Scotland.
>>79041157
Freedom of movement actually has little to do with that. Unless you consider poles human garbage.
>>79035436
Their football team already left Europe.
So I suppose we can start talking.
>>79035436
BOYCOTT GERMANY!!!
>>79041132
>companies will stop making a profit because of some nationalistic jingoistic fucktard on /pol/ says so
>will try to force freedom of movement on Brexitbros
>see, you still get immigrants! yuo wer le bamboozled! Farage was pants for fire!
It is disgusting that the EU has transformed from a union for trading, into an empire that sows the seeds of destruction into the nations it controls.
They did this with Hungary when they refused Syrians. Now they will treat the UK like it was a hostile country. And europhiles consuming media trash will defend this fratricide. Disgusting.
>>79036668
how do you know she's not being used to dissolve the EU and the Jewish mob?
>>79041062
kek'd
>>79041196
Sacrefises have to be made.
>>79040823
why should they get a better deal now? they threatened to leave the EU if they dont get some special treatment... now that they have pulled the trigger anyways i dont see how their position got any better.
>>79041223
What about romanians? Are they not human garbage?
>>79041132
You think the german companies are going to pack up and leave just like that?
>>79035658
>>79037244
>krauts are this brainwashed
you need another liberation
>>79038519
Then the EU will have no choice but to crush the UK.
>>79040535
Yep. Japan and Korea are desperate for more trade.
Great for Australia too since they are building the cars with Australian Iron, Steel and Aluminium.
Plus we will be able to export these resources directly to the UK.
The rising tide lifts all ships. I can't wait for the EU to drown.
>>79041464
Germans are still butthurt about losing every World War against England
>>79035436
Can't Britain just embargo and blockade them and trade with the Americas? Britain still has one of the largest and most capable blue water navies in the world.
>>79041313
Do you really think the union is in any condition to be making large sacrifices currently?
>>79041205
Yes that is how it is. UK is a big and important market, but in comparison to the EU it is irrelevant. No access vice-versa would hurt the EU a lot, but it would utterly demolish the UK.
>We'll just trade with USA/Australia/China/whatever
You don't shift trade of that magnitude overnight if at all.
WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY EU SHILLS ON /pol/???
>>79035436
>>79037244
>>79040148
>>79040982
>>79041142
Are you people legit mentally handicapped?
There's no argument in your posts, just pitiful, childish, weak-willed slander at ambigious someone.
It's like children being mean to each other in the playground, except in text format. The mental age behind these posts are that low.
>>79035436
Based Merkel
>>79041157
I've never understood the concept of 'full" freedom of movement. At the moment even sand people who have managed to gain residency can social security shop around EU.
This is undoubtedly one of the things that is going to change in the wake of Brexit. So that's one good thing at least.
>>79041478
don't you guys forget that you have to bail out italy before that
>>79039268
>There is simply no way for Britain to get better terms in the Single Market Area than, say, Norway, and Norway has the best deal there currently is (And this is because they have never been an EU member but EU hopes they one day will be). And any other imaginary market areas that are excluded in the US FTAs are basically for second or third rate countries.
1) The UK can get a better deal than Norway. It's a matter of dealmaking.
2) Norway already has a real EU immigration stopgap that it can legally trigger unilaterally and as often as it wants; it's just that the politicians never use it.
>>79041478
the EU has no popular basis
>>79041382
Of course they won't. I was being ironic you teuton. But many Brexit people really believe this to be the case.
>>79041588
We'll use the war economy.
>>79041615
>It's a matter of dealmaking
To make good deals you either need leverage or goodwill on the side of your partner. UK has neither.
>>79041545
>You don't shift trade of that magnitude overnight if at all.
but it's not overnight
the reason the UK will delay article 50 is so they can get all their trade deals ready
until that happens they're still part of the EU and they still have access to your markets.
Is Germany and the rest of the EU really ready to cut its not to spite its face? Put an entire continent in recession just because the UK is not playing ball?
Ok then
>>79041712
>>79041552
I didn't mean to post an argument, because the whole situation is ridiculous.
99% of Brexit voters are blown the fuck out, because all their arguments for a Brexit are invalid. They will have to pay ridiculous high sums for EU market access, without any influence. They will still have freedom of travel for EU members, which means Poles, Romanians etc will stay. In the end they will end up paying us (which means Germany, because we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on) even more money than before, with ZERO influence in the EU.
They shot themselves in the head.
>>79041478
>>79041688
Serious question, do you have brain damage? Or some form of mental illness?
>>79041757
Germany has a history of destroying Europe over and over, why would that have changed?
>>79039268
They'll trade with China and India. Why the fuck is this not obvious?
>>79038683
Firstly, US hasn't been the largest economy since 2014. Secondly, meanwhile in Australia:
>5 May 2016
>Officials from the two sides [US,Aus] reaffirmed the importance of the FTA, underscoring that it is a key pillar of the strong and multifaceted partnership between Australia and the United States.
Otherwise, top scholarly and intellectually honest post, Merkel.
>>79037268
>Christian democrats
Thats a funny way of naming marxist jew cunt traitors.
U.K./USA/Russia bro ship?
>>79041822
but how will you stop the breakup of the EU and prevent further referenda?
>>79041615
So far all the major EU leaders have said, in about these words, that "UK will not get a better deal than Norway, if even the same."
Of course this can be only negotiation tactics, but I'd bet UK's terms are going to be significantly worse. As has been stated in this thread, EU needs to make an example out of UK. Norway was never even in.
Holy fucking shit why is she so set on trying to flood other countries with muslims?
>>79041851
Don't you have another bottle of vodka to drink?
>>79041712
You have the majority of the countries in the world wanting to get deals with the UK right now.
Statements like this
>Michael Froman, the US trade representative, said that the world's largest economy was "not in the market" for free trade agreements (FTAs) with other countries
are not at all accurate
Just like Obama pressured the UK saying they would be at the back of the queue but right after brexit went back on his world.
>>79041757
It's not a matter of simply brokering deals and signing treaties. Outlets, markets, deliveries, etc. need to be discovered, built, nurtured. It's an astronomical task to replace the value of the EU trade zone on a global level at all, it's nigh impossible to do it in the 2 years or whatever timeframe they set.
g-g-guys.
I just had a quick thought.
The EU clearly has no good will towards nations that disobey.
And the merchants are ready to draw blood to get their money.
W-w-will the UK have to be convinced by force?
Can the EU declare war on the UK, if the UK continues to encourage the Mediterranean countries to leave too?
>>79036668
God is setting up the perfect death for her, rape and subsequent butchering by the very Muslims she allowed into Europe.
>>79041553
You cant even remember what country you come from can you? you gypo dole scum.
>>79040503
Doesn't really matter.
Getting Tsar Alexander to defect from the Continental System was primarily as economic and diplomatic achievement of Britain.
Likewise when Britain starts talking to Spain and Greece about their unemployment rates, or boosting up Gert and offering the Dutch carrots to exit the EU etc. Lots of options.
War is politics by other means, but there of plenty of ways to wage war just by politics.
>>79040961
are you autistic?
i am not saying there isnt a gay mafia in control of record labels (namely rap) and other facets of society but saying all leaders of the western world went through gang bangs, bukkake coffins and anal ravaging is just retarded
yes the spartans and nazis did it to reinforce the military bond..but that is a long way from wild drunken gay orgies with george bush and friends
>>79041822
>market access
The UK has a trade deficit with the EU
The only ones "btfo" by trying to screw the British on trade will be you when they install massive tariffs on your goods
May bomber harris rise from his grave and burn every one of your cities to the ground
why are brexiters so dumb? lel - there should be a quiz on the issue before you're allowed to vote in a referendum
>>79041973
Why would they not be accurate? And countries are certainly not scrambling for deals with the UK since there is a massive amount of uncertainty regarding pretty much everything about them right now.
>>79042010
The EU doesn't have an army... yet. Would be pretty hilarious though, considering all the propaganda, "EU is why there's peace in Europe!"
>>79042005
>it's nigh impossible to do it in the 2 years or whatever timeframe they set
because you said so?
>>79041859
Back to pushing opium for tea eh?
Good luck with that. In terms of logistics alone, let alone tariffs (there's never going to be a FTA between UK, India and China, you need to get real) this trade will never be as profitable as European trade.
>>79041859
>top scholarly and intellectually honest post
i just quoted what US trade representatives have said
>>79042100
How would that quiz be kept apolitical? Who would design it?
>>79035436
That's cool, but it doesn't stop us talking to the rest of the world.
>>79042110
>Why would they not be accurate?
I literally explained right after I said they're not accurate.
Is your butthurt preventing you to read too mohamed?
>>79036994
>third
It's gonna be the fourth time. She's on her way to tie with Kohl for longest time in office :^)
>>79041933
This is a real mystery. Nazi guilt, I guess.
>>79042122
Because that's the fucking reality of the world. It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
>>79042088
gtfo shill
>>79042091
>when they install massive tariffs on your goods
>/pol/ talks day in day out about the globalist jew
>doesn't even know the WTO jew
>>79041859
>They'll trade with China and India. Why the fuck is this not obvious?
China is economically more powerful than Britain and in free trade will fuck them in the ass and India has noting to offer but poo, at least the EU maintained some standards and quality control
>>79040444
>Britain is very good at enforcing it's national interest on the Continent
British influence on the "Continent" in the last ~40 years has consisted of whining on the siedlines and bargaining insignificant concessions.
>>79042059
bit rude m89
>>79042243
You didn't explain shit. You have a vaguely related example of something Obama said.
>>79042262
>Because that's the fucking reality of the world.
You have no evidence of that. You're making a serious claim without anything to back it up.
>It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
nice false equivalence
>>79042262
>It's like wanting to build a skyscraper in a week, it's not physically possible.
inb4 the china can do it.
>>79041712
>To make good deals you either need leverage or goodwill on the side of your partner. UK has neither.
The UK has leverage. Besides all the trade leverage, it just has to say that if the EU fails to agree to the UK's staying in the Single Market, the UK will pay ZERO from now on.
The UK can also point out that the EU is trying to score free trade deals with broad regions. Free trade deals means less money for the EU budget, which is currently paid for with tariffs. The UK will pledge to contribute ZERO unless it is a member of the EEA. This plus the free trade deals will make the EU unsustainable, especially as it wants an ever-increasing budget. The UK can financially rape the EU weekly with comments like this sending the financial markets into a tizzy. The EU doesn't have a response--other than raising more taxes on the population.
>>79040961
The EU only exists if it is constantly moving forward towards greater union and expanding size. It can not exist in stagnation, and it definetly can not exist in retreat.
This is Napoleons retreat from Russia that collapses the entire system. The elan is gone, the forward momentum is gone. The active agency of the UK to cause the other nations of Europe to leave the Union is just icing on the cake.
>>79041920
There won't be a breakup of the EU, for sure.
GB was able to leave because they weren't 'full' members and aren't as dependent on the EU as other members. As the EU politicians are planning to centralize the EU even further I doubt the EU will crumble in the future. They will hurt GB as much as possible to set a warning example.
>>79042033
Basically gonna be like Ramsay Snow from Game Of Thrones trapped in a prison and surrounded by his hungry dogs.
It's poetry.
>>79041478
Third time lucky mate
>>79041045
This desu. Pic related sums up the Germans pretty correctly, only now they're going for mutually assured destruction instead of trying to end up on top.
>>79041822
>99% of Brexit voters are blown the fuck out
Statistics that you made up on the spot just makes the shallowness of your banter stand out the better.
>because all their arguments for a Brexit are invalid.
Again an argument backed up by nothing
>They will have to pay ridiculous high sums for EU market access
Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they? UK now has freedom to make deals with anyone anywhere at any time, EU would have to seriously compete with them by giving equally fair deals with UK or suffer accelerated downward spiral of their economy.
>They will still have freedom of travel for EU members
Not for long they don't, the way you talk about it amuses me, it's like you have this autistic vision of all third-rate countries sending floods of poor people to UK, hilarious.
>In the end they will end up paying us (which means Germany, because we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on) even more money than before
Once again, you have provided absolutely nothing to back up your claims, this is all just childish wishful thinking with zero grasp on the reality of things or even rudimentary understanding of economics.
>with ZERO influence in the EU.
and EU has ZERO influence on UK
Finish your preschool before trying again dumbfuck
>>79042341
Ok let me try this again
Statements like those were used to pressure the UK to REMAIN.
Just like Obama said that if the UK left they would be at the back of the queue for deals and yet the day after the vote he came out and said that the special relation with the UK wouldn't be affected by the vote.
>>79040961
>how are 100% of you retards still not aware of this:
They don't have the red, white and blue. What did you expect?
>>79041925
>Of course this can be only negotiation tactics, but I'd bet UK's terms are going to be significantly worse. As has been stated in this thread, EU needs to make an example out of UK. Norway was never even in.
The EU leaders talk a good game while the day is long. That's all they do. Just like Obama said the UK was at the back of the queue when it comes to trade deals then retracted when things didn't go his way.
>>79041142
>the pole in germany is mad the EU is collapsing
>>79041478
Bit like how Napoleon and the German Confederation, or Hitler and Petain, did eh?
Anglos > Franco-German block
>>79041478
t. country that has no nukes threatening one that does.
Look at her. She's a psycho!
>idiot brits vote to leave the EU
>main block voting yes on brexit did so because they want to "secure the borders" and stop immigration
>Brexit vote triggers a massive immigration wave of FIFTY THOUSAND PEOPLE
>no one in England due to EU rights will be deported
Good job there, Brits, you totally accomplished your goal and all you had to do was send your economy into a death spiral!
With maybe the exception of cars the majority of UK exports can easily find buyers outside of the EU.
Can the same be said about EU exports to the UK?
>>79041934
I take your avoidance of answering as "Yes"
Go down those pills with some alcohol, faggot.
>>79042075
If Britain (or England/Wales) tries to start some sort of continental Great Game again it will be laughed off the planet.
Or I dunno, maybe BJ as PM will try to start getting cozy with the Russians or something. Bremain leaders were pretty far out there.
>>79042406
I don't know what to tell you. Do you think trade is a number on a paper? Do you even know what the UK trades in? Do you know what their most exported commodity in terms of trade value is? It's nuclear reactors and boilers and such. High tech. You can't walk up to China or India or Australia and go
>hey guys wanna buy 3387 million worth of nuclear reactors?
>uuuuh... no?
Trade means trade goods and goods need a market, a demand. A lot of the UK exports are high tech stuff like that and aside from the US and the EU, they're not in terribly high demand in emerging economies - not comparable to that in those two regions, And if you exclude yourself from one, you're fucked.
That's why it's nigh impossible. And that's just one example.
>>79042714
You couldn't even defeat France. You've no chance against the EU military.
>>79035436
Since when does Merkel call the shots for the entire European Union?
>>79042850
just read my last post
>>79042823
>>79042785
FTSE 100 and 250 are both up, and never fell as much as DAX or CAC (who are both now also up), and the pound is regaining value and still the highest valued major currency.
>>79035436
If all Pol goes buys Pounds .
then reduces it spending in Europe.
Increase spending on British goods.
Pounds goes up
/pol Profits and jews the jew.
im with this buy Pounds and buy british products next 6 months we can collapse the euro fook the left wing elites and make a Profit.
we could make everything happen quicker.
and make trump look good.
they won't let use Germans vote .
so lets Crash the Euro and make a Profit
>>79041552
Asian cars are the top sellers around the world. They would absolutely love to sell to the UK. They only need to ramp up production of the right hand drive vehicles they already make for Australia.
They (Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai, Kia) could, quite literally, have cars in the UK ready for sale at existing dealerships by the end of next month if Article 50 were invoked today.
When government gets out of the way, businesses will absolutely take advantage of the lack of a German/EU trade deal.
In the past, Australia has put in place temporary trade agreements on certain products while broader, more formal trade deals are negotiated, and those could be in place before David Cameron steps down in October.
Do not underestimate the power of companies to push governments to make shit like this happen.
This isn't a problem for the UK, it's an opportunity.
How is the EU a democratic organisation, again?
>>79042850
>I don't know what to tell you.
Nice job invalidating any argument or claim you had going there, Hans.
The russian rapegenes has really done a number on the intellegience of the german people.
>>79042498
Exactly. My previous doubles confirm this to be fact, rest assured on that one.
>>79042553
>Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they?
Stopped reading there. You probably didn't follow the Brexit at all, did you?
Otherwise you would know that they always planned to obtain the EU market access, even after a Brexit.
And how do you obtain it? By giving much money to the EU like Norway or Switzerland, or in GBs case - as a warning example - even more fuckin money.
>>79042988
Actually VW is the biggest car producer in the world, they reclaimed the top spot despite the scandals.
>>79042553
>Are you fucking stupid? No they don't and why should they? UK now has freedom to make deals with anyone anywhere at any time, EU would have to seriously compete with them by giving equally fair deals with UK or suffer accelerated downward spiral of their economy.
Jesus wept I feel ashamed that I share nationality with this glue sniffer. Google free trade agreements and 21st century global trade and try again, please. This is not a Civ game.
Unless you somehow think the UK can get more beneficial deals with EU (or any) countries on its own, of course...
>>79041822
They will probably have a deal like we have with most of our neighbors where we can travel to any of these countries with so much as a birth certificate and a state issued ID... but we cannot stay there or work there.
>>79042553
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
to be part of the EEA
they have to pay.
they have to accept freedom of movement
they have to accept a bunch of EU-laws
like switzerland and norway.
>>79043027
What do you expect me to do? I feel a bit like trying to explain colour to the blind.
>>79042290
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>India has noting to offer but poo
Time for toilet exports to flourish
>>79042846
Trump has spoken kindly about Putin too. There is already enough sway in motion for Russia to be rejoined into the western clubs.
>>79042274
>w-we'll give them bad deals!
>implying that doesn't just give them the option of making bad counter-deals
If you put tariffs on their goods they'll put tariffs on yours
Kys
>>79042988
oh sorry senpai, didn't mean to quote you
but thanks for rubbing it in for the EU shills here that they got nothing on UK
>>79041822
will never eat an Oreo again
will never buy a VW again
>>79042406
hue, you need to understand something.
At present, we don't even have one tenth of the trained negotiators to begin this process. The legal, economic and constitutional process to untangle this situation is literally beyond comprehension. As much as you may want to suck Leave cock, they have absolutely no fucking idea how to do this, and neither does the British govt.
Quite fucking ironic that Michael 'no experts' Gove is now scrabbling around for experts.
>>79041588
Or the UK will offer them an idological path to leave the EU, readopt the Lira (like the UK has the Pound), and inflate their way out of their debt, and restart there economy in far better shape.
Southern Europe would be better under a UK model of having their own currency, and freeing themselves from EU imposed German model of low-inflation austerity (which works for Germany, but not South Europe).
See how the UK is going to breakup the EU just on economics Franco-German bros?
That's not even pushing the divisions of Merkels Muslim invasion and dividing Germany (and the EU) from European countries on that.
>>79041545
Want free trade while inside EU
>>79043086
>...
Shill spotted
I had a dream where the superstate happened, and then the EU went to war with Britian, America, Australia, Israel , and new Zealand
>>79043220
Hire trump
>>79043220
at present you're also still a member of the EU
Nothing changed yet, except investor panic.
>>79042494
>There won't be a breakup of the EU, for sure.
how do you know that?
>>79042959
>there are minor movements internally before any actual changes have been made
>meanwhile global stock markets are dropping because of uncertainty, England's credit rating has been downgraded, and everyone and their mother are talking about GTFO out England
Oops, you're retarded.
But then the flag told me that already.
there's no free trade without free movement
>>79043095
I guess by "freedom of movement" they mean
"Free movement of workers (which) is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice".
Let's see how this is going on, nevertheless they brexit will be embarassing and painful for GB.
>>79043358
because the butthurt germans just know the UK will go bankrupt while also not affecting their country at all
because muh single market
>>79042916
Practically since she's been in office. Have you been asleep for the past 10 years?
>>79035436
>Angela Merkel warns UK
Honestly the ENTIRE WORLD should be WARNING ANGELA MERKEL to FUCK RIGHT OFF.
pic related
REFUGEES
>>79043362
I wonder if those people have agendas
>>79043149
lol we get £6 back for every £10 we spend in the EU, we have a massive trade defecit.
Go for it EU, tariff the shit out of us, please do.
>>79041901
Worked last time we needed to crush Franco-German hegemony of Europe
Anglo-Russian entene is natural step to counter the continent. Expect the UK to give more and more support to Russian foreign policy at the expense of co-ordination with France if the EU makes itself an enemy of Britain out of spite.
>>79035436
nothing will happen until Juncker and Donald Tusk go. the FT made noises about an "emergency brake" on EU immigration for UK but UK already has one, its just the political cost of using it has been too high- that cultural bias in the EU needs to end first
>>79042949
Not only can the same be said about EU, it's better than the UK because while the UK has (world - EU) to shift their trade, the EU has (world -UK). Guess which one of these is better.
Article 50, is a piece of legislation written by the EU, for the benefit of the EU. It is written to make it hard for a country to leave. That's it's point, it's not of benefit to Britain. So avoiding triggering it till Britain is ready makes sense for Britain.
Delay may make the EU more desperate for Britain to resolve the situation. But that's in Britain's interest.
We should not trigger it if there is another way out,and there is, or till it is best for us. That only makes sense. We have time on our side.
>>79042274
>WTO
This smart alecking Germans do when they repeat arguments given in their government-run media is annoying. You don't know what you're talking about. There is no real enforcement mechanism forcing the UK to take German goods, just as the sanctions against Russia can take place while Russia is a member of the WTO. If the UK wants to sabre-rattle here, they can.
>>79043408
Free movement of workers is a disaster that leads to wage dumping
>>79043262
Anyone who breaks your Trump/Brexit bubble is a shill I guess.
Note. The one good thing with Brexit was that the EU /Bryssels is going have to check its privilege.
For the britbongs, there really are no good Brexit results that aren't imaginary.
>>79043456
Nobody said that. It's not gonna be pretty for the EU either, but if deals really do break down, the UK will take the blunt hit.
>>79041925
Do you think the EU feels in charge?
There won't be an EU to deal with in 2 years time, just a bi/tri-lateral treaty to do with France & Germany.
>>79043363
But why would free movement include e.g. automatic social benefits for everyone?
>>79043507
>Not only can the same be said about EU
except it can't
because every EU countries can't offer great deals to non-EU countries.
You have an entire market that is 100% about protectionism. How exactly will you offer great trade deals to the rest of the world?
>>79035436
wow so they're setting up another England Germany conflict over this nonsense?
>>79043522
No you don't have time on your side. In what fucking world do you live where this continued uncertainty is good for you?
>>79043493
Stop playing Paradox's games. They're not good for you.
>>79043220
If you can help us elect trump. He may give you the art of the deal :^)
>>79042005
Businesses do that in months. Governemnts don't make trade, private enterprises do.
Don't care.
>>79043610
They're not the ones that need to bail out a country every year.
Even if somehow you were absolutely right on the trade aspect of this, which you're not. You're ignoring everything else that makes the EU terrible for developed economies to be in.
>>79043670
By actually having something to offer in return? You're deluded and very wrong if you think access to the UK's market is more valuable than access to the huge market that is the EU.
>>79040961
>it was always about sending a signal that dissent and departure will not be tolerated
So a global version of Al Capone basically
>>79043214
>back in the old days, they had political cartoons like pic related
>in the future, meme pictures will be used to describe history
>>79043702
>two days of market panic
>third day already showing signs of rebound
>continued uncertainty
jesus christ
>>79043362
Cute little Yank banter at the end, but pretty tame stuff tbqh.
>there are minor movements internally before any actual changes have been made
Yeah, they were the brief crash of global markets in wake of Brexit - which have today recovered.
>meanwhile global stock markets are dropping because of uncertainty,
They're not retard, I literally said in my previous post that FTSE, DAX and CAC are all up again - NASDAQ and DOW Jones are both up again too.
>England's credit rating has been downgraded
Britain, and we can recover, it's just uncertainity.
>and everyone and their mother are talking about GTFO out England
I don't particularly care what your mother is saying, the markets say we're over the worst, Merkel says we shouldn't bully Britain, and global trade says that Germany can't afford to kill a major market for its failing project.
>>79043737
>businessess build billion dollar markets in foreign countries in months
lol
>>79043098
>to be part of the EEA
>they have to pay.
>they have to accept freedom of movement
>they have to accept a bunch of EU-laws
Or, as part of the EEA they can activate article 112 ad infinitum and not accept freedom of movement to the helpless annoyance of others.
>1. If serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties of a sectorial or regional nature liable to persist are arising, a Contracting Party may unilaterally take appropriate measures under the conditions and procedures laid down in Article 113.
http://www.efta.int/media/documents/legal-texts/eea/the-eea-agreement/Main%20Text%20of%20the%20Agreement/EEAagreement.pdf
>>79043798
>By actually having something to offer in return?
But the UK does.
And please don't talk like the EU is anything more than France and you guys at this point.
>>79041382
>>79040611
>>79041545
>>79042785
EU is going down hard. We just need to wait it out.
>>79043857
They actually do. Do you really think government controls everything still?
>>79043928
That's ridiculous. You're ridiculous. Southern and Eastern Europe are huge outlets. They may not be as economically powerful and Germany or Spain, but that doesn't mean there are not huge amounts of people living and willing to spend money there.
>tfw you try to remember what happened the last time Germany and the UK were major economic rivals and Germany dominated continental affairs
>>79042302
Should have vetoed your reunification.
Let's see the UK play outside the Continental system as the EU burns itself down, toss some fuel on the fire. Your empire is a paper tiger.
>>79044031
It takes years if successful.
>>79043986
Jesus Christ how did people ever agree to enter this shit? Other than media mass shilling of course
>>79044046
>hey may not be as economically powerful and Germany or Spain
>economically powerful as Spain
Is this a joke or something?
>>79044075
And the UK is ruling the waves? How about you try to think again who's all bark no bite here.
>>79044127
Obviously meant to write France.
>>79044090
>it takes years
not that's government
businesses can't afford to be over bureaucratic and slow like that
>>79043537
Witch keeps you competetiv with the 0.1 cent/houer worker over seas.
It keeps intelegence flowing. Knolage. And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fullfill its dreams.
Only because youre a retard it means not that others are too.
>>79035436
Good.
We will arrange freedom of labour movement with Australia, NZ, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Iceland, America, Canada and fucking close out your marketplace if you seal any portion of it off to us you fucking cunts.
I hope to see the flames from across the channel in my lifetime, not NLbros but the rest.
>>79041822
>we have a German hegemony in Continental Europe from now on
why the fuck do you want to go down this road again? Serious question.
>>79044178
>Obviously
Get a grip son, you haven't destroyed the borders yet at least remember the name of the countries you're talking about
>>79043702
The initial shock is now over and stabilising for Britain. Focus will now shift to what effects this act will have in the EU. It won't be long till the next EU problem they come so often. Greece bailout is not long off for example.
It would be better if it was settled, but not at the EU terms.
>>79044190
It's not a matter of bureaucracy, it's a matter of logistics and market forces.
You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling a bajillion liters in a week.
>>79041132
Retard. We have no leverage und would shoot ourselves in the foot
>>79044318
More than we would shoot the UK? Certainly not.
>>79043926
you dont need a college degree to understand that start-ups and investions may be reconsidered because of the unkown future of the UK, EU and their relationship.
adn the market got hit pretty hard considering the Brexti will need years to happen if ever at all.
>>79041399
I'm sure the strongest economy in Europe and among the strongest in the world with an AAA credit rating can handle this without flinching.
Also 7-1.
>>79044251
>And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fullfill its dreams.
Cleaning toilets for a pittance while also betraying your nation? Whose dream is that?
>>79044374
was meant for
>>79043851
>>79042856
Give it up, Hans. You lost twice and if you're stupid enough to start shit AGAIN, then you WILL lose for the third time.
>>79043928
>don't talk like the EU is anything more than France and you guys at this point.
Holy moley, hue. EU is the largest economy and the largest trading block in the world. It's not just France and Germany ffs.
>>79044300
>You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling a bajillion liters in a week.
what is with you and false equivalencies?
Why are you so dishonest?
If you want to use that example you have to change it to
>You can't go from selling no ice cream in a street a week to selling in a different street.
And yes you can do that.
>>79042846
Finland all you have ever done in foreign policy is suck Russian cock in the hope they won't fuck you up the ass.
Having agency in foreign policy is something beyond your national comprehension. A nation can be more than just a passive victim and plaything.
>>79043610
>It's not gonna be pretty for the EU either, but if deals really do break down, the UK will take the blunt hit.
So why do we have to split acrimoniously then?
>>79035436
What do you mean UK can't have access to a single market? How the fuck do you stop access to a market? If I buy something from the UK, it's going to fly or ride a ship to the USA and delivered to me. You mad bitch?
>>79044075
Not even the USA and Russia could have stopped that.
>>79044142
>How about you try to think again who's all bark no bite here.
That's Germany in this case. Stop taking reassuring crap from the German press for granted. It's just desperation on their part ... and quite redolent of the last ditch rallying cry of "Roosevelt is dead; we have won the war."
>>79044492
Are you willfully ignorant? And no, you can't. It takes time to build a consumer base, especially with the level of magnitude we're talking here and with the level of technology at play.
>>79037268
Muslim democrats you mean.
>>79042494
It's over lad, the EU is on its deathbed and resentment towards the EU from the remaining "members" is only going one way and Germany will be left with the shit to clear up.
Prepare your anus, it's going to be a wild, Muslim filled ride.
>>79044251
>Witch keeps you competetiv with the 0.1 cent/houer worker over seas.
Nope:
1. Switzerland (free movement but not EU)
2. Singapore (not EU, not free movement)
3. USA (")
Literally no correlation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Competitiveness_Report
>It keeps intelegence flowing. Knolage.
I've never learnt anything from minimum wage Poles. Academia can travel without free movement anyway - hence why British Universities have outreach programmes with the whole world.
>And for the common man a way to find a better place to live and fulfill its dreams.
So in other words, the poor of Europe can flood the richer countries? I'll pass, thanks.
>>79044374
Actually they are probably considering a UK where they don't have to follow as many regulatory bullshit laws that other EU countries have to.
>adn the market got hit pretty hard considering the Brexti will need years to happen if ever at all.
You don't need a college degree to understand that investor panic because of a bad call is not the same of fundamental that would actually create long term volatility
>>79044496
On the contrary, Finland has had one the most successful European foreign (and defence) policies among the European countries. Hence, no fucking up the ass by the Russkies OR the Germans.
This is a well established fact. I have to admit, though, that I have no idea what Australians foreign policies have been except to suck UK/USA cock, consecutively.
>>79043526
>If the UK wants to sabre-rattle here, they can.
10% of EU exports to the UK. 50% of UK exports go to EU. They can rattle for 10 days until they go bankrupt.
>>79042916
Tell me, what do you think the EU is? And I don't mean the official definition of what the EU entails. What is the EU really. What is its purpose. Maybe then you'll get why Merkel "is calling the shots".
>>79044543
They mean single market as in The European Single Market.
Not as in "you won't have access to one single market, anywhere in the world".
>>79044452
something something emus
>>79044522
Because the EU is butthurt of course.
And the UK is not exactly making friends with its "yeah we'll leave whenever lol" attitude.
>>79044473
The only reason is largest trading block in the world is because of those 2 countries. But sure be in denial that your economy is incredibly relevant to the world
>>79044720
>they don't have to follow as many regulatory bullshit laws that other EU countries have to.
You're talking like a child. If they want to trade with EU countries (remember, still the largest economy and trading block in the world), they will sure as shit have to comply.
>>79043702
Helps to crash the EU
>>79044814
Finland gave us Nokia, what the fuck did Brazil ever produce?
>>79041478
>crush a country with nukes
ebin
>>79044726
>tfw your country is literally used to describe being cucked by other countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization
Wait, what is the endgame here? Every nation of Europe has to join the german led "ever closer" union or they will suffer? Is this basically german conquest of Europe?
>>79038519
a) napoleon did nothing wrong b) hitler did nothing wrong c) the EU is not comperable to either the french or german empires d) kill yourself
>>79044863
I'm talking about a UK free of EU.
why are you replying to a post that wasn't directed at you, you're not even part of this conversation and if you want to be you should at least understand what is it about.
>>79038519
Except now the US is the big boy on the block and we're explicitly pro-EU
Finally we get to spread the cheeks of the eternal anglo
>>79044784
So cos some politicians are butthurt we cant be friends. Your giving us ammo for leaving
I would love to leave right now but our PM has just resigned and were trying to get a new one.
>>79035436
Damn, UK now will pussy out and strike a ''deal'' with EU. Mark my words.
>>79044889
not an argument
Their economy is not relevant. The EU is relevant and it's only relevant because the UK, France and Germany.
>>79044751
>10% of EU exports to the UK. 50% of UK exports go to EU. They can rattle for 10 days until they go bankrupt.
The UK has a trade deficit with the EU and it is the EU whose outlook is immediately shitty.
>>79044631
The centralized EU will force a distribution of the refugees on the EU members.
Just wait for the new EU, you guys made space for radical reforms and German hegemony. We will establish Ordnung.
>>79044922
You're late to the party. That's exactly what it is and always was.
>>79035436
Heil Merkel
Of course they wont get access to the EU market. If we'd allow that, the UK would be better off economically than before, since they could also negate individual trade agreements with other nations, without restraints put upon them by the EU commission (=other free market members).
That's not even negotiable. They will lose access to the EU market. They were told they would lose that access.
From what I've heard, 80.000 (!) of the highest paid jobs from London City are going to migrate into the EU over this. Thousands are already gone.
UK has their independence back, sure. But their economy is definitely going to take a huge hit over this.
>>79044900
>what are the sanctions on russia
>>79041478
Kek, it's rather pathetic Germany
Emperor, Nazi, Cuck, you always exist to get BTFO by the Western World
>>79044814
Hue, please. Germany accounts for 623 billion and France 258 billion euros of intra-EU trade. Netherlands alone accounts for 382 billion and the rest of countries somewhere around 1200 billion (exl. UK with 178 billion). And yes, EU is the most important trading partner in the global trade as well.
Fucking stop talking about this please.
>>79044922
Pretty much, Germans man, every fucking time.
>>79043714
Read AJP Taylors view on what Britains foreign policy should have been post WW2 to secure Britains national security/interest.
Back then there were good ideological reasons not to embrace the natural Anglo-Russian alliance to counter a Franco-German continent. Now that has reversed, and we will have a nationalist (whether they realise it yet or not, thats what Brexit is) UK and a nationalist Russia versus a pro-Islam anti-nationalist EU.
The US is retreating from Europe and we are returning to the natural faultlines of European power.
>>79044997
>I'm talking about a UK free of EU.
wont happen anyways
they cant just say screw you europe with all their ties economic to the european mainland.
negoating deals outside of the EU with countries like the US may take a decade to be in effect.
>>79045059
Tell me again how losing 10% of your exports is worse than losing 50% of your exports.
>>79044907
Nah, just succesful foreign policy. It got what it wanted, no?
>>79043928
That's outrageously stupid. The EU might be the best market in the world if you want to sell stuff. You have around 600 millions people ALL with money to spend thanks to subventions and redistribution, it's nothing alike something like China in which only a fraction really has money to spend.
And UK is so small, it doesn't even compete
>>79045236
So now you're saying that there won't be a Brexit.
Why are still in denial?
>>79045160
Germany IS the Western World. Thanks to the Britbongs abandoning their influence in continental Europe.
>>79045058
Hue, please go check export stats for EU countries.
Gee. Cant we all just get along. The UK just doesn't want to be run by you anymore. Get over it
>>79045144
>f we'd allow that, the UK would be better off economically than before
To not allow it would mean the EU would be substantially weaker than before.
>They were told they would lose that access.
Source.
>From what I've heard, 80.000 (!) of the highest paid jobs from London City are going to migrate into the EU over this. Thousands are already gone.
No, it was 2000 - some newspapers said "it could go as high as 50,000" with no source and no comment by the bank (HSBC).
The idea that a common law, Parliamentary, long-time stable system is challenged by Frankfurt is laughable.
>>79043857
Yes they do. If you think your EU will be a Warsaw Pact, and that somehow Britain (or any nation) needs a planned economy, then you'll have the same fate as every planned economy.
Who's ready for the Franco-German empire?
>>79045323
they are leaving the EU and not cutting all ties with europe.
>>79045359
LOOK AT MEIN
>>79045214
I'm not arguing against britbongs having had a divide-strategy in the continent up until WW2. I'm just saying it would be beyond ridiculous to try something like that now.
>>79045265
It retained some independence, though you were forced into neutrality. I agree it is definitely the pragmatic approach, but no-one would wish to imitate Finnish foreign policy if they could avoid it.
>>79041388
Fuck off Ahmed.
>>79044368
What is there to gain besides fucking them up for no reason?
And do you really think we would threaten them so they stay if it would be good for us and bad for them if they leave?
>>79045323
Do you really think GB is going to cancel all import from EU because of the Brexit? You are ridiculous confused if you think our economies aren't highly entangled, in favor of the EU
>>79045047
Consider them marked.
Perhaps, but I doubt it, there is a growing feeling of optimism. We are in uncharted waters, so it is for us to make our own charts. A freedom of possibilities that we have not have for a long time.
It's going to be interesting.
I still can't believe there is no limit on how long someone in Germany can remain as Chancellor.
>>79045144
You're delusional. The UK have access to the EU market and they will in all likelihood keep it. The German press, on Merkel's instructions, will maintain otherwise until the very day negotiations are concluded because they don't want any other country trying to extract concessions or leave the EU. It's not something to be taken too seriously, no matter how many "experts" in the German press guarantee it.
>>79045083
>German hegemony
This kills the EU.
>>79045499
>>79045499
It retained its independence, end of. True, some licking of soviet balls after WW2 was involved, but there really wasn't a choice. It was made clear that an invasion of Finland was a terrible idea.
>>79045538
> in favor of the EU
We have a trade deficit you fucking nonce. Britain imports MORE than it sells - therefore if we imposed a tariff on those imports we would make more money than our losses, and more money than you from it.
You Krauts are so dense.
>>79044046
Your model doesn't work in Southern Europe.
What are the unemployment rates in Southern Europe?
It's over. The EU is finished. The UK was the first, Southern Europe will leave for economic/currency reasons alone, and peripheral nations will leave based on immigration and your Muslim invasion soon too. The trail has been blazed by Britain, and soon Britain will be an active agent in leading them to follow.
France and Germany stand alone.
>>79045530
Thanks m8 for your voice of reason.
If the EU comes down too heavy on us for no good reason wont that reduce trust between EU nations. No one likes a bully
>>79045652
Yeah I don't deny that it worked for Finland, but I reject the premise that anyone would want to be in that situation - and that Australia's foreign policy is much preferable.
>Englels leave EU
>completely concede any shared monopoly they had with Germany on the EU power-structure and allow it to run rampant on the rest of Europe
when will they learn?
>>79035436
This only strengthens the argument for the dissolution of the EU. Merkel is a fucking tyrant. I hope the EU dies within the next decade.
>>79045644
well europe has to do SOMETHING to get more unified. europe will fade into irrelevance and wont be able to compete with future superpowers like china, india und the US.
>>79041132
their currency has been devalued
you are losing money by pulling out of the UK
what a bunch of asshurt imbiciles
>>79044142
Southern Europe is about to leave over economics and currency.
Every peripheral nation is about to leave over Muslim immigration.
Britain showed them it can be done and slayed the EU dragon of ever progressive unity always marching forward, and will now be active agents pulling nations the same way out.
IT'S OGRE
Can someone explain to me how countries like Japan and the US trade with Europe? Why exactly do we need to be in the EEC with all that it entails to trade?
>>79045818
>this meme
>>79045759
Australia doesn't have a 1200 km border with an aggressive neigbour (you island nations, really...) and I kinda doubt if it has had an independent foreign policy either. It's all USA at the moment.
>>79045016
If only Shillary loses to Trump. Won't hold my breath though.
>>79045818
all states will become more irrelevant as we become mroe globalized and decentralized
That was the EU's mistake. At first it had the right idea but then it doubled back so that it's also a political union and not just a globalization zone.
Corporate Citizenship Productization is coming and there's nothing statecucks can do about it.
>>79045862
japan and the US dont have a FTA with the EU
you pay tarrifs on alot of inports and exports.
>>79045856
Southern Europe will be the absolute last member states to leave the union mate.
>>79045818
As swede bro says. Meme.
Plenty of soverign countries in the world doing fine. Infact its the norm. Its the EU bloc thats fracturing at the moment
>>79045768
>he believes this
>>79044251
>Knolage
>>79045359
>Germany IS the Western World
Get real, Hans. Your European "Union" is a failure. It'll be fun when you sperg out and try to take Britain again. It'll be fun carpet-bombing your cities and "sampling" your women again
>>79045862
Ever wondered why US electronics are more expensive in the EU?
>>79045912
>Australia doesn't have a 1200 km border with an aggressive neigbour (you island nations, really...)
Don't remember saying it did m888. All I'm saying is that foreign-policy wise, who wouldn't prefer to be Australia than Finland?
>I kinda doubt if it has had an independent foreign policy either. It's all USA at the moment.
It hasn't got the population to be a world power, but all it needs to do is ally with the naval power of the region, keep trade flowing and bask in the wealth that will follow, Australia clearly has a large degree of independence of action, hence why they're forging greater links to China.
>>79045862
since the EU is a shared economy it makes more sense for countries like the US or Japan to trade with the European block because their credit ratings are generally much less prone to a volatile market. If it's just a single country without any financial union they won't get absolutely any backing if they fail to meet demands which means the money flow is interrupted.
>>79046018
Every single sovereign country in the world with the possible exception of North Korea is on a constant lookout for favourable free trade areas. EU's area works the best in the world.
I kinda salute you britbongs for flipping that off, but ffs don't assume it's going to be smooth sailing for you guys from now on.
>>79045729
True. And we are already threatening other nations over the refugee crisis.
This whole EU project will crash soon if we don't drastically change course. It has already begun with brexit
>>79043051
lol we operate at a MASSIVE TRADE DEFECIT with the EU.
You guys need US.
We can fuck off Germany and get cars from Asia. We have Indian colonies that speak English. Australia. We can have a better deal with the US.
Fuck the EU. Good luck holding up your economy without the UK, Germany exports way more to the UK than it imports.
Alos, the pound is now stable, more powerful than the euro. FTSE is now stable.
gg.
>>79046122
why the fuck would the US aid Britain in that scenario? You fucks wouldn't benefit from it financially at all. Your presidents don't come to /pol/ to shitpost for meme-magic, the only magic they know is the green magic.
>>79044726
This is what Finns actually believe. You were a Soviet client state. Your country is literally a meme for not having agency in your foreign policy, Finlandization.
I'm not saying you could have achieved more, just that you do not know what it is to have agency in your foreign policy, or to be anything other than submissive to other countries interests.
Some countries, like Britain, do have agency in foreign policy, and are not submissive to others interests. We operate under different frameworks m8, just the way it is.
>>79046122
>Your European "Union" is a failure
At least you admit it's OUR union. How is it a failure? It still exists, Britain left and has to pay even more money than before without any influence.
Sounds pretty successful.
>>79046018
they are doing fine because we have the US protecting them and doing the dirty work they cant do. The only reason why europe is still a thing is because the US wants it that way.
Thats just the truth most europeans dont want to accept... without the US we would be in a serious trouble.
>>79046131
Yep, Australia indeed has a more favourable position. But it still doesn't have proper foreign policies, at least in the sense that they would have been tested by others.
Nothing against aussies, I'd love to go there for a holiday some time.
>>79035436
Just remember David Cameroon went to Brussels with moderate proposals and gets fuck all been in the Eu for 42 years helped liberate the CUNTS in ww2
Turkey gets free access€ 7.2b and makes mugs of them and is gonna send 250,000 migrants a year
I don't care if I have to live poor for the rest of my life just get my country away from the German cancer should have let the Jews poison you all in 1945 look it up
>>79046190
>You guys need US etc. etc.
This is what brexitbongs actually believe.
>>79044941
What they did wrong was not be England, and threaten to be more powerful in the world/region than England. National self-interest, nothing more.
The EU on the other hand does everything wrong, and unless it is destroyed it will destroy Europe and replace it with Arabia/Africa.
>>79046190
>We can fuck off Germany and get cars from Asia
You fucks don't even want cars from Asia. Remember that a large portion of your voterbase for the referendum was also for remain which means you'll have a lot of agitated people that think the rest of the country denied them their personal luxury and benefits. Leavers will be much more willing to agree to compromises, remainers will throw a fucking temper tantrum if they can't get their German cars at a fair price anymore.
And I'm not talking from personal interest here, you KNOW this is going to be the case, a lot of remainers are a bunch of babies that act like abysmal losers. It's a fucking 100% certainity you're going to have pissy people being mad as fuck over any foreign product they enjoyed that came directly from a country with trade agreements that are fucked now.
>>79045016
Obama is too lazy to effect anything other than having a whinge.
You should know that Blacks are low-agency m8, Black run America is not going to effect anything.
Krauts are salty that they've failed to take over Europe again.
>>79045083
>forced
There you go Hans, that's why the resentment grows.
The EU members will call a halt to Germany going in dry on them, it's all a matter of time.
>>79046323
Poland was a soviet client state. The rest of the Warsaw pact were soviet client states.
When I say that Finland was not under soviet control and not their client state, I'm not being some butthurt mongol. These are facts, m8, they really are. I'm not going to start arguing over them in /pol/, please use google or even better, proper academic sources.
>>79046713
just wait
you'll fucks come crawling back
>>79044375
Yeah that's gonna be great when you heavily export to the UK. Enjoy the tariffs.
Gonna be such a great economy when you have to repeatedly bail people out. Nice that your currency is so much stronger than GBP. ohwait.
>>79041388
human?
>>79045251
UK is an import economy, if you tariffed that 50% and we tariffed that 10%, we would make a profit.
Derp.
>>79046328
>At least you admit it's OUR union. How is it a failure? It still exists
>existing=success
your splitting mein sides hans
>>79046845
hey what is this? I heard your credit rating is AA.
Fun fact: Did you know that there is actually a credit rating between AAA and AA? It's AA+. You fucks skipped an entire credit rating.
Fun fact 2: Germany has had the most stable rating consistency in Europe for a long while now
>>79046769
This will come after the EU has been successfully centralized.
Just wait for the next happenings.
>>79045251
>Tell me again how losing 10% of your exports is worse than losing 50% of your exports.
The UK won't lose the 40% of exports or less that go to the EU either way and businesses can adjust over time, as they probably already are now, to manage risk; some businesses will focus towards other markets, and especially the internal market where the voids from EU imports gotta get filled.
The EU can't live without its exports to the UK, however. The EU is simply in the red and it's getting worse.
Moreover, the UK can strategically target the reduction in imports of specific goods from specific vulnerable countries, for example Germany in case it gets belligerent in negotiations. There's no reason to treat the EU as a whole. That's an EU fiction that doesn't have to be entertained.
>>79045495
Why?
Everyone here understands that either the EU dies or the EU punishes Britain into submission as a warning to other countries in order to survive.
Like I said in my first post ITT, people may not realise it yet, but Britains top foreign policy objective now is necessarily the dissolution of the EU. They are de facto at war with two competing visions for Europe.
The UK can split Southern Europe from France and German on economic/currency issues, and the rest of peripheral Europe on immigration and race issues (which is what Brexit was about and won it there).
>>79047095
You forgot
>Britain left and has to pay even more money than before without any influence.
>>79046170
I agree. Merkel needs to be replaced asap. She has lost it. She and her cohorts are causing division where there needs to be understanding and TOLERANCE lol. I want our countries to be friendly and cooperate but she seems to want to be the dictator.
Neither Germany or any other country has a divine right to 'rule' the EU. If any country starts to throw their weight around too muchit will push the others away and start to break up the EU. As you mention, the migrant crisis and the way that Merkel has handled it probably did enough to push the UK out of the EU
>>79046845
enjoy getting poorer because of higher prices
enjoy loosing jobs depending on the imports
enjoy trying to build up your own industry and realize that you still cant compete with the german one.
>>79047191
>>Britain left and has to pay even more money than before without any influence.
Countries outside the EU have more influence on EU policies than countries inside the EU, unless they're France and Germany.
>>79047191
>Britain left and has to pay even more money than before without any influence.
How you retard?
>>79047195
You know which countries are capable of pushing their weight around in the first place? Those that have any in the first place.
Now shut the fuck up and sit down.
>>79047180
>Everyone here understands that either the EU dies or the EU punishes Britain into submission as a warning to other countries in order to survive.
I, for one, believe that this is too melodramatic and no pounding in submission will be necessary. There may be some slaps on the wrist, but once it is revealed how fucking awful idea it was to leave the single market area for a worse deal in the single market area, no member state will want to go there.
>>79047138
>Next happenings will sucessfully centralise EU
Regards this as a victory and not the beginning of the end of the EU
>>79046241
Because we fight for nationalism now and the creation of the greater anglo state. In the end we will help the nationalists in your own countries overthrow local governance and it will be fine, snicker snack.
>>79047561
yeah, and then you wake up and realize your politicians are corrupt crooks who don't give a shit about any of that. It's all about the money. Europe has money. Englels don't.
>>79047474
How is it an awful idea?
Tariff on EU products + no free movement + no EU contribution + global trade deals is far better than our current deal.
Of course that won't even be necessary, because I assume Germany wants to maintain its auto-industry.
>>79046428
I'm not knocking Finland, I'm knocking that Finnish understanding of other countries potential foreign policy options based upon the Finnish experience.
>>79047286
Provided the British gvt and the Bank of England still have some brain functions left, they will want to continue trading in the EU single market.
After Brexit the agreement between UK and EU will have to be renegotiated and the result for UK will be more expensive or at the best the same, but with no voice to influence the decision-making processes in Brussels. Of course you're free to stop this trade any time you want, but hoo boy that's going to be even more expensive.
And that is how you chav.
>>79047304
>Now shut the fuck up and sit down
You're just confirming it was the right decision to leave with that attitude
>>79047670
Those who voted leaves know the Jew games and won't care one way or another. Those who make noise will out themselves as traitors. It WILL be fine.
>>79035658
Stockholm syndrome: The post.
>>79047674
Here:
>>79047759
If UK quits EEA altogether and tries to build new global trade agreements, hey, all the best with that. I'm guessing this is something you'll probably try to do anyway. It's not just very likely to work out better for UK alone than as a part of EU.
Boring German cucks are going through the seven stages of denial
Where are we now anger or denial
Jesus, the krauts are salty today. I guess they're just angry that a rogue nation-state escaped from the fourth reich.
>>79047722
Again, on the contrary. I doubt there have been more skilled foreign policy experts than Finns during and after the WW2. They basically had to walk a tightrope and be aware of everything that happens, not only in their own neighbourhood, but in the larger world as well.
Australia, however, has never had to think about any of this.
>People still don't believe that the EU is shaping up to be a globalist socialist Reich as opposed to national socialist with Hitler.
In time you'll start pressuring other nations to not even think about leaving; then you'll remove Article 50 altogether and station EU troops in problematic member countries in order to rule them out of fear.
>>79048113
Australia don't need to worry about being invaded though, the wildlife is more than enough to take care of anyone who tries.
>>79047963
Not even german, just amazed how delusional the brexit people are over their options.
>>79047759
>>79047759
So you immediately prove my point that "Tariff on EU products + no free movement + no EU contribution + global trade deals" is better, by stating "fter Brexit the agreement between UK and EU will have to be renegotiated and the result for UK will be more expensive or at the best the same".
Nice one.
So if the EU decides it wants Britain to pay higher contributions (which Canada doesn't pay any with an FTA, and Noway pays lower and far more transparent ones), Britain says "OK, we tariff EU goods." Thus by far making up our losses due to the TRADE DEFICIT.
>It's not just very likely to work out better for UK alone than as a part of EU.
Yeah, like it didn't work for Switzerland or Iceland? Fuck off retard, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>79048223
What's amazing is how dumb you are to believe the censored press in the EU on Britain's options.
>>79048223
Weve decided to put National Sovereinty above shekels. Its a trade-off. Just accept it
>>79048223
The Brits don't even realize the EU members, and especially Germany, doesn't have to worry.
We have the whip hand.
why so many salty EUrophiles on /pol/?
>>79048113
All you did was be compliant with Soviet directions and submit your foreign policy agency to them. Nothing more.
You do not comprehend that other countries have free agency in their foreign policy to act in their own interests independent of others.
The UK can, and necessarily will, pursue an anti-EU policy to seek the dissolution of the EU.
>>79048035
They've been salty as fuck for 4 days, it's hilarious.
They're so butthurt at the prospect of their glorious union being destroyed and fucking their economy after they tried so hard to succeed without going to war this time.
And it's all coming crumbling down.
;____; poor germany. rofl. I'm interested to see what their newspapers are saying, it must be their media giving them this idea that britain is somehow failing when our pound has fared better than the euro and our stock market better than the german economy.
Good luck propping up smaller economies and bailing them out. Good luck trying to trade with us considering you sell way more to us than we do to you. Tariff that guys, I dare you.
>>79048399
>The Brits don't even realize the EU members, and especially Germany, doesn't have to worry.
>We have the whip hand.
Exactly. Just like when Roosevelt died in 1945 and the Allies didn't know it yet but the Germans just won the war.
Why don't we just make a new EEC from the non EU Scandanavian countries? I'm sure Iceland and Norway would appreciate the economic security and trade boost
>>79048285
>Yeah, like it didn't work for Switzerland or Iceland? Fuck off retard, you don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah it didn't. They have worse deals than the EU member states. As has been stated about 27 times in this thread. I won't explain again why.
And if you think you're going to get Norway's, Switzerland's or even Iceland's deal with the EU easily, you're hallucinating. Remember, they were never even members, so no butthurt feelings.
And no, you don't have that much leverage.
>>79048378
Yeah now that's something I can appreciate and honor. You're probably the first britbong to realize this trade-off.
>>79048583
>ad absurdum
>>79048439
Yes. Its opened my eyes.
EU, the ideal:
Free democratic nations pooling democracy for mutual benefit
The reality:
Try to leave and I WILL fuck you up as an example to the others!
>>79047138
Bring in laws all you like, go crazy but when someone decides enough is enough, what can you do?
Send the army?
Cripple their economy?
Remove their leaders?
>>79048713
This is actually the propaganda your government put out in 1945. I know it's absurd, and it's just as absurd as getting your information from reassuring "experts" in the German press who all happen to be pro-EU.
>>79048457
Nope. Again, not butthurt, but that is not the case. Moscow never had any direct say in Finland's foreign policies. It only had the threat of another invasion (which pretty ended after the late 1940s) and later some trade agreement pressures.
Finland was a western democracy and it was in the interest of both Soviet Union and Finland to keep it that way. Of course Finns chose to be careful with their giant neighbour, they're not idiots.
Remember, the only two participating European countries' capitals that were not conquered in WW2 were London... and Helsinki.
Also, please do not think that UK has the degree of free agency (or the force to implement it) now as it did before WW2.
This thread reminds me why most of the world hates Krauts.
>>79041132
So what you're saying is; both countries lose out if Germany doesn't cooperate with us?
Good, that's the situation we were looking for.
>>79048644
They have trade deals with China you mong - which the EU cannot even negotiate.
We're a country of 60 million, with a massive trade deficit with the EU - you're goddamn right we won't get a Norway- or Switzerland-style deal, we'll get a British deal.
If their deals are so worse, pray tell why they don't want to join?
>Remember, they were never even members, so no butthurt feelings.
Us being treated differently because we were once members is literally predicated on butthurt.
>And no, you don't have that much leverage.
The leverage to restrict access to our wealthy market of 60 million, to decimate the German automotive industry? We're got far more negotiating power than any other non-EU member in Europe - and we've got the advantage over the EU.
Prove me wrong, stop with the empty platitudes that "You won't do this" "You're hallucinating". Tell me why.
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