Venezuelans of /pol/ are you still alive? How does actual happenings feel?
this is the fifth thread today that goes without response, I think they are all gone, I least they now know how is to play real life Fallout
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theyre a bunch of dead niggers
hehe
>>78985982
Would now be the right time for them to show people their power level?
Feels like earning less than 20$ a month.
>>78986296
That in dollars or Bolivars?
>>78986296
You should grow dope and sell it to Americans
>>78986397
Bolivars, I've been slowly buying dollars with what's left.
>>78986420
The government monopolized the drug market :^) at least the exports
>>78986665
Are people getting pissed with the government?
Do you think there's a chance that riots can start breaking out?
>>78986665
>Bolivars
yikes man that sucks, are you in one of the gated communities, the city, or out in the country?
>>78986879
There have been at least 10 small riots a week for the past month or so, but you don't get to see that on TV.
Hang in there, Venezuela.
Even if you don't rise up and overthrow your masters, take solace in the fact that the dead can no longer feel pain.
>>78986948
I'm in a city, the government sells dollars to "people" in raffles at relatively good rates, but of course you never get selected in those so you have to find people who sell at about 1000 bs per $.
>>78987347
How close are things to breaking down? Are people starving yet?
>>78987124
Except for the fact that a pretty famous grave got looted about a week ago.
I legit wish I could send money to Venezuelan /pol/lacks. One hour of work is like a month's income for them. They'd need it a shitload more than I would.
>>78987061
When was the last time you had real toilet paper?
>>78987479
Was is Simon Bolivar's?
>>78987414
Well you can see people eating from the trash that never gets picked up by the public service, you also see people making lines for an entire day just to get one regulated product, and then there's the people that have to eat about twice sometimes once a day. The government started giving out family packages but those are only for supporters and looters.
>>78987704
Hey Comrade!
Does Socialism work?
>>78987568
I was waiting for this question, I'm taking a shit right now and I'm going take advantage of the fact that there's water today so I don't have to waste toilet paper.
>>78987570
Romulo gallego's, an ex-president I think.
>Chile had a Pinochet
>We had a Chavez
JUST
>>78987939
Why hasn't there been a coup attempt yet? It seems like everyone's getting fucked by the government. Where's the revolution?
>>78987764
Obviously not, this shit is like fucking aids. As soon as I heard that the US had to vote between a socialist, shillary and a celebrity I knew you guys were fucked.
>>78988210
It's so infuriating to talk to these socialists who are part of the Cult of Sanders saying how great socialism is. I point out Venezuela and the fact that Sanders said breadlines were good and he praised Chavez and it goes something like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
>Caracas has a 119,87 murder rate per 100 000
Any Caracas anon here? How does it feel to live in a literal PvP zone?
>>78988377
Welcome to the daily life of a Venezuelan in America
>>78988210
Yeah but.... That's not real socialism.. Right?
10 years ago every Brazilian leftist was praising Hugo Chávez to heavens, saying his policies were models we should emulate.
I so wish we could send them all to Caracas right now so they could fight for food with the dogs.
>>78988124
Only the military make coups, I think, and they hold the government. I guess any resistance got taken care of back in 2014, or is in Táchira and Merida, those fuckers are though. Still, insecurity keeps everyone who's not starving in their houses.
>>78988124
the military is well armed with relatively modern jets, tanks and even torpedo boats. they bought a license from the russians and set up a few ak-47 factories in the early 00s as well. civilians have no guns. even riot police is armed to the teeth. a revolution would be quickly crushed unless the US organizes it and supports it with special forces
>>78984611
What happen
>>78988434
why are south and central Americans so violent?
>>78988124
Military is literally Chavista territory
Its not even fucking Pinochet-tier
And the US aint gonna do shit but somehow ignore the whole fucking mess
Is there anything we can do to help?
>>78988210
Trump isn't a celebrity you moron. He's as much a celebrity as Steven Hawkins is. If you weren't 17 years old you'd know Trump has gotten his celeb status from his incredibly succesful business and entrepreneurship record back in the 70's and 80's.
Funny how you know the US is fucked when you belong to a tribe of trash eaters.
>>78988434
Lol
>St. Louis
>Baltimore
>Detroit
>New Orleans
Gee, what do these cities have in common?
Does anyone have that webm of the Venezuelan school passing around the same meal, and taking photos of each individual student so they can post on social media about how well they're doing?
>>78984611
>all the wealthy ones with computers flee.All that is left are phone niggers
>>78988526 see this >>78988377
>>78988508
I feel for you bro, how long can the "that's not real socialism" argument last?
>>78988646
Socialism
>>78988752
I mean Trump did host the Celebrity Apprentice, he is a celebrity
>>78988640
Is it true the military sells drugs?
>>78988708
hot spanish blood coursing through their veins
they long for conquest
>>78988533
>I so wish we could send them all to Caracas right now so they could fight for food with the dogs.
There are... other ways.
How can there still be socialist parties with huge voter bases in Latin America today???
They can't keep getting away with this!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yfUTBKpodA
What was the last time you saw this bro?
>>78988863
south americans are like 90% or more retarded monkeys who don't deserve democracy
>>78988434
>All those cities in Brazil
>90% of them are in the Northern/Northeastern region
And people say we shouldn't build a wall to separate them from the rest of the country
What exactly is happening in Venezuela?
Go to murica and cuck them based Venezuelans. They love tan cock.
>>78989179
The country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world went bankrupt.
So socialism happened.
>>78987505
> send money
I agree. At least a care package to redpilled /pol/ Venezuelans. You know it wouldn't make it to the recipient though.
>>78989179
Not-real-socialism.
>>78989179
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela
tl;dr retard government institutes insane price controls sending the economy into freefall and blame the American government for it
>>78988708
I guess it has to do with a long history of conflicts, shortcomings, drugs, corruption that eventually fucks people up in the head. Also very weak law enforcement and low presence of the army/police in the country side (which represents most of the territory), so they had it easier to get away with the crimes until the kill count was outrageous.
The so called "culture of violence". You look at all those niggas and they were brought up in a fucked up way, so naturally they ended doing fucked up things.
>>78988840
They usually resort to somehow making excuses about embargoes or some dumb shit about the CIA or whatever to justify the country being a shit hole currently
>>78989179
total economic implosion due to shit tier government and the price of oil plummeting.
Reminder that Cubans are responsible for this
they inherited a strong intelligence network from the Russians and used it to infiltrate Latin American countries and set up communist regimes in them to extract money, food and resources from them. Venezuela sends lots of fuel for free to Cuba without which they'd have no electricity. we've sent them lots of food and bought bonds from them which were later forgiven. the venezuelan military and government is full of cuban """"advisors""""
USA should just drop napalm all over it and kill every single living thing on it
>>78989403
They do know George W Bush stopped the CIA from overthrowing Chavez right?
>>78988843
I love Pinochet, but seeing how Venezuela is right now, I feel like there is a lesson in showing to the world how far leftist insanity can ruin a country.
Had Hugo Chávez been deposed in 2002, for example, Venezuela would have fared better, but leftists would still be saying that another chance at "True Communism™" had been lost, and that this time it would have worked.
We have to show leftists the suffering their policies cause. Killing them is good, but not enough.
>>78988646
>>78988640
You guys should have a starve competition.
>>78984611
Sigh. Rich people have food there. Oil crashed. Put embargoes and sanctions on their state oil. Like Russia. Try and ignore the right wing brexit fuck ups. Yep. Real habbedings in Venezuela
>>78988731
Exposure
>>78988526
Well looking at it logically, the government: took over most big companies, for the people (and then destroyed them), is giving out "free health care" (but you're fucked if you don't bring your own supplies because hospitals don't have any), free education (with untrained teachers), free food (for supporters), jobs (but don't you dare talk shit about the government or you're fired).
>>78988752
I know you're fucked because I saw how my people became a tribe of trash eaters.
>>78988840
It's true.
>>78989287
I'd gladly take a job in the software industry.
>>78989538
We had our constructions companies building infrastructure projects in Cuba. For free, since they will never pay anything. Now all these defaults suffered in "friendly" countries like Cuba, Venezuela and Angola are fucking up our biggest companies and ruining our economies.
>>78989629
I can't disagree with this.
I just had to use the excuse to post that pic, which never fails to make me smile. Look at that smug bastard.
>>78987704
>Well you can see people eating from the trash
That's normal behavior for mestizos no matter the country.
>>78984611
How does it feel living in the third inpact?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3BOd8vlRkg
>>78989756
How did the military become a cartel? Did no one take a step back and go "this is kinda fucked up"?
>>78989794
it blows my mind how a small island with no industry can have a sphere of influence of it's own right next to the USA
>>78989587
Just... dont bother, I dont understand it either
>>78989629
>>78989800
We kinda had Pinochet dude way back in the 50s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos_P%C3%A9rez_Jim%C3%A9nez
But everyone since god knows when has been either meh or bad, but dear lord Maduro and Chavez went full retard than any of them combined
>>78989403
The embargo was only to politicians, but that's the primary excuse for the situation.
>>78989538
I blame El che, he got what he deserved though.
>>78989736
Not everyone is a shill, happenings happen all the time, you're free to go to the brexit thread.
I rage at the shit that's happening to Venezuelans. There's got to be a special place in hell for Maduro and his cronies. All he does is blame the US for his own parties fuck up, and his supporters lap it up.
This is a situation I'd feel happy about the west helping out. UN needs to get in and kick some heads in before it gets even worse.
Also would totally approve of my country opening its doors to 20,000 skilled people. Especially if we substitute them for the muzzies we are currently being enriched with.
Stay strong Venezuelanbros. If only Chavez got his cancer 10 years earlier.
>>78990122
Do you think there's any fixing the situation? Or will it all burn down and collapse?
How come from the 4 brothers it was you guys that ended up fucked?
I would have put all my money on Ecuador being the failure of the family.
>>78989794
>>78989538
These
I hope you Yanks bathe Cuba in Nuclear fire one day
Those cunts were a legit blood-on-hands accomplice to this mess
>>78989979
It becomes a habit to ignore when you have to survive.
Am I the only one who thinks that Venezuelans deserve all this shit?
How much of a beta cucked people can you even be? Why don't you all just fall flat on your backs and die?
Fucking fight for your rights to have a good life and food. What the fuck?
Where are the revolts? Where is the civil war? Where is a large scale population movement?
A people who LITERALLY won't even fight for the right to eat or wipe their own asses is a people who deserve no pity or sympathy.
>>78990421
The government confiscated all the guns a few years ago
>>78984611
Too busy sneaking into my country to save their free falling economy.
>>78990122
what do you think about saudi arabia they sell petrol a low low price to fuck russia and don't give a fuck about your country?
>>78990365
Why not play baseball? My brother plays pro ball and says the Venezuelans are pretty cool. The Dominicans are savages though
>>78990421
I believe they deserve it too. Even their opposition is socialist.
>>78990263
Haha no.
We're fucked, the system was Dead on Arrival by the time Maduro got in
>>78990421
Venezuelans cant do shit because the military is everywhere. no guns or weapons, and just anyone smart or wealthy is leaving
Also Chavistas are fucking everywhere and suck Maduro's cock
Venezuelans cant do absolutely fuck all unless the US puts some Pinochet in office, but thats never gonna happen because they dont give a shit
>>78990562
refugees amirite? Also I heard there's a sizable muslim population in your country, is that true?
>>78990550
There is too much violence happening on Venezuela
I guess more gun controll is needed
>>78988863
they are mostly retarded or ignorant or both
here we dont take them seriuosly
>>78987061
Post a paypal account or something and i'll send you some bucks
>>78990762
I think we should old school filibuster it what do you think?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_(military)
>>78990946
Do they even have PayPal?
>>78990207
I've had some friends who've left to Australia so I wouldn't say it's not open. Miami, Panama and Canada seem to be the most popular places tho. People no longer talk about setting up a business, they talk about making enough money to leave.
>>78990263
There's a referendum cooking up right now but the government pretty much ignored about a third of all signatures and then made up some rules about validation wich we barely and (unofficially) got through. There's also that American states organization thing that is supposed to happen if the referendum doesn't happen, And there are rumours about legit proof that maduro is not Venezuelan, but the government is giving less of a fuck about the lies they have to tell every day.
>>78990550
>>78990762
>they took ur guns
>I guess I'll have to live like a cuck forever until they decide to give me stuff again
>lol my son just died because they took all the medication but I guess I can't do anything or I might get hurt lol suxs 2 b u son
Is this how low test beta cucks think?
This is no excuse to build weapons, start strikes, occupy public buildings and then start fighting.
To watch your own get killed by someone and not do anything, even if it means you will get harm is to be the lowest human being someone can be.
This is not even about being a brave or a coward, but about taking action to protect your fucking own family future.
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>>78991019
At this rate you can give us the ashes of Hitler to become the new leader and it would still be a more competent thing to do
>>78989538
>used it to infiltrate Latin American countries
they still use it
i live in veracruz & i know a fuckton of cubans, they are actually afraid to talk about cuba, because they know other cubans can hear & her families back there in the island can suffer retaliation...
they are realy fucked up people
>>78991237
Venezuela does really seem to lack in any sort of real leadership and balls overall
>>78990774
6% of 1.2 million population tops. Not sure what you're hearing. You'll seem them here and there but that's about it.
>>78984611
My neighbors are Venezuelan. Pretty bro tier. Never asked them about politics though.
>>78989959
I love that song, listened to it 3 times this morning on the way to work. How fitting.
>>78991053
i don't know, but i will help a bro if i can
>>78991237
Sounding really edgy right there pal, and being a huezilian to boot you don't sound very convincing.
You can't just easily come up and tell a bunch of civilians to arm themselves with stones and sticks and stand up to an actual army. You need financing, propaganda, international support, weapons, strategy, leaders, etc. Shit doesn't just happen because people are angry.
And if you think civil wars solve anything you're very wrong. By definition and by nature a civil war is unpatriotic and anti nationalistic. You're fighting your own people, killing your own kind, destroying your own infraestructure, etc.
>>78991019
You could just write a email to US politicians asking them air drop weapons. They gave free stuff to a bunch of religious extremists in the mid east so why not help venezuelans who are western and secular?
>>78988533
Sean Penn took a trip to Venezuela a few years back and when he came back he gave interviews to every news/entertainment/blogger that would listen and said venezuela is what america needs to emulate. these people are mentally ill.
>>78991237
You havent really watched anything from outside of media about Venezuela then
People have protested and sometimes rioted, but the government cracks down and popped niggas ded
There is also a major populace of deluded Chavistas
It's not like in your country where your people can go apeshit over that Socialist cunt, people in Venezuela just cant do generally anything to get it across or else they get popped and be ignored by practically everyone, Venezuelan media AND world media
>>78990421
There's people, there is no media to show them.
>>78990593
Honestly I have no idea, I'm just some random Venezuelan, we shouldn't depend so much on oil, we used produce other stuff but now you can't buy the prime matter because it usually costs dollars and the government only let's you sell at a loss.
>>78990599
I'm not into sports really.
>>78990946
Nah, I like earning my money, if you need a programmer: pablolozanogonzalez@gmail
>>78991053
I actually do, but that's just because I'm a "privileged" fuck.
>>78989676
Why do I always think Ireland is Italy when it posts.
>>78991665
>By definition and by nature a civil war is unpatriotic and anti nationalistic
cmon man
>>78991760
>It's not like in your country where your people can go apeshit over that Socialist cunt
Invading the Itamaraty Palace best day of my life
>>78988708
>Pedro Lopez
>Convicted of killing 110 young girls
>Confessed to killing 300
>Released from prison
>Current whereabouts unknown
what
>>78988095
Who knows, maybe you'd be the ones winning the Copa America instead of us!
>>78988863
They can, the only thing that's truly 8nfinite is the human capacity for self-delusion.
920 people faced the choice between socialism and survival in Jonestown. 917 chose socialism.
The three sutvivors were the "militia" that kept the only three rifles in the commune.
>>78990755
>Even their opposition is socialist.
So are ours.
>>78991956
Nothing i can say to you because last civil war you had was more than 200 years ago, and i bet your education/government/culture in general loves to exalt it and talk about it as if it was the greatest achievement of true patriots, yeah.
Then like me you would have to deal with 200 years of constant internal conflict and realize the basic fact that a war against yourself only harms, well, yourself.
>>78991689
We only arm groups that will annoy the Russians
>>78991873
>I like earning my money
I applaud you bro, I hope things work out ok for you
>>78992337
But on the bright side didn't your country's civil war with the FARC end a few days ago?
>>78988124
>Why hasn't there been a coup attempt yet?
And this, my friend, is why USA should keep their guns. A people without guns can't fight state.
>>78991689
> You could just write a email to US politicians asking them air drop weapons.
Ya that costs money though. Venezuela doesn't have enough money to donate to the Clinton Foundation.
>>78988533
Have there been any recent statements from Chomsky or Penn regarding Venezuela?
>>78991873
Thx for the answer stay strong my friend.
Why do beans love socialism so much?
It seems like most Venezuelans think the answer to their problems is even more socialism.
>>78992423
Well yes but such a civil war would really fuck you up, especially if its recent, violent, and didnt fix things in general
Syria for example, is never going to recover for who knows long. Hopefully Assad may win, but what at cost?
>>78991237
Sure thing buddy.
>>78991357
Not long ago people found out that a socialist party in Spain was funded by Chavez.
>>78991389
You've to remember that all politicians are corrupt, even the opposition, everyone is playing the game, there have been some people who look legit like leopoldo Lopez, but he's in jail now.
>>78991472
You should, it's fun, just don't mention Chavez.
>>78991689
They do have a presence here, but it's very hidden, I think.
>>78991760
This guy gets it.
>>78992091
All this chimpout for literally nothing.
>>78992301
Really makes you think huh
>>78991873
How's if feel knowing champagne socialist in the west are making every excuse for the predictable failures and horrors in your nation wrougt by Socialism that these same people where praising when Chavez gained power?
>>78992503
We should probably start tweeting at them
you think its fun for me?
you think its really fun that what u spend on grocery every day is my monthy salary?
I want to kill myself every day a few days ago I got mugged for toilet paper and half a kilogram of bread and I've been starving since
I have useless fucking bolivars which the goverment controls with literally "lottery" exchanges(ex only the elite gets to exchange money)
or you can go with blackmarket:deposit paypal or btc 1$ gives you about 1,500 bolivars whats supposed to be 1$=10 bolivars but its a goverment lie
I want to die
>>78992578
1 man all alone
nice opposition
>>78992337
the last civil war was 151 years ago. internal conflict is what leads to a civil war anyway
>>78992337
Less than 200 years ago, really, and it was slaveholders vs. abolitionists, not communists vs. capitalists (the difference being that communists are popular slaveholders, while capitalists are unpopular abolitionists)
>this thread
I don't I want habbenings to habben anymore lads
>>78992275
I kek'd
Also I went on a date with a QT boy from Venezuela like a year ago. We messaged for a bit and were planning on going out again but then he was too busy with work and flaked. I tried to reschedule once but he seemed mostly interested in messaging me rather than going on a date.
finally we stopped talking and met on public transit randomly a month later. He flagged me down and was like "dude we should hangout again sometime good to see you!" then he canceled another date again and I was like lol fuck this.
Then facebook randomly asked me if I knew him the other day despite us not having any mutual friends. Was he scoping out my profile?
I miss you QT Venezuela boy, I just wanna give you some of my capitalism.
>>78988708
The top one there, Luis Garavito killed over 170 kids and the government is thinking about releasing him early because of good behavior (hes drawing maps to the body). fucking crazy.
>Although the maximum sentence for murder in Colombia multiplied by 139 comes to 1,853 years and 9 days, Colombian law limits imprisonment to 40 years. Because he helped police find some bodies, as well as to his confessions, his sentence was further reduced to 22 years.[5] He may possibly qualify for even earlier release for further cooperation and good behavior.
>>78992537
It's not even socialism, it's mostly just populism and the preference for it is cyclical. 10 years ago they were at the height of their power while today the entire continent is shifting to the right.
And thousands/millions of Venezuelans and Cubans escape their country anyway
>>78991472
We're pretty cool just dont mention socialism
Probably just in my sector but we're probably gonna vote for Trump too whether we like him or not
But I dont know, we just hate generally hate people like Bernie
>>78985982
your flag looks like a fruity snack
>>78992582
This would actually be a good project for /pol/ especially now that Trump is falling
>>78992712
This made me sad
please nuke us I dont want to exist anymore
>>78992756
I never wanted happenings, I only wanted to see them before they happened.
>>78992712
>spend on grocery every day is my monthy salary
how much is your monthly salary?
>>78989354
Gotta say this really is a sad thing to witness.
Any of the Venezuelan bros in here work for PDVSA?
How is shit going with that company. Considering its your one source of income for the nation I imagine they try to still pay the workers.
Also anyone here one of those crazy people that takes a boat up to my island to sell fruit and vegetables for our glorious guilders or dollars?
>>78992712
>>78992903
:(
I'm sorry things are this bad bro. Don't kill yourself though I believe in you, you're strong enough to carry on. Just find a blunt object and brain a Chavista, take his shit.
>>78992756
yea same
>>78992729
Don't forget his sons and and some of the dudes from his party
But yeah that's basically it. Sad!
I wish I could move to Venezuela and experience life with my socialist brothers. :/
>>78986665
Why aren't you buying bitcoin dummy? At least the government can take that away from you.
>>78992502
>not making american liberals make kneejerk decisions through a buzzfeed sob video
Come on now you didn't even try.
>>78991760
Bingo.
>>78992712
>I got mugged for toilet paper and half a kilogram of bread
What the fuck, man
>>78992959
15,000 bolivars a month which by "offical" exchanges is 150$ but on the "real" blackmarket exchange its 7--8$ a month
>>78993053
Yes because bitcoin will get you food at a super market where the workers don't even know what bitcoin is
>>78992554
I mean the people should rise, not politicians. They could have organized some way to at least force Maduro out of the palace or burn down government buildings
>>78989959
>that failed taser pistolwhip
>>78989179
>Venezuela has a fixed rate currency, meaning the government sets exchange rates pegged to the US dollar. Countries as diverse as Saudi Arabia and Aruba have fixed rate currencies. However, Venezuela’s currency, the Bolivar Fuerte (BsF) also has one other interesting feature: its distribution is controlled by the government. In Venezuela, you can’t just go to an exchange house and buy currency. You either purchase currency from the government, or you resort to the black market.
>In the second half of 2012, Venezuela began to experience unusually high inflation. By unusual, I mean unusual for the Chavez years. Under Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, Venezuela’s typically high inflation was kept under control. World Bank data indicates that between 2006 and 2011, annual inflation varied between 13 percent and just over 30 percent. This may sound high, but by Venezuelan standards it’s actually pretty low. The year before Chavez was first elected, 1997, annual inflation was 50 percent. In 1996, it was 99.9 percent. Compared to those figures, Chavez did pretty well.
>Yet after over a decade of remaining in check, suddenly inflation began to head upwards in late 2012. This was accompanied by a collapse in the black market value of the BsF.
>This was the beginning of an “inflation depreciation spiral”. The basic idea is that people in Venezuela saw inflation go up, so they traded some of their BsF for US dollars on the black market. From an individual perspective, this makes perfect sense to anyone hoping to protect their savings from inflation. The problem was that a lot of Venezuelans did this, which meant the value for the BsF plummeted in the black market. Since many businesses in Venezuela use the black market rate to price imported goods, the collapse in the BsF’s value meant consumer goods became more expensive. This created more inflation, which spurred more Venezuelans to sell their BsF.
>>78992903
God damn. I hope things get better for you soon, anon.
>>78992712
But fucking Chavez was the greatest ever huh? Bitching about the US really got you somewhere didn't you spic fucks. Hope you all die of starvation and disease like the goddamn rats you are.
>>78992423
>didn't your country's civil war with the FARC end a few days ago?
Yeah, seems that by the end of the year they'll be fully disarmed and demovilized.
This is just the beginning, though. We are going to end up unleashing the commies by allowing them to have their own legit political party.
Judging by history and taking into account that people never, ever learn, we could find ourselves in the same predicament Venezuela is in a couple of decades
>>78992537
Social inequality would be the most likely answer. When poor people get tired of starving they usually turn to the one that promises more gibsmedats.
>>78992740
Officially the last civil war would be la guerra de los 1000 dias, but it was all a chain of events originating from the rift between Bolivar and Santander, which in turn also caused the bogotazo and thus the emergence of the commie guerrillas.
>>78992863
I don't know if Chomsky would freak out but Sean Penn definitely would
>>78993159
they are too scare, the military support Chavez even more than Maduro if you tought Maduro was bad just think how venezuela will looks like with a military dictadorship
>>78992712
just try to pack up some provisions and cross the border to Colombia
>>78992712
>tfw i spend my money on shit i never use and end up throwing away
feels terrible man
Do any of you starving Venezuelans feel patriotic?
By that I mean, would you rather die of starvation as a venezuelan or be absorbed by, let's say, Colombia?
>>78993231
i hate chavez and I never bitch about US dont stereotype me
>college fags in the US unironically want socialism when venezuela is imploding in front of their face
>>78992275
I'm saving this
>>78992537
The answer to this whole thing is hard work, revoking maduro will only be the beginning.
>>78992580
It makes me feel honestly scared
>>78992712
Hang on brother, there might just be a way.
>>78992814
I wouldn't vote for trump, I'd rather have a shillary so that people learn that you shouldn't vote for gender
>>78992712
don't die. it's now your burden to make sure this can never happen again. you have an obligation to future generations to make sure they don't make the same mistakes
>>78992977
RARE
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>>78993205
>...This reliance on imports wasn’t caused by socialist policies, but by some very basic rules of the capitalist market. For decades, Venezuela has suffered from a severe case of Dutch Disease – an economic phenomenon where one extremely profitable sector thrives at the expense of other sectors of the economy. In Venezuela’s case, a booming oil industry meant other sectors of the economy like agriculture have long been neglected. Generations of Venezuelans have avoided this problem by simply importing everything they need from abroad.
>However, if private industry can’t obtain foreign currency, then it can’t import goods. This is a huge problem in an import dependent country like Venezuela. On top of this, the discrepancy between official and unofficial exchange rates creates its own unique phenomenon not so different from Dutch Disease. Importers are given an incentive to not actually import anything. A great example of this was a once rampant scam known as the carousel. Popular back in the late 2000s, the scam involved an importer applying for foreign currency at one of the government’s preferential rates, then importing a load of the product (such as medical supplies). However, the supplies were never unloaded. Instead, they remained inside the freight truck, and were again exported. Meanwhile, the importer sold their foreign currency allocation on the black market for a nice profit.
>What happens to an economy if every business simply relies on playing with exchange rates, instead of engaging in productive activities like importing, selling, constructing, manufacturing or providing any kind of service to the public?
>In the end, the only game in town is making money off speculation and corruption.In other words, the government has spent an astounding amount of money to maintain a system that is devastating the economy. It makes about as much sense as responding to a burglar in your home by buying him bullets and a baseball bat.
>>78992712
No we don't think it is fun for you.
The right I. America is extremely united in support for the Venezuelan people suffering from this completely avoidable situation.
While leftist are blaming everyone and thing except the socialist policies that have actually lead to this situation.
>>78993277
>guerra de 1000 dias
dont you remember "the dark age" after Gaitan was killed, the conservatives and liberals fought until 1952, my grandad was part of the conservative army, that was our last civil war.
>>78993372
you know what is the way you know it yourself bloody revolution is the only way where most of us will die
>>78990421
>>78990755
>>78991237
>>78990779
>rindo de algo já em andamento no Brasil
blaztar ?
>>78992091
Pra nada. Bela bosta.
>>78992977
>>78993053
Yeah I'm sure they take Bit Coin in the 3rd world.
>>78993277
>commies get their own political party
Uh oh
>>78993339
Don't listen to him anon, he's mad his mom fucks Mexicans
>>78993574
I wish you the best
>>78992977
RARE
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>>78993526
socialism works until you have something to back it (99.999% of the time it never does or only for a few year) but as soon as our only good resource dropped massively we are going into the rabbit hole as well
>>78993404
>>78993205
TL;DR:
Venezuela was basically pretty much fine a decade ago and arguably, Chavez was a far better economic manager than pretty much anyone Venezuela has had for decades. Then Chavez died, Maduro got into power and refused to adapt to new circumstances since he knows his power resides in simply keeping the status-quo of Chavez legacy and let the country go to shit when oil price collapsed. Maduro in general is incompetent as fuck
>MUH SOCIALISM WAAAAH
If anything, the opposite is the problem in Venezuela, the entire economy is now based around the rich elite and PSUV bureaucrats being able to siphon public money into private bank accounts through corruption and scams as decades of dutch disease come to roost.
>>78988377
Can someone explain what makes Venezuela socialism, not state capitalism (or both) and what the exact difference between the two is.
From what ive read Venezuela does sound like state capitalism, and socialism is more like a philosophy. What is the difference in implimentation
US posters, you can help
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
"Honorable sir/madame
I am writing this email as a concerned son/brother with close relatives living in Venezuela. I would like to ask you if you are aware of the current civil unrest in the country and if the the Obama administration has any plans to do something about it. Venezuela is experiencing riots, mass lootings, blackouts and even food shortages all over the country as a consequence of government mismanagement of the economy. these are some recent headlines
Venezuela: Countless Wounded after 5,000 Loot Supermarket
Looting and unrest continue roiling Venezuela as shortages persist ...
Venezuela's Food Shortages Trigger Long Lines, Hunger and Looting ...
40 days of blackouts hit Venezuela amid economic crisis - Apr. 22, 2016
Venezuela declares a 2-day workweek because of dire energy shortage...
Is the Obama administration going to play deaf and ignore this situation? If we do nothing this will spiral out of control and might cause a humanitarian disaster. The people have no weapons and are unable to fight back. Time is running out for Venezuela. Personally I believe it is our duty as the most prosperous country in the continent to set the example and help. I would like to ask you to contact other representatives and discuss this matter with them. I think the US should reach out to Venezuelan opposition, negotiate with them and provide them with the weapons and training they need.
>>78993277
Do we really have problem with socialist in this age ?
I mean there is Polo but all they do is steal money, as everyone else.
>>78992977
bless your beautiful little cozy island country
>>78992712
Don't give up, we must fight socialism together.
>>78993691
I mean Chavez was a retard and didn't diversify the economy
>>78993706
they're literally the same
>>78993277
>We are going to end up unleashing the commies by allowing them to have their own legit political party.
zapatistas here wanted the same & into the trash they end up
>>78984611
Venezuela will be in a viscious and bloody civil war by end of august.
>>78993557
Of course i remember, i mentioned too in my post.
I guess the main differences would be that the thousand days war was a clear confrontation for power, while la violencia after the bogotazo was more like an all out shitstorm without any clear objective, pure carnage basically.
>>78993751
>Do we really have problem with socialist in this age ?
Right now nope. But i fear for 10, 20 years down the line. People never learn and forget pretty easily.
If FARC starts right now a soviet style demoralization campaign we could find ourselves with a new generation of bleeding heart commies
>>78992756
So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
>>78993935
yes there is a massive unrest and riots all over the place
Lads I dont think there is much of a chance to reverse this now
People are so low they literally steal food from your hand in the middle of the street they have so little to lose in poorer areas
>>78993691
>socialism works
No socialism can appear to have short term goods but then it fails massively and dramatically due to something socialist scholars have refused to address for nearly a century.
https://mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited
>>78992977
If you're not a government supporter you will probably get fired, and if you hide it you will get fired for being suspicious of being suspicious. There was an oil leak some weeks ago.
>>78993053
Except some guys got arrested for mining bitcoin, first because they thought it was illegal, turns out it wasn't, so they got arrested for using up too much electricity, I wish I was making this shit up.
>>78993128
I'm buying dollars at about 1000 bs, but that might just be me.
>>78993159
Yeah those are riots, which happen pretty much daily.
>>78993231
Fuck Chavez, remember that this government has been ruling for over 16 years now, kids are brainwashed.
>>78993294
Good luck not getting kidnapped
>>78993334
Patriotism brings nothing good, and I really want you to make me think otherwise.
>>78993860
So what's the difference between socialism/state capitalism and communism?
I understand the difference between their mission statements, but not how they are meant to be put into practice. Let's talk about what they would be in their supporters idealist view, how would the two look different?
>>78992712
Do you have a paypal?
>>78993704
No, man, don't tell me Chavez was a good manager. He sowed the seeds of this destruction. Just think about all the money he wasted in social programs abroad, the expensive military hardware he bought that is useless, how the dismantled PDVSA so hey wouldn't have productive investments, and started the dismantling of the little national industry and agriculture they had.
Among many other things. The system was rotten when Maduro received it. Of course Chavez is smarter and more charismatic but he was very far from an economic genius
>>78992977
>because of the flag doesn't get a serious response
>>78993749
venezuala is fucked. i'm sorry. the democrats don't want any attention drawn to venezuala because it shows the failures of socialism. the republicans don't want to help because we've fucked around enough in south america. you're not getting any help and will have to figure it out yourselves
>>78993935
They are rioting, but the people have no weapons, and their army (fully supporting of Maduro btw) is not something to joke about in local levels. Every riot ends with considerable deaths.
>>78993995
pls Gandalf
>>78988754
They all have the letter o in their name.
>>78993955
Nobody is going to forgive the FARC for what they have done, every commie student will be shame for voting for whatever the new political name the FARC choose, even I have an uncle who died in hand of the FARC and I am from the coast.
The FARC has left a mark for the last 3 or 4 generations, until the they you and I die nobody will vote for the FARC.
>>78994197
we have a paypal with a maestro card with is highly limited in terms of abroad spending I think you can spend 100$ a year atm
>>78993751
we will have problems because we are dumb
>>78994189
>So what's the difference between socialism/state capitalism and communism
The difference is idiotic dogmatic socialist blame socialist failures on "state capitalism" and call anything and everything that is seemingly agreeable "socialism"
Basically they have no meaning other than damage control for the left which is that the gif in the first post you responded to asking this question was illustrating
>>78993749
I love how faggots keep calling the US foreign policy overbearing, then, once the media shows starving little children, immediately turn around and insist the US should intervene at once. It's fucking disgusting. I hope the US leaves all of you fuckers hanging (well, except SK obviously).
>>78994165
have you heard the recent news how the moment these dumb fucks learned about bitcoins and how its non regulated money they banned it and dubbed it as criminal "masterminds" money?
>>78993706
VENEZUELA ISN'T SOCIALIST.
See my posts
>>78993205
>>78993404
They have a "Socialist" (Social Democrat) populist Government in charge. But their policies are not fucking Socialist unless you accept fucking Saudi Arabia is Socialist as well
The problem with Venezuela is the Government has enacted price controls but the Government itself is too incompetent to manage them, so they've completely mismanaged their economy and with decades of corruption and dutch disease (relying on resources and neglect the rest of the economy) finally coming to roost.
>>78994205
>No, man, don't tell me Chavez was a good manager.
Chavez was literally the best economic manager Venezuela has seen in decades, this is economic fact, every economic indicator improved under Chavez, under similar conditions, the Neoliberals before him were doing much, much worse on literally every economic indicator.
THIS ISN'T SAYING CHAVEZ WAS GOOD, but he was better than people make him out to be and Venezuela saw unparalleled consumption, growth and poverty reduction under his programs. Literally every economic indicator skyrocketed under Chavez. People can choose to ignore this, but it's fact.
There are many things the PSUV could have done but didn't do. But I would argue Venezuela is in the state it is in due largely to corruption, dutch disease and as you say mismanagement of resource allocation. The 2000s should have been used to diversify the economy.
>>78994455
That's what happen when you put witch doctors in charge
>>78994235
>fully supporting of Maduro btw
Why? Do they don't have friends or family on the other side of the conflict?
>>78994346
If its possible to send funds to the card through paypal let me know, or a bitcoin address m8 not sure how you go exchanging in your country when illegal but.
>>78993704
>see all this shitposting
>aussie
Nevermind.
>>78994164
>due to something socialist scholars have refused to address for nearly a century.
>ECP
>Literally rejected as an issue by Austrians themselves
The Economic Calculation problem has been debunked for decades. Not only by Socialists, by mainsteam economists and even Austrians themselves.
>>78994623
its not legal but no one gives a shit there is black market exchanges all over the place
>>78984611
Venezuela is fucked because of socialism.The whole world is fucked because of capitalism.I will jerk off now
>>78994567
>only is socialism if government succeeds with price controls
>No matter if Chavez had to push different devaluations of the VEF or if he seized foreign companies without any compensation, he's a good manager
Did a kangaroo sting your head?
>>78994567
Before dying Chavez made the electronic retaillers to put a 90% off tag on all their electrodomestic, of course it was a steal but how do you think these retailers feel after that and how big of an impact was that to the economy.
Now everyone had a plasma tv but a what cost.
>>78994731
Any starving qt Venies over there that are willing to be my servant and sex slave?
>>78994731
Have you still got mangos bro??
how do we get our venezuelan brothers some support?
it pains me to know that fellow /pol/acks are suffering at the hands of socialist filth
>>78993706
>state capitalism
Depending on how you define capitalism that's either literally socialism (if you define capitalism as the accruing of capital) or is a contradiction (if you define capitalism as free market).
>>78994327
Well, let's see, the cold war ended in 1991, right? That was 35 years ago.
Up until that point Euros and Amerifats were supposed to completely hate and reject any commie bullshit. "Communist" was an insult, as much as it is today in the ex-soviet countries.
And yet here we are today, with the ex-soviet countries as redpilled as it gets, and the previous "capitalistic bloc" getting deceived by the communist's lies. That's what i'm talking about.
If you wonder why that happened is because of this, usually politics work as a pendulum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
>>78994623
btc=we use localbitcoins 1 btc=700,000 bolivars
paypal=we buy amazon gift cards with it and sell it for btc what we cash out
this is usually how it goes
>>78994603
From what I heard from some migrants here, high ranks get state benefits, and low ranks get the permission to get some weapons, in a situation like this they are pretty useful, who would have thought.
>>78994896
There's no way. The only way for them is running away from that place.
>>78994731
If you have a wallet post it if you want some funds.
How safe is it for foreigners at the moment? My South America tour was next year and was one place was really looking forward to getting to.
>>78994327
>nobody will vote the FARC
So you think votes and not money make the winners in Colombia, uh?
>>78994567
I could improve plenty of economic indicators artificially and in an illusory manner if I had an almost unlimited supply of easy oil at high prices, so easily that I could even waste it on frivolities like Chavez did during the good times. But it was all a mirage and if some of the improvements had been sustainable or not artificial the economy wouldn't have collapsed as fast as it did. Now they're at their worst point in history.
Socialism stops working when people run out of other people's money.
>>78994455
They're probably mining in secret. >>78994603
They do have it tough but they get benefits
>>78994860
It's not like they can use it, there are daily electrical cuts every day for about 3 hours to "help the environment"
>>78994877
Be brave and travel to Caracas to find them, no joking
>>78995070
id avoid it for now until things settle atleast for his own safetly and here is wallet
1DY3F7dihZLTaKprmc
LWiUcLZDQt81xspV
>>78984611
reposting a old conversation with a friend from venezuela
>2lazy to translate it tho
>>78995279
i fully approve this
>>78994991
You just say it, ex soviet countries are as redpilled as it get, sure Colombia was never a communist country but we saw in first hand what the people who called themselves "socialist" would do to get in power.
The reason why countries like USA dont have a problem with socialism is because they never saw what communism can do to their lifes, they never starved, they never had to work for more than 12 hours to get pennies, they never learnt.
I like to think that Colombia knows what Communism can do since we have Venezuela just besides us.
>>78995279
Wow thats fucking brutal
>>78995279
>only one power plant working across the whole fucking country
Thank you very much, USSR
>>78995279
Can't understand Spanish but the gist of it seems to be
>We're fucked, socialism bad
correct?
>>78994401
I understood the gid, I just wanted to know if there was actually any difference between state capitalism, from what I understand socialism is the ideology, state capitalism is the system to (try to) make it reality.
What I don't understand is why a soft state capitalism can't work. Why simply replacing the stock holders with the government would suddenly cause the economy to crash, since wouldn't each company still be competing to turn a profit.
>>78995103
>>78995103
Unless the members of the FARC that will become politicians are from libanese/turkish/sirian descendent, i dont think so.
>>78995580
>unless the members of the FARC have hoarded enough money from drug trafficking, extortion and illegal mining, as well as from "foreign aid" i don't think so
I fixed that for you
>>78995560
yeah, just read the end
>>78995279
Did you translate half of that or you actually type in Spanglish?
>>78994828
>only is socialism if government succeeds with price controls
Please show me where Price controls are Socialist policy? Was America during the Great Depression and WW2 Socialist? France? Great Britain? is modern Saudi Arabia Socialist?
Price controls have nothing to do with Socialism, they have been enacted as Keynesian policy in countries going through crisis periods hundreds of times.
>No matter if Chavez had to push different devaluations of the VEF
Pic related
>or if he seized foreign companies without any compensation
>Companies engaging in massive widespread scamming of the economy and Government should go unpunished.
I've explained why Venezuela's economic policies in this thread are shit, but most of you don't even know basic political ideologies or terms. Literally every indicator under Chavez improved, FACT, he saw the fastest povery reduction in Latin America, FACT, consumption skyrocketed in the Chavez era, FACT.
Before Chavez thousands were being murdered by the Government, 40% of the population didn't have access to drinking water and the entire wealth of the country was funneled into innercity Caracas while everyone else literally starved to death.
I know upper middle class Venezuelans tend to be particularly sociopathic and classist, but you cannot ignore the huge gains of the Chavez era despite the fact the Government, like it has for decades, been hamfisted by extreme corruption.
I don't think Chavez was a great economic manager, I said he was better than those before him, which is fact, not a high fucking bar, but he was.
The reason people loved Chavez is because he improved peoples lives in real ways, like I said, 40% didn't even have access to fucking drinking water, nor could they afford food, those people now have access to infrastructure and food (despite food lines).
If I ran Venezuela, it would have been very different, but this doesn't stop the fact that Chavez was decent by Venezuelan standards.
>>78995560
That's right
>>78995456
Pretty much this, fucking commies.
>>78995268
Just sent you $75US buy some shit venbro
>>78995268
c'mon guys let's help anon out
>>78993704
>Blaming the collapse of Venezuela's economy on change in power and just putting the drop in oil prices as an afterthought
Chavez got Venezuela massively into debt by borrowing money in order to pay for extravagant social programs under the assumption that their oil money would pay for it. Then (surprise surprise) the over-saturated oil industry popped and Venezuela went broke because without the competing forces of capitalism, there was nothing to break the fall of the bloated monstrosity that was the government-run economy. Frankly, I don't know how Maduro handled it, but if, as you argue, the person who is unable to handle an economic crisis was in charge of the economy then that just further demonstrates socialism's many many problems. In a free market system, so long as monopolies are busted up, the many competing forces in charge of the economic stability of the country would, through a form of natural selection, yield a far more viable solution than a single idiot in charge ever could.
It's the 21st century, it's time to strip yourself of the delusion of the possibility of a benevolent monarch. Solutions come from competing geniuses, not through singular executives.
>>78995390
Did you watch the video?
>The reason why countries like USA dont have a problem with socialism is because they never saw what communism can do to their lifes, they never starved, they never had to work for more than 12 hours to get pennies, they never learnt.
You're basically saying that, if Colombia were to become a decent, prosperous place to live, it would be a matter of time until people forget the dangers of communism and fall for the lies the same way USA does.
Venezuela might help more people get redpilled, but if people already forgot the example of the USSR then i wouldn't expect to keep it in mind.
You're kinda overstimating the ability to use reason of the masses.
>>78995560
very bad
i'm due for a meet with a friend of mine who calls himself a socialist. can't wait to rub this shit in his face and see what excuses he comes up with.
by the way here is a good article to put it in perspective how much does 100$ get you HERE
https://www.vice.com/read/i-lived-like-a-king-for-a-month-in-venezuela-on-100-euros-876
>inb4 vice
>>78994884
You think it's a joke, mangos are the primary food source for many
>>78994896
Exposure is enough
>>78995070
Don't come, I'm being 100% honest, do. not. Come. Unless you're into getting kidnapped and torture.
>>78995729
me and my friend are meme masters so we usually talk in spanglish
>>78995759
You shitposters are all right
>>78995831
Hey man, are there any videos of this unrest and chaos? I hear a lot about it and I've yet to see a video of it.
>>78995759
wow yeah I've just seen it you know this kind of money here is months of rent or food so I'm truly grateful if you change your mind you can send me an email for a refund
email is:[email protected]
thanks
>>78995757
>>78995456
>ignore that Venezuela runs largely on hydro and is suffering from the worst drought in a century.
FUCKING COMMIES, WHY CAN'T THEY CONTROL THE WEATHER.
>ignore here in Australia Tasmania ran out of power for the exact same reason
FUCKING COMMIES DESPITE TASMANIA WAS ESSENTIALLY A STATE WIDE FAR-RIGHT CORPORATE STATE CONTROLLED BY A CORPORATION FOR PRETTY MUCH FOREVER.
Fuck me dead.
>>78995279
Some important phrases:
>This will end like Zimbabwe if nothing happens quickly
>Do you know how much they stolen in the last 17 years? more than one thousand billon (millardo is Venezuelan slang for Billon)
>[To flee] I would have to work two whole years without spending a penny
>The fault is also of the people, they just joke, rather than fight back just protest, people still supports govt.
>Only one electric power plant
>I get happy if I eat more than twice a day
