>god does not exist
>global warming is real and man made
>the holocaust really happened
>the moon landing was real
>9/11 was not an inside job
>The earth is not flat
All of this is backed up by science, if you choose not the accept these facts it is merely because you prefer your own ideology and emotions to scientific fact.
half of those things /pol/ doesn't even argue for you vapid retard
take it to >>/x/
>>78958631
>earth not flat
That's a stretch
>Samuel Benjamin "Sam" Harris
>Harris was born on April 9, 1967 in Los Angeles.[12] He was raised by a single mother since the age of two.[13] He is the son of actor Berkeley Harris and TV producer Susan Harris, who created The Golden Girls.[14] His father came from a Quaker background and his mother is Jewish.[
Tell me why why god doesn't exist
>>78959014
(((Harris)))
>The earth is not flat
you just went full retard
>>78958631
>the holocaust really happened
>9/11 was not an inside job
>backed by science
NOPE
>god does not exist
There's no way to empirically measure or study God, so there's no way you can make such a statement.
>global warming is real and man made
Climate change is real and is caused by everything on this planet.
>the holocaust really happened
Jews were among the many people thrown in concentration camps, forcibly deported, or categorically discriminated against by the Nazis. The Holocaust, however, is a fabrication based on inaccurate/falsified eyewitness accounts and Soviet propaganda. There is no evidence to suggest that any people were systematically murdered and, if anything, the Slavic people were the ones who were murdered in higher numbers due to being in the path of German war machine.
>the moon landing was real
True.
>9/11 was not an inside job
True, though they did know it would happen and ignored all the warnings.
>The earth is not flat
True.
>>78958631
>the Earth is not flat
Nice try kike
>>78958631
I have a question for you OP.
Do you know everything?
>>78960443
No, but I'm probably smarter than you :)
>>78962025
Do you know half of everything?
>>78959134
Literally zero evidence there is a God
>>78959134
world is ebil
>>78962025
Lolk. What's your IQ there big man
>>78962433
Ever studied cosmology? Astrophysics? I know you haven't because if you did you would know there is plenty of evidence for God. The universe wouldn't exist without Him.
Don't reply to this
Let it slide
Sam Harris is a shit-tier author btw
sage
>>78958631
Didn't read a single line. Saw Sam Harris's cuck face and burst into laughter. So glad that Europe is Islamizing and this cuck faggot can't do a thing about it.
It's almost like Godless societies are pathetic and weak and cannot resist ideological subversion.
>>78958631
Shilling For Sam Harris : His podcast on ISIS was pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30JORRy7F0A
I hope he'll make more movies, though.
>>78958631
>Can stand on the earth without falling off or leaning any direction
>Not flat
>>78962708
>because if you did you would know there is plenty of evidence for God.
Obviously this isn't true.... If you think it is, you need to go back and study again.
>>78963203
1. Not an argument
2. It is true.
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6T400mjeQ
>>78962937
>roman numerals
>english ordinal indicators
0/10
>flat earth
Nicely shilled
william lane craig intellectually raped this stuttering mumbling cryptojew harris in a debate on morality
>>78959014
>his mom made golden girls
Thank you for being a friend.
>>78962025
>>78962221
Well?
>>78958631
>god does not exist
>backed up by science
The only argument that is somewhat raised from scientific point of view is Occam's razor where it's impractical to imply complicated circumstances where simple ones are better.
The other argument is a simple "you give proof first" which, while does shut the religious side in debates, is not conclusive.
t. absence of evidence
>God is fake. good job
>the earths climate cycles on its own, see the ice age.
>the holocaust never happened, but it's gonna. ;)
>we did land on the moon dumbass, it isn't that far away, and that really isn't that impressive.
>9/11 was the Jews, the bushes, and the Saudis. We all know this.
>the earth is not flat. Good job.
2/6
keep tryin little feller. :3
You can be smart one day to!!!!
also murder happened.
http://endingthefed.com/un-official-found-dead-was-set-to-testify-against-hillary-clinton-same-day-barbell-fell-on-his.html
>>78963259
1. Not an argument.
2. It's not.
3. Retard in video literally says the bible is the same as the laws of logic. Literal retard asserts that all worldviews are logically inconsistent without the bible.
>>78963784
t. high school drop out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Be4l2OS1_g
People that deny the existence of a deity are mentally immature. Not those that deny the Christian God, or the Islamic God. It doesn't matter if you deny a religion's God, it matters if you deny that there is A God. Because, religious views aside, there's nothing stopping a deity from giving everything intelligent design and then letting it do its own thing.
Most religion is foolish for trying to personify God. Trying to nail Him down as benevolent or malevolent. In reality, if such a being were to exist, He would certainly be capable of doing whatever he wanted, and our morals would be non-sensical in comparison. Good and evil are fleeting in the scope of eternity.
>>78958631
>(((Sam Harris)))
Nice try, you filthy Jew.
>>78964060
1. Not an argument
2. t. Retard.
>>78964474
Over hour long videos both by people who have multiple degrees and Ph.D in Astrophysics.
Stay mad. Maybe some day you will have even one degree. Until then, take care. God loves you :)
>>78964699
1. Still Not an argument.
2. Appeal to authority.
3. I'm also a physics PH.D.
4. I already demonstrated he was a retarded idiot in watching 30 seconds of the video.
>>78958631
>god is not real because it's man made
>global warming is real because man made
cognitive dissonance much, huh
>>78964885
Post your degree with time stamp.
>>78964947
do i look as retarded as the people in your videos?
>>78964885
Also you need to be 18 to post here.
>>78964115
Unless our morals are a direct result of the deity wishing to preserve his work. In nearly every moral system across the world creation or maintaining the status quo is viewed as "good" and causing destruction or death is "bad".
This could be because our morals come from the deity as he is attempting to preserve his creation. Like an artist whose art is capable of destroying itself. So maybe there is some sort of higher purpose or reasoning to it.
>>78965029
So stop, then.
>>78964990
In comparison? Yes, to them you appear to be on the intellectual level of a parrot. Which is equivalent to a five year old child. Which you also happen to act like.
>>78958631
This on Pol .. Mods Ban him ..ok
>>78965097
Degree with time stamp.
>>78958631
How does any of this justify killing off the white race?
>>78959570
>he thinks her fuel can melt steel beans
>>78958631
(((Sam Harris)))
>>78965128
Well, I guess that's what happens when you assume all PH.D's are equally intelligent.
>>78962433
Metaphysical assertions are not evidence based
>>78958631
Fuck off faggot Bolshevik eu scum.
>>78962708
Physics PHD student here, please do enlighten me as to which aspects of cosmology prove gods existence.
>>78965245
>PH.D
Degree with time stamp. I already know you are a liar. Don't make your self look even worse. Just admit you are a liar.
>>78965359
>please do enlighten me
He can only post videos of retards that will waste your time.
He can't enlighten anything.
>>78965359
>PHD
Degree with time stamp.
>>78965426
I already said i'm not going to post it. Give it up kiddo.
>>78965496
Read my post again your frothing retard.
>>78958631
All correct except global warming being man made. All your predictions were wrong and the world hasn't warmed for 19 years despite 1.3 of all mankind's CO2 being released in that time.
Good day, sir.
>>78958631
God not existing is literally unable to be disproven by science.
The events that happen in the Judeo-Christian Bible? Sure, that can be disproven.
But, God cannot be, see:
>devil's proof/probatio diabolica
>>78965563
You should have your Masters if you are going for your Ph.D.
>>78965536
Because you don't have one.
>>78958631
>The earth is not flat
You ever been to space? I thought not, it's not even real.
>>78959864
God does not exist should be amended to say:
>it is overwhelmingly likely that god does not exist
Global warming is real and man made should say:
>Global warming happens naturally but can and likely is being accelerated by pollutants (but a volcano would do the same and faster)
>>78965702
Assume whatever you want. It doesn't change anything.
>>78965813
Neither does you lying and calling people much smarter than you retards stop them from being correct. Going to be a rude awakening for you.
>In the midst of this ordinariness, however, I was suddenly struck by the knowledge that I loved my friend. This shouldn’t have surprised me—he was, after all, one of my best friends. However, at that age I was not in the habit of dwelling on how much I loved the men in my life. Now I could feel that I loved him, and this feeling had ethical implications that suddenly seemed as profound as they now sound pedestrian on the page: I wanted him to be happy.
>What did I care if my friend was better looking or a better athlete than I was? If I could have bestowed those gifts on him, I would have. Truly wanting him to be happy made his happiness my own.
>A certain euphoria was creeping into these reflections, perhaps, but the general feeling remained one of absolute sobriety—and of moral and emotional clarity unlike any I had ever known.
>And then came the insight that irrevocably transformed my sense of how good human life could be. I was feeling boundless love for one of my best friends, and I suddenly realized that if a stranger had walked through the door at that moment, he or she would have been fully included in this love. Love was at bottom impersonal—and deeper than any personal history could justify. Indeed, a transactional form of love—'I love you because'.
He literally wrote this in one of his books.
>>78965812
These are both true and good points. It is in our own best interest to curtail the forms of pollution we actually have control over, though by this point it is too late to prevent severe consequences for equatorial regions which will drive even more immigration from third to first world countries.
>>78962708
No but I can tell that you haven't. Evidence of god would be the biggest scientific news ever.
There is a philosophical argument for god, but their is an equally (if not more) compelling argument against a god.
Certainly the Judeo-Christian is a sham though for a plethora of reasons.
Either way, whether you look at it through a philosophical or a scientific lens, it is overwhelmingly likely (but not 100%, more like 99.9999999999999999%) that their is no god.
>>78959134
cool ID bro
>>78965904
>Neither does you lying and calling people much smarter than you retards stop them from being correct.
Of course it doesn't. It doesn't affect their correctness whatsoever. That's why your appeal to authority is pointless.
It's the stupid things they say that makes them incorrect.
>>78966054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Be4l2OS1_g
>>78958631
>All of this is backed up by science
Science does not address the existence of God one way or another -- it does address certain fundamentalist beliefs who take parables for history, of course.
>>78966115
Stupid according to someone who doesn't even have a degree. Gee, you are a really smart guy. :)
>>78958631
>global warming is real and man made
>the holocaust really happened
>the moon landing was real
>9/11 was not an inside job
>The earth is not flat
I agree with you on these
>god does not exist
However you're wrong about this part. If by God you mean Yahweh, god of the Bible, sure. But there's a real supreme being you don't know about which is supported by all the same evidence which currently convinces you of atheism.
>>78966227
You don't need to invoke science to discredit Christianity. You just need to be able to recognize an end of the world cult.
>>78958631
>global warming
How the fuck can people be surprised about a fucking climate change? It’s just totally natural. Also another cold era is coming after this short waring period.
>>78963784
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>>78966243
You have been visited by the war bird of free (you)s
good blah blah blah will come to you,
but only if you make a thread with this link posted in it!!!
http://endingthefed.com/un-official-found-dead-was-set-to-testify-against-hillary-clinton-same-day-barbell-fell-on-his.html
>>78966299
Watch this video my good man.
>>78966170
>>78966243
So It's clear you're not above lying, then.
>implying Belgium is even a country
>>78964115
Since there is a physics PhD in this thread, I figured I would offer my own funposting.
I'm a biochem PhD. It seems to me completely sensible from the evidence that left alone for long enough, inert matter becomes life.
In my estimation, the belief in a deity is a result of Douglas Adams' puddle. He says that a puddle, looking at it's surroundings, says "wow, this world was intended for me, every nook and cranny fits perfectly". From inside the system, it's a reasonable conclusion. Once realizing that you are made FROM the context of the system you are in, and not FOR it, where does God come from? If God is just the casual agent that brings about our cosmogyny, how is it any more a deity than googly eyes glued onto an inanimate object have a personality?
Without the idea that the world was made for you, I don't see how any rational person comes to the conclusion that a diety has any role to play besides being the natural universe with a pleasing name.
I'd like to hear the argument for what hole God fills that would not be more simply addressed without Him.
Respectfully
T. Faggot
>>78966561
That is funny coming from a liar. To be honest I am not even sure what you meant by this. I can't say I care either. I tried to help you, but you don't want to help yourself. It really is a shame. Take care anon.
>>78958631
>>god does not exist
Since it would be impossible to prove a negative I'll not ask for your proof. But I note that theres is little evidence for the existence of God, almost all of it anecdotal. There is, however, no evidence at all that He does not exist.
>>global warming is real and man made
It is likely real, it is possibly man made, or at least man-influenced. But since the models of the climate scientists have been wildly wrong repeatedly, I am not inclined to accept their assertions that, based on their models, we are in a crisis situation.
>>the holocaust really happened
Yeah, but if you say that here you are just trolling.
>>the moon landing was real
Of course. Most of /pol/ would agree to that except that it is fun to troll as the other side.
>>9/11 was not an inside job
Siince "inside job is never defined, hard to say. But it was nothing like the scenarios put forward by the troofers.
>>The earth is not flat
>implying /pol/ believe it is. But again, it's fun to play the other side when trolling, since the mental gymnastics required to assert that it is flat are fun.
>>78958631
>believing anyone
>trusting anything but your own observations
ISHYGDDT
>>78966558
>1 hour 28 minutes
No
>>78966646
Universe has a beginning. Needs a cause. Something needs to cause it. The something is God. Very simple. Nothing can't cause something to happen, and nothing is able to cause itself to exist. If you deny any of this you are not working within a logical frame of thinking and we cannot continue.
>>78966775
I'll explain it for you:
You assert as fact something you cannot know. Therefore it's obvious to everyone that you're lying intentionally. Hence you're an insecure liar who will say anything to support his position.
I.e. there's no point in taking anything you say seriously.
>>78962433
This is untrue -- there is anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. You would be correct if you said there is no proof concerning the existence of nonexistence of God.
>>78958631
Bow before the Mirror God.
>>78967005
Hmmm. How are you going to make it through college?
>>78965812
>God does not exist should be amended to say:
If something is invisible on all spectrum and does not interact with the universe in any measurable way and is not predicted by any models or has been seen in modern times it doesn't exist.
The issue is that deities are unfalsifiable as many assert they do not follow any known laws of physics.
>>78967011
>Universe has a beginning.
Yep.
>Needs a cause.
Yep, everything has a cause.
>Something needs to cause it.
Again, yes.
>The something is God.
Why? So far every natural phneomenon we know about has an unintelligent natural cause. Why not the universe?
>>78966170
>an hour long video
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
why can't they condense shit into something less than 10 minutes
i'm a busy fucking goy
>>78958631
>All of this is backed up by science
>>78967119
I already did. If I linked you to an hour long video about how the Nigerian prince who has promised to wire people 3 million dollars is legit after all, would you watch that?
>>78965702
That's not how higher education works in the U.S., burgfriend.
If you do your undergrad degree and then go for a masters, thats 2 (read: 3) years of grad school for your masters. After, you can go for a PhD program in which a portion of your coursework will transfer over, depending on the horse-trading between individual programs (good) or universities (good luck). Then, a 4 (read: 5) year PhD program may be reduced. If you are in a coursework-centered PhD, this will be pretty effective. If your PhD is largely research/dissertation based, doing a MS first will only add 3 or so years to getting your PhD and contribute not much more to your cred, with the exception of being able to list ~6 years lab experience on your resume.
The traditional wisdom says if you are going for a terminal degree, go directly into a PhD program after your undergrad to minimize your time.
Just sayin'.
>>78967015
The difference is that we can know. If you had actually watched those videos and learned something for once, something you don't seem to do, ever. You would have known this. You would have known that you could know it. But since you refuse to learn, because clearly you already know everything, you won't know that you can know. Therefore you will never know. It's going to suck when you find out that you could have.
>>78963768
>>we did land on the moon dumbass, it isn't that far away, and that really isn't that impressive
That's why everybody has been there by now. Fuck, I went there this morning. It was cold.
>>78966170
>expecting people to watch an asshole ramble for an hour and a half because you are trolling or lack the intelligence to concisely explain his man points
Top kek
>>78958631
The Holocaust is backed by science? Lol
I haven't found anything convincing yet on the topic of God. Religion is filled with cognitive dissonance and anti-intellectualism.
I'm open to the idea of God being real though. No religion I've come across has the answers though, or at the very least answers with proof.
Most Christians on /pol/ only seem to be Christian to be tribalistic and against the modern leftie movement. If there was a huge conservative movement that was full of degeneracy, I guarantee /pol/ would be staunch atheists.
>>78967011
A good starting point for an argument (thank you for keeping it logic based at least) until you ask yourself about what/who created god?
You find yourself in the same predicament.
It is a philosophy meme known as "turtles all the way down"
>>78964938
>Didn't know the French were clever.
>>78967194
B--b-because my mind cannot comprehend something like that so I must have faith in the fact that there is a bearded guy somewhere in the universe that looks somewhat like me.
>>78967325
All you post says is that you could do it this. Which doesn't make what I said wrong.
Just saying.
>>78967302
That is a great false equivalence. Tell me how is a nigerian prince going to help me in this life? The video I have linked you to combines God and science. Something that may actually help you.
>>78967216
Watch as much as you can when you can.
>>78967194
>Why? So far every natural phneomenon we know about has an unintelligent natural cause. Why not the universe?
Go ahead and explain a little more so we can talk about specific things. Or you could just watch the video I posted.
>>78965156
It would get lonely here if Mods banned everybody who posted about those topics.
>>78967191
Yes. Which is what overwhelmingly unlikely means... I do very much believe that god does not exist but for the sake of accuracy I cannot state that with a certainty. If I had to give it odds it would be 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10:1 or even lower but I don't feel like typing so many tens.
«God» doesn’t exist. Before monotheists liars we had polytheists ones. People are just trying to comfort themselves with the idea of an afterlife in a supposed «paradise» and by explaining everything with God so they don’t have to think about anything.
>>78966646
>I'd like to hear the argument for what hole God fills that would not be more simply addressed without Him.
I think it's just that humans spend most of their lives dealing with people and trying to work out the theory of mind of their fellow humans.
The human mind is similar to the universe in that it's too complicated to predict exactly what's going to happen... So the go to model for complicated systems is probably to assume it has a mind.
It makes sense because in principle the model is general enough that it can actually work to predict what's going to happen. I think the god idea is used as a force of habit for humans.... and once you build your worldview around the idea, it makes more sense to stick with it than to change it.
>>78965536
Only thing weaker than an appeal to authority os an appeal to an authority that cannot be established.
>>78958631
>God does not exist
>all religions are man-made
>Palestine belongs to the Jews
(((Harris)))
>>78958631
>God does not exist
Proof Brah, Because its on you to prove me wrong.
>Global warming is real
The earth naturally heats up and then cools off, We are not speeding shit up and even if we were its at some small ass number that really does not matter. Stupid fuck.
>>78967446
Even if I did you would just ask more questions.
Summing up the video would lead to me making nothing but assertions. Leaving out the 45 minutes of the video which is the EVIDENCE to back the assertions. Top shit posting skills m8. Gotta love ausbros.
>>78967504
Anything the exists infinitely does not need a cause. If the Universe existed infinitely, it would not need a cause. Since God exists infinitely, He does not have a cause. He is the root of all, bound to nothing, but all is bound to Him.
>>78965156
We have a strange "Chriscuck general". If that is alive and well, then let others have their fair share of fun.
>>78967931
t. Ahmed
>>78967326
No, you misunderstood again. You're asserting knowledge about ME and what degrees I have. That you certainly don't have. Everybody knows you don't have it. And everybody knows you're therefore telling lies to serve your position.
>>78958631
I agree with all of this except 9/11 most definitely was not what was claimed in the commission report
>>78967700
Hey man i got a video that should answer all your questions.
By the time you finish watching it you should have completely given up on god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh7lp9umG2I
Make sure you watch the whole thing, it gets really good partway through.
>>78958631
Oh wow. A Jew spouting Jew opinions while claiming infallibility. I've almost never witnessed such a thing before.
>>78967892
No, they're equally irrelevant. They both have 0 strength.
>>78967011
Sure, but as the other Anon has already said, this doesn't address this problem:
>If God is just the name of the casual agent that brings about our cosmogyny, how is it any more a deity than googly eyes glued onto an inanimate object have a personality?
So the universe certainly had a beginning, and let's say just for argument that cause was a quantum field phenomenon, like many people do.
Aren't we just painting a face on that physical phenomenon? Wouldn't it be equally valid to say that my friend Casper the Stochastic Ghost causes reactions to progress downhill?
>>78965812
>>it is overwhelmingly likely that god does not exist
Given the paucity of evidence either way, how do you assign even a rough probability?
"Because I don't think so" is not sufficient.
>>78958631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-OMF-O27c
Can GOD the creator be a mere man? Why not?
>>78968024
I never said I did. That was you, remember? Or do you have short term memory loss?
You claimed you did have a Ph.D, but you won't post it. Because you don't have it. You are the liar here, not me.
>>78958631
>god does not exist
>backed by science
You can't prove or disprove the existence of God or any other supreme being you twat
>>78968011
t. Shlomo Silvergoldshekelbergstein
>>78968259
>Stupid according to someone who doesn't even have a degree.
>. Because you don't have it.
^ Lies
>>78966041
>It is in our own best interest to curtail the forms of pollution we actually have control over,
True if the cost of doing so does not exceed the benefits. Doing a meaningful cost/benefit analysis is difficult when one side insists there is nothing happening, and the other that IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!
>>78967863
> and once you build your worldview around the idea, it makes more sense to stick with it than to change it.
I can accept that it may be extremely adaptive, and beneficial, especially in the past but probably still today.
But beneficial and adaptive does not necessarily mean true. I reject Plato's Noble Lie -- Isn't truth always preferable to falsehood?
>>78967988
>Even if I did you would just ask more questions.
That means you are either not explaining the questions completely, do not have a firm grasp of the concepts being presented or simply do not understand his argument when you cannot explain questions.
>Leaving out the 45 minutes of the video which is the EVIDENCE to back the assertions
It'd take like less than 5 mins to summarize the "evidence" and talking points if you understand what he means. Nobody is going to watch a 1.5hr video to reply to a 4chan thread that will last like 2 hours tops.
"Vaccines don't cause autism" is suspiciously absent from OP's post.
>>78958631
Races are not the same. Blacks and Mestizos are still third world tier. Backed up by science. Pol remains intact.
>>78968224
Burden of proof
Occams razor
Russells teapot
Problem of evil
absence of evidence
evidence of absence
No way to assign a probability honestly but since I personally feel that god doesn't exist (yet I cannot claim to know this) I must assign it a very small possibility.
>>78968374
I’m not but I wouldn’t mind being. Islam is a world plague, Jews are just 0,23 of the worlds population.
I love to see mudslimes pussies crying against a single fucking state.
>>78966115
Maybe, instead of arguing who does or does not have a degree that we can never see or know about, maybe just disregard that bait going forward and share a few examples of what they say that you think is retarded?
>>78958631
>Recent human evolution is undeniable
>Race is not skin deep
>There are undeniable and major differences between racial groups in their average IQ
>Blacks are inherently more violent than whites
>Socialism doesn't work
>Muhammad was a pedophile warmonger
>Islam is a violent cult
>Transgenderism is a mental illness
>There are only 2 genders
All of this is backed up by science and history, if you choose not the accept these facts it is merely because you prefer your own ideology and emotions to scientific fact.
>>78963259
>INSTITUTE OF CREATION RESEARCH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
WHAT DO GOD-BELIEVERS HERE THINK ABOUT POLYTHEISTS?
EGYPTIANS, GREEKS, ROMANIANS, INDIANS WERE WRONG???
>>78968219
You would tell me a haphazard random event (not operating on logic and reason, since it is not an intelligent all powerful being) gave rise to a perfectly ordered Universe?
There are thousands of conditions required for Earth to support life. All of them need to be met perfectly. If one is not met, no life.
People say the odds of life being on other planets is immense. And I agree, we should have found life on at least a couple planets by now. What have we found? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What would we do without a planet like Jupiter? If we didn't have that planet the Earth would get hammered with asteroids frequently. Life would not have a chance. So this leaves me with needing to call you crazy. My explanation is much simpler. It does not rely on me having to say a billion things happened perfectly by complete chance. Which the odds of that happening are practically none.
>>78967700
> if you have a PhD you should have a masters already
> no, not really, in fact you SHOULD NOT. you -would- have an undergrad degree.
> well i'm not wrong
uhhhhh...come on, man.
>>78968403
Post your degree.
>>78966646
>It seems to me completely sensible from the evidence that left alone for long enough, inert matter becomes life.
Don't know if it is sensible or not -- we have never seen it happen, and as far as we know it only happened once here.
Trying to plot a curve from on data point seems tricky.
>>78968478
>I reject Plato's Noble Lie -- Isn't truth always preferable to falsehood?
It's not, in itself, a lie. It's a model. The concept of a mind is very general.
Is it a lie to say that light follows the path of a ray?
It's true within some approximation, but the model breaks down at a point.
Is it a lie to say that the sun is at the center at the solar system? Technically it's not exactly true. The masses of all the other planets makes the center slightly moved from the center of the sun.
Lie might be the wrong word. It's more like an approximation.... and it may be that there are certain cases where that approximation makes it easier to predict things than the alternative.
>>78968506
That is your choice. I gave you the information. What you do with it is your choice. You want me to summarize? God exists. The end.
>>78968895
No, I won't post my degree, even if you lie about me.
>>78958631
>[permanently] backed up by science
>science is built upon falsifiability not verificationalism
You're a century late
>>78966863
>>trusting anything but your own observations
That's going to leave you ignorant as fuck about the 10 trillion things or so that somebody else checked out but which you will never get around to before dying.
>>78968478
Truth is but an agreed upon perspective.
>>78968886
>no, not really
You mean not necessarily. Again, I am not wrong.
>>78969034
You don't have one. You are a liar.
>>78963411
The only thing craig rapes is the debate formula. Put him face to face without a moderator and he's about as well equipped as your local Tyrone.
>>78969171
>You don't have one.
^Lie
>>78967194
>unintelligent natural cause
Does your post have an unintelligent natural cause? Or are you going to need to amend your statement?
>>78969240
Prove it then. You have made a claim. Prove it. Otherwise you are a liar.
>>78969022
He is my counter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ra7k94HO8
The summary is: god doesnt exist.
Enjoy
>>78967194
>So far every natural phneomenon we know about has an unintelligent natural cause. Why not the universe?
Skating kind of close to the Black Swan fallacy there... The "why not" gave you some wiggle room, though.
>>78969317
>Otherwise you are a liar.
^Lie.
It doesn't follow.
>>78967325
>The traditional wisdom says if you are going for a terminal degree, go directly into a PhD program after your undergrad to minimize your time.
Or an MFA, that was still terminal last I looked, though there was talk of changing it.
>>78967741
>Which is what overwhelmingly unlikely means.
I would take an assertion that "something is overwhelming unlikely" to indicate that you have data. I doubt you have any data on the likelihood of God existing. But share if you think you do, just bear ion mind that if it boils down to "just seems like common sense to me" I am going to ridicule you.
>>78968855
Granted. But you are giving me the argument for fine-tuning, which I addressed with the allegory of the puddle.
The puddle thinks his world is made to accommodate him perfectly, every irregularity and facet.
Life would only observe the conditions which are condusive to brewing life, and looking around would say, "how lucky I am"!
I don't think that's crazy. I think these words: 'haphazard', 'random', 'complete chance' are meaningless in this sense. Is it through haphazard, random chance that a marble released at the top of a hill finds a way to reach the bottom? No, it's through decidedly non-random, consistent processes.
Thank you for your thoughtful post, btw.
>>78968024
>And everybody knows you're therefore telling lies to serve your position.
I think everybody knows that you are being trolled hard.
>>78970179
Naw, this guy's the real deal. He's even got his creationist retard 2 hour movie arsenal.
>>78969546
True.
I guess I meant STEM 'cause we were talking about physics-Anon.
>>78968192
Then why did you make an unverifiable claim to having a PhD as an effort to bolster your argument?
>>78970386
this pic makes me want to go outside and get a gf. thanks m8.
>>78969426
You have made a claim that you refuse to back up. Therefore, you are either a liar, which is the most likely thing, or you aren't, which is very unlikely. When people call me a liar I show them why I am not. You won't, because you can't.
You are a liar.
>>78970116
Your allegory gives conscious thought to a puddle. Again, I must call you crazy. Yes, someone first made that marble. Then someone walked up that hill and released the marble, thus causing it to roll down the hill.
>>78970433
In both of my posts I pointed out his fallacy, then made the same fallacy to show him why it was stupid.
>>78970637
>You are a liar.
Lying about me isn't going to compel me to act the way you want. Sorry kid.
>>78968568
>No way to assign a probability honestly
Thank you for your honesty, I agree with that conclusion
>but since I personally feel that god doesn't exist (yet I cannot claim to know this) I must assign it a very small possibility.
No, your personal feelings do not constitute evidence for assigning a probability. You can say "I do not believe it," that is an accurate statement. You cannot say "The probability for a thing about which I have no evidence is....
" unless you are just being intellectually dishonest, or have up until now been in ignorance of what assigning a probability means.. As you were honest above, I assume you to be an honest man, though.
>>78970728
I'm not lying. You are. So sorry. You saying I am lying about you being a liar doesn't stop you from being a liar.
>>78968839
>>78968895
>>78969034
Wait a minute -- you're the same fag aren't you?
>>78970935
>You saying I am lying about you being a liar doesn't stop you from being a liar.
But you are lying. You're asserting as fact something you don't have knowledge of.
That's a lie.
>>78971089
You are asserting something which you refuse to prove... could it be because you are unable to prove it? Yes. Otherwise you would have. Post degree.
>>78958631
Is Brussel save to travel yet?? I dont want to get blown up on the airport..
>>78971209
>You are asserting something which you refuse to prove
^ Not a lie
That's nice....
but I didn't come to /pol/ to hear that,
so GTFO Faggot.
>>78971304
I have a Ph.D in Physics, Astrophysics, Biology, Biochemistry, Paleontology, Archaeology, Ancient History and Genetics. I can also speak 14 languages fluently. I have all of the great literary works memorized. I am not lying about any of these.
>>78971530
Don't care about your appeals to authority.
>>78958631
(((Jew Skeptics)))
You're an idiot
>>78971634
Everything you know is based upon authority. Who do you think writes the text books? Why are you compelled to believe them? You need to be 18 to post here.
>global warming is real and man made
Well yeah, no shit. Almost no scientist disagrees on that. The argument is HOW MUCH humans cause. To say that the ENTIRE process in man-made is just a fucking lie that even many activist scientists would disagree with.
I know this was a b8 thread but just wanted to respond.
>>78971827
Google the scientific method
>>78958631
>god does not exist
True.
>global warming is real and man made
At least partially true.
>the holocaust really happened
At least partially true.
>the moon landing was real
True.
>9/11 was not an inside job
True, but with various caveats.
>The earth is not flat
True.
>>78969317
Claims can be true without proof. You don't need a proof for a statement to become true.
>>78971975
Were you there when they did the experiments? Did you witness them yourself? Or did they come through a medium? Several at that. Do you have recorded video evidence of them performing these experiments?
You are the biggest spook pseud ever.
>>78972028
God is real. This is true. Don't ask for proof. I don't need any according to you.
>>78972249
You'll need a proof to convince others.
And yes, your statement could be true, as could "God is not real". Of course only one of them could be true. It's already decided, but we simply don't know which is it.
>>78958631
>God does not exist
Unknown. Religion is real though, and objectively superior to atheism.
>Global warming is real and man made
It's not called global warming, it's called climate change, and 90% of it is natural. The remaining 10% is irrelevant.
>The holocaust really happened
Yes, several thousand Jews were executed by firing squad.
Oh sorry, you meant the gassings? Nope. You don't believe me? The Auschwitz gas chamber door is made of wood and opens inwards. Good luck explaining that one kike.
>The moon landing was real
True. USA is the greatest country in the world.
>9/11 was not an inside job
No, it was Israel.
>The earth is not flat
True.
Let's add a few more.
Race is real, and meaningful.
Socialism has never and will never work.
There is no such thing as Anarcho-Communism.
Leftism is more dangerous than Islam.
>>78972568
Nope. Don't need it. It is true, and you better start believing it, especially based on your logic.
>>78970637
I think you know that you are avoiding the point of the puddle allegory. It's not about whether or not a puddle has the capability to observe, and you're aware of that. Not trying to be condescending, just honest -- this seems like an avoidance tactic.
Likewise, the marble is about whether processes in the natural world should be described as random. Instead of talking about whether or not that, you want to defer the question to 'where did the marble come from', which is a little dishonest.
The marble reaches the bottom because of non-randomness. Saying the origin of the creation event is due to 'randomness' is the same fallacy given by people who equate evolution to 'randomness'. Evolution is nonrandom. Natural law processes are nonrandom.
Pls take a stab at the real questions, as I'd be interested in your perspective.
>>78971993
>God does not exist
Likely true
>Global warming is real and man made
True
>Holocaust really happened
True. 5-6 million jews lost their lives.
>Moon landing was real
True
>9/11 was not an inside job
True but with a few caveats eg: Bush Administration incompetence
>Earth is not flat
True
>>78958631
Ok prove God does not exist, as you have claimed. Science makes no such claim.
>>78972196
>Did you witness them yourself? Or did they come through a medium?
A bit of both. What's your point?
It's not based on appeal to authority. Everyone recognizes that any particular experiment can be wrong.... and it's in everyone's interests to show that an experiment is wrong.
Textsbooks are riddled with errors that you can find yourself if you're paying attention.
You're trying to frame this as appeal to authority, but that's just wrong.
That's why the retard in your video is so obviously an idiot. He asserts that the laws of logic are an appeal to authority the same way the bible is.
>>78965992
Something wrong with loving your friend platonically?
>>78972988
Okay. Ask your questions, make them specific. I need to know exactly what you are asking in order to give you an exact response.
>>78972812
>>78958631
implying Sam Harris is not semi-redpilled
>acknowledges that the self is a illusion it does not exist
>acknowledges free will does not exist (not the molyneux's definition of free will)
>speaks up against islam
but
>has irrational hate boner towards religion
>is globalist commie
>doesn't acknowledge that god in the original meaning (god is everything) does indead exist, even when he does acknowledge that you can become one with everything
also I read his book he literally had to spend over a half of that book ensuring his readers that what he speaks about is not some supernatural woo woo
his followers are literally irrational dogmatic atheists, aka the internet ""skeptics""
>>78972986
You really don't understand how a statement and its truthfulness are connected whatsoever, do you?
>>78958631
> global warming is real and is man made
Well you are partially right. Without Mann's elimination of the warming period and the continual readjustment of past temperatures by today's "scientists", global warming wouldn't exist, and BTW, unlike globull warming, my statements are easily proven true.
>>78973104
Yeah, they are. Especially the ones about evolution. No, it is an appeal. The scientific method can be wrong, the way it is performed can be wrong. People can be wrong. Even when they think they are right, they can be wrong. They have been wrong more times than they have been right, and even sometimes when they say we are 99.9% certain we are right, they have been wrong. It is all an appeal. And it even comes down to an appeal to the sense. Can you trust your senses? Can you trust that your sense are sensing correctly? How do you determine if you are even sensing something correctly? And what determines if something is correctly being sensed if everything comes through the senses?
You are a spook. I wish you would just post your degree. It would make our conversation much more interesting.
>>78973332
According to you they don't need proof. All statements are correct, especially ones that have no proof.
>>78973143
It's the same questions in >>78970116. Let's start with the first one.
> The universe is fine-tuned to cultivate a human existence.
I'll give you the puddle thing directly from source.
> “This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.
The only conditions which would be condusive to life, would be the ones that we observe. Isn't it more likely that we are fine-tuned to our surroundings, rather than our surroundings being intelligently fine-tuned to bring about humanity in the future?
> pic unrelated, USD I made off the BREXIT
>>78973567
>How do you determine if you are even sensing something correctly?
All knowledge has the property that it can predict what you will sense in the future.
It's inductive, so people can be wrong, but we already knew that.
There's no appeal to authority required.
>>78958631
wow 0/6, that's impressive! Being that wrong about reality in general.
>>78958631
>>god does not exist
belgium don't exist
>https://youtu.be/-PtRiQPLsMI?t=2m2s
>>78973705
>All statements are correct
Yeah, you really did not understand what I said.
I said as soon as you make a statement, its truthfulness is already decided, but most of the time not known and not always provable at the time.
For example: I could claim that the function e^x is analytic.
Even before anyone could provide a proof this statement is already true.
For the second case I could have said a week ago, that GB will vote to leave the EU. At this time I could not predict or prove that this is true, yet it would have been.
>>78974045
>The only conditions which would be condusive to life, would be the ones that we observe.
Obviously, I'm not sure what this aims to prove.
> Isn't it more likely that we are fine-tuned to our surroundings, rather than our surroundings being intelligently fine-tuned to bring about humanity in the future?
This question just seems absurd. If the surroundings were not fine tuned, we would never come to be. Which makes the former part of the question meaningless.
>>78974139
You just appealed to induction being an actual thing. You appealed to it being able to be wrong. Were these your ideas? No. They were ideas of someone else. Nothing but appeals.
>>78974650
Exactly. Which means they could all be true.
>>78975027
Yes, now you got it!
You finally went from
> All statements are correct
to
> All statements could be correct (which is still not technically true, but I take it)
My work here is done.
>>78975027
>They were ideas of someone else.
Do you know what an appeal to authority is??
Hint: It doesn't mean you have to think of every idea yourself.
>>78958631
Hahaha you stillbleiving in da magic fairy in da sky ? xdxd Well I dont that means im smarter than u xd
>>78975291
Yes, because "x" said it is true, therefore it must be true. You are saying that because "x" said "y", it must be true. Everything is an appeal. And it ultimately comes down to an appeal to the senses.
>>78975655
>You are saying that because "x" said "y", it must be true.
No I'm not. Read it again. Quote where I said that.
>And it ultimately comes down to an appeal to the senses.
No, you're mixing things up. You're confusing the idea of knowledge with the idea of a logical conclusion.
I know it's probably a waste of time to explain this to you, but that's what you're doing.
What I said earlier about knowledge is the definition of the word. It's not a logical fallacy.
>>78976161
Then do you admit that everything you have said could be wrong?
>>78976542
>Then do you admit that everything you have said could be wrong?
Definitions can't be wrong
>>78958631
Fuck off Belgnigger. Your kind and the frenchies are literally the worst Europeans to exist. Choke on a baguette or something. Get run over by a bulldozer at the next farmers' protest. Anything
>>78976694
Because we define them. That doesn't answer my question.
>>78958631
>(((Harris)))
>>78959864
This right here.
>>78977083
>That doesn't answer my question.
Yes it does. Everything I said can't be wrong, because some of the things I said have been definitions.
>>78964938
Heyyyyy
>>78962433
Literally zero evidence of the law of non-contradiction
Yet you still appeal to it in EVERY single situation.
Hmmmmm
>>78958631
5 our of 6 is not bad. The holocaust didn't happen though
>>78977528
But the law of non contradiction isn't a property of reality. It's fine to say it isn't real... just like god.
>>78977412
Other than definitions.
>>78977748
>asserting something you have no knowledge of
Wew lad. Not sure why I have been wasting my time after this.
>>78978232
Sure I'm open to being disproved.
>>78978337
Nice try kiddo. Remember the definition of knowledge. You need to have a prediction in mind to say something is real.
Sorry, it doesn't excuse your lies from earlier either.
>>78966646
>It seems to me completely sensible from the evidence that left alone for long enough, inert matter becomes life.
>Seems
>inert matter becomes life
ok, prove it
>>78958631
>the earth is not flat
You had me up until this point.
I guess you just have to have a give-away punchline to justify your post, but if you could instead just put in more plain lies instead, that'd be great.
