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If you're a Christian post itt
It's been a long time since the ADL has called the Orthodox Church to follow the suit of their brothers, the Protestants and Catholics. But Orthodox still refuse to comply, is there any excuse for this?
>ADL Urges Orthodox Christian Churches To Excise Anti-Semitism From Liturgy
>Eric J. Greenberg, ADL Associate Director of Interfaith Affairs, noted that some Orthodox liturgy still refer to Jews as Christ-killers, and that some Easter services include calls for revenge against Jews. He noted that the Roman Catholic Church and several Protestant churches have removed anti-Semitic passages from its liturgy, and that the Vatican repudiated the deicide charge against the Jewish people in 1965.
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/chjew_31/5069_31.html#.V271CvkrJmN
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcL9S5a3weU
Why are we having this same exact thread again? I declined to reply the first time, but Orthodox churches can do whatever the fuck they want to do, especially when the Jewish IRL Defense Force oy veys at them.
t. Roman Catholic
I have an addiction to buying Christian books at Goodwill but usually it's garbage from megachurch pastors so I avoid buying that. I do find cool stuff occasionally. I've been thumbing through Luther's Catechism with extra notes WELS produced which is interesting. As for the Orthodox I hope they leave their liturgies as is. The kikes have no right to tell Christians how to run their services when their own services and texts are filled with even more hatred for Christians than a Christian can ever feel for a Jew.
>>78879227
Independent Baptist checking in. Isn't it kind of sad how the pope is single handedly destroying catholicism?
>>78883124
pope moar liek nope
Orthodox Jew here, I need a goy for the coming shabbos, paying 10 shekels per hour. Jobs will include turning on the light for me in dark places, reading /pol/ for me so I miss any new memes, and eating challah bread and cookies my mother won't stop sending me.
Anybody interested??!
>>78879227
I fucking hate you barn animals.
>>78883124
Reformed Baptist here
>>78884058
I love you, please put your trust in Christ
>>78884243
Carriers position has no backing, it's all speculation
>>78879227
>If you're a Christian post itt
I'm not religious but I respect you guys.
>inb4 fedora tipper
Atheists are annoying pricks.
Would remove kebab with/10.
>>78884394
Nope just God and Jesus
>>78879227
Roman Catholic here that attends a FSSP parish in my city.
>>78884430
What is keeping you from putting your trust in Christ
how do I know if I'm truly saved?
>>78883124
>>78884187
I know neither of you guys are Southern Baptist but I'm just curious what you thought about the Southern Baptist Convention announcing they want their congregations to encourage to stop waving Confederate flags.
>>78879227
Taiwanese Christfag reporting in.
Who pentecostal church here?
>>78884608
I would disagree, the whole bible shows original sin
God told Adam he would die the day he ate the fruit, lives another 900 years, so it's inferred he died spiritualy
Hebrews saw gods power in Egypt yet worshiped a bull as soon as Moses went up the mountain
Original sin is obvious, we are all born with a nature that is rebellious twords God
>>78884610
If you repent and put your trust in Christ alone
If you need assurance read 1 John
>>78884610
Ask for forgiveness, do your best to do like Christ. Believe in Christ and you are saved.
>>78884648
I attend a southern Baptist church, they are true Americans and have my approval
>>78879227
Reporting in
>>78884785
I go to Assemblies of God, which is Pentecostal I guess. We speak in tongues and stuff
>>78884902
Read the Gospel of Thomas. The heart of early Christianity is in that.
>>78885154
The Gospel of Thomas was written much later than the canonical Gospels,
Fuck off christcucks, /pol/ is a board for Nordic pagans only.
Burn down all churches for thor!
long live the Nordic old gods!!!!
>>78885316
Have fun in hell for rejecting Christ
I'm conflicted. I want the values of a Christian family, but can't undo being an athiest. It's a red pill I wish I never swallowed.
>>78885017
I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and while I like the people and I think their faith is earnest I found it very lacking in terms of answers for me then the Southern Baptist Convention started doing weird shit which gave me enough push to leave. I still respect them for giving me a good foundation on learning about The Bible though. As for the Confederate flag part I guess it just bothers me the SBC would tell their congregations to not fly it and disrespect the very people who founded their denomination and the men who would've been most of the earliest pastors of the SBC would've been Confederate veterans. I also just think they shouldn't have a right to tell people they can't honor their own ancestors.
>>78885393
your savior was nailed to a cross
my god has a hammer.
any questions?
>>78885469
God deniers abandon all knowledge let alone being Redpilled
>>78885469
Except atheism is blue pill
DEAD KIKE ON A STICK
NEVER FORGET
I GUESS
>>78885526
If you have a problem with it, and you have biblical backing, find another bible based church
>>78885528
My God rose from the dead
Your people abandoned your God, and a hammer can't forgive sins
Any questions?
>>78883124
>Isn't it kind of sad how the pope is single handedly destroying catholicism?
I think you mean saving the world from Catholicism.
>>78883479
Jizz Crackers, now that's classic.
>>78885633
A kike was a Jewish immagrant who refused to sign with an ex because it looked like a cross
>>78885316
Did you know Thor crossdressed? How about Odin putting on a skirt and drumming with witches?
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
Head to bed but God bless you all.
>>78884946
>>78884975
Thanks for your answers. Also, thank you for the scripture reference. I just read it and it was really inspiring
>>78886071
Yep it's a good one and it's pretty short
>>78885740
I've basically been trying as many denominations of Christianity as possible. It's helped me a lot seeing how different churches think and worship and how they back things up through The Bible and tradition and the writings of many great Christian men through the years.
Am Christian but haven't settled on a denomination. I've been going to a Lutheran Church and they seem cool but idk. I'll check out Baptist next.
>>78886219
If you don't have a problem with baby baptism, ARP (Refomed Presbyterian) church is pretty based
>>78886280
Just make sure you put your trust alone in Christ for your salvation and he will guide you to the right church
>>78883124
There have been worse popes tbqh.
>>78884610
You just have to be believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I'm pretty sure that entails following the 10 Commandments too, but I could be wrong about that part. Might conflict with the belief and not works thing.
>>78885017
Is this the sort of mean baptist from the /pol/ women thread?
For the rest of the thread - is it wrong to believe that no matter what we do right now, our fate for whether we go to heaven or hell is already sealed? I know that conflicts with the notion of free will (or actually, someone told me that) but it confuses me because by the laws of physics, everything we do is already pre determined. And since God designed us and determines the past, present, and future, is it incorrect to believe such an idea?
I'm a Christian, but I'm such a vile sinner. I feel like I still need saved everyday. God does so much for me and I'm so unappreciative. I just hope I've made an positive impact on someone's spiritual walk with/toward Christ and maybe our God will be proud of me. God bless all of you. I'm saying a prayer for everyone on this board.
>>78885316
bait
>>78886676
>I'm such a vile sinner
>I feel like I need saving everyday
Everyone does. No exceptions.
>>78886606
Nope, predestination is a thing eph 1
If your worried about it, fall flat on your face and beg God for a changed mind and put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation and you will have nothing to worry about,
We have a sense of free will, but because we love our sin, We won't choose God on our own
>>78886676
Read John chapter 3
Romans 10
Romans 6
Who's hype for the Ark Encounter opening next week?
I live nearby and I'm definitely going - being surrounded by fellow creationists as we all gather around the Ark. It must feel like visiting the Temple did in the old days!
>>78879227
Catholic here, considering converting to orthodoxy because Catholic Church has been responsible for the death of thousands of infants in state care in the past 50 years, not to mention all the rape protected by the papacy. Disgraceful.
>>78887208
This also seems to have happened exclusively in Ireland for some reason? And how come there's never been an Irish Pope? We were always the most loyal and never once acknowledged. Millions of Irishmen died for their faith.
>>78886935
Wait wait. So you can ask God for a changed mind? That isn't being disrespectful as its His will? I read that if you're afraid of going against His word and going to hell, then you're fine. Why is this so confusing ;-;
So what passages were read today, and what were all of your sermons about? My church did Kings 19: 9-21, Galatians 5: 1, 13-15, and Luke 9: 51-62.
The sermon was about to not lose faith to Christ, even in the face of great strife and hardship, prioritize Christ as your highest priority in your life, and that it is difficult to follow him, but we're to keep at it.
>>78887465
Oh yeah, forgot to add, Missouri Synod Lutheran.
>>78887427
The difference between someone who is of the elect and not is how they respond to the gospel message. If the Holy Spirit is working in someone, they will genuinely go to God and ask for his forgiveness, the natural man on the other hand will scoff and go about their day
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing but to Christians it is the message of our salvation
>>78887937
Okay well then I'm gonna pray right now because you're scaring the hell out of me heh ^-^
>>78885316
C'mon man.
You got Thorsday (Thursday) in exchange for converting fair and square.
>>78888077
Don't do it because I said so
Do it because you're a sinner deserving of hell, and that you need Christ to save you
>>78885316
guess that is why the nordic gods won when Christianity tried moving in. Oh wait...no, that didn't happen. They lost.
>>78884484
I would say catholic cuckery, and he still hold the assumption that catholic = christian which is by far the most incorrect thing ever.
>>78888264
Well I just did it. Anyway I didnt do it because you said to. I did it because of something you said, how a natural man wouldn't really care but a Christian would. Also, I haven't been acting too catholic lately so it seemed like the right thing to do.
>inb4 you're going to hell because you're a catholic
>>78888748
I would say Roman Catholics make more atheist than any other denomination.
It doesn't matter what church you go to, if you don't have Christ, you will have to answer for your sins to a just and holy God, and if you were to die today, you will be guilty,
But Jesus Attoned for the sins of those who put their trust in him alone for their salvation. Not a pope or a church
John 3:16
All you have to do is change mind and put your trust in him to have your sins forgiven and you can have your salvation secure tonight
>>78889051
Alright if you took it seriously your salvation is eternally secure and you will never have to worry about hell again
Next thing you should do is find a church and read your Bible
I recommend the book of Romans to start
If you ever doubt your salvation read 1John
Best of luck to you in your walk with Christ
Deus vult, brothers.
I just read some bible verses for the first time in 20 years tonight. Its starting to make sense now
>>78889567
Thank you anon(:
>>78879227
>ADL
Can grab it's little fancy heresies and go fuck themself
>>78889760
What ya reading
I want someone to make a 4chan Christbros discord channel because these threads don't last much and I am too damn lazy to do one
>>78889351
Protestants make the most Atheist than any other denomination. They can't explain why their god has split personality disorder or why God decided to make the truth in the early stages of Christianity so different compared to that of the Protcucks. Take this for example
>>78888748
Explain this
>>78886411
Thats my plan, friend. My life has improved 10 fold since I welcomed God back into my life. I know if I walk with Jesus he will lead me in the right direction
>>78879227
>>78890633
Protestants have had a major influx of false converts recently due to the whole prosperity gospels and give Jesus a try
Although most atheists I have talked to have had a strong Catholic background
Most Protestants have a cultural Christian or Christian on Sunday only attitude in the states
But please elaborate on your point, I'd like to hear more about this
>>78879227
I like the pope's intentions. In a world without islam, he'd make a great a pontiff.
I like his commitment to acts of charity and his emphasis on them.
But his off the cuff remarks and actions are biting him in the ass.
And unfortunately, he's like that kindly old grandpa among statesman that everyone likes to do lip service towards, and then they go back to being sinful, inhuman globalists.
>>78890788
It's true, reading the bible also helps
>>78890990
Have you noticed how radically different Protestants are? Take Calvinism or Armininianism for example. Both sides play the game by Sola Scriptura which inadvitably leads to a deadlock where we don't know who is right. Some decides to make it such that both are somehow right but this makes it such that there is a god with split personality disorder as he saves all yet he presestines intentionally before creation, the salvation of some.
>>78884610
Jesus has to be your Lord. That means you have to actually listen to him and do what he says in his teachings. Don't listen to dispensationalists who say that you don't have to listen to his teachings. That's a one way ticket to a bad time. Also, his gospel was primarily about the kingdom that he will be king of. That's important too. If he spent his entire ministry teaching about the kingdom and getting people to repent, then make sure you do the same. Otherwise it's hard to be a follower of Christ if you don't actually follow him.
Don't fall into the once saved always saved camp. Jesus was not ok with people who continued in sin...see Pharisees and his rebukings of them. He went to sinners, but taught them to repent. Repentance does not just mean feeling bad. It means actually changing your ways and stopping the sinning. We won't always get it right, but some people don't even try and think they are ok. I wouldn't put my own life in that hope. Remember, he told the woman he saved from stoning to go and sin no more. Not...just have faith. He said don't do it anymore. So try that.
The most important thing is to be a lover of truth. That means that you don't for sure have the right answers, just the best you have right now. If you find out in your studies of the scriptures a better doctrine that fits the text better, then exchange your error for the new truth. Also, don't value traditions and teachings of men over what your studies tell you. Satan is a master at deception and he has his fingers in places you wouldn't believe. Pray for the Helper to guide you and always approach with a humble heart seeking truth in earnest.
>>78891262
I'm a Calvinist but Arminians also believe in justification by Faith alone (Romans 4) so I believe an arminian can also be saved as long as they put their trust in Christ.
One of the greatest things about Biblical Christianity is that a total understanding of theology is not what saves you
>>78891406
OSAS John 10:28
Liscence to sin? No see Romans 6
>>78891577
Then by definition, an Arian who does the same despite having contradictory beliefs can do so. Here we see how you ignored my question and made a deity who has split personality disorder. The worst part is how the deity you worship is not loving. He doesn't give freesom of will to his creatures, only its illusion, deceiving them. He made the Fall happened and all evils that come to pass! All for his plan which he did prior to creation!
God isn't real.
>>78891577
Philosophically, your deity causes evil as Peter Van Ingawen and virtually every philosopher would say
>>78891945
You aren't real. Prove that you are.
>>78891998
There is physical, primary, secondary and readily observable evidence that i exist.
>>78891262
Well, they both still stick to perfect being theology which is of pagan/Platonic origin. You get a lot of those problems when you think Jews are evil, discard their way of thinking in favor of the Greeks, and then try to read a Jewish book about a Jewish savior. You're going to have a bad time. Open theism is a little better at that stupid debate since the bible seems to show us a God who at least chooses not to know and interacts and responds to His creation before acting.
Also, Sola Scriptura works if we actually follow Christ's teaching and show love and humility. We don't have all the right answers, but God lovingly meets us where we are. As we continue to dig rather than just accept the doctrines given to us by men, He will advance our understanding. We have to be careful though not to fall in love with our own ideas and doctrines. When we discover we have error and another explanation fits the scriptures better, we have to be humble enough to discard our error. Also, we have to show love to one another that we aren't all at the same place. We can discuss and use the scriptures to either expose each others' error or we discover it is our own. However, too many times, Christians have not shown love and have sought to kill others for believing differently. Even Calvin, who fought to believe what he thought was right, turned right around and had Michael Servetus put to death. Not very Christian...nor even doing to others what he wanted done to him.
God is truth. We are not. We live in a time of deception, but He does not leave us alone. However, He will allow us to sit in error if it suits His purpose or if our hearts are not in the right place. There are numerous times in the bible where God allows His people to be in error, but does not abandon them nor immediately correct them.
The most important thing is to show love and not bind the consciences of others. Arrogance instead of humility leads those in error to insist on error and impose error.
>>78891884
False, putting your trust in Christ alone requires Christ to be both God and man
Only God can forgive sins
There are essentials
So both Mormons and JW are out
>>78891987
Causes no
Allows yes
Being a Christian in a libertarian "society" leads directly into poverty. And people value ONLY money. The more evil, wicked, cruel, heartless you are the better are you doing.
Thank you """Solidarity""" and JPII.
Greetings from German neocolony.
>>78892104
That only works when we have a god who doesn't forgive. He still wants his money back. Any suggestion of forgiveness entails that any damages occurred out of mistake will not have any compensation
>>78892104
>>78892079
*rolls eyes*
>>78892177
And degenerate people in a libertarian society would make it socialist again because degenerate behavior leads to irresponsibility
>>78892236
God doesn't exist so why are you losing sleep over it?
>>78892236
? Elaborate
Still trying to rediscover faith. Shit is hard. What do?
>>78892394
Read Romans 1
John 3
Romans 10
>>78892394
Realize that your rational side is maturity and find something productive to do.
>>78892267
If you want to attack my position, you better back it up with scripture
>>78892530
>back it up with scripture
I don't rely on nonsense fables.
>>78892616
Oh well I'm afraid you don't have a dog in this fight
>>78892079
How stupid are you? Paul shows Stoic influences and the practices of NT Christians bear resemblance and influence from the Pagan background of the day. Even John borrows from Hellenistic vocabulary through the language of Logos. Paul also have been infleunced from the book of Wisdom which itself has Hellenistic infleunces! This makes your whole bs about Platonism and Greek philosophy useless when NT authors do the very same! Sola ScriptUra is also unfaithful to Scripture when the very composition of Scripture comes from Tradition. The Bible didn't mafically fall from the sky and the whole reading culture of the Bible is communial which opposes Sola ScriptUra which is individualistic. No Church Father or NT author has any notion of Sola ScriptUra. They oppose it as shown here >>78890701 the fact that you Proturds can't even agree with each other entails deception on your part!
>>78892687
Go ahead and argue with the other little boys about which transformer is best kiddo.
>>78883124
If you haven't realized it yet, the Pope is a false idol. Those who look up to him shall burn.
>>78884648
Former SB (not an issue with the church). The flag thing is just garbage shenanigans/politics. Think I'll go down the road and take a dump on Pat Robertsons front yard before I give up my flags.
>>78892735
Romans 1:18-22
Have fun suppressing the truth in your unrighteousness
Unless you repent and put your trust in Christ, you will stand guilty before a just and holy God
>>78892387
Here's how Reformed Atonement works, Adam and Eve did something wrong. God is pissed as fuck at them and will not be able to let it go unless he gets his money back. So, he beats Jesus who is him and his son, up for it. That's even more psychotic when one considers how Adam and Eve and even Satan were
Controlled by God himself. They never acted out of their own determination
>>78892855
God did that. He intend for that shit to happen before he made anything
>>78892855
>you're in trouble when you die
Okay, if you say so buddy.
Everyone should gang up against the Calvinist heresy before we progress
>>78891683
No one will snatch them, but he doesn't say you can't walk away on your volition by going back to sin or just back to unbelief.
>I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me--and I in him--bears much fruit, because apart from me you can accomplish nothing. If a man does not abide with me, he is thrown away like a shriveled up branch, and they gather it, throwing it into the fire to burn.
-John 15:5-6
Right from the Master's own mouth that it is possible to be cut out of the vine.
>Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings
-1 Timothy 4:1
How can you desert the faith?
I gave just a few, but there are numerous scriptures that mention it is the one who endures til the end who will be saved...that kind of means that there are those who come to the faith, but don't endure. Also, many who are Christians will say "Lord Lord" but he will reject them. Hard to reconcile Eternal Security when Jesus explicitly says he will be rejecting some who not only believe, but did works in his name.
>>78892959
If that drone's god is real, I rather kiss you right now and turn you into a cute trap
>>78892309
> abusing people till the very end of their patience
> lies everywhere
> reward iniquity punish goodness
> responsibility
>>78892895
No that's kind of a straw man
The fall was planned
You break my tv, I forgive you, and I pay for it
We have a sin debt against God, God forgives the elect, and God pays through the atoning sacrifice of the son
Col 2:14
Eph1
Romans 8:28-
John 6:37-42
John 10
>>78893145
God isn't real. Stop feeling like your entitled to a positive existence and go make a difference.
Question: Does the bible actually say something along the line of, "those who consort with beasts?"
If so, what does that actually mean
>>78892952
What's keeping you from putting your trust in Christ
>>78892458
I will make a note thank you
>>78892478
Always trying to be productive but that is also difficult and I was hoping the church could help with that. Were classes still in session I could finish my degree. Finding a part time job has not been easy so far, over a dozen apps sent not one returned
>>78893232
It was hinting at the plot twist in Game of Thrones.
all I do is lay down and rot
Save me Christ bros
>>78892959
Your gonna be held even more accountable because you rejected the truth when it was brought to you
>>78892726
>How stupid are you?
Christian love? Humility? Who really is your Father?
The NT writiers utilize what was already understood to make points. They don't adopt it as their thinking, but they use it as an apologetics tool .Most of the people they would speak to were of Greek education or metaphysics. You have to talk to people in a language they understand. So they took those concepts and repurposed them to communicate a truth. They aren't saying that Plato is totally right on the duality of the soul and everyone is going to heaven. Nope. Jesus was pretty clear about a kingdom and you don't really hear that at many pulpits, do you? Or is it altogether another gospel that they preach?
>>78893319
Understandable, focus on finishing your degree, go look for a support network. Does your college have a career center? Get a resume together, workout, find value in your life.
>>78893325
If ya ain't ganna help, why answer?
Any Catholic here go to the Steubenville Conferences?
>>78893152
Actually, it's not. That's how it works. Your deity is not just. He places blame
Upon things with no ability of self
Determination. I don't expect any payment when I forgive someone. I don't expect anything from him or even any form of recompense. But God the father must and this comes in the form of beating up God the Son in his human-God form. So, he beats up a human being to satisfy his anger. That is sadism, not forgiveness
>>78893354
I get up mostly out of spite
>>78893360
Have you ever had anyone come back from the dead and tell you about this nonsense or are you literally making it up and allowing a book full of ancient fables and stories reinforce your delusions?
Believing bad things happen to bad people when they die is the greatest injustice the world has ever known. It allows bad people to get away with being unjust because you "believe" they will be punished when it stops mattering.
Your just going to die just like me, just like everyone else and you're going nowhere more special than i am buddy.
til then!
I'm thinking of converting to christianity. Anybody want to chat with me on skype? I'm very serious.
>>78893412
Why ask?
Don't you bible believers always say "have faith"
Well have faith, most of the bible is nonsense, find meaning in it.
>>78892726
Paul also pointed to an alter of an unknown god in Athens. Does that mean Paul is tacitly conceding and approving of the whole Greek pantheon?
>>78893373
They adopt it as shown by the similarities to that of their world. Paul himself is a product of this as shown with his infleunce from Wisdom and the Stoics. Guess this is ignored so that you
Can make your shitty point. No ones even saying that the CHristfags thinks Plato or Hellenistic philosophy is right. Just that they were INFLEUNCED by them. Stop making strawman moron
>Always see what's new in the world through /pol/
>Get mad at the atrocities people do and get away with
>Always feel better when a Christian thread pops up
>Remind myself to not act on my anger (Esphesians 4:26)
Thank you guys for helping me stay in high spirits.
My major goal is to tell others of Christ through example, seeing as how people have listened to me before with other things such as diet & exercise when I stick to my strict regimen versus cheat meals every day all day
>>78893354
The only one who can save you from yourself if you, anon.
>>78893391
Already did the career center and resume however my resume is almost non existent as I have always been a full time student and I have never held an "official" job I can cite. Found a job as a chemical lab assistant on campus but was turned down despite being called overly qualified in favor of some yahoo from the nearby big university who was apparently more experienced. My instructor in the fall is head of internships and I intend to cozy up to him, however I am stuck as a NEET for the next two months and it is making me suicidal. I've no idea how /r9k/ can cope with having nothing to do
Deus vult
>>78884785
Church of God reporting in.
>>78893589
Seeing as how I was asking a question, wouldn't it make sense that I am not a believer? I mean, are you that thick to not understand the connection?
>>78893627
Wow, strawman alert! Illiterate moron
>>78893061
Key word is no one
But I don't make doctrine from one verse
John 6:37-42
John 3:16 says those who believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life
1 John 5:11
Says we have eternal life, if we have it, but can lose it, than its not eternal
Collisions 2:14
Sin is equated as a debt and Jesus paid for the debt of believers on the cross, if the sin debt was paid for on the cross, you can't be held accountable for sins that were paid for
>>78893354
Maybe I'm wrong.
Pray for strength.
>>78893688
Why ask such a stupid question?
>>78893463
Do you understand the concept of the trinity?
>>78893767
You are not good at this, are you?
1. Explain why Islam/Hinduism/Any other religion besides Christianity is not true.
2. Apply that reasoning to Christianity.
>>78893695
Just like the GNOSTICS!
>>78893688
Start reading the NT, understand some of the context used, as there is a lot of passages that do require some extra studying outside of what is being noted on the page. Also see which denomination speaks closer to the truth for you, go to a couple of services, speak with the clergy.
>>78893672
If you can't find value in your life and expected a degree to change all your problems then you are in the right company joining a bunch of yahoo's at a local church who will fill your head with crap.
Or you can just realize you've been working towards a goal your entire life (to achieve a degree), stick with it and focus on making it work or doing something else with your life like most people.
I'm not going to tell you that you're loved or that anything special is going to happen when you die. You have to earn love and you will die one day, that's reality, that can motivate you to suicide or to do something about your situation, up to you.
>>78893848
Oh, I didn't know God the son and God the father are one person. Stupid calvinist
>>78893955
You a JW?
>>78893872
good at what?
What are we doing that i am supposed to be good at? Don't attribute your weaknesses to me.
>>78893507
You know God exists, and you suppress the truth in your unrighteousness, I'm not better than you, but I am better off,
>>78879227
Cuz I don't want to pay for your fucking healthcare LOL. How hard is that to understand?
>>78894000
I just hate Protestcucks
>>78893905
Nope study Gnosticism, they literally worship the serpeant
>>78894016
Next time, you have to try harder, lol.
>>78893917
Too much work. Just wanted a simple fucking answer to a question. Never mind.
>>78894043
Logical fallacy, the epitome of calvinist apologetics
>>78894043
No i don't know he exists buddy.
Can you offer evidence?
Not hypothesis, scientific evidence?
>>78894120
and believe in predestination like the Calvinists!
>>78893955
Nope one God in three distinct persons
>>78894099
>hating anyone
Have you not read the teachings of Jesus Christ?
>>78894099
Are you a Catholic?
>>78894099
k, because God the Father and God the Son being one in the same is something pretty much what every Christian denomination believes, save for JWs and Mormons.
>>78894172
What is wrong with predestination?
>>78894145
Clearly you don't understand, and it looks bad (for you) to dismiss something because you don't understand it.
Oldest trick in the book.
>>78894176
Well done heretic. The Trinity is defined as three persons who are one God
>>78894177
Have you not see the absurdity of Protestantism?
>>78894162
Natural sciences are for testing natural things
God is a transcendent being so you would have to look for transcendent evidence
>>78894099
Cite source.
>>78894250
It creates a psychopathic God for starters
>>78894172
Eph 1
Romans 8
Romans 9
John 6
Well it's biblical
>>78894358
Prove the supernatural exists buddy.
We don't throw away epistemology because it's easy.
Same way you don't like to kill babies.
>>78894349
You shouldn't hate anyone anon.
Especially not those who genuinely love Christ, regardless of whether or not they adhere to the exact same doctrine as you.
Rather, you should pray that they come to understand the truth.
>>78894228
I am an anti Protestant agnostic. Ex Calvinist
>>78879227
>Greenberg
Deus vult, God's will be done.
>>78894444
Is logic material or conceptual?
>>78894386
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm
>>78893201
> born more or less with """""Solidarity"""""
> muh Pope, muh religion, muh Jesus
> muh miraculous end of the SU
> trust in G*d, do not be afraid
> everything turned upside down
fuck you
>>78894393
How?
>>78894444
Prove the natural exists. Problem?
>>78894465
I see
>>78894428
No it's not. The consistent affirmation of free will by the Church Fathers shows this
>>78894444
On what basis in atheism is there for a rational belief in knowledge?
Yes I am a WASPinator
>>78894538
We can prove alternate dimensions and many miraculous things you'd like to call "transcendental" but it's all natural science.
Logic is a system of thought which can reliably lead you to the correct answers, the amount of mental gymnastics and logical contradictions requires to believe in God makes it illogical and it means he likely doesn't exist, just like most things that aren't real, like magic.
>>78894620
Non libertarian free will exists alongside predestination
>>78894564
Explained here >>78893463
>>78891884
Question: Does the bible actually say something along the line of, "those who consort with beasts?"
If so, what does that actually mean?
>>78894560
>born told stories
>grows up realizing they were just stories
Sorry anon.
>>78893657
This.
There are so many things on /pol/ that make me just want to hate others or view certain people as subhuman. But we must love others, for God is love. If we cannot love that which we see, how can we love the Father, whom we have not seen? (Just got done reading 1 John, thanks to the anon that recommended it).
We must strive to keep a spirit of love and follow God's commandments.
>>78894598
Elaborate
>>78894624
I'm agnostic so i don't know.
>>78894665
Is logic absolute? Is it objective?
>>78894692
That is a shitty buzzword when anyone who knows compatabilism knows that any desires and choice are still ultimately caused by prior causes. In a Calvinistic context this is akin to a ball being dropped having free will
>>78893932
Maybe you are right. Sometimes it is hard to see the bigger picture, all I see now is empty but it will not stay that way if I keep pushing forward. I just dread the thought of turning out like those fools on /r9k/. I will do what I can to keep my eyes on the finish line. Thanks for the chat but I'm gonna turn in for the night
>>78894629
Same. What denomination?
Was Episcopalian, but never really cared for it. Then the church become a den filled with priests and bishops that are heretics, blasphemers, and I'd go as far as to say pagans as well.
Went Lutheran, MO Synod.
>>78894808
Suck a dick presuppositionalist fallacist
>>78894697
I think you understood predestination wrong.
>>78894808
It's objective, it still requires facts and evidence to backup.
good lies are logically sound for instance.
Dinesh D'Souza has brought me into the light of the lord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ien2Ah3lEY
>>78894629
I hate Protestants but I hate Calvinism even more. So much I would even side with a non calvinist Protedtant
>>78894816
Stop browsing 4chan, get some sleep and go for a bike ride in the morning bud.
Better advice than these cocksuckers will tell you, i guarantee it.
>>78894810
If we are the product of Atheistic evolution, do we have free will if are mind is just product of chemical reactions and we are influenced by out environment
>>78894870
That's because I am explicitly arguing against the Calvinist form of it
>>78894883
Logic is objective, but requires evidence
Need logic to examine the evidence
Circular your logic is
Missouri Christian here. Given the current state of affairs, I've come to the conclusion that the end is at the doorstep. Furthermore, I have a feeling that Muhammad is the False Prophet, Allah is the Antichrist, and the Beast has yet to be revealed. I've gotten visions of the future from time to time, which was prophesied to happen in the last days; so far, only the most apocalyptic haven't already come true, but we're on the brink.
>>78894937
Show me academic peer reviewed journals that disprove evolution. Thanks for showing how stupid you are
>>78895049
Circular it is not.
Circular your understanding is.
>>78894776
My point was made.
>>78895052
Sell everything and live in poverty so Lord Jesus will take you straight to heaven asap.
>>78895129
The Calvinist's brain is as flat as a circle
>>78879227
Peace and Love to you all
>>78894719
nevermind, that isn't even in the bible. Just looked it up.
>>78895168
You proved you don't understand science.
So yea, i guess, just not the way you expected it to be.
>>78894598
>>78894624
We're communicating using a system other people made. Therefore there is an objective reality that follows laws applicable to all of our perceptions of the natural universe. The only alternative to that is solipsism.
>>78895198
lol
>>78895053
I said atheistic evolution makes free will impossible, I'm not arguing ID or theistic evolution.
If atheistic evolution is true, your just a bag of meat that has chemical reactions. You are biologically determined to act based upon genetics or environment
>>78895192
>28 posts by this ID
I'll pray for (You). :^)
>>78894836
I am United... but United is like easy mode... We are way too Liberal and I aim on changing things. I started going to church last week and started worming my way to the top and I will bring back Conservative Christianity to the United Church. I watched an aboriginal thing last week Sunday and they said how we enslaved them and destroyed them with our residential schools. It was total bull shit to get us to keep paying the naders money and feel white guilt. This will be no more once I make it to the top. We are going to be proud Christians again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1hHsk6Sfps
>>78895334
Thanks!
>>78879227
Literally none of you can give me a single legit reason to believe in a god, literally none of you.
The only thing that'll make me believe is god himself, so where is he?
>>78895129
Using evidence to understand logic
Using logic to understand the evidence
Show me how this isn't circular?
>>78895257
Technically speaking you won't know it doesn't exist but for us to even make some or any form of progress and gain information we must presuppose an external reality which we can somehow interact with, or else we are trapped in square one.
>>78895303
False. For all we know free will may simply be an attribute that arises as simple systems interact together
>>78895416
I don't have to validate this for you.
Scientists are paid to do research and discover truths. I am not. If you need someone on 4chan to validate natural science for you then you're not very intelligent and likely lack the wherewithal to do the proper research yourself to realize that you're wrong.
>>78895052
Describe your visions please.
I have this nagging thought in my head that I need to read the Bible. Which translation is legit?
>>78895576
Hebrew.
I wanted to let Jesus in my heart but he got stuck my ass.Jesus could use some of that prayer magic, pls help
>>78895387
Anytime. You seem like you need it.
>>78894792
Yet you're asking for proof without providing a theory of knowledge on your behalf. If you do not have one that is coherent anything that could be offered would be as to gibberish.
>>78895257
Right. And the difference is the theist proposes an explanation for the truth of that external reality rather than taking it for granted.
>>78895503
Science relies on the laws of logic
show me how you can account for the logic
>>78895633
Every night for the rest of your life please.
>>78895664
Those are axioms. Axioms are there to create a mechanism for accessing information. Without which we would not make any progress or understanding in anything if we decide to follow your approach
>>78895664
Because i can.
>>78895643
Proving god exists is a simple question, don't delude it and deflect with your practiced Christian Speech Judo.
>>78895621
Well, that's beyond my skill set. Which English translation has minimal infusion of SJW degenerate interpretation?
>>78895692
I already do.
>>78895781
Pray to god for the knowledge.
>>78895782
Thank you anon. I will achieve greatness on the back of your belief.
>>78895754
So the axioms are true because they are axioms and axioms are true because they are axioms
You just assume they are true
That's no different than me saying the bible is the word of God because it says it is
>>78895755
>Proving god exists is a simple question, don't delude it and deflect with your practiced Christian Speech Judo.
Proving there is anything that can be known, and that you can know it is a simple question. Don't delude it and deflect it with your practiced skeptical speech judo.
If you do not have a theory of knowledge that can be appealed to, why on earth should we engage with you about whether or not something is true?
>>78895781
KJV or Douay Rheims lad, some things might be a bit archaic, so it's best to cross reference with another Bible version.
>>78895223
And to you as well.
>>78895755
Fine
Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday
>>78895052
My fiance had visions similar visions and was told to move to Rural Eastern Washington. We are also Post Rapture Tribulation believers so we have been setting money off to the side each payday and preparing supplies. Which tribulation or not has come in handy especially last year with the wildfires.
Though I have this thought thay keeps on entering my head that tells me to keep on my best behavior. Since when the poop hits the fan people will need more help than ever to be guided toward HIS path.
>>78895922
You're a retard.
>>78895948
Thanks. Just looking for a reasonable starting point
>>78895643
>And the difference is the theist proposes an explanation for the truth of that external reality rather than taking it for granted.
You must have been raised at Bible camp if you think theists are the only people focusing on this.
>>78895941
You're right, it's a logical fallacy.
absence of evidence, as with most things that don't exist.
Thanks for admitting it.
>>78896014
Name calling
Have you given up already
I'm sorry your living up psalms 14
>>78895988
>Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday
Category Mistake--Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. Attributing facts of one kind are attributed to another kind. Attributing to one category that which can only be properly attributed to another.
>>78895576
KJV
You can read other translations like ESV or maybe New King James, but if there is something that doesn't seem right, compare it with the KJV, because there are important differences. I really recommend starting with the New Testament.
>>78896130
Using logic
Can't account for logic
>>78896114
No i don't really see the point, go ahead and claim i used ad hominem if it helps you sleep.
>>78896201
I can
What is everyone's thoughts on Sid Roth It's Supernatural show? A lot of his guests seem pretty reliable and keep me on my toes when it comes to researching the bible and events in the world
>>78896040
No worries lad, if you've got any issues, just sing out to Christ/pol/ and we'll give you a hand... just ignore the trolls :) Have a good one m8
>>78896208
I wouldn't say it was an ad hominem, but when an argument goes to name calling it shows the character of the person
>>78896239
Go ahead
>>78895576
Anything but the kjv
>>78896360
Sure thing buddy.
>>78896392
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+logic%3F
>open /pol/
>"being gay isnt bad"
>"its not degenerate to be fugged by man in the same hole i shit"
>"im a gay ubermensch fascist, mad christcucks xd?"
>"christianity more like cuckianity xDD"
what went wrong?
>>78894836
What happened to the Protestant Church?
This wave of Modernism turned us into a bunch of useless wimps.
God meant for us to strive to be perfect and help society as much as we can..
Now all we feel is guilt...
Everyone wants to put us down...
We made the most peaceful and prosperous societies in all of History!!
USA CANADA BRITAIN AUSTRALIA!
Protestants are the most successful sect of Christianity in the world yet the world hates us......
>>78893695
I still think you are reading into those scriptures meanings that aren't there. For eternal life, it can still be eternal if we lose out on it before we ever got it. Even Paul was careful to say he had not yet gotten it. The eternal part is once we have been glorified, then we are immortal. Not before. Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26-27 cover the sin aspect.
There's just too many instances where it is said that people have left the faith or that bad things are in store for those who do not continue. Also too much emphasis on endurance.
>>78879227
I'm always late to the party, damnit.
with all the empty planets out there and the promise that my seed shall be innumerable as the stars...im off to receive my very own planet
>>78896457
I asked you to account for them not define them
what would christian communism look like ?
>>78896564
That is being accountable for them.
>>78896503
>Protestants are the most successful sect of Christianity in the world yet the world hates us.
That's because you're heretics.
Also
>Australia
>Protestant
lel
>>78890701
sorry but I don't see the claim here. can you put it in 1-2 sentence?
Dinosaurs are real.
post the best churches/cathedrals
>>78896519
Hebrews 6 is talking about Luke warm people in the church who haven't put their trust in Christ.
People falling away from the church is best explained by 1 John 2:15
Protestant masterrace
>That glorious feel when you stick it in premarital
>>78896646
I think we have a plurality (I hope that's the correct term) of Catholicism now, but in the past we were VERY Anglican. But we're basically an irreligious/secular country on par with European countries now.
>>78895941
sandnigger script says that there is a god
and salmon said that people that believe in god are good cause they believe in god cause they should believe in god cause god is so awesome, especially right now as he is throbbing around my anal cavities, Jesus is cave explorer pro
been there for 3 days, and i just feel that it is jesus like um u know like when you feel deep down and its fucking god god is real infa 100
>>78896010
you are not going towards his path, my ass can bare only small quantities.Get your fiance some pills.
>>78891406
>Don't fall into the once saved always saved camp.
then explain to me why the thief beside him on the cross (who can no longer make any "good works") got the privilege to enter heaven?
>>78896587
Is logic material, can I give you a cup of it, or can I find it under a rock
Or is it conceptual?
>>78894729
I wish it would be all that simple
>>78892060
then as long as it has physical form?
then explain electricity. does it have "physical" form?
>>78896805
Seconded
>mfw Cuckolics and Orthocucks still think works are needed for salvation
>>78896805
>>78896945
>>78896823
cause he is a hypocrite.he wants the children dead but sends thieves and whores to heaven.retarded commie populist.
>>78896481
Explain why fucking a rectum is different than fucking a uterus when you don't have the intention of creating a child.
>>78896805
If that is how you feel about it, you might need to reexamine your salvation
>>78896073
You're asking about knowledge (proof). You will take for granted that anything can be known, and that you can know it, but you won't extend that basis for belief to anything else.
You're adopting my worldview without adopting the basis on which I have to believe that worldview.
If you want knowledge, accept my theory of knowledge or else devise your own.
>>78896817
Why the hostility and doubt? Are there questions you still have that haven't been answered?
What is your overall goal in this thread?
>>78896945
My country had an 80 year war killing spics just so we could have the right to be protestant.
>>78897021
Sexually frustrated cuckolic detected, shouldn't you be kissing Syrian feet right about now?
>>78897061
One doesn't have shit, for starters
Dinosaurs are real
There is no evidence for the existence of God
Jesus was most likely multiple Jesi
People do not come back from the dead
Mary had sex with a man and thats how she had Jesus
Supernatural things are not real anymore than Gandalf and magic is.
Science answers questions that benefit your life.
The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
Christianity is only 2000 years old by comparison.
Physics and the understanding of advanced mechanics accounts for every instance of what people call "supernatural" and "transcendental"
If you want to become rich invent your own religion.
>>78896817
like I said. Gibberish
>>78897074
OH! I'm on jeopardy
What is axiom?
>>78897200
>I know things because I know things
How convenient.
>>78897143
Yeah the first century Christians had a great life
>>78897257
Not what i said.
>>78896816
Makes sense it used to be Anglican, considering Aussies were English when they arrived.
>>78897301
I "know".
NEW THREAD:
>>78897433
>>78897433
>>78897433
>>78897084
I told the devil to go away and let Jesus inside, but he missed the heart.I feel him being trapped in my shitpipes.Made me cum buckets but that's not why I wanted him, I need to be saved ASAP cuz >>78896010 this guys fiance said that acopalipse is now and that fiance and anon seem to be completely trustworthy and not insane
As I said earlier brother>>78895629
>>78897143
let me guess you read ayn rand and you came here from either /r/thedonald or some ancap sub ? either way it's cancer
>>78897446
No you clearly don't lol.
>>78893232
Not that I'm aware of and no online Bible searches come back with anything. In what context?
>>78897512
So you don't believe in dinosaurs?
>>78897520
Prove it
>>78897143
I agree with what you say. Science and economy does not bring moral codes, consolation, courage, sacrifice, redemption.
Without religion you are left with you greed, lust and emptiness.
And as Greek philosophers had good intuition about the rules of the material world so ancient religions had good intuitions on the functioning of the society.
Was Hitler, Stalin just? Were they efficient? Were they to be followed?
In the nature you are "right" if you survive and replicate. So far religions have survived.
>>78897566
I do, the bible talks about them
>>78894729
/r/im14andthisisdeep
>>78897659
Why? Anyone intelligent can see what i'm talking about.
You want to change epistemology itself or just ignore it and buy that you have a system of thought just as valid. You're deluded, why should i entertain you?
>>78897143
not an argument
bible doesn’t deny dinosaurs
supernatural could be possible
does the bible claim the world is only 6000 years old?
>>78897665
/r/im14andaltrightcontrariandeusvultgetrektcucks
>>78897662
Wait, it does?
that's the fucking bomb.
>>78897757
It never was an argument, it's a statement of facts. I know some sects of religion are more intelligent than others, but most are pretty dumb.
>>78897837
The bohemoth and the leviathan
In the book of Job
>>78896805
>rejoicing in sin
I'm protestant but this is too far boy. Re-read those marriage verses and tell me if you think you're ok doing that.
>>78897919
Those aren't dinosaurs
>>78898083
OSAS isn't a liscence to sin
Romans 6
>>78897919
Yet the Bible still claims the Earth is far newer than when dinosaurs existed. So it just may be that the Bible was partly written with legit historical knowledge but ultimately can be moved on from knowing what we know now.
>>78897661
religion brings that if you don't got you child's dick after a couple days, he has to die.That you can't wear a shirt made out of 2 different fabrics or some shit
the only reason why christianity is alright now is because liberalism and humanism made it their bitch
>So far religions have survived.
Thats cuz poor polaks are too busy with cleaning toilets than to think
>>78898083
>sex is sinful
lol.
>>78897511
I'm sorry you feel that way. I wish to pray for you, let that anger you grasp on lift away. I understand if you don't choose to walk his path today I've been there, even how painful it might be knowing your missing out.
May God's love find you and the devil lose you
>>78898238
*cut
>>78898164
How do you know
>>78898283
Absence of evidence.
>>78897143
>Not having faith
>Thinking Bible and science don't coexist, with addition of flowery songs/poems that you take at face value
Basically, you're saying, "I've never tried any fruit, so therefore strawberries must be awful, apples must be awful, cherries must be awful...
Also, IMPLYING disciples and Jesus had anything to gain by creating Christianity. They suffered and were killed you know, all of them till the end.
>>78898233
Hey the whole world has a sort of dragon mythology, the word dinosaur wasn't used till the1800s
>>78897754
>why should i entertain you?
Exactly! Why should you listen to anything I have to say? What is your theory of knowledge? I know why I should believe you, but you reject my reason. We'll adopt your's, but first you have to tell me.
btw thats my favorite Christ meme
>>78898245
premarital sex is a sin. Why did you even claim to be a Christian, silly?
>>78898368
I have hope, not faith. I hope that things are good, while knowing that reality doesn't always align with my human desires. I'm not deluded and brainwashed.
The bible has been the greatest hindrance to scientific knowledge ever, the only good thing it has done is give some great minds in history the drive to try and answer questions they believed were only offered to them through faith, but many agnostic and atheist scientists since have proven that mindset is illogical.
i don't care about the rest of your nonsense.
>>78898368
Why is Islam not true? Explain it to me. It can't be that hard.
>>78898321
You made an absolute claim, you need proof now,
You didn't say you didn't think they were dinosaurs
Either provide evidence or retract your statement
>>78898474
You're deluded, i believe in epistemology.
You can't just make something up that allows God to fit the picture.
>>78898507
I'm not a christian. I feel sorry for those who can't enjoy sex.
>>78898238
>if you don't got you child's dick after a couple days, he has to die
you what? show me a society based only on liberalism, science, humanism, economy etc
the Soviet Union?
>>78898245
sex is nice, it feels good, you need it, but it is a very strong and destructive force
and it is literally made to make you to have children, lol
because they are small nasty smelling bastards
if sex would be a pain you would seldom breed, that's nature
>>78898617
I know they aren't dinosaurs because there is no evidence that they are.
>>78892726
> How stupid are you?
Well, this is a christian thread, so there's really no limit.
>>78898676
>it is a very strong and destructive force
You're a retard.
>and it is literally made to make you to have children, lol
only biologically
>because they are small nasty smelling bastards
Use protection
>if sex would be a pain you would seldom breed, that's nature
Yet people use it only for pleasure, that serves no biological purpose does it?
>>78898693
You made a knowledge claim again, can you even know anything to be true in your world view
>>78898814
It's not a claim, it's fact.
>>78898861
A fact presuposes truth, can you know anything to be true?
>>78898967
Evidence and proof.
>>78885469
You will realize the reality of God, but because of your stubbornness you will have to realize the reality of Satan first.
>>78898814
This is such a great way to hand wave any criticisms against the ideas you put forward without having to support or explain your own thoughts that atheists should start using it.
>>78898995
This is why nobody takes you seriously.
>>78898988
False, evidence is evidence
Proof only exist in mathematics
>>78898792
> You're a retard
perhaps, but that's ad hominem
> Yet people use it only for pleasure, that serves no biological purpose does it?
sure, but it leads to degeneracy, just look around, the Bible warns about it in several places and I highly value Jews and their books
besides, rubbing your penis yourself brings pleasure too, why do you need a vagina or an arsehole to feel good?
why waste you commodities and time to lure somebody to bed?
>>78899115
There is evidence which is used to postulate and evidence which points to truth.
Proofs exist in mathematics, but proof also has multiple definitions.
>>78899115
Which supports the idea that the Earth is older than the Bible claims it to be.
>>78899043
>78899043
They do, it's called redefining atheism
>>78899138
>perhaps, but that's ad hominem
It was.
>sure, but it leads to degeneracy, just look around, the Bible warns about it in several places and I highly value Jews and their books
*shrug* whatever bud. Sex isn't degenerate, your understanding of it is.
>>78899219
How?
>>78898676
Muslim countries are a great display of what happens when you buy into kike memes and never have a humanist revolution.
People used to lose their hands or get their noses slit off just for premarital sex back in Europe you know
Fucking Jesus attack pharisees for not killing their disobedient kid cause muh Moses said so.Kike memes are no deep and philosophical like Chink or Greek, they are just insane shit mumbled out by some retarded old Jew to his kids 3000 years ago.This is also what they came up with:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofvvb438Ug
>>78899138
Jews also say to wear red thread to fend off demons, and they camp with lemons or some shit
>>78899306
Because there is scientific evidence.
>>78899194
mathematics is just another religion, sure, obviously much more rigorous one, but 2bh axioms are literally pulled out of muh ass
check Tarski paradox, Goedel and shit
>>78899194
Define truth
>>78899439
>mathematics is just another religion
hmmm..
>>78899429
The scientific method is great for what it is used for
But how does one run tests on historical events, we can't put the past under a microscope
>>78899466
Explanations and theories that correctly predict new results from new observations or experiments bring us closer to a true understanding of nature and the rules by which it operates.
>>78899574
We don't, we use secondary evidence and Bayesian analysis.
>>78899627
But in order to make theories about the truth, we have to assume the truth to test said theories,
Your definition of truth is maore pragmatism than truth
>>78899648
But it's not the scientific method
>>78899822
God of the Gap argument is a logical fallacy.
>>78899853
We can't, but it's a lot more reliable than whatever you're trying to pass on me.
>>78883124
i'm First baptist
Glad to see there are baptists on /pol/
>>78899306
Because of carbon dating and the half life of how long it takes unstable atoms to decay. A quantifiable thing that has been verified by people of many of different creeds of cultures who came to the same conclusion.
>>78898626
>i believe in epistemology.
You're taking epistemology for granted. Is your grounds for knowledge that of an evidentialist; do you only believe what you have evidence to believe? If so, what is your evidence that knowledge exists, and further, what is your evidence for knowing you can even know anything?
You want to assume the inductive principle without having a reason for believing the process of induction even leads to truth.
>>78899975
This isn't a minor "gap". It is the basis on which all rational thought, much less discussion, is founded. Either you explain that gap or we are literally not having a discussion. It's gibberish. You probably even agree for as much as you have insisted that I am deluded.
>>78899975
Uses circular reasoning to account for logic, tells me I'm using a logical fallacy
Tell me how I'm using the God of the Gaps
>>78899414
all those rituals are meanigless from the point of view of science yet the have a deep meaning for the performer
I am not shouting: ban science and humanism
I would say mix them and let them discuss. I would say extremism in any direction is dangerous.
Also I know too much religion for your country is bad.
>>78899560
do two line always intersect? by what kind of experiment would you prove it?
it is a language game, probably meaningless lol
>>78900006
Demonstrate how it is reliable
>>78900046
Yep, Reformed or arminian?
>>78898164
dragons =terrible lizzards= dinosaurs
>>78900076
I'm a chemist anon, don't even bother. Before you know it one of them will claim the Earth is only 6000 years old based on the C14 date of diamonds, ignoring background radiation and the fact that you're supposed to K-AR date diamonds.
It's a lot less stress to just use logic instead.
>>78900076
Correct, but to use carbon/Radiometric dating requires knowledge of the original amount of carbon 14 that was in the object
>>78900113
>You're taking epistemology for granted.
lol
>This isn't a minor "gap".
saying i can't know i exist therefore there is god is a logical fallacy, no two ways about it, it's a huge gap in your brain.
>>78900116
>But in order to make theories about the truth, we have to assume the truth to test said theories
We don't.
god of the gap etc etc.
>>78900305
>saying i can't know i exist therefore there is god is a logical fallacy, no two ways about it, it's a huge gap in your brain.
good thing I'm not saying what your strawman is saying.
>>78899822
The truth is in your heart.IF you think that you've been assigned the wrong gender, youve been assigned with the wrong gender
and if feel that within that feminine husk, soul, lies Jesus, giving you warmth, telling you that the end is near, and that Mohammed is a false prophet and Babylon meme, with Angels sitting on the right side of Jesus, within your soul or hear or whatever, telling you to speak gibberish shit aka Angelic language in your Pentium church that mean JESUS IS DA LAWD amin nigga 100% FACTS CAN FOOL ME SATAN IM LADY IM READY
>>78900146
Google.com
Scientists are paid a lot of money to demonstrate it. Ignorance on your part isn't proof.
>>78900358
Can you be wrong?
>>78900358
>We don't.
If we do not assume there is ANY truth the basis for testing whether or not something is true is absurd.
>>78900206
Lmao good logic.
I actually laughed.
>>78900301
Lmao, don't argue about chemistry, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>>78900382
Read the Bible, God made you the way he wanted you made
>>78900361
That's not a strawman.
>>78900421
It's possible
>>78900483
How much carbon 14 is originally in an object when it first exists?
>>78900436
We don't have to assume truth is what i should have said. It's axiom.
>>78900448
we started to use the word dinosaur in the 1800 or something so before they would be called dragons
>>78900567
Not important.
>>78900527
Could you be wrong about everything you claim to know?
>>78900608
uh huh.
>>78900618
I doubt it.
>>78900219
why do you believe in the C14 method?
yeah, the book told me so
> literally a religion
>>78900608
Would explain the universality of dragons and flood mythology
>>78900662
But could you?
>>78900664
The difference between my religion and yours is that mine is repeatable and offers correct conclusions which can be used to answer more questions.
>>78900718
Doubtful.
>>78900694
I'm sure it would.
>>78900759
But you could be schizophrenic in a psychiatric hospital
>>78900874
When you deny the God you know exists, you abandon any chance of knowing anything
>>78900977
I don't deny it.
Where is the proof?
I'm agnostic.
>>78900730
I am not that foolish to bash science. In most cases it works. But it is based partially on trust and authority.
Religion can give you also some results on the behavior of society. Not quantitative but qualitative.
>>78900199
>>i live in Anchorage ,AK
>>i go to Anchorage Baptist Temple
i've ask Pastor Prevo many times do we accept other christians he said the house of god is open to anyone.
i guess that makes us a non-denominational Baptist church.
>>78901015
The proof that you know God exists, is that without him, you create an obsurd world view.
>>78901093
I meant like theology wise, like OSAS etc
