Please convert me pol im a libertarian but everyone i meet calls me edgy and an autist im sick of not being taken seriously please help
>>78866595
Should increased police patrol be present in many/all African American neighborhoods?
>>78867644
yes
>>78867782
And thats because the government is needed for certian tasks. Keeping order is one of them
>>78867644
My libertarian response to that is to just let every grandmother in the hood get a rifle, would this not bring down at least robbery stats?
Libertarianism is ok but it is powerless to prevent degeneracy. That's its main failing.
>>78868021
Libertarians want limited government, not no government. This government will collect taxes to pay for an army to protect the country, a government to make laws and a police force to enforce these laws. Also courts and jurisdiction of course.
The argument is muh roads, not muh police.
>>78868021
Libertarianism =/= anarchy you could reconcile that in a minarchist interpretation of libertarianism
>>78868228
No, not everyone should have a gun.
Could you imagine if everybody did? There would be mass chaos.
Only the licensed and responsible should own firearms
>>78866595
Often times, Libertarians turn into Fascism for some reason.
>>78868443
Thats what im saying, i never said all the kids should have guns but the usually rational elders
>>78868581
Its because giving a communist a pinoche helicopter tour is appealing even though that would be sinking to the same level as a communist
>>78868228
The problem is you think you're a libertarian when in reality you have no idea what it means. Libertarians don't believe it's "everyone for themselves" and "there should be no government"
It just means the top priority of the government and all of it's decisions should be to make sure of one thing: that all men are provided liberty.
It's basically what the founding father's set out for the nation. Liberty and justice for all.
The libertarian hate movement is a meme.
So to answer your question: grandmother's should be granted the liberty, by the government, to protect themselves as they see fit. That would include the right to purchase a gun if they choose to.
As for police - of course they would still exist in a libertarian society.
>>78868581
Also power corrupts
>>78868871
Yeah i totally agree actually
>>78868377
>>78866595
At least you're self aware now.
Libertarianism was invented by the rich to have the poor shill on their behalf.
Congrats on growing up anon.
>>78866595
Do you want your borders being flooded with foreigners who believe in barbaric nonsense and want to rape and pillage?
No?
Then you're not a libertarian. Congratulations.
>>78868871
Lolbertarianism is a meme.
Every one of them are weak on borders and trade, and thus want to sell out the nation state to foreigners who don't give a fuck about your non-aggression bullshit.
You fuckers should be hanged as traitors for aiding the enemy. Literal gate opening pieces of shit should dangle from the walls.
>>78869386
Literally not an argument. you could claim the same thig about any system. I said convert me not have a progressive ego masturbate sesh
>>78866595
Learn to PRAISE KEK (memes be upon him) and maybe he will bless you with repeating digits.
>>78869595
>>78869475
There are closed borders libertarians also as ron paul said "borders keep people out but they can also keep you in" be wary of a protectionist govt
>>78869813
Except not every system demands all regulation on the elite be cut so the people have zero power except their meager wages. A cursory look at the backers of libertarianism says it all. The rich hate having to pay for the right rules, they'd rather just fuck everyone for free. They're also still terrified we could have a Teddry Rooselvelt again who shoves their exploitation right up their crooked asses.
>>78869961
Protectionism worked just fine for over a century in the west. Globalism is an unmitigated disaster. Unchained merchants dictating the course of nations. Globalists are traitors and anyone advocating for such should be considered a literal traitor aiding an enemy.
>>78869979
It cuts regulation on everyone equally so you take the good with the bad my leaf friend and i guess protectionism isnt all bad
>>78870074
>>78869595
A leaf I respect
You're doing KEK's work, my son.
>>78869955
See? Just like that I am blessed.
But you're right, anon. Everyone else can eat shit. You're right.
>>78871023
You are shit tier retarded my buddy remember to tune into john oliver tn
>>78866595
I started to drift away from libertarian leanings when I realized that every action affects other people besides yourself.
>>78866595
It's the opposite of edgy.
If you're libertarian you have to have a very positive yet distorted view of humanity
everyone else realises people are too stupid, greedy and violent to have freedom
>>78871737
This is a given of being alive and a human are you retarded? I asked for a conversion not fucking faceberg politics
>>78871964
Name a good and workable system then that allows a just oppression of everyone what is your perfect utopian idea?
>>78872058
>core lolbertarian principle is "duuuuude just do whatever mannn, as long as it dosent hurt me or others, mannnn"
>i point out everything affects everyone, so that principle goes away
>WOW YOURE A RETARD DUDE HAHA YOU DIDNT EVEN ANSWER FUCK YOU KIKE SHILL
its like lolbertarians don't even try
>>78872603
No its that these small effects are INFINITE and INQUANTIFIABLE and cant be written into legislation you idealistic retard NAME A PERFECT SYSTEM THAT TAKES EVERY FUCKING ACTION OF THE UNIVERSE INTO ACCOUNT
>>78872179
There can't realistically be a utopia.
And giving the stupid and violent free reign to do as they wish will not improve anything for any decent person.
>>78872949
Protip you cant and if you try you are on a fools errand
>>78872964
please name a workable alternative convert me dont list me the flaws of all humans and society
>>78868443
>muh wild west!
>gun ownership on a steady rise in the US
>crime on a steady decline
mfw product of the American education system
>>78872964
>And giving the stupid and violent free reign
>They don't do what they want anyway
>They wouldn't be shot dead by the local millitia in a Libertarian society
And mfw a citizen obediently reciting approved goodthink.
>>78873165
>>78872949
>>78873014
That's the thing you fucking dipshit, there IS no perfect system, you're right. Congratulations. However, that does not mean that libertarianism is the best system out there. Here's a redpill for you, and it can be hard to swallow, since you've been indoctrinated, just like everyone else, to believe it since you were a child: not everyone is equal, and not everyone has the potential to be equal. And before you scream "RAYSIS!" at me because you assumed I meant racially, no. Some trailer trash hick is not equal to Daymond John, is not equal to a farmer, is not equal to a hood rat, is not equal to a fucking housewife from the suburbs of a Midwestern city. People are unequal, and expecting them to all act civilly in a society with lax rules is a futile exercise, because some people are just naturally really fucking dumb and violent.
>>78866595
these bait threads are getting more pathetic by the minute
>>78873874
>not everyone is equal, and not everyone has the potential to be equal
There's not a libertarian on this planet that doesn't believe this already. Equality of outcome is explicitly a socialist/leftist view.
>expecting them to all act civilly
Likewise there's not a single libertarian on the planet that expects this either. That's why you own a gun and make friends with other people who own guns.
tl;dr nice strawman you brainless faggot.
>>78873874
Spoken like a dictator. I may be edgy but i dont want god complex faggots like you running anything. If people are bad they will fail darwinism will still occur. Go back to the drawing board
>>78873914
Go smoke more govt weed pablo
>>78874822
>says lolbertarians already know people arent the same and that they'll act civilly
>immediately goes to talk about how we should all have guns
>because, you know, those people i know wont be civil like the rest of us should totally have a gun too
you are a complete and utter fucking moron
>>78866595
Trunp basically killed the libertarians, they were people that wanted the Republicans to stand what they're supposed to stand for, Trump gave libertarians a reason to come back
>>78874994
>god complex
when did i say *I* should be the one in charge? didn't, did i shithead? didn't think so, but go enjoy running off and giving every retard out there authority and then wondering why your society collapses
>>78875180
>gun control works
t. pot, speaking to a kettle.
>>78875180
who has the guns in your perfect utopia?
>>78875617
your faith in a government comes from your own self faith you imply it every time you claim "only the righteous should have power" kill yourself
>>78866595
Greater government intervention restricting big business's abuses of the environment is necessary, especially considering the fact that pollution threatens all of humankind, and stopping it should thus be in every bodies interest. A libertarian government which favors non action in the lives of everyday people would also advocate non-action when dealing with regulation of pollution on the part of industrial corporations, the likes of which are motivated by profit and nothing else.
>>78875687
brb, blowing down your strawman
>>78866595
>>78875790
>oh fug my narrative is unraveling
>haha kys retard
everybody should be able to have a say in the government, but the people who actually run the place should have stricter requirements beyond being a certain age and a citizen
>>78876016
youve already been bested, i went a step further to insult you dont try to look all logical and the victor
>>78875823
this is a good point but may i remind you it was the private tesla that popularized a clean option not the government pushed volt, the private industry may be 5 years behind on the environment but inevitably they give the people what they want and the people dont want environmental doom either
>>78876675
you got BTFO every step of the way and try to claim you won? o i am laffin, lolbertarians in action, folks
>>78876858
literally false
>>78876858
you dont care though im sure you can mental gymnastic yourself into being the victor
>>78867644
More police where there is more crime regardless of race. I know nigs do most of the crime but also low class spics and whites.
basically what it boils down to is that brown people fundamentally will vote for more leftist statism in order to get gibs and don't really care about non aggression principles
>>78866595
>Wants to be less edgy
>Comes to /pol/ and asks for the redpill
Kek
>>78877186
kekd
>>78876821
Nobody wants environmental doom, but if corporate entities can continue their unsustainable practices they will, regardless of public opinion, as long as they can turn a larger profit. While some corporations engineer more environmental products (ie automobiles), the focus of corporate entities is almost never on cleaner production. Long story short, consumers want environmental cars, but are mostly indifferent about environmental car factories and waste disposal. There are more environmentally safe ways to manufacture things and dispose of waste, but a corporation bent on self service will always choose the cheapest method regardless of environmental impact. Government restrictions of big business are necessary to enforce ethical and conservation minded treatment of the environment in my eyes, because no corporation should be expected to regulate its self based on the fickle demands of the consumer.
