Explain this meme fags.
Which jobs are being automated exactly? How many human jobs is this costing? I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere and don't know anyone who has met one.
It's retarded bullshit, just means that we won't need as many immigrants. Thank god.
Self service tills is one
People like to drive and build things
people will get angry and bored when they can't do that
That leads to unrest
not to mention basic income will have to be a thing in 20 years or so
http://www.economist.com/node/21661017
Transportation (think on a harbor) within 5-10 years.
Public transportation within 10-20 years.
For example.
>>78747452
call centers, grocery checkout. there might be more but those are the only two I can think of.
>>78747452
Average Canadacuck can't understand things.
You do imagine anthropomorphic robots doing 'human' jobs don't you?
Automation involves ANY machine. The majority of the ancient jobs are already done by some kind of computer/machine/automated operator (eg farmers).
The majority of today's jobs will be automated by the end of the century.
Cashiers are disappearing like basic accountants, consumer help services, waiters.
Bank tellers disappeared when the ATM was invented. The bank tellers of today are much more complicated jobs.
Computer generated sounds completely reformed the music industry.
High frequency security trading account of more then 50% of daily trades on the world's stock markets.
>>78748012
>>78747938
Nothing of value. Call me when lawyers doctors, craftsmen and engineers become automated
>>78747452
>I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere
you live in leafistan
robots are inside factories, of course you wont see them, but they made almost everything you have
I make them for a living
There is no sweeter satisfaction than implementing a machine that can do the equivalent of 20 workers work for the cost of just one
>>78748159
I thought Chinese slaves made everything I have
>>78747452
The coors brewery in eden NC uses automanous robotic forklifts. And Amazon uses a lot. Self check out will become more popular as old people die off or it's forced by nessacity
when you think about how fuckhuge retail used to be 10 years ago and now small it is now, I guess you could add retail even though it's an ongoing process.
>>78748244
>he thinks there are still people in china
>>78747452
>automation
Robotic assembly lines
Customer/Online ordering interface
Automated cars
Remote drone delivery systems
Interfaced Customer Service
Automated/scripted financial trading
Data Entry
Robotic security guards
Muh 15 dollar minimum wage is going to be irrelevant in the future. You're either too stupid to earn higher or you're a useless dead weight on society.
>>78748157
The thing is once self-learning machines are generalized, the algorithms could be used to automate any task. The technological singularity is coming in your lifetime.
Hi I'm Bob and I make pipes to length with 30 other guys in a big machine shop with a forge and a few casting areas.
Ten years later
Hi I'm Bob and I make spiral pipe in any size you want with 8 guys and a computerized forming press and welder. We have a cnc mill for fittings and a masterwelder on hand plus a few unskilled sheet metal guys for a roller.
30 years later.
Hi I'm Bob and I push the start button in a warehouse with customer orders created online, handled by robot forklifts, and shipped by an automated system. One team handles all robot servicing in a 500 mile radius and our network techs are all off site with installation and repair contracted locally. What used to be 300 people is now 70 experts we barely pay because jobs are scarce. As we create more legacy systems the skill needed goes down and the skilled techs are forced to take lower level jobs or fight for a handful of supervisor slots.
Wow, some real idiots in this thread. Public transportation? Point of sale services? Technical support? Really? You think the thing that's going to be automated are the jobs that exist specifically to give a company a public face?
It's manufacturing jobs that are being automated (i.e. what used to make up the majority of the economy, but is shrinking every day). Agricultural and shipping too but most of those were already lost to mechanization.
>>78747452
>leaf
>I haven't seen any robots anywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=libw1rV2McY
sage
>>78749037
>theyll never get rid of customer service
Why would you wait for Pajeet on the other side of the line to be ready with his mangled English when you can order things online or find out about new offers sent directly to your feed or emails?
>>78749188
> Assembly lines
wow this shit has been happening since the 19th Century. Why are you fags so against technological progress?
>>78749307
Most people are technologically illiterate they still need some low IQ "customer service" to spell things out for them in a human voice. That being said, the millennials will be just fine in this regard.
>>78747452
>I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere
you won't "see" then coming, giblet brains... for therein lies the very subterfuge of the inevitable take-over, muttonbag
>>78747452
Mostly male jobs will be lost.
>>78748157
>
>Nothing of value. Call me when lawyers doctors, craftsmen and engineers become automated
A supercomputer based on Watson has been hired by several law firms as a legal consultant.
Doctors do almost everything with computers now. For blood tests, you feed it into a machine and the computer spits out results in minutes.
Most craft work is easier and faster than ever before. And now we have 3D printers.
We don't need that many engineers in the economy. That's why so many of them have trouble finding a job. Nanobots can already build and program themselves.
>>78747452
Machines will replace every fucking leaf by 2025. Machines will be true majority...
>>78749390
Nobody is against technological progress, but jobs are being automated to a greater degree and it is already impacting the economy. You've never seen a robot take someone's non-factory job? Visit your nearest local supermarket and use a self-checkout.
>>78747452
Ever used a self checkout in a store?...
>>78749773
I've never seen a self-checkout in groceries or fast-food joints yet. The only place I've seen them so far was IKEA and I just went over to the regular human checkout man because this was new and uncomfortable to me.
>>78748244
The Chinese slaves operate robots
>>78749773
And? Humans can concentrate on developing the fields computers can't handle or monitoring technological systems; and because automation increases productivity, the new allocation of resources creates more value, which is then distributed to humans.
And if one day, there is no task that humans can handle better than computers, then we won't be in a position to do anything about it anyway.
>>78747452
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/06/17/the-amazing-artificial-intelligence-we-were-promised-is-coming-finally/
In the past 3 years we have had more advanced in AI than in the past 30 years.
Its happening. Prepare your anus for hard metallic robotic cock.
>>78749703
The heamotological tests are still predominantly done by a tech of some sort, but in time biotech will replace alot of in house testing. Just not in the immediate future
>>78750165
The problem is that humans think linearly.
Change happens exponentially.
I suspect if Kurzweil continues to be right, that we will have human intelligent AI by 2029.
At the time it will cost millions if not billions to run a human equivalent AI, but with exponential returns we will see an AI cheap enough to replace the average worker shortly thereafter.
Eventually even scientists and engineers will be replaced and the robots will design, repair, and upgrade themselves.
By then you should hope we are allowed to vote for communism or socialism because everyone will be out of work.
This will most likely be by 2045.
It might not matter to me then as long as we have social security and the markets haven't crashed because no one can afford anything the robots make, but well... We never know.
Can someone tell me what the fuck is going to happen to us? The obvious thing is no more cheap labour immigrants right? Easy enough we can live with that.
So what happens when the lowest classes can't have jobs at all? They Guaranteed income?
What happens to our culture, social dynamics when this happens? It's scary to think about.
>>78750814
((Ray)) is generally right but fucks up timelines on a regular basis. his detractors though are retards because they don't look at converging technologies, instead they pick one area and think it'll stay on that trend forever.
>>78749543
God the Singularity will be great, Hope I'm here to see it.
>>78751273
I don't know.
What happens to the 6 million truck drivers when Google Car AI becomes better than them?
It doesn't have to be that good actually. Just kill less than 40,000 people per year.
Not a very high bar.
So what will we do with 6 million truck drivers (not to mention all those cab drivers)?
They all aren't smart enough to go back to school to become robot engineers.
Even the fast food people are being replaced by robots and touch screens.
I will make a Ray prediction.
In the next 5 years you will be able to go into McDonalds or Burger king and order your food with a smart phone. Only the cooks will be needed. Eventually in 10 years they will be replaced by automated ovens.
>>78747452
Have you seen a self-check at a supermarket? An electronic order tab in a cafe? A self-driving car? An automated phone reply service? Very few robots will look like they do in scifi.
>>78747671
>basic income
Resources are not and will never be free. Take your r-selected bullshit elsewhere.
>>78748157
Legal research is a being done by computers now. It's a big reason why law is becoming a progressively shittier career and legal jobs are drying up. Also IBM's Watson (aka the AI that kicked ass on Jeopardy) is starting to get involved in medicine. Watson in the next 10 years is going to have a huge effect on medical jobs.
>>78752880
Imagine a libertarian singularity utopia.
You basically own your land, have access to water and solar.
You live in a life support virtual reality setup similar to the Matrix.
You AI does everything for you. Earn income. Keeps you alive.
Creates the fantasy universe for you to live in while you have as much simulated sex or violence as you want. Its nanobots keep you alive for centuries if not more and deals with problems like asteroid impacts etc.
Your virtual reality will be free for the most part since the AI programs everything for free for you.
You can simulate 1890's economics if you want to play an oil baron though.
The greatest example I can give you is the tractor. Men once harvested food. Now a tractor will drive down the field and harvest.
Read the grapes of wrath.
For a modern example how about the pick and place machine? Once electronic components were placed on circuit boards by hand Now a machine does it.
Ok you think for a living and could never be replaced right?
They have programs not that will design your circuit traces for you. It's called autorouting. I worked for a company designing satellites in aerospace. We sub contracted out a board to BAE engineering. Board can back obviously autorouted. Some complained to the distinguished engineer. He said fuck it. We'll accept it.
>>78747452
>Which jobs are being automated exactly?
90% manual labour
10% data entry
Remember, if you're job is automated it's necessarily something repetitious and simple enough that a computer algorithm suffices. Anything that requires intuition, social skills, creativity and basically anything that can't be formulated or demonstrated to someone, not in person, but in writing and still leads to perfect results.. all that is simply not automatable.
Lastly, the singularity is a lie. When even Alain de Button believes it's possible to write a perfect human level intelligence you know there's an issue. Everything AI is perfectly reliant on pre existing intelligence, even in sci fi, BSG: Caprica poses that the first human cylon is actually a complete copy of its creator, even star trek the implied reason for Data having a soul is that he has the memories and personal experiences of the colony that created him... who are then later killed thus making him their best representation.
I'll stick around.
>>78753544
I don't know. Relying on Sci-Fi fiction to whether or not we will have self improving AI is a bit of a stretch.
Most scifi in the 1980's never came up with the idea of the smart phone. So I don't think scifi is the greatest predictor of technological advances (though STNG did have something similar to the iPad and came up with the idea of the Borg).
But the point is... If you can create an AI smart as humans... Humans can improve technology so why not an AI with the same intelligence as a human.
Unless you say humans can't improve technology. Then well...
>>78747452
Automation will replace repetitive low quality jobs.
In america we have a vast service economy and a good chunk of those jobs can be automated.
Expect a lot of trial and error. But inevitably expect a decent amount of jobs to become automated.
>>78752880
Sorry bub, the only way to prevent America from becoming a criminal wasteland is to placate the unemployable masses. Better to have basic income than a country-wide Detroit; or even worse, having to migrate to less technologically advance countries for work. Not even Trump can conjure such irony.
That being said, I am looking forward to the Singularity and welcome our new robot overlords.
>>78753544
You don't understand self-learning algorithms. They aren't rigid.
>>78753897
>I don't know. Relying on Sci-Fi fiction to whether or not we will have self improving AI is a bit of a stretch.
It's a good indication of the human imagination, many times science imitates art, art is a necessary motivation.
>But the point is... If you can create an AI smart as humans... Humans can improve technology so why not an AI with the same intelligence as a human.
My point is you can't. Even "weak" AI is just pre-existing human knowledge prescribed to a machine, the machine doesn't have any knowledge of its own, it's simply a means of recording procedural memories and then being lucky enough to have a button to test its application.
>Unless you say humans can't improve technology. Then well...
If you accept what I'm saying, humans first need to improve themselves.
If we were capable of accessing all the data from a human and thus create a "best representation" good enough to trick the entire universe after the original is destroyed, it would not be possible to improve it as then it would cease to be a best representation.
The real question no one except the theist with a computer engineering degree wants to ask is how can a computer have a soul, if individual souls even exist. I really do believe the only solution isn't silicon computing, but biological computing we're only just starting to grasp as a reality.
And no, path finding mould is not impressive, no more than leaves that detect sunlight.
>>78754466
No u.
Take your ad hominem and random buzzword spouting and fuck off, they're not "self learning", they're either neural networks or genetic algorithms. Even Google's "deep" learning is just a buzzword for an incredibly general genetic neural network.
These systems require billions of examples with solutions to work and still asymptote at only 80% correctness, in contrast a young child can learn from less than 10 examples and achieve correctness in the high 90s. The illusion here is created by the fact computers can process quickly.
>>78748244
Inside each robot there is a tiny chinese person
>>78754799
Humans did not need to modify their genetics to improve. They improved their knowledge and data.
Same with human level AI. They just need more knowledge and they can improve technology better just like humans do.
>>78754799
Weird my post got deleted, but I was just saying that humans did not have to improve their genetics to improve technology. They just had to improve their knowledge and the amount of data they had.
Some with human level AI. They just need more knowledge to improve.
Then they can build better AI.
>>78748898
Hey, my name is Bob too!
Let's fuck!
>>78754799
The human brain inherits so many connections necessary to learn quickly, analogously we can preload the algorithm with these presumptive connections. Once you get into complex thought humans don't have the mental capacity while AI will be able to easily solve these problems which is where technological singularity will take off.
>Take your ad hominem
There was no ad hom in my post
>and fuck off
practice what you preach
These algorithms are self-learning by definition. They can play scenarios extremely fast and learn quickly. All we need to do is create a generic self-learning algorithm that uses sensory input from the physical world. For example to understand language and see objects. Combine those inputs with a self-learning algorithm to achieve some output which completes a task and you have crude self-learning AI.
>>78750761
I'm a lab tech now and it's getting more and more automated by the year. Getting into dentistry soon, it's a lot harder to automate that, there's too much subjectivity involved.
>>78747452
A lot of the same jobs that bernie wants to double the wage of
>>78755894
do you know anything about machine learning and AI beyond TED videos?
>>78756050
Do you have an argument to make or do you just want to poison the well?
>>78755944
I think the question is not "Will my job be automated?", but rather "Will my job be automated last?
take a good look at Detroit , "the motor capital of the world". that's automation = the death of a nation.
>>78747452
I don't care until I get my low price robo-waifu.
>>78749703
>We don't need that many engineers in the economy. That's why so many of them have trouble finding a job.
lol
>>78756204
>These algorithms are self-learning by definition
Precisely what algorithms are you talking about?
>They can play scenarios extremely fast and learn quickly.
You realise most of this is regression and not even close to anything you could consider a general intelligence
>For example to understand language and see objects
These already exist and did not lead to a boom in general intelligence of computers
To be honest your whole post stinks of a lack of comprehension of the application of software to solve complex problems
>>78755071
>Humans did not need to modify their genetics to improve. They improved their knowledge and data.
>Same with human level AI. They just need more knowledge and they can improve technology better just like humans do.
No, there is no human level AI and it'll be till the literal end of civilisation until there is. That's my point.
Human level AI is power over life, death and existence stuff. It's the GUT of computing.
>>78755506
I don't think so and by improving themselves I literally meant their understanding of consciousness, identity and the soul. I actually don't believe an atheist is capable of conceptualizing the human level AI because they have such a poor conception of all the aforementioned.
>>78755894
>The human brain inherits so many connections necessary to learn quickly,
It's more than that, neurons literally edit their own genetic information. It's connections AND unique information.
>while AI will be able to easily solve these problems which is where technological singularity will take off.
Again, AI is only capable of solving already solved problems, the solution must already be known or have a massive solution space. Those "self learning" algorithms (this is how I know you are talking out your ass, use the key term genetic algorithms) absolutely require solutions to pre-exist. Computers suck at anything except the illusion of originality.
>These algorithms are self-learning by definition.
No, they're advanced regression and pattern recognition algorithms. Nothing is truly learned.
>For example to understand language and see objects.
This is where the contemporary philosophy of humanity lacks. Define "understand."
The tasks these algorithms can perform necessarily have to be either trained or prescribed as I aforementioned. If trained, solutions and problems are required thus turning the real problem into a data gathering exercise. The illusion is that computers process this data fast. Why else do you think you're filling in captchas?
Warehouse sector is already losing jobs like a motherfucker because of this.
Finland is going to be one of the test beds for automation, and this shit is happening very fast.
http://www.still-trukit.fi/jarjestelmat/automaatio/use_cases/
Here's one of these things at work, no humans needed to drive it around or pick up stuff.
If you hold some kind of a manual job that involves warehouse sector, consider it lost during the next 5 years.
At least the largest warehouse chains here have said that 2020 they intend on being fully automated.
Customer service in fast food joints is going to disappear, you're going to be ordering via a screen, so there's another thing.
Also medical field is getting heavily automated.
Transportation is a big goal for automation, but we need those self driving cars first.
What's very important, is the fact that even if humans aren't totally replaced by bots, the speed of the jobs is going to get a lot faster and the work is going to require way less manpower.
Pic related.
You're not going to need people hammering down those stones one at a time.
Just have couple of guys arrange them and the job is going to be completed a lot faster.
So better rev up those careers that involve creative thinking, or you're going to be unemployed in the next 20 years.
>>78756284
Thankfully dentistry is scheduled to be one of the very last to go
>>78747452
>accounting and book keeping
>database shit
>software up keep
>any manufacturing shit
>>78756957
This post requires attention.
Mechanical engineers are automating more than computer engineers are. In the end automation is simply cleverer ways of doing anything and if you're worried about job loss, destroy all that heavy machinery, don't even bother with shovels, hire thousands of people and equip them with spoons to excavate.
>>78757090
Medical fields will never be truly automated, nor command/leadership, nor engineering, nor anything that requires you to get a bachelor level degree.
The real fear luddites have is that there's nothing for stupids to do and they'll only receive the bear minimum. These people are actually the pathological altruists too scared to realise natural social eugenics is the way forward: smart people deserve extra success and incentives from society. Intelligence must be the goal of humanity.
I'm looking forward to the day when we don't need so many working class people
They should increase the minimum wage to $15-20 everywhere to speed up the inevitable process where low productivity people are replaced by robots.
>>78749703
>We don't need that many engineers in the economy. That's why so many of them have trouble finding a job.
its the opposite, almost all countries are suffering a lack of engineers and scientist, who do you think designs technology?, your mom?
>>78757511
when the robot waifus reach japan can you send me one please? ;_;
>>78747452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWFjS3Ci7A
>>78757511
They'll still exist though.
>>78757536
The barriers engineers face in employment are artificial: diversity policies, internship requirements, home projects, extreme competition and outsourcing.
Feminists took one prejudiced look at the engineering stereotype and decided everything about it needed to change. Thus, no more white men. Most IT/eng employees are Asian of some sort, despite half of the graduates being white, and females find jobs twice as easily as men. It's so obvious that STEM employment problems are as artificial as arguments about the singularity.
>>78756943
Huh. I don't understand. AI's don't need to have a soul to matter.
They simply have to do the work that humans can do and then its the end game.
Google AI car doesn't have to not kill people, it simply has to kill less than 40,000 people a year in the USA and it will be the replacement.
>>78757842
don't remind me that, I lived some experiences where females where included in projects and they do nothing and project managers seems to be affraid of talking rude to them and the only little task they do has to be redone because they did it wrong.
WHO WILL DO THE SHITPOSTING?
TAY? CAN TAY REALLY REPLACE LEAFS AND AUSTRALIANS?
>>78756943
>this is how I know you are talking out your ass, use the key term genetic algorithms
genetic algorithms are just one classification of algorithms which induce self-learning
>No, they're advanced regression and pattern recognition algorithms. Nothing is truly learned.
You can learn things already known by humanity. You are conflating learning with innovating.
Good point on the technological singularity though.
>>78753897
>Sci-Fi fiction
>Science-Fiction fiction
>>78747452
>I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere and don't know anyone who has met one.
and i haven't seen any fucking jobs anywhere, fuck my life
>>78758693
lol,fresco parse.
>>78757946
But to actually achieve the job, instead of piecemeal solutions that absolutely require specialisation and therefore can't do "all" the work humans can do, you need to perfectly replicate the human mind.
This posses questions like what makes a mind special? What is it about consciousness that allows self correction and intuition? Even "self learning" general genetic algorithms with "weak" AI in the code to better perform a select task will come to solutions so close that a human will intuitively know the next step, but a machine is just as inclined to go in the opposite direction.
Lastly, I'm kind of surprised self driving AI wasn't invented earlier. Driving is actually a very repetitive, monotonous activity. Drive defensively, always plan for the worst and the likelihood of having even a minor accident is negligible.
I think the main opposition here isn't the algorithm, but data gathering. This is why cars in free roam computer games are pretty decent, especially from the Mafia: KoH games, but why real life self driving sucks.
>>78758335
I have a feeling the whole "everyone must be included" thing will step aside soon. It's becoming a little too ridiculous.
>>78758412
>genetic algorithms are just one classification of algorithms which induce self-learning
No, it's just more buzzwords. What you're talking about is so simple, yet so effective, that it's created a sort of mysticism surrounding it which gives rise to Hegelian style dialectics: lots of meaningless words.
>You can learn things already known by humanity. You are conflating learning with innovating.
Which is the opposition of human level AI. It's why it's life and death stuff.
When we actually have this the absolute first thing we'll do is try to recreate a human mind, and then we're faced with the question about its consciousness. If you believe the almost prophetic implications of BSG, failure to find a (philosophical) solution will mean the complete destruction of humanity.
>>78757410
The biggest problems with the medical field are paperwork and diagnosing, computers can now do both. Pretty much any job that requires paperwork, looking at you law and accounting, will be minimally staffed. As the lower level jobs decrease, the need for leadership and command will diminish. Engineering jobs will be paired human/computer teams, not engineering think tanks.
The main thing with automation is that it will be cheaper and make less mistakes. Sure, most jobs won't be fully automated, but that doesn't mean that those jobs wont be impacted. Good luck being paid half today's salary to sit around waiting to be useful.
>>78759193
the only automation task I'm affraid are military ones, every time i see the fucking atlas from boston dynamics running I start trembling.
>>78758947
We don't have to worry about the AI, but the creators intention or failure to account for something during the process of learning which creates some catastrophe.
Is there any AI with an innate fear of death or other basic human instincts?
Most of innovation is driven by fear of death/will to survive, or wanting to get laid.
Somebody build a cowardly robot with a boner.
>>78759193
>The biggest problems with the medical field are paperwork and diagnosing, computers can now do both.
Paperwork, yes. Data entry is a repetitive monotonous job that necessarily creates the sort of people who occasionally "lose" data if it suits them, like the woman who "lost" my thesis project results and reenrolled me into a course I had already finished only days before she officially resigned.
Computers, on the other hand, don't make such biased mistakes. They're not capable of bigotry.
Diagnosis is still safe, as I said, only 80% correctness and otherwise you wouldn't want to trust a machine outright. Oncologists can use neural network AIs to give an indication of cancer through a variety of metrics, but only an irresponsible one would completely rely on it.
>Pretty much any job that requires paperwork, looking at you law and accounting,
That's actually about the interpretation of law in order to be relevant to the contemporary age.
>The main thing with automation is that it will be cheaper and make less mistakes.
Agreed.
>Good luck being paid half today's salary to sit around waiting to be useful.
I literally enjoy programming, which is why think it's the height of unfairness people who likely don't are prioritised before me for employment.
That's the advantage of jobs you're trained to do, as you become better and more skilled the job becomes almost artisan like and your motivation isn't so much for a wage but more so to excel at what you do best. With free market incentives, a person could feel fulfilment through advancement in their career.
Whereas jobs that requires no real skill, the kind that are automated, are almost always devoid of this self satisfaction. The exceptions here are carpentry or anything similar.
>>78759428
This is true.
Engineering can go south fairly easily, which is why it's so irresponsible to choose employees based on irrelevant characteristics like race or gender rather than merit.
>>78759421
Did you know that a drone can track you, and drop bombs on you, from so high up, that you can't see it on a clear day? Imagine, being turned into pink mist by an enemy you never knew was hunting you.
Mijo, you are afraid of the wrong thing.
>>78747535
This, a lot of it is food processing and really shit tier assembly work, that would previously have been done by spics or niggers doing their stint of work before going back on unemployment.
The higher end jobs that are getting "automated" often keep a fair number of people and train them to maintain and monitor the new equipment too.
>>78760236
Lol. Wrong on all counts.
You fail to grasp the main issue with automation in professional jobs. Automation won't replace humans, you are safe to write shitty code all you want. Automation will make training and honing your skills mostly unnecessary. Doctors and layers and coders will no longer need to fix the problems, just carry on from where the computer left off. Holly knowledge won't be so difficult to acquire when you have supercomputers doing all the data gathering. I've never coded in my life, but I'll still take your job with a sufficiently smart computer.
As for self satisfaction, I bet you love it when your mother's basement fills with the smell of your own farts. Low skilled jobs are almost always fulfilling, because humility is always a head clearing kick in the head, and you don't need to feel important to be happy.
>>78762121
People want comfy jobs, creative jobs. Repetition is a nuisance. All of the repetitive tasks of jobs will be automated, this is a good thing. Consumers will always demand innovative products, and humans are needed for that, so that is where the jobs will be.
>>78747452
>? I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere and don't know anyone who has met one.
solid logic, can't argue with that
i've never experienced it so it must not be happening
never change retard /pol/, i feel like I'm getting stupider just by browsing this board with you faggots
>>78760372
Warfare will always be unpleasant. This is why we typically avoid it in capitalistic societies to the point it doesn't even matter if capitalism itself lead to peace or if the advancement of military technology led to capitalism.
This is what Marxists don't want you to know, capitalism is actually a very peaceful system. The main source of conflict isn't violent, but intellectual.
>>78760532
Again, they'll still exist, much to the chagrin of pathologically altruistic socialists who'd rather see everyone suffer than people that it might actually be a good idea if they're less attractive in our society, less likely to reproduce, less likely to have more than one child.
Instead the same people impose this on the intellectually intimidating, whom they over correct in their minds with a stereotype so atrocious they become disadvantaged.
>>78762121
>You fail to grasp the main issue with automation in professional jobs. Automation won't replace humans, you are safe to write shitty code all you want.
Just until someone realises I'm writing shitty code and then my job is no longer safe.
>Doctors and layers and coders will no longer need to fix the problems, just carry on from where the computer left off.
I'm amused, how do you expect artificial intelligence to benefit lawyers besides Google algorithms to find a certain legal precedence faster than pouring over books? The fact that research is easier doesn't necessarily mean the researchers will become poorer, in fact it means they have more access to information.
>I've never coded in my life,
It shows...
>Low skilled jobs are almost always fulfilling, because humility is always a head clearing kick in the head, and you don't need to feel important to be happy.
I'd love to see you cite a philosopher who share that slave morality.
>>78760372
>Mijo, you are afraid of the wrong thing.
>hur durr drones
not all military work can be done by drones thats why DARPA is spending tons of money on projects like big dog and atlas.
Self checkout isn't automation. It's just the customer acting as a cashier and bagger.
Automation would be self driving buses, not a bus that you get on and one of the passengers is driving.
>>78747452
I work in mining.
the mine my grandpa, uncles and aunt used to work at used to employ 3500 people. Now it uses 300 people to ship more ore. The difference is equipment, larger machines.
just one example, I'm sure automotive and other industries have seen similar advances. I've met robots. I've met machines that work by remote control. They're amazing but they put people out of work.
The automation argument ignores the unwillingness to change.
My supermarket did completely manual stock counts on paper until a few years ago, despite hand-held terminals existing.
They finally implemented hand-held terminals, but only in a limited capacity and kept paper for other tasks they could have covered, but still had the counts done manually, despite competitors automating it years ago.
Finally, this year, they decided to automate the stock counts, but the redundant manual counts are still done.
If an automated solution to a human labour task is invented, it won't be adopted when it is cheaper than humans, it will be adopted when someone can be bothered and will only be phased in over a fairly long period of time.
>>78762718
I never mentioned AI, and how does arguing in 4chan show you can code at all? Since when is this a philosophical debate? You are grasping at straws. You are an angry cunt trying to talk down to people who are making more sense than you.
And to answer your question: If 90% of your job isn't research, then you are just a basic bitch. For any professional job, being knowledgeable is the most important thing employers want. It doesn't matter that you can close your eyes and type code, while Mozart plays in the background; all that matters is that you can do what actually important people tell you to do.
Lastly, lol again. You need to validate your life through what philosophers say. I'll be over here enjoying the weekend after a week's hard, unskilled, work.
>>78747452
>Look at all those people working in agriculture.
Oh.
>Look at all those people working at processed food factories.
Oh.
>Look at all those people working in car factories.
Oh.
>Look at all those people working in the spaghetti factory.
Oh.
>Look at all those people working in the alcohol factory.
Oh.
>Look at all those people working in "pick any automated factory" job.
Oh.
>>78748157
it's been mentioned, but law is ripe for automation.
So much is about finding precedence (similar previous cases). Think of how easy an algorithm can read the text of previous cases and spit out the relevant ones to be reviewed by human.
Previously a human would be reading through reams of old cases.
>>78747452
i work on the docks in LA/dong beach. the dock jews want robots to unload ships and move the containers around in the yard. a couple yards have automated but they're slow and crash occasionally. they're not as efficient as we are but long term they won't have to pay for health insurance etc and that make their horns grow. fucking jews. i have at least 20 years before they break my union though.
>>78747452
it's a future tech ya dingus,
>>78747452
>I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere
That's because you didn't work in no factories, retard. Even the shittiest bread factory (in canada) I worked at, had robotic arms in packaging.
>>78764153
There will always be holdouts when it comes to technology. Nothing wrong with that. Man made things will always have niche appeal and plenty of people will gladly pay more for something a skilled human made. But you don't need a full scale, apocalyptic change to fuck up society. Last I heard, Detroit has less than 10% unemployment rate.
So this just happened.
>>78764484
>I never mentioned AI, and how does arguing in 4chan show you can code at all?
After applying for triple digit number of jobs, eventually two of the jobs made me take IQ tests. I found this extremely offensive, not because I didn't do well (I did) but because I felt I did so unfairly well due to my deeper interest in CE/CS and the philosophy surrounding it.
Learning logic, not from an argumentative point of view in philosophy but from the cold, rational, objectivist view in CE changes you and how you think. When you herp and derp about what computing can and can't do, then inevitably demonstrate your ignorance, it's just so obvious even to the /g/ kiddy who learned python.
I digress, you're a notably poor human.
>And to answer your question: If 90% of your job isn't research, then you are just a basic bitch.
90%? No I think you are the basic bitch, at best it should be refresher of what you learned in university.
>It doesn't matter that you can close your eyes and type code, while Mozart plays in the background;
Nice straw man, do you actually think assuming I listen to Mozart discredits me? Remember goyim, listening to classical makes you a bad person.
>all that matters is that you can do what actually important people tell you to do.
What a senseless vaguary, are you trying to appeal to some sort of authoritarianism? You'd be a bad programmer if you tried, individualism is the mark of innovative people.
>Lastly, lol again. You need to validate your life through what philosophers say. I'll be over here enjoying the weekend after a week's hard, unskilled, work.
It's more so that what you wrote was just so contrary to anyone except a halfwit Marxist or SJW that it's just implied wrong. See >>78762676 you were blown out and that guy barely even tried, because that's some slave morality shit you're spewing.
If this isn't a debate, it's barely a conversation either. I don't know what it is besides replying out politeness.
>>78764916
This guy knows whats up. The only reason places like China and India are competitive with manufacturing is because the cost per hour for semi-skilled labor is so cheap. Humans cannot compete with robots or machines doing packing, or stacking.
Making shit in the US or Canada is expensive because of the shitty customer service, no one wants to make less then 2 million an order.
I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.
I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.
I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.
>>78764916
Machine arms on conveyor belts have existed for decades. Those aren't proper robots.
>>78765450
>CE
>IQ tests
>Research should just be Refresher
>"individualism is the mark of innovative people"
>SJW
Now I know you are just a teenager trying to sound smart. Come back when you know what earning something feels like.
>>78766280
When you're done projecting and feel like reevaluating my posts, you'll realise not only do I have the fortune of earning something, I have the unfortunate position of watching it be squandered.
>>78765888
You don't need "proper robots", you just need a machine to do work better than humans do. That's what automation means, machines doing work humans do to such an extent that it actually changes what it means to be productive.
>>78747452
>tfw automation engineer
>tfw studies show that literally the happiest people on the planet
>tfw only thing in life that annoys me is people thinking they are experts, leftists and anarchists
Literally every new factory and house has a shit ton of automation.
>>78765888
New lines of these "machine arms" have become pretty damn impressive. They are able to do delicate work with incredible speed and precision.
That, and automation is a shitload of things besides robots.
>>78747452
Nobody should shit themselves until we have fully self replicating machines, which is where we are superior as humans. If physics/engineering/etc was as commonplace as shop class used to be, we'd have kids maintaining machines for sport and revolutionizing the dated ones as they become more conscious of their needs. Yeah machine jobs probably won't make as many new fields as it would consume but advancement of the human race is honestly disgustingly retarded by undermining these incredible resources
>>78765888
oh yes they are.
manufacturing robots are inherently different from the AI/force controlled humanoid nonsense you are thinking about.
The big difference is precision and speed.
On a factory floor with the fixtures and mfg cell designed to work with the arm, the arm can fly. Why would you ever want to use some sort of human clone arm in this situation when everything can be very well defined in position and size.
Not only is your soft/squishy humanoid arm going to be expensive as hell (basically experimental), but it is going to be dog slow.
Everything comes down to cost. Yes you can manufacture cost effectivly in the US, but you have to have enough volume that you can pay for the automation engineers to create the robotics cells and have a safe long stable product life.
In china, you get people. Easy to train. reasonable speed. low up-front cost. highly reconfigurable/flexible 'automation'. Quality - depends what you pay for. Apple hires Foxcon - to hit the high quality they use people standing behind the people actually doing the work to do the quality control.
>>78747452
WHO / WHAT IS OP's PIC-RELATED PLEASE !!
Would really like to know.
Sorry for inconvince.
Please.
>Also,
>RailRoading.
>Rail roading Industry is super huge on wanting to get more & more automated to make it cheaper
