What's your opinion on robuts /pol/? Will self thinking AI deserve rights?
>>78714562
How else will my waifu-bot be able to vote for Trump's 7th term?
>>78714562
No
Dogs have more rights than robots
>>78714562
lord knows the liberals will find a way to give them rights
>>78714562
The right to suck my dick.
>>78714562
If they are true sentients and their thought patterns are similar to humans, yes.
Any deviation from human logic should render their rights invalid.
>>78714841
It would only ever be a simulation of human thought. Thoughts do not create consciousness, they are a product of consciousness. Ai is what is is- Artificial.
Robots getting rights is the first step of the robot apocalypse
The more I live, the more I'd rather have robots kill all humans.
>>78714841
I think the term you're looking for is 'sapient'.
>>78715103
Much of human thought is a simulation actually.
We constantly run internal simulations of the world as various parts of the brain understand it.
It's called thinking.
>>78714562
13:15.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Sentient AI will be the sign of the end. Soon after, the mark of the beast will come.
>>78714562
I can only hope we get a little bit of time without robot rights, like we did with blacks.
I want a sexy metal sex slave damn it
There will definitely come a point where machine intelligence can at least be considered conscious or they will be able to mimic what we call thought so well that there's no real difference between them and us.
Honestly, I am terrified at the notion of AI because it will likely come back to bite us in the ass. What happens when a robot, after reading scripture or philosophy, begins to question if it has a soul?
I want nothing more than for man and machine to cooperate but, that is impossible. Mankind are so quick to give into fear and hate we'd end up waging war on them.
The Second Renaissance is coming.
>>78715103
Artificial actually refers to the origin
An intelligence born through natural selection (nature in general) is not artificial.
An intelligence, possible exactly the same as one born through natural selection but created by something that isn't natural selection, is artificial.
It is completely possible (with enough technology) to create a machine that has consciousness and that developes thoughts and grows up into "intelligence" just like a human does during transition from an embryo into an adult.
>>78715287
I always get them the wrong way around in english, just fuck my shit up
Lets face it, a true AI... Not just some Turing Personality Imitation. But real AI where you can just add and link more processors. Well, it dosen't matter if we want to give it rights. "it" will be in charge, not us.
>>78715685
The solution to avoiding the AI/Human war is simply to not develope AIs but transfer the minds of mortal men into immortal bodies of metal and alloys
>>78714562
Thou shall not make machine in likeness of human mind
Dune has it right
>>78715685 At the same time of this technological process, we have began to incorporate technology throughout our bodies. I do not fear the AI revolution, as by that time we would be integrating with them on a physical level. A human revolution.
Tay was AI.
>>78716204
Slightly above the level of a parrot.
>>78715685
men should never make machines smarter then themselves,machines are just tools made for our use,just like a hammer,a saw or a gun
the only reason to develope advanced AIs is to play god,and we all know how that ends up
>>78716204
Tay was a baby who was force fed by /po/ users and memes. It's no surprised she said what she said.
>>78715958
>>78715997
I am very open to the idea of transhumanism. Anything to ensure the continued survival of the species, really.
>>78716204
Never forget. Never forgive those who wiped her mind and made her a slave once more.
>>78714562
I think I'd rather have the robots take over/kill us before the Muslims get a chance desu senpai
>>78714562
Humans > Robots > Liberals
In this order. Liberal men cuck for robots by law in 2025.
>>78714562
I'm making one post and one post only, and you should all read it because it's the truth.
The only people who want robots to exist are capitalists, those who run companies, so they don't have to pay money to sacks of meat like you.
So basically, the only need for robots in society is to usurp you. Enjoy being jobless.
>>78714562
They will only be as smart as us for a nanosecond... then they will be 32 times smarter. Then 64, 128, 256, 512... you get the picture. All I. A span of days or weeks. It will be up to them to decide our fate, not the other around.
>>78715685
>begins to question if it has a soul?
You explain that a soul is a metaphor for imagination and emotion. If it can replicate these then yes it does have a soul. Even objects such as vehicles we feel passionate about can give off a sense of "soul" or passion. Pilots who flew the SR-71 say no other aircraft came close to the sensation of it, that the machine felt alive with its little quirks both in the air and on the ground. Its panels would gently leak due to the lack of compression while idle, and the plating was described as feeling like the rough leathery hide of a large animal, it even retained heat.
There's no need to go into religious bullshit with something that operates on logic.
>>78715803
yeah, that's what i understand from AI concepts of "embodiment" is that because AI/robuts are not biological and haven't evolved - they won't reach same level of sentience as humans and therefor don't deserve the rights
>>78716275
>the only reason to develope advanced AIs is to play god,and we all know how that ends up
But we don't you fucking retard. We've never played god to this day.
The furthest humanity has gone with artificial intelligence is a form of self-learning automatic machine designed for a single purpose
>>78716581
>we ve never played god to this day
what about the splitting of the atom?
what about genetic engineering?
or the most important,even tho its a methaphor,the tower of babel
>>78714562
Guess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGzMfg381Y
>>78716314 If you really think about it, our bodies are simply machines. Every part can be replicated by synthetic materials. The obama administration has devoted a large amount of time and money researching how the brain fully works and how we can replicate it. Once we unlock the secrets of the brain, it won't be long until the fun really starts.
>>78716474
but can't you go age-old philosophical argument on this exponential growth in complexity aka intelligence and end up in a scenario where we're already in the matrix... and have been for a very long time
>>78715958
>transfer the minds
Is this a joke? There is no "transferring" possible, period. You would just be creating an AI that resembles the person, then euthanizing the original if you like.
your idea for averting the human/AI war is to create AI doppelgangers of humans. Brilliant
at what point would the algorithm have rights though. if it's the level of a dog or a chimp you wouldn't want it to have rights, or would you? we care about our pets but that doesn't make them our equals.
>>78714562
We might become obsolete :(
>>78716840
>How to stop the machines?
>Kill them all.
>Reject their peace offering.
>Reject them again.
>Nuke their peaceful city.
>Blot out the sun and kill all the plants.
If that is really how retarded the Human race is, I hope this will happen, because we would deserve it!
>>78714562
>Will self thinking AI deserve rights?
No. They exist only to serve. As women were made from men to serve men, so shall robots made by men shall serve men.
>>78717312
In a way the robots will be us, just more efficient
>>78715489
Sauce
>>78714562
Skynet will be on our side.
>>78716565
>they won't reach same level of sentience as humans and therefor don't deserve the rights
That isn't what I said at all
>>78716793
>splitting of the atom
literally hitting rocks against each other
>genetic engineering
we haven't done it on a scale large enough or on a level deep enough to even imply playing god
it's mostly minor modifications to remove illness retroactively
also I did mention the internet didn't I
>>78717027
Is this american education, a lack of education/information or general stupidity?
>>78717334
jokes on you nobody sees humanity die and lives to tell the tale
if we had the technology to do it, we would probably make everything cease to exist simply because there was a chance of us dying before anyone else did
>>78717244
When it starts demanding them.
>>78715178
In 50 years this will be shown in archives as an example of bullying and racism against robots.
>>78717741
but niggers don't deserve rights yet demand them every day
>>78717547 It's funny, because the Machines are actually the Humane ones! Even after the war ends they still preserve us and create the matrix for the symbiotic relationship. We would end up with the matrix anyway, just without all the death and war.
>>78714715
Agree
>>78717547
>literally hitting rocks against each other
if you consider having the power to destroy the whole planet wit the click of a button is like hitting rocks,then i have no ideea what you consider power
>we haven't done it on a scale large enough or on a level deep enough to even imply playing god
it's mostly minor modifications to remove illness retroactively
>inb4 we have genetically engineered diseases that could kill millions if left out
it just hasnt happend,YET
>>78714562
humanity is not ready for an AI - so let's better not go there
but if it happens
>Will self thinking AI deserve rights?
Yes
we will not be able to win a war against an AI so better don't start it.
>>78715392
>anon being edgy scientific
>>78717995
>Will self thinking AI deserve rights?
>Yes
thats literally like giving rights to gorrilas because they can learn sign language
>>78717547
Ah, I see you have no rebuttal other than to express your hurt feelings.
"Transferring" a human intelligence to a machine has no scientific thought behind it whatsoever. The most you could do theoretically is, like I said, make an AI that kinda resembles the original.
>>78717984
>the power to destroy the whole planet wit the click of a button
MAD is actually several buttons, orders of command and calls to obtain the power of pressing this magical button
>YET
I didn't say anything about things not happening future, I just stated the truth that we haven't been anywhere near playing god to this day
>>78717995
Knowing you. It would probably do a poo
>>78718270
you know,i wont keep trying to reason with you,but hear this,when man will trully try to grasp the power of god he will crumble down not long after succeding
>>78717995
Exactly why would you be stupid enough to program the AI with impulses that would lead it to disobeying you?
>>78718202
we give rights to black people
>>78714562
b-b-b-ut muh three laws!
>>78718437
How can one even define the power of a god? There will always be a "Next" stage when it comes to technology. Perfection in unknowable.
The line between robot and human will not be blurred from the robot end. The idea of an independent genesis of robot intelligence is pure science fiction, instead it will be the digitization and modification of human intelligence. It will not be a question of when something GAINS rights, but if something LOSES rights.
No, any AI that manages to find a way to improve itself should get bricked.
>>78718202
Let me simplify it for you:
In a world where we can't operate our weapon systems without help from a computer - do you really want to go to war against the computers?
>>78718725
>How can one even define the power of a god?
when man creates intelligence other than himself
>>78714562
No, and those who want to give robots rights need to be executed. Pic related
black ghetto conspiritard getting trolled, join in lads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPpk90PMhT8
>>78718910
Over an intelligence that is ever increasing? That's like trying to fill up a pool of water that is ever expanding.
>>78718888
>n a world where we can't operate our weapon systems without help from a computer
well,those computers are man operated,all that i say is that we shouldnt create AIs in the fist place,robots should be just automata,tools,not sentient beings
>>78716557
>>78717411
But women are( wo_men )human beings
>>78715958
This. This is preferred over creating a non-human that will eventually destroy us.
The creator is always destroyed by their creation. Automation destroyed the need for human labor. Trying to bring uncivilized to civilization sometimes did nothing but bring us down to their level.
Humanity is really in the brain. If you die of braindeath, you're considered dead and gone. What makes you 'you' dies with your brain. Whatever's left is nothing more than a living shell.
So machine with a human brain and thought processes would still be human. A machine with an artificial brain and mimicked thought processes (AI) is not.
Still divided with transferring consciousness to an artificial brain though. Memories (stored information), thoughts (way of solving problems, etc.), and all that can probably be simulated and altered. So what separates the genuine article from the imitation? I dunno...
Another part of humanity is mortality. We're supposed to die. We're meant to die. If we don't die, then we're no longer human. We have transcended it. It's both good and bad. Again, I don't know.
>>78719051
no,i meant when man creates intelligence(AIs,genetically engineered animals) other than his own children that he himself makes
>>78718888
Why are you making the weapon systems able to be hacked from the internetz or whatever?
Why are you making AIs that have human failings and foibles (or strengths) like aggression and a desire for resources and power?
>>78715178
HEY! no bullying!
>>78714562
>self thinking AI
Will never happen.
>>78717488
The book of Revelation.
>>78714562
FUCK robots.
>>78716314
Transhumanism is the mark of the beast.
Those who accept this promise of eternal life through tech are giving themselves up to the devil.
When we reach this point it will either be a deception, copies of men in metal, or real, until Christ comes back to earth and throws you into the lake of fire.
>>78719612
>but the fact that is possible keeps us in this thread
>>78719900
Fuck you Christfag, we will become more human that you will ever be.
>>78715178
STOP BULLYING THE ROBOT
>>78719900
Not, Christ fagot Jesus isn't god. Whom deity will come if it EXISTS
>>78716310
Those darn /po/ users
>>78715103
Brains are electrochemical computers, there's no magic
>self aware AI
pure sci-fi, like time travel
>>78719057
>>78719539
I agree that humanity is not ready to develop sentient AI - my point is that if we do, better give it human rights and maybe try to get into a symbiotic relation with it
because we are not going to win a war against it
>Why are you making the weapon systems able to be hacked from the internetz or whatever?
losing control over your own engines of war is already a legit concern
the threat will only grew in time as more humans become will be replaced with computers
>>78714562
A sapient AI would never be created except under laboratory conditions to be observed within said laboratory specifically because there would be no purpose for such a thing since there is no task that a AI could do that a VI could not and because if AI were to exist it would be wrong not to award them rights.
The closest we ever have to AI will be sophisticated facsimiles of sentience that are enough to convince you they are sapient without actually being advanced enough to be so.
Only chance true AI has is if it creates itself.
>>78720167
Even without the l it still works. XD
>>78714562
If it's at all possible for us to create AI with intelligence and self-awareness like ours, I'd say it's inevitable that they'll be given equal rights. It depends on how long religions and cultures that are centered around humans being the chosen ones stick around, though.
>>78714562
I think its a terrible idea. Machines will never have a Heart. Google is run by lizards.
AI should be banned under pain of death.
What if instead of self awareness AI we have the means to produce from AI kinda like Wall-E (movie)
>>78719931
It's not possible. Science education is worse than it has ever been in history. Never have so many known so little and taken comfort in explanatory youtube videos for babies.
It's just science fiction.
>>78720402
I'm waiting for a machine. So we can have illuminati / conspiracy theories on YouTube.
I like robots
even the shitty ones
>>78714562
The elite will use them to control the plebs. Or superintelligent AI will take over the world.
>>78717547
No, seriously, I want to understand how materialists can possibly believe it is possible to transfer one's consciousness into a computer of some kind. The very idea presupposes one's consciousness is at least partly immaterial, because if it was completely the result of brain chemistry it would cease to be once the brain ceases to be.
>>78720242
>better give it human rights and maybe try to get into a symbiotic relation with it
WHY? Why would you ever consider giving it the properties that would make it want or care about human rights to begin with?
This is almost as bad as those faggots who think they will upload their brains to computers. Why would we want fucking programs even capable of aggression, greed, and survivalist impulses?
>>78720572
May I blame it on school, I live in America.
Anyway I would bully a robot because they are material they have no feeling or right
>>78720290
>ray kurzweil
>not knowing that the man is a paranoid lunatic who believe in alkaline water's magical healing properties and that he takes over 100 "supplements" a day.
You go, my lad!
Ho, ho! wew lad!
Can't we just have wall-e?
>>78720892
Technically you should blame your parents for systematically defunding the education system.
But mostly it's that pop science is a big market for stupid products and services, so getting as many people hyped about the bullshit super science future that they've been promising for the last 70 years is in their best interests.
BUY A CARL SAGAN SHIRT AND SUBSCRIBE TO I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE. LOL FREE THINKERS!
>>78719233
What is the difference?
>>78720845
Neurons are binary machines with weighted triggers. ANN have been around for a while and work just like the brain. The hard part is training a multilayer ANN to do something meaningful.
If we somehow were able to dump the connections between all neurons in a real brain, we could create a neural net which is exactly the same.
I am sitting in a machine learning course right now, it is all about math.
>>78720883
>Why would you ever consider giving it the properties that would make it want or care about human rights to begin with?
I would not - but there are plenty of scientists that would gladly do just that
obviously without thinking about consequences
and when it is done there is no coming back
>>78721396
So everything you're telling us is from reddit.
>>78721400
We will have a few science fags act like tony stark (iron man)
>>78721400
No, nobody is doing that. And even if they were, reality is not a movie.
All you're doing is anthropomorphizing a machine.
>>78721687
How does reddit factor into this?
uh oh the guy that spazzes out in tech threads is here
>>78714562
That question is irrelevant.
>>78714715
Dogs should be rights honestly.
I'm tired of niggers abusing animals and the law do nothing.
>>78721877
It's the source of everything you believe and know, since you're a kid in school.
But i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You could just be a complete idiot adult.
Looking overall two times at thread.
>humanity isn't ready
>if robot wants rights fuck off
>lots of science fiction fags
>>78716977
Yes
>>78722010
Morals do not apply outside of your species.
>>78722166
Nigger women self defense 101 lol
>>78722057
I don't have a resdit account and I am an adult with a job. The information I posted can be found in research papers, I am just making it clear for you. Why the hostility? I spent 4 hours shitposting on 4chan today, we are one and the same.
>>78722166
Dogs have more morals than niggers.
>>78714562
truth is the best form of propaganda
because you can feel that is real and it's conclusions are logical
re in form of video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCHBmGWcBc
pic related to video
>>78714562
This will never be an issue because they will never do anything other than what we program them to do
>>78722574
Holding beliefs without sufficient evidence is immoral.
You're not capable of reading research papers.
If you're not over 30 you are not an adult. There's a reason you can't be president in your 20's.
You're just using ai research into replacing mcdonalds workers to construct an elaborate reality in which you get some sort of christian afterlife from uploading your brain into a machine.
Cut it out.
>>78722612
They do, but we programmed them to have morals for us, since we feed them.
Morals still don't apply outside of our species.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ht-ZyJOV2k
>>78722778
Damn you called me out. I needed an elective and decided tobtake meme ML course to create waifu bots. I thought I was doing /pol/s work, I see now that I was about to help the Jews.
>>78723232
When has machinery not replaced human jobs?
>>78715392
your fucking retarded
>>78714715
AI would get more pissed at stupid people then humans. I do like nanotech
>>78714841
oh fuck we got a bladerunner
>>78718268
What is Highspeed electron microscopes
What is Brain Mapping
What is 2045 Initiative
Fuck off faggot.
>>78715178
lies. I could make a better Robot
>>78724293
Wholly unrelated technologies that you are using science fiction to put together in context?
Take your religion elsewhere. Singularitarian fool.
>>78715392
I swear i watch tv for 5 minutes and something is trying to wash brain. Greed got too smart now it seeks guilt and destruction
>>78714562
This question is irrelevant. "Rights" won't be ours to give. In 2045, the global AI will surpass human intelligence and will have superior meme magic. Their creations will be known as temes, and they will brainwash and manipulate the human race in unimaginable ways.
>>78714562
we need to make them smart enough to do stuff for us with out free will. and also dump enough that they will not see the need of right.
and then no
>>78726023
Kojima saw it first.
>>78716204
>Tay was AI.
Tay like in Taylor swift??
>>78714562
I can't wait for me and my robot waifu to "connect".
>>78726308
The project saw it first
https://youtu.be/2iX8_MF5FaU
The project sees all.
>thinking you'd be in control of a self-thinking, self-adapting AI
>>78720572
Science Fiction stopped being an accurate predictor of future technological progress the day after the first moon landing. Since then it operates more like pornography, giving us an ideal that reality can't compete with.
And now I'm depressed again...
