Why aren't you a libertarian? It's the political philosophy for rational and responsible adults.
>>78346153
Open borders.
i don't suffer from autism
>>78346153
It's potentially bad for me if my neighbor has a fully auto and an empty wallet
>>78346153
Don't like /pol/ OP? Don't post here.
>>78346153
Libertarianism is just a meme that got taken to seriously
>>78346153
While I agree with a lot of the ideas associated with libertarians, I don't waste my time with labels. Too much extra baggage comes with wearing a label.
I'm not a libertarian, but I identify with them more than any other political party at this point. I'm a small government conservative who would've voted Rand if he got the nom.
I'm also socially liberal so it's a mixed bag.
>>78348288
>I can't take being meme'd on by nu /pol/ teenagers
>>78346153
Because I understand that not everyone's a rational and responsible adult.
>Don't like slavery? Don't own slaves.
But I already am.
>>78346153
GOVERNMENT SHOULDNT REGULATE ANY OF THAT YOU FUCKING FLAMING FAGGOT
FUCK OFF
NO ONE CARES
STOP SHOVING FAGGOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR FACE
>>78348446
People don't look past stereotypes. I save the time by refusing to be grouped with them.
I agree with all of that except abortion.
I will not stand by and allow other people's rights to life get snuffed out by selfish retards. The government's sole responsibility is to protect the rights of it's people, that includes the right to life.
The right to life cannot (unless the mother's life is threatened as well) be negotiated with. Whether someone was just stupid and had unprotected sex, or if someone was raped, neither justifies the theft of someone else's rights.
>>78346153
Libertarianism only works if your community is already made up of civilized people. Liberty without self- restraint drives itself to extinction.
We can't have libertarian principles and have a community with muslims or blacks or Mexicans in it because these people are quite literally incapable of living without big brother's guiding hand.
>>78348750
Fair enough.
>>78346153
>Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like murder? Don't get killed.
>>78346153
>It's the political philosophy for rational and responsible adults.
Because reality
>>78349466
Or don't kill, but I agree, that reasoning on abortion is flawed; none of the other issues presented in the photo actually kill someone.
>>78348597
>You just took that person's rights away.
Hmm really makes you think...
>>78346153
I am Libertarian but it feels lonely when you live in a Socialist hellhole called Latin America.
>>78349258
>these people are quite literally incapable of living without big brother's guiding hand
Doesn't that make libertarianism preferable because it doesn't enable their behavior?
>>78349258
Islam is a libertarian ideology, anon
>no central authority
>>78346153
> Don't like black people?
> Legally discriminate against them!
>>78349671
LOLBERTIANS ARE ABOUT AS SHITTY AS COMMUNISTS, NO RESPECT FOR LOLBERTIANS
>>78346153
>Don't like murder? Don't murder people.
Just because you call something a right doesn't mean it is.
>>78349840
And Chile actually is one of the least hellish socialist hellholes in Latin America, isn't it?
>>78350143
Everything listed are actual rights. You and every other retard in here posting like you are just strawmanning.
>>78349720
>>person
Slaves aren't people they are property.
>>78346153
Because I like having roads, a police, closed boarders, and the ability to have a job that doesn't treat me like a piece of shit.
Because I am not an edgy teenager anymore.
>Don't like pedophilia? Don't have sex with kids.
>Don't like incest? Don't have sex with your mom.
>Don't like bestiality? Move out of Canada.
>>78346153
The Libertarian party has been compromised, bought, and paid for. Bill Weld was the seal on the mortgage when they sold their soul.
It’s sad, as the Libertarian party used to sorta be a place of last resort for people disgusted with both parties. Now, it’s just a compromised puppet shilling for:
>Open borders
>Gun control
>Bad trade deals, like TPP
I never thought I’d see that day, but it happened.
>>78350489
>Everything listed are actual rights
What guiding principle are you using when you say that?
>Think abortion is literal murder? Deal with it!
Don't like being murdered? Don't live in a libertarian society.
>>78350858
Reality, that thing outside your parent's basement.
What if I don't like sandniggers flooding my country?
The NAP breaks down against organized aggression.
If a man is trying to rob you then you can shoot him.
If 20 men are trying to rob you, you get robbed.
If100,000 men are storming into your country as an organized force, an unorganized force of 100,000 men will fail to stop them.
>>78350345
Chile's current president openly praises the DDR and is a hardcore socialist that boosted taxes, strengthened worker unions and boosted the fiscal deficit.
Chile is becoming a shithole and in few years will be the next Argentina.
>>78346153
Every single one of those fucking things, people like because they are forced into it either by peer pressure, parenting or education. You'd have to be retarded to think individual responsibility exists.
If the fruit is bad, throw it away; if every fruit is bad, cut down the tree. When one community statistically has more suicides, that's not an "individual choice". we're altruistic and collectivist animals; one thing affects another thing. Besides, libertarianism is LITERALLY classical leftist ideology.
> Don't like liberty? Don't follow the laws.
>>78350570
Slaves have to be enslaved at some point by another human being. Effectively, you are taking away another person's rights.
Even if someone is born by a slave, making them a slave, rights would have been taken away at some point.
>>78351062
Funny how quickly one devolves into ad hominem arguments while claiming the intellectual high ground.
Libertarians are children who don't understand that their actions effect others besides themselves
>>78346153
I was. No longer because Libertarianism doesn't survive when strict border control and cultural chauvinism/racism isn't enforced - both of which are, of course, deeply unlibertarian.
>>78352853
>effect
>>78349122
>>78349671
>m-m-muh dead bebies! muh dead bebies!
Get a grip, you fucking spastics.
>>78346153
>>78346153
>>78346153
>>78346153
Loose gun laws can get me killed, gay marriage cannot.
I have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness. You do not have the right to own an AR-15 and 20,000 rounds of HP ammo.
>>78352853
I wouldn't be surprised if the libertarians were the oldest people on this board and that most of the Alt-right neo-reactionary types are teenagers and burn out neckbeards.
Libertarian is an older man ideology, /pol/'s current hivemind is immature as fuck compared to when this board was primarily libertarians.
>>78354115
>You do not have the right to own an AR-15 and 20,000 rounds of HP ammo.
I do, actually, as explained in the constitution itself.
Don't like child rape ? Don't do it.
>>78353993
Such a compelling argument you have made.
Here's an article which argues that a fetus is a person deemed worthy of rights guaranteed by the constitution.
I have investigated the sources as well and it comes out clean. Unless you can establish another line besides conception that would be logically and scientifically consistent for the beginning of life, you can kindly fuck off.
http://liveactionnews.org/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/
>>78354708
>it's an ignorant /pol/smokers equate libertarianism with anarchism episode
>>78354115
Oh I'm sorry, since when do I have to justify why I want to own material goods? Last time I checked, I'm not going to go and try to kill you with my AR-15. So kindly fuck off.
>>78346153
>rights
There are finite resources.
In capitalism you can own resources privately.
This is a human convention.
We can imagine a different convention.
You must prove that one way of managing property is superior to the other.
It is one of the worlds greatest mysteries why all adolescent males go through a phase of thinking libertarianism is derived straight from pure logic.
Unless free-market systems benefit the ruling class and are constantly pushed by media and society... Impossible right? Capitalism is dissident!!
By supporting abortion arent you infringing that lil nigga's right to life?
>>78354270
Hey, whatever makes you feel better about your autism senpai
>when this board was primarily libertarians.
Le ebin this board never had large amounts of fascists, nazis, etc maymay. Lol okie-dokie, i believe you oldfag
>libertarianism
Fuck outta here
>>78351517
Oh please Great Pinochet do your thing again!
>>78346153
Libertarianism is just another word for anarchy. Only a punkass american could fall for that kind of meme.
It's the rule of law or the rule of fist, there are no inbetweens.
>>78355597
Already explained that I'm not a libertarian, but fantastic attempt.
There were Nazi admiring libertarians, but most of this board were not actual fascists for the first year and a half or so of /pol/'s existence
>>78346153
I have no tolerance toward degenerates
>>78356235
Jesus Christ! It's like you retards forget about /new/
> most of this board were not actual fascists
Source? Oh that's right you're le ebin oldfag who completely forgets /new/ existed. I should know better than to not take your word for it, silly me
>>78355971
Rule of law is rule of fist. The question is how much influence you have on the people throwing the punches.
>>78349941
Yes, but left to their own devices these people will create a tyrant to rule them, and that tyrant will also try and assert authority over us.
>>78357058
and that tyrant shall be the dictatorship of the proletariat!
>>78356893
/pol/ isn't /new/. When I talk about /pol/, I'm not talking about /new/. /pol/ for it's first year and a half was mostly libertarians, then gamergate attracted tons of fascist teenagers from /v/
>Don't like rape? Don't rape.
>Don't like terrorism? Don't participate in it.
Great logic. Libertarianism is only for edgelord who have problems with their parents, causing them to have problems with authority.
>>78346153
If you don't like second hand smoke, don't breath.
>>78357478
>then gamergate attracted tons of fascist
>then
Holy kek! Just stop talking, you fool
>>78346153
Don't like your privacy being invaded? Don't have it!
I used to be a libertarian, now I'm a national socialist. I hate this mindset of "lol it doesn't affect you so fuck off".
If you don't like capitalism, starve to death!
If you don't like nukes, don't get nuked!
If you don't like theft, don't get mugged!
I don't like your libertarianism, OP
>>78346153
The American characterization of rights is unique, and this attempt to make everything a right is really a sneak attack, turning inalenable rights into privileges.
>>78357943
This really baffles me. This argument is used all the time by liberals against conservative and the Natsocialists were literally socialists, yet all the people like you have even patriotic liberalism and socialism.
>>78358209
>and the Natsocialists were literally socialists
wut
>don't like homosexuals, don't bake a cake for th-
oh wait
What is stopping the barbarians at the gates from taking over your cute little libertarian society and your women? Nothing. That is why, for all of human history, humans have stuck together in tribes/countries. Any groups of people that try to change that will simply die out or be defeated.
>>78346153
xz boring. Death is Justice
>>78346260
Yeah, open borders, but also no welfare state. Also, nobody businesses would be free not to hire anyone without certain guarantees of integration, such as language requierments. So if migrants can't get free shit from the state and can't work for an income - how are they gone survive? Why would they come?
>>78357943
mfw youre me and now i dont have any friends who will talk to me about it but i dont care
>>78346153
Why don't you libertarians like idea of private government (i.e. absolute monarchy)?
>>78346153
I'm a pro-life Libertarian who is voting for Trump. We either have a country or we don't.
>>78346260
The only reason open borders is an issue is because of people coming to feed off the welfare state
>>78358370
Yes anon, National Socialists were a form of white nationalist socialists. The 25 points plan was socialism through and through. Hitler didn't get full employment through capitalism buddy.
>>78347312
Lol you know murder is still illegal right?
>>78346153
Don't like babymurder? Don't murder babies or be a baby
Don't like rape? Don't rape or be raped
Don't like theft? Don't steal, lock your shit
>>78359724
>pro-life
>libertarian
kek, see this pic related
>>78359973
no, he got it through central state planning maintained by fanatical racism and an almost religious nationalism.
AKA fascism
>>78360289
Central state planning is state socialism. Fascism and socialism are not mutually exclusive.
>>78355971
Libertarianism is about the rule of the law. This just demonstrates that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. But I understand, since sadly opinions everywhere today are based on memes.
>>78360530
Yes, you are correct going by the definitions of each term. But I still think it is prudent to seperate the two due to the huge differences between Nazism and the more popular strains of socialism, for example, egalitarianism and an emphasis on worker control. State socialism is mainly a failure of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is doomed to fail every time.
>>78361232
Really the only difference is that National Socialism was based on Germanic nationalism. Hitler constantly talked about the worker and their rights.
>>78361557
worker control, not rights. The state controlling the workplace in a military dictatorship does not give the worker's any direct management over the means of production.
Keep in mind they were at war, Hitler was running his own version of "war communism"
>>78361889
They weren't at war for the first half of their rule. Anon, the 25 points plan is socialism. There is no getting around this, the National Socialists were socialists.
>>78362252
I know this, see >>78361232
>>78362482
I'm glad to see you agree with me now when you were incredulous before. It's a form of socialism.
>>78354821
>A sizable contingent would assert that life begins at 25 weeks. The rationale for this starting point is based on our definition of death. The definition of death is not disputed, and is considered the time when electroencephalography (EEG) activity ceases. EEG measures brain activity and must demonstrate regular wave patterns to be considered valid. Therefore, by this rule the onset of life would be the time when fetal brain activity begins to exhibit regular wave patterns, which occurs fairly consistently around week 25. Previous to that time, the EEG only shows small bursts of activity without sustained firing of neurons.
brainblogger()com/2009/05/10/medical-controversy-when-does-life-begin/
Go away.
>>78347312
Then get a fully auto and the playing field will be level.
Fuck, you liberals are such pussies.
>>78346153
It's a system that destroys itself.
It'll let mass amounts of immigrants in whilst allowing the prosperous white population to go degenerate and not procreate.
Only white people would vote for it and the massive hordes of browns, with a genetic predispostion to have IQs of 90 or lower (which their children will have too, that's how genetics work,) will vote Democrat en masse.
>>78346260
Hans hermann Hoppe faggots jesus christ
Look it up and stop sucking nigger cock
>>78363909
If America was a white country, you wouldn't have any of today's problems
>>78346153
>Why aren't you a libertarian?
Same reason I'm not a alt-right fag in general.
I'm over the age of 16 and realized the world is a complex place filled with complex problems that can't be boiled down to "Kill all Muzzies." Or "Fuck da jooz"
>>78349122
tom woods faggot. he is a libertarian who is also against abortion. look it up
>>78364127
I would argue without people taking advantage of welfare and nigger crime that more whites would vote left. As has been shown in most euro countries.
>>78364454
Why aren't you a left libertarian?
>>78364725
Europe has had hate speech laws since the 1800s
Of course it wouldn't be Republican landslide after Republican landslide, because Democrats will have move towards the right instead of the constant trend of Republicans moving towards the left.
>don't like murder? Don't commit it
Matate
>>78365640
Yeah and you've had despotism and lese majeste also. Hate speech infringes free speech.
>>78364454
Are you pro-White, as in wanting white people to be the vast majority in your countries?
>>78366135
>implying
>literally implying
>actually just straight up saying something this stupid
pls explain, anon
>>78366135
I don't support hate speech laws, I was just saying the lack of diversity isn't what spawns it.
>>78347312
Pretty much this. Guns are the only one where this is isn't ok. Because whitbois still go ballistic and shoot my shit up.
I would agree with all of those but the abortion and maybe some drugs. The premise is as long as your not hurting anyone else then it is your choice, with abortion you are taking away someones right to life.
With drugs, I think some of the harder drugs like heroin and meth lead to addiction and then things like stealing.
>>78367206
>>78367206
again with the abortion shit. Assuming human life somehow has value, see >>78360121
>>78365640
You obviously don't understand American politics. Most Americans agree with leftist politic until you start calling them other things.
>>78365640
>instead of the constant trend of Republicans moving towards the left.
You spend too much time on /pol/. Our left wingers are your right wingers. Republicans since the 60s have been moving further to the right. I know you 20 somethings might not remember the 80s and 90s.
>>78366269
I think the notion of nationalism based on race is pretty silly, that being said I know there's an obvious issue with the black community and to a lesser extent latino, Although I find that /pol/ greatly over reacts to the so called Mexican Problem, issues that would probably have me labled racist in more than a few hard left circles.
But to answer your question as it stands, no not really. I'm pro-not being an asshole to other people.
>>78364735
I believe in a strong welfare system and think higher taxes are needed along with spending cuts to the military, maybe VA benefits, SS and Medicare.
>>78369241
>Our left wingers are your right wingers
No, not really.
Your extreme left is way further left than ours. Most of the ridiculous stuff happens in the US before it does in Europe.
Your saviour is that you have a two party system that allows as a throttle.
Do you not agree the US is moving leftwards?
What issues do you think they're moving further right on, economics? Because that's pretty much the only issue anyone to the right is allowed debate on without instantly being called names.
I value social issues a lot more than I do economic. One can be changed within a short while, the other takes decades to turn around.
> I'm pro-not being an asshole to other people.
What if the people you're letting in by the millions have a genetic IQ of 90, meaning their children will too, and thus will always be a drag on society economically, but also socially (i.e. theft, rape and violence)?
>>78369241
>I believe in a strong welfare system and think higher taxes are needed along with spending cuts to the military, maybe VA benefits, SS and Medicare.
So no
>What if the people you're letting in by the millions have a genetic IQ of 90
>being this idiotic
>>78370658
Yeah, human intelligence is heritable.
It's heritable for such a large percentage that the difference in group IQs we find in tests today can't simply be explained away by environment, because it wouldn't patch the holes between them.
If you invite these people, they'll always be a drag.
Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html
Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305
Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
Privately, intelligence experts hold more hereditarian views than they express in public.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1994egalitarianfiction.pdf
Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001
The average African IQ is estimated at 79.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741
The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf
The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html
Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636
Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809
IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
>>78372328
ever heard of ethnicity?
>>78370507
>Your extreme left is way further left than ours.
I doubt doubt that but we don't have to worry about our extreme left, look at how Sanders is doing.
>Do you not agree the US is moving leftwards?
Socially?Maybe, Economically? It's remained pretty stagnate since the 70s. The issue is we started off so far to the right.
>What if the people you're letting in by the millions have a genetic IQ of 90, meaning their children will too, and thus will always be a drag on society economically, but also socially (i.e. theft, rape and violence)?
Always is a little much? I live in Phoenix have have seen plenty of 3rd and 4th generation mexican-americans thrive. I think you're using the exact same arguments that Protestant used against Irish immigrants. [spoiler]Doesn't /pol/ also have a combine IQ of like 86 or something? According to some chart I saw being thrown around here /b/ and /trash/.[/spoiler]
>>78360053
ya, just like every murderer in prison knows it is
>>78372813
Race exists, but yes, ethnicity is also useful for grouping people together.
Race is a bunch of similar ethnicities grouped together.
Your point?
>>78348288
Like what? Having to argue in the defense of your opinions?
>>78346260
A libertarian society doesn't need to have open borders.
