http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-lead-florida-2016-6
HAHAHAHA WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SHOOTING MAKING TRUMP PRESIDENT, TRUMPKEKS?
>>78181009
>a fucking leaf in charge of posting
DUDE
>>78182037
Haha, oh man, our girl Hillary is gonna win! Let's do another poll outside the welfare office to prove it!
>>78182037
Over sampling demrats
>>78182131
Is that supposed to be an argument? Are you in denial?
>>78182232
this is getting pathetic lmao
>>78181009
>>78182295
>still has no argument
Amazing
>>78182037
He called it wrong and too soon. The shooter was wannabe ISIS, but in practice he was a self-hating gay man and a Latino-loving racist. These two factors were obviously crucial to his psychological makeup and to his motivation in the shooting. Trump tried to make it just about the Middle East and immigration, and tried to take credit, but this just did himself damage. Most votes can see that. He shot himself in the foot this time, I'm afraid.
The funny thing is that /pol/ wants so much for him to be right that I'm seeing false-flag tin-hat conspiracy shit on here about the shooter. Sure helps enhance the credibility of Trump when his most vehement supporters are absolutely certifiably nuts.
>>78182470
>shitposting
Not an argument
Have fun with your thread as it dies off with your last post
>>78181413
>>78182037
senpai senpai senpai desu desu desu
>>78182528
>Trump tried to make it just about the Middle East and immigration
>The shooter was wannabe ISIS
Good job good effort
>>78182566
You literally don't have an argument, you're just in denial, so you're trying to damage control by changing the subject
>>78182037
Kek will make Trump president. Kek wills it.
>>78182037
muslims killed the faggots, trump is against muslim savages.... wtf is wrong with jewmerica
>>78182037
I HURT MYSELF TODAY
>>78182698
Oh my dog, she gets Florida she wins.
That's it, fuccfrogs IT'S OGRE
>>78182528
>he was gay
No he wasn't. Please nigger.
>>78182528
>still buying into le shooter was gay meme
stop posting
>>78183025
>>78183067
>multiple visits to gay bar before
>not gay
>had gay lover
>not gay
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/orlando-shooters-alleged-gay-lover-he-did-it-for-revenge-w210809
>>78183025
>>78183067
How much evidence do you need, you delusional faggots?
1. His wife says he was gay
2. He was a regular at the club
3. He was on grindr
4. He was regularly fucking a Latino dude in a motel near where his family lived
5. People at the motel say he was a regular there for fuckmeets
6. He's on camera at the motel
7. He's on camera at the club
8. He looks like a massive fagggot
9. All these records will eventually be released, same as the San Bernardino shooters
10. You two will need to meet and anally penetrate each other to celebrate
>>78182183
>another poll
sure no problem
>>78182037
>http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-lead-florida-2016-6
>thanks for the congratulations for being right
What kind of idiot says that? He couldn't have handled it more autistically if he tried. That attack was given to him on a silver platter.
Well yeah the only people with landlines are 80 years old and they dont like gays much either.
>>78182037
This happens.
A week later, polls go down. Orlando Shooting happens.
A week later Polls begin upward slightly ( still down ) and this story compares pre-shooting polls ( before Curiel took effect ) with present, and makes false causal leap.
>>78183463
>model estimate
toppest of keks
>>78183463
>June 1
His poll numbers have plumetted since then retard
>>78182528
>it's not about Islam guys!
>>78183501
and?
>>78183633
The polls are lower than they were before the shooting, you illiterate fuck
>>78183675
It's about homophobia, which is reinforced by Islam. And butthurt faggots who think terrorism looks sexy, but aren't actual terrorists (in the sense they don't belong to terror groups / haven't done military training with them / haven't fought with them / haven't contributed money to them / don't belong to them in any meaningful way that's supported by evidence). Obviously he made the phone call to provide a cover for lazy faggots who didn't want to look under the surface at his motives. He was so ashamed of his own faggotry that he wanted to be identified publicly as a terrorist (and maybe as heroic) rather than a massive, enormous faggot. But now the latter is becoming quite clear. /pol/ is mad because it scrambles Trump's narrative if a key enemy in the US is self-hating homophobic gay men. Trump has nothing interesting to say on that problem.
>>78183799
Polls 'before the shooting' would reflect actual sentiment a week or more before the shooting.
'Current' polls reflect sentiment a week ago.
>>78184100
>y-yeah he made a phone call proclaiming allegiance to ISIS and was radicalized! B-But thats not the REAL issue!
Keep trying to hide the elephant in the room fa.m
>>78184158
polls are listed on RCP with the dates taken, usually a day or two before released, and trump is nosediving
>>78184158
A week ago would've still been after the shooting
>>78184100
He was a blatant homophobe. He was also doing it for Allah. Just being upset about gays the bomb and Islam the fuse. Islam is fucking up our world mate. To the normie who knows fuck all about Islam but hurr religion of piss can only really identify with the homophobia side
>>78182037
MSM successfully made it a gun issue.
>>78183384
>>78183394
Trumpfags are in constant denial. They are exactly, almost a perfect copy, of Bernie supporters.
It's kind of pathetic now
>>78183025
>>78183067
No, he went to the gay bar multiple times to scout ahead, and he fucked several faggots to learn their intentions
>>78185434
Is that why you make constant threads of defending Venezuela?
>>78184641
Look at the graph. It shows a nosedive after curiel, and a small uptick at the end. The end point of the graph is still lower than the last maxima, so you can ascribe any X made the polls fall story you want to it, but that doesn't make it so.
The shooting happens, and people find out about it and the details, and really it's half a week or more before it would even have its full effect, and the polls are behind the times. I tell you the polls reflect sentiment a week before you see them.
On June 12, Trump's poll numbers were down and falling fast. Afterwards we see the trajectory reversing and regaining some ground that was lost.
>>78184573
Not according to the graph. It shows a nosedive and now has an upward slope.
>>78185569
>trump goes down 8% in polls in FLORIDA after shooting
>i-its nothing guys, he's actually secretly rebounding
Now you're just grasping at straws
>>78182470
>spongeposting
At least you're showing your true colors cuck
>>78183799
absolute canacuck rage mode
You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to get this mad at your own b8
>>78186489
>>78186625
>its a TIDF episode
>>78185998
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_clinton-5635.html
I see him going down 0.6% in FLORIDA 'after the shooting' which is meaningless.
>>78186987
>A FUCKING LEAF cannot even troll a bunch of Trumpkins
Outstanding work Xu Huang, you really knocked it out of the park.
>>78185998
>Hillary corrupt politicsl and media machine shilling everywhere and getting google to hide its past
>But somehow manipulated polls is imposible
Ok
>>78187106
Yeah except the fact that you faggots were saying it was going to win him the presidency. The opposite happened. Also that average is skewed by polls that happened before the shooting. Wait a couple weeks, its going to go down further
>>78187325
Go back to r/TheDonald
>>78187664
It will. Trump is in the right on the Curiel thing but understanding that requires a little too much upstairs to grok for many, but this reminds people on a visceral level how important it is to keep badguys who hate us out.
Getting the Curiel thing out there early means people will have time to think about it and how they feel as well or forget about it if they really don't care. It may have been an inevitable point that was going to hurt Trump when made, until people came around, so it is better to make it in June than November which is when it had been scheduled to bubble up.
>>78188441
It didn't even need to hurt him. He had a legitimate complaint. He just handled it like a moron, as per usual
>hurr the judge is Mexican, therefore has unfair
>hurrr a Muslim guy attacked a gay club, I was right all along!
>>78188753
Doing it this way drives home the point that letting in ethnocentric minorities will lead to having to deal with unwanted enthnocentrism.
>>78182528
Thank for correcting the record.
>>78182037
Wasn't he one of the first to extend his condolences?
>>78182528
So, he did support ISIS? Like Trump stated? Being a self-hating gay changes that? Are you going to equate homophobia with terrorism now?
>>78184100
>multiple flights to Afghanistan
Maximum dingus
>>78185556
I never defend Venezuela. I find that Venezuela is a terrible regime that should be replaced. I just say that Venezuela is not socialist, but capitalist
>>78182679
just stop this is embarrasing
>>78182037
Mateen had a lover and was jealous of the latinos who didn't take him exclusively seriously. Homophobes are worse than he was! Muh terrorism! Muh youtube heart and retarded comments!
>>78192500
The only embarrassing thing ITT is that a Mexican supports Donald trump
>>78183394
the perfect disguise
>>78193038
Disguising uncut dicks in his bum
>>78185434
>I'm going to fuck a lot of guys so I can learn their weaknesses and motives
Right, guess that makes sense.
>>78193550
Do you seriously not see the sarcasm
>>78193550
Faggotry and the various mental illnesses that confound the homophobic confused are every male's biggest secrets and we all know this. It's all a game. The myths are going out the window and I say great
Once Mexico finishes their wall we'll be sure to erect one along the Canadian border too my finely cucked friend.
Also it's already gotten ten feet higher
>>78193832
Who cares. There is no way to put that really and it wasn't funny like a joke. He was being completely serious. And if not? Is that way more far flung than the "scoping them out" narrative or "muh terrorism" narrative?
>>78194000
Got anything fucking relevant to say? Joke country
>>78182037
Oh you mean the same polling companies that said he had no chance of getting the republican nomination? Yea I'll pass on listening to them
>>78194235
And there's another ten
There are way more registered demshits in Florida than Republicans.
I think this state might be too cucked to function.
>>78194334
We already live under a firmament dome so fuck your walls. How would we lose out? Getting shot because of your anal penile confusion?
"businessinsider" poll
man, that has Hillary written all over it
only shillary supporters i've ever seen here are one old couple in my neighborhood with a shillary sign in their front lawn
>>78195117
Shillary voters don't take politics seriously. They are the ones who get their politic info on Facebook and Jimmy Kimmel. You pass by Hillary voters all the time, she has very little supporters.
>>78190290
Coz he had family there, you even bigger dingus. The bit that's missing completely is evidence of him wanting to be a fighter / Taliban member. Even his father was ashamed of him and called him a faggot to his face. /pol/ wants this guy to be another version of Jihadi John, but he definitely isn't. He's a New York born loser who couldn't sort out the identity contradictions in his life so went ballistic (with guns that were incredibly easy to get).
You can contradict me with any evidence of active terrorist involvement. The closet he got was communicating with other people who went on to do bad things. The evidence you wished existed simply doesn't exist.
>>78196470
/pol/ BTFO. Nothing is more mentally sick than a phobic maggot without testicles
>>78197472
>mentally sick
>a phobic maggot without testicles
That's simply self-hatred on the part of /pol/. Sad!
>>78187842
Why don't you fuck off back to r/4chan or reddit in general?
>>78182528
>He called it wrong
>self-hating gay
You what? He pledged allegiance to Baghdadi and ISIS how did he call it wrong? Also what proof exists that he was gay aside from loosey goosey claims that he had homosexual altercations? The reason why the polls changed is because the media are covering up the facts and painting Trump as an Islamophobic liar while in fact the news are defending and damage controlling ISIS supporters and should be called out for it.
>>78183384
>alleged
So its not proven then?
>>78199329
Because, as has become clear in the subsequent gays, he was more motivated by a preoccupation with homosexuality (as a repressed gay man) than he was with terrorist involvement (which was minimal). His 911 phone call was an attempted cover for his very deep and contradictory faggotry. Trump didn't see this coming and thought we're dealing with a common-or-garden-style terrorist -- but we're not.
>>78196470
he also visited Saudi Arabia
and his local mosque
and got radicalized into Islam
>>78199798
>i-it's n-not about Islam!
>h-he's j-just hiding his gayness! Him not being radicalized and pledging allegiance to ISIS is just a front!
Keep on trying to hide the elephant in the room fa.m
Youre like one of those retards who claim Hitler was Jewish because he killed Jews and had some "ego"
Our people are sick.
They think there are 60+ genders but only 1 race
They support homosexuality but defend Islam
Someone say's we need to protect our borders and they get scared as if Hitler himself came to life and took over the country.
Trump has no chance in a society like this. In the short term i think this may be for the best. I seriously believe that a Civil War can erupt if Trump was to win since the mentally ill would stage a massive revolt. On the other hand, Hillary is a two faced war criminal who will milk these same people for support and in the long term, i seriously think western society will begin to cave in.
>>78199798
Where are you leftist getting this repressed fag shit? Obama claims hes a christian and everybody has to believe him, a man says hes a woman and yup hes a woman now because he says so. This guy says he is ISIS and he doing it because of U.S airstrikes and ISIS claims responsibility and you leftist are all like nope he was just a super violent gay democrat.
>>78200540
Billions of people do the Hajj and don't get radicalized, so this isn't evidence. If anything, the people who get radicalized are less likely to do the Hajj and less likely to respect Saudi authority.
He was completely uninvolved at his local mosque. He just want there to pray and didn't talk to anyone. It's a very moderate mosque. You need to be less of a faggot and use evidence more effectively. Being Islamic is not the same as being a terrorist. Being Islamic and going to military training camps or downloading piles of radical videos or donating money to ISIS is a better indication of likely terrorism.
>>78200901
I know nothing of Obama's religious habits and fail to see the relevance. False analogy. Just look at Omar's main preoccupations and how he spent his time. He's spent the last few years working on being a massive faggot and not on being a terrorist. Beyond the phone calls and the FBI being concerned about some people he had talked with, there's no evidence of him being a proper terrorist. Hajj and being Afghan themselves aren't enough. This is really easy, anons!
>>78201742
>N-Not all Muslims!
top kek
>"Hitler did not murder 6 gorillion Jews because he hated them and thought them as subhumans!"
>"He actually murdered them because he was actually part-Jew! According to my pseudo-intellectualism, his ego of being part Jew made him kill other Jews!"
>"Y-Yeah he made really mean statements to them, wrote a book, and frequently visited Nazi Rallies! But thats because he was just pretending!"
Thats your argument, its so god damn close, Im fucking dying of keks
Also keep trying to shift the argument or minimize the shit he claimed to do in Islam, it just makes the elephant in the room grow
>>78202776
False analogy again. Just argue the points on the table.
Islam is largely about discipline and obedience. The pious pilgrims who do the Hajj mostly get their jollies from kneeling down and being told what to do. Radical Islamic terrorists tend to be angry, disaffected young men who don't buy the obedience narrative. They don't tend to be very pious, they often drunk, use drugs, and womanize, and get their thrills from military toys and sadism. Working out how to identify who is threatening among Muslims is one of the most important things we can do to keep ourselves safe. Saying that all Muslims are terrorists makes us less safe. You have to look at this fucktard Omar and see what motivated him so we can stop shit like this from happening again. The three really obvious points of leverage are:
1. create an environment where there's less homophobic self-hatred and more acceptance.
2. make high-volume military-style rifles inaccessible to the general public
3. better FBI intelligence, which probably means better surveillance and more qualitative human-derived information such as from interviews with a significant number of people who have been in the lives of people who end up on a terrorist watch list.
If any of these three things were done, we wouldn't have had a massacre. But Trumptards are yelling "Muslims are evil" and "Let's solve terrorism by promoting hate." It doesn't fucking work like that.
>>78199798
Dude, we have audio of him saying he was doing it for islam. The gay reasons is something the media has been shilling recently for good goys like you, with only second hand evidence and implications. His testimony vs shilling. You pick
>>78204022
His testimony was obviously made up at the last minute to deflect attention from his faggotry. It's not corroborated by other evidence from his life. He had some minor contact with actual terrorists, but it doesn't seem to have been about terrorism and he never got actively involved in any terrorist groups or activities. There's nothing else to support the terrorist explanation. You have to look not just at what he says but at how all the other evidence of his life fits to support an explanation (or not). The San Bernardino couple were obviously massive terrorists and there's a huge amount of supporting evidence. Omar lacks all that. The trouble for Trumptards is that the Donald himself early on acted as though this was San Bernadino all over again. It's not. There's no need to pretend it is. Just look at the full range of evidence of what we know about this guy and build a solid, evidence-based interpretation.
>>78203799
Nigger you are literally ignoring or minimizing all of the evidence that pointed out that maybe he didn't do it out of it for some retarded pseudo-psychological reason you thought of
>>78204464
Retard San Bernardino shooters weren't connected to ISIS as much as Omar was you dumbass, yet they still caused as much carnage as Omar could
The only argument you have is that he killed people over a laughable excuse when there is just as much evidence that could corroborate him as a terrorist
Thats why im fucking laughing at you, you are literally acting like one of those retards who go around claiming Hitler killed Jews because he was half-kike and was acting out of some retarded ego
>>78204464
Omar doesnt lack any of that his wife knew about the attacks and helped him scout, plan and buy the ammo. He doesnt need any affiliations with ISIS because he was self radicalized. That is exactly what ISIS wants and expects. By your logic ISIS could convince millions of people to kill online in their name and nobody would ever be able to do anything about it because they didnt have a direct link to them. This is just like San Bernadino in that his wife knew and helped him. He proclaimed support for ISIS and ISIS claimed responsabilty. You have no proof that he was gay and struggling with it, that is all just made up shit to change the narative.
>>78182037
DELETE THIS
>>78205698
>>78205229
We don't have evidence of Omar's self-radicalization. We do of the San Bernardino couple, and that's before we're even given access to what's on the iPhone (most likely it's connected to current terrorist threats and FBI cases, so isn't for general public consumption). This makes them completely different! The San Bernardino couple were in contact with ISIS. They weren't just self-radicalized. Omar had no direct contact with ISIS (that we know of). Again, the evidence points simply to different explanations. What we do have is everyone who knew Omar giving their account of why he did it. So far I've seen the accounts of:
1. his father, who called him a faggot
2. his wife, who called him a confused faggot
3. his faggot lover, who had a fight with him about his repression
4. his co-worker, who said he had a lot of anger and really hated faggots
5. the staff at Pulse, who knew him as a regular
6. the staff at his gay hookup hotel, who knew him as a regular
7. the video evidence from this places, which has been described but not released yet.
Everyone who knoew him and has spoken about him said they didn't buy the terrorist or ISIS stuff.
What's the personal testimony evidence from friends, colleagues, lover, family members, or acquaintances that adds weight to the terrorist story? Zero!!! Big fat zero. Can you increase that to something greater than zero? If you can't, then you're argument suffers badly.
>>78207170
>The San Bernardino couple were in contact with ISIS.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/16/460021165/still-no-evidence-linking-san-bernardino-shooters-to-isis-fbi-says
>This makes them completely different!
You are also ignoring the fact that both of them pledged allegiance to ISIS
As well both Omar and the Husband going to the Hajj
As well as Omar and the Husband visiting the Middle East
As well as Omar known to have connections to radicals just as the couple
>Fun fact, his father thought him being gay was bullshit and has said he wouldn't believed he would be gay if he shot up a nightlcub full of em
>inb4 "b-but he still called a fag, therefore anybody who calls me a faggot must mean Im gay!"
Again you keep ignoring or minimizing many signs that he did have intentions of radicalization in Islam. People calling him gay or "thinking" he was gay isn't gonna hide the fact that there are just as much connections to him and the San bernardino shooters.
The only arguments you have to counter this is you talking, of course, out of your ass about how Radical Muslims are this and Moderate muslims are that
>>78207170
None of the testimony matters. Those people were not him and they dont know what he was doing when they were not around. Have any of those people testified under oath? Do you know how credible any of them are? No you dont. Every single one of your accounts could be 100% bullshit. He said he did it in the name of Allah on behalf of ISIS. ISIS has claimed responsability and have stated many times that they want people self radicalized to act on their behalf.
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Omar made 9-11 plane noises on the schoolbus when he was a kid, he called people niggers at work, and he said he supported both Hezbollah and ISIS at the same time. Like on top of everything else it has to be understood that he was an edgefag, right?
>>78208359
Evidence came out a day or two after the article you cite:
>Though there isn't clear evidence pointing to ISIS ordering and coordinating the San Bernardino shooting, it appears that Malik and Farook supported the terrorist group and carried out the attack in its name. This underscores the danger of terrorists who aren't plugged into established networks and can therefore fly under the radar and remain undetected by authorities.
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-message-tashfeen-malik-posted-on-facebook-during-attack-2015-12
Also "San Bernardino shooters praised by Islamic State magazine"
http://www.pe.com/articles/magazine-792174-san-bernardino.html
Plus there's evidence of the woman in the coupe being radicalized in Pakistan before coming to the US and being in contact in a private social media with an ISIS-related group. Omar lacks this kind of corroboration.
The Hajj connection is interesting. I'm a Westerner who lived in the UAE for a while and know that most Emiratis fucking hate the terrorists and see them as completely impious. Most of those involved in big attacks in Europe have never done the Hajj. Still, I'll grant you that it's an interesting comment. I can't give you credit for "visiting the Middle East." That proves nothing. You have to show what they did there. Omar visited family, as best we know. The Middle East is over a hundred million people.
You haven't provided as much info linking Omar to radicalization as I'd like to see. I'm trying to be impartial on this and make sense of what his motives were. I just don't see enough evidence showing that he was connected to groups representing jihadism or even that he went through full self-radicalization (since in almost every case this leaves a significant electronic trail, including in web history, IP records, social media postings, phone data, etc.).
Btw, anyone know what's with his phone? Any evidence from it? Was it crackable? I haven't read anything about it.
>>78208707
Testimony of everyone who knew him is the best evidence we've got, especially when combined with his full digital footprint (which hasn't been released yet). And testimony under oath would be even better, but we haven't gotten that far yet. Stuff could be bullshit, but just a bit of common sense tells you that if there's a pattern in what everyone who knew him was saying, even when they don't know each other, then there's a really good chance that this pattern is correct.
>>78209528
The problem with your first source is that there is SPECIFIC or REAL evidence that the couple contacted with ISIS
All they did was just talk to a bunch of sketchy Muslims, who come by a dime a dozen, Omar did just as that.
Also
>"San Bernardino shooters praised by Islamic State magazine"
>Be Self-Radicalized Muslim
>kill people in name of Allah
>get praised by said radicals
Thats a not a big surprise m88
>You haven't provided as much info linking Omar to radicalization as I'd like to see. I'm trying to be impartial on this and make sense of what his motives were. I just don't see enough evidence showing that he was connected to groups representing jihadism or even that he went through full self-radicalization (since in almost every case this leaves a significant electronic trail, including in web history, IP records, social media postings, phone data, etc.).
Well the attack did JUST happened, we may not know for a while
Maybe he was gay for a period, but later became radicalized and just internalized all of his faggotry, but it didn't cause him to just shoot up a bunch of fags and then pledge of allegiance to ISIS. Shooting up a club and then for some reason pledging to a bunch of sandniggers is just dumb if he really did it for being a self-hating fag.
>>78211115
>>78182037
>believing polls
Seriously, this is the nail in the coffin for any faggot ass shill that promotes this nonsense.
>>78210435
Their testimony is not evidence of anything let alone the best evidence we have. The best evidence is his own words and actions. All of which point to a radicalized islamic terrorist. Your idea of common sense and pattern recognition only means that you are seeing what you want and not the facts. The 100% facts are that he claimed he was acting on ISIS behalf. And ISIS claimed they were responsible.
>>78194270
this desu
why dafuq does newchina export shilling so heavy these days? as the cost of their money gone down that much?
>>78211115
I agree that he's pretty fucking dumb. I also agree that we might not know the full story for a few months or more.
To me it seems that the gay self-hatred stuff is more supported by evidence than the self-radicalization stuff. I suppose for now we can just let consensus win and let everyone make of the evidence what they can. It feels to me as though the barometer has swung away from Trump's initial diagnosis that this is the same-old usual-style Islamist shit. Likewise with the San Bernardino couple -- we're still awaiting some crucial info about affiliations and motives.
>>78182037
I remember this happening with the French elections too right after the terrorist attacks in Paris. Why is it that the more mudshits show themselves for who they truly are, the more people want to get cucked?
>>78183384
>multiple visits
Wow, so the shoot scoped out his kill zone before carrying it out. Huh, really makes you think.
>gay lover
Completely unsubstantiated. Does this fag have proof? Texts? Emails? Pictures? Facebook logs? Anything that makes me think that he's not full of shit and just trying to paint this as "HA HA ANYONE WHO HATES GAYS IS ACTUALLY A SECRET HOMO" narrative?
>>78212072
I assure you it wasn't gay self-hatred
>>78212072
I mean the his correlation is pretty normal, a fuckton of people are correlating it just as he is.
He may not have pondered on the gay part, but neither has alot of people, and its perfectly justifiable because there is a connection that makes perfect sense of it being involved Islamic Terrorism.
Right now I just dont think it has anything to do with him being possibly gay. It's just too petty, convoluted, and simply fucking dumb to cause a massacre like that over being called a closet fag. We shall see however if thats the case, I just refuse to believe someone would commit that massacre over something so dumb it would make Seung Hui Cho pissed off over him losing his High Score
>>78212838
Honestly, it looks like it to me and I'm trying to take in all available evidence. There's a lack of really good evidence of self-radicalization. It looks like a thin veneer applied at the very end. Just how it seems to me, though I appreciate your opinion, anon.
>>78213102
Here's the thing. If the gay self hatred story turns out to be true. Why do you think he would have such self hatred that would drive him to such extreme results?
Could it be he grew up in a family/culture where being gay was really that bad of a thing?
>>78213400
Yup, every conclusion points to islam.
>>78182037
>15 posts by this ID
>>78213400
And a country in which homophobia is still common. And a background (as a security guard) where you get plenty of butthurt dropouts who are happy to express resentment against minorities, including gay people. And of course stupid monotheistic religions that promote moralistic hatred towards many populations, including gay people. And Republicans have been the people to go to for Prop 8 and all kinds of campaigning against gay rights, often expressed in hateful or homophobic terms. There's a cultural cluster of homophobia involved here, in which Islam is definitely included. but a full explanation needs to explain how a New York-born kid can think homophobia is OK in Florida today, or how he can hate himself so much that he wants to die because his desires are in conflict with his identity.
>>78192830
>The only embarrassing thing ITT is that a Mexican supports Donald trump
The shilling is strong in you; guess what, many spics support Trump, just because he's not ths stablishment foe; and even if crookedshillary was a good girl she's still the stablishment shill. So gtfo leaf, be a nigger somewhere else.
>>78196470
>(with guns that were incredibly easy to get).
Hey guys i spoted thw shill; where is my deposit??
>>78216927
Hey ideologue. What's it like to only talk with people who agree with you all the time? Must give your fragile ego a fair bit of boosting, right? What a fucking crisis it would be if someone actually disagreed with you. Must give you nightmares, no?
And full disclosure: I think John Howard was smart in his response to Port Arthur. It's made Australia a safer place. Wouldn't work in the US, though.
>>78182175
WEED
