Who are my fellow Ausfags voting for in the upcoming fed. election? On that note, does Australia have any strong nationalist parties catching up? From what I understand, Australia First, One Nation, and the ALA are the best we have in that regard.
>>78120674
I'm voting for NZ First
>>78120733
>tfw can't vote for based winnie
>>78120674
Nick Xenophon team
>>78120733
No one asked you
Not as strong as liberal democrats.
Besides, it shits the Marxists when we use the word liberal instead of liberty, even if they mean the same thing. They worked so hard to take the word liberalism from us it'll be just so delicious when we take it back.
The ghost of Harold holt
>tfw just discovered we once had 2 national socialist parties
>former member of one of these parties currently leads the Australia First party
Will Jim Salaem ever be our great fuhrer?
>>78120851
Excuse me?
>>78121242
>NZ confirmed for Australia's afterbirth
Still love ya tho
>>78121242
>Fiji and New Zealand were originally part of this process
>>78121592
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Australia
lets not get off topic boys, parties im looking at
>One Nation
>Australian Liberty Alliance
>Katter
>Australia First
Give me more parties, mates
>>78121242
Anytime you want to admit union into Australia is a good idea, we'll be here, but we'll never call ourselves the west island. At best we'll rename to Australasia, but that'll just be confusing for most people around the world.
>>78121755
Liberal democrats.
Leyonhelm is boss.
>>78121755
Family first
Christian Democratic
NXT
Democratic Labour
Rise up Australia
Shooters and Fishers party
Which party is Anti-Muslim?
That's priority number One for me.
Then whichever party is going to take Australia back from China (live export, property purchases, coal mines etc).
>>78121755
I'm in the same boat, yet I don't know shit about Katter other than he looks like the killer from Wolf Creek.
As far as the "big two" are concerned, I'll still prioritize Labor over Liberal as the major because the latter has proven they can't be fucking trusted, and aren't even trying to hide the fact that they're fossil fuel shills at the expense of everybody else.
>>78122506
>muh gays: the priority list
Also, DOES ANY FUCKING PARTY OPENLY SUPPORT CASTLE LAWS? I'm so fucking sick of stories about some poor bastard going to prison for defending his home and family with """""excessive force""""".
>>78120674
>ALA
THESE CUNTS ARE A JEWISH FRONT. THEY ARE SET-UP BY THE JEWS TO SUBVERT AUSSIE NATIONALISM INTO A PRO-ISRAEL ANTI-MUSLIM DISTRACTION.
Yes, muslims are scum and don't belong here but they are not the MAIN ISSUE. Anyone memeing about "muh sharia law" is doing the work (either knowingly or unknowingly) of the Jew.
>>78122718
ALA, One Nation, Aus First are in order, probably the most relevant anti-Muslim immigration parties, although I think only Aus First is hardcore nationalist enough to stiff the Chinese.
>>78122959
I was listing other right wing parties
>>78122506
what is the advantage in voting for christian parties?
most of their policies are social based instead of economic and they basically want to ban fun
>>78121874
The 'United Federation of Australia and New Zealand' would be the best name desu. I would never vote to federate with Australia though.
>>78123075
My bad. Thought that was a list of parties you were considering specifically.
>>78123091
Pretty much this. All they care about is upholding what they call "family values" and probably want to institute mandatory prayer in schools and shit.
>>78123091
>ban fun
No m8, they know that what you call "fun" is actually not fun at all but a way that man debases and enslaves himself and cuts himself off from the good life.
>>78123178
It would be nice to see the Olympic Ceremony with all four nations marching one after the other
>United Federation of Australia and New Zealand
>United Kingdom
>United States
Voting 1 Greens in both houses of course
1. Libs.
2-10 meme parties.
11. Labor.
12. Greens.
>>78124779
>Libs.
Why would you put a major party first? They are destroying the fucking country you poofter.
>>78124852
Because I like what Malcolm is doing desu. I think he's on the right track, and you can't expect him to drastically change the country in less than a year.
>Smaller government.
>Lower corporate taxes.
>Low middle class taxes.
>BTFOing cigarette smokers.
>Isn't proposing to spend billions on wasteful programs and digeridindus.
>Isn't making meme policies that blow out the budget because he listened to the idiots who keep wanting more and more spent on muh hospitals and schools.
>Surpluses (or close to surpluses) by ~2020.
>Moderate social policies.
>Reasonable environmental policies - e.g. spending money to maintain the reefs etc.
>Not really related to politics but I also just like that he comes across as more likeable and sophisticated than Shorten, who sounds like he's asking a question every time he makes a statement. Shorten also comes across as such an annoying guy to talk to IRL.
>>78126668
You just outlined the path of cuckservative destruction of a nation m8. His "moderate agenda" just legitimises Labor and the GReens extremist agenda in the future.
Also you are dead wrong about the digeridindus. He will drown them in wasted cash.
Someone give me a rundown of the parties please
>>78126965
So do you prefer Labor?
Also, forgive my ignorance - I can vote meme parties first then preference Libs, Labor and Greens last in that order, and if the race is close my vote will count for Libs.
It doesn't matter how low I vote Libs as long as they are before Labor and Greens for my vote to technically count for them, right?
I live in leichhardt
KELLY, John - ALA -2
PUDNICKS, Kurt - GRN -9
ROGERS, Peter - One Nation -1
ENTSCH, Warren - LNP -5
HOWES, Sharryn - ALP -8
GEBADI, Ned Kelly - FFP -3
MCCARTHY, Daniel - IND -4
NEWIE, Michael - IND -7
TASSELL, Bradley - KAP -6
>>78127175
>It doesn't matter how low I vote Libs as long as they are before Labor and Greens for my vote to technically count for them, right?
Yes m8 that is correct. Now you are making more sense.
>So do you prefer Labor?
Labor under Shorten aren't too bad.
>mfw these retards voting for LDP while completely ignorant of the fact that LDP literally wants completely open borders
>>78127238
unfortunatly not enough voters know this
>>78127188
That is a pretty good vote m8.
>Ned Kelly
His parents must have been pretty meme.
>>78127073
Liberals - Shills for fossil fuel industry, Rupert Murdoch's bitchboys, likes to buy votes from the well off
Labor - SJW bullshit, likes to buy votes from the poor
Greens - Cunts.
>>78127238
>Labor under Shorten aren't too bad.
Wew.
Based JLN in Tasmania :^)
>>78127431
Lad.
>>78127373
Well I like cunts, they're soft and warm, so I'll be voting Greens. Thanks mate.
>>78127488
Despite how angry and inarticulate she is she's still pretty SJW and left wing anon
>>78126668
liberal party wants to privatise medicare. theyve got fucking rocks in their head if they think that is going to fly. dumbshits trying to act like american conservatives, its pretty pathetic to see. theyre going to lose the election for sure because of medicare. ive voted lib all my life and would consider myself conservative on a lot of issues but no fucking way im going to have my family vulnerable to getting fucked over one day in a privatised health care system.
plus, they wouldnt be taking such a risk with medicare if there wasnt some kind of (((benefit))) to it, namely liberal pollies getting into bed with a massive insurance conglomerate. i smell rotten fish mang, im very suspicious about it.
>>78127814
>SJW and left wing
She has just been brainwashed by the mainstream memes.
I have hope for her. I think under the right guidance she can be fully redpilled.
>>78127861
Turnbull literally clarified 300 times that they will never privatise medicare. Idiot.
>>78127908
>they will never privatise medicare
They will do everything but. Can't trust them at all.
>>78127908
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2016/06/17/medicare-will-never--ever-be-privatised--pm.html
>>78127861
Medicare is fucking garbage, that's why we have a thriving private health insurance industry.
>>78122959
you need to do some non jewish influenced research into climate change m8.
>>78126668
>thinking small gubmint is inherently a good thing
>unironically being in support of corporate tax cuts
Why?
Also let's not forget
>cutting enormous amounts of spending on health and education, while giving massive tax cuts to the fossil fuel industry
>war on renewable energy, so much that we are the second worst nation on environmental action in the developed world after fucking Saudi Arabia
>spending millions on researching "wind turbine syndrome", another blatant straw-grab designed to undermine renewable energy
>batshit retarded NBN plan, utilizing obsolete, high-maintenence technology making us the nation with the 60th slowest internet speed on Earth
>Malcolm Turncoat is an Islam apologist
>constant proposals to deregulate medical and university fees, effectively dooming us by saddling our educated youth with enormous debt, while fucking over the sick in the lower&middle classes even harder
>all so they can afford to continue feeding Gina the Hutt and the rest of their corporate masters in fossil fuels
Fuck the LNP. They're comic-book villainy levels of awful.
>>78127188
leichhardt too, but will be KAP first and one nation 1 in senate
>>78127861
if only it was completely privatised.
you realise there would be money to be made off of lower strata citizens wanting health care?
this would lead to competition and the best possible health care at that price point.
all these (paid?) muh global warming fossil fuels are the devil shills.
go and get fucked.
>>78128417
Excellent post m8.
>>78128446
>one nation 1 in senate
I envy you cunts who get to vote for Pauline.
>>78128524
>and the best possible health care at that price point
Bunch of curry doctors cutting corners more like m8.
>>78128614
Says the "Fossil fuels are rad! Climate action is bad!" Shill. How does Gina Rinehart's minge taste?
>>78120674
- right wing minor parties
- liberals
- labor
- greens.
>>78128767
>How does Gina Rinehart's minge taste?
Like iron ore and french onion dip.
>>78128677
if a consumer has the choice between a curry doctor and a good doctor, who does he chose?
what effect on the doctor workforce does an ad infinitum repetition of this decision have?
>>78128842
By this logic curry doctors shouldn't even exist.
Well they do.
>>78128417
>They're comic-book villainy levels of awful.
Yeah, but that basically describes every Australian in existence. It is just what you guys do when you see a "reply" button on a Chilean sculpture-making board.
>>78128767
i dont want to turn this into a climate change thread, start a new one if you'd like.
please know that 'environmentalism' is the marxists strongest weapon.
>>78128804
Oh fuck that ad triggers me so hard.
>durr if we cut spending on mining, people like me (totally a real tradie and not a paid Lib/Murdoch shill) lose their jerbs!!1!1
>ignoring the resulting job growth in the renewable energy, medical, and education fields. You know, jobs we actually fucking need more of if we're going to prosper as a society
>>78128923
Poor banter. go away.
>>78128417
This. Greens are the best option atm but anyone who preferences Liberals ahead of Labor is seriously part of the problem.
daily reminder that if you vote greens you are a CUNT and should come see me in 6108 so i can fucking flog you
>>78128989
m8 I have warned you about that snarky reddit tone before.
>>78128884
no doubt there will be a point where the consumer is happy to make the tradeoff of lower quality curry doctor for lower price and as such some curry doctors will exist.
however at present, is the healthcare system a totally free market?
>Cucktoria
KEK
>>78128446
I honestly would put KAP higher but I just cant get over how unpredictable he is.
>>78129057
>is the healthcare system a totally free market?
It is pretty free. People can choose their own doctor and doctors are not employed by the state.
>>78129007
(you)
>>78128989
an actor in a politcal parties advertisement being shouted down as a shill?
thats literally the definition of every person thats ever appeared in an advertisement.
also you must understand a nations capacity to produce energy is inherently linked with their prosperity.
that is not to totally discredit all of your sentiment.
>>78128952
Are we just going to pretend that we don't need a sustainable environment to live in? That our agriculture industry isn't both at risk and our main source of food and revenue? That our wildlife and foliage is just expendable in the name of lining the pockets of greedy coal jews? That we don't have the most prime landscape for utilizing renewable energy on Earth and it could become a booming industry if we could stop being retards?
>>78122976
any evidence that ala is a jewish shill party?
>>78129358
>any evidence
It is just common knowledge that the Q society is Jewish-backed and the Q Society is behind ALA.
>>78128644
feels gud man, can vote something like this
1. One Nation
2. KAP
3. LDP
4. ALA
5. Rise Up
6. Family First
>>78129551
What do you think of Lazerus m8?
wait theres an election,
fuck
>>78127861
>falling for the obvious, sad and false smear campaign of Labor
Good goy
>>78129294
Yeah it seemed everyone was going on about this ad when I always assumed the teacher's, students, single mothers etc.. in political ads were actors. And even if they weren't actors they were still reading from the party script so what's the difference?
>>78129618
haven't really looked up on him much, think he'll struggle to get back in
>>78129731
>being completely oblivious to the entire track record of everything the LNP has/has tried to fuck up since they were elected
Bad goyim
>>78129830
>muh baseless hypotheticals
>muh labor is a much better alternative despite obvious lying in the campaign trail,
>>78129796
Yeah I don't know much about him at all, sportsball or politics career.
>>78129442
>Q society is Jewish-backed
that is what i want - evidence that the q society is a jewish front. no one has been able to provide any so far. so im still voting ala.
>>78128417
>thinking small gubmint is inherently a good thing
Nigga are you fucking serious?
Of course I think its a fucking good thing. FYI i'm not a Libertarian, I just like "small government" how the Libs envision it.
When I say small government I don't mean reducing our (already generous) social safety net and welfare programs, I just think adding more and programs is fucking stupid and this will be the pasth we go down if Labor win.
>Falling for the trickle down meme.
Once again. We are NOT the US. We have high personal income taxes, FAR more regulations that prevent extremely high and hard-to-justify corporate salaries and we do not have a fucking inequality problem. We are comparable to Sweden and France.
Its a LOT harder to reduce the size of givernment than it is to increase it.
>>78130252
>evidence that the q society is a jewish front
Cui bono m8? Who benefits?
It is funny how all these groups of "nationalists" who LOVE ISRAEL and only ever talk about MUSLIMS have sprung up out of nowhere for no logical reason and have heaps of money to spend.
>>78130325
>cutting enormous amounts of spending on health and education, while giving massive tax cuts to the fossil fuel industry
Fossil fuel industry?
We don't need more and more spent on hospitals and schools. Throwing money on schools does nothing to increase educational achievement.
>war on renewable energy, so much that we are the second worst nation on environmental action in the developed world after fucking Saudi Arabia
Source plz. I find this hard to believe. I'm quite sure tha Libs have good environmental policies and have signed international agreements on emissions/climate change + have proposed to spend money to save the reefs.
>batshit retarded NBN plan, utilizing obsolete, high-maintenence technology making us the nation with the 60th slowest internet speed on Earth
NBN under Abbot was a bad move, but Labor are never ever going to change what has been done already. Besides, my NBN isn't bad at all, and something like 90% of people with NBN don't even use the highest speed packages available to them.
>Malcolm Turncoat is an Islam apologist
Is Shorten any less of an apologist?
I feel like this type of "Islam apologist" stuff is just purely for political brownie points. Its no big deal.
>constant proposals to deregulate medical and university fees, effectively dooming us by saddling our educated youth with enormous debt, while fucking over the sick in the lower&middle classes even harder
Who are they fucking over? LMFAO. Did you just throw this in? THey barely changed anything with healthcare.
Nobody is going to be dying in the streets under the Libs healthcare plan.
University deregulation is no longer an issue - it was scrapped. I agree with you by the way on this point.
>DEM LIBERALS BE FUCKING OVER MUH POOR PEOPLE AND CENTERLINK PAYMENTS YET AGAIN. I WAS TOTALLY DOING WELL UNTIL THEY DID THAT THING AND NOW I AM LIVING IN POVERTY.
>>78129830
did you pay any attention to the government waste and debt accrued under the previous labor government?
that debt comes from the big boss jews, the ones that actually count.
there was a fantastic article i read recently that broke down exactly how much they spent in each of their frivolous, populist endeavours but i cant remember where to find it.
>>78128417
>Fuck the LNP. They're comic-book villainy levels of awful.
>>78120973
i like his swimming pool
>>78129943
its a bit of a struggle to even find policy on his site, gave up
>People unironically supporting left-wing and far-left economic policies ITT.
>People literally liking bigger government.
i'd rather liberal than labor/greens, will liberals still get my preference if i rank minor right wing parties first then liberal, labor, greens (in that order)?
>>78130696
>will liberals still get my preference if i rank minor right wing parties first then liberal, labor, greens (in that order)
yes
>>78129353
thats a very emotive first sentence that i dont think you fully understand.
would you buy a machine that could print money?
that sounds sustainable right?
it costs $10,000 and prints $100 every month.
it has a lifespan of three years.
would you still buy this sustainable machine?
all "green" energy is this machine.
we should have the country running on nuclear power and vehicles running on solids to liquids fuel.
we would be an energy self sufficient country.
>>78130879
don't bring up nuclear, anon
you'll send the retard into meltdown
>>78130436
>debt accrued under the previous labor government
Oh yeah, do you mean that little financial crisis that swept the globe and Australia came out of relatively unscathed under labor? That debt?
>>78130589
Why does the "size"of the government actually matter more than the policies of said government? The German NatSoc government was fucking huge and turned Germany from a withered husk into a superpower in under a decade.
Meanwhile third world governments tend to be small. Where are the bastions of wealth and freedom among them?
The only people that want "muh small gubmint" are people that want the corporate elite to run everything at the expense of everybody else (ie. Jews)
>>78131086
>The only people that want "muh small gubmint" are people that want the corporate elite to run everything at the expense of everybody else (ie. Jews)
The only people that want "muh big gubmint" are people that want the government to run everything and everyone's lives (i.e. Jews)
>>78129353
what threat to our agriculture are you talking about?
wildlife and foliage are expendable in the name of human lives, which is the ultimate cost of an energy poor nation. once again environmentalism is the strong arm of modern marxism.
that is not to say that a win win balance can not be struck.
so south australia and tasmania can stop buying power from victorias coal stations then?
we have the most prime landscape for utilising nuclear energy.
coal jews are nothing but business. i dont think any industry should recieve special government treatment, but if you think they need to be stopped and replaced with greedy green jews (ones that are far easier to see for what they are ie carbon credits scams) all in the name of anti capitalism, then i will stop wasting my time replying to you.
we already have a booming energy industry with trememndous scope for improvement if bureaucracy would get out of the way (ie ban on nuclear, the insurmountable hurdles a mining / energy company has to jump through compared to any other business that is prohibitive of all but the 'greedy coal jews' to afford)
>>78131381
>what threat to our agriculture are you talking about?
The creeping desert wasteland that is your home.
>>78131086
> government/beaurocratic waste is a good thing and should not be kept in check as much as possible
> government does a more effective and efficient job than private industry
>>78130879
I'm not even saying that we replace all fossil fuels with renewables. Not immediately anyway, that would be insane. But fossil fuels are finite. What do you think would happen to a country that relies entirely on coal for its energy and economy when mines run dry? We would collapse while we could be making use of the space and ample amounts of sunlight and wind in that barren wasteland in inland Australia.
I agree with you that we should be utilizing nuclear energy though, so nice strawman from this dipshit >>78130980
>>78131381
>what threat to our agriculture are you talking about?
Our farmers are already struggling under repeated and extended droughts and heatwaves killing our crops and livestock, while the LNP gives the ok to replace prime farming landscape with gaping black holes in the ground.
>>78131086
>The only people that want "muh small gubmint" are people that want the corporate elite to run everything at the expense of everybody else (ie. Jews)
You can have a good regulatory envirnment and a small government at the same time.
Like I said before I am NOT a Libertarian.
A well regulated financial sector and economy is what prevents the corporate jew problem like in the US, but we are in no way comparable to the US regulatory environment. You are literally spouting out memes.
>You literally think a 1% tax cut will cause an explosion in income inequality and a corporate jew takeover.
I also don't advocate for extremely low taxes and cuts to welfare so don't keep assuming that.
There isn't a black and white political philosophy where you can only be supporting of big government or libertarian/ancap.
>Unironically supporting big government and inefficient bureaucracies.
>You now realise that Canberra has the highest quality of life of any other city in the WORLD
How will non-Canberrans ever recover?
http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings.jsp
>>78131877
>a city for politicians has superior quality of life
whodathunkit
>>78131504
Again, depends on the government. But yes, a government that isn't owned by corporations like the US would do a better job than private industry, which needs to be strictly regulated or else you get the US medical and health industries where it costs a hundred million dollars for a hip replacement or a diploma in jacking off.
>>78131972
Same can be said for DC and Ottawa lad
>>78131557
dont get me wrong, renewables CAN work, *gasp*
the best case for this is the ountries largest engineering undertaking in the snowy hydro scheme.
however, there is no chance in hell that would be allowed to be built in this modern era.
solar energy and wind energy are best thought of as the money machine i mentioned before.
they CAN NOT PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN THE ENERGY IT COSTS TO MANUFACTURE AND MAINTAIN THEM.
it may sound and feel good but it is in no way sustainable or green.
to produce 20% of Australias energy with "green" wind power would require clear felling and the use of 25,531km^2 of land.
does that sound like a good use for our prime agriculture land and for our flora and fauna?
>>78132029
I thought DC was filled with Obama's children?
>>78131784
>we are in no way comparable to the US regulatory environment
That's only thanks to the relative lack of republican types that spout "small government is inherently better", and the perpetual tug of war with the opposition. If the LNP had their way, we'd be a mirror of the US oligarchy.
>>78129353
>>78131557
for 20% of our energy to come from "green" solar
only 6,863,468km^2 of land is needed.
90% of the country.
so green and feel good.
that is not to mention the unimaginable amount of precious resources that would be needed to facilitate such infrastructure all of which would require mining.
releasing hundreds of millions of tonnes of c02 into the atmosphere along the way, the thing you think is bad.
also they still wont make more energy than it took to create them.
are you starting to see the lunacy of the "green" (marxist) ideology?
>>78131877
>quality of life
By whose standards? Neo-liberal standards which say being an atheist cubicle slave with a big mortgage is the pinnacle of existence.
>>78132049
>>78132049
>they CAN NOT PRODUCE MORE ENERGY THAN THE ENERGY IT COSTS TO MANUFACTURE AND MAINTAIN THEM.
How much could it possibly take to maintain them? You build solar panels and leave them in the empty arid landscape. I'm talking about that giant red area that makes up the majority of our landmass vs the locations of coal mines in rural QLD and NSW. One is suitable for growing crops and herding livestock. The other isn't.
>>78132563
I think they just take opinion polls and look at the census. I dunno
>>78132563
>Neo-liberal boogeyman and other buzzfeed terms
Horrible post. Maybe you'll find more spiritual enlightenment if you went to Pyongyang or other areas.
>>78131877
Too bad it's a soulless boring shithole
>>78132682
>buzzfeed terms
Sass me again and I'll wreck you m8.
>>78132705
I agree, to bad it doesn't have hour long traffic jams, massive amounts of crime and unaffordable property prices. Gee what will we do without it.
>>78132763
Sorry to trigger you mate
>>78130252
>>78130384
Article her from Nationalist Alternative party: https://www.natalt.org/2015/11/25/sharks-scenting-blood-the-zios-and-reclaim-australia/
>>78131877
>Canberra has the highest quality of life of any other city in the WORLD
I guess central planning isn't so bad after all huh libretardians.
>>78132633
Do you have any sources on those numbers? Even still, that's still only taking solar power into account. Combine that with nuclear energy, wind, hydro dams etc we could easily hit at least a respectable RET (if we loosely define "renewable energy" as "anything that isn't fossil fuels"), that thing the LNP think is bad.
My biggest concern with our suckling on coal like a teat is that said teat is eventually going to dry out and wither up, leaving us to starve, and that scares the shit out of me. The one indisputable fact is that coal and oil won't be around forever, and we need to gradually lower our dependence on it and allow our economy to adjust so the rug doesn't catch us off guard when it's swept out from underneath.
awe fuk
Voted ALA 1, Pauline 2
I live in Malcolm Turncoat's electorate so my lower house vote wasn't worth anything
>>78133177
>Malcolm Turncoat's electorate
There is talk that there will be a big swing against him. Maybe it could even be close.
He has really disappointed a lot of people.
>>78133314
A big swing yes, but it's the 2nd safest LNP seat in the country
He will still have a big lead
>>78133177
Ayee I used to live there, my old man is in the Navy so I lived in the navy base in Watson's Bay. Man they were good times.
>>78120674
Ala is the Latin word for wing
>>78133348
What do they actually do out of that base?
That land must be worth something in the 100's of millions, surprised the state government hasn't closed it down and sold it to the Chinese
>>78120674
Nobody cares
>>78132270
The Republicans don't have the same fucking philosophy as the LNP.
The problems with inequality in the US started with the Reagan movement of the 80s to overly-deregulate the economy and Greenspan's Ayn Rand Jew philosophy that caused the financial sector to melt-down and allow CEOs and corporations to pay themselves fuck loads of money.
This is NOTHING like Australia.
>>78133577
It's mostly a training facility with a secret area as well. Not a bad place to live when you're 19.
Man that view was GOAT.
>>78133724
What sort of secret area?
>>78133829
Dunno mate, shit that was underground. Operations maybe? I only lived there when I was 8-10
>>78124779
YES! VERY KOSHER!
>>78133633
>burgerclap
>thinks his opinion is fact and that he can speak for everybody because burgerland is the only country
In other news; blacks love fried chicken
>>78133123
I don't know if the numbers are online, I read them in Dr. Iam Plimers book "Not for Greens".
I would highly recommend you give it a read. there may be an ebook copy you could find and i will tel lyou the page numbers but otherwise I'm not typing it all out. he goes into great detail about exactly these issues.
What is the point of having a renewable energy target if all it leads to is wasted money, land, resources and MORE carbon dioxide?
there are vast amounts of coal left, there are orders of magnitude more undiscovered, technology for getting the most of mining is aleways improving opening up new energy reserves (ie coal seam gas, horizontal drilling and fracking and oil shales) the likes of which are only not used because it is uneconimical to do so.
when coal becomes more scarce, prices go up and so does the incentive to use these more expensive methods of energy production which leads to innovation and improved efficiency and effectiveness and more technological breakthroughs unlocking new energy possibilities.
also this is again ignoring the most logical, safe, environmetally friendly and obvious choice for our countries energy in nuclear power stations.
>>78122718
Rise Up Australia seem to be pretty Frank with their attitude against Sharia Law and Muslim (or any other ethnic) enclave.
They hate the term Multicultural.
They want it to be Multi-Ethnic - Australian Culture.
Economically the seem a bit off whack (to me but I ain't no professor of finance)
I put a two beside them in the senate
>>78133123
I actually work in Coal at the moment and even I hope we get away from this shit within a few decades.
>>78120674
LDPLDPLDPLDPLDPLDP
>>78134373
what do you do?
Family First in the Reps and One Nation in the Senate.
>>78130434
>We don't need more and more spent on hospitals and schools. Throwing money on schools does nothing to increase educational achievement.
Throwing money on hospitals and schools allows for more spending on equipment and opens job opportunities for teachers, doctors, nurses etc, as well as higher pay for these crucial roles
>Source plz. I find this hard to believe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3351301/How-does-country-rank-climate-change-Denmark-tops-report-national-climate-policies-Australia-Saudi-Arabia-bring-rear.html
https://germanwatch.org/en/download/13626.pdf
Turns out we beat Kazakhstan as well, placing us at 3rd worst according to the climate change performance index.
>Besides, my NBN isn't bad at all, and something like 90% of people with NBN don't even use the highest speed packages available to them.
It might not seem bad because it's better than anything we've had before, but it's still lagging behind and will soon be obsolete,meaning we will have to replace it in the near future if we hope to catch up with the rest of the developed world in net speed.
>Who are they fucking over? LMFAO. Did you just throw this in? THey barely changed anything with healthcare.
I said PROPOSALS. Things that WOULD fuck people over if they ever got through. Expressed interest in deregulation of medical fees and introduction of co-payments (effectively a "sickness tax") come to mind.
>>78134719
Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha
>>78134719
This seems to be the standard /pol/ vote
I'm not even a citizen, don't have to vote and work for Bob Katter's campaign. I'd vote for him but then I'd have to vote for the rest of my life.
>>78134516
Without getting too specific
Gas Extraction (but not the in situ combustion type)
Previously I was in Coal exploration (so actually looking for reserves)
Obviously it puts food on my table but still, I reckon it's a dirty fuel (Coal itself Nat gas is OK). I'll find other work if I have to
Threadly reminder that the LDP is looking out for your freedom with sensible, nuanced immigration polices, light gun laws, small government, and low taxes.
>>78135278
>your freedom
I don't want any more freedom. I want identity and fellowship now.
1.Family First
2.Rise Up
3.Liberal
>senate
Pauline Hanson's One Nation
ALA
Family First
Shooters
Nick Xenophobe
CDP
etc.
>>78135579
Looks good m8. I like that you included Nick X.
>>78126668
>smaller government
Literally how?
>>78135692
It's not so much that I care for his policies but it looks like he has a decent chance at amassing power which open doors for the next election.
For the same reason I had PUP high at tthe last federal election even though I knew the party was a disaster in the making.
It's sometimes better to vote strategically than to vote based on your ideologies. I convinced some of my mates in Labor:Green seats to vote Green 1.
>>78135725
Shrink ray like in Space Quest 2.
>>78135907
Yes my sentiments exactly m8. I will do whatever harms the major parties most. Whatever threatens the system, the status quo.
House of Reps
1. Labor
2. Animal Justice
3. Liberal Democrats
4. Greens
5. Nationals
6. Christians
Senate a mix of
Liberal Democrats
Labor
Science
Xenophon
ALA
Sustainable Australia
>>78136010
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>78135383
This. Honestly I'd be happy in a NatSoc country with less of the exterminating and invading. I'd rather the people be unified and proud, working together as a collective without any multiculturalism or special snowflake bullshit. With strict immigration policies, castle laws, bigger government with heavy regulations, and sufficient taxes to meet the needs of the nation. Where strength and good health are encouraged, because we're all working together to build and maintain our civilization. No petty squabbles in parliament where nothing gets done, political correctness is shunned in favor of hard evidence, and where the select few don't buy the politicians to push their own agenda. No more selling our land and resources to the Chinese and putting our jobs overseas.
One government by the people, for the people. Unfortunately it will likely never happen because people immediately associate it with the 6 trillion jews.
What is some arbitrary definition of freedom worth against that?
>>78136010
>1. Labor
>>78136421
>a NatSoc country with less of the exterminating and invading
Yeah, we'll need to finish off the abos though.
>>78136421
>>>/North Korea/
>>78136421
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Monarchy is far superior as rather than the people selecting their leader, they are bred the perfect leader.
>>78136480
Nationals haven't done shit for my electorate. I want my Labor candidate back
>>78136534
>they are bred the perfect leader.
Strewth m8 you obviously haven't read much history and seen some of the inbred psycho cunts who have worn crowns.
>>78136513
Not White. Also a shithole due in large part to being non-White.
>>78136497
Or even just end the agreement that they're not expected to integrate into our society because "muh guilt". Make them conform with the rest of Aus civilization and be productive through gradual grooming.
Alternatively, we could just go with the "breed them out" plan we had back when Europe first settled here, if we really want to go the genocide route without things getting grizzly.
>>78121874
>>78123178
No, If New Zealand joined Australia it would still be just Australia. New Zealand would be split in half and would be North Island Territory and South Island Territory
>>78136513
>poverty
>starvation
>brainwashing
>fear and tyranny over its own citizens
All of which is sad because otherwise they're really similar to NatSoc Germany
Wasn't rise up Australia the party that wanted to ban Nazi literature, "re evacuate" neo nazis and jail them and make denial of the holocaust a crime.
One of these meme parties lots of you are putting in recently changed their webpage and removed that bit about Jews
labor all the way. anyone who votes independents is retarded.
>>78136757
Man I'd love to see our territory expand even a little. We really ought to take Indonesia and PNG too, remove Islamb and Sharia Law, and make them the Australian Pacific States or something.
>All these FriendlyJordies shills ITT
Pathetic
>>78123381
>Christian party wants internet censorship
>they are trying to free you from enslavement be restricting your access to freedom
>>78137191
>banned by Dredd
>>78136942
they are good shabbos goyim. they are dumb faggot israel lovers.
>>78137258
>they are trying to free you from enslavement be restricting your access to freedom
Yes this is actually true.
>>78137191
friendlyjordies is right though
>>78137155
Retake Papua new Guinea under guise of "Peace keeping" since we owned it after ww1
New Zealand can be peacefully persuaded to join us. aka infiltrate them
Indonesia false flag attack on East timor means we can annax the rest of Timor and Indonesia
Rate my plan
>>78136942
>NZ and everything south of Malaysia is Australia
See I'd like that to be true in more ways than just continental boundaries. We could always use more territory and habitable land.
>>78137386
>Muh appeals to emotion, highlighted paragraph of an article out of context and incomplete graphs are definitive examples so vote labor because liberals are meanie racists
>ps totally not on the union pay roll lads
>>78136480
>tfw more than 40% of the country will vote this way
>>78137617
>more than 40% of the country
lol no they will never got more than 40% of the primary vote ever again. They are in the low 30s now.
>>78137433
10/10 would follow the great leader. NZ are bros, but I wonder what kind of persuasion it would take. We would need to demonstrate our will to spread territory and convince them it's in their best interest.
>>78137682
I hear a lot of smalltalk from people of all demographics and the attitudes will not change anytime soon.
>"Labor is the party for workers, all tradies vote Labor. The Liberals are for the rich and big business. Voting for the other parties is crazy, we'd doom the country"
>"I don't really follow politics but I've always been a Labor voter, my parents were Labor voters"
>>78137801
>NZ are bros
They hate us m8.
>>78137339
what, whytiederp is here? next you'll be telling us v_maet is in our midst.
>>78137433
Kek.
>>78137916
Maybe in the way brothers hate each other, but they're still our friendly neighborhood sheepshaggers
>>78120674
Lower house we're a safe Liberal seat - Joe Hockey's my ex member (yay :/ ) So my vote will only act as a statistics booster.
Probably 1 James Coffey (Science Party), 2 Stephen Ruff (Ind), 3 Arthur Chesterfield-Evans (Greens), 4 Daniel Leahy (LDP), 5 Peter Hayes (Labor), 6 Trent Zimmerman (Liberal, incumbent), 7 Eddy Ku (Family First), 8 Sharon Martin (CDP)
In the senate I always vote below the line, so did you want my full one or two hundred list? :)
Online Direct Democracy will be headlining, followed by Pirate Party and any acceptable other minors and independents. Then Xenophon, Greens, LDP, Labor, then Coalition, then nutjob minors/independents (basically religious right mostly)
>House of Reps
Family First
Independent
Liberal
(the rest)
Greens
>Senate
Family First
CDP
ALA
SFF
One Nation
LDP
AMEP
PUP
Liberal
>>78138244
>Kek.
Praise him.
>>78137899
Sad but true. I hate demographic voting
And unfortunately its the major parties that are dooming the country, not the minors. The minors are the only ones with the incentive to actually do their job and represent us.
>>78138346
No they really hate us.
>>78136757
There's no way NZ would accept territory status. We'd have to give them full statehood, probably two states, to swing it. They'd want more say than a territory gets.
>>78137433
Bring it on.
NT absorbed back into SA while we're at it.
>>78137899
I used to vote Labor so did Dad neither of us will be this election. There is always a fair percentage of swinging voters to be won over by either party (and sometimes by neither) I'm blue collar (orange collar I guess they call us)
Lotta tradies are small businesses too. Three of my mates have really enjoyed Malc's tax write offs (mechanic, plasterer, machine owner/operator)
so it's not always just blue collar white collar. Or a swing from Lab means a swing to Lib automatically
>78120674
You might as well vote for the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party. They actually have actually elected a Senator...
>>78138524
Fuck off southerner Mexico overrun by Top Australia more like
>>78138402
>mfw no FF candidate in my seat
>>78120674
You are essentially voting for three dogs and a monkey locked in a closet
>>78138734
Is it a happy face m8?
They are creepy buggers usually.
>>78135278
>sensible, nuanced immigration polices
TIL open borders is sensible
>>78138820
I'm no libertarian, but on the whole the LDP (and Leyonhjelm) are reasonably honest and open about what they believe and how they intend to vote. Their deeds match their actions mostly. For that I can respect them.
>>78121592
>>78121625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Council_of_Australasia
>>78138945
They sold their senate ballot spot to some wog for cash m8.
>>78132563
Solar's fine for individual use, but on a wide-scale level, nuclear's the way to go
>>78138945
I don't want immigration quotas removed, and neither should you
>>78139060
Self-raising flour is no substitute for yeast in a loaf of bread.
>>78139060
Personally I think there should be a complete moratorium on immigration for a while but I just meant at least the LDP aint as slippery as the coalition or labor. Or the greens.
>>78139180
They're definitely better than Labor, Libs and the Greens, no argument there, I just think ALA's a better way to go
>>78139194
Poorly shilled m8. Not enough pixels in your image.
>>78139060
The LDP's policy removing quotas won't result in more immigration. It will result in less.
If the LDP's immigration policy was enacted it would look like this:
>To move to australia you have to pay $50,000
>You are then allowed to become a permanent resident
>Permanent residents are not allowed to receive welfare or get a passport and if they commit crimes they are deported
>To be eligible to for australian citizenship you must live in australia for 10 years, have a clean criminal record, pass a citizenship test, prove you are working and plan on continuing to work and have connections with the australian community or you are denied.
Now you may be thinking "but they talk about 'free immigration agreements' what is that?"
Well that means selected countries deemed culturally compatible don't have to pay the $50,000 fee. So countries like New Zealand, Canada and Britain, don't have to pay $50,000 but they still have the same restrictions as other permanent residents and are unable to mooch off welfare etc.
>>78137583
spoken like someone who is totally clueless.
he doesn't even appeal to emotion. stfu fag.
>>78139912
They have explicitly said that 'humanitarian reasons' will permit people to get in without paying the tariff. That, plus removing quotas means that it'll be worse than when Labor scrapped the Pacific Solution.
Don't be so naïve.
>>78139310
Says the faggot who has been shilling for the labor party.
You're a dumb cunt and you've done nothing but talk shit the entire thread.
>>78140156
David Leyonhjelm has also said that african and islamic cultures are incompatible with australia many times.
And besides, I'm putting LDP followed by ALA, Australia first, family first and one nation.
>>78140200
Good post
>>78140200
nuffin wrong with labor partie matey they look out for us hard workin peoples
>>78140200
lol butthurt
>>78140534
No major party looks out for any one but themselves. Its an inherent property of the party system
>>78140387
Fair enough, I just hope you understand why I'm sceptical
>>78140394
kys
>>78140606
retard alert
>>78140606
yea mate they get sum and we gets sum
its quid pro queue
>>78140620
>>>r/australia
I'm planning on drawing dicks on the paper really. Who cares what politician you get, they're all cunts.
>>78140789
You're part of the problem
>>78140789
I have one of those "smuggies" that makes fun of your edgy bullshit cliched statement m8 but I can't be bothered looking for it.
but just pretend you saw it.
>>78140534
How? By being in bed with the fucking greens?
Or is it opening up the flood gates to a european style refugee crisis that is good for us "hard workin peoples"?
You fucking idiot.
How about you actually explain why you would support them beyond "they're good"
How are they good you numbskull?
does the ALA want to privatise government services and end/cut medicare etc?
>>78120674
I'm voting labour, I bet most of the people voting liberal in this thread are just falling for the propaganda Murdoch has shoved down their throat..
>>78120674
LDP
>>78140940
4/10 bait
>>78140650
How so?
A parliamentarian that is a member of a party owes their loyalty first and foremost to the party, not their constituents. This is inherently undemocratic.
>>78140698
They get some power and kickbacks and we get some bills and oppressive laws and raised taxes for naught. And we keep voting for these two mobs!
>>78140894
One could say the same about the Libs being in bed with "the fucking Nationals" btw.
>>78140789
whoo whose a funny liddle bugga
if u wanna keep your job after shorty wins u better get your shit to gether an pay up your dues
>>78140894
ay lookey here we gets the money from the miners an carbon taxes and spread it aroun it makes life good then ay wot
>>78140912
>We recognise the cost of our healthcare system increases by an average 8% per year. Taxes and levies cannot grow indefinitely at the same rate. Therefore we have to differentiate between needy Australian citizens and deserving senior residents on one hand, and those who can afford to contribute more and foreign nationals on the other.
Liberal Democrats
Australian Labor Party
Consumer Rights & No-Tolls
The Greens
Katter's Australian Party
Liberal National Party of Queensland
Family First
>>78140595
Yeah good one retard.
>>78140612
Of course, a lot of people are, but mostly it's because they haven't gone to the trouble of reading the full policy outline, and they've just read a few lines on the website which they've misinterpreted. That's why I read the full policy and summarized it in a simple way like that for people to better understand what it actually means in practice.
>>78140789
They're probably interpret it as a vote for the greens.
>>78140844
Its a problem that can't be fixed m8, whoever you vote in they'll do something retarded to fuck the country up, you can't stop it. They all do it.
>>78120674
That's a pretty baller logo for a political party.
>>78130252
Look for it yourself you piece of shit
>>78138524
Nah doubt it.
There's only 3 reasons people choose to live in the NT:
>easy guns
>fireworks
and
>Paul's Iced Coffee
SA has none of those.
>>78141106
code for R.I.P medicare
no way I'm voting for them
>>78141166
>the free movement of people is not only a basic human right but also contributes to economic growth [...] Immigrant nations such as America, Australia, New Zealand and Canada have benefited enormously from high levels of immigration.
What am I misinterpreting here?
>>78141320
They're saying that subsidised healthcare should go to those who need it.
>>78141374
>the free movement of people is not only a basic human right
>a basic human right
Kill them. Kill them all.
>>78141081
The nats stop the liberals from going full lolbritarian and if they had more power there would be less Chinese buying up the country.
Honestly I think most other nationalities on /pol/ would beg for a government like ours
>>78141374
that's what they want you to think. they're saying medicare is expensive therefore we will cut it and only the most needy will get it. that's just the start
>>78141081
>Nationals
Except the greens are the worst party in the country to vote for since unlike even shitter open border faggot parties the greens have actually amassed significant influence.
>>78141098
Are you a diagnosed retard? You speak english worse than a first generation vietnamese immigrant.
Also, the carbon tax is imposed under the grounds that it is somehow helping the environment but you just admitted that it is actually about redistribution of wealth. It won't do anything to help "hard workin peoples" it's taking money from them and giving it to doll bludgers, a large and increasing percentage under labors immigration policy will be shitty immigrants who can't speak english and have no interest in working and just want free shit.
>>78141291
im not the one continuously making the claim you fuckwit.
>>78121755
I hate how they all name themselves so poorly.
>>78128417
>>batshit retarded NBN plan, utilizing obsolete, high-maintenence technology making us the nation with the 60th slowest internet speed on Earth
Trying to explain abbots plan to my friends at the time was physically painful, it's not like there's anyone worth voting for in australia atm though.
How much of a dumb blue pilled cunt do you have to be to vote labor haha
>>78141605
whoo you callin retarded scab? you been gettin good pay from our negotiations, we get good benfits from those slimey bosses for ya so you better check yoself or davey'll be here an he wont be happy
>>78128767
Better than Gillard's, I bet.
>>78141842
It's got a Richer Meatier flavour
so it says on the box
>>78141780
babby's first day on /pol/
>>78141795
Kek
I cannot believe how well you're doing
>>78141982
Found the slimy socialist..
an that goes for th rest of u free loadin scabs u all better visit ur local branches n get full paid memberships quick fukn smart otherwise shorty'll rain hell fire on ya'll there'll be no tiket no fucken job and yuo better vote for ya fuken ALP member or we gonga have a chat about your workplace saftey alrigte
>>78141602
The start of what? Tell us where you see the slippery slope leading to
Not for or against this or any argument tonight btw. just tell us what you think their endgame is
>>78142158
Good post
>>78131086
>The German NatSoc government was fucking huge and turned Germany from a withered husk into a superpower in under a decade.
Big governments are wartime governments, unless you want to invade new zealand or guinea it's better not to be paying for some civil servant to sit around in a cubicle watching youtube videos.
>>78141374
Like I just said. You're reading one line off the website and freaking out.
Here's the actual policy.
http://www.ldp.org.au/files/hey%23come28/Policy_immigration.pdf
If you want to save yourself some time I already summarized it for you. >>78139912
If you don't trust me go ahead and read it.
What you are misinterpreting is that it means shit people will be allowed to enter the country like what has happened to europe or america with obama granting asylum to the mexicans.
Australia did improve with american, australia, new zealand and canada did benefit from high levels of immigration but mostly because it was majority from europe and other compatible nations and people who wanted to work.
Australia would benefit from more of those people. We still have a very small population. There's only 23 million people here. Japan has 127 million. England has 53 million and those places are fucking tiny. Even canada has 35 million.
A few more people willing to work who fit in with the culture wouldn't hurt.
tl;dr: You're misinterpreting it as "we're going to allow muzzies, niggers and chinks to run rampant"
>Labor's hardest hitting campaign strat is blatant lie
They don't even hide the fact that they're lying about the libs on medicare, they're just banking on people falling for it and it is actually working.
>Voting Labor because of education, environment, housing and royal commission into banking.
>Minor parties are irrelevant
>Under coalition Australia is losing $6b annual revenue due to multinational tax dodge
>>78142301
>it is actually working.
Not from what I've seen tbqhwyf
>>78142247
It's always wartime nowadays. There's never not a conflict (or reason to start a conflict) to take advantage of.
Why are so many of you cunts up Katter's ass?
Agrarian socialism is fucking stupid
>>78142301
No different to Libs lying about Labor bringing back the boats.
JUST STICK WITH THE CURRENT MOB PHAM, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE #faketradie
>>78142301
>lying about the libs on medicare
Also "muh 100k uni degrees" and 15% GST
>>78142443
0/10 bait
>>78142443
Great choice! Although the Greens would be better,
>>78136942
That's one gay lookin' planet
>>78142301
Not really. Malcolm pretty much admitted on Q&A the other night that he basically wants to privatise all the bits of medicare while leaving the shell technically under govt control.
So the "they'll privatise medicare" bit isn't a lie, it is a simplification
>>78142512
It is known that Labor is divided on immigration policy, for fucks sake their deputy leader Tanya Plibersek is in the wrong party and should be in the Greens. I honestly predict that they will cave into the >muh feels argument, if we were so unfortunate as to be elected.
>>78136703
Even in Sweden they used to sterilise minorities. Give em the dole as compensation
>>78142443
>Voting Labor
>>78142512
>No different to Libs lying about Labor bringing back the boats
You do release roughly half of the Labor party align more with Greens on immigration, right? It's just Shorten that doesn't
>#faketradie
inb4 he's an actual welder
>>78142293
LDP would make it incredibly hard for free loading turd world trash to survive here.
For starters they would need to pay 50k + for the visa (per person)
They are not eligible for citizenship or welfare until 10 years has expired.
It weeds out alot of the garbage we have flooding in today and parasiting off the Australian tax payer.
>>78142546
Yeh and the main one he said "outsource the payment system" has been supported by the AMA.
Cause like all govt run depts it's inefficient as fuck
>>78142629
Actually this is a really fucking good idea. Have a bonus added to the dole for people who voluntarily get sterilised. Can still get it after kids but heavily penalised.
Incentivise the poor tp not breed.
>>78142293
>The LDP believes it is possible to combine a more open immigration system with sufficient limits and controls so as to reduce the potential costs of immigration.
Why not just closed borders though?
>>78142666
>>78142619
I don't disagree with what you say about Labor, however it is also 100% true that easily half the Libs would abandon or privatize Medicare if they could
It is literally no different to the Medicare 'lie'
>>78142722
There's no technical reason why anything a private corp would do to improve the payments system couldn't be done under govt auspices, except political will.
>>78142158
>anybody who doesn't suck rupert murdorch's cock is a socialist
kill yourself retard
>>78131086
>came out of relatively unscathed under labor
It was never going to affect Oz much whatever Labor did. We didn't have the sub-prime lending vulnerability of the US, we didn't have the huge debt hangover of Europe's decades of leftish governments, and our major trading partner China was at that time going gangbusters, oblivious to the looming fizzle-out that we are now seeing. Rudd & Co just pissed billions up against the wall to no purpose other than to convince the gullible that they had saved the day for Australia.
>>78142475
There's no one to fight though.
>tfw no party will ever tax religion, reform the hex debt/ medicare bullshit or close the borders.
>>78142841
Have you ever met a public servant in your life?
>>78142927
I live in Canberra mate, most do absolutely fuck all and are utterly useless.
so where's all the good porn on this website? looking for some first person images of Allah sucking dick
>>78142987
Watch it, you'll trigger all the Labor supporters here
>>78142870
I didn't say that, you ignorant fucking moron.
You're literally a socialist, no ifs or buts about it you dumb fuck.
Why anyone on this board votes LPA this year astounds me.
They want to privatise and gut every decent service we have for their (((friends))).
I'm voting fucking Greens for Libs. Greens will bankrupt the country but at least we'll have some fucking bang for our buck.
LPA will sell Australia to the Chinese and that will be the end of it.
>>78142841
So you would support the idea of reform then?
But would you let a Liberal Government undertake that reform...
>>78142927
Yeah. Public service needs a boot in the arse.
>>78142808
Because good smart white people with there own wealth who want to come here and work are actually a really good thing.
The reason immigration is bad is because governments keep giving priority to the turd world.
>>78142981
Got any other exciting Liberal party talking points? all union members are bludgers? all union bosses are corrupt? job creators are all good, hardworking people?
>>78142870
>Strawmans
>>78143060
does it hurt to be that retarded
>>78143078
Nope. See above. I don't support EITHER major party having control
Reform should be done though yes.
>>78120674
Mate, ALA are morons. A vote that counts is for a cross bench senator that is Issue based (obv hard to find)
Xenaphon claims to be, but he would destroy 10,000 Victorian jobs f it meant 200 in SA.
>>78143075
((((((((Greens))))))))
>>78143126
>white
>Singapore, Hong Kong
>>78143197
>he would destroy 10,000 Victorian jobs f it meant 200 in SA
Sadly, this is true about Xenophob
>>78143145
> Hurr I'm voting labor but I'm not a socialist.
Tell us all how your doublethink works m8
>>78143197
Well then put your suggestions down if you're just gonna shit on everyone else's.
>>78143132
I live, talk, and work with public servants every fucking day. And I am telling you, most of them are useless who couldn't give a damn about their job because they know they can't get fired. The self-entitlement is also staggering. Fuck off friendlyjordies back to r/Australia.
>>78143286
>If he's not voting liberal he's voting labor
truly retarded
>>78143060
>socialism is bad meme
>Oy vey, Sheckelstein! We can only survive under capitalist monopolizing of basic human necessities and creating divisive wealth-based social classes goyim!
Socialism is only bad when you have abos and mudshit families of 20+ abusing welfare.
Reminder that ALA does not support gun rights.
Just vote LDP and be done with it
>>78143382
>Give me all your money goy, I know how best to spend it for you
Fuck off Marxist
>>78121755
Labor
>>78143261
Aye, they're both traitorous scum. But what am I getting for LPA selling this country to chinks and Jews?
Sweet fuck all. All that money is going to their friends.
Greens are also going to cuck this nation to Jews and Muslims. But they also promise a whole lot of other shit.
So fuck them both, but ESPECIALLY fuck the LPA.
>>78143382
No socialism is ALWAYS bad and leads to turf war morass, no exceptions. Not in 6000 years
>>78143341
Yes yes more vague anecdotes and talking points, I'm totes convinced, will be voting 1 Liberal Party on election day kek
Most of them are normal employees like the ones you find in any business. A fuckton of them are on temporary contracts or IIE (Casual) work and DO get fired regularly. Most of them aren't union members and just want to get on with whatever menial task they do.
>>78143261
>Singapore, Hong Kong
OH NO NOT THE WESTERISED WEALTHY ASIANS!!
Yeah, they aren't a problem mate.
>>78143132
You're doing the exact same thing as you are accusing the other poster of doing.
"hurr libs h8 da unions n shit' 'Labor is 4 da people you corporate shill'
You are the sort of person that cannot detach themselves from the social/competitive element of politics that has allowed the last week to be "they are lying to you....no they are lying to you"
>>78143341
Just thinking about unionism, the public service or admin staff at all in this country makes me sick
>>78143546
Whatever you say, cuck
>>78142505
>Agrarian socialism is fucking stupid
The status quo is worse.
>>78127861
They're not privatising Medicare. The idea of privatising the PAYMENT section only was thrown about but Turdbull scurried away from that quick smart. Medicare runs billions into the red, noone would buy it. I'd go the increased surveillance state, INCREASING taxes and the SJW marching on as strong as ever as more legitimate reasons to put One Nation, LDP, ALA etc above them.
>>78143494
Pretty much this.
Libs = ((corporatist)) corruption
Labs = unionist corruption
Greens = muh fugees
ALA, LDP et al. all have good and bad things about them, and they're sure as hell better than the major parties
>>78143559
Not really, as I said, Labor is clearly lying about Medicare in the sense that its not an actual policy. Welcome to politics. Liberals are lying about union corruption and boats starting again under Labor.
Politicians lie.
I vote Labor because I am working-class and am not a business owner so it makes sense for me to support a workers party rather than a party which specifically caters to business owners.
I'm not being hypocritical at all.
>>78143595
Yeah you're right, because a few of these people are going to be a huge problem for australia...
>>78143726
That makes it the perfect slush bucket for corporatist parasites. Money gets thrown at it and its *expected* to be a financial black hole.
>>78128083
>that's why we have a thriving private health insurance industry.
We have a thriving private health insurance industry because the ghost of John Howard will wring your pockets out if you don't get it.
>>78143921
Pretty much yeah, if your system is so good, you don't need to literally threaten people with absurd taxation to force them to buy it. That is America-tier.
>>78143446
>all your money
>a small percentage of income, corporate profit, etc
>all your money
How does it feel to be so blatantly wrong? I'm sure you hate those government funded police, fire, emergency medicine, and infrastructure departments.
>MY house has never been on fire, why should I have to contribute to a basic need of society? I'd rather have a few more sheckels in my pocket
>>78143825
Sensible comment.
I am voting very different to (you) btw
And I'm blue collar (orange collar I guess they call us)
>>78143595
Nothing wrong with a well functioning union system
>>78144150
It's what seperates us from the Chinese.
>>78143726
You trust that slimy cunt Malcolm?
I bet you believe Hillary when she said she told Wall Street to "cut it out" in 2008.
You're delusional if you think that Malcolm's plan is anything except privatise, sell and distribute the profits to his (((friends))).
>>78144115
So you're pretty much voting to try to minimize the tax you pay on a presumably high income? I'm only making ~$80k in a quasi-government job, so that isn't really a priority for me at least
>>78144004
Absurd taxation
Im paying the Levy, for about $400 a year in extra tax I get a service I am well happy with. I literally cannot justify taking out private cover. Even last tax time I hired an accountant to suss it out for me and she said yeh, you're better off just paying the Levy...
>>78143825
>Liberals are lying about union corruption
But they're not.
>>78144150
>Nothing wrong with Marxism :^)
>>78144290
Turncoat is more of a scumfuck than Shortface. I'm not a religious person but even I miss Abbott
>>78144290
Liberals are all out of ideas. They will not upset boomers so negative gearing and any means-testing of the aged pension is out of the equation. Who cares if granny has a $3m inner-Sydney 6br house, she shouldn't have to pay for her retirement like you'll have to, goy.
Also will likely follow standard Liberal line of hocking off any asset we still own and cutting infrastructure/health/education spending to the bone and then crowing about what a good economic manager he is.
>>78144368
A balance of factors is important. An entirely union-dominated economy would work as poorly as a corporate-dominated economy. The play between the two is how you find a happy middle ground
>>78144368
They pretty much are. The extent of union corruption (as in illegal, not just unsavoury) is about the same as in business. Pretty much exclusively limited to the CFMEU and even then only tiny parts of it.
It is hilarious that 10 (TEN, 10 fucking 10) Liberal MPs from NSW were forced to resign after ICAC found they were corrupt in dealings with developers and others, but the Libs have the gall to point the finger at the fucking unions kek
Despite a royal commission by a Liberal donor and member, good ole Dyson couldn't even find any corruption outside of tiny pockets of the CFMEU.
>>78137936
not after 8pm. Their stepdad's taking them to the zoo.
>>78144623
>tiny pockets of the CFMEU.
Pretty fat pockets though m8 if you get my drift wink wink
>>78144716
kek, I do I do, but srsly. The Libs literally spent tens of millions on a commission for Dyson to literally say 'YEAH M8S IT'D BE GOOD IF THE UNIONS COULD JUST BE NICER TO BUSINESS, ALSO THE CFMEU IS DODGY IN PARTS, END OF COMMISSION"
Money well spent. Budget crisis, what budget crisis?
>>78144368
I like Tony but as >>78144410 said, the Libs are out of ideas and even if we had Tony he would be pressured into pulling the same shit that Malcolm is.
Our only hope to is to pack the Senate with independent senators. Make them negotiate.
You want to give some $$$ to your friends Malcolm? Well fine, but you're going to have to give something to us first.
A mini coalition of nationalists and nationalist leaning in the senate would be a dream. We don't even need that many, just a couple.
>>78136596
Most of history was carried by the monarchy. All other forms have been proven to fail under stress.
Of course, now with our modern understanding, we know that Inbred children are fucked up and should never have power. It can be improved upon. If we want to subjects based on unrelated substance, then we can judge National Socialism on it's inability to deal with the adversity it was up against, and we can judge democracy on the corruption of the Greek system.
>>78144309
No, not a high income at all. And I've had a pretty tight couple years too
Orange Collar jobs are way down at the moment mate, heaps of people from
m ining and energy have just plain had to give it up inb4 violins I admit it was good while it lasted
Actually I work for a small business, a mate is an owner operator, a family member is a Self employed tradie (so again a small business owner), things like that.
I look around, times are tight, the mining booms dying off, jobs are getting scarce etc. But I don't want a fucking handout cause of that, I want jobs to go to, jobs and Growth.
way before the campaign started the Liberal party was talking up their plan to reshape our future, and I started tuning in then. I tend to try ignore the campaign bullshit cause as you said, they Lie and Lie.
So you are right, I voted on self interest, but of a different sort.
what's with the photo is that me getting smashed by you or something. I actually thought your comment was sensible, that wasn't facetiousness
Ive said it on other posts too, ive probably just been bullshitted and brainwashed one way and not the other.
>>78138820
it isn't open you mong. You need to have dosh, skills, a combination of both, or a genuine humanitarian case.
>>78145103
>a genuine humanitarian case
Who is going to pay for the lifestyles of these useless cunts?
>>78145254
Them if they want to stay.
>>78144368
Well actually we do have a few things we need to thank the unions for too
inb4 penalty rates
Actually a lot of the basic workplace rights regarding OHS, minimum wage, fair hours, discrimination, the ombudsman, leave, etc. From the eighties and nineties.
>>78145103
>a genuine humanitarian case
Vote for the fucking Greens if you care so much
>>78145283
>unions did a good thing once therefore they can do no wrong and are immune from all criticism
>>78144506
Yep.
>>78145277
How can you deport them if they have a "genuine humanitarian case"?
>>78142301
The people that tried to bring in co-payments, that sold off Medibank, that introduced private health cover, that while maximising costs for health services and the profits of multi-nationals, have in no way improved health as a whole. The people that have made a temporary freeze on public GP costs a permanent one.
The fact that the cunts said the same thing before the last election: "no changes to medicare" but still tried to do it, apparently based on a mandate they never had. But now, after trying their hardest to white ant the system for 30 years, we should believe them?
>>78145706
>implying medicare co-payments are a bad thing
>>78145355
Nice dubs but that not what i said
I had more too but this phone is really starting to chunk up.
See the balance comment above. We need the Unions to regulate the workers rights and we need Government to regulate Unions. who will watch the watchers and all that.
Do you honestly want big business to determine every aspect of your (my) employment
Admittedly Ive never paid dues so I am in fact a scab...
>>78145790
No, I'm saying that worker's rights shouldn't be determinant on a pay-for system run by corrupt pricks who are just in it for themselves
>never paid dues
Good
>>78145771
$5 co-payments became $7 co-payment within 3 months. Thin slice of the wedge and all that.
I'm not some dead shit Newstart queen with a kid with Lymphoma, so it's no skin of my nose, but people are in different situations.
>>78145407
>>78145407
By putting them on a fucking boat.
>>78146066
>a fucking boat.
So a P&O Cruise then?
>>78146042
$7 will stop all the degenerates complaining about having a 'sore back' or 'anxiety' so they can get out of work
>>78146304
and $50 will stop everybody without private health insurance and a full-time job from surviving tetanus.
>wants to make year 12 math and science prerequisites to getting into any uni course
>wants to destroy the future of the leftist ideology at it's roots
Is he playing a chess while we're playing checkers? Is the leftist schtick a temporary cover before the invevitable based bantz Mal to return?
>>78146407
:^)
