Why do Millenials love Socialists when Socialism has been proven time and time again not to work?
>>78103302
Cause DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO
They think nordic countries are socialist
>>78103302
Because they're young, dumb, and full of dreams that con artists love to take advantage of.
>>78103436
arent they? srs question
>>78103302
Because gibsmedats
>>78103302
>Socialism has been proven time and time again not to work
That wasn't real socialism. The particular brand of socialism I'm thinking of has never been tried before :^)
Because capitalism replaced feudalism it's only inevitable that it will be replaced by socialism.
>>78103302
https://youtu.be/aR4MvD9IEAE
because they have been sold the 'soft' side of socialism, all the good parts and none of the genocidal parts.
>Sanders
>"""""""""""""""socialism"""""""""""""""
Waiting for lefty/pol/ to show up and start spouting his "labor value" BS
I have to deal with this from my brother as well. Socialism has been tried and it works for a short time, but only if we keep the borders strictly closed.
>>78103302
> millenials
>>78103521
having socialist policies =/= socialism
>>78103302
Social democracy =/= socialism
>>78103642
Nice meme
>>78104221
>that image
ebin strawman
>>78103302
Here I am just wanting a glorious meme God Emperor where we purge the planet of xenos.
Is that really too much to ask for?
>>78103521
No.
Socialism is when the government basically owns the entire economy, the resources, the means of production, etc.
Nordic countries have large social nets, and such. They also have crazy high taxes, but they don't officially have state control of corporations.
There is one thing though, most Nordic companies shares are owned by their respective governments. For example, the largest Nordic company is statoil, and 67% of it's shares are owned by the Norwegian government. So there is a serious element of state control, but it works for them because:
1: Tiny homogeneous communities.
2: A culture that doesn't care for innovation and competition
3: A culture that likes the way it is and is xenophobic AF.
>>78106803
>implying it's not true.
Just accept that lefties like socialism because they're massive losers who would have loved to not have worked. Bernie the cuck, didn't have a job until he was 40, here's his 1980 resume. Look at how bare it is, i have more stuff on my resume at about half his age.
>>78103642
that could be said about anything. i.e.
The particular brand of socialism/capitalism/monarcy/communism/no government...... I'm thinking of has never been tried before
>>78103302
Socialism is literally racist.
>>78103521
>means of production firmly in private hands
>businesses that are owned by state are still run as if they were owned by private citizens - state just owns stocks like a bank or an investor would
>corporate tax is almost half the US rate
>property rights protected by law
I don't know man, you tell me.
>>78103302
Honestly, I get the feeling a lot of millennials are brainwashed into their beliefs.
They don't look at things and form their opinions, they just listen to what others tell them.
>>78103302
smokin weed makes you feel more sort of lovely and loving
not really accepting the nuts and bolts of life
>>78103302
I should preface by saying I was born in 87 so im a millennial but I hate the term because it's associated with a bunch if fuckwits.
Anyway, I think it's because young people are naive and they think they're so much smarter than everyone who came before them so they think these stupid ideas that have been tried and failed will work again because "no, no, see this time it's different..."
Also they don't understand that the US foots the military bill for all the EU countries with socialism, they also don't believe in race therefore they can't accept that something in a more or less ethnically homogenous place with a much smaller population and much less drastic regional differences is apples and oranges when compared to the US.
>>78103302
Can we just have whatever the Scandinavian countries use.
Because millennials don't work
>>78103521
No, they are capitalist. They simply have a larger welfare and social security network
>>78108865
As in demographics? I long for that too.
>>78104221
>Waiting for lefty/pol/
Thank you for remebering me ;) For you
>>78106337
What is socialist policies?
>>78103302
Look what the baby boomer generation did for capitalism
>>78108865
No, they worked for decades to acheive what they have know. And the paradigm in wich they applied their model is no loner the same that is today, or in the near future.
>>78109416
> they have know
now
>>78103302
Because most millennials are inexperienced and sheltered.
They are easily baited with pandering because they have so little wealth in their life.
They actually thought a guy who wants to give away everything for free was legit yet his campaign wasn't free and required lots of donation money.
Fuckin classic black and white cartoon material here.
>>78103302
socialists don't care whether it works or not they just want shit without having to work for it for as long as possible
>>78103302
because capitalism has been proven time and time again not to work
http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/
>>78103302
They weren't alive at a time where they could watch Rocky IV "unironically"
Young people are easy prey
Their teaches are leftists, and their university professors are leftists. They have been indoctrinated since birth to support judeo globalism
>>78108296
>age group most likely to get the fuck on the internet and look something up
>baby boomers still watch corporate bullshit
sure thing bro
>>78103302
>haven't paid taxes yet
>think all races are equal
>don't understand why it ""works"" in some countries
>>78109623
>they just want shit without having to work for it
>socialism is welfare
Where do you guys come u with such outrageous claims?
Do you know who was the first statesmen to introduce a welfare state?
Socialism has never worked, just like millennials.
>>78109623
^ this pretty much
They turn tricks, pass off lies. They eventually get caught and when people start to connect the dots and calling out their fuckery, this happens;
> "You're just like hitler, you are literally hitler and everyone else who I don't like."
They lie and take it to the grave.
it's democratic socialism which is totally different you /pol/tards
>>78109804
>implying millenials dont get info from kike media
>>78109804
This is the millennial equivalent of "hurr hurr get off ur phones" despite Boomers undoubtedly being glued to their phones during inappropriate occasions.
We're both brainwashed. Most of my peers from high school are bluepilled faggots consuming Buzzfeed and HuffPo.
>>78103302
Because we have been brainwashed into thinking multiculturalism is good since childbirth.
Fuck you and especially fuck (((Vice))) media in any fashion
>>78103302
Because millenial neets don't want to work either.
>>78109560
>for free
no, it was going to be from taxing the rich, specifically from speculative investments.
but then again that would mean actually looking up his policies and that would cramp your style concerning shit talking about age groups
>>78110153
>neets don't want to work
nice circular reasoning strawman there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzUbgpWNf8
>>78109560
No such thing as a free lunch
>>78109623
>they want free stuff
oh yeah we've never heard that strawman argument before. that's such original material
>>78110250
On one hand, i support Bernie, because his economic policies are very similar to mine. But my rabid racism makes me lean to Trump.
But now i don't give a fuck and just want Hillary to win so i can have a epic day mocking /pol/tards in November
>>78110488
>has never picked blackberries just growing out of the ground and eaten them
>>78103302
A guy told me the other day that he might be a communist. I told him that's stupid because communism never works. He repeated that in a mocking voice the same way a 4 year old who doesn't want to go to bed would do. Millennials are just retarded that's why.
>>78110488
>>78103302
Thank God for the boomers!
>>78110578
if you're racist you are not leftist bro
>wants shillary to win
i rest my case. liberals are right of center laissez faire capitatlists who use identity politics to divide people along lines of alienated labor
>>78110636
Kek
>>78110593
Yeah right. Sure buddy, you sure told him. >>78110579
He probably never left his basement
They're too young to remember. They didn't grow up reading news of what actual socialism was like.
>>78110668
unlikely
http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/
>>78103302
>>78108865
Yea i'd love a 99% white population too.
But on a serious note, Scandinavian culture is shit for a country that wants to be at a world stage. They have little to no innovation among them, they're the best example of equality of outcome.
Yea sure no one's starving, but no new tech is being made, no new ideas, new culture, etc.
>>78109804
>>age group most likely to get the fuck on the internet and look something up
Doesn't mean they do. Hell if anything, they get even less information, because they go to the nearest CNN, vox, buzzfeed article and treat it as god. Instead of reading multiple sources, studies and forming an opinion, because that takes time.
>>78110250
Even if you taxed 'the rich' 90%, which bernie didn't think was unreasonable. you still don't have enough money to have free healthcare, post secondary, larger social nets, etc.
Face it bernie bot, your candidate is still bitter about being broke as a joke for 40+ years.
>>78110636
>Complaining about straw men
>Posts a straw man
Impressive.
>>78110682
>if you're racist you are not leftist bro
I'm not. The trip it's just to trigger burgers here.
>>wants shillary to win
Just for the keks. I don't know any single policy of her.
>>78110760
I've heard some good and bad things about the USSR from people who lived there or visited several times, and the USSR was one of the less livable places. Yugoslavia was a hotspot before the 1980s or so.
>>78110760
>actual socialism
you mean ACTUAL socialism that wasn't really socialism and backed by the U.S.?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEVOIO4TbZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNXfrMR_Lw
Because I want the singularity to occur as soon as possible so I can focus solely on art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJj2kSbwpqE
>>78110867
>instead of reading multiple sources
except that's not how google works
>you still don't have enough money for healthcare and social nets
that's why ending the wars and scrapping "free trade" deals are part of his platform
face it asshole, you're wrong.
>>78110682
Why would laissez-faire capitalists want identity politics? Oh, it's a big conspiracy to prevent real communism from happening right?
I can understand the feeling that there's a conspiracy behind identity politics but those behind it are not free-market capitalists. Think for yourself, if you're power-hungry and willing to commit a conspiracy, why would your ultimate goal be a system where everyone is equal under the law and free to engage in whatever activity they want as long as it's voluntary?
Wouldn't your ultimate goal more likely be a system where you can influence the government in your favor and use force against your opponents?
>>78103302
>why did Germans want a strong socialist leader...
It's cyclical. And not entirely unfounded.
>>78111191
When has real socialism ever happened?
>>78111107
>it's a big conspiracy
yes you idiot.
>why would your ultimate goal be a system where everyone is equal under the law
which is why liberals are the ones claiming to help minorities but never do. clinton was against gay marriage before claiming to be for it. bill clinton signed off on the bill that through africans in prisons for minor offenses. the clintons have business ties to the private prison industry
>>78111271
burkina faso in the 80s
spanish revolution
>>78103302
I love how in the USA (and apparently AUS too) everybody is completely ignorant about what socialism means, and what are its historical approaches.
I assure you that every educated european laugh at you when you equate socialism to Venezuela and USSR.
>b-b-but we're used to call these economic structures with the same name, since we never bothered to learn the more specific ones. that totally means that sweden is exactly like venezuela
>>78103302
because the only time it was tried in a well functioning society was Nazi Germeny. And that was terrible for Germany wasn't it?
>>78111362
You do realize that capitalism is going to essentially be 100% dysfunctional when 90% of everything becomes automated in the next century.
>>78111271
Never. Even Hitler threw the people out if the party that took the Socialist part of NatSoc too seriously. Not to say that was the right thing to do, but that's history.
>>78110488
"free" is subjective, so there can be a free lunch
>>78107002
how do you fucking retards not know the difference between socialism and a democratic socialist running a capitalist country?1
>>78103302
I think "socialism" is the wrong word to put to it, Regulated capitalism is a better fit to it, and theres plenty of evidence that it works.
The economy was doing better by any measure after WW2, when our economy was far more regulated than it was now. Same thing post the great depression.
>>78111707
nice pic
>>78111640
He didn't like communists.
So I doubt he liked turbo socialists either.
>>78103302
there are two reasons:
1. They believe that (mostly) homogeneous rich white countries like Norway and Denmark are 'socialist', and want to try be like them, which is just capitalism with a more extensive welfare state.
In the US context they don't seem to grasp that you cannot simply cut and past these policies onto the US have them work in the same way
Or
2. They have fallen deeply for the Utopian lies about socialism that have been fed to them at College, on the internet or elsewhere, and believe that 'the 1%' is what stand in the way of their happiness. This is ultimately part of a bigger psychological question that explains leftist ideology, but that's a whole other issue.
>>78109973
'Lunch' is also subjective, by your point then.
>>78108172
That sounds a lot like a classic liberal government. Not too much government interference and not too much privatization
Everybody, AI is coming and this will all be frivolous rhetoric in the near future, try to chill out.
>>78110867
>They have little to no innovation among them
Are you stupid? They are on the forefront of many areas of research. Feel free to google. Also the whole of Scandinavia as less population then California.
>but no new tech is being made, no new ideas, new culture
>believing /pol/ memes
Is capitalism as bad as millrnials make it out to be? A friend of mine told me that it's "disappointing that we live in a capitalistic society" and went on to say that the owners send their workers(?) or production overseas to avoid paying taxes.
I'm not very savvy with this stuff, but is this a bad thing..?
>>78103744
Nice try Marxist scum, into the gas chambers with you
>>78111107
They know we'll keep fighting amingst ourselves if they can keep one side stubborn and immovable. There's a reason the same party that's most in bed with business are the ones whipping their voter base into a fucking victim-tier frenzy over groups wanting rights. And when nothing happens, they invent an issue by writing a laws to solve problems that don't exist, and then play the victim when inevitable backlash happens.
"bathroom bills" are just the latest in these ploys to keep us figting
>>78111271
Tito is a good example. Some not good but can be considered socialist in broad terms is USSR and Cuba
Because millennial are fuck heads who have teachers to make sure they don't learn anything in school and helicopter parents to make sure they don't learn anything outside of it
>>78110898
>Just for the keks. I don't know any single policy of her.
Take Obama and make his key political card his sex instead of his race. And you have Clinton.
>>78110940
>I've heard some good things about the USSR
And this is how i know, you know jack shit.
Yugoslavia was not part of the USSR, in fact it founded the Non-Aligned Movement. The Yugos had a really good leader, that's why the country fell apart after 1980 his death.
You can genuinely say good things about Yugos, but even with that in mind, they where only the better communist country. Not even comparable to the west in terms of economics, opportunities, etc. Yugoslavia is communism with a strong ' morally good' leader
>>78111093
>except that's not how google works
What's so hard about going through multiple
>that's why ending the wars and scrapping "free trade" deals are part of his platform
18-26 TRILLION dollars, all of the US GDP and more. You can't just make that amount of money, even if you taxed everyone at 90%, cut the military, and stop the wars or whatever.
Learn some math.
>>78111750
That's why he threw them out. Too many policies in common with the Communists that had yo be overcome to rise to power. Doesn't mean that wasn't what the party was founded on. The real question is do you believe Hitler was the voice of the party or not. Obviously historically this is the case, but that doesn't mean that was its original intent...or that Hitler didn't borrow policies for commerce from them once they were (in name) defeated.
>>78103302
They don't, they love welfare states.
>>78103302
They don't care whether it works or not, they just want someone else to pay for to maintain their lifestyles because they don't want to work.
>>78111271
The empty rhetoric in here is really obnoxious.
>>78111916
capitalism is great to a point. Once certain companies get too much they gain a monopoly and no one else can compete. That's why regulation is needed to allow capitalism to be contained and give everyone a "fair" chance
>>78111892
>Feel free to google
>Doesn't actually name any
10/10
>>78111916
Define bad. A fully capitalist society would basically lead to monopolies where no one can compete. So long story short moderated capitalism is probably the best system.
>>78112185
No I wasn't being a good rhetorician and asking questions I know the answer to. I was actually curious.
>>78103302
Because they're greedy and assume they'll not be the ones who have to work for free.
>>78112318
I know, I think it does answer your question though
>>78103302
>Why do Millenials love Socialists when Socialism has been proven time and time again not to work?
Imagine growing up and being told that you can be anything you want to be, that you are special, you deserve to have it all. And imagine you carry that message with you throughout your life, as you mature, go through puberty, reach young adulthood, and find yourself in your early to mid 20s.
Now imagine life didn't go as you planned. That message still sticks though, but something's missing: the reality that you have to work in order to put bread on the table. But fuck that, right?
And look to the boomers and how they played a significant role in nurturing this attitude. And what do you have? People who don't want to marry, have kids or work hard because, fuck it, why bother?
Hence, capitalism loses its appeal and socialism looks quite nice. How this will pan out in a decade or so from now? Stay tuned.
>>78110757
Fuck off t. I grew up with wild berries.
Too meta 5 u
>>78112671
Perfect image, actually. Millenials are basically the second coming of the Hippie generation, except they're not waiting for their 40s to decide the best way to achieve equality is to have the government enforce it at gunpoint.
>>78112205
You are a stupid fucking dickhead. This is exactly why there should be no regulation, because if there is any way to regulate market big companies will use it via bribes to keep their monopolist position. On the other hand when the market is unregulated big company has to cope with internal bureaucracy while smaller companies can innovate.
>>78111672
Nah, man. energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Free energy? When...
>>78112913
Whats wrong with hippyism?
>inb4 subjective degenerate destroying traditional family values bs
>>78112913
I've been saying for a long time that Millennials are a carbon copy of the Boomers and nobody believed me.
Faggots all, and are going to bury the rest of us in short order.
t. GenX
I think socialism is rooted in good virtues and equality that a true equal, homogenous society would benefit from.
The problem is that it would never work on a super large scale, especially in a country as economically and socially diverse as the united states. Socialism in the US is a pipe dream. The closest we will ever get is a bunch of shitty wellfare programs destined to not live up to standards. Turbo socialism would likely corrupt and destroy this country at a far quicker rate than we are going at now. Giving out more money when youre already some 80 trillion in the hole is generally a bad idea. But its ok, that will never ever happen.
Also for future reference, globalism is basically global turbo capitalism. Not a whole lot would change economically speaking if borders dissapered overnight but it would make a bunch of bildeberg bankers who bet on the collapse of western civilization rich, essentially creating a larger, global power elite class and a larger lower class. Culture and lifestyle would go down the toilet and mesh into a shitskin nightmare world but that society is honestly probably closer to what hardcore capitalists envision for the future anyways. Im afraid its heading this way
>>78110052
(((Vice))) "news"
The fucking worst...
Almost as bad as (((npr)))
>>78112913
Expect to grow up in a world with markedly more government control. Sorry to say, but I see no other alternative.
>>78113263
The main issue with hippies is that they promote the ideas of free love, compassion and selflessness, yet they are some of the most selfish motherfuckers on the planet. They do drugs, drone on about life and produce nothing of significant value. Their life philosophy does not sustain civilization.
>>78113316
I am ashamed to be a millenial. Fucking hate my generation.
>>78110867
>olive garden
>a leaf
>breadsticks
>>78113263
I don't hate hippies, i know it's a anti /pol/ meme.
I don't agree with hippies, but i genuinely think they believed they where creating transparency, and they themselves where very clear with goals, methods and such. I don't think they where like current liberals who want to shut down rights.
That said, they where still college age idiots who where broke and smoked weed instead of worked. They didn't know SHIT.
also this: >>78113653
>The main issue with hippies is that they promote the ideas of free love, compassion and selflessness, yet they are some of the most selfish motherfuckers on the planet. They do drugs, drone on about life and produce nothing of significant value. Their life philosophy does not sustain civilization.
>>78103302
cause the millenial generation(mostly californians and middle class white girls) expect everyone else to take responsibility for their fuckups.
>>78113653
Hmmm, I think it depends what the model of a hippie is. There are plenty of functional hippie communes, and while they do entheogens, I don't think that is necessarily all bad. I guess its just too broad of a term and your picturing woodstock or something.
>>78114046
I'll admit that, yes, I am applying a stereotype and the Woodstock-tier hippie does come to mind.
What would one call this? Militant Hippyism?
>>78103302
Leftists control academia. It's no surprise given that everyone goes to college now. The especially stupid tend to major in the liberal arts, and obviously there's a very strong correlation between the liberal arts and left-wing politics.
>>78112093
How do you type such faggotry so fast while browsing anime porn in the socialist [uni] you go to?
>>78111892
what research is this? i never see any papers coming out of nordic schools in my field. outside of ikea and volvo i doubt anyone knows a nordic company
>>78114125
Hypocritical hippyism.
>>78103302
They can't into history
This is why they want only the government to have guns
They also hate white christians, and this is our pinnacle.
Regressives are essentially traitors.
>>78103302
this
>>78103302
the nazis were socialists
>ie based af
>>78113263
nothing per-se, they had a bunch of great ideas once you get past the whole lazy drug-addled communism part.
There is a false impression that Capitalism and Socialism are opposite ideologies in an existing political spectrum, and that each ideology has its' own pros and cons.
The truth is, there is no such thing as Capitalism as an ideology. Capitalism literally means free economy. As in being able to pick whatever job you like, open up a business and trade goods with other people. This has been the way of all societies ever since 1000BC. Taxes are also a vital part of a free economy, the state gives the private economy infrastructure and safety in return for money and loyalty.
In other words, what they force us to call "Capitalism" is actually the natural path of any civilization that ever existed, from China to India, from France to Zulu, from Apachi tribes to Incas.
The concept of the state controlling everything was absurd and incomprehensible.
No citizen will ever think to himself "Golly, things would be so much better if my country owned everything!?!?!". Socialism is an experiment. And people can ONLY support this experiment through brainwashing (slogans, envy), desperation (poverty), lack of political awareness (watch "bernie supporters explaining socialism") or personal interest (find out the nationality of every single socialist/communist party founder).
>muh big gubmint: the thread
HEH
The true doctrine of hippyism
>collectivism
>free thinking
>selflessness
>vegetarianism
>"free love"
>entheogenic spiritualism
-Not a perfect ideology, but not inherently twisted either
Wanna be hippy
>reckless drug use
>selfish prerogative
>false collectivism to promote multiple sexual partners
>completly unproductive in all ways
-scum
https://youtu.be/jrfbWtMgyk8
>>78103302
Bill Maherstein is pretty spot on with millennials and socialism
>>78103302
Zfags are not millenials.
Everyone can be a socialist as long as they have their parents money to spend.
>>78103302
All the best countries in the world; Canada, Australia, UK, western Europe, Scandinavia are all socialist.
Because leftist controlled media has been trying to bury the crimes of Communism (and Socialism, it's the same shit) for decades.
And it's working. Retarded children today think it's all rainbows and candy. What could possibly go wrong?
>>78114665
That is not true at all, capitalism is the idea of private property out of the control of the state. As opposed to Feudalism where the nobility are given their land by the state and are expected to provide taxes and solders for the state in return.
peasants don't own any personal land in this system and work their fields by the grace of their lord.
>>78115016
Are you familiar with the concept of so left its extreme right, I think thats whats going on right now, things are really twisted.
>>78104221
>socialism explained by capitalists
>'capitalism explained by socialists' as described by capitalists
nice
>>78114193
>Implying i'm in uni
Cry some more.
>>78114914
No they're not.
And Canada is one of the most overrated countries, I can comfortably say the US is better, lived there with my cousin in Austin. I've traveled all over, and was born in the middle east, Canada ain't anything special. I need to immigrate down south.
>>78115111
No, because the left is authoritarian. Right demands less government.
>>78103436
Exactly they don't know the concept of social democracy.
>>78103302
They're raised by overly controlling parents (playdates, ritalin, etc). They think """benevolent tyranny""" is a desirable thing.
>>78109804
>Millenial hears Trump is racist
>Google "is trump racist"
>Google says yes
That's how most people look things up. You might be surprised at how small a minority actually watches/reads source material for any given event.
>TFW this thread
>>78115157
A 300-page screed that boils down to "rich poop on poor, capitalism = ebil!" is still arguing "rich poop on poor! capitalism ebil!"
>>78115622
>Bernie Sanders was asked to leave a hippie commune in 1971 for “sitting around and talking” about politics instead of working
>In the summer of 1971, Myrtle Hill received a visitor: Bernie Sanders, age 30, at the cusp of his political career with the socialist Liberty Union Party.
>Sanders spent his time at Myrtle Hill in “endless political discussion,” according to Deloz.
>Sanders’ idle chatter did not endear him with some of the commune’s residents, who did the backbreaking labor of running the place. Daloz writes that one resident, Craig, “resented feeling like he had to pull others out of Bernie’s orbit if any work was going to get accomplished that day.”
>Sanders was eventually asked to leave.
>>78115208
>be me
>see biggest faggot in the universe in pol thread
Because it honours human dignity and is equitable
Capitalism doesn't work either for that matter
>>78115318
>demands less government
>demands a large military and for the government to pass laws that restrict an individual's freedom to fuck whoever he wants and take any drugs he wants
You can only pick one
>>78103302
They're stupid.
/thread
>>78115899
>Because it honours human dignity and is equitable
On paper
>>78103302
>>78103382
They associate it with free stuff and they associate anything "bad" with "capitalism" so "socialism" must automatically be good then. Most don't think any of this through though, obviously.
>>78115318
Yeah Rightest are certainly strongly in favor of social reform, or "social conservatism". I.E i can buy an AR-15 but you cant smoke weed or get gay married.
>>78115856
>>78114319
This.
>I've never learned the history of economics, so I'm a socialist!
>I've never learned what happens when subversive groups of people enter a host society of people with fundamentally different values, so I support open-borders immigration!
>I've never bothered to compare and contrast the accomplishments of human beings of varying ethnic and cultural backgrounds, so I hate white people!
>>78115963
>>78116182
You're conflating special interests with a political ideology.
All of those situations are the result of politicians going against their supposed core principles in an attempt to appease lobbyists or religious figures.
Corrupt politicians with no principles stand for nothing but themselves. Republicans and Democrats are both guilty of this.
>>78116363
Look man I'm a border-line libertarian, I know.
>>78116363
Yeah, pretty sure he was just referring to "right" on the general political spectrum, not the Republican party.
>>78103436
Seem pretty weak nords. Let Women run your country. Maybe you should let trannys infiltrate your Govt. Like the faggotry of America
>>78114764
I never saw his show but the clips people link make me wish this was a left. He's just not an asshole about difference in views. He seems very practical and humble. Unlike cucklord John Oliver that's selling his own country out.
>>78114240
What field? They do some medical research. Keep in mind that the population is very small.
>>78116849
Denying gay people to ability to legally have sex is of religious interest, not a political one.
>>78115497
Honestly i believed trump was racist. Until i just googled what he had said, and listened to the man instead of the media.
>>78115856
Can i have some sources?
>>78115992
More like implies on paper, after some interpretation.
>>78116182
>>78115963
Not really, the right in america had the problem of appealing to a right that's long gone, they even treated their own people the way the left did.
Modern conservatives, as in anyone under 35 are almost libertarians, they don't really care about gay marriage, and already agree the war on drugs failed.
Also fyi, gay's never really cared about gay marriage. It was almost an entirely liberal move to get the LGBT vote.
The percentage of gay, les, bi men and women is 3.5 or so percent. Less than a quarter of them get married. So a 1/4th of 3.5%
There is literally nothing wrong with Socialism so long as it is intrinsically Nationalistic in practice.
t. Hitler
>>78117103
http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
>>78117101
If it involves telling other people what to do, it's political.
If you think you should tell other people what to do, you're authoritarian, and on the left
If you don't think you should tell other people what to do, you're libertarian, and on the right.
>>78117252
But that is in direct contradiction of the ideology.
The only reason it exists is because of religious interests. It has nothing to do with the left/right ideology, it's just a matter of satisfying what a religion says.
>>78117252
You are the dumbest nigger alive. Libertarian vs. Authoritarian is irrespective or Right/Left. Read a book.
>>78114753
I think a lot of the ideals of the 60s were adopted by the mainstream actually, just not the collective ones
neoliberalism promotes extreme individualism, the disintegration of traditional institutions etc. there is a huge emphasis on being flexible, casual and 'authentic'. the idea that there is some inner self to be unlocked is common to both beliefs
>>78117531
One could just as easily argue "rugged individualism" is a staple of conservatism. Teddy Roosevelt being probably the last champion (of consequence) of this ideal in American history.
>>78103521
They cannot be truly socialist because they do not control the means of production.
>>78117459
Which makes it contrary to the "less government" definition of the Right, which is why I said >>78115318 only makes sense in context of left=authoritarian, right=libertarian
>>78117506
Thank you, retard for making the exact point I made in >>78116849. There are differing definitions of right/left which can be almost completely reversed based on the political context, but per>>78115318, "left" is authoritarian, and "right" is libertarian.
>>78117151
that is retarded. Any form of governmental control over private industry is unacceptable
>>78118273
Actually like Rush Limbaugh said many times for many years it is a circle, for example people call Fascism right wing.
>>78117531
"Neoliberalism" isnt a real thing. Its just a buzzword to describe any form of economics that doesnt involve praying to Marx.
For example your usual Che shirt cuck thinks the FMI is neoliberal while in truth they are Keynesians more often than not.
Commies get out REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>78103302
Because now that we have distance from the blatant propaganda of the Cold War we can actually see that real socialism, or what existed in the USSR and exists in Cuba actually did work to pull millions of poor people out of poverty into an educated modern society faster than had ever happened before.
>>78118273
Also technically left wing is libertarian and right wing is authoritarian, going by the history and how it is today. Liberals want more rights, Conservatives want less rights. It has been that way since the French Revolution.
>>78107002
And Finland devalues it's currency for 30% each decade(when it had own currency). 80's was different thing but it ended in catastrophe. Euro is same story but it's going to end even more badly.
>>78103744
Socialism is feudalism though. It's not advancing from capitalism, it's just going backwards with the gains from capitalism and the peasants have now crowned themselves king. It's why every socialist country ends up a dictatorship. Because it's really about one group of people or person using government to control the resources themselves, rather than decentralized control in private hands.
>>78118533
It may have been more true historically, but the current state of the left and right wings is that they're both hypocritical. the Left is socially libertarian and economically authoritarian, while the reverse is (supposedly) true for the Right.
>>78118281
Government can and should guide industry in its national interests. Not in the corporate interests or in the interests of the government itself, but in the national interests. Also see below
>>78118273
If we're both talking to retards about what is commonly called """ Left""" and """ Right""" that's fine.
Between you and I, there can just as easily be authoritarian Right and authoritarian Left, as libertarian Right or Left. Neither states the role of government as large or small and in practice for the "AM I BEING DETAINED" sect of people anything is too large.
BTW, these people should be summarily gassed.
>>78103302
Socialism is working as intended, it's just designed that way to fuck up everything
>>78103302
Because we polarized the moderate section of this country. You know, the people who could actually take a step back and analyze a situation.
Both parties are going to dissolve and reform within 4 election cycles.
There is no checks and balances to the lunacy of american politics anymore. It's not sustainable for very much longer.
>>78114811
This.
#NotAllMillenials
>>78120091
Socialism obviously isn't "working as intended."
The problem is that it's the pipe-dream of a bunch of 19th century emo man-children, and thus completely ignores even its most glaring flaws, like the absolute necessity of the use of authority and force to maintain the communal ownership of anything, and the inevitable, rapid shift towards fascism that results.
>>78120867
It's no less idealistic than libertarianism.
It depends on a responsible population, and this country does not have that.
>>78103302
Vast majority of millenials are spoiled little shits who are used to their safe spaces and getting their way.
>>78103302
I think millennials are more split on this question than you realize. As more and more of them enter the workforce they are being redpilled on a lot of social and economic issues they didn't understand while they preached to by their sociology prof.
I see it pretty frequently. The main problem I have with millennials isn't ideology, but hedonism. They are completely degenerate and no one is explaining to them how their behavior is completely inappropriate.
>>78121086
To me it's more a lack of responsibility and appreciation than hedonism.
>>78120988
No, Libertarianism still operates within the confines of human nature.
>>78103302
Cause socialism and its supporters are the same... They do not work.
>>78111720
We were doing better because through fascism we obliterated our enemies. The only way to achieve that again is through war. Regulation was just a consequence of total war, and not the cause of prosperity. Winning was.
>>78111720
Also, we are far more regulated today than post WWII.
>than it was now
Is improper grammar, and wrong.
Socialism works in the Nordic countries who are rich and have high HDI
>>78121481
kek
>Democratic socialism (aka Universal Heathcare, free/no upfront fee University, more comprehensive welfare) doesn't work
The HDI rankings disagree with you, m8.
>>78122323
The US is the richest country in the world, cunt. Democratic Socialism is far more economically conservative, seeing as countries like Norway, Sweden and even Australia spend 3x less per capita on healthcare, and they get it for free; the US spends 3x more taxes per capita on it and citizens STILL HAVE TO PAY on top of that! Medical causes over 50% of all US bankruptcies, how can you justify this? You are getting fucked in order to enrich medical insurance executives. And you call other countries cucks?
>>78120988
>no less idealistic than Libertarianism
Countries with Sanders-style "Socialism": entire top 10 of the HDI rankings
Countries with Lolbetarianism: Somalia
I rest my case.
I don't get the socialist ideal. A society where everyone gets healthcare, education, food and goodies on tap just for being a good boy and participating in make-work programs would be insufferable.
I'd tale a capitalist dystopia over socialist utopia any day, it's just more fun.
>>78103302
capitalist nations are responsible for ww1/ww2
capitalism is also the reason food rots in storage bins while millions starve to death
that being said, capitalism is the best we got
>>78123548
You are cucked don't change the subject
>>78103302
>Bernie is good because he's a socialist
>trump is bad because he's a nationalist, and because that is similar to national socialism, but the socialism part is great
How in the actual fuck is everyone so stupid
>>78116145
No. Not socialist, just believe in affordable healthcare, a living wage, functioning utilities and unemployment insurance, you know, those things that made the Fifties great.
>>78123765
>capitalist nations with slightly more welfare than the US are socialist
kek
>shithole dominated by any number of violent warlords is libertarian because no functioning central government
double kek with a cherry on top
>>78123881
>capitalism nations
>National Socialist Germany
>Socialist/Communist USSR
>capitalism nations
kek, ameriducation
>>78123902
Was responding to someone who said Socialism only works in "rich" countries m9. You're the one who's been cucked into believing in Reaganomics, and that you're just all "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" - when in fact your system keeps the poor poorer and the rich richer, something that is comprehensively borne out by the stats from the 1950s (when based Eisenhower was doing his magic) to today.
>>78123765
>Comrade Barre's Soviet-backed socialist regime is so bad it causes the country to splinter into fiefdoms governed by different flavors of Sharia law
>hurr durr libertarianism
>>78124438
You're the ones claiming what Sanders proposes is Socialism, and doesn't work, don't change the goalposts m9.
>>78112190
Welcome to /pol/
>>78112296
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-innovative-countries/
>>78120091
Karl Marx was an advocate of Free Trade. Not many people know this.
>>78124736
Note the thread you're in. It claims millennials like Soclialism, and uses Sanders as an illustration for said Socialism. It says this form of Socialism -voted for by 2 million millenials, as opposed to the 0.5 mil who voted for Trump - doesn't work. I was merely pointing out it is the most successful form of Governance currently present in the world by virtually every metric.
>>78124736
The funny thing is according to Marxist theory Somalia has achieved "communism" : the state has withered away.
Socialism is nothing more than a religion, and it simply replaced Christianity.
>>78124743
Not moving the goalposts to point out a flaw in Sander's own supposed claims, and the wordplay hardly matters anyway considering the old kike's policies would still be detrimental to the US economy under any label.
>>78124910
That doesn't make your claim that Somalia is representative of libertarianism any less stupid.
Democratic socialism is a luxury for homogeneous countries, that capitalism has raised up to be in the top 20 richest countries in the world. It's the reward for being top dog, it's not what gets you there.
Something Greece and Venezuela should be acutely aware of today.
>>78125646
Pure Libertarianism = complete lack of state and consequent state-enforced laws and regulations. Somalia fits that pretty well.
And the "Democratic socialism is just for homogeneous countries" is complete bullshit, and an utter cop out when you have no other arguments. Universal healthcare is cheaper than the US clusterfuck by many orders of magnitude - fact. Free or no upfront-fee University creates a higher-educated population that can then earn more and pay more taxes, as opposed to staying working minimum wage and paying 0 tax like 47% of the US currently does - fact. And increased social welfare reduces crime and increases social mobility -fact. The case in point is the UK, and specifically London. London is far more ethnically diverse than the US, and is also the larger than many entire US states in population. Yet it is beset by none of the social ills that the US is. It is far safer than EVERY SINGLE US state (bar NH, which accounts for only 0.3% of the US population and is irrelevant), even the all white ones, and it is an economic powerhouse.
Just face it, you're retarded and have been fed lies your entire life. Please think for yourself.
>>78118506
Shut up
This is why we have a feminist PM.
>>78103302
what are you talking about, Democratic Socialism has been proven in Scandinavian countries. They're more educated, have higher standards of living, are happier, and live longer.
How is that "been proven time and time and again not to work?"
Stop meming.
>>78128236
they're more white too
>>78128236
Having large welfare programs and high tax rates in countries (once) free from niggers weighing down the system is not the same thing as being socialist.
Still, maybe that's the reason why socialism fails; dumbass niggers (desert variety or otherwise) seem to ruin everything they touch.
>>78123548
They also have 99% whites, a distrust of outsiders and a culture that values people more than persons, and tiny ass populations.
When you look at a comparable country, Canada, we spend about 3/5ths the amount of money 30% of our entire budged and have an inferior system. Most of the good stuff in Canada is in Toronto, finding a hospital outside the big city is next to impossible.
And even the healthcare we do have is annoying, with hours upon hours of waiting time for simple things. Months for special services. And we still have to pay for specialists and need to have insurance to pay for meds.
Socialism works when you're already a advanced country, are closed off from the world, and have small homogenized population.
>>78128520
>Sweden
>99% white
Do you even /pol/ m8? And the point is, the reason US healthcare is so expensive is because it's PROFIT-BASED. Aka businessmen make billions of dollars from it. That's why they pay so much - they're not paying for their care, they're paying so the insurance companies can make profits. How retarded are you not to realise this?
>>78112190
Hunnid' bands, hunnid' bands
Dropped on the head of any nigga that want it man
Pop me a Xannie I’m fast
I’m so fast I’m so faster than Sonic man
True the man, true the man, true to my nigga
True religion, Buddha man
My money stack tall like Ludacris afro
And I swear I'ma shoot with that
I just hit for 9 birds, what I'ma do with that?
Pull up on the curb, then you hop out and be through with that
I'm so fresh like dish detergent
If you not fresh she so through with that
If you are a nerd, everything here you not cool with that
>>78128520
Also, Canada may have a worse system than Australia, the UK or Scandanavia, but it still ranks higher than the US in every metric. In the US, over 40,000 people per year die due to lack of medical care. That's more than die in car accidents or are murdered. Their healthcare system is LITERALLY more dangerous than all their murders combined.
>>78127910
>complete lack of state
true of libertarianism
>and consequent state-enforced laws and regulations
also true
>Somalia fits that pretty well.
And then you blew it sonny. If some dumb bastard is holding a gun to your head and telling you what to do, it's not libertarian because he's violating the NAP. Don't matter if it's "give me 30% of your income so I can give homeless people food" or "give me your last goat so me and my bros can have a barbeque tonight" you've still got a society governed by what libertarians oppose.
>>78128812
>Sweden
AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TAKE THE WHITE AWAY. Seriously, they're projected to be bankrupt.
And did you not listen to anything else i said? When compared to a comparable country, US healthcare aint's o bad.
>>78127910
Somalia is a failed St8, m8. Perhaps there'd be no warlords if it weren't for the corrupt State that provided them with money to buy weapons and terrorize the whole area
really makes you think....
>>78103436
They also think that any problems in nordic countries are completely separate from the socialist policies in place. Even /pol/ thinks that socialism works in those homogeneous countries.
>>78129238
That's literally the same argument as "true Communism has never been tried". In Soviet Russia, power was still concentrated in the hands a small selection of elites, and thus is the complete antithesis of what "true Communism" would entail. Guess that means that it was never a communist society then, going by your logic?
>>78129445
You literally have no idea what you're talking about, they currently have a higher economic growth rate than the US:
http://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/sweden-economic-forecast-summary.htm
And have a deficit 10 times smaller. It must be hard to be wrong so much of the time. Here's a tip: amazingly, /pol/ is biased sometimes, and may not be telling you the entire truth.
>>78129445
PIC RELATED TRIGGERS THE /POL/TARD
>>78129448
Somewhat telling that a failed state is the closest the world has to a Libertarian state, while all the most successful are Democratic Socialist ones..
>>78103302
The past two generations are raping us with social security, early retirement, double dipping, and ducking out of responsibilities.
They don't give a fuck about us, and they'll use up all our resources, leaving us with nothing.
We want an easy ride just like they got. We want ours. We don't want to let them fuck us over.
>>78130079
yeah, let's ignore the 200 years of unhindered laissez-faire capitalism that made Sweden so rich, and let's focus on the last 50 years during which it became a socdem.
really didn't make you think, huh...
>>78130875
You mean the 50 years in which it's become the most prosperous and equal it's ever been? Yeah, I'd like to focus on that. If the US had followed the same path, it's society would be in a far better state.
>>78121269
They're two sides of the same coin. Lack of responsibility is required to pursue hedonistic behavior.
