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75th anniversary of Barbarossa commencement is tomorrow. press F to pay respects to the 850,000 Axis forces who died fighting civilizations enemies in the east.

The current German establishment, to its eternal shame, does not commemorate those who died fighting this campaign, instead commemorating events like D-day.
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>>78034896
If only it ended with success, the failure will scar Europeans for all time to come.
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>>78034896
F

And bump.
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>>78034896
>Caring about socialists killing socialists
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>>78034896
> commemorating the greatest ass-kicking for Germany ever

Hey Ireland, do you celebrate potato-famine day?
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>>78038859
Ha! Topkek
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The idea that Nazis were ever good at fighting is one of the most hilarious Nazi sympathizer myths.

On the Eastern front, the nazis only made their initial gains when they had a numerical advantage during Barbarossa.

They considered slavs subhumans and any Red Army soldier that was captured would be shipped off to concentration camps and exterminated. That's why the kill ratio is artificially inflated in the nazis' favor.

Keep in mind the nazis were nothing but a bunch of jumped up street thugs whereas the red army was a highly competent and professional fighting force. The nazis only made their initial gains because of their numerical advantage. It was the soviets who basically invented mechanized combined arms warfare back in the 1930s and perfected it during the great patriotic war. Late war soviet operations made the blitzkrieg (which was never a coherent doctrine to begin with and only ever worked out of sheer luck) look like a child's game in scale, logistics, and tactics.

It didn't hurt that the Red Army was also technically superior to the nazis. When the nazis were using bolt action rifles and shitty czech tanks, the soviets had T-34 and KV tanks and ppsh machine guns, even late war nazi Tiger and Panther tanks fell flat against stalin tanks and 152mm assault guns.

After Barbarossa the great patriotic war basically consisted of the red army persuing the nazis at a leisurely pace all the way to berlin.

Pic somewhat related. This man had more aryan pussy in a week than most of you basement swelling neckbeards will in a lifetime.
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>>78039463
> Keep in mind the nazis were nothing but a bunch of jumped up street thugs whereas the red army was a highly competent and professional fighting force.

You are not very partial to facts, are you?
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>>78039463
Ok, so let's look at what those two armies had accomplished prior to the invasion of the Soviet Union

>Soviet Union
>Lost the Finnish War
>Took half of Poland after Germany invaded
>.....

>Germany
>Invaded Norway
>Invaded France
>Invaded Belgium
>Invaded The Netherlands
>Invaded Austria
>Invaded Czechoslovakia
>Invaded Poland
>Won every single invasion

Golly gee, that Russian Red Army sure was better, they really were a force to be reckoned with, and the evil Nazis were too scared to fight them, so they pushed through the areas where there wasn't a Red Army. At least I truly see!
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>>78034896
F

>>78039463
Nice b8 m8
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>>78039919
The nazis literally had their beginnings as thugs roaming the streets, beating political opponents and intimidating voters.
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>>78040033
Who won in the end?
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>>78040173
> their beginnings

How does this say anything about the military capabilities of the Wehrmacht?
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>>78040213
The side that was given an incredibly amount of assistance from the U.S. because they literally could not fight their own war
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>>78040173
>>78040173
The SA did. As well, Hitler discouraged the street fighting and violence greatly. It was the communists who incited the violence and the corrupt SA leaders that encouraged it. That's why the SA got btfo an replaced by the SS. Remember fellow leaf, not every German was a nazi. The great, great majority of the Wehrmacht was comprised of regular men.
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>>78040531
>muh lend lease that only started arriving when the nazis were already on the run

top kek
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f
but these threads are boring as long as all russians are banned from 4chan...
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>>78040583
>It was the communists who incited the violence
They were only exercising their right to fight tyranny.
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>>78039463
In 1941 the Germans captured more ground faster than any army before in history...
Anthony Beevor - Barbarossa
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F
FFFFFFFFF
F for fuck Franklin Roosevelt in his fat faggot ass for fighting for the wrong side and not firebombing the filthy bolshevists
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>>78040698
Ruskis were only banned for a day a couple weeks ago
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>>78038859
most commemorate the dead, our ancestors, flesh and blood, yes
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>>78040667
Did I say that? Or are you trying to make up quotes so that you can re-frame the counter-argument? Here's a (((you)))
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>>78040759
Kek now I know this is bait.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRmCEGHt-Qk

Theme

Bonus Lecture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Clv-c6QdBs
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Sad, because there will be some that survived that war, who only fought for their country, for there brothers/fathers/families and have to live in darkness and shame because some 19 y/0 sjw faggot who smokes weed will call them and hound them a "FASHIST BATARD NARZEEE". If onyly all of europe could just uncuck ourselves, the men who fought this war, fought for what they felt was right

F
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>>78040769
Wrong. That would be Operation Bagration in the summer of 1944.

The Red Army covered as much ground in 2 months as the Nazis did in all of 1941.
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>>78040033

>Germany
>Invaded Norway
>Invaded France
>Invaded Belgium
>Invaded The Netherlands
>Invaded Austria
>Invaded Czechoslovakia
>Invaded Poland

and after all that they decided to waste all their resources attacking a neighbour who had no intention of attacking them, Stalin warned weeks in advance but ignored it because he was sure Hitler wasn't that fucking stupid

they should have sent all those barbarosa units to strenghten their hold on europe, or shit even the african front could've used them

aryan cucks got greedy and lost everything
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>>78034896
FFFFFFFFFFFF for not letting Patton nuke the commies before they got nukes too.
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Why should we celebrate an angry incompetent tyrant's scheme to invade a sovereign nation and decimate its people at the cost of millions of German lives?
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>genocidal fasicst dictatorship
>civilisation

Barbarossa was a win for civilisation. Killed a generation of fascist and communist scum.
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>>78039463
>this post
>that flag
A
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Good job wehrmacht, good job
HOWEVER
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>>78041371

>Muh Allies, evuhl hitler

He stopped the Jewish communist advance and takeover of Europe. Best defense is a good offence.

>Stalin a good boi dindu noffin
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>>78034896
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F

Brave men who fought for what the held dear, even when the world was against them.
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Sieg heil
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tribute to the Soviet heroes
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>>78042158

https://youtu.be/CoPAB-Mqac0

That glorious sound!
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Am I the only one from the alternate timeline where it was called operation Barbosa?
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The axis forces can suck my allied red white and blue cock.

Fuck the Nazis, fuck the Italians, and fuck Imperialist Japan.

These days, Japan is cool. Germany is cool. But Italy? Those greasy meatballs can go fuck right off. Fucking followers. Hahhahahahahhahaha Italy full of gays.
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>>78041788
Yeah, he did a real fine job.
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>>78034896
Rip Soviet heroes, you will forever be remembered for saving humanity from evil tyranny.
F
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>>78034896
>muh perfectly unique wermacht soldier that can kill le ebil russkies );;; FUCKING JEWS REEEEEE ITS YOUR FAULT THEY INVADED THE ENTIRE WORLD
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A pity Germany wasn't nuked like Japan.
Those nazi faggots deserved what came to them and more. I'm glad their race is being bred into extinction and that they know to take it like the cucks they are.
Fascism was a failure and will never ever rise again no matter how many memes you post in your basements.
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>>78041641
Allied bombing helped a lot.
It ruined the German industry.
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>>78041118
>a few nukes would do anything


>>78041788
hitler loved muslims, he would probably send some of the german qts to their harems
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>>78043015
hi tumblr
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>>78043015
>pic related
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>>78034896
just came to say that my grampa killed some 20 invading krauts and about 10 occupying wops, he died 10 years ago a happy man, I love you grampa
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>>78043238
Did he ever tell you much of his experiance anon? Just curious.
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>>78040951
reading is hard
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>>78043135
>Implying Greece doesn't love mudslimes
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>>78043238
They he rape 100 little girls anon?
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>>78043754
>cherry picking like a complete moron
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Look at all those aryan supermen.
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>>78043485
only in broad strokes such as theatres and battles he'd been a part of, the stories were mainly about the hardship of wartime, disease, malnutrition, guerilla ways etc; post-war he was working counterintelligence and took the stories of the latter to his grave

his son sold (!) the trophy Luger he got off a kraut he'd killed

>>78043798
I reckon that's just propaganda that little people fall for, after all the truth is always the first casualty in any war
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>>78043889
why so butthurt sempai?
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>>78043889
Maybe we should nuke your lazy ass """"Greece"""" Your country is entirely populated by NEETS and any sensible man would flee to a more relevant place.
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>>78042497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cuFDhlPTZM
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>>78044153
>>78044114
>acting like an organic retarde
kill yourself
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>>78043979
Wow, so edgy. Don't you have to stop your sister from getting raped by a Paki or something?
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>>78044293
>Got raped by Turks
>Getting raped by German (((banks)))

The only life that needs ending is yours
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>>78039463
>soviets ere vastly superior

since when does human wave attacks were considered a superior tactic?

you DO realize that the sovits lost around 10 fucking million men during the war and germany only lost 5 million.
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>>78034896
F
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The German "War Machine" on the eastern front is a myth. The high watermark of the advance was December 1941 at the outskirts of Moscow. That is, the German ability to conduct a wide offensive across the entire front lasted less than a year. After 1941, Germany never again tried to advance on Germany, opting for a push South towards the oil fields, which was then blunted in 1942-43.

The idea that Germany had technological and air supremacy is also largely a myth. By the end of 1942, soviet tank production was already equal and exceeding that of Germany's. Moreover, air supremacy was already starting to be lost to the Soviet airforce. This all on top of Germany's extremely dire logistical situation with overstretched lines, bad roads, and little mechanization for the roads that did exist.

The gains that Germany made in its Eastern offensive uniformly came from strategic surprise, nothing more. Once the effects of strategic surprise wore off in the push to Moscow in 1941 or the push to Stalingrad in 1942, the German advance stalled and began to be pushed back.

By 1943, with the war of logistics and production being lost and a fully engaged Soviet Army, Germany had little chance for strategic surprise and thus fought a losing war of attrition for the rest of the war.
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Thanks for destroying Europe for decades to come, Nazi Germany. Killing millions of Euros was a big help for humanity.
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>>78034896

They fought for a noble cause. We fought for the rights of Africans and Arabs to rape European women.

The end is near.
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>>78044430
>get raped by turks
lol prove it you moron

>getting raped by germans
Not even fucking close, we're literally taking all their money
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>>78044620
>Russians
>Euros

They were not Europeans at the time, nothing of value was lost
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>>78034896
Should have went straight for Moscow desu
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Memorial ? Nobody is going to commemorate losers, they lost and died. The winners on the other hand not only are still alive, but still receive commemorations for their deeds.
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>>78044754
What a druggie you are! Taking money from people who actually work and thinking this is good for your abysmal economy
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>>78034896
t. Alberto Barbarossa
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>>78044858

I would say that Germany has mainly prevent Stalin to invade Europe. Because that was the plan of the Bolsheviks since the 20s.
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>>78044479
>you DO realize that the sovits lost around 10 fucking million men during the war and germany only lost 5 million.
If we killed german pows we would make numbers even. Yet we did not. Ahaha russia weak.
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and germans are again being send to russias border

Wtf?
why do people never learn from history?
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>>78044754
>Not even fucking close, we're literally taking all their money

Kek, your entire country is a fucking private branch now.
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>>78045359
Nope that was Trotsky and Lenin plan, to lead the global revolution, through arms or internal revolutions,
Stalin was more of a Socialism in 1 country style, Even though he was agressive to others, it always was on the borders of a commie block
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>>78045578
forgot link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/05/02/nato-considering-thousands-of-troops-near-russias-eastern-border/
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You think one day the west is gonna uncuck itself and start again? This time all together?
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>>78045456
But you did kill them Ivan. Almost as badly as your own repatriated POWs who actually managed to survive the Nazis.
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>>78045883
By the time that happens, half of Europe will be Muslim and half of the USA non-white.
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>>78046068
you really should leave.
>>78046085
It can't be that bad.
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>>78046068
Just kill yourself already Hans. There is no one I hate more on this planet than you traitorous suicidal cuckold "aryans". Yes, you are below even the sandpeople.
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>>78046068
False flag mehmet.
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all the soviet soldiers who died, RIP
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>>78045984
Then numbers would be even. Actually they would be strongly in our favor.
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>>78046357
Nah, fuck em. They made nice snowmen tho.
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>>78045984
How would you treat people who invaded your country and declared you as "subhuman"?
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>>78046436
what the fuck? What happened to him?
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>>78046481
Russians are objectively subhuman tho. Granted, so were the cowardly krauts.
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>>78034896
The soldiers on the Axis fought rather heroically despite the odds, however, The Corporal from Austria was a fucking moron that led to a lot of failures, particularly at Stalingrad, that could have been prevented had he actually taken the situation seriously.

Regardless, it is a shame they were defeated.
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>>78046561
Finns happened to him.
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>>78046643
No they are good people unlike you
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>>78046790
Reminder that Finns lost their war with Russia.
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>>78046561
Finns posed them like scarecrows and they froze solid

Winter War round 3 when
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>>78046874
You know if you compare life standarts and salaries of these two countries...
I am not so sure, buddy
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>>78046844
>communists
>good people
Then again, I would expect no less a retarded an opinion from yurotrash.
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>>78046408
russians had a stand your ground order that they bravely obeyed, while nazis were cowards and ran away
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>>78046874
HAHAHA OH WOW

Your propaganda is really something, Ivan. That's some hands up don't shoot levels of denial right there.
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Ah yes, the beginning of the great victory of the Soviet people and comrade Stalin against nazi-fascism. It's really something to remember!

Eternal glory to the martyrs of the Great Patriotic War, and the cause of Humanity!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMlu7tUshg
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>>78044240
Holy shit, is that a Konigstiger P?
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>>78047093
There were actually over 50,000 Russians who fought for the German Sixth Army during the Stalingrad campaign.

You have to remember not every Russian was a Red and even the majority of Russian conscripts were barely educated serfs that worked in shitty conditions on communal farms that the State created.
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>>78047101
They didn't have much of a choice, you fucking leaf. They'd get shot by the NKVD if they tried, and a good many received such a fate.
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>>78047289

>Cession of the Gulf of Finland islands, Karelian Isthmus, Ladoga Karelia, Salla, and Rybachy Peninsula, and lease of Hanko to the Soviet Union

:)
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>>78047452
Most of the soviets fighting were impressed into service by the Germans. It's not like they wanted to fight, they were desperate and probably incentivized in various ways.
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>>78047093
Why? Your country has an average lower IQ than mine and 62% non-european. I am laughing at your posts.
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>>78047452
Still mongol rapebabies just like krauts were long leftover hun rapebabies.
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Let's post the great anti-fascist leaders who lead the people to the defeat of nazi-fascism, shall we? I'll begin.

Iosif Stalin, Secretary General of the All-Russian Communist Party during the Second World War.
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>>78047514
10 kids died two day ago in Karelia because of the fault of Russian politicians
Truly subhumans. Hitler was right
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>>78047651
Based Russkies won WW2, get over it Naziboo
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>>78047101
"Bravely" is pushing it. The NKVD executed a considerable amount of their own soldiers and there were plenty of "grey area" cases.

>leaf

Oh, nevermind.

>>78047630
Look up Hiwis.
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>>78047662
fuck offffff
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>>78047727
So? germans had their SS squads shot anyone who defected from their army.
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>>78039463
>the great patriotic war

Good bait, 7/10
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>>78047773
Hey Turkey. I played HoI 4 and boosted fascist party in your country. Later it was renamed into: "Neo-Ottoman Empire". Is that a thing or just Paradox being Paradox?
>>78047857
So did other armies
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>>78047891
Their sucessfully won over the strongest army of that time. So yes, it's patriotic for them.
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>>78047641
If you're so smart than why are you committing suicide on the world stage via immigration? Your national IQ will reach a similar, if not lower average once you hit >60%
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>>78047662
Zhou Enlai, fighter in the People's Liberation Army during the Anti-Japanese War.
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>>78047942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Gee7OXJlg
This is what they fought for.
Not to mention the amount of jews in Russian/Ukrainian governments.
But yeah, keep believing
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>>78040033
USSR also trounced Japan twice and absorbed the Baltic states. May as well add it to the list.
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>>78047992
We're totally fine and the richest country of europe. You can't read flags, can't you, amerifat?
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>>78034896
F

"Unbekannter Soldat,
wir danken dir für jeden Tag
Für deinen Mut in jeder Stunde, in jeder Sekunde!
Unbekannter Soldat,
wir verneigen uns vor deinem Grab
und die Lügen und Heucheleien richten wir zu Grunde!"
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>have 5:1 kill:death ratio in Barbarossa (approaching 10:1 for the full war)
>still get BTFO
No wonder Hitler ragequit life.
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>>78048062
As ukrainian you shouldn't talk shit about that t b h.
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>>78044479
When did Deep Battle become memed down to "human wave attacks?
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>>78047662
That's quite funny because had his officers such as Zhukov or Yeremenko (among a sea of others) followed his orders to the dot the Russians would have continued to lose as they were in '41 when Stalin micromanaged the entire disastrous defense.

>>78047857
In the Red Army it was punishable by death if you did not shoot any "comrades" deserting. There was a story of a squad of Russian soldiers crossing the lines to the Germans to surrender and one of them had protested but eventually went along with it. Mid-way through retreating he pretended to tie his laces and made a break back towards the Russian lines. He immedatiely went to the NKVD to report the incident and was executed for cowardice.

The NKVD also encouraged soldiers to report others and so created a natural distrust among the men. The number of casaulities the Russians received is a testament to how terrible the common Red Army was treated. Read the book "Ivan's War" as well it gives great insight into just how shitty life was.

Red Army soldiers knew they could never be honest in letters because they would be censored and there are plenty of cases of "defeatist anti-soviet" letters where the author was, in the Red Army spirit, executed.
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>>78034896
F
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>>78047714
>call krauts subhuman
>naziboo
Where's that reading comprehension, Franz? I thought you were supposed to have a higher IQ and all.
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>>78048090
For how long? Or you think you'll avoid the multi-culti rape train?
Switzerland is already experiencing that. You're next.
>>78048169
Why? it's true. Or gov is 50%+ jewish. Almost all Russian oligharcs are jewsih.
Or you're saying that video is fake?
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>>78048169
The Ukrainians were actually very friendly towards the Germans during the invasion because they despised the Russians as well. In fact many of the war crimes you hear occuring on the Eastern Front where enraged Ukrainians massacring Russians.
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>>78047773
The buthurt is great with this one.

>>78048021
Enver Hoxha, leader of the albanian resistance, and later President of the People's Socialist Republic of Albania.
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>>78048186
How was this measure bad? Stalin was a man of steel, and orders made out of steel needed to be made for any advantage they can get
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>>78048285
The Germans also did us wrong.
But yeah, when it came to hiding your women from sub-humans - it was during Russian liberation
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>>78048355
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>>78048090
don't the swiss have bigger wages?
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>>78048285
They were just traitors who slaughtered poles and allied with the enemy.
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>>78048090
I want to Anschluss you and kick the bankers out.
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>>78047662
>>78048021
>>78048355
Jordi pls go
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>>78034896
Silly little potatonigger.

You spent your entire existence getting fucked in the arse by Based Brits.
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>>78048211
Carlos, go build wall
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>>78048378
I am not necessarily saying that it was a bad thing because Red Army morale was abysmal. However you have to also realize that Stalin knew he had made a mistake in the early war. During the campaign in Stalingrad he passed a law that basically reduced Commissars to mere advisor roles because everyone despised them.

He realized that if you blend too much politics into warfare you lose, Hitler never learned that lesson funny enough.
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>>78048475
Have you ever held a gun, bro?
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>>78048448
Yep the Germans fucked you guys over as well.
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>>78047942
Nah senpai, it's a leftover from their soviet past. Russians sure sacrificed a lot in taking down the nazis, which needed to happen, but acknowledging these Bolshevik bullshit terms serves no purpose.
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>>78048186
And how exactly is that bad? They were getting surprise invaded and need every man.
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>>78048090
Your irrelevant nation was part of the sinking ship that is the EU last I checked. It'll catch up to you sooner or later Franz.
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>>78048575
At least German soldiers didn't behave like complete animals...
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>>78047939
Neo Ottomanism is a wet dream of stupid islamists of 21th century. Back then our fascists were much more planning a Turan Empire.

Ottoman Empire had recently pathetically destroyed and our fascists were hating its islamists legacy. Also it was a empire of a dynasty which was seen as reactionary by fascists.

It is completly inaccurate.
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>>78048455
Chairman Mao Tse Tung, founding father of the People's Republic of China.
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>>78048608
And they did indeed use every man as the long and lengthy list of Red Army KIA shows.

>>78048665
Indeed. The Red Army was fueled by such a lust for blood during the counter-attack into Germany it's one of those unspoken horrors of WW2 for most Allied countries.
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>>78048666
Got it, thanks, Satan!
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>>78048534
I think another Berlin style Wall would do nicely now that you mention it Franz. Then you'll finally get a taste of the communism you so adore.
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>>78046068
>>78048532
kinda just sad tbqh
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>>78044557
Shhhh, stop spreading this nonsense, because
>muh winter
>muh human wave tactics
>muh russian subhumans
>muh mongol rapebabies
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>>78048755
All countries did horrible things against each other. The only thing is - nobody remembers the war crimes against German people, while EVERYBODY remembers what SS did...
Interesting, isn't it?
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>>78048755
And yet they still lost miserably.
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>>78048677
Ernst Thälmann, Secretary General of the KPD during the early nazi years.
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>>78048901
You still haven't answered my posts. Come on man. You can't just ignore me like that
>>78048253
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>>78048901
What the fuck have you ever done Cuxembourg?
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>>78048891
everyone was sick of the germans at that point, since WW1.
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>>78048891
So? It could have been worse. At least they were not dissolved as country, although Russia and the US had every moral right to do so.
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>>78048891
Winners write history.

>>78048901
They didn't really lose miserably all things considered. Even the trapped 6th Army weeks before they eventually surrendered managed to somehow pull off feats of heroism wiping out, in one case during a offensive to break a pocket of German soldiers - 25,000 Russians.

The thing you have to realize is the common Red Army man was not a human being in the machine of the Red Army. You were beyond expendable. Most Red Army soldiers realized this and approached war with a certain fatalism. But you also aren't accepting the fact that many Russians actually surrendered and gave up because they had no interest in fighting for Stalin as well.

Of course most of the POWs the Red Army liberated were simply shot dead by their own men.
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>>78049028
>>78048253
Putin keeps those oligarchs in check. Who controls your chocolate king?
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>>78049090
Like how everyone is sick of you fucking leafs?
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>>78049123
>They didn't really lose miserably all things considered.

>surprise blitzkrieg
>hold for a year before soviet tank productions catches up
>aim for retarded symbolic stalingrad victory instead for going for stratetic more important oilfields in the caucausus
>get BTFO
>pushed back to germany where they get massacred further
>push their leader to suicide
Germans got their ass kicked pretty hard, they never forgot
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>>78049090
>>78049100

Still not fair. Everyone has to be remembered.
>>78049167
>utin keeps those oligarchs in check
AHAHAHAHPAPAHAPHAPAHAHAHAH
What the fuck dude? Eastern Europe is fucking poor shithole. They own mensions, cars, buseinesses, EVERYTHING.
Puting has more money in his offshores than this faggot Potoshenko EVER will.
nobody controls them. They do whatever the fuck they want. It has been like that for decades.
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>>78048186
>literally fighting a race war
>shoot deserters on sight

most of /pol/ would agree this is a good thing desu senpai
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Some Russians were alright.


Hitlers Russian army for example.


httpsen.wikipedia.orgwikiRussian_Liberation_Army
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>>78049021
Josip Broz Tito, leader of the Yugoslav resistance
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"Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen."

"I swear to God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."
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>>78049353
Ukraine is a shithole yes. Russia is poor but still not as bas you.
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>>78044557
Essentially what it came down to was Hitler's obsession with micro managing every aspect of the front. He took advantage of the Prussian officer tradition of following orders in order to push his ideological approach to warfare.

It worked well in the beginning when they were fighting a vastly inferior enemy but even Stalin made massive military reforms in '42-'43 including re-introducing "reactionary" things such as the Order of Kutuzov.

Hitler never gave his officers much independence and as such overwhelmed himself completely and then became obsessed with an ideological war rather than the real war.

Stalingrad was lost very early on and most of the Wehrmacht understood this and wanted to pull back in order to recover during the winter to launch new offensives. Had they done this history may have been different but Hitler became obsessed with victory in Stalingrad. To be fair, so was Stalin and that's why he encouraged NKVD officers to shoot even civilians trying to retreat back across the Volga. (Civilians were allowed to do this but that didn't stop the NKVD from executing people anyways).

>>78049344
You're trolling if you think that. Even when fighting on two collapsing fronts that still managed to fight rather resolutely. The tactics employed by the Waffen-SS were the foundations for all modern warfare.
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>>78049353
wow a ukrainian ranting about putin
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>>78049414
Yeah. Grandfather served in there.
At the end of the war he and his squad evacuated hundreds of German women from Germany, so they could escape the sub-humans.
>>78049509
Liar. You've never been there. It's the same. Outside of Moscow and Peter - Africa
Why do Iget a feeling that you're a proxy. Something's not right with you, man
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>>78049324
Don't you have some dog benis to suck leafy leaf?
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>>78049585
two fronts? How? The western front was literally just a meme front, composed of not even 15% of their army.
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>>78049592
I have business in Ukraine/Russia/Poland.
So I travel around and know things.
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>>78049447
>roach flag
>roaches in pic
oh the irony
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>>78049360
It was beyond deserters. If you were reported or suspected of "anti-Soviet" activity you were liable to be executed.

The Soviets also had plenty of deaths from alcohol consumption as well. Men would run chemicals through gas masks to get "drunk" and often die afterwards.

It was an insane amount of fear and the reality that you were not man that brought the Red Army to such ferocious heights. There were brave Red Army soldiers mind you, but their officers were absolute trash and got a lot of men who would have ordinary survived killed.
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>>78049324
Whiter than you, Chang.
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>>78049747
Hey, he's a decent one. Don't attack him
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>>78048489
This one is dedicated to you, comrade.

Lluís Companys i Jover, President of Catalonia, and Joan Comorera i Soler, leader of the United Socialist Party of Catalonia, between others.
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It's kind of sad when you see pics of these guys out there fighting, wondering if they survived. And then you see little details like wedding rings.
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>>78034896
I cry once a week that they lost against communism and my country helped them lose. Fucking ashamed.
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>>78049689
A meme front is still a front nonetheless and you need to divert supplies and resources too it.

There was technically a third front in North Africa and even a fourth if you want to include Italy.

Regardless, Barbarossa failed because Hitler was obsessed with non-strategic objectives and wanted to seize ideological objectives which he was convinced would have broken the Russian people. He was also convinced the Red Army was on its last leg, which to be fair most of Germany believed as well but when reports started coming in about counter-attacks he didn't take them seriously.
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>>78049585
I agree. However, you have to accept that ironically Hitler's micromanagement led to some very surprising victories early on that would not have been achieved by the German military leadership without his suggestion.

>attacking France through the ardennes was largely opposed by military leadership and only happened because of Hitler's insistence
>The push south towards the oil fields in '42 resulted in some of Germany's greatest victories and large numbers of soviety POWs, german leadership stuck in a decisive battle doctrine wanted to continue push towards Moscow that was sure to fail thanks to soviet reinforcements
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>>78048489
Another one for my friend, el nazi morenito.

Georgi Dimitrov, antifascist leader and bulgarian communist.
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>>78049803
Eat a bullet, commieboo.
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>>78039463
>ever good at fighting
Pasta trolls are my favorite posts.
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>>78049941
How could they know back then?
It's the politicians, man. Men slaughter each other so the politicians can make arrangements afterwards
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>>78049758
Blahblahblah quit posting your crybaby shit.

any surviving WW2 Soviet veteran will tell you, despite all the horror and hardship, he's proud of having served and would do it again in a heartbeat if the clock was turned back.
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>>78039463
Why haven't we just range banned all Canadians yet?
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>>78050015
Zoia Kosmodemianskaia, russian guerrilla fighter during the Great Patriotic War.
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>>78050114
All the rapebooty at the end was worth it for those who managed to survive, of course they're proud to have served.
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F
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>>78050336
Well they defended their country and repelled an invasion successfully. The americans needed French and Russian help during their revolutionary war and yet the canadians still managed to burn down your capital. Pretty pathetic.
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>>78045456
Um you did.....
You also committed acts as barbaric as they did. Go rape some more concentration camp inmates, strafe civilians running from combat zones with your planes, go rape 12 year Olds again and burn villages down out of revenge. Oh wait some of those villages and people were Ukrainian, Polish, Latvian, etc. Fuck you guys.
>this triggers Dimitri
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>>78040973
>No intention of attacking

USSR taking down their defenses and mobilizing their troops to offensive positions?

Nothing to see here!
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>>78049636
Amazing!
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>>78049747
>be slave to Turks for 500 years
>call Turks roach

You are alive because Turks let your worthless ancestors to live.

>>78050332
(((you)))
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>>78049988
>I agree. However, you have to accept that ironically Hitler's micromanagement led to some very surprising victories early on that would not have been achieved by the German military leadership without his suggestion.

I'm not denying this either but at some point a man must realize that he is hindering progress and success and ultimately Hitler was convinced he was correct in all walks of life and blamed others for his own mistakes.

>>78050114
Every soldier was proud of their duty but that doesn't negate the fact that there were plenty of Soviet's who surrendered, gave up, and in many cases (including the 50,000 Russian volunteers who fought for the German 6th Army as "Hiwis") fought against Stalin's regime.
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>>78050047
Do you mean, like Hitler did? Take another picture just for you, a traitor to his country ;)

Georges Politzer, french philosopher and resistance member.
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>>78041118
Patton and MacArthur had the right idea.

China and Russia could have been US acolyte states by now.
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>>78050705
It's rather funny that a Spanish Leftist is posting considering his side even with Soviet aid got their absolute heads kicked in during the Civil War. You even resorted to massacring priests and nuns because of how desperate the situation got.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYG8gTT3N7k
Good song for the thread
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>>78050681
You will never be american, turkroach ;)

>>78050705

Albert Ouzoulias, french psychologist and leader of the communist resistance.
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>>78050484
You're getting the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 mixed up Franz. Are you sure about that higher IQ you were talking about earlier? Anyway, only the French helped to any real significant degree and even that was mostly restricted to a naval presence toward the end of the conflict. Also, the Canadians burning down the white house is just a meme since they have no real victory over us, it was British troops who lit the place up, only to get their asses handed to them by a tornado afterward.
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>>78050752
>China and Russia could have been US acolyte states by now.

And this would be good, why?

It's not like its Russia or China spreading multicult degeneracy around the world. Or importing millions of mexicans daily.
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>>78050991
So what? You will never win the civil war. Han pasado motherfucker.
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>>78050705
If you prefer ice picks, that's fine too pinko faggot.
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>>78050705
>got btfo in Spanish civil war
Fuck off degenerate commie, fucking unbelievable.
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>>78043015
>t. Νίkος Ζαχαριάδης
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>>78050991
Salvador Allende, another communist made good.
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>>78051202
>It's not like its Russia or China spreading multicult degeneracy around the world.
>What is Marxism
>What is commie era internationalism
>What is commie "export of revolution"
>What is commie brainwashing in general
Present day multiculti is exactly what USSR tried to accomplish.
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>>78050799
Burning chuches was not part of any strategy for winning the war, it was a traditional form of protest during strikes. Check the "setmana tràgica" on google for more info. And we lasted alone three years, which was more than what France ever did. Also, spanish antifascists were everywere during the Second World War, including Russia, France and Italy.

>>78050493

Actually, that guy was a socialdemocrat. You should read a book before talking, nigger.

Just for you, my burger friend:
Sanzo Nosaka, founder of the Communist Party of Japan.
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>>78051682
Soviets were hard-core nationalists with just a hint of marxist flavor.

Any old-school Russian commie would be appalled by what's happening to the west.
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>>78051396
Another socialdemocrat, and a petit burgeoise fool to boot. You should really read a book, nigger.

Aris Velouchiotis, leader of the National Liberation Front and member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Greece.
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>>78051734
>"social democrat"
>implying there's a difference
Fine, here's a dead Real Communist™ for you that asspains pinko filth to this day.
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>>78046322
Pleasant to see Pierre and Hans standing together against mehmet
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>>78051898
>Soviets were hard-core nationalists
Stop, just stop dude, you are completely unfamiliar with the topic at hand. Shit like this is even worse than magical Nihon weaboos jack off to.
Nationalism was actively suppressed while "all people are brothers" nonsense was drilled into every skull since early age.
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>>78052162
>Stalin and Obama are literally the same, dude!
Shit, I forgot that I was talking to an american.

If you really wanna learn what are you talking about, you should start by reading this.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/

I know that dank memes and badly made "redpilled" youtube videos are cooler, but reading won't do you any harm ;)


Eugène Hénaff, french communist and antifascist leader.
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So this is the power od III Reich ?
Huh really makes you think
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>>78051318
Thanks comrade, you made me remember of another great communist of the Second World War ;)

Ramon Mercader del Rio, catalan communist and executioner of the traitor Trotsky.
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>>78053805
This is an enemy territory Pedro. Go to reddit. You will find your cancerous kind on there.
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>>78051350
>Carrero Blanco
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>>78045456
>Make the numbers even

But the Russians were trying their best to lose as many people as possible
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>>78034896
Nope.
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>>78054056
>Muh reddit meme

Great argument.
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>>78034896
F
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>>78044479
>5
Soviet loses ~11 mil. Axis loses ~10 mil.
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>>78054484
you have to factor out the Italian """""""""""soldiers"""""""""'"
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>>78053805
I can't help but be curious with you being a spanish pinko faggot, is that you getting bashed in gif related?
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