All memes aside, there's no reason why ordinary civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles.
>>77994905
This. I vote for gun control every time, but heavily outnumbered by the rednecks. Luckily all historical data shows that society gets more progressive over time; I have no doubt gun control will be significant in a few generations.
>>77994905
coward, it's just a tool, you decide how to use it
>All memes aside
>there's no reason why ordinary civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles.
Try again.
To resist tyranny.
>>77995050
The word progressive is meaningless and changes overtime. Gun control has actually gotten weaker in the US.
>>77994905
You're at a higher risk of falling down the stairs than being killed by an assault rifle. A country with a gun loving culture is a country no one wants to conquer. You're lucky you're a leaf, but other countries aren't so lucky.
>allowed
>>77994905
Look up the letters of marque is
The colonists were perfectly fine with civilians owning cannons and warships
>>77994905
Fuck off, leaf faggot.
>>77994905
How do you define the term "assault riffle"? Let's start there.
>>77994905
I'll take incidents of democide in the 20th century for 800, Alex
>>77994905
SHALL
>>77994905
If they have a right to protect themselves from one person, they have a right to protect themselves from a gang of people.
If an assault rifle should be illegal, there is no reason the military should use it, until weapons are banned for military use, they shouldn't be banned from civilian use per the 2nd amendment.
>>77994905
What's an assault rifle?
>>77995196
Wrong.
Little known fun fact: The communist party in Weimar Germany had an anti-fascist militia, well armed and over 100,000 men strong, made up in large parts of combat experienced WWI front fighters. Didn't stop the tyranny. For scale, Weimar Germany had a population of about 63,000,000. Compared with today's 300,000,000 Americans you'd need more than 500,000 members to reach a similar size.
More guns is always better, Nothing like having a criminal second guess whether it's worth it to break into my house or not vs. living in a country where guns aren't allowed to be owned by law abiding citizens. Criminals take note of that and target those cities and areas because the civilians are sitting ducks waiting to be plundered.
Let's say there isn't. Let's ignore all historical and political context and assume that you are right, that there is no "good" (which is an opinion) reason to own an assault rifle.
You are the one trying to ban something. You are the one trying to get the government involved in outlawing a profitable industry and popular hobby. The burden of finding a reason to do that is on you. And, according to any statistics or data, you have nothing.
That's why this is the most common argument the left makes. Guns are bad because they are scary/they were on the news/bad guys use them. But when you say that out loud it sounds stupid because it is. So they immediately deflect the question back, and find themselves justified.
>>77994905
All memes aside, there's no reason why ordinary civilians shouldn't be allowed to own assault rifles.
Prove me wrong.
Protip, you can't.
>>77995367
>>77995427
Funny how gun nuts can't debate substance, so they bicker semantics.
>>77995412
If you want to use an assault rifle, go join the military.
>>77994905
Also most people don't own assault rifles retard. Most people own regular semi automatic rifles and hand guns.
Please get educated
>>77995470
yeah, 100,000 of 63,000,000 is sure a big army
>>77995470
considering there's about 80 million gun owners in the US, I'd say we got the numbers,
>>77994905
The founding fathers intended us to have access to the same arms that the government is capable of using. Plain and simple.
>>77994905
You say assault rifle I say defense rifle. Stay cucked leaf.
>>77995574
Waco
North hollywood
Sandy Hook
Aurora
San Bernardino
Orlando
Etc..etc...
>>77995143
based James
Omar did not use an assault rifle for the shooting.
It was a semi-automatic rifle with scurry black paint.
Can we let this meme die?
>>77994905
I understand that a lot of gun nuts ate afraid of Hillary or Obama being a gun grabber with all the rhetoric out there. What I don't get is how have we gotten to the point where these people think semi auto rifles are going to protect you from the the government if they "come for your guns". If SWAT is at your door and you aren't already innawoods you're gonna get killed.
There's no reason why ordinary civilians should be allowed to be Muslims either.
>>77995050
I vote for gun freedom every time. Luckily we still outnumber the liberal pussies. Good thing that society gets more progressive over time, meaning that gun laws generally become more lax. I believe there will be no appreciable restraint to gun ownership in a few generations.
Thank God, wiser minds are prevailing.
>>77994905
Because the civilian population is suppose to have weapons on par with the government but you are a foreigner who has no say in our politics.
>>77995656
You gun nuts get so pissed when people bring up assault rifles, it's hilarious. You have no real arguments, so you go for terminology.
>Canadian
lolololololol
See, this picture isn't what pro gun people are trying to say. Overthrowing a government or getting guns to defend against a horde of SWAT units isnt what people are even worried about.
We get guns to defend ourselves from Jamal, Tyrone, Jose, Pablo, and Shawn the crust punk.
>>77995746
None of those used assault rifles
Except for government agents
>>77995596
You'll be sorry one day when the tusken raiders are banging down your door and all you have is your kitchen butter knife to defend yourself.
>>77995900
>>77994905
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>>77995916
>we're not paranoid tin foilers, we're only cowardly racists!
How does this help your side exactly?
First off there is no need for a fucking LEAF to have an opinion on american rights, second off praise kek
>>77995596
I'm not a gun nut, I actually support some further restrictions, but if OP wants to discuss whether or not assault riffles should be banned, then we should sure as shit know what the term "assault riffle" means. There is no standard definition used in politics and it means whatever the person discussing it wants outlawed.
>>77995470
>A communist party had a militia to keep them in power
>the people chose another party and their militia failed
this makes me want guns more
>>77995871
The real question is, why are you so afraid of a legal gun owner? Statistics show that we are by far the smallest percentile that actually perform crimes let alone perform one with a firearm.
>>77995968
>muh semantics
Not an argument.
>>77994905
Tradition is far more important than superficial safety. lack of community is the route cause of "mass shootings". They will happen no matter the law because the perpetrator will always have a way to acquire the right tools. Quite literally chipping a piece of your nation's hegemony for a quick fix will only lead to more problem, or worse, a new nation.
Wanna stop mass shootings? Go to church, Stop using drugs, stop whining about being "depressed" and make an effort to improve yourself, and finally- more guns is the only practical way to decrease "mass shootings", because everyone who wants gun control doesn't seem to care about the individual every day counts, they'd be "racist" if that were the case.
>>77995746
Waco as far as I can tell is an excellent example of federal abuse of power, and the following arguments used keep pointing me in one direction; if citizens had been educated and armed then these crimes would have been prevented.
You argue that one man with a legal firearm can do more damage than many men could prevent with legal firearms; the fallacy being that we already live in a society that disdains firearms so much so that these criminals have been able to commit such crimes without a single shred of resistance.
Remember that police show up with the ambulance, after the shooting has taken place.
>>77995596
I don't need to because I live in an empowered egalitarian country where the government doesn't disenfranchise its people in favor of its soldiers.
>>77996033
Niggers are a problem. Stating that is nor racist, you shitlord. Check your liberal privilege.
>>77994905
>mental illness is the problem
But mental illness is already a bar that prevents you from buying firearms...
>>77996128
>let's ban assault guns
>because definition, the weapons that use school shooters are still allowed
not much help
>>77994905
>allowed
Like your news outlets are "allowed" to report the news?
>The Canadian government regulates media ownership and the state of media through the Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission. In section 3 of the Canadian Broadcasting Act, it states media organizations should reflect "equal rights, the linguistic duality and multicultural and multiracial nature society and the special place of aboriginal peoples within that society".[6]
Fuck off.
>>77994905
Look at Mexico, the police don't protect citizens from the Cartels, and they confiscate their weapons. If you own a gun you can be self-reliant, otherwise you're reliant on state protection.
Why is this still being shilled. The votes are over and the pussies lost.
>>77996055
Dubs
HE HAS SPOKEN. THIS IS NOW A KEK THREAD
>>77994905
Fuck you're a retard. Why stop them from owning anything? That's how the law works, it's legal until there is a law prohibiting it, so you have to come up with an argument as to why it should be illegal.
>>77995746
Add them all up and the instance of deaths in those types of shootings is negligible in comparison to overall gun ownership.
You don't curtail the freedom of millions and millions of law-abiding citizens on account of a few unstable individuals.
Like I said, you can't.
>>77996281
I want of this fucking ride.
>>77996131
Any source for this lack of comminuty claim? What about before 1950s America when people didn't go to church (weren't christian at least) and did drugs more frequently than even today? You're so full of shit.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367?SThisFB%3FSThisFB
This is what a massacre looks like when firearms are not involved. Also if you do some digging you will find that there was more than 1 shooter in the Orlando shooting. The news never reported it and it was covered up.
>>77994905
all memes aside, youre wrong.
I AM SILLY
>>77994905
Define assault rifle, fucking leaf.
>>77995320
Underrated btw.
>>77994905
>2012
How topical.
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>>77994905
All memes aside, there's no reason why the government should only be allowed to own assault rifles.
I hate you Canada. I hate you so fucking much.
>>77996143
Waco is an example of what happens to child raping right wingers when they think they can rebel against the government with their AR-15s.
>>77996085
>le germans chose nazis meme
The nazis were nothing but a bunch of street thugs who seized power. The highest amount of popular vote they ever got was 42%.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-picturing-nazis-wrong/
REGULATED
MILITIA,
>>77996654
MEME
>>77996598
Thought out reading of the 2A will indicate that the right to keep and bear arms belongs to the people, as they constitute the militia, and in order for the militia to be in functioning order, they require that the people can keep and bear arms on par with what the military uses.
BEING
>>77994905
what the fuck is an "assault" rifle?
NECESSARY
>>77994905
Civilian ownership of automatic weapons has been illegal since 1934.
>>77994905
So only extraordinary ones? Like the 1%? ....
TO
>>77996352
Assault rifles were made with one purpose, to kill people on the battlefield. They should not be in civilian hands.
THE
>>77996650
Are you trying to tell me 42% of the popular vote is not significant?
>>77996725
no its not. you just need a cuck stamp
>>77995596
>you literally want to ban something, but cannot define what it is
>"that's just semantics"
maximum kek
>>77996622
Hey man, we aren't all as delusional as OP
SECURITY
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>>77995196
Im pro gun but this is stupid and you know it
the moment you try to "resist tyranny" they'll put 50 bullets in your skull
>>77996783
How you going to get the criminals to hand in their "assault rifles"
protip
>you aren't
>>77996783
>They should not be in civilian hands.
That's a great opinion you have there, faggot. I should really like and subscribe to your blog.
>>77996725
You don't need full auto for a rifle to be classified as an assault rifle. The M16 had it's full auto capability removed after the first models, and yet it's still considered an assault rifle.
>>77996883
whats is asymmetric warfare?
A
We're all stuck on this tiny blue orb careening through space on the verge of losing all hope to expand into the galaxy and you're focused on pathetic bullshit like this? Okay say we ban assault weapons after successfully defining them and successfully convincing congress they'll be reelected if they ban them. For the most part people voluntarily give up their guns but then the 1% that don't all keep their assault weapons. 1% of 300mil is still 3 million people all willing to die over their access to these weapons. Do you want the blood of at least the people willing to die for their rights to weapons, not including the officers coming for the guns that die, or do you want the blood of 50 every few years? The funniest part to me is that either way it doesn't fucking matter, we're hate-filled self-centered bags of shit and that's the absolute majority. We're going nowhere fast as a species but yeah let's focus on 50 dead, not even the millions from starvation or cancer or car accidents
>>77996650
I am by no means defending sick criminals but I implore you to remember who writes history, and what is destined to repeat itself.
Arm all citizens and I can assure you less harm will come to them. Educate all civilians and I promise you will have a stronger nation.
Disarming and threatening your people will lead directly to the fall of your nation.
This is not a threat, this is an observation of history.
FREE
>>77996783
full-auto fire is used for suppression, it would be really hard to kill a lot of people with an assault rifle used in such a way
the only way it's easy is if in close quarters with a bunch of unarmed victims, such as a gun-free zone :^)
>>77996912
Define arms. Is it legal to open carry grenades?
>>77996622
We hate ourselves too.
That's why we want to be bred out of existence, and let the government take all of our guns. We also want to destroy what little national heritage we have by rewriting it.
There's no where in the western world to run either.
The leaf is dead.
>>77996622
don't let that fucker ruin it for us. I personally love guns.
STATE
TO
>>77996783
They aren't though, no full auto capabilities. Not to mention there were a few marketed towards civilians like the Federov in the 1920s and 1930s before the American NFA went into place.
>>77994905
why is it a mental illness to think the government might turn on you in the future, and you will have to fight back?
>>77996783
Maybe in your country but in real democracies, the civilians have a right to protect themselves with the same weaponry that the soldiers can attack them with.
yeah. it's not a mental illness problem. We're just to scared to be called racist for what the real problem is...
>>77995871
>you have no real arguments
>you gun nuts are so mad
>you gun nuts are so dumb
>you gun nuts are so barbaric
Quite literally kill yourself
t. someone who has never fired a gun
>>77996783
Go digging around on normal legal retailers for how many fully automatic, high capacity and high caliber guns you can buy then come back with a list.
Then you may have a single shred of credibility.
>>77996939
No it didn't they switched back and forth between various models with full auto or 3 round burst, both legally are considered to be fully automatic since they fire more than 1 round per pull of the trigger. In the mean time, the AR15 only fires one round per pull of the trigger, and would take significant machining capabilities to alter to full auto to the point where the person could just manufacture new full auto guns from scratch.
>>77994905
there needs to be a bunch of white people with guns somewhere or another, or the rest of the planet will tear each other to shreds forever. the only thing that stops all the brown people from killing each other sometimes is the awareness that somewhere out there, there is a white person who is sick of all the commotion.
so help me god if you all don't stop fighting i will kill every last one of you :3
>>77996650
The people at Waco were killed by an incendiary placed inside by the people breaching into the compound. Hell. even they even started shooting each other accidentally when one woman's shotgun went off. We were shooting at our own guys. The people inside never fired at us.
>>77995596
>so they bicker semantics.
No, it's just to prove you are trying to talk about something you know jack shit about.
>>77994905
>that image
I
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>>77995746
North Hollywood doesn't really fit into that box, that was more of why police needed AR-15s and SWAT needed armored trucks.
>>77996992
Yes, and any organization who says otherwise is infringing upon my Constitution rights.
I can own a functional tank for fuck's sake.
https://youtu.be/vvkLaa9bogU?t=267
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>>77997204
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>>77996783
>Assault rifles were made with one purpose, to kill people on the battlefield
That's why we want them. If the US ever turns into one, I want to be able to kill my enemies.
>>77996387
How many mass shooters are well known and popular? They are always "lone" for a reason. It's always for nihilism or political ideology, another babby's first nihilism gone too far. Obviously this is all conjecture, but chipping away at 2a is like putting a piece of toilet paper on a gashed, infected wound.
lack of morality, lack of community. No one goes to church anymore.
american freedom is a crowning achievement. If you disagree, you honestly a spoiled brat, this is the last free place on earth, go kiss ass in venezula to a fat pimp for 0.12 cents an hour.
also what about the 1950's? people were murdered a lot easier, blacks and whites were segregated, and the population was half (150,000,000) then (310,000,000) now.
I'm sure there were plenty of murders.
>>77994905
>board full of mental illness discuss about mental illness
>>77996786
No, he's telling you they didn't have the popular mandate everyone assumes.
>>77994905
Yeah there is, it's called history.
>>77995871
>You have no real arguments
That might be related to you not having any as well.
Provide proper arguments and maybe you'll get some back.
>>77994905
> there's no reason why ordinary civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles.
other than the 2nd Amendment
PEOPLE
>>77997182
In what states is is legal to open carry grenades? Can you link me to the law on the books?
What about nuclear weapons? Why can't we own those? You think a few AR-15's are going to stop the US military? You can't even hit a drone with those.
TO
>>77994905
Fucking leaf.
KEEP
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BEAR
What is the gun violence rate of NRA members vs non NRA members? How about Hilary supporters vs Trump supporters?
>>77994905
>should be allowed
By who?
Once you start going down that slope.....
ARMS
>>77997414
There's no reason the constitution hasn't been re-written yet. That was the intent of the founding fathers as well.
Speaking of which, why do those guys matter? Why is their word holy? They were just terrorists too, george washington was even a traitor.
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>>77994905
nice meme
>>77997427
>Why can't we own those?
Because they cost millions if not billions to develop.
>>77997427
>You think a few AR-15's are going to stop the US military?
Yeah like a bunch of farmers with AKs havent stopped the US on multiple occasions
>>77995596
Not a gun nut. I just want to know what an assault rifle is.
Are you incapable of saying?
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>>77994905
People in glass houses. Fucking IWI Tavor Palestinian killing machines can be had in Canada.
>>77997427
Fully enough it's actually possible to get a nuke in the USA provided you follow all the relevant laws regarding explosives, it's just prohibitively expensive. Also, drones, tanks, and jets won't do shit against urban guerrilla fighters, just like they currently barely do shit against mudshit fighters in the ME and had extremely difficult times doing shit against rice niggers in Vietnam. Asymmetrical warfare is the point, they can't bomb their own cities, it's retarded to think they'll do so, they have to use infantry and infantry are vulnerable to bullets.
>>77994905
If you are not a criminal you should be able to own assault rifles imho.
>>77994905
9/11 wouldnt have happened if it was a gun free zone baka
>>77997729
Define a well-regulated militia.
>>77997427
>In what states is is legal to open carry grenades? Can you link me to the law on the books?
Yeah all the ones you can't link me to to where they are illegal. The Constitution takes supreme power and precedence here. Have fun looking through 50 states' worth of laws.
>What about nuclear weapons? Why can't we own those?
You tell me, fag. Cite why we "can't".
>You think a few AR-15's are going to stop the US military?
See pic related, realize how retarded you are, and then ask the jungle gooks in Vietnam how they did it.
>>77997371
Only the mentally ill lack the filters to properly discuss the mentally ill.
>>77997779
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>>77997779
A militia made up of all abled bodied men between 17 and 45 that is in well working order? Are you fucking retarded?
>>77997427
>You think a few Muskets are going to stop the British Military?
>You think a few AK47s are going to stop the US military?
>You think a few IEDs are going to stop the US military?
>>77997779
According to US law it's any able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45. In addition the SCOTUS has ruled that being a member of an active militia group isn't required to have the right to keep and bear arms (you know, since the right belongs to the people).
>>77997779
Entirely irrelevant, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state," is merely the justification for "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Any semantics-based argument clearly favors those against gun-control. One would need to amend the constitution to get around it
>>77997779
Let the state define it for you and lose what rights you have.
>>77997877
So no fatties? No aspies?
And who calls up the militia and commands it?
>>77995714
>1776 applies to the 21st century
>Bubba owns an AR-15, therefore has parity to govt military arsenal
Jesus christ...
>>77994905
Most Americans cannot own assault rifles, they are a class 3 weapon.
>>77995996
I hear they are coming back in greater numbers
>>77996650
You actually used Cracked as a source? Holy wow.
>>77997958
It is a non-organized militia. It does not need to be called up or commanded. And fatties can still be abled bodied as there are no set standards as there are for the military.
>>77998059
So there is no provision in the Constitution for calling up the militia? Are you sure about that?
Ok, so fatties are allowed. How about blind people? wheel-chair warriors? Are they "able-bodied"?
>>77994905
and civilians in USA are not allowed to own assault rifles since 1986. What's your point?
>>77997276
turns into one what?
>>77998151
I am positive. The Militia is not defined in the Constitution, it is defined in the US Code and the Miltia act, and that is a stupid question, as I just said, there is no defined standard. You are acting retarded because you know you have lost. The Supreme Court has not only ruled in favor of civilian gun ownership, and the Constitution itself merely states the right to bear arms is necessary to form a militia, and the ultimately the people have the right to bear arms.
>>77998335
A battlefield
>>77997592
>Because they cost millions if not billions to develop.
People have private jets, don't they? You don't need to develop them, just buy them.
>Yeah like a bunch of farmers with AKs havent stopped the US on multiple occasions
Afghanistan happens to have some of the worst terrain on earth. There's nothing in the states even close outside of death valley.
>>77997652
Who owns one?
>>77997802
>Yeah all the ones you can't link me to to where they are illegal. The Constitution takes supreme power and precedence here. Have fun looking through 50 states' worth of laws.
You should be able to find at least a few nuts boasting about it somewhere.
>You tell me, fag. Cite why we "can't".
People can't even be responsible with guns.
>See pic related, realize how retarded you are, and then ask the jungle gooks in Vietnam how they did it.
I'm not reading that.
The terrain isn't going to save you from the us military. Red Dawn was not a documentary,
>>77995196
Then how exactly did the United States become free from England?
>>77997600
A gun that is Automatic, selective-fire, intermediate cartridge, external magazine
>>77998442
England had bigger fish to fry and the ocean made logistics too expensive to be worth it. Once they figured out they could get tar from boiling coal, they didn't really care about losing the colonies anymore. There's a reason the revolutionary war covers only half a page in british history books.
>>77998151
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311#
>>77997779
According to americlaps, a well-regulated militia is a sweaty bubba in a trailer park with a crate of AR-15s
You dun goofed burgers
On the topic of the second amendment, can I legally buy a battle tank? And if so, how?
>>77998151
Able-bodied means those without a physical impairment/disability. Until obesity is considered a disability (this has no chance of happening really, there are just too many of them for disability benefits to be viable) they'll be allowed in.
>How about blind people? wheel-chair warriors? Are they "able-bodied"?
They have a disability, so no
>>77994905
We can own these "assault" rifles in Canada, anybody can buy an AR-15 or AK here with restricted license, which is also not hard to get in Canada a lot of my friends have them.
The only difference is our cuck government makes us pin the clips which has never, ever, stopped a spree terrorist (Bourque) or school shooter nutjob (Kimveer Gill) who just import normal mags or cut the pin out. Criminals have no problem bypassing the pinned clips either.
Personally I don't give a fuck about rifles, I want a law where I can legally conceal carry a handgun to defend myself on the streets as our shitty governments keep filling them with mentally unstable Somali rapefugees
>>77998437
>Afghanistan happens to have some of the worst terrain on earth. There's nothing in the states even close outside of death valley.
What are you, from Kansas? The US has tons of Terrain that is pretty similar, and it does not need to have that, we can have rebels in our own cities, they can't do drone strikes in hometown, USA and kill their own taxbase. A war on US soil is unwinnable for the govt. Turning cities into combat zones eliminate tax dollars and kills morale for your citizens. You think Mr. Drone Operator is going to launch a missile into suburbia? Risking the lives of his fellow citizens? The Pentagon even knows the defection rate if it were to happen would be over 50%
>>77995815
You think SWAT wants to break down the doors of 50 million + people and just pray to god that guy doesnt kill one or two of them in his own house? If AR's get banned im loading mine with green tip 5.56, and keeping it loaded on a peg on my wall by my bed. Come for it, it will make butter of your body armor. I can get one or two of you.
>>77998707
>they can't do drone strikes in hometown, USA and kill their own taxbase.
They won't have to, the populace will oust you themselves. You'll be a terrorist, people don't like terrorists.
I don't think you realize how easy it is for people to kill people once you dehumanize them. We've done it for centuries now. Might as well say "the colonies would never rebel, for we are their countrymen!"
>>77998409
Constitution Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15
"The Congress shall have Power To... provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"
Whoops.
Looks like the purpose of that well-regulated militia is not to resist government tyranny in armed insurrection, but actually to repel invaders and squash armed insurrection.
>>77998678
Tanks are absurdly expensive and the most modern ones won't be sold to you. But you can buy outdated mbt's and with proper licensing you can buy shells for it
>>77998626
It really doesn't matter what our militias are defined as though, it doesn't say anywhere that "only militia members can bear arms", it says essentially "because a militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the government cannot prevent citizens from owning firearms"
>>77998703
>legally carry a gun to defend myself
>being this paranoid
Holy fuck you are a gigantic pussy.
t. Soldier
>>77998703
The only AKs we can own are the Valmets, but they're non restricted. We can also own a down guns that are equivalent to the AK, also non restricted.
>>77998437
>You should be able to find at least a few nuts boasting about it somewhere.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Link me to where open carrying grenades are illegal anywhere or fuck off, faggot.
>People can't even be responsible with guns.
I've owned plenty of guns throughout my life and haven't shot anyone or anything I didn't intend to shoot down range. This one anecdote disproves this argument.
>I'm not reading that.
Fair enough, I sense that you are a bit drunk considering the hour. Just know that Vietnam is a prime example of guerilla warfare completely rekking the US military.
>>77998824
This is why people shouldn't have guns. Mental instability is endemic in our species.
>>77998824
Internet tough guy
>I AM SILLY!!!!!!
>>77998462
And how many of those guns have been used in any of these mass shootings? In fact, what permit does one need to get in order to own something of that description?
>>77998862
What's wrong with carrying a gun to protect yourself? I don't a shit if people think I'm a pussy, I'd rather be a living pussy than a dead badass.
>>77998885
>What the fuck are you even talking about? Link me to where open carrying grenades are illegal anywhere or fuck off, faggot.
Make me, asshole.
>I've owned plenty of guns throughout my life and haven't shot anyone or anything I didn't intend to shoot down range. This one anecdote disproves this argument.
Anecdotes aren't data, jackass.
>Fair enough, I sense that you are a bit drunk considering the hour. Just know that Vietnam is a prime example of guerilla warfare completely rekking the US military.
My dad was a vietnam vet. There's nothing someone like you could tell me.
>>77998840
>They won't have to, the populace will oust you themselves. You'll be a terrorist, people don't like terrorists.
So guess what? Traitors will be tarred and feathered or killed like they were back in 1776. I agree that it is easy once you dehumanize them, it is easy to fight them. But it's hard to support the government once a missile accidently blows up Mr. And Mrs. White America and their 4 children who were just watching TV. You already see it happen in the ME. People would switch sides seeing war crimes happen right in front of them. You think people would support the US Military once they start locking down streets, restricting travel and searching houses without permission?
>>77998688
So, according to law, only people who should be able to buy a gun are people not in wheel chairs, not blind, and between ages of 17 and 45, as they are the well-regulated militia?
>>77998873
IIRC, aren't semi-auto center fire rifles classified as restricted? I think your pic is fucked.
>>77997965
Private citizens legally owned warships and cannons when it was written.
>>77994905
FUCK YOU LEAF
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>77997889
Fucking proud of you, Leaf.
>>77999084
Well-regulated militia
>>77998992
>to protect yourself
How could a gun ever be sufficient for that task? If you're okay with degrees of safety that aren't absolute, hey, welcome to the rest of the world that doesn't need to carry a gun.
>>77998862
Tell me all about your deployment hiding in a tent. Where I live there's gangster sand nogs that have moved in everywhere and I don't particularily enjoy getting in a knife fight 10 vs 1 trying to keep them off my wife.
t. 1RCR Petawawa 1993
>>77999020
You're the traitor though. By definition raising arms against the government of the land is terrorism. Nobody is going to support you, they're going to laugh and send you boxes of dildos at best.
>>77999037
>Ignores the numerous times he has been told the Supreme Court has clarified that personal ownership is a right, regardless of being in a militia
>>77997889
Scotus also says a fetus isn't a person but corporations are.
>>77999113
>not carrying a gun
>>77998929
No assault rifle has ever been used in a mass shooting in the USA, in fact only 2 registered machine guns were ever used in criminal acts since 1934, and one of the owners was actually a former cop. To own a firearm capable of full auto is nearly year long process including background checks, registration, and dealing with the ATF, just so you can buy a firearm who's price has been artificially inflated because there haven't been any new full auto guns entering the civilian market since the 80s.
>>77998994
>>I've owned plenty of guns throughout my life and haven't shot anyone or anything I didn't intend to shoot down range. This one anecdote disproves this argument.
>Anecdotes aren't data, jackass.
You made a blanket statement that it's impossible to own a gun without being irresponsible with it. One person being responsible is all it takes to prove you wrong.
>>77999084
Its...beautiful.
>>77999108
>Debunked
I'm convinced you are trolling because you keep getting BTFO and then ignoring it
>>77999037
>A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the well regulated militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Which version are you reading?
>>77994905
Yes there is. It's called the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
>>77999216
>You made a blanket statement that it's impossible to own a gun without being irresponsible with it. One person being responsible is all it takes to prove you wrong.
I never said impossible. I guess your tinfoil helmet is leaking.
>>77999188
I would be a traitor to the government, not the people. You forget who gets power from who. The government gets power from the people. Our founding fathers were traitors to the British. I was speaking merely for traitors to our side.
>>77999216
Ok, so now that we've established that assault weapons aren't actually a problem, and that they're already really hard to get; why do people want to ban them?
>>77998992
Because it is impractical to guarantee only level-headed people such as ourselves to be armed. Psychos slip through the cracks and ruin it for everyone. Its not worth it.
>>77999069
Nope, only if the barrel length is under 18.5". Otherwise they're NR.
>Centerfire semi autos with a barrel length >18.5" are NR unless named otherwise
>Centerfire semi autos with a barrel length <18.5" are restricted
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUMv120oCw
"What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very very loud.
It felt to me like a bazooka — and sounded like a cannon.
But mostly, I was just terrified.
Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).
The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."
Gersh (((Kuntzman)))
Globalist Propagandist
New York Daily News
>>77994905
a fucking leaf
>>77999188
>raising arms against the government of the land is terrorism
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
>>77999037
what law?
You think the first part of the 2nd Amendment is a prerequisite to keeping and bearing arms?
>>77998929
Not many, but I know that it's harder to get. Also I know a few people refuse to get them since they worry that the government would spy on them.
>>77999037
No, according to the law " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".
"The people", not "the militia". "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" is a justification clause
>>77999077
And private citizens used to own slaves. What's your point? All I'm trying to say was that the 2nd Amendment was vital to Revolutionary America, but NOW its anachronistic.
>>77999323
Because liberals are retards that believe whatever.
>>77994905
All memes aside, OP is a faggot.
Sage this shitty thread. The fact that it has 220 replies is why /pol/ is dying
>>77999343
What a fucking
C U C K
U
C
K
>>77994905
There's no reason you should be allowed a lot of shit.
>>77999320
The colonies were british. Born and raised. It's how they self-identified. Washington himself was a british general before becoming what we would call a terrorist.
Just because you think you're right and just and noble does not mean everyone is going to support you. Look at how well it worked out for those ranchers in oregon. That's exactly what you can expect.
>>77997555
God damnit anon, they didn't kill innocent women and children, they did not employ terror tactics, and they fought for the rights of all men. Stop being a faggot.
>>77999271
The second amendment is directly and specifically referring to a well-regulated militia as the reason people should be armed.
If you are not within the criteria of what constitutes a militia, you have no reason to be armed. Furthermore, according to the Constitution, the purpose of the militia (and being armed) is NOT to fight the government if you don't like it (that's what elections are for), but rather to help the government kill gun-nuts, Canadians, and Beaners that want to invade.
>>77998994
>Make me, asshole.
No, I won't. So this entire argument is null and void, thanks man.
>Anecdotes aren't data, jackass.
Your argument was
>People can't even be responsible with guns.
All it takes is an anecdote to prove you retarded broad premise when you put it up like that. I have been responsible with guns, therefore, your argument is invalid.
>My dad was a vietnam vet. There's nothing someone like you could tell me.
What about guerilla warfare completely destroying the US military?
>>77999348
That doesn't mean you can do as you please.
>>77994905
But all assult rifles are memes tbqh
>>77994905
All Memes aside, I don't see why Canadia needs access to the interbutts.
>>77999113
More degree of safety for myself if I have a weapon that I can use to effectively protect myself regardless of who happens to be assaulting me.
>>77999094
Love you too Ameribro.
>>77999198
Then have the ruling overturned. Until then, the right belongs to the people.
>>77999310
>People can't even be responsible with guns.
Said at >>77998437
>>77999323
Because some people are cowards that can't handle others having responsibility.
>>77999325
Statistical improbability. Even in the USA. Plus I'd rather be armed and capable of defending myself against criminals and the insane who can get guns illegally anyways.
>>77999348
Nothing about that statement mentions armed insurrection. Your method of altering or abolishing the government is election day.
>>77994905
All memes aside, there is no reason ordinary civilians should have access to the internet.
>>77999482
Not everyone supported the American Revolution and look how well that worked.
>The States are American. Born and raised. It's how they self identified. _____ himself was a US Commander before becoming what we would call a terrorist
>>77999500
They weren't a country, they weren't a military. They were just a group of people using violence and tools of war to gain what they desired.
Sound familiar? History is written by the victors, but it doesn't change their actions.
>>77994905
>check flag
Oh its that dog fucking country again...
>>77999428
And so, without the well-regulated militia to justify the right to keep and bear arms, there is no justification.
Thanks for clarifying that.
>>77999512
>The second amendment is directly and specifically referring to a well-regulated militia as the reason people should be armed.
No it is not you fucking cuck, this has been proven time and fucking time again. Holy shit you are so dense.
>>77997555
>george washington was even a traitor.
>>77999512
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, is what shall not be infringed because the people need to be able to form a militia in order to secure a free state.
>>77999526
>All it takes is an anecdote to prove you retarded broad premise when you put it up like that. I have been responsible with guns, therefore, your argument is invalid.
You really think this is a debate?
>What about guerilla warfare completely destroying the US military?
Lot easier to pull off in horrible terrain across the ocean.
>>77997729
I'm glad I took part in that
that one (you) made me feel extra patriotic
>>77997779
well-regulated: well-equipped
militia: the people/citizenry
>>77999673
Rights need no justification.
>>77999673
One possible justification. SCOTUS ruled it belongs to the people regardless. And on top of that, everyone is a part of the militia.
>>77999694
He was a british general. Tell me how killing your own countrymen does not make you a traitor.
>>77999608
>election day
>government says "lol, no u"
What now, faggot?
>>77999677
Then why not just say "people are allowed to own guns"?
>>77999711
Right... all able-bodied white men between the ages of 17 and 45 are what will make up that militia.
If you're not in that range, you have no reason to own a weapon because you're not going to be part of the militia when it forms.
>>77999128
>getting in a knife fight 10 vs 1 trying to keep them off my dependapotamus
Dude... Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself
>>77999512
>the purpose of the militia (and being armed) is NOT to fight the government
A tyrannical state is a free state?
>>77999608
>Nothing about that statement mentions armed insurrection
Yeah they just so happen to have an armed insurrection going on at the time, how silly of me to assume.
>>77999776
You are a traitor for thinking that way. He was a traitor to the Brits, who were oppressive, eventually a movement formed to overthrow them. History is written by the victor.
>>77999512
>The second amendment is directly and specifically referring to a well-regulated militia as the reason people should be armed.
Correct. The fact that a militia is necessary to a government which may become tyrannical over time also necessitates that the people be armed in the case that that government needs reminding of the powers held by we the people.
>>77999734
militia: All able-bodied white men, between the ages of 17 and 45.
Not just any old Schlomo, Devonte, or Chong Wang.
>>77999839
>The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
It does fucking say that, they didn't speak like we do now back then you fucking dense fuck.
>>77998585
>not because the british couldn't contain the sheer might of A M E R I C A
>they are still salty about it
>>77999113
>doesn't need to carry a gun
Like France right
http://knowledgeglue.com/citizen-carrying-handgun-prevents-a-violent-mob-stoning/
>>77999795
All legislative representatives and executive officers are elected
If they "lol, no u" then they were elected by the majority and we get exactly what we asked for.
>>77999839
>Then why not just say "people are allowed to own guns"?
As is evidenced in the controversy over the document, the founding fathers had the equivalent of a middle school education.
They expected it to be torn up and re-done once per generation, but that would take work and make people mad, so they stuck with the first draft.
>>77999843
Who determines whether a state is tyrannical? 15 rednecks in a trailer park?
400 niggers burning down Ferguson, Mo?
>>77999544
HAHAHA
NICE SPOOK FAGGOT
>>77999881
False. The Constitution plainly states that the militia is to help quash rebellion, not take part in it.
>Hide All Leaf Threads
>Sage All Leaf Threads
>Report All Leaf Posters
>>77994905
All memes aside, REMOVE LEAF
>>77995050
kek
Don't even call yourself an American you fucking cuck. If you are an American and don't believe in the 2A you should leave or just kys
>>77999865
Ohhh nooo taxes! taaaaxes! oh and quartering! oh fuck i'll kill my own people before sharing my house with them!
Talk about your first world problems. Look at how fucking india had it under british occupation.
>>77999919
But that's not all it says. It starts off with the justification of "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to a free state..."
If you're not part of the militia criteria, you have no justification.
A court should be able to remove the right to bear arms for certain civilians. I don't like the idea that people are walking around with guns but I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to have guns. However, when someone can pose a potential danger to society, the right to carry firearms should be taken away. Just as the right to confidentiality and privacy can be revoked under certain circumstances i.e. when a patient has expressed the desire to do harm to another individual.
>>77999839
it's the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms BECAUSE they will NEED a militia to combat tyranny
>>77999639
If you believe all this you should just leave this fucking country and move to leafland or go to Sweden and suck Sven's cock.
>>77999839
> all able-bodied white men between the ages of 17 and 45 are what will make up that militia.
I'm sure if push came to shove pawpaw would roll his wheelchair to the window and shoot some fucks. But regardless you don't need justification for a right, further on in the 5th amendment it says "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" so you cant take away someone's right, which has been defined as the right to bear arms, without due process.
>>78000043
When the government deprives the citizenry of their rights.
>>77994905
>why ordinary civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles
coz constitupation
You're lookin a color I like to call Commie Rouge Motherfucker. You got somethin to say Mr. Sleepercell?
>Americans actually believe that civilians owning guns will somehow stop a tyrannical government
>implying it's the 1700s
>implying your government couldn't fuck you either way
It's just one big ongoing delusion.
>>78000004
So, if they're so dumb; why are you all constantly hailing them as these venerable and infallible pillars of wisdom? And should they really be trusted to write rules that made sense?
>>77999928
What was that i heard about a wal-mart in texas being held up at gunpoint?
A Wal-Mart
In Texas.
Was Held Up
At Gunpoint.
What, was everyone packing just as cowardly as they seem?
>>78000155
And The Supreme Court has clarified that part you fucking idiot. How many fucking times do I need to tell you. I have told you at least 5 times in this thread.
>>78000158
False. No where does it say that in the Constitution.
>>77999429
What happens when we need another revolution and have no guns?
>>78000158
Tyranny can also be in the form of a local bunch of criminals that the police either won't or can't arrest.
Look at South Chicago. Law abiding people there aren't allowed to defend themselves from the hordes of nignogs with illegal guns. Police aren't exactly reliable in those neighborhoods either. Too bad they let their state take away their second ammd to carry
>>78000232
>Aussie Poster
Why am I not surprised. This has already been addressed. Read the thread
>>78000234
I am one of the few advocates of tearing the damned thing up and drafting a new document.
The pain in the ass is deciding who would draft it.
>>77994905
Fuck off, it's a hobby for millions of people.
There is no reason an ordinary citizen needs a truck, bicycle, or a boat, or fireworks, or swords, anything else that gets people killed.
It's almost like we have the freedom to pursue whatever makes us happy here. For some of us, that's guns. I spend a lot of time at outdoor ranges and not once has anyone gotten hurt. But I have become a damn good shot and I'm proud of that and want to keep pushing myself.
An AR is basically your simple repeating hunting rifle with tactical rails colored black. It's not automatic, it doesn't kill 50 people in 5 minutes.
Omar took 3 hours to kill 50 people and he could have done that with any repeating rifle.
>>78000004
>a hurrrdurrrr it's old and they dum
Tell me next about how racist they were.
>>78000043
We the fucking People, ya jabroni. If it reaches a critical mass of people that recognize the tyranny, we act. Simple as that, o keeper of the watchlists.
>>77999730
Jesus Christ man, I can't even respond to your posts. Not even memeing here, but you have obviously had a bit to drink. You can't even follow the line of arguments. Let's do this tomorrow when you can form a coherent argument.
>>78000195
Due process, of course, being a police officer knocking on your door to confiscate the weapons that it's been determined you are no longer allowed to possess.
>>78000201
Only white citizens huh? What about blacks? Blacks have ALWAYS been deprived of their rights.
Check your fucking privilege you fucking republican.
>>78000295
Try being civil about it? What are you, the huns?
>>78000087
>he said, providing no proof for the assertion.
>>78000201
Who determines whether the government is depriving the citizenry of their rights?
>>78000138
>Look at how fucking india had it under british occupation.
India still has it bad retard. They had to have an entire national campaign to potty train their population.
Just for fun:
Where are you guys located and what is the average response time for a 'Priority 1' police call?
RCMP - 8+ Minutes
>>78000364
Blacks are still slaves?
>>78000155
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
>>78000157
If you're too dangerous to be trusted with firearms, you're too dangerous to be in public at all, given the relative ease of making explosives or committing arson.
>>78000387
>Being Civil worked in Tienanmen Square
>Being Civil worked in the Soviet Union
>Etc.
Being violent however has historically worked.
>>77999958
>If they "lol, no u" then they were elected by the majority and we get exactly what we asked for.
You dumb fucking nigger, you can't even into reading comprehension, the government doesn't HAVE to do what the people say, the gov't could simply tell the people to fuck off. Even IF the majority of people agree to something the rights of the minority must still be protected and the right to bear arms is how.
>>77999544
Fuck you, cuck that's exactly what it means.
>>78000247
Have you been to Tx? I have.
Went to minute maid stadium in Houston to see the Astros. Everybody was checked for a weapon on the way in, nobody had one. Not everybody carries in Tx.
Try to jack a wallmart in Vermont, that's a different story. No carry laws whatsoever.
>>78000264
Kinda like how the Supreme Court has clarified that a fetus isn't a person but a corporation is?
Oh wait, I've said that once already, too.
>>78000420
When you get arrested for exercising any one of them.
>>78000345
>Tell me next about how racist they were.
Doesn't really bother me, but thanks for conceding to my point.
>>78000359
There's no such thing as a formal debate on the internet. For one thing there's no moderator. You can cling to whatever stateman-esque pretense you want, but this isn't the proper place for a real discussion, if one can even be had considering this is a battle of ideologies, not facts.
>>78000324
Trump
>>78000428
That is pathetic.
>>78000500
>Kinda like how the Supreme Court has clarified that a fetus isn't a person but a corporation is?
How the fuck is that relevant?
>>78000345
So, if the majority of the people don't believe that the government is tyrannical, then it isn't?
>>77999500
Now you're being incredibly vague trying to relate the founding fathers to ISIS. Again, they didnt indiscriminantly kill people in order to achieve their goals, they fought, man to man, the army that was trying to prevent them from peacefully forming their own country. (Declaration of Indep.)
>>78000441
Slaves to white privilege and marginalization by whites.
>>78000364
I'm going to love when Canada destroys itself internally because of your severe multiculturalism.
Don't come down here when you're getting fucked in the ass by Jerome and his gang of lesser niggers.
>>78000157
With due process, maybe. But what you're describing, and what they're proposing to restrict through watchlists, is thought crime.
>>77999482
Ranchers in oregon were fighting over grazing rights. Maybe .1% of the population and only in that area. Guns are owned by a solid 25% of our nation. It would be VERY different
>>78000512
>this is a battle of ideologies, not facts.
Go to bed, anon. You're drunk. This is where you can actually hold a debate and back up your stances with sources and links. I'll be here tomorrow so let's do this again.
Canada needs to be banned from this board. They are by far the biggest shit posters and ignore any rebuttals. I thought the US school system was bad but holy shit you Canuckistanis have it worse.
>>78000423
Exactly. American colonists lost their shit over having to share their houses with their own army. I won't deny there were jerks on both sides, but it does say a lot that we rebelled over relatively nothing. Fucking jamaica had better reasons.
>>78000481
So you support terrorism philosophically?
>>78000482
>I'M A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN
Kek
>>78000360
Due process meaning a fair court and jury has decided.
>>78000482
This is correct. If the duly and legally elected government decided, tomorrow, to change absolutely everything and install Barack Obama as Head Nigga In Charge, there is nothing legal we could do about it; provided that all the legal steps were taken.
We elected them to write laws and govern. We can't fault them for doing exactly that.
>>77994905
>All memes aside
Setting your own nation aside isn't a good way to open an argument
>>77995470
I read this earlier. Fucking copy pasta. Where is your reddit credit? Fucking shill. You got called out on the reddit bullshit so now u don't add it. Kys
>>77999602
>defend myself from criminals
But therein lies the circular dilemma. Your access to firearms to protect yourself also allows access for criminals to acquire them illegally or legally and thus be able to harm you. If you want to be on a level playing field, which is reasonable, then why not remove guns from society? No guns means little risk of being attacked by one, therefore no point in acquiring a gun to protect oneself.
I think Australia thought about this and concluded that confiscation is ultimately the only solution. But its up to Americans to decide whether the joy of shooting guns as a hobby is worth the periodical cost of psychopaths "cleansing" the school cafeteria.
>>78000583
How so?
>>77997555
>Now you're being incredibly vague trying to relate the founding fathers to ISIS. Again, they didnt indiscriminantly kill people in order to achieve their goals, they fought, man to man, the army that was trying to prevent them from peacefully forming their own country. (Declaration of Indep.)
>>77995470
> you'd need more than 500,000 members to reach a similar.
> not even ironically stated.
>>78000505
How do you determine whether you have been arrested for exercising a right?
Keep in mind, you're straying into Sovereign Citizen territory.
>>78000686
If not for the fact that the prevailing motive for owning a gun is cowardice.
You'll all turn them over the instant your livelihood is threatened.
>>78000570
Just because SCOTUS says it, doesn't make it right, true, or even reasonable.
>>78000734
Drugs are illegal.
Criminals acquire drugs.
Australia has firearms.
Australia's murder rate hasn't really changed with their gun laws.
>>77997367
> Obviously this is all conjecture,
Duh. At least present it that way instead of being so sure that the problem is a 'breakdown' in the morals that you support. I don't support getting rid of the second amendment, but I'm not going to try and make a totally baseless claim that the issue is a breakdown in 1950s US values because these values have not existed for much of world history, and this non-existence didn't cause mass murders.
>lack of morality, lack of community. No one goes to church anymore.
Bullshit. Also, religion doesn't give you morality, that's just horse shit. Additionally, religion is responsible for an uncountable number of murders.
Finally, the reason why so many mass murders are happening now is because that's what the media is pushing. It's like serial killers in the 60s-70s. There weren't really any more serial killers, but everyone seemed to think that there were. Originally, there was no increase in mass murders, but with so much media attention, I'm sure plenty have been convinced to go out and commit a mass murder.
>>78000792
When you have been arrested for exercising a right.
>>78000758
>Islamic Nation
>United States
Warfare was simply different back then.
>>77994905
>A leaf offering commentary on American laws
>>78000718
Kinda like how the property of every southern slave owner was taken after they each saw their day in court with a judge and jury of their peers?
Oh, wait... They decided that the government was tyrannical, called up their citizen militia, and then got their asses whipped.
>>78000715
I'm a citizen of the united states and as such I uphold the ideologies that this nation was founded upon/
>>78000873
How many school shootings per year in australia though?
>>78000815
It makes it law though, doesn't it? And unless it directly contradicts writing in the founding documents, then it is justified. Remember, the Supreme Court has no written power in the first place to decide Constitutionality of anything.
>>78000899
And how do you determine that you've been arrested for exercising a right?
>>77994905
gun grab = civil war
>>78000295
Is your society so fucked that you can't resolve issues democratically and therefore must resort to civil war? And you call yourself an advanced nation?
Besides, if another revolution comes, you convince soldiers, police officers, all segments of society to support your cause. The whole govt is going to fight you is a red herring.
Assault rifle = any gun that scares me :(
>>78000989
Actually, it doesn't make it law. SCOTUS has no power to make laws.
>>78000734
Criminals will get firearms regardless of the law. As it stands they already get the vast majority of them in Canada from over the border, with 97% of what the police seized being smuggled guns (source 1). Australians also have to deal with guns, since they have their own smuggling and manufacturing issues (2 and 3). Ultimately, criminals will never turn in their guns, and any confiscations will fail. Even in Australia, based on importation numbers, their confiscation of firearms only netted between 20 and 50% of what they wanted to get rid of.
1) http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=e5a25902-4efb-4540-abbb-8e8e8edab924
2) http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/jeweller-angelos-koots-admits-to-making-submachine-guns-at-his-seven-hills-home-and-supplying-them-to-bikie-groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916
3) https://screen.yahoo.com/police-alarmed-gun-numbers-114756370.html
>>78000715
>Exactly. American colonists lost their shit over having to share their houses with their own army. I won't deny there were jerks on both sides, but it does say a lot that we rebelled over relatively nothing. Fucking jamaica had better reasons.
See the difference is that India had been shitting in streets before Britain had domain there and then have been ever since Britain left.
It's called India is a 3rd world shithole and Britain's occupation has nothing to do with their culture being unevolved.
>>78000512
>doesn't bother me
Of course not, your ilk just uses it to bother the potential reform pushers.
>>78000578
>don't notice or are complacent with its tyranny
>>78000998
>>78000899
How obvious do I need to make it?
>>78000933
So because a few guys who had no idea what they were doing decided to rebel, you're bound to their dead wills for the rest of your life?
You're treating them like gods.
>>78001037
Rapists will rape, regardless of laws.
Better decriminalize it.
>>77999084
For you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRFtiBVRvo0
>>78000974
Last one I think was in Monash (2002?)
>>78001057
Oh, I see. So if the majority agrees with you, they're enlightened, but if they disagree with you then they're delusional.
That's rational.
>>78000471
I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Does that mean we shouldn't at least bother to make a restriction on these people?
I don't see how these individuals can't just be black listed from being able to purchase guns at licensed stores. Of course one can argue he can still purchase it off the black market etc. Yes there have always been ways to find weapons, make weapons etc. but using that as an argument that our elected officials should not bother to at least try to restrict their ability to purchase firearms is a silly in my opinion.
>>78000639
If an individual has been found by a judge and a court to be unsafe to carry fire arms, then his right to carry fire arms should be removed and his named black listed from all licensed gun dealerships. If he wishes to repeal such a ban than thats his choice but I don't see a court placing a ban on a certain individuals right to carry a gun as an arbitrary decision.
>>78000615
>yea yeah canada is blow up by blecks lel
keep dreaming fatso
>>78000925
>muh civil war
You're literally arguing against yourself by even bringing it up, in admission that it happened with a huge outcome.
>>78000387
Implying that by the time there needs to be a revolution you havent already tried being civil.
>>78000279
>the right of the people shall not be infringed
did we read the same constitution, friend?
>>78001131
So what does that imply? What sort of jew conspiracies do you guys have to explain the abnormal amount of school shootings in the usa? fluoride in the water? Gays on tv? The moon?
>>78001059
A damn sight more obvious than the vague bullshit you keep repeating.
>Dad, when do we get there?
>When we get there.
>What day is it, Piglett?
>Why, it's today, Pooh.
>How do you determine when you've been arrested for exercising your rights?
>When you're arrested for exercising your rights.
>>78001214
So Isis is just in their motivations and methods?
>>78000974
>This one statistical improbability is the only important indicator of whether or not a law is effective and it's worth it to strip freedom from the general populace
>>78001089
Simple firearms ownership doesn't harm others. Raping does. Try again.
>>78001142
>I don't see how these individuals can't just be black listed from being able to purchase guns at licensed stores.
Criminals already don't purchase guns at stores is the point I'm making. It's almost always either illegal manufacturing or smuggling. Simple background checks are more than sufficient to prevent criminals from buying from stores, although I'm of the opinion that if someone can't be trusted with a gun then they shouldn't be in society at all since they're obviously dangerous.
>>78001237
Brain problems.
>>78000715
Typical fucking liberal, revolution means terrorism. You're fucking retarded you know that? google the definition of terrorism
>>78001181
A huge failed outcome. 13 states chock full of rednecks, hillbillies, and mountain men; led by some of the most brilliant tacticians the US had to offer, and they still lost.
Remember nobody in Canada needs a gun right, also known criminals with extensive records can also never obtain any kind of illegal firearm either so don't worry you don't need a gun.
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/murdered-surrey-realtor-fought-to-give-family-time-to-hide-wife-says-1.2468672
>>78000925
>not bringing up the fact that blacks were unarmed
>and that democrats pushed for gun control against blacks
>so that they could easily kill and lynch blacks
top kek
>>78001232
You're talking about the one that says "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to a free state" and states that said militia is called up by Congress and commanded by the President to combat invasion from other nations and armed rebellion in the US, right?
>>77994905
Liberal here. Legit. Voted for Obama and Sanders. Let me spell some shit out.
A FUCKING AR 15 IS NOT A FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE. STOP CALLING IT AN ASSAULT RIFLE. I CAN KILL AS MANY PEOPLE WITH A FUCKING GENERIC ASS .22 AND AN AFTERMARKET MAGAZINE AS AN AR. AN AR LOOKS LIKE AN M4, IT FUCKIN AIN'T. QUIT MAKING COMMENTS FROM THE SUICIDE GALLERY YOU FUCKING CANOOK.
You call yourself a socialist and can't even arm the masses to do your bidding.
/thread
/Rule 31
/Canada
/pol
>>78001355
You could not make it anymore obvious at this point.
Your ID even has JEw in it.
>>78001253
>We're placing you under arrest for exercising free speech.
Thought you would be smart enough to pick one out.
>>78001324
So, if a canadian is triggered by a nigger holding two pistols, would that classify as being harmed?
>>78000806
I'd really like to see you explain why owning a gun means you are a coward. Go to any retired special forces operator or combat veteran who owns a gun and tell them they are a coward for owning it, see how that works out.
>>78001033
Yeah, but they have the ultimate say in what is law and what is not. It may not be right but its how our system works.
>>78001355
>takes YEARS for the union to beat these so-called rednecks
>more deaths than in all other US-related wars combined
>union president still assassinated
>>78001076
>you're bound to their dead wills for the rest of your life?
>believing the founding fathers were just making shit up for so they alone would have comfortable lives
>not actually observing the constitution as a set of laws to establish moral clarity among the populace and so that smaller governments can establish further laws derived from it.
Wew lad
>>78001037
But its not an all-or-nothing proposition. A 50% reduction of firearms in circulation is useful in terms of harm reduction.
If I said, "Oh look, 1 girl out of 50,000 vaccinated children got measles, we should discontinue the MMR vaccine" that wouldn't be smart.
>>78001405
Niggers are only 13% of the population and kill each other at ridiculous rates.
Rounding them all up and killing them all off would not be difficult.
Hell, they'll stab each other over fried chicken.
>>78001463
Uh... Yeah... if you take out a bunch of letters and numbers, it does.
>>78001237
The media given it so much attention. Which plays directly into what mass murderers want
>>77994905
Actually all memes aside there is a pretty convincing argument for not only allowing salty ass wipes but adopt the swiss model and heavily encourage/subsidize ownership and training.
As a canadian you may not be aware but there are other countries and they are inhabited by a citizenry that may or may not have intentions of exploiting you *cough*
Luckily this has not happened to anyone yet but the off chance that someone does an armed citizenry is a deturrent as convincing as a nuclear arsenal.
You know right that shit your parents got scared about.
>>78001324
>>This one statistical improbability is the only important indicator of whether or not a law is effective and it's worth it to strip freedom from the general populace
Just asking why you think school shootings happen more often in america. I know you have theories, that's all this place is good for, your funny theories.
>>78001470
Are there limitations on free speech? Things that you're not actually allowed to say or write?
>>78001510
Actually, not quite. They have taken the power to hear cases challenging laws, and either uphold that law or strike it down.
But they don't arbitrarily decide, as laws are being passed, whether they're legit or not.
>>78001582
not my point, gun control was used to target the minority and enact illegal violence upon them
>>78001006
Democracy doesnt work when a few manipulate the masses, and start telling us what we can and cannot do. There are already been instances of clear voting fraud with no punsihment, what happens if they get increasingly bold and all of a sudden we no longer are a democracy? It has happened before
>>78001343
Uh, did you?
"the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."
Rebel means terrorist. That's why americans loving star wars is so funny.
The only difference between a terrorist and a rebel is which side you're on.
>>78001524
It took 4 years.
More deaths because ONLY Americans were fighting. EVERY casualty was an American casualty.
Union President was killed after the war was over by a civilian.
>>78001774
[citation required]
>>77995871
Educated people know what an Assault Rifle is, AR in AR-15 stands for Armalite, the brand that first built the part.
It isn't an "Assault Rifle - 15"
It is an "ArmaLite Rifle 15"
Some AR's are shotguns and pistols.
Very few are actually Assault Rifles and no one has actually suggested banning them.
Ex, The AR-18 is actually an assault rifle. It is already banned and unavailable for civilian purchase.
The AR- 15 is a modern sport rifle, or Semi-automatic carbine, primarily used by the tens of millions of hobbyist target shooters. Practically everyone that owns a gun owns one.
The difference is that actual Assault Rifles are automatic, and are capable of Suppression of Enemy Air Defense, which can mean over an hour of continuous fire. That will fuck most AR-15's. Assault rifles have much thicker metal barrels with heat reduction and selective fire modes.
There are armies that equipped an AR-18 on a large scale, There are no armies that equipped the AR-15 wide scale.
It looks similar so the left is trying to ban this Icon of our culture by denying it as culture, dehumanizing the users, then using misinformation and lies to harass political opposition.
Also you are Canadian so fuck off, you have no say in what we do in our country.
>>78001678
I'm pretty sure it's a federal offense to say "I am going to kill the president of the united states" unless it is in an explanatory context like it is here.
>>78001650
The media give lots of things attention. Why this in particular?
>>78001901
So then, while the person who says it claims it's free speech, the federal government does not.
Who determines if that person is being arrested for exercising his right to free speech?
>>78001280
When did ISIS ever give peace a chance? They seized the opportunity to be violent from the start
>>78001489
No that's just a bitch being a bitch.
>>78001560
Except you aren't reducing the overall violent crime rates. Even if you manage to reduce firearm related crime, the other tools used increase in turn to compensate. Target the criminals, not the tools. It's punishing everyone for the actions of the few, like if your brother killed someone, and your whole family went to jail over it.
>>78001665
Because America has far more pressing issues regarding ideologies and acceptable behaviour. Explosives still caused the largest mass murder in a school in the USA, despite the Bath School massacre happening nearly a century ago.
>>78000873
If absolutely no causation exists between numbers of guns in circulation and number of firearm crimes, then why not allow your average citizen to own whatever firearm they desire? By your logic, if we allow people access to belt fed machine guns, we shouldn't be worried about people using them to commit mass murders. You and I both know that's intellectually dishonest
>>78002007
Oh, so you're the arbiter of who is harmed and who isn't?
>>78001457
>A FUCKING AR 15 IS NOT A FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE
Dude any semi auto that is chambered in an intermediate cartrige and has a detachable box-magazine is by definition an assault rifle.
>>78001972
As long as you make it obvious that you're just explaining that it cannot be said, you're legally in the clear.
But if you said it to a fed, i think they'd have to jail you for at least a little while. It's sort of like shouting bomb in an airport or fire in a movie theater. People are shit, so we can't just let them do whatever or we wouldn't have civilization, we'd have somalia.
>>78002079
By definition, it has to be able to also fire full-auto
>>78002023
What's the common excuse of restricting firearms?
>>78002023
Belt fed machine guns were sold out of magazines in Canada until 1974 without any repercussions.
>>78002046
Physical harm seems like a good standard. Hurt feelings isn't physical harm.
>>78001888
by literally just googling "democrat gun control against blacks"
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
>>78001800
Then you work on building a civil society. Focusing your energy on education to raise better citizens is a much better prescription to ward of tyranny than sitting in your living room with your dad's shotgun
>>78001984
It was before you were born. The middle-east wasn't half as batshit before the usa starting installing dictators of convenience all over the place. We gave them the burka.
>>78002105
You're missing my point. When I asked how does one determine if you're being arrested for exercising your rights, the moron responded with "when you are arrested for exercising your rights."
This is a perfect example of one guy declaring he's being arrested for exercising his rights while the government's like, "lolnope, prison"
So which one is correct? Who determines it?
>>78002079
By who's definition? the fucking people trying to ban them? shut the fuck up
>>78002079
>assault rifle
>no mention of it being select-fire or full auto
go away, shlomo
>>78002145
Based on... your opinion?
>>77994905
>All memes aside, there's no reason why ordinary civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles.
Okay, so let's start with the assumption that every idea of liberty as meme, alright...done.
So let's start from the point that you are smaller. You're ordinary, there are plenty out there like you, and you trust your surroundings.
You feel safe.
One day, things change. There are much bigger ones out there, everywhere! All around you, much much bigger than you. You no longer feel safe. You aren't safe.
And because you let your feelings, your judgment, and the mere assumption of any future plans on the
>Fact you KNEW you were safe
It wasn't a fact.
You were never safe to begin with.
BUT
You could have changed the outcome.
Maybe not you, maybe not you and your friends.
Maybe not you, and every single one like you.
BUT
At least you could've tried.
You felt safe, thought you'd always be safe, and so you never thought you'd have to try.
Understand?
You never planned to be in danger. So you never had a chance.
The government, as a means of insurance for the citizen and civilian alike, should allow the right to bear arms, because the government is fundamentally not safe, but it is a necessity none the less. As much the arms that the people of that nation bear. As much as the free speech that allows these disagreements.
There should be some limitations, but it is the sworn duty of the government of The United States of America to insure its people are adequately armed. Take away the advantage of almost being practically equal, and well soon find ourselves the likes of Australia, Germany, eventually Japan or Singapore. This is in DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE IDEAS OF THIS COUNTRY WERE FOUNDED ON.
People can't be controlled by laws. Only persuaded. This is why we need arms such as the ones you understand as "assault" rifles.
(This is just one simplification of perspective that even a child could understand, so I think it should suffice for a Canadian.)
>>78002249
Exercising your rights? The right to free speech says only that congress cannot stop it. Everyone else in government can, which is why you get jail time for shouting bomb in an airport.
>>78001962
Oh I'm sorry, you're right. A mass shooting with a body count of 50 in a supposed advanced nation isn't newsworthy. I really can't fanthom why the orlando shootings are such a big deal :^)
>>78002196
Holy shit, it's like it's 1995 again! Dat reliable and scholarly source...
>>78002201
The most highly educated people are the ones who are trying to deprive us of our liberties. Obama went to Harvard for christ's sake
>>78002293
Well, that's been the general basis for punitive law since it's inception, so I guess there's that. Unless you have your own opinion. Plus, there's the whole bit about actions being required to harm others, something an object can't really accomplish on it's own.
Home of the brave scared of gun laws.
>>78002365
Why would you get jail time for shouting bomb in an airport?
Would it be because congress has said that it's against the law, effectively stopping you from saying it?
You don't think much, do you?
>>78001809
>The only difference between a terrorist and a rebel is which side you're on.
>believing this unironically
You're beyond help.
Hopefully the beautiful mask you see of whatever political ideology you follow will crumble one day and make you sick.
Besides that all I can say is hopefully your tenacity isn't wasted one day.
>>78002373
I didn't say it wasn't, but there is media in every other country you know. What other cases of "the media talks about it a lot" can you cite occurring in other countries?
>>78002427
There are actions that harm no one that are still against the law, so that doesn't hold up.
>>78002373
If it was a bombing, the casualty list would've been longer. The main reason they use guns is because they know it causes this massive divide in society.
>>78002079
>assault rifle.
>Search Results
>as·sault ri·fle
>noun
>noun: assault rifle; plural noun: assault rifles
>a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
Hmm, German, that's not quiet right.
Maybe you've seen too many Hollywood films
>>78002007
>take guns away, people will use other tools
You are not wrong. But we're really talking about replacing a gun with a knife. Let's not kid ourselves, a gun makes mass murder so much easier than a knife
>>78002461
>Why would you get jail time for shouting bomb in an airport?
It would likely result in a panic that could cause people to come to harm. They outlawed shouting fire in movie theaters for a long time for the same reason. That's sufficient. That and we don't fuck around when it comes to terrorism. You start shouting bomb in an airport and some marine will probably tackle and beat your ass to applause from the onlookers.
>>78002472
Nice argument.
>>78002502
Guns are also easier to use and get ahold of than bombs. Most bombs take knowledge to make.
>>78002500
Yeah, and I'm also against those laws. Your point? Explain to me why you should take away the right of millions because that right hurts your feelings.
>>78002562
>But we're really talking about replacing a gun with a knife.
For street crime, sure. But explosives are still a thing. Remember that the single largest attack in the USA, excluding 9/11, was done by one man with homemade explosives. On top of that, you have people like Bibeau who acquire guns illegally. You remember him right, the capital city shooter? Got a gun without having a license and killed a person before storming parliament, only stopped by a man who happened to be carrying a gun.
>>78002683
Ammonium phosphate fertilizer and diesel fuel. Congratulations you can make a bomb now.
>>78002629
So then, Congress is putting limits on what you're allowed to say or not say; because it MIGHT cause harm? And that's not tyranny?
But Congress putting limits on what gun you're allowed to own, because it MIGHT cause harm is tyranny?
That doesn't make sense.
>>78002714
That's not the point I'm making, America's Hat.
>>78002079
"According to the definitions Clinton set."
The left just fucks with words. obviously there is a world of difference between an AR 15 and an AR 18.
The left just fucks with definitions while people are ignorant that there is a rate of fire different by hundreds of rounds per minute, and a continuous fire time off by hours.
Yeah, it's the same fucking thing though because it's black and has a rail on it.
Not to mention in our days long past, prior to the Immigration Act of 1965, the US had virtually no gun crime despite many households owning automatic guns.
We have a black, Hispanic, and Muslims problem. Not a gun problem. If you subtract them from our statistics then our crime rates look like those of majority white nations.
>>78002801
Then what point are you making, or are you just arguing without a point?
Welp, I've had a good time showing what shitty arguments you all have. I'm headed to bed.
Good night.
>>78002387
So owning firearms is basically THE ONLY thing you've got to save your liberties? Is that really the state of affairs in the US? You guys own shit loads of guns yet voted for administrations who authorized the Patriot Act. Give me an example where private ownership of guns helped preserve rights and liberties. I'm asking an honest question, I would like to get an American perspective
>>78002818
Black population density is the #1 predictor of homicides of every single kind, including gun.
To deny this and target peaceful white gun owners is to the peril of all society. You are talking about taking away constitutional freedoms from law abiding citizens over delusional PC bullshit that deny's the real roots of our problems.
>>78002752
>Implying its as easy as typing a shitpost
Underage fgt get out
>>78002752
and it takes smarts to have it explode when you want it to.
>>78002775
Certainty does not exist in reality. Mights and coulds are all that we get. You could die from not having a gun the same as you could die from driving you to work. Yet only on one do you accept the risk.
>>78002473
wtf am i reading
>>78002502
Guns are vastly easier to use than building a bomb. Plus you are more intimately involved in killing people over several hours vs waiting for your IED to go off.
>>78003067
Do you really think it's that hard? A little bit of experimenting to get the ratios right and that's about it. It's far easier than anyone realizes. -t chemist
>>78003134
>and it takes smarts to have it explode when you want it to.
Buy a prepaid cell phone, take off the back of it, disconnect the wires leading to the vibrator and run them through the explosive. Now it'll go off when you call/text it and it's on vibrate.
>>78003303
And people can built both in their home, or have either smuggled from another country. Prohibiting or limiting access to guns for the general populace doesn't hurt the criminals, only the law abiding.
>>78002714
Using guns has advantages and disadvantages then building a bomb. So bc people have built bombs, why stop people from owning a tank? Removing firearms means criminals have fewer options to cause mayhem. And yes the ottawa shooter did acquire a gun but he wasn't able to merc 50 people. If he had a semi auto firearm with high cap mags, then things would possibly be very diferent
>>78003631
People already can own tanks. It's actually legal to own tanks in Canada, let alone the USA. We can even have functioning cannon in Canada easier than in the USA, the only thing we legally aren't allowed to have is explosive shells for them.
As far as what you're saying with regards to the Ottawa shooter goes, the only reason he didn't kill more is because he either didn't have enough money for a better gun or his black market dealer didn't have one on hand. So it was literally just luck, nothing to do with the law.
>>78003168
You said "the media talks about it a lot" which implies that media talking about things can cause them to happen, so what examples can you cite of this happening in other countries?
>>78003406
>Buy a prepaid cell phone, take off the back of it, disconnect the wires leading to the vibrator and run them through the explosive. Now it'll go off when you call/text it and it's on vibrate.
You really overestimate stupid people.
>>78003631
Didn't the 'siege' or lack of swift response play a larger role in Orlando?
>>78003971
I just figure most people these days have access to the internet and know how to type stuff into google. Not to mention most of the people who do the whole "mass murder" deal tend to plan it out, like Breviek who bought a farm so he could get far more ammonium phosphate fertilizer than he would have been able to otherwise.
>>78003795
When I said tank, I was implying it included all the components that enable it's lethality. But thanks for being pedantic.
With respect to the ottawa shooter, I'm arguing its more difficult for him to commit mass murder here than the US because access to high-cap mag fed weapons is very restrictive. There is no denying that we have a vastly healthier relationship to firearms than our American neighbors
>>78003928
Not necessarily cause, more like they feed off each other. Perfect example, serial killers. Massive coverage sometimes allow for copycats to act.
