OK, folks. I'm generally very conservative. Extremely conservative. I want a smaller government than the Republican party wants. I'm not a libertarian though because I totally support legislating morality. If I ran the country there would be no taxpayer funded libraries, and porn would be illegal. That's how conservative I am.
Here's the thing. I support people's rights to own guns, but I'm not totally settled on assault rifles. On the one hand, I feel like a ban would be restricting personal liberty, but Omar couldn't have killed as many people if he could only buy a pistol.
I'm willing to listen to both sides, so redpill me, /pol/.
>>77993047
This sounds like bait but...
Chinky McChinkerton at Virgina Tech was the previous high scorer, and he did it with a .22 and 9mm pistol. Beyond that "assault rifles" are effectively banned. Assault rifle being a select fire firearm. Any conservative worth his salt knows that. But again...bait.
Assault rifles are already pretty much illegal.
Protip; the AR-15 and whatever Omar used are not assault rifles.
>>77993047
This is obviously bait.
fuck off with your "assault rifle" bullshit, shill
>>77993047
>if guns were illegal there's no way Omar could get an assault rifle, just like how no one has one in Chicago
>>77993047
Also your ID is Goot.
Gay Moot.
>>77993366
I guess he could have gotten one, but he seems like the kind of guy who would just use what he could get easily.
>>77993258
>>77993331
OK, he didn't have an assault rifle, what were all these bills in congress about?
>>77993047
A gun is a gun. My full size 9mm can hold 19 rounds in the magazine. My full size .45 can hold 14 rounds. He could of brought even more ammo with him than the rifle and did just as much damage so a gun is a gun no matter how you put it.
>>77993047
From my cold dead hands you fucking faggots
>>77993624
They're about infringing on our civil liberties to restrict something that's used in 2% of gun crimes. It's a stepping stone to further regulation, and ultimate confiscation. "Well we banned assault rifles but people keep killing each other. We have to address the real problem now...handguns!" It's a scam Goot you fucking faggot.
>>77993932
You mean about the porn right?
>>77994057
"From my hard, rigor mortised cock"
>>77993624
Nigga, the vast majority of gun deaths are from pistols etc. Yet all they talk about is assault weapons. Hmmmm. Could it be they are using this as an opportunity to remove weapons that could be effective in a resistance type movement? You're god damn right that's what it is.
>>77993624
>what were all these bills in congress about?
And on the 7th day, Anonymous learned that Congress is pretty much clueless about most of the bills it passes. Trillion-dollar deficits and avalanches of ridiculous court cases are only symptoms of the problem.
>>77993047
Mateen didn't have an assault rifle, as his rifle wasn't select fire.
>>77993991
I'm with you. What do people actually use this particular gun for?
>>77994251
shooting stuff
>>77994251
Bill of Rights not the bill of needs. I use mine for fun on the range.
>>77994251
assault rilfes? Killing anyone that needs some killing. Particularly tyrannical government agents. And for fun.
Its ignorant to say conservative people would not want public libraries, on the contrary, public libraries would probably exist, albeit with solely conservative books in it.
And I'm really tired of defending the right to bear arms.
If you have a population of people whom you are so afraid of that you need to regulate the ability of said population to use any said firearm, then you need to start rethinking what place these people have in society.
Learn more about the fall of Rome and the fall of our current society.
You will see that it is much alike in terms of only allowing the elite power and removing the citizens/people's within your borders the right to defend themselves.
>>77994251
It's used for sporting purposes. They're a blast to shoot. They're effective in hunting certain game. In an ultimate SHTF situation they would be extremely useful. Honestly I think they're terrible choice for home defense. They wouldn't be my first or even second choice. But that's irrelevant. There's 30 million AR-15s in the country and they're rarely used to kill people.
>>77994251
As far as the AR-15 and it's friends go they are used for, things like hunting, sporting, and competition shooting.
>>77994251
Heck they make up a pretty big percentage of rifles in modern competitions.
The argument that mass shooters wouldn't be able to kill as many people if they were limited to a handgun is pure conjecture. That's all I really have to say.
OP, if you want to learn about "assault weapons" and the political origins of the word then read through this helpful site:
assaultweapon.info
>>77994251
Also, just the fun of watching liberals weep when they hear about them
>>77994251
In 3-Gun competitions they are damn near the majority of rifles. This is in addition to being a handy rifle for home defense and if necessary the defense of one's nation from threats internal and external should the need arise and the person make that decision.
Omar didn't kill all 49 fags, the police zerg rushed and shot a few hostages as well.
>>77993047
fuck off commy
gun grab = civil war
>>77993047
> I want smaller government
>I want to ban porn
Are you retarded?
>>77994215
all assault rifle rounds sold in the us are incapable of penetrating a lvl3 armor
youre going to have a bad time dealing with the swat team by using only ar15s
>porn would be illegal
YOU CAN TAKE MY GUNS, BUT YOU CANT TAKE MY PORN.
>>77994825
youre being duped to think that piece of cucked shit has any use during an actual uprising
want a real gun? get a battle rifle instead.
>>77995166
Level 3 armor is for all pistol rounds including .44 magnum. Level 4 is rifle rounds. Those are usually limited to plates.
>>77995166
Oh my god this has to be bait. I'm a leaf and even I know your fucking wrong on that one bud.
Try again Hilary.
>>77993047
Well for one you are a huge faggot about guns "aussalt" rifles are literally rifles that just look dangerous(cool).
A semi automatic hunting RIFLE with a drum clip holding 100 rounds a mag would have done more damage easily. I could have a drum magazine manufactured to 750 remington right now, walk into a nightclub chock full of fags and blow everyone away. The news would then be "HUNTING RIFLES- USED TO HUNT FAGS? SHOULD HUNTING BE BANNED?"
>>77995295
That gun is more well built than a "battle rifle"
Tighter build tolerances, hand loaded ammo, free floating barrel, stainless steel barrel. Military rifles are built by the lowest bidder. You can make your own AR-15 and handload ammo that can reach 1,000 yards.
>>77995523
You must be drunk.
OP is a shill, folks.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUMv120oCw
"What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very very loud.
It felt to me like a bazooka — and sounded like a cannon.
But mostly, I was just terrified.
Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).
The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."
Gersh Kuntzman
Globalist Propagandist
New York Daily News
Even if you banned the AR-15, and .223 and 5.56 and high capacity magazines...
The crazies will just go back to blowing stuff up, or taking a 30-06 up to the top of a clock tower until they get bored and shoot themselves.
And either way, I'd personally rather get shot by a .223 than a 30-06
>>77993047
>If I ran the country there would be no taxpayer funded libraries, and porn would be illegal. That's how conservative I am.
Wow didn't realize OP was this much of a faggot.
>>77993047
The point is, in America owning a gun is just as equal as the freedom of speech or the fact that niggers are people.
If you remove the 2nd amendment or infringe upon it, that sets the precedent to infringe on other amendments.
And the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to protect yourself from a government that wants to infringe on those rights.
Tl;dr
>Gov take gun
>Gov take rights
>>77993047
>smaller government
>legislate morality
Pick one faggot.
>>77995398
the lethality of a civvie 5.56 is almost the same as a pistol round bud. those things arent designed to go through a cop.
plus all these civilian "assault rifles" are the worst fucking shit ever, these things have an effective range of 150m while the military m16a2 (based on the same design) is at 500m.
like i said in the previous thread, defence against the gov my fucking yellow ass, it takes just ONE btr to fuck up an entire army of hicks armed with walmart bought ar 15s.
>>77995681
What a fucking faggot
I fired a shot gun at age 12 no assistance. I fire my 7mm which makes the AR look like a toy and my dads 308 has rounds that will knock your hat off your head and disintegrate a bowling pin.
Can this individual please remove his testicles and get back to prepping his wife's bull?
>>77995985
Maybe this is better: less government spending, more laws about morality.
>>77996010
Yep and how'd it go in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan?
>>77995684
you're a fucking idiot
>>77995295
Given your countries service rifle is the M4 and it's derivatives I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on there. I'd much rather have a modern AR-15 than some hand me down L1A1 that's celebrating it's 50th birthday and has minimal maintenance.
>>77996010
You don't know how anything works. Firstly with physics. Rifle rounds are a lot thinner and shoot at higher velocity. These thin intermediate rounds will slide through kevlar. Pistol rounds are fat and heavy, they can get stopped by Kevlar easy.
Military ammo is readily available for purchase in the US, it's the cheapest shit and easily surpassed by hand loading.
>>77996280
>wants to create laws based on feelings instead of facts
>>77993047
Wont work, every morality you illegalize requires a larger govt to enforce it.
>>77996805
Society is better off when morality is enforced.
>>77993047
Just kill yourself. We're better off with the homos on our side than your anti-gun vote. You're the faggot.
>>77993047
>I'm generally very conservative. Extremely conservative
no you're not
>>77996922
Such as?
Every time I read american threads regarding gun and shit, "made in america" by toby keith starts playing on my mind.
I can't stop it.
>>77996010
You should really stop talking directly out your ass, most of the 5.56 ammunition you can buy in the US is from the exact same production lines as it's military equivalent. The military uses either FMJ or OTM ammunition with the lion's share being FMJ, even relatively low quality ammunition like Wolf and Tula can still cause damage to body armor. As far as effective range that is entirely a matter of ammunition and barrel length. I'm fairly certain all the people shooting out to 500 yards with civilian AR-15's aren't using 'super secret military' ammo.
Hell a 6.5 Grendel AR-15 can reach out to 800 yards or more and still have effective ballistics, even generic 5.56 from a 20 inch barrel will reach out to 500 if the shooter knows what he's doing. Apparently you learned a lot of completely retarded shit over the years.
>>77994251
Shooting stuff
>>77997155
Don't you have some Zika to contract?
>>77997071
The negative effects of pornography are well documented. Not saying you'll become a rapist if you watch it, but the world would be much better off without it. These days it's covered by "freedom of speech" and most people don't care about any harm it does, but if it were illegal we'd see less erectile dysfunction, divorce, and the sexes would probably respect each other more.
There are many other semi-auto rifles and pistols out there. The only reason libs home in on the AR-15 is because they think it looks scary.
>>77993047
that fact that you called a semi automatic rifle an assault rifle means you don't know enough about guns to have an opinion on them.
>>77996681
Did I just hear you say "slide through Kevlar" ?
Sorry but please elaborate.
I was under the assumption that only 7.62 at higher velocity would pierce Kevlar... I am foolishly taking for granted that at 5.56 (.223) is literally .001 away from being a godamn bb gun or .22
>>77997404
Pretty much
>>77993624
>OK, he didn't have an assault rifle, what were all these bills in congress about?
They just outright lied about the situation to push gun control legislation even though it had absolutely nothing in common with the situation at hand.
Just because Congress tries to get something banned because of a shooting doesn't mean it was actually USED in the shooting. The point is just to slowly ban everything and any shooting is used as an excuse.
>>77994251
>>77997351
zika is tomorrow
today is the day to get robbed by negroes
We don't get shot everyday here like you guys,
>unironically uses term assault rifles
dropped
>>77997641
Assault rifle is an actual term
Assault weapon is a media bullshit term
>>77997614
You guys have nigger problems too?
>>77993047
Even the creator of the AR-15 has said that civilian sales were never his intended purpose in creating that gun. The debate over "assault rifles" is really a debate about magazine capacity, not the shape of a particular piece of plastic used to hold the gun and which has no effect on the mechanical operation of the firearm.
>>77995523
>"HUNTING RIFLES- USED TO HUNT FAGS? SHOULD HUNTING BE BANNED?"
>>77997886
That was just his family putting words in his mouth
>>77997781
Most of South America is caste-based. They have a serious nigger problem, but also a mixed caste problem.
>>77997469
A bow and arrow can go through things bullets cannot because it slices through, knives can go through Kevlar. There are Level 3 vests with no rating for knives yet Level 2 vests with a stab rating. Bullets are designed to dump their energy into what they hit. 5.56mm is really .22. It goes to show what you can do simply by packing powder behind it. Not saying .223 is that powerful but it will go through Level 3 vests.
The MP7 was designed with a itty bitty bullet to go through body armor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP7
>>77997379
Dude, porn has been around since prehistoric times and it's 90% of the internet. You're retarded if you think you could ban it. It's 1920s prohibition autistic thinking.
>>77993047
Is that an M16?
>>77997886
Eugene Stoner died in 1997, did they time travel to get that comment or something?
>>77998064
>>77997886
The AR-10 and AR-15 was designed and sold in the US before the military asked for it to be make full auto and adopted it as the M-16. .223 was already used as a hunting round.
quick question where did this whole government is going to come and take your guns meme start? you people do realize gun laws dont mean we are taking your guns right? and besides not one time in the history of ever has any politician ever said we are going to take guns away from citizens
>>77998143
That retard doesn't even have earplugs. No wonder he's crying.
>>77994251
Here's a small cross section of uses.
>>77998240
and i mean american lawmakers when i say this
>>77998240
Probably around the late 1700's when the British started stationing troops inside people's houses.
>>77993047
>I'm generally very conservative. Extremely conservative.
>assault rifles
Nice try.
>>77993047
Alright I'll take the bait.
Even if the legislation had passed today, and then some, it would have only prevented apx. 3% of gun related deaths in America. (going by FBI 2013 crime stats)
The problem with gun violence in America is with handguns and gun culture. If anything allow MORE rifles. That is the problem many pro-gun people have with gun control proposals. They go after big, scary looking, no in reality no more deadly rifles. Instead political figures need to look at handguns which are responsible for the VAST majority of deaths, but hey its easier to make an AR-15 look scary.
>>77998413
right and now im pretty sure we have an amendment where it says soldiers cant do that.
and we also have one where it says we have the right to bare arms and obama and no other democrat has ever tried to change that. So i just wonder why do people fall for that stupid "Obama is taking your guns" shit
All you have to do is restrict firearm access to certain groups while encouraging/promoting being armed to majority groups.
For instance ban all none white Christians with citizenship who don't have at least 3 generations within the country from owning guns.
Now give every gun owner a slight tax break as incentive.
Boom, the majority groups have power and protection while the foreign and alien are disarmed and disadvantaged.
Omar did not use an assault rifle. Even though at this point "assault rifle" is a meme, it's generally defined as a selective fire firearm. Semi-automatic rifles are thus NOT "assault rifles". They're simply any other single fire rifle. In all honesty most mass shootings would have far fewer casualties if "assault rifles" were used. The average untrained civilian who fully squeezed the trigger would end up shooting the ceiling more than anything due to the intense recoil fully automatic or even burst fire produces. Not to mention the fact that these shooters tend to have higher capacity magazines which are inherently more prone to jam. Fully automatic and a high capacity magazine would have the shooter either aiming at the ceiling or dropping the weapon due to recoil, unlike current semi-automatics with are far easier to control.
>>77998544
Because we did have an "assault" rifle ban that was about a decade long. It didn't do anything, based Koreans defended themselves in the heart of the LA riots with guns and no one wants that type of legislation again. Democrats are changing plans and trying to find SOMETHING to chip away at. Major laws were created in the 30's, the 60's, the 80's. They chip and chip away at the 2nd.
>and besides not one time in the history of ever has any politician ever said we are going to take guns away from citizens
That means it's working as intended and there is no reason to mess with it further.
>>77998918
yea thats all fine and dandy but again people are still getting guns just fine. And if the banned expired then i guess there no need to bitch about it right? so like i said nobody ever came for anyones guns and nobody even talked about it. So how is this dumb ass meme still surviving is it just because gun owners are stupid enough to keep being trolled into buying more guns?
>>77999110
>And if the banned expired then i guess there no need to bitch about it right? so like i said nobody ever came for anyones guns and nobody even talked about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013
>>77996252
>individual
(((Kuntzman)))
>>77993047
get the fuck out!
>>77999268
right but the bill didnt pass. And im not talking about bans im talking about government going house to house to take your guns which never has and never will happen. Just because they introduce laws to try to stop highpowered weapons from being easily accessible doesnt mean they are taking anything from you.
>>77996564
what im trying to say is that if youre gonna be spending money for guns get the real fucking thing not the regulated shit.
These "assault rifles" are desgined for full auto operation and theyre sold with their parts messed with.
Its fucking pitiful to own these things, youre no better than a LARPer. Better buy airsoft if you want to play army so much.
>>77993047
>no libraries
came in here to tell you i stopped reading there and to fuck yourself
>>77993047
>legislating morality
>ban guns
>ban porn
>destroy libraries
Why dont we just enact Sharia Law while were at it?
>>77999471
You said no one is talking about another ban yet everytime a shooting happens, liberals come out of the wood work and demand laws. Our constitution is under constant threat and it is our duty not to forget that and to keep making sure the laws don't pass. The government hasn't come house to house technically but why would you want or give the government the power to do that?
After the Boston bombings police did go house to house without warrants, terrorizing residents. Since Boston does have tough gun laws there was little for them to do about it.
>>77999967
you read wrong i said nothing at all about bans i said no one is saying they are going to come and take your guns and the constitution isnt being threatened at all how could you say that when literally nothing has changed?
>>77999533
Built AR's are loads better than military issued garbage. Early M4's had issues with barrels melting. Full auto only requires some milling and a sear. Full auto is terrible in real life, it's only good for suppression. M4's have 3 shot burst.
>>78000140
Plenty has changed. I can't saw the barrel off by shotgun below 16", I can't buy a full auto made after 1986, here in Washington state I technically can't buy a gun at all without a background check and paying sales tax +FFL dealer fee. I can't carry guns in "gun free" zones. Chipping and chipping away.
>>77993047
>Extremely conservative. I want a smaller government than the Republican party wants.
These two are not congruent. You need only have a slight inclination towards conservatism to stand away from what the Republican party wants, as directed by its Washington-based leadership, those who get their power from centralized control of government just as much as the Democrats do, only with their emphasis being placed on somewhat different priorities. A reduction to the size of government is as foreign a concept to a run of the mill Republican found in party leadership as it would be to a Stalinist. That's why all the non-lip service conservatives are of the reform wing.
This alone reveals the post as bait even before getting to the legislating morality bit, such being a central concern of the progressive left far more than has ever been instituted (let alone desired by ) under Republicans.
And then you went and supported even the idea of taking rights away from Americans.
Onto your game, gommie
>>78000550
but you can still buy guns right? your constitutional rights are gona cause u cant saw a barrel or walk in every corner of the country? Give me a fucking break nothing has changed and guns will always be a part of america stop buying into your shitty right wing conspiracy sites i mean your literally bitching about a background check how stupid are you?
>>77998007
Well spoken, I know a few other high velocity low calibre rounds do the same... however I am presuming the lethality of said round is incredibly dependant on where the round pierced... I know that higher calibre rounds will inflict life threatening wounds where a high velocity round has the chance of simply passing through non valuable targets leaving the enemy a chance to usurp you.
See soldiers in middle east butthurt that 9mm Beretta doesn't knock em off the ass like the old .45 did.
Take into account many of America's enemies are drugged up and brainwashed as fuck
>>78000697
*gone
>>77993047
>Omar couldn't have killed as many people if we stopped tolerating muzzies
ftfy
>>77993624
>>77993624
>>77993624
>>OK, he didn't have an assault rifle, what were all these bills in congress about?
And the last horse FINALLY crosses the fucking finish line.
>>77995295
>>77995295
Ok so we go from calling shit assault rifles to battle rifles.
Please anon enlighten me to what the fuck a battle rifle is.
>>78000748
Yes though the MP7 with a 4.6mm bullet can go through body armor, it's not as lethal as 9mm. It's always a trade off of what you want. I don't think the MP7 was well received. Most have learned to shoot the face this day and age.
>>78000697
Gun laws have never proven to do any good. Areas with the most gun legislation have the most gun related crime. If you want to play the moral high ground game, shootings happen most in gun free zones.
>>78000697
>>78001190
you keep replying to me as if i am against owning guns or something. Just look past your shitty they're coming for my guns complex and read what im saying. No liberal or Obama has ever said we are taking guns away from lawful gun owners thats the only point im trying to make and just because there is a background check here or you cant saw your barrell doesnt change shit
>>77996010
>>77996010
>>77996010
"Civvie 5.56"?
What the fuck is this moon cricket talking about?
No seriously I want to know what the fuck this mongoloid is smoking. Get the fuck off Call of Duty or Battlefield, whatever game you learned that stupid shit from.
"Civvie 5.56" can absolutely go thru standard plate armor.
I say STANDARD because most police and swat don't purchase the higher tier plates because times are tough and money is tight, and fuck protecting LEO's apparently. Should equip them with better shit IMO
>>78001269
so because this happened somewhere else it automatically means its gonna happen in america?
>>78001483
All of that already happened in America
>>78001389
But they have said, "Due process is killing us" why would you side with that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkaXSAjsnDw
>>78001606
just because he says shit dosent mean its going to come to "we are going home to home and taking every gun". Paranoia really plays a big part in the gun debate and you gun owners play right into it like sheep. NOTHING is going to change and maybe in 5 years when you see that you can still go anywhere and get a gun maybe then you will realize how stupid it is to keep thinking someone is going to change that
>>78001577
can you please please explain to me how anything is different? are you that upset that clips are smaller or that you cant carry a gun into a school or airport?
>>78001180
Probably referring to infantry rifles in the .30 caliber range. Basically what assault rifles largely replaced under the doctrine of more ammo in a smaller caliber for the same weight.
>>78001180
battle rifles like the FAL and the G3 uses a much stronger cartridge than assault rifles like the ak and the m4.
battle rifles are designed as high capacity marksman rifles and most are semi autos.
the m14 is a semi auto battle rifle from the us and all available units sold to civvies are military grade real shit. theyre expensive (4 grand per pop) but owning one will make the gov shit their pants around your presence.
>>78001844
>>78001759
There's plenty of examples that have been provided yet you parrot the same thing. We aren't going to give in because the president cries on the TV.
>>78001957
>tfw G11 didn't make it to production.
>>78001844
I'm upset that I have to spend $200 extra to buy a suppressor, and have to register it along with a sbs or sbr
I'm upset that one of these is classified as a hand gun and can be bought and sold easilyh, but the other requires a $200 tax stamp and tons of paperwork to obtain legally, and if you don't you'll get a 10 year federal prison sentence.
I'm upset that a legal full auto Mac 10 which is a piece of shit costs $10,000
And I actually can carry in schools and airports (minus past TSA points) in my state, but that's beside the point
>>77993047
Fuck off, faggot.
>>77998240
>quick question where did this whole government is going to come and take your guns meme start?
The nature of man, his desire for power over others, unrestrained by enumerated, enunciated and well-respected rights of a people determined to be free. Such is the main thing to take out of our founding, if ever you've even heard about that brief time in history.
>>77998350
Lawmakers generally don't use this argument, of course. Or if they do, it's usually an aspect of fundraising efforts. Otherwise, they prattle on about "common-sense restrictions" and safeguards.
>>78002236
right well how about this i will say your right when they make selling guns illegal and they go house to house and take every gun but until then your just a paranoid retard whos way to worried about if a gun can have 50 bullets or 30 have fun being basic
>>77996010
Jesus Christ, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I don't even know where to begin with this post.
>the lethality of a civvie 5.56 is almost the same as a pistol round bud
First off, what the fuck is "civvie" 5.56? Do you realize you can buy the same Olin Corp./Federal M855 green tip penetrator rounds the military uses at just about any gun store in the US? Also, if you are using non military 5.56, the powder load / bullet gr. is usually the same if not heavier than the military load. Green tip military stuff uses 62gr. bullets, whereas many hunting bullets for 5.56 use weights into the 70's. Also, "civilian" 5.56 can be loaded with things like polymer tip core lokt bullets which are far more devastating that ball M855 due to the military having to follow all sorts of retarded conventions and treaties.
Also, if "civvie" 5.56 has as much punch as a pistol round, the gas from that would be far to weak to even cycle the bolt. A standard AR-15 wouldn't even function if 5.56 was as weak as you claim. There is a reason they make special light weight buffers and Buffer springs for 9mm AR-15s.
1/2
>>78001957
>>78002200
Wow ok thank you for enlightening me. After reading what I typed it came off as a huge asshole thing but I genuinely had never heard them called battle rifles. guess I hang around the wrong "gun crowd"
thanks for the school lesson anons.
>>78002452
>You're paranoid until it actually happens
No, we're trying to make sure it doesn't happen to start with retard
>>77996010
2/2
>plus all these civilian "assault rifles" are the worst fucking shit ever
Lots of AR-15s don't come up to military specification, but there are many that go far, far past it and are better than any M4/M16 the military ever handed out. Think Noveske Rifleworks, LWRC, Daniel Defense, etc. Noveske barrels in particular are amazing and shit all over the FN barrels the military uses, and there are civilian C158 Bolt Carrier Groups coated in Nickel Boron that resist pitting and wear far better than standard mil-spec C158 BCGs.
>these things have an effective range of 150m while the military m16a2 (based on the same design) is at 500m.
I have no idea where the fuck you got that garbage info from. Length of the barrel determines effective range, and the M16A2 uses a 20" barrel, and so do many civilian owned AR-15 rifles. 16" is another common length, and it's effective range is far beyond 150m and nearly as far as the 20" barrel. Hell, the military M4 carbine uses a 14.5 inch barrel, according to you that thing should have an effective range of 100 feet. If you are trying to say civilian AR-15s are not as accurate, that simply isn't true in most cases. Military rifles use Standard FN M203 cut barrrels. They are nothing special in terms of accuray, and again they get shit on by properly crowned stainless HBAR barrels in terms of accuray.
>>78002276
how about you get upset when you cant get any of that at all and just fucking deal with the paperwork and stop being a crybaby bitch about it. Jesus Christ how do u think people in Europe and shit feel they cant even say mean things on the internet and you fuckers are crying over paperwork to get a silencer?
>>78002452
But gun manufactures did have to move to other states because of legislation after Sandy Hook. Your head is in the sand.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/26/magpul-finalizes-departure-colorado/
>>78002344
right but nobody in government has once ever said they are going to take your guns so for you to sit there and get all worked up over something that isnt real is fucking stupid
>>78002552
what makes you think it will ever happen? because some bitch was 51 votes short? stop being stupid and just enjoy your guns
>>77993047
>assault rifles
Here's your red pill: that is an invented term. It has no definition. It doesn't mean anything more than "whatever the liberal media is afraid of."
>>77993047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-F_zfoDqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLjFm6GMBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAw3VWVyD8
>>77993047
>If I ran the country there would be no taxpayer funded libraries
Only in America is illiteracy a """"conservative"""""""" value.
>>78002575
I don't give a shit what the people in Europe feel, they voted in their politicians and weren't vigilant and let them be disarmed so that now they are being raped en mass
Why do I have to wait until it gets worse to be mad? Why should we have arbitrary bullshit laws on the books that say a 16" rifle is legal but a 15" rifle is super deadly and illegal without paperwork?
Give me a good reason why something like the NFA needs to exist?
>>78002652
SO FUCKING WHAT
what does that change for anything you can still get the fucking gun dumbass
>>78002749
What are you getting worked up over? Why do you care? If "nothing ever changes" if gun laws and bans are made and unmade then why do you care?
>>78002200
>theyre expensive (4 grand per pop)
Even match M1A's usually aren't that expensive. You must be getting ripped off.
>>78002749
>what makes you think it will ever happen?
What makes you think it won't? They're trying their damnedest and it happened in other countries not too long ago.
>>77996010
>>77996010
OP I'm not trying to troll you or rustle you or WTF ever, but I legit think you are mentally retarded. Like 100% serious. If you SERIOUSLY believe what you typed you are retarded.
Now, if this is the info you were given (which is wrong) and you didn't know any better then read up and get educated and stop being retarded.
See below....
>>77997286
>>78001434
>>78002456
>>78002556
If you don't read the above shit, or really anything other than what you spouted off, CONGRATS! You are retarded. not "lol i am using this as a insult" but you are actually mentally challenged.
>>78002892
because getting mad about something that doesnt exist is fucking stupid. why waste the energy? obviously you dont love your guns that much if you cant even do some paperwork just be happy you can still get them
>>77993047
You'd be surprised what you could do with just a pistol, we had a mass shooting here about 25 years ago, a guy just walked around the city and shot at kaffers, he killed 8 and wounded 16, when the police arrested him he say he shot badly.
This was in a big city were people could run away and at longer ranges than a building, just look at that chinaman that shot the people at the university in the USA, he had a compact 9mm and a .22 handgun.
>>78002909
>i will say your right when they make selling guns illegal
>prove that there are states that have made making and selling gun stuff illegal
>SO FUCKING WHAT
The bottom gun is more lethal. "Assault weapons" are a made up term for guns that appear scary to liberals.
>>78003014
>just be happy you can still get them
No. That's a stupid way of thinking
And you didn't answer my questions
>>78002910
because i was never once talking about gun bans all i said in the beginning is why does this stupid we are gonna come and take your guns meme keep getting new life when there has never been evidence to support it you guys are the ones who keeps saying shit about bans
>>78003062
this is what always makes me mad.
Its that whole picture where you have a standard M4 looking AR-15 and another plain wood furniture .223 / 5.56 rifle below it... LITERALLY for all intensive purposes the "same" gun... yet the black one is bad, the wood one is ok.... like...what?
>>78002657
If as you grant its man's nature to seek power over others, then you should also grant that the guileful man desires to do so intelligently, that he not telegraph his want to those over whom he seeks control and so alarms them to resist his design.
>>77999110
The recent Chicago assault weapons ban actually did take away existing guns from people, or force them to put the guns into storage in another jurisdiction or with family out of state.
>>78003170
>when there has never been evidence to support it
There have been dozens of politicians and people all over the media are calling for banning and taking semi automatic firearms
>>78002973
how are they trying their damndest? because they wanna make it just a little harder for crazy people to get guns? again you show me when they say we are banning every gun then i will hop on your side. And showing pictures of old communist doesnt help your argument America never has been an never will be like any of the shit countries just stop with the paranoia
>>77993047
>OK, folks. I'm generally very facetious. Extremely facetious. I soak less truthfully than an Onion news article. I'm not a comedian though because I totally don't do this jokingly. When I run my mouth off and spout lies it isn't to make you laugh, it's to set a false precedent so you are more likely to be deceived by my next sentiment. That's how facetious I am.
>Here's the thing. I'm pretending tosupport people's rights to own guns, but claim I'm not totally settled on assault rifles. By claiming to be conservative before going on to advocate against conservative actions, I hope to mislead you with false rhetoric. Since I've already claimed ingroup status, I Gore nobody will point out this glaring inconsistency
>I'm not willing to listen to any posts, so don't bother responding to me, /pol/.
>>78003170
They tried a ban and it didn't work and failed the second time they brought it up. They are changing tactics. It's common sense to know their end game.
>>78003299
>again you show me when they say we are banning every gun then i will hop on your side
>Branford, Connecticut Police Officer Joseph Peterson
“I [would] give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun.” Those are his exact words to a long-time “friend” of his...
>Senator Frank Launtenberg (D – NJ)
“We have other legislation that all of you are aware that I have been so active on, with my colleagues here, and that is to shut down the gun shows.”
>Fmr. Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D – OH)
“No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.”– Constitution Subcommittee, 2 February, 1989
>Fmr. Representative Charles Pashayan (R – CA)
“All of this has to be understood as part of a process leading ultimately to a treaty
that will give an international body power over our domestic laws.”– United Nations Small Arms Conference, 2001
>Fmr. Senator John Chafee (R – RI)
“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!”– Minneapolis Star Tribune pg. 31A, 15 June, 1992.
>Then-Senator Joe “Buckshot” Biden (D – DE)
“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”– Associated Press, 11 November, 1993
>Representative Jan Schakowski (D – IL)
“I believe…..this is my final word……I believe that I’m supporting the Constitution of the United States which does not give the right for any individual to own a handgun….”– Recorded 25 June, 2000 by Matt Beauchamp
>Fmr. Representative Major Owens (D – NY)
“We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.”
>>77998314
>that pic
K-keep me posted
>>78003041
>gun stuff
like i said tell me when you cant buy a firearm anymore
>>77993047
Fuck off, faggot.
>>78003273
not what i said i said show me one politician who said we are going to go to your home and take all your firearms and make guns illegal
>>78003263
source?
>>77993047
>but I'm not totally settled on assault rifles
if you were so smart and did your research you wouldn't have even made this thread
>>78003481
I can't buy a gun in other states other than the state I'm residing in.
>>78003393
ok bud well you just stay mad about something that will never happen
>>78003581
>Fmr. United States Attorney General Janet “Waco” Reno
“The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.”– Written affidavit by Fred Diamond, 1984 B’nai B’rith meeting in Coral Gables, Florida
>New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo (D)
” …confiscation could be an option…”
>>78003665
It did happen, and once the ban expired everyone learned what a terrible idea it was and they don't want it to happen again.
>>78003263
>>78003615
If the government starting coming to take peoples guns away, out of their homes.... that would be a dark day in American history...
The south would literally implode I worry...
I can understand sensible gun polices... but saying you are going to take them by force out of someones house is asking for 9 types of trouble.
>>78003404
>people talking out of their ass
but you got me i did say no one said it but still none of these things will ever gain any ground
>>78003757
>>New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo (D)
>” …confiscation could be an option…”
they attempted confiscation and there was a 95% non-compliance
>>78003665
I take it you don't know your history. 1994-2004, there was an "assault weapons ban." It went horribly, and was therefore allowed to sunset.
>>78003649
how so? you could go to a gun show in kentucky and get a gun no questions asked so i dont understand how you cant
Absolutely shit bait, why does this have 150+ replies?
>>78003860
I think you mean registration, but nevertheless, good
>>78003884
Let's see the guns you obtained by your "gun show loophole" meme
>>78003884
a private sale to a resident of another state is a felony.
an FFL won't sell you a gun if you're from another state, he'll send it to your state's FFL dealer and you can do a BGC there
>>78003884
I'm from KY and this is 100% true. Last gun show (and every one i go to every year) people walk around with guns on shoulders (cleared with zip ties blah blah) with prices on flags in the barrel.
>>78003881
a ban that was lifted and its not every gun its just assault rifles besides again i dont want guns banned or outlawed as much as you guys dont i think any citizen should be allowed to own what ever the fuck they want i just wish there was a way to make it so crazy people or people who were investigated by the fbi cant just go to a store and buy a gun
>>78003581
>show me one politician who said we are going to go to your home and take all your firearms and make guns illegal
See pic:
>>78002552
>>78003823
The media is sure pushing hard for it
>The New York Times (Dec. 4, 2015)
“It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition…It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation…Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.”
>The Huffington Post (Dec 7, 2015)
“One may say that the Supreme Court, after 250 years in which the Second Amendment was read as allowing only a well-regulated militia to have guns, recently reinterpreted it to mean that there is an individualized right to own guns. This suggests that we may have to get to domestic disarmament through the back door. Above all, domestic disarmament is a true, compelling vision which cannot be said about the small gun control measures that are currently promoted by some of the most enlightened people among us.”
>NewRepublic.com (Dec 10, 2015)
“Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police….Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them…Even the rare ban-guns arguments involve prefacing and hedging and disclaimers. “We shouldn’t ‘take them away’ from people who currently own them, necessarily,” writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we should.”
>>78002657
You are 100% fucking wrong.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/01/01/reminder-sen-feinstein-said-she-wants-all-guns-banned/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DffI-tWh37UY&ved=0ahUKEwiO7Mynw7jNAhUQQFIKHY2KBBsQtwIIGzAA&usg=AFQjCNFdIK_azTHKVCn1XWNxJdhYsdGdLQ&sig2=bFW0gqfpgmWLfojQJf8OLA
She is not alone in this. Hillary won't even acknowledge that the right to bear arms refers to the people and not just the state.
>>78003884
No, you can't. I mean, it's possible in theory, but it's against the law and punishable by 4 years in federal prison. You aren't gonna be able to do that, because nobody wants to take the risk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEihkjKNhN8
>>78004058
It's illegal for me to buy out of state. You are basing your ideas off the fucking internet.
>>78003996
We aren't allowed to own whatever we want. You show me how to legally obtain military drones, fighter jets, fully armed tanks, or even fully automatic weaponry.
>>78004045
and nothing has changed at all not one single thing accept a ban here or there so again you work yourselfs up over absolutely nothing
>>78004045
>“We shouldn’t ‘take them away’ from people who currently own them, necessarily,” writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we****** should.”
******Someone else do it, please, with a gun. And shoot the bastards if you have to. Fucking reactionaries!
>>78004253
>accept
You mean "except," and a "ban here and there," eventually leads to a ban of all privately owned weapons.
>>78004253
>not one single thing except
GG liberal shill
>>78004169
i think you can buy tanks just not armed but again do u need drones and fighter jets? and i didnt say your allowed to own what ever you want i said you should be allowed too do you guys even read what im saying?
>>78004253
>and nothing has changed at all not one single thing accept a ban here or there
Are you baiting or really just this stupid?
>>78004253
>they haven't been able to do it so its ok don't worry about it
>>78004084
Im the guy in >>78003991
I dont think people understand we arent talking about people from the booths. We are talking about Tom, Dick, and Harry walking around with the private guns they own on there shoulders and they are allowed to sell them to strangers at the show.
They arent businesses it is a private sale.
No background check.
I am against pretty much all gun control. I think i should be able to buy silencers, Assault" ban is retarded, blah blah blah.... BUT I 100% think you shouldnt be able to walk up to someone and buy a gun and not have to do a background check.
you should have to say...
"Hi yes can I buy this gun from you?"
"SURE! Its $800"
"OOOOK I will take it!!"
"OK! Lets head over to the Background check booth (or whatever shitty name for it) and get the paperwork done!"
>>78004349
Gattling guns had to be bought privately because the military couldn't afford them during the Civil War
>>77994636
>U can't hunt dur with dat darn plastic rifle. Won't be any dur left for the huntin season. Son you need to go buy a tree'o'ate dur rifle.
Wat do?
>>78004349
Well, you said: >>78004349
>I don't think any citizen should be allowed to own what ever the fuck they want.
Excuse my confusion.
>>78004412
Why should that be illegal? Do you have to go through a background check everytime to post on the internet?
>>78004345
>one person being arrested
so do you people just get your rocks off at the thought of fighting the government or having them come and try to fight you? you can not be this stupid to think anythings different about buying guns because of this pic. Again bitch and moan and cry when you cant buy guns anymore or they come to your house to get yours or pass laws to say they can until then just shut the fuck up and enjoy your weapons
>>78004412
And you really think having universal background checks is going to stop Tyrone from buying a stolen gun from Jamal? That they'll go to a gun store to do paperwork for a check they know they can't pass?
Who's going to enforce it?
You're really only punishing the father who has to get government permission to sell or gift his son a gun.
>>78003996
>besides again i dont want guns banned or outlawed as much as you guys dont i think any citizen should be allowed to own what ever the fuck they want i just wish there was a way to make it so crazy people or people who were investigated by the fbi cant just go to a store and buy a gun
So you're agreed that the 2nd shouldn't be done away with quite so directly, just the concept of due process, whereby the burden is shifted from the state having to pass an amendment, a highly visible political process wherein public debate has its sway, to a unelected bureaucracy given authority to create lists of peoples (perhaps legitimately, perhaps from "an overabundance of caution" by a newly empowered ruling class) who with a mere accusation against them will cause them to lose their rights. Great to have you aboard as a stalwart defender of liberty.
It'll never happen here in America, but for the likes of you.
>>78004353
tell me just tell me what the fuck is different? because u cant have full auto or buy a tank? is it really that big of a deal when you can still buy a fucking AR 15 no problem?
>>78004412
And if those people are caught doing that as a business plan, they go to federal prison. That said, selling one gun doesn't require background checks, or even selling off an inherited collection, or something like that. If you inherited a gun from a relative, how would you do a background check to get rid of it?
>>78004412
Why should the transfer of arms between private citizens be subject to government oversight? It is anti-freedom, and heavily subject to abuse. Eventually, it will create a defacto gun ban when the intermediary (the government) decides that it will no longer play nice.
On top of that, it is almost impossible to regulate, and criminals only obtain 1% of their guns from places like gunshows.
>>78004619
Except that they are trying to take that away.
>>78004389
atleast wait to get mad when they introduce a bill with some crazy shit but dont say the sky is falling because they want background checks
>>78004619
they've already encroached on the rights for no fucking reason
there was NO reason to ban automatics at all beyond their fee fees
>no stop complaining you can still buy an AKM and an AR-15
>no stop complaining, at least you can still buy an AR-15
>you didn't need them anyway
>>78004619
California compliant AR-15's are vastly different from other AR-15's, Colorado AR-15's are sold with 10 round mags only.
>>77993047
>no taxpayer founded libraries
>porn illegal
mudslime confirmed
>>78004619
>tell me what the fuck is different?
he says, as he lists things that are different in his own posts throughout the thread
7/10, people will continue to respond since our /k/ posters are unable to resist, but I would personally recommend that next time you tone it down a bit.
>>77993047
>very conservative
>thinks assault rifles are a thing
topbait
>>78004726
They introduced 4 proposals on Monday, several of which would have banned AR-15s. One of them was literally renewing the 1994 ban, PLUS denying the right to bear arms to anyone on a watch list (remember, no crimes committed), with no method of appeal.
Stop acting like nothing is happening. You come off as retarded.
>>78004726
>just wait until the water is at 212 until you leap, little frog
>>78004483
its all good and again im not some liberal whos against guns or anything i love the fact we have that right an we get to shit on other countries who dont i just wish somehow we could make the system safer. Besides im 24 and ive never shot a gun in my life but i really really want too but i dont know where to start
>>78004561
>Again bitch and moan and cry when you cant buy guns anymore or they come to your house to get yours or pass laws to say they can until then just shut the fuck up and enjoy your weapons
Fuck you I'll bitch and moan now to stop it from happening in the future.
Are you some mistyping bad grammar ATF honeypot or something?
>>78004619
Try buying a normal AR15 in California. Or being able to carry a weapon in a liberal state to defend your kids.
It's a long slow process that the politicians are playing over the long run. It's not going to happen overnight, but over time.
You seem to fail to grasp this concept
>>77993047
>I feel like a ban would be restricting personal liberty
>I totally support legislating morality
Retard general?
I try to keep ideological and practical universe opinions/morals separate, as well as vary them based on the existence of a state in such a universe.
>>78003360
underrated
>>78004500
What the hot shit? Thats like comparing apples and baseballs. I do think it should be illegal to sell a gun to someone who could possibly be a bad guy, hence the background check.
I'm not saying it would have solved any mass shootings, and to introduce laws DIRECTLY after one is retarded knee jerk reaction. I was just simply stating being able to sell a gun to a stranger, that you dont know, and are taking his word hes a "good guy" is not right. And if you are worried about false negatives, I agree we need to fix the fucking system.
>>78004569
No I dont think it will stop two moon crickets from doing moon cricket shit. And I didnt say a Father shouldnt be able to gift a gun to his son / relative. Simply you shouldnt be bale to sell a firearm to a stranger.
If i want to gift a firearm to a friend / family member I have no problem with that.... I just dont think you (or me) as a responsible gun owner should trust strangers like that...
I dunno I like to think of myself as a hugely pro gun person, and a huge stickler to safety.... So I think it is incredibly un-safe from a firearms perspective to sell to a stranger.
>>78004864
If you want to make the system safer, get rid of gun safe zones. Also, place the blame on most mass shootings where they belong: Society's treatment of men. Shit didn't happen 60 years ago, despite fully auto guns available for mail-order sales.
>>78004590
again your not really getting what im saying if there was a perfect system to make it only good intetioned people could buy firearms would you not want that?
>>78004726
>wait for the storm to arrive before you prepare for it
>>78005015
On what grounds could she "shut down" the NRA?
>>78004438
Buy an AR-10, obviously
>>78005001
That's a non argument pipe dream, you're wishing for the impossible
>>78003615
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/lt2015/data/a7a57bf0-12dc41eb-af712-dc46-923815c7c3b2a231.html?ownapi=1
Registrations were revoked and prohibition was prohibited, with no grandfather clause. Citizens were directed to either render the weapons permanently inoperable, surrender them to police, or remove them from the jurisdiction.
>>78004438
>Wat do?
Show them this
>>78004642
Thats a great point. I'm not saying my idea was perfect 100%, and the systems we have NOW are far from perfect...
As ive said above i just think it is unsafe and wrong to sell to strangers like that. But that is a great point you brought up.
>>78004698
Another great point. And i agree with that. That goes back to alot of government shit I dont like that in THEORY is a great idea... in practice the people doing it fuck it up royally so ,yes I agree with you...
Its like the medical marijuana states who have legalized it but said FUCK IT and wont issue licenses.
All great points and I have honestly loved this debate.
>>78004970
>I do think it should be illegal to sell a gun to someone who could possibly be a bad guy
That already is illegal. Felons can't buy guns. "possibly" means that they should have a fair trial to determine that. How is it Apples and Baseballs? The Pen is Mightier than the Sword is it not?
>>78005152
*"possession was prohibited"
>>78005074
Label it a domestic terrorist organization
>Vermont State Mary Ann Carlson (D)
“We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing
who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.”
>>78005001
Of course. I would also like a world where everybody could be rich enough to purchase a mansion with half an hour of work, and for all little girls to have immortal ponies, and for dogs to live as long as men, without needing to go to the vet.
Talking hypotheticals is nice, but adults put dreams away and deal with the real world. Giving the government the power to decide who should own weapons isn't a practical solution.
>>77993047
shill scum, literally kill yourself.
>>77993047
If Omar couldn't buy an AK-15 (he still would have been able to since he was a govt. contractor security employee) he would have found another way to smuggle one or a different type of weapon in.
The solution is to arm our population MORE and not let these rats in, better yet go fuck them up so badly they leave us alone for good
>>78005087
>Son you're tellin me that you can fire 20 rounds of tree'0'ate and you can fire them with ery trigger pull in that darn rifle. There won't get any dur left. If you can't take the dur in one shot you shouldn't be huntin. What you need is a good bolt gun to take the dur.
>>78005230
>"If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.”
If that was anywhere near true, there would be rampant crime EVERYWHERE. I'm pretty sure there are more guns in the US than there are people.
go to assaultweapon.info
and maybe grab a snickers, all this thinking will wear you out
>>78005359
Since when have politicians, liberals no less, been known to use logic?
>>78005209
Felons cant buy guns from dealers.
Lets say i am a felon and want a gun... YES i could go to Tyrone on the street corner... but lets say I am of the...fairer complexion and dont want to get gang rapped in the alley...
Well I could go to the local gun show and see Billy walking around with a AK on his back (with a $600 price) and a .45 on his side ($900)
Well I just ask him if I can buy them, he asks me if I am a good guy (Paraphrasing) I give him the money and we are good to go.
I think if he was CONVICTED of, lets say murder, in a trial by his peers he shouldn't be able to buy a gun like that.
>>78005001
Because the nature of rights precludes the notion of setting on them a value judgement to who does and does not get to exercise them. There's one legitimate way of determining who ought to keep their rights and who has forfeited them through their actions (not intentions), and that is the legal system.
If there were a perfect system to make it that only good intentioned people could buy firearms, there would be no cause for firearms, for not only human nature need have been overwritten, but the clarity of human perception of just who has good intentions, either of which is a utopian fantasy.
>>78005346
It aint just for deer, but for hogs and niggers
>>78005421
I guess I just expected news reporters to do their fucking job.
>>77993047
>but Omar couldn't have killed as many people if he could only buy a pistol.
semi auto, with changeable mags.
Hell, two pistols is probably more yield, and cheaper.
>>78005537
The news fucking hates guns and gun owners
>CNN.com (January 8, 2016) W. Kamau Bell
“And let me be clear about something else, gun owners. I want President Obama to want to take your guns away. I don't trust you with your guns. I don't trust you to fire them safely. I don't trust you to store them safely. I don't trust your kids not to find them. I don't trust you not to get them stolen.
I don't trust you not to issue a blanket blame of everyone with mental health issues every time there is a mass shooting, even though we all know that for the most part people with mental health issues are only dangerous to a pint of Ben & Jerry's.
And frankly, I don't trust you not to shoot me with your guns for no reason. But that's just me, and my friends and family.”
>>78005482
Felons can't buy guns period. It's illegal. Criminals break laws, imagine fucking that.
>>78005610
Virginia Tech shooter had no issues using handguns
>>78005482
A felon can also create a gun with a google search, 20 bucks at lowes, and about half an hour.
Oh, and lets not forget about 3D printers, where you can create a working gun that won't be detected by metal detectors.
Oh, and lets not forget about straw man purchases.
If people want a gun, they will get one. No amount of government regulation will change that. Even if they managed to implement a system that would track every schematic downloaded, they would go to a library, use a public computer, save it to a flash drive, and print it off on a computer not hooked up to the internet.
>>78005482
Felons are barred from buying guns from ANYONE. FFL, private, doesn't fucking matter. All saying that private sellers have to go through NICS to make a sale is doing, is making an unenforceable law. Someone who sells guns to felons now won't be affected by the law, just like how he's not affected by laws saying he can't sell crack.
Also, despite the cultural meme, guns shows are 99% retail expos and demonstrations, everyone selling guns there is an FFL holder and thus already does the same background check stuff as a regular gun store.
>>78005620
It's funny. If you replaced "gun owners" with "black people," it would be much more accurate, albeit racist.
>>78005482
What's stopping them from simply conducting a straw purchase? Even though it's illegal it's only illegal if you get caught
>>78005807
>straw purchase?
straw purchases, ironically, are a felony
>>78005853
As they should be. But if you're already a criminal, what the fuck do you care?
>>78005853
Have fun proving it, rather than proving that it was a purchased gift.
>>78005936
>rather than proving that it was a purchased gift.
thats still a felony because you made an illegal transfer of a gun
>>78005974
Oh, so I should go to prison for going in and purchasing a Smith and Wesson Shield for my wife as a birthday present, even though I explicitly told the gun seller at Gander Mountain that this was exactly what I was buying it for?
>>78005974
Only if the person is restricted from owning a firearm. There's nothing illegal about buying a gun as a gift as long as both the buyer and the recipient aren't felons.
Once you buy a gun, it's your property to do with what you wish, including gifting it to someone.
>>78005637
Well i guess I am just not as big as a "gun nut" as you.... Maybe I am just to liberal (ew) I think the majority of the gun laws we have are fucking retarded. I should be able to buy any type of gun / firearm / part (suppressors hint hint) that I have the money to posses, but the one thing I don't think is wrong is having to go thru a background check to make sure you aren't a criminal. So i don't think its crazy to say everyone who buys a gun should go thru one.
NOW! (not sure if you are op to this) if the government started saying "Oh no, we seem to have lost the computers to do background checks, I guess you guys are fucked...OH WELL :) " then I would see a problem. A huge fucking problem.
>>78005711
I agree with you on the 3D printing side. If someone wants a gun, they will get a gun. Sorta like drugs. If someone wants some drugs, they will go get some drugs... same shit happened with booze... So I agree with you there.
I guess there is no fixing the problem, fuck it, eliminate background checks, let anyone buy anything.
If i win the fucking powerball let me buy a Abrams, and a real drone. not this sissy shit from Best Buy.
>>78006064
>Oh, so I should go to prison for going in and purchasing a Smith and Wesson Shield for my wife as a birthday present
Its about intent, obviously that is with good intent. What the news lady did however was text book straw purchase.
