But why should I go for that? What's in it for me? I earn a lot, there is porn, I don't have to be bothered to feed the kids or get up at night, I don't have to buy shit for my wife or go to marriage counseling etc.
I don't see the appeal. Personally, I think humans are like locust, they ruin the Earth, so why should I help prolong humanity's existence? With radical Islam taking over and the dark ages coming, humanity won't survive until 2100 anyway.
I find marriage unnecessary and outdated. I am married with 2 kids, he's a good guy and life is "perfect". I just don't find the paper part necessary. So while i wish i could back out i don't wanna be the bitch that ruined everything. So i can't tell anyone i know. Shhh.
Don't listen to the white niggers here.
But try to cut out porn, Celibacy is redpilled as fuck, potentially more than marriage if you can honestly handle it.
The world needs good fathers, but it also needs more celibates who truly resist degeneracy
>>77950500
Agree on the good dad thing. But i think u don't need to be married for that.
>>77947340
I'm 41 now, too late for me, and anyway there are no good women in Bongland.
>>77947340
>What's in it for me
Individuals by itself worth jack shit on average. So, until you have cured cancer or something, go and do something useful for once in your pathetic excuse for a life.
>>77949468
>I am married with 2 kids, he's a good guy and life is "perfect" So while i wish i could back out i don't wanna be the bitch that ruined everything
ha ha ha
nice try there """"m'am""""
>>77950937
Try what exactly? Uh... """sir"""?
>>77950891
>do something useful for once in your pathetic excuse for a life.
explain how knocking up a girl and have a shitty taxpayer subsidized family life is more useful than keeping the capitalist system alive, pay a lot of taxes, take nothing out of society and get zero state subsidies?
>>77950937
Oh shit did u think im a dude? Seriously no... ew lol. I just think if u r self sufficient u don't need other folks' shit complicating your day unless they were ur loin fruit.
>>77951921
>Oh shit did u think im a dude?
/pol/ is certified 95% male and 5% faggots/cucks.
>>77952223
What is a cuck? Sorry new to this
>>77949468
>Pinoy
Well that makes sense. Nobody who's married in the West goes on this shithole.
>>77947340
Good goy.
>>77947340
>I think humans are like locust, they ruin the Earth
Kill yourself then.
>With radical Islam taking over and the dark ages coming, humanity won't survive until 2100 anyway.
Yes, humanity will survive.
But only arabs and africans will, because German cucks like you refuse to fulfil your biological purpose, to fuck.
>>77952457
>What is a cuck? Sorry new to this
>>77952979
>Kill yourself then.
No, why?
>>77952979
>German cucks like you refuse to fulfil your biological purpose, to fuck.
That's what I said. Radical Islam is taking over. Radical Muslims have 8, 9 or 10 kids and our government hands them thousands of Euros each month for "social support".
I have no intention to contribute to a society which is already dead and has been taken over by Muslims.
>>77952632
Pinay actually
>>77953013
Just found out what a cuck is from another thread, so faggots still mean gay right?
>>77953670
>so faggots still mean gay right?
No, it is a general insult against people who you do not agree with.
>>77949468
If the paper part doesn't matter to you, why bother to back out? Because subconsciously you want to rape your husband financially. Because subconsciously you want short term financial gain.
Some institutions do not make sense on the individual level, or in the modern world.
Our culture is far too promiscuous and hedonistic for marriage to seem like a good deal for a man, for the reasons you mentioned and because you can find a new skank every weekend anyway. Along with no-fault divorce etc, the institution of marriage has been destroyed. It's easier to enter into/leave than a newspaper subscription. Marriage is a way to harness the male's reproductive drive into being conducive to the creation/maintenance of civilizations. Probably an evolved behavior, given that most successful cultures do something similar. Monogamous marriage is simply divvying up the women so that unattractive males get their share too, and thus become contented.
Modern (science) education has destroyed religion. We have sanctimonious, nominal christianity these days which I think is more of a hinderance than a help - the bad without the good. When someone grows up around Large hadron colliders, nanopolymers, test tube cloned animals etc, belief in the supernatural won't come easy. Compare that to a farmboy in the 1800's, who knows only dung and soil but occasionally gets to visit a virtual castle with huge stained glass windows and golden statues.
>>77951435
Why do you worship the economy? Let alone in what you yourself call a doomed mudslim hellworld?
Surely the perpetuation of the species (specifically, the white race) is a higher goal than GDP gains.
It is also possible to be a financial net gain to your society while retaining replacement level birthrates.
Besides, pro-immigration kikes/cucks are spending their credibility at a ridiculous rate. They will be all out shortly, at which point I expect to see a reichification of most/all of the western world.
>>77951435
>German communist education
The "subsidies" go back into the economy through purchasing things or putting them into the bank. They aren't talking anything out of society. The only way it could take away from society is if you store store cash away in a box and never use it.
>>77954251
Huh, so my lexicon needs updating. Thanks.
Still in college as a 23 year old yet one more year to go.
I said it at age 20, why would I want to get married so quick if I can't provide for my family? I got my own problems to worry about right now and the last thing I want is to drag my future wife and kids into it.
Worrying about myself for now.
>>77952457
>>What is a cuck? Sorry new to this
Are you kidding me?
>>77954421
Nigger please, i earn more than my husband. So maybe keep the paper but change living arrangements. That's fine by me to and really boyfriends are the farthest thing from my mind. I just wanna raise my kids the way i want and not have a third kid in the house.
>>77954671
You will remain attractive to fertile women well into your 30's. Work on yourself until then, and reproduce with a mid-20's girl when ready. Statistically, you want your kids from a woman younger than 31 or so, which is around when the risk for autismbabbies goes through the roof.
>>77947340
Having kids is supposed to be a good in itself. If you have to ask "What's in it for me?", you are probably too far into the rabbit hole of egotistical individualism and it is probably too late to even argue with you on this point. This is like you asking "Why do people eat tasty food? What's really the point?" or "Why do people like to have sex? I don't see really see anything beneficial in it".
tl;dr: do not have kids, you do not have the mindset to have them
>>77954421
Also you poser. You come out with this eloquent argument but make gross misjudgements of people from a few words. Your a fucking bigot.
>>77955209
You may be right, but a bad father with children is better than none at all. The whole "you need the ideal family" is a modern age meme. Think about it for a second: what's better? Western family with money. Or Ahmed and his three first grade cousin wives and 8 inbred children?
>>77947340
You can start with yourself with that defeatist attitude.
Humanity is destined for the stars.
>>77955668
Not sure, if shitposting.
>>77955209
Much can happen to one's mindset in a mere year or two. I can attest to that, so I don't think you should be so quick to give up on people.
In my 26th year, I went from the "I'll always only live for myself, I never asked to be born" edgelord attitude to yearning for a family in a matter of weeks. Of course, the family I want resembles the idealized one of NatSoc propaganda and I will inevitably be disappointed.
>>77950500
What if I'm incel?
>>77956647
Just delude yourself that it's because of your virtue/stoicism/morality like the rest of us :^ )
>>77957084
Sounds good Swedebro, thank you.
>>77954449
>They aren't talking anything out of society.
Cockroach detected.
I pay taxes into the system, state doesn't hand anything back to me, except for maybe roads and police.
Some "redpilled" white trash has 4 kids, gets thousands in taxpayer money as child support by state, gets tax cuts, school is paid for kids by taxpayer money, healthcare for kids is paid with my taxpayer money, kids are a nuissance, but "uhhh, kids"... but sure, they aren't taking "anything" out of society. Well, they are robbing me, that is for sure.
>>77954421
>Surely the perpetuation of the species (specifically, the white race) is a higher goal than GDP gains.
1. Self preservation
2. Art preservation
1. always comes before 2. GDP growth helps me get 1. done. And Germany is dead anyway, so 2. isn't even an option anymore.
>>77947340
i wish i would have a wife and 4 children
2 boys and 2 girls
and many pets
but women are too cold hearted and superficial...
>>77954421
Meanwhile on a more serious note. I just find that these days women being educated are able to see life beyond the husband's means. While there are ways of still moving as a unit in the same direction the difficulty is reconciling the ritual of courtship vs. the expectations once in a marriage. You only really get to know each other when you are married for a number of years. And you tend to discover more about yourself then too. I'm sure some men get short changed as we women do. All im saying is when i look at the trade offs of my situation. The disadvantages for him and me outnumber the real benefits. But again this is my case, not at all tied to hedonism and promiscuity. It is reminiscent of women from the 20's and 30's when they had to marry out of social conditioning except today it is less imperative.
>>77955587
I would prefer none of those have children. Bringing people to this world and then proceed to be shitty to them and to make their lives shitty is not really something I'm for.
Also, we will never win the numbers game, and we're not supposed to as that is a big part of bringing healthy people into this world.
>>77956531
I can concede to that, but I'm arguing from the point of probability. If I am successful only 1-5% of the time when I'm trying to convince people, it's really not worth it. It might be in hindsight but you can't possibly now that beforehand, by definition.
>>77958485
know*
>>77957872
If you're appealing to darwinism - I'm pretty sure that altruism is an evolved behavior, that protecting one's own kind even at the cost of one's own life or in your case mere comfort, is regularly selected for by nature. I.e, the surviving relatives reproduce and carry on the line, thanks to your sacrifice.
I don't see how X% annual GDP growth helps you stay alive. Obviously a nation needs to be economically sustainable, I agree fully, but we're chasing ever more incremental increases in GDP these days at the expense of both our environment and our own wellbeing. When do we stop chasing growth?
Sometimes our society needs to see to the bigger picture and plan ahead. Being blinded by the concerns and rights of individuals will lead to this myopic train of lemmings we find ourselves in.
If that means that in a modern climate of birthcontrol, selfishness and atomization of the volk, we need to tax the rich to subsidize young couples and keep the birthrate artificially sustainable, so be it. Collectivism.
>>77958485
I bet noone is "redpilled" by any one argument or post on /pol/. But as we say in Sweden - many a small brook [create a river]. I wouldn't hold the opinions I do today if it weren't for the diligent memeing of internet raycists.
And I'd be a hypocrite if I blamed anyone for not preaching to others. I very rarely bother trying to reason with people. In some sense it's probably our duty, in the same way that having 2.1 kids is our duty. I tend to take a kindof deterministic or darwinian view of today's global problems though. Fatalistic perhaps.
I also 100% agree with you on quality over quantity when it comes to children. Can't outbreed kebabs.
>>77958110
Social conditioning may be what we need. It'd be pretty arbitrary to say that a 100% clearsighted/rational or even a significantly individualistic humanity could survive in the longterm. I think we need the bigger picture. The right incentives, propaganda perhaps.
I just want some milk from time to time. I don't want to become a dairy farmer.
>>77947340
Do what you want.
Why do you care what these shower of faggots think? Pol is for politics and keeping tabs on the Jews, not about getting advice on relationships.
>>77961484
>Social conditioning may be what we need. It'd be pretty arbitrary to say that a 100% clearsighted/rational or even a significantly individualistic humanity could survive in the longterm. I think we need the bigger picture. The right incentives, propaganda perhaps.
But don't you think we have too much social conditioning leading to bigotry? Where i come from there is no divorce. Also there is still a lot of stigma on broken families so i wouldn't be so hasty on deciding to sit my hubby down and speak my mind. However i do belive that people having a choice is a sign of progress. And yes it is unfortunate that most people make awful choices that affect everyone around them. But it is a form of evolution for society, a sort of social natural selection. I think instead os conditioning we need education and a moral compass. What we have now is imperfect but disruptions to status quo should be welcome to reevaluate the as-is and help plan out the to-be.
>>77963015
I would argue that freedom without certain constraints (provided by our environments in the past) inevitably leads to extreme permissiveness which in turn leads to social degeneration and subsequently the violent reaction of a panicking society, expressed in some form of fascism or another.
I also think that most of people's choices and opinions have little or no intrinsic value, but are just the products of random stimuli they've accrued throughout life. Whims informed by a random and chaotic environment. Atleast that's my view on democracy. The wider "marketplace of ideas" has more going for it.
I am also aware that my opinions are down to whim and probably largely uninformed.
If we impassionately see our societies as subject to natural selection, one might aswell argue that hardcore authoritarianism is just as natural a response as "openness".
I think authoritarian and free societies both are prone to corruption and concentrating power at the top.
Recently, more and more I think that maybe we are just incompatible with modernity.
>>77963015
You say that you are happy with your husband but want to split anyway? I don't understand your reasons.
And this natural selection of society you talk about, what about the natural selection our societies have already undergone? Through thousands of years.
The "bigotry" of frowning upon broken marriages, single mothers, homosexuality, racemixing etc. Surely those are evolution-wrought?
If nothing else, I think you should stick to your family until your kids move out anyway. Whole(some) families seem to produce better offspring than broken homes.
>>77947340
I'm not marrying or reproducing but for rational reasons. My genes would be a detriment.
>5'8"
>aspergers
>internet addict
>adhd
There's no way, my mind is constantly in a state of overdrive and, regardless, dating gives me anxiety attacks. I'm too in deep to just not browse the internet for 8+ hours a day for the sake of marriage, it's not happening.
>>77964824
True that very few opnions have value, in fact if no action is born out of them they are just moot, but the process of getting to any opinion is the valuable part. I completely agree on forms of government all being flawed. I think mainly because people are flawed and all subject to corruption. I am leaning towards automating government. People should not be running other people. I think we are quickly becoming irrelevant and obsolete. We need to make gigantic strides in mindset and work towards contributing. We have a long way to go as a society but i think we should keep at it. Many need to be led and that cannot be changed but we can change who leads. Unfortunately it has to have as little human intervention as possible.
>>77965411
Hmmm happy... conventionally... but yes that is the plan maybe i'll split after the kids turn 20 which is in 16 years. My husband and i have a lot of differences. Great when it was just us but troublesome when setting up ground rules on child rearing. Also i find myself in a position where i need to contradict my personal beliefs. Very hard, as i am recognizing i have too many opinions. Lol.
>>77963015
I also used to think education and rational and honest discussion about everything could solve our problems but I've given up on that. Having people genuinely believe they'll burn in hell for adultery or sodomy or whatever seems much more effective than "don't cheat or homosex guys, it's not conducive to the smooth operation of society. Also, have 2.1 children".
>>77965627
Surely you are kidding m8. 5'8 is probably about average. Height is not a huge deal where I am from, afaik. Maybe I just don't notice as a 6'0.5 vertically privileged shitlord. I am bad socially but improved a lot after getting a job and getting out a little. I used to be horrible. If not for modern medicine I'd probably be dead from appendicitis or blind on one eye from an iris infection. ADHD is a bullshit diagnosis.
Work out and get a job, you'll feel much better about yourself because you'll infact become much better. It's true.
>>77966023
As the autisté I probably am, I kinda like that idea.
>>77954632
Welcome to /pol/, faggot. Lurk moar.
>>77965627
I have the same poster from the same disc, my walls are the same color, I have a similar computer and I think I have that butt image saved somewhere. Are you spying me anon?
>>77966985
Oh yeah that's part of what kills me. I am not a believer of heaven or hell. An afterlife maybe... anyway my husband is religious so i gotta conform and my kids well... i have to keep this secret at least in the next 16 yrs. Meanwhile i am very interested in GaaS. Government as a service.
I'm 24 and a half now. I genuinely do not see a wife or children in my future. A lot of shitty diseases float around in my genetics, and I've never had much luck with women.
It's important to remember that all men (and women) that didn't have kids still contributed to civilization in their own tiny ways. We are all disposable at the end of the day, so I figure I might as well cut my losses and find other ways to do some good in this life. I can still get some juice out of the orange of life, in other ways.
>>77968103
Very responsible. Agree with ur view.
>>77950860
I find country girls kinda nice
any large town or city girls are usually shit-tier i ended up going out with some bulgarian girl now for 3 years as every girl i know in this town is nignog wanabees.
