Is hate speech real?
>>77780549
no
The real test of free speech is hate speech. If hate speech isnt free, then no speech is free.
speech is a human right. saying hate speech isn't free speech is the same as saying mean people aren't people.
No, there's no reliable way to define it. Countries with strict hate speech laws do not enforce it and mainly use it against political targets.
Many mainstream religions and their books would fall under hate speech laws if it wasn't enforced selectively.
>>77780549
yes
calling somebody a racist is hate speech
No one cares about speech that everyone agrees with. Saying the grass is green is unlikely to ruffle any feathers.
"Hate speech" if it exists, is speech that should be the most defended.
What are you, some pro-skub supporter?
>>77780549
Hate speech is subjective.
>>77780549
>Is hate speech real?
hahahaha,,, no
>>77780549
If this were real leftists would all be jail.
>>77780549
Ask yourself the question "how is hate speech defined"; it'll make the answer to your own question obvious.
>>77780549
What if I feel that that poster is hate speech, to me?
"Hate speech" is a fucked concept, if there is that, then there is no free speech.
as a dirty leftist i believe that we must protect free speech, especially hate speech. that being said, there's a difference between hate speech and specifically inciting people to violence.
>>77782327
Yeah? Wanna differentiate them?
If I say "I want all the xenos to be killed", and someone kills all the xenos, in what way could I possibly coherently be held accountable?
>>77782597
there's a huge difference between "i want all the xenos dead" and "you all should go kill these xenos"
>>77783229
That being what exactly?
>>77781184
No you dumb faggot, try reading some law or history sometime
>>77780549
I agree with that poster. It would mean feminists and SJWs would no longer be able to spout their bullshit.
>>77783358
the first appears to be a general statement with no actual intent on follow through while the other could be seen as some sort of collusion between you and the person spoken too to commit murder.
>>77783648
So someone says "kill yourself" in an online conversation. The person saying that has the intent and belief that you ought to kill yourself?
Or make it more explicit. "I'm gonna kill you faggit". That guy has the intent to kill you by mere virtue of saying words? *Really*? You got a crystal ball bro? You can read people's minds?
The only thing you can judge in this fucking world is actions. You're existentially incapable of judging the intent of other minds.
>>77783360
Did you forget that the whole point of rebelling and starting a new country was that the law was kind of shit?
Hate speech is the only time free speech matters. Nobody censors something they want to hear.
>>77783938
you do realize that intent is one of the main things that help get people convicted right? the police dont have crystal balls. as it turns out people are actually fairly good at reading intent.
>>77783360
Wat. The only "hate speech" that is illegal is if it's threatening for violence. You can say mean things about someone all you want as long as it's not a potentially physical threat.
>>77780549
Hate speech is speech the Jews hate.
Simple as that.
Of course hate speech is real but it's just speech caused by emotional reaction. To give it a label is insipid.
>>77784053
There is no way to judge real intent in this world. A person who confesses to a murder, says they did it out of rage fueled anger, for revenge, for money, for *ANY REASON* could be completely 100% lying and you'd never be able to tell. You are *existentially incapable* of judging other people's intentions.
>>77783360
I see a lot of words, but no arguments.
>>77780549
Does it matter? Speech is speech. No ifs ands or buts. Plus anyone how buy's in to that crap is guilty of doing it.
>>77784206
and yet we do it constantly. reality seems to disagree with you.
>>77784364
And you'll never be necessarily correct. Not a single time. You are existentially incapable. You'll make wrong judgements, again and again, and you'll never know. You'll be a thin-skinned scared worthless walking corpse all the while.
Speech that directly calls for unlawful violence is probably the best definition I've heard, but that's a lot more narrow and a lot more egalitarian than what the left wants.
It also makes antifa and revolutionary socialism illegal, which is hilarious.
free speech is trigger speech?
>>77784464
meh. seems to do just fine right now. no one seems to complain about it.
>>77780549
"Hate Speech" is just another word the Jews made up.
Let's find the JOO (Jew of Origin).
>>77784620
>no one seems to complain about it
Yeah, no one ever complains when other retards make objectively false judgements about states of affairs they never experienced. Yeah totally.
>>77784705
well feel free to let me know when you perfect a better system than the world currently uses. meanwhile i'll be here in reality where we have shit to do.
>>77785129
Already got one.
“Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’”
Hope you come to Christ. Peace late wrongo-bongo.
>>77780549
Jim should die in a fire.
Not hate speech.
Jim being an Eskimo, should die in a fire.
Hate speech.
What they are really saying is you aren't free to say bad things about protected groups.
Individuals and privileged groups you can hate as much as you want.
All white men should die in a fire.
Perfectly accepted.
>>77785249
>better system
>let everyone murder whoever they want
ok, buddy.
>>77781184
This is what my dad told me when I was growing up
>>77785323
‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’
Don't have to lift a hand senpai. Justice will be done, inevitably and with absolutely perfect accuracy and righteousness.
Try not to burn eternally in hell!
>>77785491
>thinks humans cant judge the intent of other humans and thus all laws should be abolished.
>thinks an imaginary friend who hasnt been heard of for thousands of years will fix everything.
you know, sometimes i try to talk to tripfags and you all just keep reminding me why its a horrible fucking idea.
>>77785656
>imaginary friend
Not more imaginary than everything you base your life on senpai.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
Have fun suffering!
>>77785734
actually it's way more imaginary then everything we perceive and interact with.
>>77783648
People say "I'm going to kill you" all the time when they get upset. If you are mad you want to say something that is bad to say so you say something extreme like "I will rape your face" but that doesn't mean you will actually do that. Nobody should be arrested for something like that. It really isn't about speech as much as planning. If someone has very specific plans laid out about attacking someone that is very different from just saying "You guys should kill this person."
>>77785916
D e l u s i o n
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
>>77786027
>huurrr according to my retarded thought exercise nothing can be real.
>well now that im a colossal faggot and nothing is real lets go walk through some walls.
oh odd, you cant walk through walls, faggot? hrmm maybe thats because walls are real, unlike your imaginary friend.
Yes.
It's anything the people who make the rules don't like.
>>77786293
>huurr I have the reading comprehension and philosophical education of your average nigger layman
>well now that I've demonstrated my retardation and inability to read content more difficult than "shemale porn here!" your imaginary sky fairy is debunk lmao
L e l
Totalitarians renamed thoughtcrime 'hate speech' and thought we wouldn't notice.
>>77786427
i can read just fine. your lack of an argument is cute. try giving me a real reason why i shouldnt believe the food im eating is real but should wait for some imaginary guy written in a book thousands of years ago to solve all my problems?
Why is this thread mostly Americans bickering about shit? America doesn't have hate speech laws and never will. If the KKK can march by a Jewish neighborhood with anti-semitic signs, then it isn't happening here.
Your ability to be openly racist, anti-Semitic, and bigoted is completely safe.
Hate speech is only hate speech if it's inciting violence and aggression. It is illegal to tell someone to kill someone, but critical speech shouldn't just be legal, it should be encouraged.
Ignore the leftists that'll try to redefine hate speech however they like.
>>77786525
/thread
/pithy
/perfect
>>77786580
No it isn't. With the rise of social media leftwing fascists can easily pressure others into doing what they want should a person speak against them loudly enough.
You need a powerful fucking lawyer to get away with that kind of stuff just to keep your head above water
Yes, any leftist speech is hate speech since it's resentful.
>>77786555
>i can read just fine
I really wonder what it is you're not getting then, if you can, in fact, read.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
Everything you believe about the world is entirely illogical at base. *Everything*.
>>77780549
When a word becomes a buzzword it means it stop having a real meaning
>>77786703
you seem to have failed at reading. or were you just to stupid to answer my question?
What the fuck is "hate speech." As opposed to what, "love speech"? It's orwellian language if you think about it.
>>77787273
The fact you can't understand incredibly straightforward philosophy is too indicative of intellectual dipshittery for me to give a fuck about your nigger-brain, inherited from you similarly low-IQ parents. BYE NII~
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/
>>77780549
No one ever said hate speech was free speech.
>>77780549
Hate speech is anti commie speech.
It's perfectly fine.
>>77781184
This. People offended by speech are scum. Very low energy. Sad!
What we know so far:
"Hate Speech" is a book written in 1995 by a Jew named David Slayden.
Hate Speech: http://archive.is/x5drk
David Slayden: http://archive.is/ooxgJ
>>77787472
oh i understand what he's saying. that doesnt make him right.
>>77780549
The day a hate speech bill is proposed in America is the day I write a letter to my congressman.
>>77780549
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
I HATE THIS I HATE THAT
BUT I LOVE FREEDOM
>>77787685
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THE SHEER IGNORANCE IS TOO GOOD. I'M OUT - YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVES OTHER THAN PIC RELATED AS A RAGING HOMOSEXUAL GAYTHEIST L A M O
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO JUSTIFY USE OF INDUCTION BY REASONING.
RIP IS STUPIDITY, FUCKTARD WHO TALKS SHIT ABOUT THINGS HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT
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>>77781184
I agree. But the law doesn't.
>Free speech only means things I like
I wish wannabe tyrants would just admit they didn't believe in freedom of speech.
"Hate Speech" is a variation of "Intolerance" from the Soviet Union.
>>77787852
>hurrrr i have no argument so im leaving
ok, faggot. have a nice day.
>>77780549
all speech is hate speech for autists who get offended by loud noises
>>77780549
Obviously hate speech is "real".
A white skinhead could say to a black man "IM GOIN TO LYNCH YOU NIGGER!"
to instill fear and target him racially
A Black Panther could say "IM GOIN TO SKIN YOU ALIVE HONKEY" to a white person for that same purpose
So its not a question of reality, but rather is hate speech free speech?
>>77780549
lol like how can hate speech be real nigga like close ur ears lol like stop listening nigga hahahahahahahaha
>>77788127
That's not "hate speech", those are threats and insults.
>>77788075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISq_y_WhKg
>>77780549
Hate speech isn't real solely due to the broad definition of which we classify "hate" as. For instance, if someone critiques a different point of view, and another one is offended and labels it as hate speech, what happens then?
>>77788196
That is hate speech.
the whole idea is you are making hateful comments on racially charged basis
my sample text encapsulates that
You can't change english when you dont agree with it.
>>77788396
> oy vey comrade
> it's "intolerance"
> back to the gulag
>>77780549
I hate when people say hate speech is real and its not free speech or whatever. Just because you say you find it hateful doesn't mean I do. In fact, I find it hate speech when you say you find it hate speech because you hate what I say so I hate what you say which makes it hate speech so everything we say is hate speech as long as someone hates what we are saying and doesn't think its free speech but hate speech.
>Everything is hate speech
>>77788439
i hate your memes
id much rather have some logical arguments, if youre capable of that sorta thing
>>77786358
>that stock
>>77788589
It depends on what your definition of is is.
>>77780549
Yes.
>>77789311
>>77789550
First laugh of the day, thanks.
>>77782597
Because whilst you've said "I WANT all the xenos to be killed," that's not inciting violence. Whereas if you had said to the person to killed the xenos, "hey, you, go kill those xenos," that would be inciting violence.
>>77784364
>We do something therefore we should do something.
In Canada it's real. Lots of stuff is real in Canada.
>>77790389
yeah that's actually how life works. we do something until we have a better thing to do. then we switch.
>>77780549
Only the word nigger was ever considered hate speech
>now any form of bullying falls under hate speech
This is the turning point of liberal insanity guys, this is where they start to eat each other.
>>77780549
If I had to put a definition to it I would consider it hate speech if its a direct threat or if it advocates to cause harm to someone. But I already know where the "if it advocates to cause harm to someone" could go in the future. so I would only classify direct threats into it
>>77782153
It's defined really simply. Hate speech is saying anything other than flattery about people who aren't white, male, straight, able-bodied, thin or cis.
>>77780974
>>77781184
Agreed
>>77780549
Hate speech doesn't exist here in the good ol' USA
>>77780549
Yes.
>Nintendo fans suck
Is hate speech.
I'm not sure the best option is to make it illegal though...
>>77780549
>It's real in their mind
>>77786427
>posting the one guy who was vehemently a non believer
>>77784364
FUCK OFF YOU DIRTY LIBERAL SCUM.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR CRISTIAN BOARD!!
YOUR PROGRESIVISM IS NOT NEEDED HERE!
>>77796002
>tfw want to see spic get crushed to death by two patriotic white booty babes.
>>77787852
>tripfags
Not even once.
Let me start by saying I don't agree with this idea that people are "secretly", "subconsciously" racist, or sexist. I know I'm not like that. I think progressives are projecting when they say shit like this. If you've ever spoken to someone who is actually racist, they're proud of it. They believe their race is superior, and / or they believe other races are inferior, and they openly admit it.
If someone says they're not racist, you should just take their word for it. To do otherwise is a strawman argument; you're trying to tell them what their own ideas are. You're putting words in their mouth. It's also just a weird, paranoid sort of thing to do; you believe that people have this "secret" hatred for others, and we're all just trying to repress it. Where are you getting that idea from? Maybe YOU'RE like that. I know I'm not.
Political correctness causes people to entertain this false accusation of "racism". For example, I agree with Trump that we should build a wall to keep illegal Mexican immigrants out, and temporarily ban Muslims until we have a better vetting / screening process. When I get called "racist" for this, I just don't entertain it at all, because I know it's not true.
Racism isn't a "secret idea" that people don't know they have in their heads, and conveniently, only the progressives know how to spot it. That's not how it works. This concept of accusing people of "racism" and "sexism", is no more valid than people in the 1600s accusing each other of being witches and warlocks. It's the same god damn thing. It's the modern equivalent. It's superstition.
So no. "Hate speech" isn't real. When I don't think it's a brilliant idea to just blindly let all the Muslims in without screening them, you don't get to label that "hate speech". This is just to get you to stop telling the truth, and stop talking about important issues, and take the time to respond to this false accusation instead.
>>77797917
Racism doesn't mean superiority these days. Racism today means anything that may be considered offensive to anyone (except whites).
>>77782243
>"Hate speech" is a fucked concept, if there is that, then there is no free speech.
I believe verbal abuse is a thing though
>>77781184
>>77797917
>Racism isn't a "secret idea" that people don't know they have in their heads, and conveniently, only the progressives know how to spot it.
>>77797917
I agree with greentext. But leftists are right there are "institutions" (not people) that perpetuate racism without many being aware of it.
So even if I agree you may not be racist in the psychological sense, sometimes you are coopted into a racist mechanism despite your own good will.
I am thinking bureaucratic apparatuses for example.
When the system is rigged, it's rigged. But I agree to take your words at face value when it comes to ideas. However, when your action is channelled by paperwork or external decision making, I urge youto understand you might be a puppet in an overall racist or discriminatory mechanism.
>>77780549
the left loudly attacks the second amendment, and quietly attacks the first.
>>77800069
Communists will never change.
You should have let McCarthy finish his job.
>>77780549
>and who decides what is hate speech?
>>77780549
>hate speech
>speech that attacks, threatens, or insults a person or group on the basis of national origin, ethnicity, color, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability.
The problem here is not the definition of hate speech but rather the definition of freedom. If you feel that you're being oppressed because you're not allowed to hurt other people, then you deserve oppression.
There's no truly free society since every community has a set of rules you have to follow.
Violent speeches are illegal in many counties.
It's not necesssary to make a special law.
It could help the govenment arrest anti-government activists.
Jokes might be treated as hate speeches.
>>77799748
This is true. White people are strongly discriminated against in the West at an institutional level. We do not enjoy many rights and privileges afforded to non-White people. White males even less so.
>>77781970
But what if the green grass identifies as blue? Don't be so foul
>>77783938
No you see, "I'm going to kill you fagit" is actually in response to someone else's speech. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
>>77787852
Jesus, what a faggot
>>77780549
there is no exception in free speech
'hate speech' is thoughtcrime
Hate speech could be a working concept in a culturally homogeneous country where some lone dumbass is dedicated to constantly stir up problems within the society and that could be used as an excuse to lock him up and throw away the key.
This however comes with its serious implications. In the societies we live in it's nothing more than censorship.
>>77787852
>cannot justify/argue the merits of the concept he keeps shitposting
>gets mad and leaves
>tripfaggot
checks out
>>77781184
This.
If you make legit hate speech that incites violence legal I think you should then decriminalize any potential response from the targeted group as long as no lethal force is used.
So let's say you preach KILL ALL NIGGERS in a public space and some nigger chimps out and punches you.
Well, talk shit get hit.
Same thing if some autistic tumblr feminazi is going around screaming KILL ALL WHITE MEN.
>>77780549
Epitome of ignorance, doesn't get any simpler with this bullshit
>>77787852
wow that philosophy 100 flowchart really made me think
