What's the difference between "libertarian" and "liberal"?
Libertarians are incredibly autistic while liberals only care about muh feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs
>>77716190
The yarmulke
>>77716190
nothing
both are retarded
>>77716190
One has a chance to win presidential elections.
The other are libertarians.
Geography
>>77716190
There are many varieties of american libertarianism.
Some advocate an anarcho-capitalist society(edge lords), some minarchism(edge lords), some localism(based motherfuckers), some social liberal/fiscally conservative(Gary Johnson) and at last constitutionalism(Rand Paul, Justin Amash).
>>77716411
>muh promotion of censorhip and silencing tactics
>muh media domination
>muh sugar daddy dictator, who controls my life
>>77716190
Libertarian is an extremist who wants you to be absolutely free. Liberal is a restrained libertarian.
>>77716190
Of couse it's worth to mention that socialists in the USA are called "liberals". I don't know why.
Liberals are left wing economically and socially
Libertarians are right wing economically and left wing socially
http://www.cato.org/libertarianmind/libertarian-quiz
>>77716190
none aside from using diferent methods of destroying society
Libertarian:
>Manbaby that erroneously believes he can maximize his utility better than government based on simplistic economic models that are wrong. He assumes this because he is a simple-minded monkey that needs simple models and heuristics to dogmatically apply in every situation. Uncertainty scares him.
Liberal:
>Acknowledges the reality of shades of grey and the fact that models are simply analogies for reality based on assumptions that often do not hold. Acknowledges the error that simple distribution algorithms lead to and has willingness to use progressive solutions to correct the error. Is not personally attached to any heuristic and is willing to discard them if they don't work.
>>77716190
Libertarians (at least the intelligent ones) recognize that egalitarianism is bullshit. They also don't want the state to force morality onto people, unlike liberals.
>>77716308
How do libertarians care about feels?
>>77716190
I believe that people should be able to do whatever they want, so long as they aren't fucking with anybody else's shit, but if you are fucking with somebody else's shit, you get your shit fucked with until you cut that shit out.
am I a libertarian?
>>77716411
memenatsoc detected
>>77718627
Check out this bitch niggas bait.
>>77719150
well fuck me, I guess I am.
>>77718627
>leaf
>>77716190
Libertarianism is what liberalism should be, by the definition of the word liberty. But modern liberalism is for less liberty.
It's why I hate people use "leftist" and "liberal" interchangeably. Modern leftists and not liberals, being a classic liberal is now a right-wing position, if you subscribe to that spectrum at all.
>>77718846
>reading comprehension
>>77716411
of course it's the fucking British cuck, whose government is sponsoring the mass immigration of pakis and censoring their Internet.
YES BRITAIN
>>77718627
gr8 b8 m8
>>77716190
Libertarianism is "classical liberalism" the belief that government should be decreased to protect personal freedom and offset this by having social contracts and "golden rule morality" instead of authoritarian government
Modern (((Liberalism))) is the belief that freedom is an obstacle to security from being offended and hurt, and that government should be increased to protect people from bad feelings and people who own scary objects
>>77717413
You've got it reversed. American liberals are called "socialist."
All black leather attire with the exception of those flame shirts
>>77718232
Hey man ! We have the same result...
But I find the quizz shitty honestly
>>77722588
Also : Right wing libertarianism is a thing u know ?
We don't have to be like liberal cucks !
>>77716190
Liberals are the ones fucking up America atm and Libertarians are divided in many groups, some including the ones who fight for freedom (in favor of all amendments and personal freedom), a less strict state control over the companies, and a more individualistic type of society without welfare and other bullshits.
If not noticable, Libertarian here
>>77722588
>>77722929
Right-libertarianism (or right-wing libertarianism) refers to libertarian political philosophies that advocate capitalist economics, negative rights, and a reactionary reversal of the modern welfare state.
>sounds good to me.
>>77716190
can someone post "dont step on snek" and "this is the exact opposite of what I requested"
>>77716190
Liberals are taken seriously
>>77716190
We libertarians neither need nor want input from others on what it is we are doing or what it is we want to do.
>>77718627
If you make money, you betray mother earth.
>>77716190
Libertarians are fascists in the making while Liberals are wannabe socialists that are too bourgeoisie to be actual socialists.
>>77716190
Libertarians know conservative values are superior but don't really give a fuck if degenerates do drugs, get AIDS, waste their money, and die in a gutter.
What libertarians don't realize is that when degenerates ruin their lives, they go whine to the government, and the government gets bigger.
Economics, mostly.
Liberal: Economic Left, Socially Authoritarian
Libertarian: Economic Right, Socially Libertarian
>>77724127
Couldn't have said it better
>>77723652
AnCaps =/= libertarians, retard.
Although there are some Anarchists in the Libertarian party (big L), they are different ideologies.
>>77724127
>gets bigger
until it doesn't
until something [i]else[/i] happens to it
>>77716190
Liberals are progressives manchild baby pieces of shit who think society owes them something
Libertarians are either leftwing, or rightwing, and have somewhat less extreme views of each side, usually.
>>77716190
>liberal: less govt. control of social issues (supposedly, except when it benefits them), more govt. control of economy
>libertarian: less govt. control of both social and economic issues
>>77724365
*tips fedora*
>>77724127
They are still free to degenerate their lives and according to the Libertarian view, the government should not give such groups special treatments because they are special sbowflakes, having laws that prevent such preference. If your government bends over and let the special snowflakes fuck you guys, its not our fault, its the lack of regulamentation of special giving aways such as welfare.
>>77724127
>when they whine to the govt. or us, we should just say you got what you deserved, stop fucking your life up. Now do you want me to give you a job? If not you can fuck off
>>77716190
Libertarian is an ideology dedicated to values of limited government and freedom and "liberal" is a term used to describe an archetype of people holding generally left-wing / socialist beliefs about society.
>>77724786
>Libertarians actually think that this is how the world works
>>77716308
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs [Remove]
Libertarianism is the idiotic belief that individuals are well informed enough to make decisions that affect everyone.
>>77716190
'Liberal' is used to indicate social liberalism
'Libertarian' is what used to be called economic liberalism or classic liberalism.
The term Liberalism has been butchered by the left and has no resemblance to its former meaning, hence the true liberals in the classical sense of the word had to rebrand and became libertarians.
Locke would turn in his grave if he saw what people now call 'Liberal'
>hfw
>>77724660
>liberals
>less govt
>>77720813
Nice coming from a Canadian.
>>77716308
>dat video
>answer the question
>"muh roads" he actually said it
>YOU WILL SIT DOWN
What the fuck? There's no way this is normal, everyday libertarianism...
>>77725196
Locke wouldn't like libertarians much either, considering that they usually think that a piece of paper should trump the will of the elected government.
>>77716190
There isn't one except most people who identify as Liberals in this country are actually Fabian Socialists.
The liberal shows at least some degree of consistency.
>>77716190
Libertarians want everyone to leave everyone else alone except for voluntary interactions.
Liberals want to make everyone equal by robbing the rich to give to the poor.
>>77716190
Wiki:
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.
Was that so hard to look up that you had to start a new thread?
>>77725379
This. I would not call strict constitutionalism "Liberal, or Libertarian". It is its own form of political revanchism in the Conservative ideology that seeks to undo change by appealing to prior tradition.
The US Constitution was always supposed to be a living document in the Classically Liberal sense. In that it would be changed by each generation to suit that generations needs and desires. A Liberal would argue that the Constitution is out of date and needs some heavy duty amending. A Libertarian would argue we don't need a Constitution at all.
>>77725740
>liberty and equality
>Liberalism
top kek
>>77725046
False. No one is claiming that individuals are well informed. Libertarians believe that people should be allowed to make decisions on their own. Even if the decisions affect other people and despite the fact that people are not well informed.
In Europe, nothing. In the US, a lot.
There isn't one. Liberalism is libertarianism evolved.
>>77725379
>piece of paper
you better not be talking about the constitution, you statist whore.
>>77725529
>The liberal shows at least some degree of consistency
consistently delusional.
>>77716190
How many of them it takes to screw in a light bulb.
None. The state will do it.
vs.
None. The market will do it.
>>77725866
The word has been hijacked into oblivion. I refuse to call them liberals. I call them exclusively leftists, socialists, Marxists, or SJWs, but NEVER liberals. Join me in my quest to regain liberty, brothers.
>>77725877
>Even if the decisions affect other people
As long as the decision doesn't infringe or hurt people's property.
>>77725711
That is Socialism, not Liberalism. Liberalism believes in a society of equal chance, if not equal outcome. What you call "Robbing the rich", a Liberal calls taxation to fund public schools so that literacy is universal rather then something only rich people do to perpetuate static economic stratification.
>>77725866
Exactly, liberalism is one of the most contradictory philosophies ever. Egalitarian and libertarian societies are mutually exclusive.
>>77725941
Read some Locke and then get back to me. Libertarianism is joke compared to real classical liberalism.
Some nyance difference but practically synonyms.
>>77726137
Its because its a blanket term that applies to a whole spectrum of independent philosophies. Market Liberals are very different to Progressive Liberals. Both are called Liberals however.
I blame high school Left v. Right civics education for this problem. Its a common fallacy of the human brain to think it terms of opposites. Black, white. Good, Bad. Healthy, Unhealthy. Its a very useful evolutionary trait for a omnivorous animal like humans. These berries taste good, those berries will kill you. That animal is good prey, that animal you run away from.
When we try and apply this cognitive thought process to Politics however, it breaks down. Because politics is always a study in contradictions, variable outcomes, compromise and diversity.
In politics, the Berry is poisonous. Except when its not.
>>77726428
Nuance*
>>77726126
>schools will only be for the rich
There will be a demand for education, and a business will take advantage of that and sell it to the poor. That's simple economics.
Besides, the current system is flawed because you pay for (other people's) school for the rest of your life through taxation.
>>77726574
Addendum: there will be competition from schools, which will lead to cheaper prices to attract the most consumers.
Framing libertarianism as being "economically conservative and socially liberal" misses the entire point. Libertarianism is about people working together voluntarily for mutual benefit, and seeks to expand this to as many spheres of society as possible. This sort of cooperation is the driving force behind civilization itself. Government should facilitate this, not trample on it as is done in pretty much every government to varying extents.
>>77725046
This is because on both the right and the left governmental solutions are sought out first for every problem. This guts civil society and the ability of societies to develop voluntary nongovernmental solutions because the populace delegates to the political class who delegates to the bureaucratic class.
Necessity would change this. What would all those liberals do if they couldn't endlessly petition for governmental action? They'd seek to achieve their goals via private means, which are things like employee owned companies and co-ops and nonprofit charities. Well, some of them at least. But then they wouldn't be liberals - they'd be libertarians.
What would people do if we had a minimal government and they couldn't vote for free food, bread, or social engineering? They'd get to work. Politicians are fundamentally useless attention whores, and politics at large is a brain drain that distracts from real problem solving.
>>77726574
Except that's not what happened in the past.
>What's the difference between "libertarian" and "liberal"?
"Libertarian" is newspeak for liberal.
>>77726574
This is not true. Look at the variation of outcome at the collegiate level, or in communities with shitty tax bases. The term "you get what you pay for" is very much force majeur. Sure, there will be "Schools for the poor". And they will invariably suck.
>>77726860
I would argue that if the schools will be shitty, people will enroll their kids in a school that is better. The shitty school will either fail, or will be forced to have similar quality to its competitors.
>>77724127
That is why libertarians are constitutionalist. Doesn't matter how many people whine when the power of government is constitutionally limited.
>>77727142
>implying that a democratically elected government won't try to appease its citizens regardless of the constitutional restrictions on its power
There's a reason why libertarians usually evolve into authoritarian proto-fascists like Hoppe.
>>77726807
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried
>>77727107
Except we have just established that people have different economic outcomes. So they won't be able to afford better schools.
>>77727356
>real free market education has never been tried
Really?
>>77716308
Im pretty sure Nat Socs and the alt right are the autistic ones. Libertarians are just rednecks that like to smoke pot and dont have a problem with gay marriage.
>>77727339
limited democracy would be the best option for a libertarian state.
Such as only land owning white males can vote.
>>77716190
When i someone mentions Liberalism i think of California. When someone mentions Libertarianism i think of Alaska.
>>77716190
....one post by user.
>I hate you all
>>77727878
meme (meme) (((meme)))
>>>>>>>one post by this meme
>>77718627
>>77727432
You said that it didn't happen in the past, and I replied that we should try it. I'm probably misunderstanding you.
>>77727405
As I said, businesses will compete , and people will choose the one with the best programs to price ratio.
>>77728167
The basic premise of which is that there are no competitive forces at play and the education market just exists in a vacuum.
Except this is not the case. The vast majority of children in public education have parents who are unable to pay any taxation towards that education as all their income is eaten up solely by rent.
In a perfectly free economy, they would prioritize their expenditure and just pay rent. The kids would get no schooling at all, because no for profit industry (as education would be in a perfectly free market) does things for free.
liberals want freedom through help from the government
libertarians want freedom through less government
>>77726860
>Sure, there will be "Schools for the poor". And they will invariably suck.
They'll suck less when they don't have to double as a mini-penitentiary. One place will specialize in poor kids with a willingness to learn, another will specialize in future convicts.
A dysfunctional mix of both can only be created through a government monopoly.
Libertarian thinks you know what's best for you.
Liberal thinks they know what's best for you.
>>77716190
where my Georgist libertarians at?
>>77728391
>The kids would get no schooling at all, because no for profit industry (as education would be in a perfectly free market) does things for free.
Profit industry doesn't encompass everything - there's still charitable organizations, which actually have to compete between each other for donors.
>>77729389
why is charity always the go too excuse for getting rid of taxes.
>>77728391
These parents will have to find a job and work hard to pay for their kids education. It's entirely possible.
If they absolutely can't find a job, there are charity organizations that can help them. They can ask for friends or family for help. That's what was done in the past.
You're right, it's their choice to not send their children to school, but I'm pretty sure most parents would want to send their kids anyways because they want them to be educated.
>>77716190
>libertarian: you have no right to claim the wealth or property of others
>liberal: I have the right to claim the wealth or property of others
MUH ROADS
>>77729218
god tier
>>77726797
>government (govern: to control. ment: mental, mind), an agent of force and coercion, should facilitate voluntarism
:^)
my sides
>>77729535
Liberals confirmed for alpha.
>>77729504
It was done in the past before the New Deal.
What's difference between "Libertarian" and "anarcho-capitalism" ?
>>77729778
Yeah and it was not at all sufficient.
>>77727652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_toYr_Hcdo
>>77729504
Because it's better in every way. Poor people get free shit, but it's limited by how much others are willing to spare for the specific cause (no spending $50 billion on third world mudshits, while your own elderly go hungry) and the providers of any service face actual competition and consequences for fucking up.
>>77716190
>>77729829
In libertarian society, people will voluntarily join groups/brotherhoods to help each other. It will be sufficient until you get a job. Then, you can help the other poor people when you have a job yourself. It's all voluntary, nobody's forced to do anything.
>>77716190
That flag is a microaggression.
Pick up that can.
Libertarians think you should be able to survive without some government assholes stealing your money. They think that we could, in theory, all act like adults and have a system that doesn't require rape-force tactics by the feds, IRS, etc in order to achieve what man really desires: freedom. Freedom from the slavery of government.
>>77729799
Anarcho-capitalists are principled libertarians.
>To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served. He recognizes no national goal except as it is the consensus of the goals that the citizens severally serve. He recognizes no national purpose except as it is the consensus of the purposes for which the citizens severally strive.
>The free man will ask neither what his country can do for him nor what he can do for his country. He will ask rather "What can I and my compatriots do through government" to help us discharge our individual responsibilities, to achieve our several goals and purposes, and above all, to protect our freedom? And he will accompany this question with another: How can we keep the government we create from becoming a Frankenstein that will destroy the very freedom we establish it to protect? Freedom is a rare and delicate plant. Our minds tell us, and history confirms, that the great threat to freedom is the concentration of power. Government is necessary to preserve our freedom, it is an instrument through which we can exercise our freedom; yet by concentrating power in political hands, it is also a threat to freedom.
/pol/ can't possibly disagree with this
>>77723495
>>77730689
exactly, and in a slightly edgy way, without so much healthcare/cops etc people might understand life and vitality a bit more. bigger gambles, less rotting in front of gameshows in a nursing home waiting for a euthanasia bill to pass.
>fascists hating on libertarians to look cool
kek
>>77716190
It's simply the americans that have made everyone confused with their weird use of words, where other words are aldrady in place to describe those things that the new words do.
A libertarian is an anarchocapitalist, most likely also a yuppie.
A liberal (not to be confused with what the word "liberal" actually refers to) is someone who wants everything that has to do with value policies to be allowed - even though when it comes to financial policy they are usually quite left winged
>>77726534
Very nicely put.
Have some gold, stranger!
>>77716190
I am a libertarian I'll tread on who, it or what I fucking want
>>77720863
>American liberals are called "socialist."
Liberal are routinely mislabeled "socialist" by manipulative right-wing conservatives as part of a propaganda smear campaign against the left.
It's not really true, but the disinformation campaign has been so successful that million of feeble-minded cons have fallen for it.
>>77717826
pretty good answer
>>77716190
Liberal = statist
Libertarian = anarchist
Conservative = balance between the above
At least, those are what the modern makeup of today's parties are like.
>>77718846
>pretending to be intellectualy superior
>cannot understand a simple sentence
>>77716190
Depends.
If you use the autistic faggot definition of "liberal" in the US, then liberalism is all about cuckold men licking their own assholes.
Srsly: "Liberal" as it is used in the US is just another word for "Socialism".
If you're an awesome European however and therefore superior to Amercian sub-humans, spotting the difference betweend "liberal" and "libertarian" is a bit more difficult... if you're a retard who's unable to use Google that is.
Liberals embrace liberty AND equality.
While American liberals are more concerned about equality and don't care about liberty at all (fucking commies), European liberals tend to strive for an equilibrium between the two.
Depending on the preference, you have classical liberalism (more focused on liberty), social liberalism (more focused on equality) and other sub-categories.
Libertarism derives from classical liberalism, but it went full retard and nowadays it's just sucking its own cock while screaming "LIBERTY!!! FUCK THE STATE!!!".
>tl;dr
American liberals are socialists and therefore faggots.
Libertarians are mentally challenged special snowflakes.
European liberals are the Herrenrasse
>>77716190
libertarians are all about liberty, their "I think gay couples should have guns to protect their weed farms" meme is becoming real (see weed legalization in America, Milo Yiannopoulos and #shootback)
liberals are people who think the US Constitution should be interpreted liberally, they've basically turned the Democratic Party in communists
>>77716190
What's the difference between "atheist" and "theist"?
>>77717826
Wow US and A was built upon left-wing social and economical ideas!
>>77723652
there is nothing wrong with what is happening in that image
>>77730290
And if there's no volunteers?
>>77738206
>American liberals are socialists and therefore faggots.
You fell for the right-wing smear job against liberals.
Congratulations, you're a retard!
>>77716190
All your shitposting gives me dubs
Go!
