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Why arent you a Mormon?
>the book of morons
>gimme half your money and you can have ten wives
only civil war-era retards fell for that scam
>>77647702
I'm catholic
>>77647856
>hating on LDS
Sup reddit
>>77647702
because mor(m)ons believe retarded shit like JWs or any other cult
>>77647702
I'm not a heretic.
>>77647702
Just think religion and cults are a huge waste of time. Have fun though.
Mormons more likely to marry, have more children than other U.S. religious groups
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/22/mormons-more-likely-to-marry-have-more-children-than-other-u-s-religious-groups/
Mormons also tend to have more children than other groups. Mormons ages 40-59 have had an average of 3.4 children in their lifetime, well above the comparable figure for all Americans in that age range (2.1) and higher than any other religious group. Overall, Mormon adults have an average of 1.1 children currently living at home, nearly double the national average (0.6).
>>77647702
>Literally a religion built around American/White Nationalism
>Anti-degeneracy
>Originally anti-nignog, got cucked
>10 wives
I can dig it, go on.
They tend to be largely anti-American in private. I have no problem with them if they stay in their little enclaves in the Midwest.
>>77647702
Why are you? There's so many gods out there, and you chose this one?
Q: What is the difference between a Mormon and a Scientoligist?
A: ~150 years.
>>77648349
>anti-jew
:^)
There are mormons who live right across the road from me. Nice family, get on well with them, but they adopted 3 blacks girls 2 years ago and pay for them to go to school. I dunno if they're legally their kids or if they're just helping them get an education or what but seems like cuckery
>>77648549
Mormon girls are usually qt's too
Ask a white male with a mixed black gf who's culturally mormon and wants 6 kids with me anything bros
>>77647702
Because temples aren't needed. Your temples aren't temples, anyway
I dont belive in memes unironically
>>77647702
Because it's literally shit.
>>77648665
The magic of inbreeding
>>77647702
desu, a choice between the book of mormon and the koran, is no choice at all.
at least you people are happy and civilised.
rock on...
Impractical religion with impractical doctrines. Also from what I know about mormonism, it just sounds like a cult.
>>77648035
>hurr durr rebbit
it's the jehovah's witness scam.
>they were cousins
you can spot this bullshit from a mile away.
only intense beta faggots believe in that shit.
I was invited to the church/temple whatever, went and was approached by two missionaries. I said I wanted to just observe and they asked to sit next to me.
I met with them in my house a few times after that. Seemed like nice people but then they started calling/texting at all hours of the day, asking if I would go to the next church, asking to come over again.
It went on like this for some time. I told them I needed time for reflection. Then I told them to leave me alone. I almost needed to tell them I was going to call the police.
That was my experience with Mormons.
>>77648917
hey raj, i'm pretty sure they have flush toilets in canada...
>>77648917
Very progressive of you that youre making space for the Quran.
I would convert to Mormonism and marry a QT Mormonfu but I can't buy the theology for a second. At least with Christianity there is a millennia veil of tradition and mystery to grab the attention of people having an existential crisis.
>>77649189
Yeah. Our missionaries can be very enthusiastic.
>>77649189
>That was my experience with Mormons.
Pretty much the same.
As a kind of social experiment I tried to see just how many religions would send me one of their bibles for free.
The Mormons sent missionaries instead.
On the other hand the Heebs sent nothing.
>>77649350
Atleast i have a reason to fuck my cousin
>>77647702
because i'm a christian
>>77649332
You should watch what you should say in your Sharia Law zone, Achmed.
>Mormons claim to have Golden Plates
>won't ever submit golden plates for scientific plates
>prattle on about "muh witnesses"
>clearly these fucking plates don't exist and they have no retort
I have offered every Mormon misisonary I've met to provide proof of these plates and I will immediately join their church. None of them have taken me up on it.
Remember kids, Mormons are con artists.
>>77649464
>implying Brits need one
>>77649384
Is it true that Mormons exploit lonely men by assigning them with Mormon women missionaries?
>>77649350
Join for the anti-degeneracy, brah. Every other religion is cucking themselves hardcore right now. My head was spinning when I heard southern baptists were going full-retard and dropping the confederate flag 'cause it offended some niggers.
>>77647702
I'm already a moron
>>77647702
Because like Islam, your religion was founded by a child rapist.
>>77649517
>Orkney islands
>Sharia zone
>>77649171
How are JWs a scam
You sound like you have no clue about anything
Mormonism is a cult.
I know because I was raised a Jehovah's Witness which is also a cult
>>77647702
What would I have to gain from that? I can't even get 1 girl and you're telling me it's okay to get more than 1? Stop making fun of me, kikelord
>>77649565
Lol. No. They don't let female missionaries anywhere near males
>>77649673
Nah, not really. Just a meth head in a barn.
>>77649565
If it happens, it's accidental. I've never heard of it intentionally happening.
>>77649756
No, they do. My sister in law taught males on her mission.
>>77647702
>2016
>believing in the spiritual jew
>>77649685
>United Cuckdom
>not a sharia law zone
Seriously Achmed you're going to provoke the caliph's wrath
because they're sheltered cucks who support immigration.
every week in sacrament meeting they go on and on about how women are perfect and men don't deserve women.
>>77649741
No, it's not. We dropped polygamy way back when. The FUNDAMENTALIST Latter Day Saint folk still practice polygamy, though. They branched off from us a while ago.
>>77649881
Atleast we're the final chapter.
>>77647702
Recycled Gnosticism
Although there are important differences between ancient Gnosticism and Mormonism, the similarities are striking. They both replace biblical Christianity with a very elaborate set of legends and esoteric teachings found, for Mormons, in the fanciful tales of The Book of Mormon and the teachings of Joseph Smith.
Like some ancient Gnostics, Mormons believe in the preexistence of souls, a doctrine contrary to Scripture and condemned by the Church at the Fifth Ecumenical Council, Constantinople II in 553. The secrecy of the temple rites of Mormonism is a parallel to the secret knowledge of ancient Gnosticism.
However, Mormonism differs from ancient Gnosticism in one major way. Gnosticism considered the physical world so evil that many Gnostics denied the Incarnation, teaching instead that Christ only seemed to have a physical body (a doctrine called Docetism). The Latter Day Saints, on the other hand, exalt matter over spirit, believing that matter is eternal.
Although the Scriptures teach that God is spirit (John 4:24), the Latter Day Saints believe that God has a body of flesh and bones. Indeed, they believe that the god of this world is an exalted man who became a god. Finally, they believe that by following the beliefs and practices of the Mormon religion, they too may become gods ruling over their own worlds.
>>77649932
They sound based as fuck though. Are they still anti-nig nog?
>>77649696
Kind of felt like a cult when I went to go check their temple out.
It was interesting going in there, felt like 1940s america, which felt damn good. Can't stomach shelling out 10% of my income to them though. I'd have to be setup with some sex goddess mormon baby maker before I'd loose enough sense to go with them.
>>77649898
Yeah. Won't lie, I hate that. Really, really wish we'd leave it at building charities in their countries, instead of dumping them in ours and expecting their behavior to magically improve.
>>77649932
All of your females just go for Chad
>>77649898
What state are you in.
>>77649932
You're not really helping your cause.
You're admitting to being an apostate among apostates.
>>77647702
Most of my mormon friends live in big happy families. My non-mormon friends say it's all a show they put on to others. Who is right?
Also, can Mormons marry non-Mormons?
>>77649696
JW is the closest thing to actual Christianity, leaf
>>77650003
They could be. Must confess I don't know too much about them. I was happy to learn we didn't give nig-nogs the priesthood until 1978, so at least a decade and a half, or around there, after the Civil Rights Act.
>>77650099
Meh. I tell the truth, so far as I know it.
>>77649887
I know, im trying not to get arreseted. i have three plastic spoons and if im caught ill be in for life.
>>77650107
Mormons CAN marry non-mormons, but it's very much advised against. We don't have a stance against race-mixery, but we do discourage religion-mixery.
>>77649979
im glad sharia will kill you first
>>77650047
mormon central. Utah mormons are a different breed but they're definitely the heart and soul of the church.
>>77649565
when i went if we were teaching a woman we weren't allowed to go in the house unless there was an adult male present.
>>77650224
Even when it's with Christians
KINDERHOOK PLATES
He literally got exposed for s fraud
Bringam young said people live on the moon and sun
Garden of eden is in Missouri lol
Satan and Jesus are Brothers according to your fan fic
A book smith owned had the samd plot as the jaredites
Absolutely zero archeology record for three societies who had battles where millions died
Things like horses elephants steel wheel and lots of other things that never existed in America
The use of mistranslation KJ words
In a book supposedly thousands of years old
The french word adeu
The egyptian paprys hoax lol
There are millions of reasons to reject your hearsay.
I understand you want a tribe but dont go to hell for good earthly company
I don't believe man can become gods. That is the first lie told to Eve in the bible and brought death into the world.
>>77647702
>Why arent you a Mormon?
the book of abraham
>>77650301
Even if it's Christians, that is correct. One of our Apostles (don't remember which one) advised that Lutherans marry Lutherans, Catholics Catholics, Mormons mormons, and so on. Peace in the home, united front and what not.
>>77647702
I was Mormon for about 25 years.
>>77650306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e370GUVRlQo
>>77647702
Because religions are a mechanism to control and guide the populace, keeping the stupid from fucking killing themselves and the rebellious from destroying the foundation everyone built upon.
I've no use for any of that. If anything, I'd start my own religion or at worst become a preacher or a pastor.
>>77647702
Because it's heresy.
>>77650107
Nobody gives a shit unless youre in a really religious family.
>>77650393
If you do, just make sure it's not a degenerate religion. We have way too many religions cucking themselves right now as it is.
whats the deal with saying Jesus lives in America or had lived in America?
>>77647702
I was one, my family is still Mormon. They see themselves as neo-Jews. I respect them but don't believe in their shit. Also they aren't polygamists anymore that is only the FLDS down in central & southern UT.
>American """""""religions"""""""
kek, you lads can fuck right off. Take your shite cult with ya
>>77647702
heresy
>all this talk about magical underwear but no one is asking OP to reveal the secrets of his time machine
Because I'm not a heretic?
I'm, not a traitor to my country.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Mormon_War
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War
Mormons deserve as much hate a muslims.
>>77650224
>>77650403
If a non-mormon does marry a mormon, will they spend their entire time trying to get you to convert?
>>77650585
There's a time machine? I bet it's hidden in the Salt Lake temple
>>77650509
They believe he visited the Americas during his resurrection.
>>77650393
>religions are a mechanism to control and guide the populace
thats why many religions make people drop out of society including early christianity.
this argument has always been an appeal to ignorance.
>>77650711
Yes
>>77650509
Third Nephi. We believe Christ visited this continent after his Resurrection to teach the people then on this continent temporarily. Long enough to set up a Church that would go apostate and end in a big-time civil war, with whitey (the nephites) going extinct 'cause they became too degenerate to defeat the modern day injuns when outnumbered.
>>77649987
Agreed although they repeat the first lie by the serpent in the Bible. That man can become gods.
>>77650121
If you enjoy being shunned by your family for not wanting to attend meetings anymore, be my guest.
>>77648471
In all seriousness; don't Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same god?
>>77647702
Hasa Diga Eebowai cucklad
>>77650573
Jesus is american.
>>77650711
Probably. We believe eternal life is only acquired in the Temple, and only mormons can marry in the Temple, so yes, they'll want you to convert your whole life.
>>77649519
But anon an angel took the plates up to heaven after Joseph Smith finished 'translating' them, now they are on gods coffee table, which he never uses for coffee because its against the Mormon health code. Everyone knows this.
>>77650868
Why do your women seem so fake? No one is that nice
>>77650822
No. In the Old Testament, the First of the Ten Commandments was "Thou shalt put no other Gods before me, for I God am a jealous God." Hence, there are multiple gods, or there would be no reason for this commandment. Christian God is the Best God though.
>>77649673
You do know god knocked up Mary when she was 12. So yeah if your Christian then you worship a pedophile.
>>77648445
>Utah
>Midwest
>>77650792
Dude answer me you cultist
KINDERHOOK PLATES nigga
Or the paprys scandals lol
Become a Evangelical and join a close church drop the satan Masonic bs
>>77650854
He's an anchor baby.
>>77650972
Pffft, heck if I know. Some are probably fake.
>>77650976
>manipulating a verse this much
Get out
>>77650822
Not at all they lay out completely different cosmology and teachings
>>77650693
that was 150 years ago. the church now operates as a corporation, not as a means to obtain harems like it was back then.
>>77650585
I will reveal the secret. Get into bed, Do meth.
I had two Mormons come by my apartment last year trying to talk about Mormonism and what not. Seemed like nice people. One was a fat asian(probably the OP) the other was some average white guy.
Have you seen the book of Mormon musical? It's actually very good.
All in all, I like Mormons . They seem like great people
>>77651072
What's to manipulate? It says it pretty starkly.
>>77649519
>>Mormons claim to have Golden Plates
>>won't ever submit golden plates for scientific plates
What the fuck you on about, what Mormon has said these plates are being hidden
>>77651130
False gods.
because Mormons are LITERALLY American Muslims.
>>77648526
Scientology uses psychological tactics to make you feel good so you keep coming back and then they extort you for money. It's why they're against psychiatry... Because it would uncuck the follower. LDS is culty for sure, but at least they believe in Jesus. Great people too. Scientologists are just fags.
>>77649898
Mormons used to support migration, now its against the church to do it, supposed to "build up Zion in your own lands" (Zion is just Mormon speak for Mormon communities)
Joseph Smith said that Christs followers came to America and created a glorious civilization. Then there was a civil war and Christs followers lost and those against Christ had there skin turn brown.
Sounds pretty prophetic to me.
>>77651190
Eh, gods with some power. Not as much power as the Almighty God. It's how the egyptian priests could turn their staves into snakes against Moses. It's also why Moses's stave, the single serpent, consumed all the other serpents. Ours is the Almighty God, but theirs have some power still.
>>77650822
Every soul named in the Old Testament went to hell. God saw his creation like humans see bacteria. He physically couldn't bring himself to care about us. Eventually, I guess he got a wild hair up his ass, and decided to make himself a human to see what the fuss was about. Setting foot in man's shoes apparently taught him compassion, and since Hell is a sentence, a promise, he undid his eternal damnation of mankind by sacrificing himself in flesh.
Essentially, Christians think that the god they worship is the one who came around and undid his contempt for us. The Jews, who are mostly atheist, but some are orthodox, say that Jesus wasn't the real messiah, which implies they still see humanity as evil and wicked and want to do away them. This is where ye olde christians said Jews worshiped satan.
Muslims turned the then most popular religion at the time into an excuse for decadence and arab nationalism after the death of their """prophet"""
So, no not really. They worship different aspects of the same mythos, but in each religion, god plays a very different role.
>>77651031
rly makes u think
>>77651229
is that what the leaders are saying now?
because that's now what our cuck governor is doing now. and he's probably going to be reelected this year too.
i'm former mormon so i know what you're talking about
>>77647702
fuck off with that heretical baloney
>>77650224
There used to be strong stances against race mixing. They try hard to white wash that out of our history though.
>>77647702
I believe in the Trinity and Christ's true nature
>>77647702
Because there is no truth to the book of mormon.
I've read it, it's a great work of fiction, but it's just that.
Elephants, horses and silk in the new world. That's just the normal bullshit Mormon's have to believe in. That's not even dealing with the fact that a community of Jews supposedly traveled across the ocean in a wooden submarine that used rocks for light. Then they built the temple of Solomon mark 2 in a matter of a couple of years with like, 40 people, even though the first one took more than half a century with thousands of slaves.
I mean, my people have done a lot of great things, but it seems unlikely that we did any of this.
>>77651291
>ours
kek, listen lad, there's only one god and that is the Christian one.
>>77651291
>implying it wasn't demons or Satan himself who changed the Egyptian' s staffs
>>77651229
In no way is it against the church, they fucking love migration. Hell at the last general conference they were talking about stopping the hate on 'refugees' in Europe and that people should welcome these migrants.
>>77651414
I sure wish we still had a stance against race mixery. That would be really nice. Book of Mormon and Bible both speak out against race mixery plainly enough. But, you take what you can get.
>>77651497
I guess it depends on your area
>>77651497
Yeah, me and fellow mormons have come to blows on that one. It's nuts how much they love the muzzies who want to blow us all sky high.
>>77651536
You should reform the church, or start a branch that is militant white nationalism. I might join.
>>77651151
Smith couldn't even make the same book twice when his bro and his wife tested him by trashing it. Smith got so pissed he waited a few years to try the hoax again claiming lol God got mad I lost it so I cant write it down again for a few years
Also sleeping with other mens wifes when there on missions isnt cool
And explain the book of lamentations if the priesthood was still on the earth in another temple you faggot cultists dragging people to hell
Also if there were prophets after jesus please tell me why you dont believe in Muhammed and it would make jesus a lair as he was the fulfilment of the old law
I dont even know why im on this track I should let my little theologian /pol/ock hommies ride on you Masonic ass niggas
>>77651346
>Setting foot in man's shoes apparently taught him compassion
I wouldn't be surprised if this was true but it doesn't make sense considering God is, well, supposed to be God: omnipresent, omnipotent, etc. Shouldn't he already know what it feels like to be Human?
>>77651625
>encouraging schism in any religion
Stop
>>77651027
>drop the satan Masonic bs
They have been removing it from the temple rituals. Slowly.
>>77651548
They love these migrants coming in from Africa and any Hispanic nation because they are easy to get into the religion, missionaries go for them all the time.
>>77651602
they're sentimental because Mohammad is very similar to Joseph Smith. they both wanted to steal other mens wives and fuck children, and stopped at nothing to do it.
>>77651625
Oh goodness, I wouldn't dare. I'm not a holy man at all. I'd be more prone to join a militia than I would start a religion.
>>77651679
I agree, I'm just reiterating my interpretation of things.
>>77651382
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1977/04/come-let-israel-build-zion?lang=eng
Sense like 1977
>>77651751
kek, morons on suicide watch
>>77650445
It's all so tempting though.
I'm split between:
-writing up a religion that blends good Christian values with a Buddhist mentality and tempers everything with lessons of reason, decency and realistic perspectives.
In the end I'd try for something that would accept reform and improve upon absolutely anyone from the most psychotic CEO to the lowest basement dwelling pedo and offer them a way to life that will fulfill their biological human nature and have them live good, meaningful and mutually beneficial lives with the rest of society, not just despite their flaws but even including them. A perfect human society where all needs of the animal are met.
-on the other hand, it would be much easier to any kind of shamanic cult around Kek, Baal, Dionysus, etc., and just lather it obscure and abstract concepts and systems of prayer and meme magic. That could be extremely strong, interesting, attractive to the unsatisfied and could fulfill the need for adventure and novelty.
We could even have virgin sacrifice(where you sacrifice the maiden's actual virginity on an altar, lol) and roman style drunken worship orgies, meme magic sessions and secret gathering thingies and etc.
This one however would fizzle out quickly and is a bitch to maintain without incorporating bankers and other rich donors behind closed doors.
Each one is tempting and could work really well but I need to decide.
>>77649171
seriously buddy i haven't a clue what you are talking about.
>>77651657
I'm not Mormon, I left their church, but as far as I know they aren't claiming that these golden plates are being hidden from people I believe they think their God took it up or something. Could be wrong.
>>77651205
No, because they are bad sci-fi made up by conmen looking to get rich and fuck little girls.
>>77648113
Actually JWs don't believe anything retarded. The Book of Mormon is fiction though.
>>77649171
What JW scam is that cleetus
>>77649189
Did they wash you, give you some new longjohns, or baptize you for the dead at all?
>>77651716
We hate them here because they always scrub around for shit, so we be as passive aggressive as possible.
>>77647702
Because in the late 70s Mormons lifted the prohibition on blacks, aka children of Cain, capitulating to worldly politics and in the processes, becoming the whore of Babylon.
More recently, they've opened the missionary to women and allowed women to lead the congregation in prayer.
The congregation at which I'm an investigator has full blown African children being adopted into white families, and encourages 'spic parishioners to breed out of control. I don't approve but feel this is the closest thing to a pro-white anti-feminist congregation I'll ever find.
>>77651763
>19 posts by this user
President Monson is thrilled with your work, elder.
>>77648549
>anti-jew
They literally induct you into a tribe of the jews as a part of their initiation.
>>77650822
Well kinda
Christianity and Islam are basically Jew religions
"God" is just Yahweh who is based off the old Jew war god
all these religions are literally based off a Jew trick to destroy Rome and cuck the white race
It kinda backfired in that Islam was created and thus created an enemy for whites to have to fight thus somewhat uncuckening them
>>77650812
That's literally a meme
My folks don't shun me or my sister
Neither have my grandparents shunned anyone in my family not JW either.
>>77650812
only if you get baptized and then do something wrong, anon
>>77652043
Hahaha. Not a missionary, just a neo-nazi mormon. I'll probably get kicked out of the church soon, but I'll stick around until they do.
>>77651151
How convenient
>>77651691
Changing rituals supposedly laid down by God hahaha more proof nigga
Plus these little bitches are told to rely on their testimony only in the face of things that make them doubt while the bible says bring all knowledge subservient to God and in another verse be prepared to give an answer for the hope thats within you. The heart decives were flesh and have a sin nature every religion claims that fuzzy feeling Christians are called to search for truth
Also mormans are based on eternal marriage and family and Jesus when challenged by the pharasies or sadjesus I forget which ones didnt believe in an after life threw jewish law regarding marriage after death (custom was a brother was to take his dead brothers widow and marry her) they asked who will she be married to in the after life? Jesus then told them their was no marriage in heaven. So again scripture btfo of cultists
IM RIDING ON YOU NIGGAS
>>77652168
Even Australia knows it's bullshit
>>77651931
>virgin sacrifice(where you sacrifice the maiden's actual virginity on an altar, lol)
Wew, lad.
>>77651931
Make it explicitly pro white and I'll be your first convert.
>>77651941
How gullible would you need to be to believe in that
>>77652155
I've been considering showing my powerlevel at church, but I'm torn.
>>77650812
JW here. No one does that.
>>77650749
Even before Christianity there have always been priests and shamans guiding the people and the masses that were gullible enough to bend the knee to the guy wearing the frog mask.
Religion is a tool, and has always been as such. Weather it's the imperial gods or the desert gods doesn't matter, it's just a change in politics or an attempt at usurping the crown.
>>77647702
Because Joey Smith was an oathbreaking dickhead who stole our rituals for his only financial benefit.
>>77652079
I mean the sneaky jews not the jew jews
>>77647702
I lived in Utah for a year, and honestly have no bad things to say about Mormons. they're breedy noice guys.
>All own guns and exercise their 2nd ammendment right
>encourage and foster strong traditional family units
>work hard and make good neighbors, inviting me over for really gud bbq
>devout to their religion without being obnoxious about it
>don't beg for gibsmedats or other special representation that a lot of other small religious minorities do
also space jesus seems like a fucking radical dude tbqh
>>77651000
Mary was a clever little slut who cheated with some nigger and lied to the mega-cuck Joseph, saying "y-yeah... umm like, God did it!" because she wanted to avoid being stoned for adultery.
>>77652250
You like that, don't you!
>>77652253
>we reserve the right to choose our customers
>>77652300
Just drop the red pills in a subtle fashion. The racial equality belief is almost ironclad.
>>77647702
because your pedophile leader wasn't a prophet just a child molester and lady-collector
>>77652284
They believe in some weird shit that's one of the reasons I left.
>>77648604
This. Fuck the modern LDS church.
>>77652362
Nope that would be literally the worst thing marry could have done regarding jewish law and culture at the time
Grow up
>>77652462
The last four of my social is quads, am I confirmed for Kek?
>>77652308
I know what he means though, but as I said, either
1. Don't get baptized until you're really ready.
2. Don't do anything outrageously wrong.
3. If you do, be repentant.
4. Families need to realize that even the WT says that families can interact with df'ed ones for 'necessary family business'. This leaves a certain amount of leeway. I won't get into what the scriptures say at this point, but one always must obey one's own conscience when it comes to scriptural interpretation also.
tldr but I get angry when I hear that some haven't seen family member x in 10 years. That's just going over the top. You need to also apply the 'Good Samaritan principle' imo.
>>77652523
Actually they don't
>>77652250
I mean it's a lot better than killing the actual virgin, don't you think?
We can just let the dark lord possess the high priest so he can have a go at mortal pleasures for a while and also get a bit of that cranberry juice so he can show off to his Aztec buddies later on.
Nest thing you know: Excellent Harvest this year.
>>77652607
Are you Donald Trump?
>Mormons still can't produce plates
>don't have an argument
>if they actually produce plates they can be proven false
>Mormons desperately try to change the subject because they don't have an argument
Why are Mormons as fucking bad as liberals? Both of them have flimsy belief systems that they shout at you instead of debate and analyze.
Joseph Smith was called a prophet
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
He started the Mormon religion
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb).
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
Joseph Smith was called a prophet-
>>77652737
I am in Houston right now.
>>77652607
No, but we could make a pretty dank warlock out of you. Keep practicing that [summon loli succubus] and you might get a bonus virgin.
>>77652883
They were sent to heaven after John finished translating them :^)
>>77652885
That was a funny episode, even though in general I absolutely loathe that show
The Scientology episode was also funny
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
Many people believed Joseph
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)
And that night he-ee saw an angel
(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
>>77652676
Haha dont even get me started on your hearsay. You alter the bible which is specifically called against. The new testament was written in Greek so when you go in and take out Adonai and put Jehovah even if its just a title you're sinning plus each name of God denotes something special which you take away and loose meaning.
Plus youve predicted the worlds end wrong a bunch of times
Heaven is for more people than you say
You deny the Trinity
You call for passivism no matter what when the bible has tons of verses about ordained violence and defense
Time for war time for peace
God trains my bow fingers etc
Get out and repent
>>77652883
Isnt like the whole point to have faith. I mean no serious Christian tries to prove god exists.
>>77652607
>that feel when the middle numbers of my soc are 88
>mfw I'm jewish
is it a sign?
>>77651602
It sucks because I know Mormons look up to their officials and now that these officials are saying being pro-migrant is all great so I can no longer rely on my LDS pals for the upcoming race war.
>>77652711
if you want to read some wacky stuff read mormon doctrine by bruce mcconkie. or the miracle of forgiveness by Kimball.
the fastest way to becoming exmormon is to read mormon literature.
>>77652979
Seriously, the plates defeat the mormons every single time. It's a child's logic.
>>77653231
Is there a religon that operates on logic?
>>77647702
Because I am not a crazy shit
Christianity is stupid
Mormonism is even stupider
>>77653231
SHOW ME THE ORIGINAL COPY OF THE BIBLE YOU FUCKING GOYIM
>>77653463
Not an argument weve provided reason mormans are wrong
>>77653364
All religions operate on faith. The Mormons are a special brand of retarded because they're less than 200 years old with physical proof in their doctrine. And when they can't produce this physical proof they get completely btfo by anyone with a shred of logical thinking.
So they're less viable than any other form of Christianity, they've just had demagogues and use intense social pressure to override the logic. So they're basically liberals.
>>77653619
Bible wasn't written on permanent metal that doesn't corrode. Your move.
>>77653126
You don't know what you are talking about.
Adonai is a Hebrew word, not a Greek word. How then was it in the 'New Testament'? Our Bible is accurate, much more so than the King James or other ancient translations. Jehovah is put back generally when there is a quotation from the Hebrew Scriptures where the divine name occurred. I'll give you a clue- where your Bible inserts LORD they've taken the divine name out. Your Bible is an abomination.
Jesus clearly said, 'the meek shall inherit the Earth'. Psalm 37:11 'The righteous shall inherit the Earth'
The Trinity is a false dogma. Jesus said, 'The Father is greater than I" John 14:28, the trinity was introduced by pagan Roman Emperors to satisfy their own pretensions to godhood and to appeal to platonists
We aren't pacifists, we are neutral. We support divine warfare, just as the Hebrews did
>>77653172
Haha can you give me the tldr version ;)
>>77653364
If it did, it would be called a school of philosophy.
>>77653364
All religions must exist in a world of a degree of internal logic, but some are less internally (and externally) logical than others
>>77652362
>Mary was a clever little slut who cheated with some nigger and lied to the mega-cuck Joseph, saying "y-yeah... umm like, God did it!" because she wanted to avoid being stoned for adultery.
Personally I don't have a problem with this interpretation but I cant see any good christian accepting it.
>>77653800
I'm a Bible Student, thanks for spreading the truth.
>>77653619
Easy we can re create the entire bible just from early Church fathers quoting it plus for the NT we have the supunget and the OT we have the dead sea scrolls. We know Mormons and Islam is false because they claim the bible was corrupted after Christ when its remarkable that we literally have the book perfectly. Plus they love to use the atheistic talking point of but hurr durr so many translations = errors. Lol no we can translate directly from Aramaic Ancient Greek and Hebrew to English we don't need to jump through three languages to translate.
Mormons are nice people and all, but if you dare break away from the hive mind you will literally be ostracized by them and shunned for the rest of your life.
If you're a Mormon you must follow what your fellow Mormons do
>>77647702
>Founder was a documented charlatan
>Heretics
>Laughable beliefs even by other Abrahamic faith's standards
>Masonic rituals
>Other cult shit
>Hated niggers but changed their minds to be PC
>Too spineless to call out Islam
>Polygamy is highly degenerate
>Harassing people on the street
>Harassing people in their homes
They should've been massacred by the US army.
Even if they have lots of kids, what's the fucking point when the kids are mormon?
I am Eastern Orthodox.
Jesus warned the world of false prophets.
Also, if I may ask, how did you become Mormon? Were you raised Mormon? Is there a large Mormon community in the United Kingdom? Do you support Nigel Farage? Are you voting leave or remain?
>>77653849
the miracle of forgiveness is a book that teaches mormons to self loathe for causing Jesus pain. it even goes into detail on how awful masturbation is because it makes jesus cry. and anything thats not sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation
mormon doctrine has a lot of "deep doctrine" and old doctrines that have since been whitewashed. one example is that black people in the prelife were on the fence, and that's why they were marked with dark skin to signal they weren't valiant in the pre-earth life in the "war" of choosing satan vs jesus.
>>77653731
places in the bible exist but there's no proof of the supernatural things that occurred, so you're really just saying mainstream christianity is more accepted in culture because its been around for so long.
>>77654172
Raised non practising mormon, not really, yes, leave.
>>77653800
Carm.org look up Jehovah's wittiness
Dude your in a cult the watchtower will lead you to hell
Also nice taking verses out of context like christian science or mormons also every other group laughs at your translation the NIV or NLT or even NKJV were made by lots of denominations together and atheistic scholars and jews yours was made by quacks
Why am I not a Mormon? Because I enjoy masturbation too much.
>>77647702
One word: credibility
>>77653800
Yeah the whole trinity bs has always seemed like bs to me. God prayed to himself, and then forsook himself, and begged forgiveness from himself for the Jews that where killing him? What the fuck is up with these lame stream Christians and there schizophrenic god.
>>77652362
If you read the bible you will now that Joseph at the beggining did not believe Mary and wanted to abandon her. But, some angels told him on a dream that what she said was true.
>>77653871
Philosophical systems are not all logical. Take for example 'Objectivism'. Or logical positivism. Or existentialism (although I am a fan of Kierkegaard who really had nothing to do with existentialism).
Even evolutionism. We are told that science only believes that which can be observed, replicated and is a 'falsifiable hypothesis'. Essentially, macroevolution is none of these things. The fossil record is by a massive margin more gaps than 'links' and the links that exist are somewhat questionable. For example, the lungfish cannot be fit neatly into the fish>amphibian diagram. It has no known successors and predecessors and seems to lie outside the linear 'progression' anyway.
Also, even though we have billions of organisms to observe and have been doing so with instruments for centuries, we cannot observe macroevolution or anything like it. The best we have observed (apparently) is more black moths appearing rather than white (although the black moths already existed, they aren't even a mutation) and a bacterium which in about 100,000 generations started to synthesize an enzyme. Wow, I'm sure in several quintillion generations its sure to reach sentience. Shame that 100,000 generations is more than even the most ambitious carbon daters attribute to the line of 'homo' species
>>77647702
Because Mormons are just Muslims with white skin.
>>77654220
>missing the point
You can use the excuse that 2000 years wipes away physical evidence more than 200 years. Mormons don't have it. Therefore they are less credible on matters of faith. Also you're desperately trying to change the subject again.
>>77653962
You're welcome. We must always uphold the truth rather than the lie
>>77654049
This is bullshit. If you break away from the hive mind they will just perpetually try to befriend you even harder and invite you to elders quarem socials and shit and they will send home teachers over every month to see if they can come be friendly.
>>77647702
white trash science fiction
>>77654592
Such is the fight against the world empire of false religion
>>77653983
We also have ancient scrolls of the Greek scriptures going back millenia, ditto for the Hebrew Scriptures. There are also many copies in whole or in part of many Bible books. The canon was accepted by spirit guided Christians, including the apostles, who wrote most of the 'NT' and who witnessed to the inspiration of the books we have. Many of the so-called Church Fathers of the early 2nd century were personal disciples of the apostles (of course, they were really disciples of Jesus) like Polycarp who grew up at the 'feet of John' in Smyrna
>>77647702
I'd love to join and I have looked into the faith with great interest. Problem is that there are numerous things about the religion that doesn't sit well with me.
I might do it before I start a family, But as of now I'm a professional bartender and I'm not giving up my career to find the lord.
>>77654220
Interesting, I did know that black people were said to have 'the mark of Cain' and that sort of thing
A lof of the history of the Bible is verifiable too anon, even we can infer evidence for some of the supernatural events. For example, Jerusalem obviously wasn't destroyed by the Assyrians under Sennacherib. Somehow the Jews survived the Babylonian onslaught and returned to Palestine. Also Jesus followers certainly believed he did miracles since they were dying for their beliefs almost straight away, and Tacitus verifies this fact. There obviously was a notable Christian community in Palestine before 70 as Josephus attests to this.
>tfw was thinking about Seventh Day Adventist, but I don't think I can quit smoking and drinking or coffee
As a mormon, have you ever had the pleasure of any of those things?
>>77654834
Amen come to my Bible study if you're ever in Long Island we can roast some fedoras
>>77654834
The maya had a bible too
"This is the first account, the first narrative. There was neither man, nor animal, birds, fishes, crabs, trees, stones, caves, ravines, grasses, nor forests; there was only the sky. The surface of the earth had not appeared. There was only the calm sea and the great expanse of the sky. There was nothing brought together, nothing which could make a noise, nor anything which might move, or tremble, or could make noise in the sky. There was nothing standing; only the calm water, the placid sea, alone and tranquil. Nothing existed. There was only immobility and silence in the darkness, in the night. Only the creator, the Maker, Tepeu, Gucumatz, the Forefathers, were in the water surrounded with light. [...] Then Tepeu and Gucumatz came together; then they conferred about life and light, what they would do so that there would be light and dawn, who it would be who would provide food and sustenance. Thus let it be done! Let the emptiness be filled! Let the water recede and make a void, let the earth appear and become solid; let it be done. Thus they spoke. Let there be light, let there be dawn in the sky and on the earth! There shall be neither glory nor grandeur in our creation and formation until the human being is made, man is formed. [...] First the earth was formed, the mountains and the valleys; the currents of water were divided, the rivulets were running freely between the hills, and the water was separated when the high mountains appeared. Thus was the earth created, when it was formed by the Heart of Heaven, the Heart of Earth, as they are called who first made it fruitful, when the sky was in suspense, and the earth was submerged in the water."[11]
Together, the gods attempted to create living beings so that they may be praised and venerated by their creation. Their first attempts (animals, mud man, and wooden man) proved unsuccessful because they lacked speech, souls, and intellect.
>>77655282
"This the Forefathers did, Tepeu and Gucumatz, as they were called. After that they began to talk about the creation and the making of our first mother and father; of yellow corn and of white corn they made their flesh; of cornmeal dough they made the arms and the legs of man. Only dough of corn meal went into the flesh of our first fathers, the four men, who were created. [...] And as they had the appearance of men, they were men; they talked, conversed, saw and heard, walked, grasped things; they were good and handsome men, and their figure was the figure of a man."[12]
Women were created later while the first four men slept.
because i'm not stupid
>>77655148
I accidentally bought the wrong type of rockstar rather than the caffeine free one so i just drank it, i dont care really.
>mfw asked a Mormon girl out for coffee once
awkward desu . she took me to church and the entire congregation literally lined up to greet me, it was strange but very nice in a way. I wish I could be as happy as those families were
>>77654277
Of course, because something is written on the interwebs, it must be true.
Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Translation_of_the_Holy_Scriptures#Critical_review
Although not all the reviews are positive, these are genuine Bible critics not inbred fundies raving and frothing at the mouth, which is frankly what most critics of JWs are. JWs are more interested in truth than interfaith agreement.
I drink and do drugs
Otherwise I love the way Mormons live
>>77654462
In regards to macroevolution, I can only that there would be factors that would increase genetic mutation, and these factors would only be present at either certain times or places or in certain circumstances.
You're right tho.
But even without perfect logic, those schools would still be based off some form of reason, there would be things that lead up to those ideas and reasons for creating and applying them.
As for a logical religion, I guess in that case it would probably be called common sense?
I mean you can't make a commandment like: "Thy apples shalt not fall towards the sky unless there be a gravity generator!"
Or: "Thous shalt not bang thy head against a wall lest the Lord of Physics punish you with a cracked skull!"
>>77647702
Because I believe in the true Church, and not some made up bullshit.
Next question faggot
>>77655423
No because Ive seen the same cultists behavior in Seventh day, Christian science, JW's and Mormonism
Repent
>>77647702
No joke OP I'm Catholic but ALWAYS been fascinated by your religion.
Can I join a singles war and meet a young white girl and start my life with her? Or do I have to marry her? Why can't I just live with her and go to church? :3
>>77655789
>catholic
>living with your girlfriend
>>77654435
Not only this, but God obeyed himself, served himself, and didn't follow his own will but only that of himself.
He said at Luke 22:42 ""Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
Or as 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (NASB) says
"24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. "
Somehow God puts the son's enemies under the son's feet, then gives the kingdom back to his father and is subject to his father and recognizes his Godship over him, yet the son is equal to the father? This is utter absurdity and obscurantism
>>77655893
>not orthodox
>not a radical
Yeah fuck off.
Mormonism seems chill though, I mean, I can dig it except for the no alcohol and no coffee, and uh, no gambling, and ...wait can I just be a jack Mormon?
It's a fake Ass cult
>>77647702
But now honestly
Are you a mormon just for the sake of it
(like when your parents are christian so you just claim to be chrisitan to not have them bite your ass all the time)
or do you actually believe in the bullshit that is written there?
>>77655789
Yeah you can, you dont have to marry but we usually marry early due to the ban on out of marriage sex. And you can live with her and go to the church, you just have to follow customs.
>>77655943
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Found this tho.
>>77647702
Because I'm a Christian
>>77655480
Yes, you are right. If you've read my posts you will realize I am a JW. JW theology is highly logical if you examine it. There are points honestly that I believe could be refined in the light of scripture and common sense, but I have no authority to change these points. At any rate, I do admit that faith is not something that can be acquired by reason/logic alone, but must be consistent with these.
I do believe in a Kierkegaardian 'leap of faith' which can come when the head and the heart are nourished and satisfied in a praticular worldview. Also, the divine experience is a real thing, or at least this is what my senses in combination with my heart and head and certain lived experiences tell me
>>77647702
'Cause I'm a Christian.
>>77656061
I believe that the stories are over exaggerated bullshit, but following it can lead to being a good person with a good life.
>>77647702
CSB:
When Book of Mormon, the broadway play, was playing at the theater I worked for, the local Mormons were out at the corner peddling their book. Also in the brochure they gave to people going in was like an ad every other page for "You've seen the show, now read the book!"
>>77654796
Are you guys meming or are there legit JW's on here.. That would be great
>>77655783
Is that an 'argument by authority'? Trouble is, as well as being inherently fallacious, such an argument relies at least in part on the 'authority' actually having some credibility or expertise, whereas your posts remind me of the drivel of a 2 year old with a crayon. Not to mention your grammar, spelling and general sentence construction. True the apostles were 'unlettered and ordinary' but they could write properly.
>>77656168
I read the earlier version of this, this seems comprehensive and enormously tldr. However the basic point that the fossil record is at best ambiguous in implying macroevolution stands. I did a long newgroup post decades ago debunking the list of fossils from this site (on the ng talk.origins, ironically) and I made the point that many of the so-called intermediate fossils were very incomplete, sometimes even a tooth or a part of a bone.
Also I don't find the 'nested hierarchies' hypothesis all that convincing. We can find such things in abstract concepts or in physical artifacts. Musical instruments made by man are in a sort of nested hierarchy. For example, the strings are all more like other stringed instruments, there are different types of violins but the violins are more like other violins which are more like other stringed instruments and so on.
This could be an example of typology and on that basis you could check out the work of Michael Denton (or Paul Davies) who I enjoy. His argument is basically that members of the cat genus for example are more like other cats than anything, and are inherently cat whether they are lions or house cats. The gaps are too great to encompass and cats always have been and always will be cats. But this is a very rough precis I'm sure you'd get far from reading his books
>>77656421
I'm not a baptized brother yet! I study the Bible with them. The Bible study course is the preliminary stage of becoming part of Jehovah's people. Close to baptism though!
>>77656256
I'm sorry but out of personal experience with JWs I cannot take it seriously. I can't!
Every one I've talked to throughout Europe had clearly been through brainwashing.
It's something I can clearly observe, and I know the signs that I have to look for.
I know that there are plenty who aren't but I've not met them.
And the ones I have met wouldn't even be convinced that a painting was green even if you could camouflage it in a bush 3 feet away from them.
And what's worse, I know that kind work. I know the ways they manipulate the mind with.
I've seen it in certain circles led by very competent and manipulative men.
It's an organization. Any semblance of truth is coincidental from my perspective.
>>77657125
I don't know what we are doing here though :)
Sometimes though I know there will be different sources of news mentioned here other than the mainstream. Lots of junk about though. Also I love the chance to use a text medium to analyze and discuss a point. Can be just as satisfying as face to face.
>>77657503
This is a great medium to witness to others. Especially since /pol/ is the most Christ friendly board with the regular Christianity General threads and people curious about God. Like you said this is a good alternative for mainstream news. I like to keep my finger on the pulse of the world and see just how much closer we are to Armageddon
>>77657179
There is no brainwashing. You are mistaking high levels of belief for brainwashing. In any case, there is no mechanism for brainwashing. There are only the meetings and bible studies.
Something that has been there since the beginning, and always present in 'high commitment' religions, is something like Organizationalism. I do observe this, where the organization becomes almost inspired. Actually JWs do not teach this (many other religions do). It has never been said that the Governing Body or whoever are more than merely men.
One needs to retain one's own thinking/critical faculties when one enters into an organization. We believe though that what we have is 'the Truth'. I have known some JWs who as a result have parked their critical/thinking faculties at the door.
>>77647702
because it's a false religion
>>77656571
Dude you're in a cult look up some real theology and drop your hearsay
You deny the Trinity and follow a church which claims definvine authority yet has been proven wrong in their end times predictions multiple times as they come and pass.
Repent
>>77657824
Yes brother, this is how I view it too :)
>>77658126
*heresy
*divine
What denomination do you belong to, sir?
>>77657824
>closer we are to Armageddon
Ahahahaha! You JWs and your 1914 prophecy. I remember for the 2014 Memorial Watch Tower scared mongered the faithful sheep by hinting of the End Time (TM) would follow soon after. WT didn't ought right said say it but the tone was certainly there. They did have this tone before 2014 or since.
>>77647702
Because I'm a Christian.
>>77657869
Also ex-JWs can be a sorry bunch. Perhaps inherently some of them had unrealistic expectations. Also some of them remind me of hardcore neo-atheists, in that they obsess and spend all their time attacking something they claim to believe is complete fantasy. Some of them are higher 'commitment' post-membership than they were during, and seem fairly brainwashed themselves
>>77647702
I'm a deist. Pretty based really, a lot of the founding fathers were deist.
>>77657125
>>77657503
My existentialist crisis keeps me from taking the bible seriously, even though I attend reunions weekly.
Maybe one day I'll get baptized
>>77658409
I don't remember this. But I know that the disciples said this at Acts 1:6:
“Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?”
Also, many groups have predicted events, but only 1 group has used the scriptures to point to a date in which something actually happened.
Heard of World War 1?
Because I'm not a cuck and I support Trump unlike every prominent Mormon politician
>>77658778
Keep progressing and learning with an open mind and I believe it will make sense.
As Acts 17:26-28 says
"He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’"
>>77653364
Descartes and Pascal
>inb4 you unwittingly say something ironic
>>77658806
Yes, I know about 1914. I also know JW predicted Armageddon before 1914 and nothing happening.
>>77658836
I believe that Trump will end up being a disappointment, as have all the other 'false Messiahs'. Not that he's inherently better or worse than any other politician
>>77659002
Wasn't it Descartes (of Montreal) who said, "I leaf therefore I am" :)
>>77657869
Please believe me here! This is my job! I get hired to detect behavioral patterns in groups of people.
Brainwashing has nothing to do with critical thinking, in fact it uses these faculties to work. It's mostly reserved for people who join in adulthood since those who are born into it can be satisfied with education and regular indoctrination.
The purpose of that organization is not faith.
If it can't be done in private as it's done in the group then it's not a stable belief.
Faith, in your circle, is a tool that the leaders use very well. Admirable since it's basically a mini-civilization. But a tool nonetheless.
Just be cautious. I've learned from experience not to subscribe my attention to anything.
>>77659063
I don't need my mortal leaders to be prophets, yet again unlike Mormon heretic kooks.
>>77659055
No, it was supposed to happen during 1914. These were the early Bible Students. They misunderstood the actual consequences, but still we can see that one world ended and another began. The Lord's day, marked by the sign of his presence, took the place of the era of the Gentile Times
>>77647702
i am, but i dont go to church since id be around an odd mixture of mormon feminists and cuckservative men trying to make me take a cuckservative point of view and bash trump and marry a mormon feminist. i know i know #notAllWomen etc but thats what i've noticed in my experience
>>77647702
Because Joseph Smith was a friggin' schizophrenic.
>>77659181
I disagree with you, not with your personal qualifications. Yes I've seen people of different faiths whom I would consider 'religious fanatics'. Even in my own. The Pharisees were like this also. Perhaps ex-JWs though is a bad subset to work from.
Look at the 1st century Christians. They were an extremely high commitment group who saw everything in terms of their worldview, their interactions with other Christians, outsiders, events in their lives, geopolitics. This was because they adamantly believed what they were saying was true.
Other than this, can you be a little more specific in your observations of how people manifest these symptoms? Please.
>>77659604
I mean I disagree with elements of what you say, but I;m not questioning your personal qualifications or ability and I can see where you're coming from in some instances.
1914 : Failed Watchtower Prophecy
One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the “start” of the conclusion of this system of things. Rather, 1914 was predicted to be the “end” of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise.
What Watchtower said prior to 1914
>"The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …"
The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239
http://www.jwfacts.com/images/the-time-is-at-hand-1911-p239.jpg
>"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
http://www.jwfacts.com/images/watchtower-1894-july-15-p226.jpg
>>77653962
>>77654796
>>77657125
Keep reading God's word and make the truth your own and in time you will recive many blessings from Jehovah God
Pic also related, about a year ago some Anon said he was studying the Bible with JW's. Not sure what happen to him but hopefully he got baptized
>>77659913
I know all this. So? They predicted that 1914 would be the end of the world, rather it was the end of an era.
Why don't you go back to your website and post some more inane and preposterous drivel. Or better still move on with your life.
>Jehovah's Witnesses actually believe this
Photodrama of Creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4KOvBgtAU&feature=youtu.be&list=PLt0zw9SfbkRzfVXKfGzT96IVnzq5gu26z
>>77647702
Because all Biblical manuscripts throughout history remain consistent and there's no reason to believe the text was corrupted or changed.
But even then, I don't know why I should trust Smith over Mohammad who actually had his own empire, while Smith got killed in a shootout and the rest of his followers got banished to Mexico.
>>77660162
>Photodrama of Creation
How old are you, anon? Sure you aren't Melchizedek
>>77660347
There is a high degree of textual integrity and continuity, I agree anon
>>77659913
Forgot the link
1914 : Failed Watchtower Prophecy
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php
And it's not just 1914. It goes back into the late 19th century. Pic related.
Changed Dates :: Failed Predictions
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
>>77660089
>Why don't you go back to your website and post some more inane and preposterous drivel. Or better still move on with your life.
Salty / 10
Every. Singe. Time. people push on your failed predictions you sperg out. Let me guess, I'm a "troll" also.
I literally am, though.
>>77659063
what makes you think Trump is a "false messiah" ?
He's just a pragmatic businessman turned politician. He has the potential to do good things for the country, and change the direction of politics in the US, win or lose.
Are you taking the "God Emperor Trump" meme seriously or something?
>>77660531
Are you a JW?
>>77647702
Because I am not a cultist heathen following a false prophet
>>77660162
>>77659913
>>77660707
Instead of spreading lies why don't you see how JW's actually came to conclude that 1914 was the year Jesus began ruling as King in Haven and Satan and the demons were kicked out down to Earth
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/faith-in-action-part-1/
If you want to get right into 1914 skip to 40 minutes in the video
>>77660707
I'm not sperging, I'm completely calm. Keep your projections to yourself. I'm not spending most of my life attacking something I don't believe in
>>77660884
I'm not suggesting he believes that he's the Messiah or even just a naughty boy. But some of the hype surrounding elected officials can be quasi-messianic. Obama is a classic case of quasi-messianic hype dissipating into bitter disappointment
>>77660918
yes
>>77661302
Thanks bro, although I don't believe that guy wants answers he is just pounding his 'postate propaganda
>>77659604
>>77659698
>Yes I've seen people of different faiths whom I would consider 'religious fanatics'.
I'm not talking about religious fanatics.
That's close to but not quite brainwashing.
To be quite honest 1st century Christians probably saw a similar form of brainwashing.
Adamantly believing what you're saying is true is a sing right of the bat. It's always accompanied by volumes of knowledge and examples that support this truth.
Brainwashing isn't any of that MK ultra stuff that you see in the movies. It doesn't involve hypnosis, microchips, not even stockholm syndrome.
It's a method of manipulation that tugs at people's heart strings, it shakes beliefs and induces(or takes advantage of) insecurities and general fears. The subject then becomes malleable, easily trusting, susceptible to suggestion(this tactic can be strengthened through the use of certain chemicals that produce temporary confusion). Then you get to work, you assert yourself as a savior or a wise man and you begin slowly teaching ideas and concepts, carefully tying them together with both strong emotion and reason. You leave small bits to be easily discovered and offer a dopamine reaction (also called an epiphany) and reward correct conclusions.
People don't like to lose. They don't like to be challenged, feel insecure or admit the truth in others' arguments so they do whatever they can to strengthen their current beliefs.
That's brainwashing.
Continued.
>>77660048
I will most definitely! I hope that anon progressed with his study. It's always inspiring to see others approach the Truth with sincerity.
>>77661302
Thanks for that video, I'm still learning a lot!
>>77661617
>It's a method of manipulation that tugs at people's heart strings, it shakes beliefs and induces(or takes advantage of) insecurities and general fears. The subject then becomes malleable, easily trusting, susceptible to suggestion(this tactic can be strengthened through the use of certain chemicals that produce temporary confusion). Then you get to work, you assert yourself as a savior or a wise man and you begin slowly teaching ideas and concepts, carefully tying them together with both strong emotion and reason. You leave small bits to be easily discovered and offer a dopamine reaction (also called an epiphany) and reward correct conclusions.
This is not applicable to JWs at all. The process of becoming a JW is all internal. You need to study the Bible. Is the Bible a tool for brainwashing? Honestly, what you describe is the lived experience of probably none of Jehovah's Witnesses.
I have seen some people become let's say overly zealous. A bit Pharisaical. Perhaps even a bit fanatical. But that is a personal choice or in my view reflects something about them. However JWs are a high commitment faith no doubt, like the 1st century Christians, who on the whole (some JWs obviously aren't high commitment, otherwise no one would ever leave. All congregations would have 100% attendance which none in the west ever do) adamantly believed in the truth of their faith.
>People don't like to lose. They don't like to be challenged, feel insecure or admit the truth in others' arguments so they do whatever they can to strengthen their current beliefs.
That's brainwashing.
That's true of almost anything though. Political discussion or any sort of internet based discussion is now an act of reinforcement rather than challenging one's beliefs. I think JWs are far more open to challenge than the majority of hardcore political activists. Aren't some social justice warriors evincing signs of brainwashing?
>>77661448
Yeah unfortunately I was thinking the same thing but Jehovah God sees us fighting for him and that's all we can keep doing
>>77661756
You're welcome
>>77662066
Okay there are some external processes ie the meetings, bible study, witnessing etc. but the actual faith process is a Kierkegaardian leap and all internal. You can't force someone to be a JW, they must choose it. Those who feel forced (by their parents for example) never last.
I really don't think the Codex Astartes supports this brother.
>>77659604
>>77659698
>>77661617
People who've been through that will display certain traits.
Their eyes will be a bit more open and will happily look you in the eye even in a heated debate. They convince themselves that they truly believe and reinforce that with personal convictions.
Their method of speaking is more robotic though heavily optimistic.
They repeat arguments even after being debunked, they avoid losing arguments, and change subjects.
If the debate isn't concluded they will try to continue implying concepts and invite you to believe them more often. Brainwashing feeds of of time and approval of others.
The more people approve the stronger it gets, and it's exhilarating. Brainwashing feels very good and offers plenty of pleasure to the subject through dopamine reward.
If you keep contradicting their belief they will eventually cut off contact with you or keep a distance to protect themselves.
It's a devil of a technique and I know it's being used. These are some of the most immediate signs. Though there are people it just won't work on and people that don't even need it.
I did say that often simple indoctrination is enough.
>>77662066
For example (and sorry for triple posting) the whole idea of 'wise men' etc. is negated by JW teaching. Yes some are worthy of 'double honour' but no ones opinion is worth more than another when it comes to the quality of a person's faith before God. In any case, I reject musty old institutionalization in all its forms. Governing Body members make mistakes just as I do. The local elders make mistakes and some of them are extremely imperfect. I don't take what they say as gospel. Like the Beroeans, we need to use the scriptures as our guide
Acts 17:11
11 Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the scriptures daily, whether these things were so.
>>77662066
>>77662156
>Bible a tool for brainwashing?
Well, I mean kinda'
>Honestly, what you describe is the lived experience of probably none of Jehovah's Witnesses.
This isn't done publicly and it's not easy to see even if it is. Also, like I said, it's not done to those born in the religion or who already have strong desires to be part of it.
>That's true of almost anything though. Political discussion or any sort of internet based discussion is now an act of reinforcement rather than challenging one's beliefs.
You wouldn't believe how common it is, I tell you. I've seen people do it during fucking business negotiations.
I basically get hired to bitch slap my client and tell him he's being played.
>Aren't some social justice warriors evincing signs of brainwashing?
Yes. God yes.
>but the actual faith process is a Kierkegaardian leap and all internal.
Yes, I think that's what causes the dopamine reaction.
I've not had the chance to talk to them in the US, to be fair. and I can't judge you beyond your posts. Though I can't see you going through manipulation so meh.
>>77662390
I've observed something like this in people of a variety of belief systems. I haven't observed this confluence of symptoms in any individual Witness though. Most Witnesses are confident in their ability to debate others. Witnesses are the most external religion there is, in that they challenge their beliefs on a regular basis.
>Their method of speaking is more robotic though heavily optimistic.
I know people like this :)
But doesn't everybody
>They repeat arguments even after being debunked
That can reflect a person's level of educational attainment and knowledge of the specific subject at hand.
Some of the other characteristics you mention are less relevant imo in the internet age. I do think many if not most people show signs of brainwashing in this age, in that people are less open minded than ever. As 2 Timothy 3:1-3 says
"3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be ..disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement"
Most 'internet debates' are not a pooling of information, but entrenched views lobbing verbal grenades at one another.
Not that that is what you and I are doing here, but in general terms that is an accurate characterization
>>77647702
All bullshit aside. I once slept with a Mormon girl and then she stopped being my friend. Later she went on mission and now she is trying to be my friend again and convert me to be Mormon.
Planning to read most religious texts in the future even though I have never really cared about such things. (New / Old Testament, Quran & Hadiths, Talmud etc) Just to get an idea of things.
Have considered religion solely for social reasons / networking.
>>77647702
Lesbian couples are the only reason to convert to Mormonism. Hot lesbian couples.
>>77663112
I have seen some whose parents have forced them to come to meetings etc. Who were browbeaten somewhat into getting baptized. They always leave or nearly always. If they stay, it seems generally not because of this but *in spite of this* that they come. Because being a JW is high commitment it must come from the inside to stick. No one will force you to come to meetings as an adult. In a situation in which general sheperding can be lax, the elders are hardly going to be spending lots of their (unpaid) time in chasing those who don't want to be there.
And yes, I have known the odd 'rogue' elder in my time, and I know some of them like to put their own ideas into things. But most of them are being weeded out in my experience.
There is nothing chemical in my attachment to the faith of JWs. There can be a lot of honest toil and time expense though
>>77654277
>JW
>cult
Can someone explain this meme to me? If anything they'd be a sect, but even that can be argued against,
>>77664431
It mostly comes from ex-JWs who are a bit bitter and twisted. Think of antitheists and their descriptions of religious belief as a whole
>>77663201
>>77663893
I get what you're saying. I can't talk for you or your personal experiences and if you can look at the whole thing from a detached point of view and assess that the situation is in fact authentic then I have no real reason to debate that. It's up to you in the end.
>There is nothing chemical in my attachment to the faith of JWs.
That however is untrue for you and every human being claiming that about anything ever.
Dopamine, Seratonin and a few other chemicals are the reason you can even muster up the consciousness to stay away.
From a scientific perspective those are the components of the soul.
I don't recommend you study them unless you're ready to start facing a whole bunch of stupid existential dilemmas.
>>77647702
But I am mormon anon.
>>77664897
>away.
Awake.*
