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What does /pol/ think about Communism?
Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
>>77602986
>their communism didnt work but i promise mine will
>>77602986
Communism will win in the end
>>77602986
could only work in a spiritually awakened species
>>77603438
could work, and does work with ants. we are much more advanced than them though
>>77602986
Neat concept in political theory but completely impossible to properly implement.
Personally I'm a Nationalist
>>77602986
Still shit.
>>77602986
The dialectical science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism will lead the workers to peace and victory
>>77602986
retarded ideology that always fails, yet still finds followers among retards. no surprise there i guess
Communism is shit. It literally comes from satan. It's founders are children of anti-white 'rabbi'. All 'Jewish' roots.
It's designed to destroy civilization and trespass against God and His children.
It's anti-life, and starts at atheism, ergo it's full of anti-Christs. I don't believe there are any communists in heaven.
It has literally no redeeming qualities.
>>77604913
> I don't believe there are any communists in heaven
>Heaven
well theres your problem
>>77604286
What the hell does Hegel have to do with Marx, Lenin or Mao?
Completely incompatible with human nature.
>>77604982
No, it's their problem.
Heaven does exist. The bible is true. Communism is satanism.
All I can do to fight against Communism is forgive the people who have been deceived by the serpent in to trespassing against me by persecuting me and taking away my rights, and murdering me, and also to try to educate people.
Communism starts with atheism. And that's just sad.
>>77602986
All you need to know.
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish (Israeli Ynet News)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government." (Wh en they set up the first commie government, out of the 545 commissars, 477 were Jews and most of the others were married to Jews.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
“Some call it Communism, I call it JUDAISM.” ~ Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935. (Judaism is nothing but disguised, camouflaged Communism.)
>1918+98
>Not Stalinist.
HAH
>>77602986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJxdIXgMGAI
Capitalism has produced an unprecedented standard of living within the mere 400 years of its existence. Communism can't compare to the success of capitalism.
>proper Marxism
Doesn't exist anymore than "real Islam" does
Anyway, Marxism is essentially a secular end times cult. It replaces the faithful and the sinners with the have-nots and the haves, and replaces the Rapture with the revolution. The Communist Manifesto is essentially an economic version of the Book of Revelations.
Marxism isn't the only economic religion though. Objectivism is also basically an end times cult, only a free market one instead of a statist one. Atlas Shrugged is another rip off of the Book of Revelations, only this time, good and evil are replaced with the producers and the moochers, and the Rapture is replaced with the collapse of Socialist America and John Galt picking up the producers to Free Market Paradise
>>77602986
I like Mao and his writings to be honest. Some of it is real good. I like him as a leader too even if he did some shitty too.
inb4 "muh famine"
China had a famine every single decade before that for hundreds of years and the communists stopped that. India continued to have famines well in to the 1990s.
>>77602986
Communism is the fairy story tyrants tell morons that can achieve though socialism.
The probably is that the state will never step aside.
>>77606075
State shouldn't step aside, brother. Give people influence? Sure.
Anyone on any side that believe you can abolish the state and have a functioning society is truly delusional.
>>77602986
Marxism = Luciferian
>>77605023
Marxism takes stock from Hegelian concepts of contradictions and dialectics.
>>77605836
Pic related
> scummunism
> proper
>>77604913
> satan
Whoa! Easy there little guy we will get to story time later
You haven't tried my version.
>>77602986
>proper Marxism
It works against human nature, that's why it is bound to fail, as it has.
>>77602986
"proper Marxism" will always degenerate into an oppressive stalinist like shitfest. The soviets actually tried to do what you want but failed miserably. The same was starting to happen in revolutionary spain.
>>77605137
> Heaven does exist. The bible is true.
Well I'm going to need some evidence of this.
>>77603117
>people can't be different from what I say they are
ebin
>>77604172
hahahaha ebin
>>77602986
Labor theory of value is shit. From there, all the implications based off of it are shit.
>>77605181
>da joos
>>77606899
>implying it failed
Wonder how well it would've gone for the US had all the world been communist
>>77607252
>it would have worked if we ALL did it at the same time
I have no idea how anyone can think communism is any good except in the most agrarian societies.
>>77606899
>people have to be what I say they are and different kinds of ideologies don't exist
>>77604645
/thread
>my special type of communism has not been tried out yet
Fuck you commies. It's not other people's fault that you fucked up your own life
Marxists & the fifth column in general share a sympathy and identify with the paradigm of the "victim culture". It's appeal lies in the denial of personal responsibility and romantic notions of the imagined oppressed overcoming their perceived oppressors.
>>77602986
If socialism so great, there is nothing that can stop u from starting a socialistic business haha. Go on. U r free to do so. Haha let me know how it went!
>>77602986
Stalinism was proper Marxism retard. Every commie shithole got where it did by buying into a meme of a decrepit butthurt kike
>>77607397
>it'll work this time, I promise
>>77607335
Probably. Though I'm not one of those cucks that think Stalin, Mao, Hoxha had "failed" versions of communism, but they did what they had to do when they were under attack.
>crying over degeneracy on /pol/
>hating communism
you can only pick one
>>77606899
The USSR achieved a hell of a lot for the world's first socialist state. The earliest attempts at capitalism failed miserably because feudalism was still too entrenched. Communism is the future of mankind, get used to it.
>>77602986
>Hey
>Hey baby
>That other night when I beat you
>That's not what our marriage is like, baby
That's what you people sound like. There is no philosopher who has been more soundly and completely proven wrong than Marx.
>>77602986
STOP REPLYING
TO THESE SHILL AND SLIDE THREADS.
>>77607454
Strawman much
Marxism as a philosophy is 100% correct, I don't know how anyone can dispute that. No matter how much the economy and world evolves the principles he outlined are definitely there.
The problem is how to utilize those principles especially in such a radically changing economy. I think the only political Marxism that could work would require heavy technological advances, enough that the government is forced to provide work/employment for people because so many things can be done with computers.
>>77607574
>world's first socialist state
>Communism is the future of mankind
>>77602986
What does /pol/ think about shit?
Not shitty shit, but proper shit.
>>77607545
Not an argument
Never worked, the single time they did implement it "properly" (as in Anarcho-communist) it turned the country into a fucking shithole.
We should have nuked them when we had the chance.
>>77607686
>you have to do it my way, you see...
>>77607574
>The USSR achieved a hell of a lot for the world's first socialist state
Well it's easy to achieve something when you enslave your whole population.
>>77607470
there are plenty of "socialistic" businesses, Franz. Don't they have co-ops in Germany?
>>77607562
>Probably.
>>77607252
It would probably resulted in world wide riots.
Sooner or later people would have woken up to the fact that there are countries where the government doesn't dictate what you can and can't have and where you can drink Coca Cola.
>>77607629
Well just checked out your contribution to this thread.
Hypocrite
>>77607870
>believing in capitalism
What has /pol/ become? Do you all just want what you have today but no muslims in your countries?
pic related: every modern day 'communist'
>>77607972
You might be onto something, Ahmed.
Doesnt work, it always end really badly for everyone involved, because no one can be free under "proper communism"
21th century "communism" is even worse
The ideology that theorized "The opium of the people" do not hesitate to ally with radical muslims to get their ways
It also considered thieves and criminals as subhumans who should be eradicated and now defend them as "victim of the society"
Overall you can see that they're trying a new recipe, but with the same rotten core
It's a retarded pie in the sky utopian fantasy
Thus attempts to implement it inevitably fail and produce some mutant political regime, usually authoritarian in nature
Just because capitalism is bad doesnt mean any alternative is necessarily better. Communists need to grow up and realise this essential fact
Also
>hammer and sickle pic
Why?
>>77602986
Communism is just a world cancer.
>>77607972
>what has /pol/ become
>implying /pol/ has ever been fond of communism
Ahmed
>>77607972
Communism never worked.
Every country it was implemented in failed, is failing, or, adopted capitalism.
Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we have.
>>77607972
>That ID
You need to go back.
"The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack"
I think Communism could work properly in theory, but it would honestly be impossible trying to get it to work on a national scale.
Communism requires a community spirit to exist. Think of small villages in the countryside where everyone looks out for each other, or primitive tribes where everyone knows everyone else. For small communities of this size, Communism is practically human nature; everyone will work towards a common goal of improving their lives. If a plane crashed on a deserted island, and there were say 100 people, a Communist society would form very quickly.
On too large a scale, community spirit cannot exist. Past a few hundred or so people, the human mind cannot physically keep records of everyone in the community. On the scale of millions, this community spirit that drives Communist ideology breaks down completely, as you probably know less than 0.01% of the community you're supposed to work for. This causes people to become demotivated, because of the bystander effect. They feel that they do not matter, as everyone will do everything they want for them. They will be able to just lay back and watch everyone else slave away. Since the invention of the city, society has become less and less naturally Communist.
TL;DR?
Small Village, Communism good
Big City, Communism bad
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
>REAL communism is different from communism in practice
>REAL communism hasn't been tried before
Broken record player with 6,000,000 speakers.
>>77607574
>that pic
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Communism is shit and evil.
>>77606708
Dialectics implies there is a synthesis afterward, not just "muh communism".
And Ireland is still around; the Soviet Union is not.
>>77606708
Also
>what is Holodomor
>>77602986
By "proper Marxism" you mean Trotskism? It's 100 times worse than Stalinism.
>>77608575
Cancer is spreading.
>>77607574
Most of the stuff the USSR achieved was either the result of them stealing it from the west or putting Nazi scientists to work.
All you need to know.
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
Proper Marxism is shitty Stalinist Communism...And it always will be.
>>77602986
state planning of economy does not work it cannot make good decision and when the state runs everything people do not try so hard because there is no personal benefits to it to they just do minimum. socialism is just idealism not a real thing for human people to really use in reality because it does not give people reasons to do anything in it and it hurts those who want successes
>>77608222
>communist society
>in a pre industrial set
>>77608996
>state planning of economy
>communism
>>77608796
>Proper Marxism is shitty Stalinist Communism
source?
>>77609222
state planning of economy is socialism, classless stateless society is communism, marxist hold that to get to one you have to go through the other. discussing socialism has to be part of discussion of communism
>>77608712
>Jews have the highest IQs
>Support communism
Neckbeards on suicide/mass shooter watch
>>77609395
>state planning of economy is socialism, classless stateless society is communism
Truth
>marxist hold that to get to one you have to go through the other.
yes
Are you the same Laos guy that was in my thread yesterday? Are you actually a local or a just there ofr work?
>>77609710
what was the thread? i have not seen others posting here i am local. this website is not well known in laos. i know it because i like anime a lot.
i did classes on marxism when i was in school. i read capital and lots of the smaller works as part of it. we had to do discussions on them.
>>77602986
I'd like to see the red square painted with commie blood
>>77610013
It was something about ommunism, i don't reccal very well.
What is life arounf in Laos? Do you live in the capital? Any good stories about your country?
>>77609564
They are really smart, you have to admit. They push for it in OTHER countries so those countries can go to shit while their country remains superior. If Jews are such Marxists, why doesn't Israel have open borders?
>>77602986
N-not, that communism!!!
Not t-that one either!!!!!
Mine! My kind of communism!! Yes!!! It has never been tried!!!!! I swear!!!!! This time everyone's gonna be rich!!!
>>77609564
Jews are also parasites.
>>77610299
was probably me then
life depends greatly on who and what you are, i do and that is to general to answer because it could be anything it is to broad
Communism is the end goal of humanity.
A united Earth. Total Freedom.
>>77602986
>proper Marxism
Nihilism.
Socialism promises a utopia waiting behind the destruction of the present social order.
>>77610677
I don't want a united Earth
>>77610677
more like total slavery, faggot
>>77608385
A Nazi lie.
Both sides lied to destroy each other lad, just like the holocaust, holodomor was a big fuckin (and useful) lie.
>>77610677
Communism = total freedom...
The idiocy in here has reached levels unimaginable to the common mind.
>>77610677
If unity was the goal why the hell didn't people do it?
The goal is power and dominance.
>>77610930
Ukrainians are liars?
>>77610934
Communism is anarchic bro.
>>77610930
Holodomor existed. It was just detiurped to feed Ukrainian nationalism
communism is the future
embrace it
i like the communist parties.
The most important part about Marxism in the next few decades is that we need to make sure automation is used to reduce work and bring hire wages to the workers due to the improved efficiency, and Not to the capitalist investors only.
This will easily happen if the means of production are in the hands of the workers, and why we should still be focusing on the economic base and stop worrying so fucking much about the goddamn superstructure and identity politics and all that shit all the time.
>>77611276
what a surpirse, right?
>>77611360
no it didnt. нaхyй c плoщaдки eбaный пopтyгaлeц
>>77611283
Your mum's vagina is anarchic.
>>77611603
*higher lol
>>77602986
the most degenerate system of all times, made by a kike to destroy goyim
>>77605181
>Vladimir Putin said: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government."
>mfw this Jew doesn't count
>>77604913
Some real nutters browse this board
>>77611283
unless you want to engage in mutually beneficial voluntary business transactions, that is :^)
>let's put an end to greed and collusion by instituting an even bigger and more oppressive system of greed and collusion that will devolve back into the governing model of a feudal state after six months
>>77609222
Marxism inevitably implies omnipotent autocracy. Under Marxism private property and hired labor are theft. they are crime even if exchange was done voluntary, it is inherent property of capital. What organisation could stop voluntary exchange of labor and goods on the markets? Only omnipotent state. This is why all Marxism implementations ended all like one.
A dirty kike made a filthy ideology that is not suitable to the ideals of my country or my people. It belongs in a library where people can read it and mock it and nothing more.
>>77602986
The idea of communism is the abolisment of individual ownership, inequality of power and the state.
This is utterly contrary to the nature of humanity as a species. We are a hierarchical species, a political species and a species with great variation in capabilities and desires between individuals.
For humans to survive and thrive as a species, collective action on both small and larger scale are unavoidable. From issues of building or not building a house and how to build it to issues of resource distribution and the trading value of resources.This means decision making power needs to be put into either people or a process wherein people act to have the decision they prefer be the outcome. This means a state in the broad sense of the word, a community within wich decisions are made that are binding to all individuals within that community, is unavoidable.
We are also a social and coöperative species. We cannot exist with any measure of success as pure individuals.
It is naïve to think that in any coöperative unit there will be nobody who leads. Wether by design or by practical considerations some leadership is inevitable. If decisions are made ad-hoc, without process, power is up for grabs to those who take it wether they like it or not. If the position of power is put into a process (like democracy, a soviet or just a meeting) there will be people who are more and people who are less capable in acting within that process, again resulting in unequal measures of power.
We are not computers but rather impressionable, political. We can be persuaded by more than just facts and rationality. Allegiances or support can be won by other means than rationality and facts. Any act of communication therefore becomes an act of politics, of power. Those who have less talent for communication or less substance to communicate inevitably have less power.
Communism is a fantasy. More accurately it's the fantasy that humans can choose not to be human and thrive.
>>77611626
>>77610930
Good goys. The jewish communist leaders never did anything wrong! They were good boys who dindu nuffin
>>77607738
Not an argument
>>77607973
hahahahahaha post le dank memes le XDDD epiccc XDDDDDDDDDD
Communism sucks
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
I just used this earlier.
>>77608261
Nice meme
>>77614201
...and this one.
shit
>>77609395
>what is workers' self-management
>>77614201
Most people that died under Mao died due to that famine. Mao even got a bit unpopular among his supporters because he didn't kill dissenters like Deng Xiaoping.
>>77614243
no national socialism, why?
this shows the true intent of Socialism is not economic but solely allowing Jews to be allowed equal access to the entire world and their resources, you can change anything of the doctrine except for the anti nationalism.
>>77610455
Epic meme
>>77612573
Why do you think that?
>>77611603
Intelligent post
>>77614395
read lenin, workers are not ready for this, so the vanguard party as the representative of the workers must take charge and direct the workers into building socialism
>>77607587
Marx's analysis of capitalism is generally considered to be spot on.
>>77607703
USSR
Backward agrarian nation propelled up to an industrial powerhouse..
Please do go on.
>>77607224
Marginal Utility Theory is shit m8
The only useful economic framework is the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism
>>77615030
Would have also happened if it was a capitalist country.
All the other western european nations got industrialized just fine under capitalism.
Theadly reminder that China is currently governed by the Communist Party and owns several times all of america's gold
Checkmate capitalists
>>77608010
You tout words like voluntarism and freedom, but reduce them to vulgar actions in a market and relationships with objects, you completely alienate freedom from humanity and equivocate it, conveniently, to the underpinning social relationship of your philosophy, all the while denying its social nature and its unavoidable violence towards others. You fetishize the commodity and property so much that your concept of freedom completely ignores social relationships, and so establishes only the most superficial framework of freedom.
People is a peace of shit. And this is not change any ideology.
>>77602986
>the proles don't know what's good for them
>so let's have a dictatorship of the proles before a transition to anarcho-communism
it's retarded in both theory and practice, nobody should ever try to implement it
>>77611603
>This will easily happen if the means of production are in the hands of the workers,
lol
You have never had a job, ha?
Like your great idol, Marx.
>>77606708
why SHOULD wealthy landlords lose even an inche of land?
are not the higher classes more valuable then plebs,after all??
>>77615447
China is more Chinese than Marxist, because Chinese theory is superior to kikes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius
Confucius's principles had a basis in common Chinese tradition and belief. He championed strong family loyalty, ancestor worship, respect of elders by their children and of husbands by their wives. He also recommended family as a basis for ideal government. He espoused the well-known principle "Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself
"when the prince regards his ministers as his hands and feet, his ministers regard their prince as their belly and heart; when he regards them as his dogs and horses, they regard him as another man; when he regards them as the ground or as grass, they regard him as a robber and an enemy".[39] Moreover, Mencius indicated that if the ruler is incompetent, he should be replaced. If the ruler is evil, then the people have the right to overthrow him.[40] A good Confucian is also expected to remonstrate with his superiors when necessary.[41] At the same time, a proper Confucian ruler should also accept his ministers' advice, as this will help him govern the realm better.
500bc
>>77616213
>He was so fucking smart, even the very people he says should dissappear (capital owners) accept to fund him for life
Makes you think...
ITT: Autistic Nationalists and AnCaps that have never taken the time to develop an understanding of Marxism and dialectical materialism complaining about Marxism
Marxism-Leninism is THE most proper form of Communism. It has succeeded in establishing socialism multiple times and will continue to due so, unlike whatever Trotskyist/Anararchist bs you subscribe to
>>77616213
He worked as an economist
>>77616348
because the people take it.
>>77616446
i asked why should not why would
>>77615818
*as a transition to anarcho-communism
>>77602986
A dead religion for edgelord retards who are too lazy to work. It has been tried, it has failed every single time, and no amount of whining will change history.
>>77616365
Yep, but it's still communist
And it still bought your ass
Or can we maybe agree to say that the success of a regime is not entirely tied to it being commusint or capitalist, thus negating all these silly "communism failed before so a new version won't work either" arguments ?
>>77616547
because people want land and if it's hopeless or unfair they just take it.
>>77602986
Communism
> You don't own property
> You don't own what you create
> Can't own a business
> Can't compete business wise
> Get paid the same as everyone else: Farmer gets paid the same as a doctor.
> Less incentive to pursue a different career because of point above
> No free press. Government controls the press
> No guns. Government bans guns to protect itself from the people who they are oppressing.
> No freedom of speech. Free speech is hurtful against the controlling communist government
> No freedom of religion. Religion is seen as a opposite threatening ideology to the communist state.
> Corrupt insiders scheme the wealth of the people for themselves while using government force to keep the general public poor
>>77616743
Lower class must gleefully accept their fate and rejoice on the well-being of their fellow humans
>>77602986
>destroying all culture and mixing all people into a giant amorphous blob
>good
>>77616830
About half of those are just so, so, wrong
>>77617004
You have no fucking idea what communism is lmao
>>77617002
That's false lower classes or upper classes have no obligations, if a lower class is being exploited they will rectify it.
>>77617123
Communism is opposed to all ideology and morals which aren't what they declare.
>>77617223
What a thorough understanding of Marx
>>77616830
Someone's really misunderstanding Communism
>You can still own private property
>Owning what you create is literally one of the core parts of Communism
>Own a part of the business you work for
>No need to compete business wise
>Propaganda. You can still get paid more or less based on your skill
>See point above
>Totalitarianism != Communism
>Totalitarianism != Communism
>Totalitarianism != Communism
>TOTALITARIANISM != COMMUNISM
>Only real weakness in your list. One of the reasons Communism cannot work on a national scale. See:
>>77608222
>>77602986
Stalinist/Juche communism is great and Marxist. Trotskyist/fake international communism is pure shit.
>>77603349
You know in communism the banks run the government right? A Central Bank is one of the communist manifesto planks.
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>>77614424
Communism is nationalistic.
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
Not real communism as it work in the real world, but theoretical communism? I guess I like it OK, since as long as it stays theoretical and out of the real wold, it seems to work great.
>>77617389
This
Some time ago, if you had asked me who the greatest revolutionary leader was, I might have written Mao as my favorite, as an example of a revolutionary leader who was able to do many things correctly, with some hindrance, but ultimately in a great success. With China, we saw a best case scenario against feudalism and Japanese imperialism. We don't speak often enough of the revolutionary upheavals that happened in the most excruciating scenarios.
Right now, for me, it's Kim Il Sung, and more generally, all the leaders in the DPRK. I have an endless admiration for they who have persevered in some of the direst of circumstances. I can't help but show my love to the Kims and the Workers Party of Korea for doing everything they could to secure their people against Japan and Western imperialism.
No one more than the Workers' Party of Korea has known what it means to deal with dire circumstance, and to build national liberation around it and through it. I think their example will prove to be an inspiration for all small nations being bullied by imperialist power.
>>77617727
No he means Trotskyist communism. Besides capitalism has failed.
>>77617123
I know damn well about all your autistic definitions. "Workers owning the means of production," blah, blah, blah.
What is is practice though, has made itself pretty damn evident.
What makes all people around the world suddenly have the same values and interests just because they're "working class?" Marxism holds that international working class must unite (in practice governed by the "socialist internationale" and other groups, like Soviet imperialism), but not all working people have the same interests; or are inclined to like each-other.
The Soviet Union intentionally watered-down nationalism to enforce a sense of devotion to the Kremlin bureaucracy. If you look at Lenin and Trotsky, they all shat on nationalism and cultural practices. The Soviets later, for one example, forced Estonians to take job in other Soviet states, then flooded Estonian with Russian settlers to erase Estonia's nationalism. The Chinese are currently doing the same thing to Tibet. They both used the canard that "it's for their own good, because they're not communist enough."
Also, mass immigration is in direct confict with native worker interests, because it creates competition for labor jobs, and immigrants consume more resources that the native populace could have had for themselves.
>>77617388
you are wrong. under socialism you can have personal property not private property. there is difference.
for example if you have a computer that is yours but you cannot own for example a factory or a farm those belong to the state as tool of working class control
>>77611442
Wow thats a stupid pic
>>77617855
Sorry, mixed up my words. I was trying to refer to personal property. The post I was responding to stated that under a Communist state, you cannot own property at all.
>>77616830
> You don't own property
You don't own lucrative property, it's a big difference
> You don't own what you create
You collectively own your mean of production and how you sell, in
> Can't own a business
Mandatory use property of the working tool is a core communist point
> Can't compete business wise
Employer owned buisness exist, I admit I am unaware of their compartive performances, but I think neither are you
> Get paid the same as everyone else: Farmer gets paid the same as a doctor.
Wrong. The current universal salary theories propotes income based on a unique, state recognised level of skill system
> Less incentive to pursue a different career because of point above
Point above invalidated
> No free press. Government controls the press
Nothing to do with communism
> No guns. Government bans guns to protect itself from the people who they are oppressing.
Aging, never have been in any communist theory
> No freedom of speech. Free speech is hurtful against the controlling communist government
What century are you living in?
> No freedom of religion. Religion is seen as a opposite threatening ideology to the communist state.
I feel like I'm loosing my time at this point
> Corrupt insiders scheme the wealth of the people for themselves while using government force to keep the general public poor
Currently happening in captialism, however, multinatinnal companies are more and more prone to use free trade laws to procecute even states with a private judge. States never win these procecutions
That would be impossible under communism
>>77617779
>With China, we saw a best case scenario against feudalism and Japanese imperialism.
Chiang Kai-shek was doing pretty well. He actually took the brunt of the Japanese attacks, since the nationalists were headquartered in Nanking.
Mao just stabbed him in the back after the Japs weakened him. Also, the US leadership was too pussified to oppose Mao, even when MacArthur warned them that a communist take-over would lead to China being a rival of the West forever.
>>77602986
kek
>>77617779
I fully agree! And after Kim Jong Un endorsed Trump I am sure that all this anti-North Korea propaganda is bullshit. I still am trying to disprove some things like the law that states "if you commit suicide your family gets imprisoned for three generations". But once I debunk these claims I will fully believe North Korea is a great place.
>>77617388
>>77617855
You can have personal ownership of things that are not means of production
>>77602986
We're pretty much living in a heavily trotskyistic society right now. How do you like it?
>>77602986
T. Trotsky
Socialist and Communist is the direction to go, but it's not really a point in asking what /pol/ thinks lol. At least not if you want to have a proper discussion.
>>77617855
Owning stuff that can make you money is the basis of class mobility and independence.
>>77602986
Stalinist communism WAS the Marxist communism you dream about during your wet nights. I'm sorry. It didn't work. Does not work. And will not work.
>>77618171
i know i am not a communist i just know communist theory well
summerfags are invading /pol/ again
>>77618110
This. Communist revolutionaries aren't after peoples Cheeto crusted mousepads. They are after oil, metal, and land.
>>77602986
By proper you mean communism without revolution? Possible under Marxism theoretically but how to get there? Why, via Stalinism, or Trotskyism of course?
>>77618180
ZZZZZzzzzZZZzzzzZZZ
If Stalinism didn't work, nothing works, expect imperialism for the imperialist.
>>77618336
Marx says communism without revolution is possible?
>>77618180
Capitalism failed every time so STFU
dear commiefags, why don't you go to venezuela or north korea?
>>77618458
Capitalism IS a failure. Just as the USSR WAS a failure in most ways.
>>77618084
Kim Jong Un did not endorse Trump Jesus christ. Don't fall for bourgeois propaganda
>>77617855
Why does Indochina still suck ass after so much gommunism, though?
Even the Vietnamese started adopting free markets lately.
>>77618575
Venezuela = Corrupt State Capitalism
North Korea = Feudalism
>>77618673
>NOT REAL GOOMMUNISM!!!
>>77618622
socialism is bad at improving life it can fight wars though because it is so controlling. we also have mostly abandoned lots of socialism same as vietnam.
>>77618673
>>77618575
Hopefully Venezuela is pushed to actual revolution soon.
I would gladly go to North Korea, but that is not my place. There is work to be done at home.
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism
This is what all attempts at implementing Marxist Communism results in. Famine, starvation, oppression, gulags, and mass murder.
>but proper Marxism
Merely a utopian fairy tale, and an economic impossibility.
>>77602986
Better dead than red
>>77618711
>>77618752
If I said that I was a Christian, but I did not believe in Jesus - would I be a Christian?
Old, stale meme argument
Capitalist countries:
- Somalia
- Sierra Leone
- Central African Republic
- Democratic Kongo
>Not real Capitalism
>>77618824
Do you support open borders?
What state do you live in?
>>77618615
USSR worked perfectly tho. Only failed because Reagan fucked it up
>>77618575
Dear Capitalists, why not go to Somalia?
>>77618620
Yes he did. Stop falling for mainstream media propaganda.
>>77618885
CIA-propaganda
The post
>>77618711
>>77618752
China calls itself communist and steamrolls your ass econmically
So either admit communist is superior or stop thinking that because a country calls itself something it's true
>>77618056
>Mao NOdong
>>77618913
>list nigger shitholes
hell, even mexican intellectuals are better than western communist idiots
>>77618913
I don't give a shit about your personal autism.
>- Somalia
>- Sierra Leone
>- Central African Republic
>- Democratic Kongo
All niggers.
Zimbabwe was a heavy left-leaning state funded by the Soviets.
Everything you commies touch turns to shit.
>>77618824
>would gladly go to North Korea
[THIS IS WHAT COMMUNISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE]
>B-b-but naw not really... heh, I'd rather stay here in America to... uh... Start the revolution! Heh, yeah...
You probably half-listened to "Holiday in Cambodia" and thought it was PRO communist
>>77618972
>USSR worked perfectly tho
No it didn't, and no, it was not Reagan that fucked it up lol.
>Kim Jong Un endorsed Trump
k 2/10
>>77619010
You're proof Mexibeaners are stupid as fuck.
>>77618913
Also yeah you are still a Christian. Christians don't really believe in Jesus or God. Otherwise they wouldn't be afraid to die at all.
>>77618992
>China calls itself communist
They do, but they are increasingly letting their economy run on capitalistic lines. The only thing truly "Communist" about China any more is that they are ruled ab an oligarchy that uses that word for the name of their party.
>>77607456
>Implying Lenin wasn't a good leader
>>77618992
>steamrolls your ass econmically
In what way? The US still has the largest GDP, and Europe combined has an even larger GDP. Despite what you autists think, Europe is still highly-capitalist.
The only reason China got ahead was because Nixon, and later free trade agreements opened-up huge quantities of outsourced jobs from the West to China. Trump wants to remedy that, though. I support a more nationalist brand of capitalism.
>>77619087
Everything capitalism touches turns to shit
>Venezuela
Good until CIA fucked it up
>USSR
Good until Reagan fucked it up
>North Korea
Still good
>Libya
Good until Hillary fucked it up
>>77619112
You like capitalism? Capitalism created Nazi Germany (yes they were called "National Socialists" but they were actually capitalists). And Nazi Germany was the poorest most dictatorial country ever.
Fascism is capitalism in pure form - Lenin
>>77618986
Look at all these good comrades enjoying the fruits of Communism! Long live Marx and Lenin!
>>77602986
Its a nice fairy tale that thinks all people are selfless and want to work hard for others without higher compensation for harder work.
>>77619300
>legalized fag mariage
>supported divorce
>>77618972
>Dear Capitalists, why not go to Somalia?
You mean yet another failed state due to communists funding zealot rebels to destroy a western-friendly government? That Somalia? Or were we talking about Liberia, Ethiopia, Chad, Sudan, DRC, Zimbabwe, or South Africa? I can never keep straight all the many societies communism has utterly sent into the dumpster as chattel to combat DA EBUL CAPITULISTS
>>77619087
So now you have to rely on race to explain the failures of your system. Typical of a capitalist
>capitalism works, that's just not real capitalism! my special perfect capitalism has just never been tried!
>>77618134
>Socialist and Communist is the direction to go, but it's not really a point in asking what /pol/ thinks lol. At least not if you want to have a proper discussion.
Ok you've been pegged as a troll. Enjoy your ban. I'm not advocating for report but I'm saying IF everyone reported this guy for trolling he would be banned.
>>77619408
no problem there
>b-but muh cucktianity beliefs
>>77619362
>North Korea
>ever good
Wew lad. Even after getting donations from the 2nd-biggest communist country ever, the Norks still starved so badly they ate most of the native wildlife, and had to grown genetically-altered giant rabbits.
>>77619418
What about Nazi Germany though? If you like capitalism so much you would love it there.
>this trigger leftards
>>77614243
A system that can't stand any opposition is doomed to fail. Fucking communists I swear
>>77619558
>Wew lad. Even after getting donations from the 2nd-biggest communist country ever, the Norks still starved so badly they ate most of the native wildlife, and had to grown genetically-altered giant rabbits.
The most pure capitalist country was Nazi Germany. I know it was called "national socialism" but it wasn't
Despite getting loans from wallstreet and going 101 billion into debt they were starving while the military/Hitlers friends lived like kings.
>>77605137
Troll or actually retarded? We're waiting...
>Garry Kasparov: Hey, Bernie, Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism. I Lived Through It.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/10/garry-kasparov-hey-bernie-don-t-lecture-me-about-socialism-i-lived-through-it.html
Hey Commies
When there is a wall between a communist and a capitalist country, remind me again, which direction are people climbing barbed wire to get into? Which side is shooting people in the back trying to escape?
I can never remember! It's universally people escaping from one of the sides like their life depended on it... But which one???
>>77619572
This triggers right-wingers
>>77619681
You've been pegged as at troll.
>>77619362
if your system utterly collapses because of a little international meddling then it's not a system built for proper sustainability.
>>77619298
>China is not true communism
GEE WHERE DID I HEAR THAT BEFORE
My point is that this "not true communism" argument is retarded
>>77619328
China owns 1/4 of american debt and its growth is 2 - 3 time the one of america
>>77619789
>basically a piece of concept art
Is that really all you could get?
>>77619775
IDK. There was a famous Canadain doctor who fled Canada because of capitalism to live in Maoist China. He was being paid 200K a year and he said capitalism was still hell.
>>77619362
>Nazi Germany was the poorest most dictatorial country ever.
LOL, commies are just butthurt that a less-orthodox form of socialism put so many of their kind in bodybags. Life in Nazi Germany was way better than the Soviet Union. Germany had free healthcare for working-class people even when Bismarck was still in charge.
See this testimony from a German citizen who lived during that time.
>Fascism is capitalism in pure form - Lenin
"Hurr durr, whatever I say must be true." NatSoc and Mussolini's fascism were different ideologies; but their core shared element was nationalism. Commies have historically always wanted to destroy nationalism, no matter what you autistis say, so that's why several nationaist countries made alliances. Communist terror cells all-over Europe were being directly-funded by the Soviets, such as the Munich uprising in 1918-1919.
>>77619010
Oh, so geography and the people matters now?
Statistically (relative to the time), Eastern-European countries had it better with Soviet Socialism. There is just as much corruption today, if not more. In Russia, 4-5 million live on the street. 1 million children.
And you can't say that it ruined the region either, because the region improved immensely with Soviet Socialism, especially during Stalin's reign.
>>77619087
>I don't give a shit about your personal autism.
Obviously you do lol
>All Niggers
Again, so geography and population matters now? :)
You are talking out of your ass. You see shit around you, and like a trained dog, you think that at least it would be worse with Communism.
>>77619389
Holodomor was not intentional, it's exaggerated and would have happened just the same if not worse with the Tsars. In fact, under Stalin they ended starvation in the region.
>>77619869
Ok so Nazi Germany capitalism is a shit system because it fell due to a little international meddling
>>77619789
Oh lovely. Was that a place where "The Workers" lived? I mean, communism was all about the people working being given what they deserve, surely that beautiful palace - should it actually have been built - would give ample room to hundreds of farmers and factory workers. I'm sure party leaders and bureaucrats would have humbly lived in those concrete bullet-riddled 1 bedroom housing blocks the USSR was defined by!
>>77620062
>Eastern-European countries had it better with Soviet Socialism.
tell that to hungarians, poles and people from czech republic
>>77619663
>>77619663
>Despite getting loans from wallstreet and going 101 billion into debt they were starving while the military/Hitlers friends lived like kings.
see: >>77620002
Also, quit pretending like WWII's effects had nothing to do with it. Life in Nazi Germany pre-war was cushy as fuck.
>>77619927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcXRkGoWms
This is real Chinese footage
>>77619976
Macdonalds is capitalism
>>77620002
Oh my God you autist. Life in Nazi Germany was a hellhole. The rations were so strong that the common man was starving. In North Korea everyone is given food
>>77620062
EVERYONE IGNORE THIS TROLL
hey /pol/, what's your opinion on this man?
https://www.youtube.com/user/pp000610/videos
>>77602986
>browse through thread, all commie posters are Yuros
How shocking!
>>77620146
yeah sure
>>77620202
life in North Korea is great. People who "escaped" have been caught lying.
>>77620271
You are communist and are American, but sure keep thinking that.
tbqh i hope trump wins the ellection in the US
>>77620062
>it's exaggerated and would have happened just the same if not worse with the Tsars.
Why precisely would the Tsars have sent massive amounts of food to other countries while the people who farmed it had their product stolen at gunpoint and starved to death? Seems an unusual thing for a government to do... unless they were locked in an ideological war that relied on massive export beyond what they were capable of.
Say Jimbo, isn't communism all about the worker enjoying the spoils of their labor? Seems like this Holomodor business what just quackers!
>>77620468
THIS!
>>77620062
Holodomor was not intentional
Doubtful, but here's one that undoubtedly was intentional. Thanks, Comrade Pol Pot!
Face it pinkos, THIS is the rotten, poisonous fruit of Communism.
>>77602986
>Not shitty Stalinist Communism, but proper Marxism.
Stalinist Communism is the only one that actually worked.
>>77620569
Sure that picture totally wasn't fake.
>>77620498
>Say Jimbo, isn't communism all about the worker enjoying the spoils of their labor? Seems like this Holomodor business what just quackers!
marx hated peasant, he saw them as naturally reactionary. it make sense to abuse them according to marxism since they are not the true proleteriat but something less and inferior peasants are not included as proleteriat for marxist theory
>>77620749
I fucking hate Trudeau, I like Trump.
>>77620498
sure
>>77620776
It need not be, the Khmer Rouge atrocity was well documented and of more than sufficient scale to allow for such an image.
Pol Pot was batshit insane, on top of being a Maoist asshat.
>>77620174
People from Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic, saw their western imperialist neighbors, and they see them today.
Also they felt that they were ruled from Moscow, just like people in the EU now feel they are ruled from Brussel.
I have spoken to a lot of Polish workers in Norway, saying that it in fact is not better now - just that they at least can blame themselves.
And obviously a upper-middle-class person would think that Capitalism is better if they only see themselves i the world.
>>77620498
Dude, don't you think I have heard this CIA gibberish 10000 times already? Holodomor and the Katyn Massacre are both Nazi-propaganda - Nazi propaganda that the West furthered the legacy of. Why the fuck would they intentionally starve Ukrainians? Most people in Ukraine were farmers. Posed no threat.
In fact - FOOD WAS SENT IN to Ukraine. Not out. Another lie. It was a massive failure of crops in combination with Kulaks sabotaging at the same time together with foreign spies.
If you read 100 books written by authors using CIA-paid sources (like Robert Conquest), you aren't getting any smarter. You are getting dumber for every time.
>>77620569
Did the "Communist" countries around the world support Pol Pot? :)
>>77621156
Noam Chomsky proved Cambodian genocide to be a lie.
>>77621217
you are stupid it was real
>>77620776
Also worth mentioning, the gathering and keeping/reverencing of the remains like that is a Khmer Buddhist thing.
>>77621210
Bullshit my parents are upper-middle-class and think capitalism is the worst thing to plague this earth.
>>77621322
And you are just trolling or 13-years-old
>>77621210
>>77621210
>And obviously a upper-middle-class person would think that Capitalism is better if they only see themselves i the world.
*hard working upper middle class person
>>77621293
You've been pegged as troll. You will be banned
>>77621522
A Polish upper-middle class NEET on /pol/ is hardworking?
>>77621210
Do you check under your bed for CIA agents?
>>77621217
>Hmmm, from my armchair here, I can surmise that if the Cambodian genocide happened, it would make me uncomfortable and sad, and it would be antisemetic to do that to a Jew like me, therefore it is a fact that the Cambodian genocide did not happen. Any further argument will be a hate crime, thank you very much.
>>77621379
You've been pegged as a troll since post 1.
If everyone reports this guy he will be banned for trolling BTW.
>>77621620
No, but I check the sources of what I read.
>>77621620
>Hmmm, from my armchair here, I can surmise that if the Cambodian genocide happened, it would make me uncomfortable and sad, and it would be antisemetic to do that to a Jew like me, therefore it is a fact that the Cambodian genocide did not happen. Any further argument will be a hate crime, thank you very much.
Strawman. Noam Chomsky admits the holocaust even though he is Jewish. He also petitioned to have a holocaust denier dropped of charges.
>>77602986
it's retarded
a different kind of retarded, but retarded nontheless
>>77621630
>If everyone reports this guy he will be banned for trolling BTW.
Oh good, a test to see if le communism will work. Ok, so you are playing the party leader, lets see if I'll "do the right thing" :-)
>>77602986
against human nature, possible only through inhumane treatment of citizens and authoritarian state employing various clandestine terror tactics
>>77621813
yeah sure
>>77620244
>The rations were so strong that the common man was starving.
Maybe during the war years, which was thanks to communists like yourself always trying to undermine European nationalism. You're the one talking out of your ass, but you're such a brainwashed commie that you literally can't realize it.
>>77602986
Kill a commie for mommy.
>I will be keeping what I earn. So keep your thieving hands off of it.
>>77607972
>Do you all just want what you have today but no muslims in your countries?
I want what we had in our golden age but with better tech and no Muslims.
>>77621217
I think you just lost all integrity with this post.
Even other commies like Mr. Sniffles said that Noam was ridiculous for denying the Pol Pot regime's deaths.
Just ignore those piles of skulls, and the fact that Pol Pot himself admitted he genocided people.
>>77621944
You're so brainwashed. Capitalists such as yourself have been trying to crush nationalism for one purpose, so your corporate masters can turn the world into a corporate ant hill. And you're too stupid to realize it.
>>77621891
>fifth time the only argument is the word "sure thing, budday"
See, this is the ironclad logic and practicality communism is known for! Welp, you've convinced this dumb capitalist. What labor camp should I report to comrade?
>>77621322
>my parents are upper-middle-class and think capitalism is the worst thing to plague this earth
Ah yes, the classic "champagne socialist." Of course you don't know how shitty life was in the Soviet Union; the grass is always greener on the other side, etc.
People in East Germany were literally awestruck by things as simple as blue jeans when the wall came down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
Required viewing, but pinkos are delusional and will never accept the truth.
>>77622170
>You're so brainwashed. Capitalists such as yourself have been trying to crush nationalism for one purpose, so your corporate masters can turn the world into a corporate ant hill. And you're too stupid to realize it.
Seems like all the globalists align themselves with the left, though.
Name some European communist parties that oppose immigration.
Tell me what is destroying Tibet's nationalism and culture right now.
>>77621953
Enjoy living in capitalism where you don't keep what you earn
>>77622131
Yet you capitalists like Varg and Brevvik deny the holocaust
>>77622298
Yeah sure buddy. Sure
>>77622417
I'm not a champagne socialist. Upper-middle-class people still are wageslaves and have to work long hours because big firms often demand long hours.
>>77622601
>Seems like all the globalists align themselves with the left, though.
No they are in favour of neo-cons like Hillary and Bush
>Name some European communist parties that oppose immigration.
The Nazbol party
>Tell me what is destroying Tibet's nationalism and culture right now.
I don't know. But let me ask you what is keeping North Korean culture alive?
Absolute degeneracy which will forever fail.
>>77621210
>Did the "Communist" countries around the world support Pol Pot? :)
Ues, and in fairness the US supported him during his rise to power because he was an enemy of the Viet Cong, because, again, batshit insane and their brand of repressive Communism wasn't HIS brand.
It is my sense that, as word of the genocide began to leak out, pretty much everybody was slow in understanding, and then believing, what really was happening there. They were fucking shooting people who wore glasses because intellectuals are bad, see, and guys with glasses look like intellectuals.
Spent some time in Cambodia last year it's pretty fucking wild, expecially when you look at the fact that the ONE trial of anybody responsible for the Khmer Rouge atrocities is still going on with no end in sight, Pol Pot himself died a free man out in a jungle village somewhere, and the current head of state is a former Khmer Rouge guy.
The approach of Khmer Buddhism to concepts of justice and even vengeance is hard for a Westerner to wrap his head around. I spoke with one guy who had been a prisoner at Tuol Sleng, one of the few to survive, his hatred for the Khmer Rouge was palpable, but he didn't particularly want anything done about it.
>>77602986
jew cucks, national socialists managed to escape jewcuckery by making it nationalistic. Similar to Christianity, a jewish rebellion against talmudism.
>>77602986
Marxism is a method of historical analysis, not a political system. Communism is not necessarily Marxist, nor is socialism. Fucking read a book goddamn.
>>77623189
Dam you're dumb. Read a book.
>>77623179
Capitalists have done everything they can to destroy communism/nationalism.
>>77622715
>wagecucks
Good thing my family are farmers. We still work hard, but at our own pace. You commies would call me a "kulak" and send me off to a gulag though, so fuck you.
Also, "wageslave" is a bold term, and mostly 1st-world bitching if you're a lawyer making 4-6 figures. Boohoo, you had to stay a little late at your desk job, Mr. Shekelstein.
>>77622814
>neo-cons like Hillary and Bush
Even the most hard-left people still support open borders, it's inseparable from their ideology. You can't claim that leftist being pro-immigration isn't a common trend in the West. Look at literally every "social democrat" party in Yurop, and even the majority of the outright Marxist ones. Meanwhile, right-wingers like Trump and Marine Le Pen get shat-on by leftists for daring to say muzzies need to be kept at bay.
>The Nazbol party
A minority party in Russian that means nothing.
>I don't know (about Tibet and China).
I'm not surprised a brainwashed, autistic, commie numale manchild like you doesn't know shit. Tibet is literally being destroyed by de-nationalization and mass-immigration; which is purposefully-induced by the Maoist government of China. Mao did the same thing when he tried to shit on Vietnam after the US left. Communism is just a soulless force of terror that erases nationalism so the bureaucrats can have more territory to govern with an iron fist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet
>>77618400
Not so much but taking Marx as an economic theorist and looking at what he said about the workers' condition being derived from where it is positioned in a capitalist system, if they're at the top then there is no revolutionary potential: If they're at the top they are not exploited, not needy and likely are the majority and through their labor, hold the wealth constituting some kind of harmonious Marxist economic ecosystem.
But yeah, how to get there?
I once argued with a friend about communsim. He claims that "after capitalism" they will "shrink the power gap" and make everyone equal and everyone will have a certain level of "sense" so there is nothing a person could do to harm society, ever!
>>77623791
>Good thing my family are farmers. We still work hard, but at our own pace. You commies would call me a "kulak" and send me off to a gulag though, so fuck you.
LOL no! Communists only sent LANDLORD farmers to gulags who wage-slaved people
>Also, "wageslave" is a bold term, and mostly 1st-world bitching if you're a lawyer making 4-6 figures. Boohoo, you had to stay a little late at your desk job, Mr. Shekelstein.
No actually he was a CA and six figures isn't much when you live in an oppressive system. My dad does make six figures but he says he has to put up with being yelled at by his boss 24/6 and being in CONSTANT stress
>Even the most hard-left people still support open borders, it's inseparable from their ideology. You can't claim that leftist being pro-immigration isn't a common trend in the West. Look at literally every "social democrat" party in Yurop, and even the majority of the outright Marxist ones. Meanwhile, right-wingers like Trump and Marine Le Pen get shat-on by leftists for daring to say muzzies need to be kept at bay.
Exactly! You say the globalists are against open borders. The elite are pushing to open Europes borders. The capitalists aka EU banks created the EU to bring in third world immigrants
>A minority party in Russian that means nothing.
Still is a party
>'m not surprised a brainwashed, autistic, commie numale manchild like you doesn't know shit. Tibet is literally being destroyed by de-nationalization and mass-immigration; which is purposefully-induced by the Maoist government of China. Mao did the same thing when he tried to shit on Vietnam after the US left. Communism is just a soulless force of terror that erases nationalism so the bureaucrats can have more territory to govern with an iron fist.
Capitalism is just a soulless force of terror that kills nationalists. You autistic fascist. Self determination and a nations people are more important than your cheap third world immigrants that you use to get rich.
A lot of Americans confuse Stalinism or Maoism with Communism.
Communism itself is a stateless society and return to communal living which exists in any human group or tribe before the establishment of a state. The first "anarchists" and "libertarians" (i.e. Joseph Déjacque) were communists.
However natural individual "ownership" of land or "private property" may seem in our society, in the long sweep of human existence, it is a fairly recent invention and has only existed with the establishment of a state.
Many classical liberals understood this distinction between natural law and feudalist notions of "ownership".
As Jean-Jacques Rousseau said:
>"You are lost if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong to all and the earth to no one!”
And as Thomas Paine said:
>"the earth, in its natural uncultivated state was the common property of the human race"
As Adam Smith, the father of free market capitalism, said (later cited by Marx):
>"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed."
>"All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
The idea of a state-enforced version of communism was developed by Lenin, as a necessary "transition" phase into the eventual stateless society of communal living. Of course, consolidating power in this way has always led to authoritarian regimes whom attempt to centrally plan economies with disastrous effects.
There did exist syndicalist (socialist anarchist) societies in Revolutionary Catalonia and Anarchist Aragon during the Spanish Civil War. The first "anarchists" and "libertarians" were communists and socialists (i.e. Joseph Déjacque).
I think the major flaw in communism is that it isn't possible to implement on a large scale in the Marxist or Trotskyist fashion. The Leninist transition phase of consolidating power ultimately leads to authoritarian regimes who will preserve their own interest.
>>77624218
But how can communism be implemented without revolution?
>>77624523
Capitalism failed every time it was tried. A bunch of third world trash flock in and drive the wages down. With communism you can filter what people come into the nation.
>>77624830
New thread
>>77624440
>LOL no! Communists only sent LANDLORD farmers to gulags who wage-slaved people
Also, people who owned "too much" land. My family owns 5,000 acres, and we do hire other people to work here (like 6-7, lol), so I'm sure you degenerate urbanites would try to gulag us.
>my boss yelled at me
>6 figures isn't enough
1st-world problems.
>The elite are pushing to open Europes borders.
And lefties are their footsoldiers. You're delusional if you think otherwise. The majority of leftists in the UK oppose Brexit.
>Still is a party
A golden needle in a cancerous haystack.
> Self determination and a nations people are more important than your cheap third world immigrants that you use to get rich.
I already said I'm a NatCap, that's why I support Trump, who is opposed by both the capitalist RNC elite, and leftists.
>>77624523
>There did exist syndicalist (socialist anarchist) societies in Revolutionary Catalonia and Anarchist Aragon during the Spanish Civil War.
Gangs of violent retards who looted everything in sight, and raped nuns. True heroes. Most "anarchist" movements were basically just like BLM dindu riots in the US that went on for a long time.
Lenin's "vangaurd" communism was pure shit too.
There's no point in chasing the ideal if all avenues to it are shit, and don't pan-out.
>>77625117
>Also, people who owned "too much" land. My family owns 5,000 acres, and we do hire other people to work here (like 6-7, lol), so I'm sure you degenerate urbanites would try to gulag us.
Depends if you pay them properly. It wasn't to target farmers. It was to target surfs to exploited people.
>first world problem
Actually getting harassed and screamed at 24/6 has always been a problem. That's what surfs hated about their lords is being put down all the time. Jealousy isn't about those who have more materialistic things, it's about those who have a higher social position.
>And lefties are their footsoldiers. You're delusional if you think otherwise. The majority of leftists in the UK oppose Brexit.
Brexxit is pretty left wing. It's the capitalist banks, oil companies, and factory owners who want Britain to be part of the Eurozone and to import cheap labour
>A golden needle in a cancerous haystack.
I wouldn't say that. About 20% of communists support nationalism
> already said I'm a NatCap, that's why I support Trump, who is opposed by both the capitalist RNC elite, and leftists.
I support Trump too. He is for nationalism, against the capitalists (mega-banks and corps who want to destroy the border) and Kim Jong Un endorsed him.
>>77624746
Communism is a stateless society.
What you're referring to is a later addition from Lenin, Stalin or Mao of a "transition phase" in which power is consolidated in a revolutionary regime before dissolving into the stateless society with natural communal living which is the communism described by Marx.
The issue being, of course, that this "transition phase" and consolidation of power ultimately leads to authoritarian regimes whom end up preserving their power and their own interest instead.
>>77625853
No communism is suppose to have strong borders. Look at Stalinism and Juche.
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