Alright /pol/, no shit posting or bait going on here. I want to survey this board to see if we can get to the bottom of America's shooting massacre problem.
You can say that radical Islam is the problem, but we've had multiple shootings where the shooter had no ties to any religion.
You can say we need to reform gun control, but nut jobs would simply find other means to create bombs/weapons.
You can say this is a mental health problem, but we barely understand the nuances of behavior as they relate to neurochemicals. If anything, prescribing disturbed individuals to SSRIs has made their condition worse. Even without drugs, are these types of people even diagnosable with anything concede enough to know that they have sinister intentions?
These are simply the loudest arguments I'm hearing in the public forum. If I am being to nieve to realize that humans may never stop killing each other, I want to hear why you feel that way too.
>>77543179
The nuclear family, bring it back and make it desirable.
That will stop all the mass shootings except the Muslims, and we can ban them.
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>>77543179
What are black people?
>>77543179
massive distrust, paranoia, and lack of community. It's a morality problem at it's base. No god, no morals, no standards. just vapid arrogance and immediate pleasures.
what about the mass shootings in France? Are you too young to remember the Oklahoma City Bombing? Killers are going to kill people and if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time your only chance may be defending yourself.
>destroy traditional values
>destroy traditional families
>saturate the job market with workers
>devalue college degrees to meaninglessness
>push diversity constantly
>foster divisiveness within communities
>force the majority to cater to the minority
>load up anybody who is angry, sad, or confused with drugs
>rob peoples' lives of meaning and pride
>be surprised when they start killing eachother
>>77543179
>You can say this is a mental health problem, but we barely understand the nuances of behavior as they relate to neurochemicals.
There is an emotional cycle every single one of us are a part of, along with an unconscious collective. Look into Freud's work of the id, ego, and superego if you wish to learn more and your reality might stay making more sense.
Degeneracy and third world barbarians being allowed in our country.
People are inherently shit
>>77543179
>shooting massacre problem.
>fewer people die each year than from drowning in backyard swimming pools
>niggers kill literally ten times more people each year with handguns
Explain to me how we have a "problem" with rifles among a population of over 300 million you shitposting liberal faggot.
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>>77543179
mental health
thats literally the only thing
islam is covered in that because youd have to be nuts to actually follow thorugh with any of that shit
We have a nigger control problem. Take them out of the equation and gun violence goes way down.
>>77544611
Wrong, but I'll check those dubs my man
>>77543179
radical jews
not
radical islam
>>77543179
>get to the bottom of America's shooting massacre problem
Individualism.
>>77545038
I'm actually pretty well versed, including in Jung's work as well. They are very important ideas for sure but there is no way Frued could have anticipated the coming discoveries of neorotransmitters. I think our brain chemistry and concept of the ego are more interwoven than we can grasp at the moment, which is why tackling societal issues from a mental Heath perspective is no easy task.
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>>77543179
America has a serious mental health problem. I blame our rampant consumerism, societal divisions and economic troubles
>>77545990
Mental health is more understood than you think it is. There are pretty consistent recurring themes in what makes people unhappy. Loneliness and financial stressors are really up there.
>>77545940
Interesting, I would love to hear you elaborate on this.
To everyone else, apologizes for my shit spelling so far. I'm typing on a phone and it's making me look like an ESL student.
>>77543179
>I want to survey this board to see if we can get to the bottom of America's shooting massacre problem.
It doesn't exist
>>77545990
Have you personally taken the time to put conscious thought into your own emotional cycle and separated yourself from it?
>>77546368
>count ends at 2013
It's gotten much worse dude.
>>77543179
There isn't a problem, in the EU there is more gun crime than America and we have quite strict laws on guns.
>Legalize marijuana.
>Everyone becomes lazy and content with their lot in life.
>No more shootings.
Fixed.
>>77544814
>No god
Good
>>77546315
People easily get isolated in society.
>>77546837
I think you're on to something.
here is my proposed solution: increase the number of armed para-military in most places.
I dont mean police or anyone who has the power to arrest or otherwise detain a citizen. their only purpose in their line of duty would be to take down a potential shooter. also repeal all and any firearm regulation, and encourage more CCs
>>77546315
>elaborate
Loneliness, despair, rejection, isolation, defensiveness, mistrust...
Evolution has not kept up with technological progress. We're tribal. Take that away, and there's nothing left to anchor to . A husk of a human being, alone despite being surrounded by countless faces. Every one of them unpredictable, and as dangerous in the mind as any tooth-bared predator.
No one to temper your quirks. No one to share in purpose with. No one who looks like you. No one anywhere. Seven billion grains of sand all apart, not one shore in sight.
Why does anyone lash out? Their world is infinitely dark.
>>77544888
I'm not too young to remember Oklahoma City. While that was not a religious motivation, you could argue Mcveigh was radicalized towards other ideology with the same passion.
>>77545453
Assuming you aren't shit posting, way to miss my question entirely you dunce. If anything, I implied that gun control is a red herring for this discussion. Try again when you have something more constructive to add.
>>77547319
how would we go about solving this? do you have an idea
>>77543179
>You can say that radical Islam is the problem, but we've had multiple shootings where the shooter had no ties to any religion.
When you turn on the news and hear about a suicide bombing or mass shooting anywhere else in the world, where dozens of people are dead, what are the chances that it's Islam? Be honest.
I'm talking about ANYWHERE in the world. This includes Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Iraq, etc.
>>77547461
Start spreading the word that the Nuclear family is retarded and extended families/non-traditional families are the way to go.
Put on weekly or bi-weekly local concerts on the weekends so the whole town can make socializing a regular thing.
>>77547319
This made me sad, anon.
It was very well written. Did you write that yourself?
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>>77547461
Short of hitting the reset button and returning to city-states, no, I have no idea. We can share blood, gods or culture, but dammit, we have to share something.
>>77547892
>Did you write that
Yes.
>>77546481
That is a very good question. Without going into to much detail, I have. Reading Denial of Death by Becker was the most lift changing experience for me. I try to experience my emotions as oppose to being lead by them these days. But to your point, I now feel like going back and checking out Freud with a new lens.
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>>77546837
We seem to have some parallel ideas going gents.
>>77547319
Thank you for replying. I would agree that we experience a schism between our animalistic nature and evolved sense of self. I would further add that the fact we are even having this discussion shows that there is perhaps a direction we can move intellectually as a species. Do you think educating people on this divide within themselves would make a difference?
>>77543179
Freedom is not free. It has a price.
And the cost is that lives may be lost along the journey.
Thinking that this problem cannot be solved in a single action or even a few actions may take you out of your comfort zone with the feeling of powerlessness .
But it is nevertheless the case.
The extreme solutions run against what America is founded upon.
>>77545611
this
ban jews from all media
>>77548285
It would need to be some kind of cultural/spiritual movement about brotherhood and collectivism.
>>77543179
Shooting massacres are statistically nearly non-existant and you would not know about them without the coordinated media hype agenda.
>>77548766
You'd know about them. Orlando and San Bernadino wouldn't have just gone unknown without media hype. It's a problem anon, wake up to reality.
>>77548766
Go tell that to the families of those non existing and hyped shootings
>>77547683
>the Nuclear family is retarded
that is the core foundation of civilization, it cant truly be erased IMO, and what do you mean by non traditional or extended family?
>Put on weekly or bi-weekly local concerts on the weekends so the whole town can make socializing a regular thing.
most towns already do this to some extent. do you think a shy person actually goes to or would go to that shit if it wasnt in place before? also socialising is a regular thing, and I dont really understand where your coming from with that
>>77548299
What's happenin' Capt. While I agree that both the problem and possible solution are logically multi-layered, i'm failing to see the necessity of violence in this context. What i'm asking is, how do these random shootings justify or further the pursuit of a free State?
>>77548478
So, LSD in the water supply then? Can't imagine how that kind of intellectual revolution would even be possible at this point.
>>77549129
It is not the core foundation of our civilization, it really only became popular 70 or so years ago. I suspect it was just a marketing ploy to make people buy more houses. Something similar to the engagement ring conspiracy.
>>77549132
You'd have to have an influential internet personality or author. A person to introduce this new way of thinking for Americans.
>>77549129
Oh right, extended family is grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, non-traditional is non-biological families, basically groups of friends.
>>77549345
This discussion is probably how religions start before becoming cult-like and perverted. If I knew how to show people the path to their own individual enlightenment/awareness without it ever being diluted by the pursuit of wealth or my own ego appeasement, I'd dedicate my life to that.
>>77549699
It doesn't have to be a religion, just spreading an idea. You don't have to worship something, just acknowledge that our current ideas on family structure are not reflected in our wild animal minds. There is a constant conflict.
>>77548859
50 dead, 50 injured, all because of the dissonance in the mind of a man whose faith clashed with his desire.
We're all inundated with mixed allegiances. What takes precedence: god, country or king? That's a bit lofty. Maybe friends are all that matter. Maybe, for the man so sunken in his escapism, an immaculately kept collection of trinkets. Anime girls behind the portal of a noose isn't a meme for no reason.
>>77549844
Loved ones and community are the answer, all of us working together for our country will ensure that all of our lives are better.
>>77549132
Violence is part of the human animal.
We have killed one another with swords & rocks before the age of guns.
In this high information age the mentally ill are more impressionable than ever.
The future solution may be the complete removal of that violent component.
Today we can only apply bandaids to open skull fractures.
>>77550194
>removing a whole emotion from humans
Yeah there's no way that would have negative side effects.
>>77549816
You've given me alot to think about since starting this thread, I appreciate the input man.
>>77549844
Wow, what a concise summation of our internal push/pull. Also alot to reflect on here.
>>77550497
Thanks for being civil on /pol/ man, seriously a rarity.
Is there a particular website which has statistics for (first world) nations and their murder rate per capita for the past 20 or so years?
>>77549699
I have actually done that and can make other people's emotions change, although I was born relatively egoless. Once you understand others, completely, you will understand they are like babies, completely ignorant. They cannot be blamed.
Consider this:
Stop and smell the roses. But why do I need to stop AND smell the roses? What am I stopping? Why aren't I already smelling the roses.
Now roses = happiness. Stop and smell the roses is stop and be happy while smell the roses is be happy. So how would one stop and smell the roses? By stopping and smelling the roses.
Does it start to make sense? It's emotional logic. It doesn't make sense rationally, but because we understand the feeling of it, it does make sense.
>>77551095
Lol I remember this, this is the stage where your nihilism starts breaking away.
>>77550426
Everything has a side effect senpai.
Every action a reaction.
>>77551409
I know man that's why it would be an awful idea to remove a whole emotion from the human brain. Everything is connected in there.
The real causes are atheism/secularism, the media , consumerism, the Internet and technology, and loss of real small communities.
These same forces going global are also what's driving islam to become more bold
>>77551755
We don't need Christianity.
>>77551823
well considering that so many of these shooters (if not fake) are demonically possessed.....
of course you the new-ager LSD pusher wouldn't care
>>77551095
"I was born relatively egoless"
This along with your implied clairvoyance that others do not have actually comes off as pretty ego stroking. Not saying what you are experiencing isn't a noble intention, but I think your thought experiment is getting lost in translation a bit here.
>>77551927
Actually, that was me who made the reference to LSD. It was sarcasm by the way, but nice try with the straw man.
>>77551927
Monotheism is a homogenization of spirituality. The god of Abraham was destroying communities long before it became the toothless fishy bumper sticker you know today.
>>77551927
>passing off severe mental illness as demonic possession
>>77551939
Egoless in the sense, I did not focus on myself, as I was content or probably rather never put thought into my in-contentness.
I also didn't imply clairvoyance. It's empathy. If someone lets you into their heart, they will feel you.
>>77551755
The causes are humans being human.
We like to point the finger,but we are all flawed.
Some more than others.
>>77549502
that doesnt require the eradication of a nuclear family. I think a good example of this would be my workplace. multiple family "clans" as our boss called them in a kind-of parody.now these families put everyone in there family over everyone else because we all eel that it is natural. yet when one of the teens cant stand there alchoholic parents for the night, or one of us doesnt have a place to stay for the night we all open up our homes. we are all a pretty close nit"family," but that doesnt override our real family. there is no nead to call a need for a nuclear family unit as bull shit, just dont close off anyone who isnt family
>>77552496
>nead
sorry, I meant need lol
>>77552496
You're kind of helping my point. Nuclear family is just parents and offspring. More than that is not a nuclear family. It's profoundly unnatural 2bh.
These mass shootings get all the media attention but the vast majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are either suicides or gang/drug related. In other words get rid of blacks and Mexicans, throw in some mental health reform, and voila U.S. gun crime and death rates plummet to European levels. Gun control is a non-issue.
>>77552676
>You're kind of helping my point
then I totally must have misunderstood your point. A nuclear family needs to exist in order to set up a healthy upbringing, but an extended family is a good thing to have to learn other mental skills and support systems. that is what I believe
>>77543179
>America's shooting massacre problem.
We don't have one of those
We've hardly had any massacres in the last century
>>77552911
Right, but an extended family includes a nuclear family. It's a nuclear family with more people.
>>77543179
Armed security companies- they clearly should've had more than one guard at that club. I'm thinking two or three uniformed open carry guards, and the companies that provide this service would also have one plainclothes concealed carry guard, and the plainclothes guys would float between venues- makes it harder to case the place like this guy did.
That plus more people getting concealed carry permits. I don't see how making people easy targets will be a good idea when a terrorist can get a gun on the black market like they did in France.
>>77552314
Fair enough, I'm a big believer in reframing most situations with empathy in mind too.
>>77553086
not necessarily, I think that the nuclear family unit should be put before anyone else in the extended family
>>77553188
Emotions are ultimately going to be a part of us. Dissociating from it is not a good answer for all, although it can be a teaching one.
>>77543179
Oh, there's a solution alright
