When have conservatives ever been on the right side of history? They only ever seem to stand for ignorance and stall progress.
>>77311419
>progress
>>77311419
define "progress"
When one side has the power it's easy to see it as always having the power
>>77311419
Why is progress desirable?
>>77311419
Conservative people are long dead.
What we see now is just a bunch of neocons, even in /pol/ you'll see people that call themselves conservative and praise the french revolution and feminism(the first waves, the extreme feminism is still a SJW only ideology)
>>77311639
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>>77312097
Historically speaking, conservatives have been on the wrong side of every social movement in US history, including gay rights, womens rights, civil rights, trans rights...
Not once has the conservatives taken a side that ended up being the right or moral side. Not once.
It's not just an opinion. Fiscal conservativism isn't necessarily wrong, but social conservatism has been proven to be toxic time and time again, and unfortunately in the US, those two go hand in hand.
>>77312323
"Wrong side of history" is subjective
>>77312500
I mean they literally have lost all of their past fights: minorities and women can vote, gay marriage is legal, etc. Society is progressing in the opposite direction of conservative social views, is all I'm really trying to say.
We're moving toward a more and more inclusive, accepting, logical society and we're having to drag the Christian right every step of the way.
>>77312323
'Right' and 'moral' are whatever you define them as, so conservatives will always be on the 'wrong side of history'.
Given that conservatism directly opposes all of the things you have listed as 'progress' I'm not even sure what your point is supposed to be.
>>77312323
Because you won you're right?
You're not a logic guy are you?
I would have prefered deporting all niggers to civil rights and fail to see the benefit in womens rights when I see birthrates below replacement-level in all countries it occured which forces them to commit suicide through mass-immigration.
Fags are alright.
>>77312323
Maybe they're on the wrong side but it's usually just to keep these movements in check. It's conceivable that without conservative those issues would become female matriarchy, straight discrimination, white genocide, ect. But the issues that go unreported in the media: the decay of family structure, the completely cucked school system, ect. are the ones that conservatives are on the right side of. If you believe either side doesn't do ANY good at all then you're just buying into the other side's propaganda
>>77312323
What is the winners write history.
He who controls the present, controls the past, he who controls the past, controls the future.
Please consider the depth of this statement.
>>77312637
That which is given can soon be taken away
Democracy, equal rights, tolerance of gays, legal bestiality, legal paedophilia, religious freedom, multiculturalism etc. have all existed in the past, there's nothing new under the sun
Everything thats not degenerate shit the conservatives are to credit. So they've been on the "right" side more than democrats.
>>77311419
What is the Cold War?
>>77311419
Since always.
They're the right wing, r-tard.
>>77311419
white
>The "right side" of history is always attributable to political leaning
Jesus wew Christ, OP you got some confirmation bias there; also I cannot stand this nasty little weasel phrase "right side of history," what a nebulous little catchphrase you've given yourselves
It's like you just claim history for yourselves and lord it over all of mankind
>>77312637
Except the SJW movement is puling us all towards a more prejudiced, close-minded, intolerant and unaccepting society with free speech and rationality being sacrificed on the altar of dogma.
Gay people are already being discriminated against for being cisgender
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>>77312880
>>77313039
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>>77313380
Conservative is fine. If you want to be on the wrong side of history and reason, more power to you. There are plenty of conservative intellectuals that I respect.
The problem is that every single Republican for the last 50 years is complicit in supporting racism and bigotry. The last 50 years has been spent by the Republican party fighting back against racial, gender, and sexual orientation based rights. The Republican party has been against every one. The intellectual conservatives, which however much eye-rolling, however much disdain, have fed the racist, nationalist beast during that time, in order to win votes. They decided that the lesser evil was to ally with nationalist white supremacist bigots in order to get power enough to implement conservative policies.
Well, now the inevitable result of that has happened. A nationalist, white supremacist bigot has control of their party AND THE INTELLECTUAL CONSERVATIVES WONT DISAVOW HIM. Oh, some have. And that's great. But not the ones in power. McConnell, Ryan, these guys are the leaders of the intellectual conservative movement, and they've all endorsed him and refused to withdraw their endorsements. That's inexcusable.
That's why now is not a good time be right-wing. The right-wing has put the county in huge risk, while legitimizing nationalist, racist, bigotry. Fix that, disavow that shit, then we talk about conservatism again.
>>77311419
lexington and concord
>>77312323
This is pretty funny. All those "victories" has certainly made ours a "Great Society" now hasn't it?
>>77311419
>progress
What is the destination?
>>77312323
That's some serious epistemological arrogance.
>>77311419
otto von bismarck
>>77311419
>(((((progress))))))
>((((right side of history))))
>>77313429
Yeah, you haven't responded to anything anyone has said, so I'm guessing that this is some pre-typed bullshit that you're being paid to copy and paste here.
Fuck off and die.
>>77312637
And as historically proven said society will continue to degenerate until it collapses or an Authoritarian regime restores some semblance of order. What is the End Goal of this Progress other than civil unrest and genocide? Historically and even to this day that is the end result of "Progress"
>>77313429
>McConnel
>Ryan
>intellectuals
>letting woman vote, segregation, abortion, rock'n'roll, hippies, nuclear power
>>77311419
Get off the internet Obama...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikjZo7w4pq8
>(((((enlightened progressive families))))
>(((((2 single mom lesbians are JUST AS GOOD AS A KIDS REAL PARENTS BIGOT))))
>>77313429
You have severe stupidity m8.
We don't agree with your definition of "good". Do you understand that that is possible?
>>77313536
>What is the destination?
>>77312323
Damn those stupid Republicans getting rid of slavery, ughh getting in the way of progress again.
>>77311419
>it should be ok to brutally rape in the their bleeding anuses children, cats, dogs, and amputate my own penis or vagina because whatever mental illness i have
>this is considered """""""""progress"""""""
>because fuck space exploration and robotics right? that aint progress
>>77311419
Thats what your liberal schools say.. they dont show you how niggers act
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>77311419
Well there was that time in the pic you posted?
But of course they lost and segregation ended and now blacks have no families or jobs or self respect and so they murder each other constantly in between raping white women and causing every place they inhabit to become an unlivable ruin.
>>77311419
>When have conservatives ever been on the right side of history? They only ever seem to stand for ignorance and stall progress.
The reality is that this is 100% correct. The problem is that now all the words have been fucked up.
The men who fought the revolutionary war were liberals, men who believed in liberty. Today the term "liberal" has been hijacked by the "progressive" which is short for "progressive implementation of Marxism". Marxism, fundamentally, is the antithesis of liberty because it cannot work without totalitarianism.
>>77313847
Stalins russia was militaristic, racist, slav-supremacist, antisemitic, christianophob, islamophob (and all other religions) and homophobic
Don't think so
you're confusing technological progress with human progress
also
>right side of history
>>77312323
Progressives were the initial supporters of eugenics and failed pseudo sciences like Lysenkoism which killed millions. They also support abortion, which if you apply any logic to it is the most glaring example of sickfuckery and hipocaracy of morals in western culture.
>>77311419
that's an image of heroes defending their way of life from gibsmedats. The rest of the world just hasn't redpilled yet, but they will eventually, given the state of South Africa. The US is a lost cause though.
History isn't a person, it has no morals. There is no right or wrong side. Only the winning and losing side.
>>77312323
>historically speaking
>LITERALLY FIFTY FUCKING YEARS
>WHEN EVERY FUCKING EMPIRE THAT ENTERED THE DEGENERATE PHASE COLLAPSE LESS THAN A CENTURY AFTER
... You people need to be slaughtered.
That complete lack of objectivity and that refusal of reality is far too common. It must be genetic. Humanity must be cleansed of your traits.
Your existence is infuriating.
>>77314243
>is the most glaring example of sickfuckery and hipocaracy of morals in western culture
Abortion is absolutely necessary to keep down the birth rates of poor trash.
>>77314136
>christianophob, islamophob (and all other religions)
Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism/Nazism can only function in an established Atheist Theocracy. If a higher authority than the state (GOD) is allowed to exist then the state's manufactured moral code loses it's effectiveness.
>>77311419
ever since before communists started rewriting history
>>77312815
Where did OP say other views don't exist?
>>77313072
The USSR was conservative as fuck.
>>77314136
None of that "ophobic" PC shit ultimately matters to the left. All of these terms are simply means to an end and only function as labels they can brand their enemies with. The Orlando shooting only demonstrates once again that the left doesn't care about gay people or anyone else that they claim to be helping and will drop them like a bad habit if it advances their goal of totalitarianism.
this is obvious bait but it's actually pretty indicative of how young leftists actually think
>>77311419
>When have conservatives ever been on the right side of history?
They have essentially lost on every issue except fighting economic socialism and nuclear weapons.
Doesn't mean they were wrong, they just lost.
>>77313713
Strawman: the image
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>>77313676
hahahahahaha ebin
>>77313847
Nice meme
>>77312323
You're right, Lincoln was on the wrong side
>>77315213
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/4o15je/runcensorednews_subreddit_network_these_are_the/d493bea?context=10
>>77313947
Strawman harder faggot
Since Conservative is synonymous with Republican, I'd say Lincoln and Tubman were on the right side.
>>77311419
"Side of history" and "history will vindicate me" are proprietary Marxist phrases. They are also meaningless. Maybe you will turn out to have been right after the Great Race of Yith battles the polyps and humankind are a myth.
>>77312323
What about communism, prohibition and gun control, just off the top of my head.
>>77314243
Eugenics is now associated with the far right because many "Progressives" of yesteryear were similar to modern right wingers. Woodrow Wilson was a member of the KKK and persecuted his socialist rivals.
>>77312323
You are taking a point of "morality" and defining it through your eyes as a way to discredit any counter-argument. It's inherently unjust of you to do so because you are applying your own ego into the debate rather than realizing that opinion is not a uniform entity and neither is law.
"Progress" has very little meaning outside of the technological world. "Social progress" is a politically loaded term that is normally used by one political group to define their ideology and how to better achieve it.
For example, Roman society but todays standards would be considered "backwards" and yet they were the most technologically advanced civilization of their era, culturally bountiful, and were the pinnacle of invention and social movement. It can be argued there has yet to be a civilization to exist that rivals what Rome accomplished on a national, technological, imperial, social, and economic level given its timeframe.
Your entire ideological argument stems from a very primitive outlook on human behavior and history and frankly it is rather naive as well.
>>77311419
Cold War
Crusades
>>77311419
Since the pinkos infiltrated and coopted the education system.
>>77314114
>term is hijacked
You mean like how the term Marxism has been hijacked to describe anything people don't like?
Also
>Marxism is inherently totalitarian
>who was Rosa Luxemburg
>who was Nestor Makhno
>>77311419
They won on guns in the US.
Also, income inequality is increasing which means income inequality is on the right side of history.
>>77315948
In the US many schools still teach creationism, neo-Confederate ideas, and ridiculous conspiracy theories about communist takeover and how the US never does anything wrong abroad.
>>77312323
Will you accept the same sentiment when it's the other way around? Honest answer please.
>>77311419
It is RIGHT side of history for a reason.
>>77311419
Probably when murder rate dropped tons as more states allowed carry permits. Could just be a correlation though.
>>77312323
He's not wrong
He said
>Historically speaking
We have lost every single war and conflict we've engaged in. He's right.
We lost in the Civil War, we lost in WW2, we lost in the Middle East, and we're losing now.
>>77311419
they were on the morally right side of the American civil war.
I think you misunderstand "right side of history" with the "winning side".
>>77311419
>right side of history
>right
subjective
>>77311419
>conservatives
>/pol/
I see you're new here.
Welcome!
/pol/ is a board of peace.
*drops mic*
>>77316741
>winning side = "right side"
that's not how morality works.
>>77313429
Honest question. What racist, sexist, and homophobic statements has Donald Trump made? Don't include comments directed at specific individuals. But hurtful generalizations about an entire sexual orientation, gender, or race.
>>77312880
Nice try there Dolfy ;)
>>77312323
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>>77313429
Your argument makes no sense once you step outside for more then 5 minutes
>>77311419
>When have conservatives ever been on the right side of history? They only ever seem to stand for ignorance and stall progress.
History has always proved conservatives correct.
Suck it, libtards!
>>77311419
you realize that the meaning of conservative is literally resistant to change.
you think change is always right? you're a fool.
>>77316048
>who was Rosa Luxemburg
>who was Nestor Makhno
Irrelevant and forgotten. Let's parse a section of the Communist Manifesto...
>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
In a "free" Marxist society, nobody is allowed to own property.
>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
In a "free" Marxist society everyone earns the same because what you earn beyond what you *need* will be taken through taxation.
>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
In a "free" Marxist society you cannot work hard to secure a future for your children.
>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
In a "free" Marxist society dissidents will have all property taken from them.
>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
In a "free" Marxist society all commerce is directly controlled by the government.
Cont.
>>77318782
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
In a "free" Marxist society the government controls all travel (they decide where you go, when you go) and communication (who you talk to and about what).
>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
In a "free" Marxist society all companies will be owned and controlled by the government. You will produce nothing that is not for the state.
>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
In a "free" Marxist society an army will ensure that you work and meet quotas.
>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
In a "free" Marxist society the government will decide where you live, and what industry you go into.
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
In a "free" Marxist society the government will have undisputed control over what your children learn. "Work Experience" will be compulsory.
>>77316048
>>77318782
>>77318825
Now, explain to me how totalitarianism is not inherent in Marxism.
>>77313429
Are your legs starting to ache from standing in your bread line for so long?
>>77319301
He isn't refuting anything just self-imploding.
