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>>77306334
>poorly-written
wew
You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.
Just ban mass shootings
>When the second amendment was written, they let the people own the same weapons the military used
>Which included the precursors to gattling guns, cannons, and mortars.
>>77306334
Shall Not Be Infringed!
I love how gun grabbers think 2A was the only word ever written on the subject. The framers were all highly educated men with an incredible grasp of the English language who wrote volumes of books. Yet according to liberals they didn't know how to make a sentence and had no understanding of commas.
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>>77306526
Holy shit. Based Yugoslavia
>>77306334
>implying gun control stops shootings and stops murders
>>77306334
The second amendment was made to allow the people to arm themselves from tyranny and prevent it.
That ideology will never be outdated by technology.
>>77306334
>implying black market doesnt exist
>implying criminals are limited by laws ( for some reason they are called criminals right? )
>implying a single law will stop terrorist and criminals to attack innocent people
I think USA should have never legalize weed, that shit its making liberals even more stupid.
>>77306334
The Obama administration is so shitty at shilling. If you flood an entire website with shills right after a shooting it's going to be pretty obvious and people will discard all gun grabbing propaganda.
>>77306334
Because the US military and our enemies are still using muskets. Gotcha.
The whole DEFEND AGAINST A FASCIST GOVERNMENT is a pretty stupid idea since they'd BTFO any civilian with airstrikes, desu. I like the 2nd amendment simply because no matter what laws we pass, criminals will find a way to get guns. And I like the idea of regular people defending themselves with equal force.
where does it refer to muskets? i cant find it
>>77306334
MODS
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>>77307003
how can I tell if an ID has one post?
>>77306763
DAS IT MANE
>>77306334
>be liberal
>almost all regular shootings are a result of black on black gun violence
>almost all terrorist attacks are motivated by islam
>guns are the problem
Worked well for France in November
So in that regard the 4th amendment doesn't protect your computer or phone from routine police search, hand it over son.
>>77306334
The mods need to limit the amount of threads that one user can make
>>77306526
Let's ban muslims and liberals first and see if that works.
>>77306334
>One post by this ID
>LOOK MOMMY I MADE THE THREAD AGAIN AND THE SHITBRAINS KEEP REPLYING
>OP posts occupy democrats shit
>never responds
>does this every day
a single post
>spam propaganda
>run away
>slide working
>>77306763
lame ass meme
>>77307152
you're an idiot if you think there's an easy way for criminals to get guns if they're outlawed.
Sure, criminals will still get some guns, and civilians will have them too. The amount would just be exponentially decreased.
Personally I think people should be able to own firearms, but it should be harder to get one (inb4 HERP DERP LOOPHOLE). Background, safety course, and test. I'm a gun owner and I like to think that I'm competent, but I know way too many incompetent people who should definitely not own a firearm.
did they stop spamming the ones with the blatant kike names attached?
>>77307275
MODS global rule 7 please
>>77307454
really makes you think
what did he mean by this
is X redpilled
hmmmmmm...
>>77307360
oh. thanks
>>77306334
People owned battleships back then.
>>77306334
Damn straight, McConnell. And if you don't like it, GTFO. The time to debate the second amendment finished 250 years ago.
>>77307489
Have you ever heard of a four winds shotgun? You can make it for five dollars in a few minutes out of common materials. All you're trying to do is put your totalitarian state into play.
Hell you can't even stop imported weapons unless you secure the border which is anethema to you libs.
>>77306334
Over 100 gays with guns shooting back at a lone gunman? That's the kind of mass shooting America is about.
>>77307227
Mouse over the ID and it will say "# post by this ID"
>>77306334
We still had AR-15s and the second amendment when there were virtually no mass shootings. So guns aren't the problem. This is a fact.
>>77306334
So repeal it.
>but it's hard!
Well tough shit Chad
Wow these guys are persistent
>>77307130
thats because they are NRA shills here to make sure we all buy AR15s under threat that we might not be able to buy one later
not that i care i like guns
>>77306334
Increase intensity of background checks. Figure out what kind of person they are OFF THE RECORD TOO. Check their close associated friends and family and build an understanding of their personality. Make being able to own more guns a pain in the ass, sure. But you're stupid if you want to take that right away altogether from free people.
Banning guns is fucking stupid at this point. Tens of millions of people own guns. If you think banning guns is a viable solution to stop gun crimes, then banning Islam is a viable solution to stop muslim crimes.
>>77307152
If the shit ever hit the fan 90% of the military would be fighting on the side of the right.
>>77307912
I'm sure you can mow down 100 people in minutes with a four winds shotgun.
Try again.
>poorly constructed failure of an attempt at a meme with "occupy democrats" watermark
>ancient nonsensical non-argument that's been disproven hundreds of times
>BUZZWORD(S)!
By their powers combined, he becomes Captain Faggot, poster of shit.
>>77306334
and your favorite amendment you use to commit sodomy in front of schools as a form of "expression" only covers newspapers
>>77307454
>1 post by this ID
>>77307453
This truly is the best way to detect b8.
>>77307958
First of all only about 2% of the population has a concealed handgun license. So only about maybe 6 people would be armed.
Second it was a gun free zone and law abiding gun owners wont carry there. So your fantasy of 100s of people all shooting doesn't happen and has never happend.
>>77308505
agreed, banning guns is stupid as fuck, but allowing people to purchase them without control is idiotic. Treat it like a driver's license. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to make sure someone can safely handle a gun and effectively/accurately fire it.
>>77307227
>mfw lurking for 6 months and just figured it out
>>77307489
I work in the courts system. The amount of criminals rounded up who own illegal firearms compared to the ones who bought legally is at least, AT LEAST, 2:1.
They buy illegal guns with the serial numbers filed off because they don't want them to be traced. Bad business.
>>77306334
>poorly-written
holy shit /pol/ i really fucking can't anymore
What would you think they just assume it would be muskets the entire time?
If so then they are retarded.
>>77308935
>Tests to exercise natural rights
wew lad
>>77307489
Oh, and I 100% agree about the background checks desu. Obama is not wrong about that.
>>77306334
The whole constitution should be banned. President Trump will not need it.
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
Bait
Making murder illegal worked so well, didn't it lads?
>>77308676
I can mow down 100 people in minutes with a fucking 1986 Buick you stupid nigger.
Or how about you just pack 4 Glock 17's?
Why. Are Liberals. So. Stupid?
>>77309027
>natural rights
>natural
christ, you're right - some old fucks really nailed it down the first time a few hundred years ago, and totally foresaw what the world would be like.
Not like "rights" have ever been reinterpreted or changed.
Brb counting the amendments to the constitution.
>Occupy democrats
I hate those idiots.
By the way, muskets aren't legally considered firearms in the same way other weapons are.
They don't require anything to own and you can even stockpile as many as you like, goes for almost all breach load weapons.
>>77306334
>what is elasticity clause
>>77309170
Why don't we see people mowing down 100 other people in Buicks all of the time? I think buying a POS buick is cheaper than an ar and ammunition.
Oh wait it's because people don't fucking do that.
>>77309193
The amendment doesn't grant the right you 1L idiot. It keeps the state from blocking citizens from exercising the right.
>>77309410
Have you never met someone who owns a firearm legally who 100% shouldn't have one? I have, it's fucking terrifying the amount of people I've met that shouldn't have one that do.
A lot of people's right to life outweighs the blanket approval of gun ownership in my opinion.
>>77306334
Can the mods just ban these hillary Clinton "correct the record" bots from4chan? It's getting out of hand
>>77309349
No because it's easier to make a bomb out of a pressure cooker, or fly a plane into a building with a few guys armed with box-cutters. Just because they don't doesn't mean they can't.
But please, continue trying to justify citizens not being allowed to defend themselves, which is the most basic right and obvious responsibility of any modern, intelligent human being.
>>77306538
>gatling guns
Dumb nigger detected
>>77309349
Hey, wanna know how some muslims in the UK killed a guy by running him down then hacking him to death?
Muslims will.
Enjoy your muslims.
>>77306334
Boring, unimaginative swill of no substance by any reckoning.
Fuck off Soros shill.
The more specific we develop legislation the more subjective it becomes only providing job security to lawyers.
I hate lawyers.
Ban lawyers.
>>77309596
>What is due process
>>77309695
>killed a guy
>a guy
>1 guy
Come tell me when 50 people get killed via being hacked to death in the UK.
>>77309596
>A lot of people's right to life outweighs the blanket approval of gun ownership in my opinion.
>I dont want a total ban though
Too bad the person who made this does. Go lie with your leftist ilk.
http://archive.is/B4kTw
Cuck.
>>77309937
I think a total ban is unreasonable (inb4 Australia, it's not as big as the US, and gun ownership wasn't what it is here) - but having a control on who can own one is reasonable to me.
>>77306334
>implying nigh-gatling guns didn't exist in the late 1700's
>implying the corruption of men isn't relevant today
>>77309847
So it's about a certain amount then?
By the way its 49, 50 includes the shooter. Not that you care enough to learn about these things.
Glad I know i can just kill 40 and you wont get mad though.
Our founding fathers warned us about this, they considered the right to firearms so essential it was the second right they listed. And they stated that this right "shall not be infringed".
We all knew this would happen. We knew there would come a time when our government would make their move to repeal the 2nd amendment. And we knew they would come up with some reasoning that would appeal to weak people who look to the government to create utopia on Earth. I think it may be finally happening. I have no idea how they plan to physically accomplish this, but I think Obama and our media/university classes are really pushing hard now. If Clinton wins this election, we may very well see the 2nd amendment repealed.
Lets compromise and only implement gun control for muslims.
>>77306334
1 post shill thread
>>77307099
The libtards want to recreate the national socialist party.
>>77310101
Consider your actions and consequences and justifications. He uses the same argument and by that argument many more thing would go. It's called precedence. Learn it.
>>77306334
Paris
>>77306334
>Muskets
citation needed
>>77306502
>poorly-written
Well you've got to admit the first clause is confusing as fuck.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state"
What purpose does that phrase serve in the matter of law? It's completely superfluous, but the founders put it in anyway.
No other amendment justifies it's existence within it's own writing, so why put it there? It's ridiculous.
>>77310339
>The libtards want to recreate the national socialist party.
Actually the National Socialists were fine with guns, they supported all sorts of gun clubs. Plus there's the fact that National Socialists would have just flat-out deported or killed many of these Marxist leftists.
>>77309847
Really. one match. 96 dead.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/21/deadly.nightclub.fire/
Next argument?
Sure, we'd love to stop mass shootings.
But we must respect a poorly-written constitutional amendment that refers to barely civilised religions.
>>77310512
They were fine with guns for the 'right' people. The national socialists prevented jews, gays, and other minorities from owning guns.
>>77310500
"A well regulated breakfast, being necessary to the healthy start of the day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed." Do you think the people only have a right to keep and eat food for breakfast?
>>77310984
I haven't seen one of those things, a sentence diagram, in like 20 years; holy shit.
Those pesky inalienable rights
You're right. We should have European gun control like Paris or Brussels.
Oh wait...
>>77310500
It's not poorly written. People are just much more stupid now.
>>77306334
>refers to barely functioning muskets
lol, it makes no mention to any kind of weapon, just "arms". the straw grasping couldn't be more real.
>Make gun free zones
that clearly doesn't work
>ban gun sales
Criminals just acquire them through illegal means and shoot up unarmed citizens anyways
>eliminate all guns everywhere
lol good luck.
>use time manipulation to eradicate the invention of ballistics altogether
someone loads up a pressure cooker and kills dozens anyways, or just uses a spear or something.
Theres nothing you can do. People are gonna kill people no matter what. The only reason Orlando was such a tradegy was because it was hundreds of people packed tightly into a dark, noisy nightclub with no escape. It was literally shooting fish in a barrel.
The only thing you can do is let people concealed carry to deter people from opening fire in the first place. If everyone knows everyone can be armed and trained to shoot back, are they really going to risk it? Literally MAD cold war tactics.
>>77306334
Here is your reply.
The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordinance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of the fuckers with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.
Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.
The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.
So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.
"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.
That's why Americans having guns is so important.
>>77306334
>the Colonies defeated the British with barely functioning muskets
>>77310500
Nothing about that is confusing.
>>77306334
The deadliest terror attacks in American history were done with planes and improvised explosives.
Banning guns would not stop gun abuse any more than banning drugs has stopped drug abuse.
>>77310500
It's there to remind future generations what the amendment is there for.
>>77310500
It was enforcing the idea that proper defenses must be administered by the people "militia" to ensure the safety of their own freedom as well as their country.
there is no dispute
>>77310823
good
>>77310500
>it's completely superfluous
It's the primary rationale behind its inclusion you mongoloid.
>>77307962
today i learned something new
>>77306334
>>77313873
Now what?
>>77306526
third post best post
>One post pump'n'dump
OP confirmed shill.
Abandon thread.
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>>77315374
i reply for shits and giggles, m8
>>77315374
>Implying I don't sage when replying to bait threads.
>>77306334
>Muh muskets meme
>Tfw machine guns existed before the consitution
>>77314636
>>77315024
No other amendment rationalizes itself.
If you support gun rights, fine. I disagree with you be we can have a discussion on that.
Just come up with a better fucking argument. If your argument is "muh 2nd ammendmend", fuck right off. We change amendments all the time. The constitution serves the people, not the other way around. The 2nd amendment is no more sacred than the 18th.
If your argument is "there's a lot of peaceful gun-owners who play by the rules and just enjoy having guns!", you can fuck right off too. We're talking about stopping mass shootings here, and your defense is because you like guns as a hobby? If civilians shooting artillery shells at random was a favorite pasttime of Americans I'd support stopping that too. "But there's thousands of people who are licensed to shoot artillery recreationally! Why should we take away their weapons just because hundreds of innocent civilians die each year as a result?". Sometimes as a society we find out that the old ways of doing things has harmful consequences, and we put a stop to it. I'll take decreased gun violence over your hobby any day.
If your argument is "banning/regulating guns won't actually decrease gun violence", fine. I disagree but that's a valid reason. Copy paste all the facts that support your side and I'll copy paste what the other people say too.
>>77316258
Do you think the gangs will turn their guns in too or just slaughter us once we do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4
Thank God for republicans for stopping a bill after San Bernardino that would have prevented anyone on the terror watch list from buying guns cuz muh gunz. The terries love you and thank you very much.
>>77316258
This is what happened to the people of Iraq when Obama took away the people's guns and then ISIS came.
>>77316459
No, of course criminals today will still use their guns regardless of the laws. But if we regulate/ban guns today then 10 years from now it will be much harder for a criminal to get his hands on one. And as criminals fuck up (get caught or die, they don't have a long shelf life), then we can get a bunch of guns out of the ecosystem.
And you know that posting "black people are thugs" graphs only works on people who already drank the kool-aid, right?
>>77316719
DAE the US federal government is literally ISIS?
i'm glad to see i'm not the only reasonable person on pol, though we are still vastly outnumbered.
"conservatism" simply makes no sense.
>>77316613
>cuz muh gunz
It's cuz anyone can be put on the list for any reason and there is no way to get off the list. The DoJ doesn't even need to tell you why you're on the list.
Obama could put the entire U.S. population on the list if he wanted to, then nobody gets guns.
>>77316999
>No, of course criminals today will still use their guns regardless of the laws. But if we regulate/ban guns today then 10 years from now it will be much harder for a criminal to get his hands on one.
Assuming, by then, only the criminals are left.
Say it with me,
SHALL
all guns sold should be like this:
http://www.safeguntechnology.co/
>>77317345
NOT
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>>77317508
also i say anything with no practical use in hunting should be banned entirely. people caught with AR-15s should face criminal charges.
>1 post by this ID
you guys fell for a slide thread again
>>77317508
>>77317607
fuck off tripfag
>>77317508
>>77317607
Every other trap ive known is pro gun. Why are you so autistic?
>>77306334
>muskets
>barely-functioning
Shit's reliable as fuck if it's not wet, albiet not too accurate.
>>77316070
The Second Amendment is arguably the most important amendment, and one of the most likely ones to be misinterpreted, both on accident and on purpose.
>>77307489
It's literally too late to stop. Do you know how many guns are in the US?
>>77317304
>>77317698
DAE the US federal gov is literally the Nazis? I thought you guys denied the holocaust anyways.
Well thanks for the solutions /pol/. I say "hey here's a way to change things" and you say "nope, sorry. We have to keep the mass shooting otherwise we're basically ISIS/Nazis". You've inspired my confidence that conservatives are looking for solutions to this problem.
>>77308037
>killing 30 with shotgun, sword, and ax
>27 were killed by axe, 26 with gun, 2 with fire, and one by strangulation
Holy shit, who were these people? Video game protagonists?
>>77306334
>>77306334
free speech kills far more people
>>77316999
>then 10 years from now it will be much harder for a criminal to get his hands on one.
No, then they'll just make their own and the market for illegal guns will just expand even more than it already has. Actually, do you even think most of those people even buy their guns right out from a store? What a fucking joke
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
Fucking stop it you morons. So easily baited.
>>77317917
Will you feel the same way about gun control when President Trump assumes office. Or, will you be scared.
>>77317739
autistic for disagreeing with you?
and i'm not anti-gun. people with no criminal or mental health history should be allowed to purchase guns that have practical uses like hunting.
>>77306334
>poorly-written
0/10
>>77306526
this post made me think
>>77306334
Stop bumping this thread.
See the FAQ for information on how to post without sending it to page 1.
>>77306334
>1 Post by this ID
Ignore these posters you dumbfucks. Besides show me where the word musket is in the Constitution.
>>77310523
That's just proof that the mentally disturbed will always find other ways to kill
/pol/ is the easiest board to troll.
>>77318137
>and i'm not anti-gun. people with no criminal or mental health history should be allowed to purchase guns that have practical uses like hunting.
Does this have a practical use as a hunting rifle?
>>77318302
because we want actual discussion and when the op is a faggot we talk among ourselves
>>77318018
>Actually, do you even think most of those people even buy their guns right out from a store?
Yes. Where do you think that Muslim fuck bought his gun? It's easier to buy guns than weed in America.
>>77318124
If he wants gun control I'm all for it. At least he would be offering to do something instead of all you lazy fucks pretending like everything is ok.
>>77306334
>muskets being referred to in the constitution
cute.
>>77318100
no, teh cops are withholding crucial specifics. it will come out soon that a lot of the wounded and killed were shot by friendly fire by teh cops themselves during the assaualt
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
>>77310239
If that happened I'm either going innawoods or joining the glorious rebellion.
>>77306334
How many armed protests do you see shut down my riot cops, compared to how many unarmed protests get shut down within hours? The second amendment serves its purpose today to give the people the ability to speak without violence being used to silence them. The handful of lives in the homicide rate that might be saved does not justify removing the last ability the people have to resist government. Once the second amendment falls, the first will be right behind it.
>>77306334
>missing the point
keep whining tho. that's all you can do. you don't have the votes
>>77318405
THEN FUCKING SAGE
>>77310500
It's "poorly written" because there is a niggardly insistence that it somehow doesn't refer to firearms, but solely muskets.
This is like saying medical laws only apply to drugs in existence during the time that law was made, and not drugs made after.
>>Everyone read this.
Learn it.
Link it in all anti gun threads.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
Police are not here to protect citizens, according to Washington DC high court.
Its on YOU
>>77310984
never saw a sentence diagram, how does it work?
I read it by combining the words that made more sense in the context.
>>77306334
Could you please point out word "musket" in US constitution?
>>77318566
>implying i don't
>>77306334
stop falling for the one post hit and run /pol/
>>77317767
You destroyed your entire argument in one sentence.
>>77306334
1 post by this ID
169 replies
Sage
>>77317607
The AR15 has more practical use for hunting than most hunting rifles. It's lighter, it's inherently more accurate than most other rifle designs, and while it uses a weak cartridge it's capable enough for small game.
>>77306334
>1 post this ID
>174 replies
>>77318424
>If he wants gun control I'm all for it. At least he would be offering to do something instead of all you lazy fucks pretending like everything is ok.
I did not realize you are going to vote for President Trump. I might start liking you.
>>77318424
>>77318424
if being on a terrorist no fly watch list and FBI investigation for 2 years after saying you praise al quaida and your afghan dad routinely posts taliban supporting videos, doesnt prevent you from getting clearance to work armed security for a private security govt contractor firm that secures federal buildings, with coworkers who complain about you making terroristic threats, then no gun laws in the world are going to prevent an event like this.
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
>>77306334
It says it's ok for cops to shoot uppity niggers too. Right after the musket phrase.
>>77306334
I'll bite
Name one time in the history of guns were a gun loaded itself and shot someone.
The Second Amendment was written for people like you.
>>77318334
sorry, i misspoke. and i admit that i don't know very much about guns from a mechanical standpoint, but they should be treated similar to how HRT is: lowest effective dose possible.
meaning the most basic guns for hunting should be all that are legal. nothing semi-automatic or anything like that :)
>>77318806
if you need something that sprays bullets to kill a deer then you probably shouldn't be hunting in the first place...
>free speech only refers to early modern English
>>77318490
>>77318490
lets not forget americans privately owned cannons and cannon armed warships
Hey faggot op, they also wrote the 1st amendment with no idea of the internet or xerox machine. if they had known retard libs like yourself would be shitposting 24/7 to destroy the country's fabric, they would have skipped it also
>>77318984
It doesn't spray bullets any more than any other firearm in production today. Bullet hoses were practically banned in 1934 and civilian production of them was placed under an absolute ban in 1986.
>>77306334
>barely functioning musket
I suspect they kept their muskets in high working order, since they used them to hunt, at the very least.
>>77318984
>vegan trap talking about hunting
best joke I've heard all day
13 Celebrities You Didn’t Know Had FBI Files
The G-men kept tabs on Steve Jobs, Whitney Houston, George Steinbrenner, John Denver, and many other well-known celebrities. Read on for the security secrets of more than a dozen American icons.
http://www.rd.com/culture/13-celebrities-you-didnt-know-had-fbi-files/
ignore and move on, nothing to see here
>>77318984
>meaning the most basic guns for hunting should be all that are legal. nothing semi-automatic or anything like that :)
So this is fine then?
What is your opinion on agricultural fertilizers as well btw
>>77306334
I was searching for that occupy democrats
>>77319049
>lets not forget americans privately owned cannons and cannon armed warships
:)
>>77319213
>N X you didn't Y
>>77318424
I was referring to gang members and actual criminals. These muslim terrorists are hardly a fucking problem. Funny how you missed the point entirely, but I can't blame you; you must intuitively know how full of shit you are so you take the retarded route and miss the point on purpose
question for democrats. do you really care alot about gun control? more so than terrorism?
![1514c82cb2864bdcc2c7f5ea344cc0cf[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TTDP8IH.jpg "1514c82cb2864bdcc2c7f5ea344cc0cf[1]")
>>77306334
Ya know what fuck it if they ban guns but let us keep muskets I am all fucking for it
Federal wide law passed MUSKETS ALLOWED FUCKING EVERYWHERE
We got an issue grab a company worth strength of your friends and shoot in ranks 18th century style.
Everyone gets a fucking blunderbuss and a fucking bandolier. Everybody walks around like fucking Blackbeard with a bunch of single shot pistols strapped to their chest
FUCK IT WE'LL RUN IT LIVE
>>77319382
No body cares about gang members since they are black and it would be racist to make a big deal of them shooting everybody up.
>>77309596
Yes, just as I have met people that shouldn't breed, like you. Yet they continue to do it. We should go back in time and make your parents fucking illegal.
>>77319204
my point is that any weapon capable of being a tool for mass murder in a short period of time should not be legal. seems pretty reasonable to me.
>>77319211
yeah i've never been hunting and definitely don't ever plan on it, but i'm an environmentalist and recognize that legal hunting is actually a good thing in most cases. we do a mostly good job of regulating the "sport" in USA and feel like sensible gun laws don't have to put an end to this practice.
>>77319251
i don't know what that is. why is there a gun stand on it like a sniper rifle?
agricultural fertilizers should be more heavily regulated. we're causing a lot of harm to the planet and actually deteriorating the health of our soil and it's a travesty.
>>77318828
Trump actually called out Islam while the entire progressive community threw LGBT Americans under the bus and coddled Muslims to make sure that their feelings didn't get hurt. I went to a vigil for Orlando in my city and they got a Muslim to speak about her feelings. Fuck if I'm going to blindly follow that side.
Trump says a lot of shit I disagree with (including gun rights) but at least he correctly identified who did this. Muslims are bigger homophobes than the mainstream conservative Christian sect of America has been in decades.
>>77318849
Your entire post just illustrated all the reasons why he shouldn't have been allowed to buy the guns he did, and your conclusion is "welp if our existing laws didn't cover it then nothing else will".
>>77319382
>These muslim terrorists are hardly a fucking problem.
If the best possible solution that all you guys can come up with is "things are fine the way they are" then I'll remain unconvinced. I'll trample over the gun rights of every conservative in this country if it means that we even have a chance at reducing gun violence.
>>77316070
Have you considered they might have been trying to hammer home that a well-armed citizenry is necessary to stave off tyranny, given that they just fought a war where a well-armed citizenry was necessary to stave off tyranny?
The First Amendment, specifically the right to freely express one's opinions that it guarantees, is the most important because the unrestricted sharing and debate of ideas is the foundation of healthy and free society, but no war was ever won nor any tyrant ever deposed by the strong words of an powerless innocent.
>>77319563
>Eddie "Wasn't cool enough for a nickname" Copelin
>>77311981
This
I don't like the idea of carrying myself, but it's something we should encourage anyways.
Let people make their own decisions on whether or not to protect themselves. I've seen what a government can do gone unchecked, and it's already happening here.
AND IF DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO DEPORT ALL BROWN PEOPLE, then you would think people would understand the importance of the second amendment.
>>77319645
>can no longer tell if troll or just incredibly stupid.
>>77306526
Really makes you think, huh. . .
>>77310500
Hey faggot read DC v. Heller and Scalia's majority opinion then kys
>>77319655
There was not a single solution offered in my post. I'm telling you it's hardly a fucking problem and if your solution is to create bigger problems and exasperate already existing ones, then I'd gladly trample over your stupid face if given the chance if it means that we have a chance of getting rid of you and your stupid cunt opinions.
>>77306334
1 post by this ID
205 replies
Sage
>>77319803
i'm always sincere with my posts, though usually i just come here to lol at the crazies :)
>>77320038
Yes, we're the crazy ones. By the way, I am Jesus Christ but I was born in the wrong body, notice me.
>>77307152
>The whole DEFEND AGAINST A FASCIST GOVERNMENT is a pretty stupid idea since they'd BTFO any civilian with airstrikes
you watch to many movies desu. just because people work for the military doesn't mean they wont stand united against it.
>>77318334
>people with no criminal or mental health history should be allowed to purchase guns that have practical uses like hunting
Why isn't defending my life, my property, and my family a "practical use" of a gun?
>occupy demokikes
>200+ posts
wew pol
>>77319865
I know this might come as a shock to you, but most Americans get upset when there's a mass shooting. Even when the victims are faggots.
So if you'd like to keep your guns then you should come up with a better response than "This graph looks fine, what are you talking about?".
>>77310500
>>77310500
no it's not, it's extremely clear .
well regulated: well trained and in top shape
militia: the people in each town and city
security of the free state: the continuity of a free country
>>77320170
uh ok.
>>77320291
i have mixed feelings about this, but a simple handgun that only houses a handful of bullets should be legal for this purpose.
>>77306334
but muh old shred of toilet paper!
The American constitution is the biggest joke in the legal world.
>>77320338
It sparked a discussion. Perhaps reddit is more your speed, they have upvotes and such.
>>77320381
Is a gun homicide any worse than a knife homicide?
How about vehicular? Strangulation? Bow and arrow?
>>77320381
Blacks and Hispanics cause that lad.
>>77306334
Fucking redditfags
>>77320381
Gimme the graph for "homicides with legally acquired guns", I'm legitimately interested.
>>77320463
I guess you would know, ausbro. Though it does seem like the left and right alike both now think that the entirety of the Constitution is 2A alone.
>>77316459
>>77316459
>>77316459
this 1million%. if you look at gun crime by race, the US is comparable to countries with 'sensible' gun laws like australia. the problem is not the guns, its the niggers shooting each other in the streets with them
>>77320381
get rid of nigger and we would be down there
>>77320381
Add each countries suicide deaths per day to the graph, and watch as the US gets overtaken by France and Finland among others.
>>77320452
What if my home is being invaded by multiple people, and/or a criminal who has a much more powerful illegal firearm?
>call the police
In the fifteen minutes it took them to get here Tyrone and his homies have already killed me, raped my daughter, and stolen my TV.
If I'm not even allowed to effectively protect my own life, then how can anyone else have that responsibility?
How can this even be called free society if I do not have even the most basic of human rights, the right to life?
>>77308037
we had full auto weapons by mail order with no background checks until 1964. where were the school shootings back then?
>>77320381
I know this might come as a shock to you, but everyone everywhere gets upset when someone dies. The answer isn't to stop people from defending themselves from the people that want to kill them or ruin their lives by robbing them and stealing their shit.
>1 post by this id
sage and hide you faggot bait biters
>poorly-written
Ever notice that no one ever bitches about the other amendments when they let us down? No one ever says "god damn that 14th amendment, due process got OJ off the hook!" or "we all know he's guilty, but we couldn't get anything to search him on. #repealthefourth".
But the second amendment, oh shit, that's wrong, how could such a thing happen?
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
>>77320520
Right, because Spain and Greece have a real bad bow and arrow problem. You know, all those stories you hear like "25 people were killed today in a bow and arrow mass shooting".
>>77320533
>>77320816
Like I already said, your race-baiting only works on /pol/acks who already drank the kool-aid. I love latinos.
And don't you guys claim that western Europe's currently overrun by colored people anyways?
>>77320626
I don't have that graph. But pretty much all guns in the US were legally purchased at some point. Orlando shooter bought guns legally. Aurora shooter bought guns legally. Lanza didn't buy the gun he used, his mom did. So whoop-dee do, really solved that problem there.
>>77320988
Who cares if OP responds, you fucking faggot? We're having a discussion here. Fucking summer
>>77320742
Honestly, it really is by international standards.
A typical constitution is the length of a short book and details the legal frameworks within that nation, including governing branches, divisions of power and legal processes.
Yours is literally an edgy statement signed by a bunch of half literate rebels who had no idea what they were doing.
>>77320893
the lives saved with sensible gun laws like i've suggested would far outweigh those lost in the very specific and relatively rare scenarios you've outlined. assuming there would be any.
gun violence is out of control in our country, and something must be done.
>>77309695
Already happened in China.
>>77321104
le edgy sage
>>77307152
>"Hey private, those American civilians you swore to protect refuse to relinquish their guns. Go launch some artillery fire against the town your friends and family live in, ya know, the one you grew up in."
Totally not gonna cause any schisms in the military.
>>77321218
>the lives saved with sensible gun laws like i've suggested would far outweigh those lost in the very specific and relatively rare scenarios
No, that's where you're entirely wrong.
>>77320923
I see. So when a man uses the existing legal framework to purchase weapons and go on a killing spree your response is "yup, that's the system working as it should. If those people in the club didn't want to be shot they should've been carrying their own weapons."
See how long you can get away with using that shit argument until we repeal the 2nd amendment.
>>77306334
Sage
>>77321197
>Thomas Jefferson was half literate
I can't fucking stand Australia. You have not given anything to the world at any point. Nothing. England sent their degenerates there, that's all you are known for, and all you will ever be known for.
>>77321359
i really don't think i am wrong, but even if i am these laws would make a lot of sense for the future. regulate guns now and in a generation or so (likely less, maybe a couple decades) the criminals you guys like to talk about will have a much harder time finding the illegal guns.
>>77320381
>>77320381
compare this to "homicide rate, regardless of weapon used" please, and also sort the bottom graph by %white european race instead of GDP
>>77309653
I think when he says "precursor" he's referring to a volleygun.
instead of firing multiple shots in succession, it fires them all at once.
>>77321546
A country that still uses napkins for money can't talk.
>>77321218
Then your position is that you, me, and everybody else on this planet do not have the right to protect themselves against their oppressors and abusers.
If life is so worthless to you, why would you want any weapon banned at all?
>the lives saved with sensible gun laws like i've suggested would far outweigh those lost
Civilian guns prevent tens of thousands of crimes and save countless lives every year in this country, often without a shot being fired. Just the possibility that an innocent victim may be carrying a gun is the ultimate deterrent against violent crime.
>Criminal having an illegal firearm
>very specific and relatively rare scenario
>>77318638
>>77321394
A Muslim went on a killing spree in the name of Allah. Tell it like it is.
Why not repeal the 1st amendment too, while your at it? People get triggered everyday by peoples violent words after all.
>>77306334
A FUCKING SINGLE POST
>>77306334
>1 post by this ID
If you have to make a comment, just sage. Fuck's sake.
>>77321723
That's the legendary Australian banter I've heard about? Weak.
>>77320381
>homicides per gdp
lol mental graphnastics
>>77310239
I was just talking with my wife about this very thing today.
If Clinton wins, and the dems take the senate (and god forbid the house) then they're definitely going to ban guns.
And then all the republican led state governments will sue the federal government.
and it'll go up to the supreme court
which will be stacked with libs.
and it'll lose.
And we'll have a second civil war, or possibly a second American revolution.
And the side with guns will win, because the other side is highly unlikely to use things like tanks and missiles on it's own land. They'd basically be losing the war of public opinion by winning the physical war. And that will just add more troops to the rebellion.
>>77321581
like how we made drugs illegal in the 60s? and currently, 6 decades later, they are so hard to find and get ahold of?
anything with huge demand is going to exist dumbass
>>77306763
Ive been gone for a few days. Did I miss a new meme?
>>77321759
you're putting words in my mouth, which i guess is to be expected here on pol. i just said that basic handguns could remain legal for self-defense.
i have no weapons and don't plan on ever buying one. and i feel safe enough, even as a marginalized and somewhat disliked LGBT minority. gun owners often seem overly paranoid to me, which is another problem in our country. we're taught to fear our neighbors when we should instead be building trust with one another :)
>>77322017
apples and oranges.
>>77321844
Banter is back and forth.
This is you being a dumb shit who lives in nation where you have a choice between electing Clinton or Trump, and think that is some sort of freedom.
>>77310763
and niggers
>>77321581
There are well over three hundred million guns in the United States alone.
The world is full of billions of guns.
How many people are going to be killed when your stormtroopers go door to door with their own guns to take every gun in America away from citizens who have done nothing wrong but wanting to defend themselves?
How are you going to stop guns from coming into this country? How many guns will you need to stop gun smugglers? Are you going to invade every nation in the world and take their guns? How many guns will you need to do that? How many people will you kill?
Are going to imprison every gunsmith in the country? Will you burn books on how to construct a firearm? How will your dictatorship enforce its rule without guns? How are you going to do the same to every other person on the planet?
How are you going to do any of this when the only way to challenge a gun is with another gun?
Somebody will always have a gun, and you will always need a gun to protect yourself from them.
>>77321394
Well if those people in the night club didn't want to get shot they really should have been armed 2bh
That, or there should have been more armed security guards, as well as the ones who were already there being very well trained. There's absolutely no reason that the, what, two armed guards posted there shouldn't have been able to take the one guy with the rifle.
Without the second amendment, the entire constitution and everything it stands for falls apart. Why not move somewhere else if you don't want to be American? There are already dozens of countries that appeal to your thinking and ideals. Why not go live in them? We real Americans have lived this way for hundreds of years, we actually believe in the constitution, the founding fathers, and freedom.
You ever actually hear "give me liberty or give me death"? People actually meant that.
>>77321581
You're right, that's when they start making and importing them. We'll have a problem with homemade gun manufacturers right alongside the illegal drug dealers and manufacturers. Then, there are less guns in the hands of the people who have every right to own them and defend themselves, but still just as many in the hands of the organized criminals, as well as a whole new illegal market opening up to the enterprising illegitimate members of society.
>>77322136
>here on pol
>pol
>not /pol/
just leave.
>>77306334
One fucking post. This could use some sage
>>77321774
>>77321774
this. our faggot president tries to say "what difference does it make, to call it radical islam? trump is just trying to play political games"
when some brown goatfucker is shouting alah akbar while mowing people down, then pledging allegiance to an islamic caliphate, and telling hostages that he is doing this so america stops bombing afghanistan....
well the difference is, you fucking retard liberals, no other religion on earth spews as much hatred or vitriol as islam. you want to talk about restricting constitutional rights? why not the right to free speech? which one really kills more people? until the liberal white-guilt nu-males and SJWs become honest with themselves, and face radical islam head on, these kinds of terror attacks will continue to happen, regardless of what gun laws are on the books.
this is the kind of shit you happily tolerate every single day in our country, because you definitely wouldn't want to be called an islamophobe!!!!!!
>Speaker at Orlando-Area Mosque Said Gay People Must Be Killed Out of Compassion
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/06/13/speaker-at-orlando-area-mosque-said-gay-people-must-be-killed-out-of-compassion/
>>77315869
? like what
>>77322148
OK. Why don't you worry about your own country and politics then? Why come to a US website owned by a Jap to talk American politics? You have no idea what is going on here.
If there were 10 candidates, I would still have to choose among them. Is that freedom or not? I can write in anyone I want, is that freedom?
Trump is the only candidate we've had in a long time that is looking out for our interests. Is there something wrong with that?
>>77322148
When did foreigners start using the "muh freedumbs" meme more than Americans? It has to be recent because it's in every thread now.
>>77322224
stormtroopers? lol. i never said anything even remotely as ridiculous as this. if you want to have a reasonable discussion about these things you should try again with a little less crazy.
>>77322239
>You're right, that's when they start making and importing them. We'll have a problem with homemade gun manufacturers right alongside the illegal drug dealers and manufacturers. Then, there are less guns in the hands of the people who have every right to own them and defend themselves, but still just as many in the hands of the organized criminals, as well as a whole new illegal market opening up to the enterprising illegitimate members of society.
i remain unconvinced that just as many would be in the hands of criminals. especially in cases of petty crime there would be fewer.
and i don't understand why a handgun isn't sufficient for self-defense.
the right's argument is basically: "we've already fucked ourselves this far, and now there is basically no way out of it."
which is unacceptable. we MUST do something about gun violence in our country.
>>77322239
>if those people in the night club didn't want to get shot they really should have been armed 2bh
Have you ever been to a nightclub? Do you think that when the bouncer pats you down you can just be like "it's for self-defense".
>That, or there should have been more armed security guards
I want to live in an America where every club doesn't need a private militia to ensure safety.
>Without the second amendment, the entire constitution and everything it stands for falls apart. Why not move somewhere else if you don't want to be American?
Oh fuck off. We nullified the 3/5ths compromise of the constitution, we've repealed an amendment before, this is still America. If you want to live your life according to what some 300 year old guys wanted then go be a farmer. I want to live in a country with less mass shootings.
>>77322663
>looking out for our interests
That is why I come here. For the witty American comedy. At least I hope that is comedy, or you are deluded as fuck.
>>77322549
not him but multishot weapons have been around for a while, and while called a machine gun at the time, is not a fully automatic system in the way commonly thought of today. it did allow for rapid fire though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
>>77309193
its called a right because i got it when i was born. you think i give a fuck if smeone says i cant protect myself
>>77322769
I know you are insane, but even with your vegan retard mind, can you understand that some people use rifles and shotguns to hunt? You can't kill game with a handgun. Some people rely on that meat to live. The world and country is far larger than you imagine it to be.
>>77322136
>i just said that basic handguns could remain legal for self-defense.
And I just informed you of the plainly obvious fact that basic handguns are not enough to guarantee your safety. Tell me why I don't have the right to adequately defend myself and the people I love.
>i have no weapons and don't plan on ever buying one. and i feel safe enough, even as a marginalized and somewhat disliked LGBT minority
Congratulations on living in a civilized society where you enjoy a life more free, equal, and safe than 90% of humanity.
What if I told you that no society is perfect and there will always be criminals and psychopaths who want to hurt you for no good reason?
What if I told you no society is safe or stable forever, and the government that keeps you safe today may neglect you tomorrow?
If you can't be responsible for your own safety, who will be?
>gun owners often seem overly paranoid
I don't even own a gun. I only recognize the very real dangers that exist in the world, and that we are lucky to live in a rare society that affords us the opportunity to defend our beliefs, our property, and our lives more than anywhere else on Earth.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of it?
>>77322805
Clueless. Exactly what I would expect from England's toilet paper.
>"1 post by this I.D"
>255 replies
STOP REPLYING TO OBVIOUS SHILL-BOTS
mods, can you please let us discuss the "1 post by this id" baits? Please do something about it.
>>77306502
fpbp
>>77318300
>So let's take away your defense
>>77322769
>stormtroopers? lol. i never said anything even remotely as ridiculous as this
Are you so sheltered and ignorant that you believe one hundred million law-abiding citizens will just give up their right to defend themselves because you asked?
Do you believe millions of criminals will do the same?
If you want to take away someone's fundamental right, then like every other tyrant in history, you will have to do it by force.
>>77306334
Now who calls whom shills...
7 gun-ban threads right now.
Really makes you think...
>>77323083
That's really smart of you to stop the graph at 1999. Otherwise people would see that the firearm homicide rate is lower than it's ever been.
>>77322769
>i don't understand why a handgun isn't sufficient for self-defense
Pick up a handgun and defend yourself from half a dozen Cartel members here to collect their protection money.
See how that goes for you.
>>77322791
>>77322791
we all do, but taking away guns from good people, (and the vast majority of people in america are good, law abiding citizens) does nothing to stop intent mass murderers from carrying out their plans.
these arent people who just get up on a whim and go shoot everything in sight. these are calculated, planned killings. the shooters plan for weeks, even months, years. the orlando shooter scouted multiple venues to carry out his attack including disneyland and some other clubs. he would take the time to make a bomb/gun/buy them illegally to carry out his plan. thats what scares people, there really isnt a good way to combat these sorts of attacks without drastically restricting freedoms of lawful people. you same libs are the ones who complained about the NSA snooping.
educating people from the start, as children, to be awarene of weirdos and report them would be infinitely more effective. literally all the mass shooters/school shooters have always had people who knew them come up after the fact, and say, yeah that guy was always saying shit about how much he wanted to kill, etc. i thought he was just joking so i never reported it...there are always warning signs.
the orlando shooter was fucking dancing in his highschool classroom on 9/11 and cheering as the planes crashed in the buildings. how is that for a well assimilating immigrant muslim?
>>77322976
yeah of course. i was only talking about handguns because other people assumed i didn't want them to own firearms for self-defense, which is absolutely untrue.
>>77323083
>And I just informed you of the plainly obvious fact that basic handguns are not enough to guarantee your safety. Tell me why I don't have the right to adequately defend myself and the people I love.
no matter how big your gun, there is no guarantee to safety. especially in a gunfight.
>Congratulations on living in a civilized society where you enjoy a life more free, equal, and safe than 90% of humanity.
>What if I told you that no society is perfect and there will always be criminals and psychopaths who want to hurt you for no good reason?
>What if I told you no society is safe or stable forever, and the government that keeps you safe today may neglect you tomorrow?
>If you can't be responsible for your own safety, who will be?
i am responsible for my own safety. and of course there is no guarantee to safety, but i don't live my life in fear like many of you seem to.
>I don't even own a gun. I only recognize the very real dangers that exist in the world, and that we are lucky to live in a rare society that affords us the opportunity to defend our beliefs, our property, and our lives more than anywhere else on Earth.
>Why wouldn't you take advantage of it?
yes we are very lucky. and yes dangers will always exist. really not sure what you're trying to say here.
>>77323376
whyd you stop at 2009? where is 2015
>>77323376
That's really smart of you to post a graph representing a completely different information set than the one I posted and act like you're correcting me on anything.
>>77306334
According to this logic, freedom of press would only apply to newspapers and not television or the Internet.
>>77323229
>Are you so sheltered and ignorant that you believe one hundred million law-abiding citizens will just give up their right to defend themselves because you asked?
>Do you believe millions of criminals will do the same?
>If you want to take away someone's fundamental right, then like every other tyrant in history, you will have to do it by force.
people are always free to break the law if they want. but if they're caught with the illegal guns, like at a gun range or something, people should have their weapons confiscated. and they should face heavy fines and possibly jailtime.
this doesn't mean we would have people going door to door to look for illegal items. we don't do this with illegal items currently so i'm not sure why you would assume we would in this case.
>>77323380
yeah i can say with confidence that i will never be faced with that situation. more unfounded paranoia from the right :/
>>77322791
And I want to live in a world where I don't need a gun to defend myself from people that could potentially hurt me. I don't want to live in a country with more crime because some retards don't know how to solve the problem without being pants on head retarded and making a huge mess of things because they "want to live in an America where every club doesn't need a private militia".
That last part is just stupid. What, you don't think that public places should have armed and trained guards to keep you safe? Why do you want to make the entire country less safe so that some high population areas can experience a tiny increase in safety at the expense of the entire area becoming increasingly less safe?
There's no problem with wanting these things not to exist. That's only natural. It's a problem when you're a fucking retard that tries to change everything without knowing anything so you can force your retarded opinions down other people's throats because you actually fell for the fucking "I want to feel safe" meme. If you want to feel safe, verse yourself in self defense tactics, buy a gun, and learn to pay attention to your surroundings.
Fucking honestly the worst part about your retarded thinking is that you don't want the people in authority to bear the responsibility of actually providing the personnel that are necessary to keep you safe. If you go to a night club you still have to put up with a bunch of burly motherfuckers that can kick your ass and throw you out at any time, what is the fucking difference if they are armed with something as easily hidden as a handgun and actually trained to proficiency in them? That's the most reasonable solution, and the one that will always end with the least amount of death and the highest degree of safety.
It's almost like you pulled it out of your ass because you know you're full of shit and that's the only way to make an effective appeal to emotion to support your half assed opinions. Wow!
>>77306334
>1 post by this user
Holy shit. Libaiter has done it again.
It's actually well written and clear.
>>77306526
Ban assault Muslims.
>>77323376>>77323547
yes this guy has a point, thats a homicide rate chart. homicide rates have fallen in the last 10 years overall. he posted a firearms crime chart, which doenst necessarily mean homicide, but things like armed robbery etc. also violent crime goes up while legal firearm ownership goes down
>>77306763
>>77306780
>tfw you pretty much started this meme
Feels good man. I've been pointing this out for a year now and /pol/ is finally starting to catch on.
>>77323391
>taking away guns from good people, (and the vast majority of people in america are good, law abiding citizens) does nothing to stop intent mass murderers from carrying out their plans.
You guys are acting like these mass murders didn't buy their guns through legit means. If Muhammad bought a rifle today legally and didn't commit a crime with it you would call him a good, law abiding citizen. If he went out tomorrow with that gun and murdered 50 people with it then suddenly you're like "well there was no way to prevent this. He was simply a man who was on a terrorist watch list and celebrated on 9/11, and as such we must respect his right to purchase firearms".
My position is the fact that any law abiding citizen in America can buy a gun at a Walmart is the problem.
>>77323839
b-b-ut they preach love and peace in our mosques! they are just moderates! only the radical ones go on killing sprees!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/06/13/speaker-at-orlando-area-mosque-said-gay-people-must-be-killed-out-of-compassion/
>>77323947
330 million other americans didnt go on a shooting spree and wont in their lifetimes
mass shooters are an extremely extremely low percentage of the population dumbass
>>77319645
>gun stand
>>77306526
B-but they'll win.
>>77323507
>there is no guarantee to safety. especially in a gunfight
A gunfight where one side has guns and the other doesn't is called a massacre.
>of course there is no guarantee to safety, but i don't live my life in fear like many of you seem to.
You have the right to be ignorant, not the right to enforce your ignorance on others.
>yes we are very lucky. and yes dangers will always exist. really not sure what you're trying to say here.
I'm questioning why you're trying to stop other people from protecting themselves from those dangers.
>>77323717
>people are always free to break the law if they want
No, they're not. Laws are laws, not suggestions. When somebody is breaking the law, law enforcement is supposed to stop them from continuing to break the law and impose the penalty for breaking that law.
A law that is not enforced is not a law at all.
All what you're suggesting would do oppress and anger millions of armed people without even effectively disarming many of them.
It's like you want the "right-wing gun-nut uprising" fantasy scenario to actually happen.
Criminals already get their guns taken away when they get caught. Other criminals still have guns. Making something illegal only stops law-abiding citizens from doing it.
>i can say with confidence that i will never be faced with that situation
Because you are, in your own words, "very lucky."
Other people are not. Why don't you want them to be safe?
>>77323947
>>77323947
he had lost his right to fly on airplanes retard, he was on a no fly list. if the FBI didnt trust him to ride coach in a shitty american airlines flight, why did the retarded govt agency allow him to pass a background check? you faggots need to push for better use of the already EXISTING laws. all the laws in the world arent going to do shit if incompetent people arent enforcing them (read, the same gov you trust to keep you safe)
as we speak, hundreds of 'refugees' from syria are being processed and "background checked" for fast tracked entry into the united states EVERY SINGLE DAY. if the retards at the FBI failed to spot the terrorist after 2 years of investigation, how the fuck do you think these same "background checks" are going to work? are you seriously fine with the plenty of "law abiding" syrian refugees the govt is certifying as safe, to move into your neighborhood and town?
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/11/obama-administration-surge-agenda-threatening-u-s-100-syrian-refugees-per-day/
you want to stop mohammad from committing mass shootings, there are FAR MORE PRESSING THREATS right now to your walmart shopping way of life, than the fact americans can buy guns.
>>77324456
>if the FBI didnt trust him to ride coach in a shitty american airlines flight, why did the retarded govt agency allow him to pass a background check?
That's my fucking point. Flying coach has a higher bar to clear than buying multiple weapons. And when I say "hey maybe this guy who LEGALLY PURCHASED WEAPONS maybe shouldn't have been allowed to LEGALLY PURCHASE WEAPONS" then all you guys come back with is "muh second amendment" and "more guns".
>>77324398
you really don't seem to understand what i've said so far. or your response was intended for an argument you would have liked me to make instead of what was actually said.
anyway i don't equate guns with personal safety. quite the opposite really. the solution to widespread violence is not going to be more violence.
>>77324712
>And when I say "hey maybe this guy who FOLLOWED THE DOCTRINE OF HIS RELIGION AND KILLED FIFTY PEOPLE maybe shouldn't have been allowed to ENTER THIS COUNTRY" then all you guys come back with is "muh first amendment" and "#NotAllMuslims"
>>77324086
I mean, duh? Every law is written because there's a few dumbasses out there who would do bad shit unless we stop them.
The vast majority of Americans would never use a nuclear weapon and would never dream of it in their lifetimes. That doesn't mean I want any average American to be able to buy a nuke legally if they wanted to.
>>77323947
to add some details, since it doesnt seem like you are familiar with the process:
anytime you legally buy a gun from a gunstore/shop, you have to submit to a NICS background check. NICS is created and run by the FBI. instead of blaming gun laws, why arent you blaming the FBI for failing to update their database, with possibly relevant information, like say, oh, the guy is a terrorist on a watchlist, and is the son of a taliban sympathizer from afghanistan? we already had laws to prevent this faggot from buying the gun, they were just not enforced and bumbled by inept government officials. why dont we focus on actually enforcing the laws we already have on the books, instead of adding more without solving the root issue?
>>77319645
Okay, I just showed up.
>Fertilizer
Not talking about gardening, like the Unabomber.
>stand
Its called a bi-pod frequently used for long range shooting.... but you shouldn't concern yourself too much... that could be for any long range shooting and sniping is a tactic, separate from whatever weapon is used.
You shouldn't try to dictate the lives of people in a culture you know nothing about. Even suggesting it, out of ignorance is insulting to me. Your ignorance shines through. Please stop, cease and desist.
>>77306526
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>>77324925
and i think you will find that 99.999999% of gun owners dont want the average american to own/buy nukes either. stop changing the argument, we are talking about small, man portable firearms, that offer targeted precise lethality, and with average training, can be safely handled and used by the majority of the population. a nuke does not fall into this category in any shape or form, the fucking nuke argument by anti 2nd amendment crowds is tired and old, and totally retarded
>>77308617
I'm in the Army and this is 100% accurate.
>>77324915
The Orlando shooter was born in America you retard. And up until the second he pulled the trigger in that club he was a legal owner of multiple firearms. That's the system that you're advocating for. Fuck your system.
>>77325329
>we are talking about small, man portable firearms, that offer targeted precise lethality, and with average training, can be safely handled and used by the majority of the population
Yes you're right. The average American, with average training, can legally purchase multiple guns that can be used to massacre dozens of people. I'm saying that's a problem.
Most gun owners don't kill innocents? Hooray for them. What about the psychos that do? Since when do we as a society just shrug and say "eh well some people want to murder a lot of innocent people, so let's make sure that everybody in this country has the capability to do so".
>>77324925
>Let's ban free speech because an incredibly small minority use it to incite violence and advocate treason
