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Can we get some info and images to remind our fellow liberals what the Government is capable of doing to women and children, especially when they want them disarmed?
>>77300950
liberals are just like religious fanatics.
even if you give them proof of how they are wrong they will make up some ad hoc bullshit .
>>77301105
Maybe it's because they haven't seen the graphic nature of it?
From what I can gather
>Bill Clinton became president a few months earlier
>Involved a christian group held to siege for 2 months
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>>77301477
I hear it was actually hillary that pushed for this seige
>>77300950
is there are term for the type of person who provokes an awful response out of someone that they were explicitly warned of, and then when it happens they play the innocent victim?
We should spam the fuck out of normies who weren't alive yet to remember those who were killed at Ruby Ridge and Waco. These are the results of letting your government be armed to the teeth with full auto rifles and tanks, and you with semi auto bullshit
I remember watching this unfold. Koresh was a nutcase, but it was disgusting how this was handled and how this was portrayed on the news. Was my first redpill.
>>77302165
Their handling was indirectly responsible for the Oklahoma Bombing.
Anyone have the vault door pics they released a year or so ago?
Conservative millennial here, I've never even HEARD of this. What the fuck?
>>77302165
Koresh was convinced he was a prophet of some sort, and that he was fucking young teen girls, but the fucker had people who believed and followed him more than willingly. As nuttty as he was I can't see how they did anything to get gassed and burned alive.
>>77302052
I lived by Ruby Ridge. Weavers were assholes. No one liked them.
>>77302453
>did anything to get gassed and burned alive
Disobeyed the government, which in their view was enough. Had it been a special interest group the use of force would not have been so extreme.
>>77301827
>Clintons get the white house
>Hillary tells Vince Foster to grab guns
>Shall not be infringed.jpg
>Siege
>During raid, incendiary devices ignite wooden structure
>76 Christians burn to death
>Vince Foster "suicide" 2 months after
>>77302574
Please elaborate.
>>77302596
Sven, the surviving members were tried in court and were not convicted of any crime. They allegedly had full auto rifles. You think that warrants that many dead?
>>77300950
>Claims cult is pedos.
>Burns them all to the ground including alleged victims of said abuse.
>>77303015
https://youtu.be/Xr9pQ1pIbiU
>>77302970
I never said that. I'm saying the opposite, actually.
Some people in the FBI were convinced that the Davidians were going to commit mass suicide, Jim Jones style, and there were rumors of child abuse during the siege so they wanted to get it done as soon as possible. Not to mention the fact that the fires that destroyed the complex were started from inside the building. Not trying to absolve the FBI of any wrongdoing here, but I think you guys are being a little unfair
>>77303015
Which is funny considering atf has no jurisdiction to investigate pedos.
>>77303015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDBAixXJdM
>>77303254
No leaf, the fires were started by grenades of various types, many of which were incendiary. Shit tends to burn when you start throwing in explosives
>>77303399
Here are the murdered children.
>>77303477
>incendiary grenades
burgers of all people should know that there is a HUGE difference between smoke canisters with small flames within, and incendiary weaponry
>>77302850
>1995 Timothy McVeigh bombs Oklahoma building in response
>2000 - final months of Clinton presidency, the official report states the Christians started the fire
>>77303254
>Some people say
Look! I found this pamphlet in a Jew's house, it's titled "Making Cookies Out Of Children!"
"Everyone knows" cults do mass suicides. But "everyone knows" isn't an argument.
There is no evidence of shots fired from the compound, there is abundant reason to believe no wrongdoing took place at the compound, the government started the fire, the government drove armored vehicles over the entrance to the underground shelter, the government played recordings of dying animals, the government never justified its siege.
>>77302970
The two kids were walking around strapped all the time and firing off rounds for shits and giggles near livestock. Weaver didn't give a fuck that his kids were terrorizing then neighbors and all his bullshit of "You'll never take me alive" had feds all over the fucking mountain.
>>77300950
More children killed in Waco than Sandy Hook.
>>77303971
His 13 year old son and who else?
>>77303696
You do realize that smoke gremades are still very capable of catching shit near them on fire? *explode is key word here
Waco is more a reminder of what happens when right wing gun nut nitwits try to challenge authority with their AR-15s.
Is it time yet to make these people pay for what they've done?
>>77304343
Don't you have some animals to have non penitretive sex with? No wonder you fags are so fucking cucked with a mentality like this.
>>77302052
need to photoshop a hillary logo on that.
>>77304343
edgy leaf
>>77304106
His daughter. Sarah was her name I think.
>>77304568
I suck at shoop, maybe a based anon who has skill can modify these and we can dump them on twitter with a #hillary hashtag
>>77304072
that's cause none were killed at Sandy Hook
Coming for your guns.
The prequel.
>>77304716
That's stupid that he drew attention to himself like that. Still didn't deserve to have his kid and wife shot though.
>>77302453
What about the way they evaided taxes, anon?
>>77304942
How much fucking tax do you feel you'd have to duck for it to be worth the feds to come to your house with tanks and burn all your friends and family alive? Further, how much tax have the clintons avoided paying with the illegal shit they've done?
>>77304942
I dindu nuthin
>>77304343
>sharp decline in gun ownership since the 1970s
but thats wrong you fucking nigger
>>77304343
> implying the branch davidians were anything but legitimate gun sellers
> implying the ATF didnt set out to have a showdown from the start
> implying that the ATF didnt start the shooting without warning
> implying the branch davidians challenged shit
youre retarded.
the investigation PROVED beyond a doubt that the ATF set out to start shit, started the shooting without provocation, deliberately prevented any other agency from ending the standoff, and deliberately started the fire to destroy the evidence that all their claims were bullshit
the ATF was INVITED to inspect the "compound" just a week before, and declined, because they were planning "Zee Beeg One" (a media event to justify expanding their funding)
these are the same clowns who thought smuggling guns to mexican drug cartels was a good idea.
if you want to believe the ATF are anything but a goon squad with blood on their hands, then you belong in leaf-land.
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>>77304887
Quite honestly, the area was a lot safer with him and his family gone. And it wasn't because of the Feds. They were just a sketchy family. We all lived up there because we wanted to be left alone. Having your neighbor's kids walking around shooting all the time while the father didn't care did not make for peaceful living.
>>77305817
close
it would have been dank as fuck though
>>77305617
Koresh even notified the feds to remove a meth lab that was found there when he took ownership of the property.
>>77304887
>kid
>wife
you mean kid-wives
>>77305921
its supposed to say
what a cook out
>>77304942
> implying a single branch davidian survivor was convicted of ANYTHING
they didnt evade taxes
they werent selling illegal guns
they didnt have "machine guns"
they didnt have "grenades"
they werent cooking meth
they werent making child porn
they werent abusing children
they werent a "doomsday cult"
they were a 7th day adventist sect that had been living on that land since the 1930's
they were well known and well liked in the local community, had an excellent relationship with the county sheriff, and were not engaged in ANY criminal activity.
>>77305903
What were they shooting at exactly, targets or what? That alone made you guy s feel unsafe? How close is their property to yours?
>>77305983
i thought they always got fucked because the leader of branch davidians was saying controversial shit about the govt
kind of like the bundy ranch fags
>>77305903
> implying the branch davidian "compound" was a single family residence, not a religious retreat for 7th day adventists
you dont live in Waco, you NEVER lived in Waco and are just pulling shit out of your ass.
>>77305947
No anon, we're talking about the guy from Ruby Ridge. He had three kids and a wife. Undercover feds tricked him into buying a shotgun an inch two short. Crooked feds got a warrant, came on his property, shot him and his kid in the back and his wife in the head.
>>77306278
You're right. I've never even been to Waco.
I'm talking about Ruby Ridge dumb ass.
>>77305933
>>77305617
>>77304887
Hello, I'm from /mu/ and I've never posted on this board before but holy kek who gives a shit about these freaks? Shame the children died but that was their parents fault for joining a cult.
>>77306445
>Hello, I'm from /mu/
kek
i post there too but you need to go back
its one of the most cancer boards
>>77306079
They'd just shoot at random shit whenever the mood struck them with no thought of what might be in the distance.
Have you ever been out hunting and have some asshole shoot at the rustling in the bushes because it MIGHT be what they're hunting? Kind of the same thing.
>>77300950
Why have I never heard of this
>>77306117
NOPE
they funded their religious retreat by selling guns LEGALLY
it was in texas for fuck's sake.
that religious retreat had been in that same spot since the '30s
david koresh was ELECTED to be their religious leader just like any of a number of religious denominations do
he was not a wacky doomsday cultist (any more than any 7th day adventist is) they were not "controversial" (any more than any 7th day adventist is) and they were not criminals.
the ATF rolled in, guns blazing. the davidians called the local sheriff to report they were being shot at, the ATF refused to let the sheriff end the dispute, the ATF refused to let anyone surrender, the ATF never stopped firing on them, keeping them pinned down, the ATF DELIBERATELY started the fire, and DELIBERATELY kept the local fire dept from doing their jobs.
it was mass murder for political aims, to whit, TERRORISM
>>77306291
Weaver sold them a sawed off gun.
>>77306117
What is was is this:
Government looked for an excuse to overreach, to launch a new paradigm of intrusion and expansion.
They had an FBI contact who didn't want to turn informant and screw over friends.
They murdered his wife and children, more or less before an audience.
Fallout was bad.
They needed a follow-up that would make them look good.
Cult leader? Stockpiling guns (so that he could be an FFL and sell them as Clinton unintentionally drove their value up)? Legally blind guy claims to have seen molestation? Count us in! What could go wrong?
And then OKC to make people forget Waco.
It's like a slapstick comedy of getting into more and more trouble, to make people forget about the last bit of trouble.
>>77300950
>resist the government with force
>get killed
I fail to see the injustice here and I am a paleocon.
>>77302384
>religious group living in a compound
>fed finds 'parts' for automatic weapons
>sieges them
>'accidentally' sets fire to the place
>>77306734
because youre an ignorant beige savage living in southern mexico
brazil didnt join the 20th century until the late 90's so naturally you never heard shit.
>>77306734
because you're underage
>>77302052
Ok since there's a thread on this and I'm currently on /pol/, can some anon redpill me on the Waco stuff? I know it's a big deal because it led to some of the largest mass murders in US history by guys who were down the rabbit hole (McVeigh, DC Snipers, etc).
But I don't know much about what REALLY happened. Can some anon help a seeker of truth out?
>>77307001
except they never found ANY parts for ANY automatic weapons, no explosives, no meth labs, not CP, NOTHING
it was murder by federal govt bureaucrats, the clintons and janet reno
and nobody was ever brought to justice for it.
>>77306755
>>77306856
ok i just read about it some
the government did indeed fuck up and try to cover their ass
>oy vey no grenades
>building burns
>first thing they find is gas grenade
>>77306734
>Not American and probably too young
This is why Oklahoma City went boom.
>>77300950
Did the Feds go into Texas and kill them all basically?
>>77307428
on clintons orders
>>77307428
They tried to kill government agents and refused to surrender. The feds had basically every right to do whatever it is they did.
>>77307292
>DC Snipers
Waco had nothing to do with those jihadis.
>>77302384
This was huge news when it happened amd for years after it was controversial. It's a big part of what fueled Timothy McVeigh's rage. Are they really just not even mentioning this in schools?
These events led to the murder of Vince Foster by the Clintons when he was going to spill the beans.
>>77307582
>every right to do whatever
>specially kill those innocent kids
>>77307428
>the ATF tried to get warrants to search the compound because there were "reports of sounds of automatic weapons"
>start to survey the place under the guise of 30 year old college students with new cars that never go to class and never registered
>try to get warrants by claiming a meth lab and automatic weapons parts are in the compound, despite the meth lab being given to the local police for disposal by the leader a while ago and the compound having tons of papers for gun stuff and no illegal things
>ATF breaches the compound on a barely legal premise, kill 6 of them and get 4 agents killed (who were former Clinton bodyguards)
>retreat, but pull the FBI in
>FBI sieges building for a while
>the FBI has enough and breaches the building, the cultists set fire to the compound (read: the feds set fire to it out of negligence/to kill 'em all)
>all of the cultists fucking die
>>77307292
> implying the DC snipers were motivated by waco/ruby ridge/the freemen
the DC sbnnipers were mohammedan terrorists.
they were motivated by the koran
the OKC bombing was a direct result of the clinton admin's draconian repression of all dissent at the birth of the age of political correctness
the lefties were constantly harping on "militias" and US service veterans as "potential domestic terrorists" when in fact if they hadnt started shit, none of these groups would have done shit except vote and lobby against the left.
the clintons created the current atmosphere of conspiracy theory, distrust, isolation, resentment, fear and rage
the world watched on as 76 people burnt to death on live tv..
then in Clintons last days in office, the blame was placed on the deceased
and because none were alive to refute these claims, history was written by the victors
>>77300950
Waco Bro!!!! Dude we should hang, I have a nice house on the non-ghetto side of town!
>>77307341
> they found a gas grenade
fired into the building by the ATF
according to the congressional investigation, the ONLY "destructive devices" on the scene were brought by the feds.
the davidians didnt have SHIT
>>77308055
Holy shit boomerang, hitting me with those feels
>>77307950
When the FBI comes to your house you are required to surrender. I'm sorry but this is just like the niggers crying over the fact that cops shot 23 year old "boy" who was violently resisting arrest.
>>77308254
>required to surrender
The ATF came in under shitty pretenses and killed 6 of them. They had no evidence that anything at all was happening.
>>77300950
Few people recall that every actor in Waco seemed to be "out of town" during that part of April.
>http//:www.actorsrollcalltexas.com/availabilities/April/a_z.htm
>>77307673
>>77308047
I see. I've heard rumors of John Allan Muhammad being motivated by the Waco Siege
>>77308211
tfw the more you read about it the more bullshit the "official" story gets
>>77305612
>It's a Horsey has replaced facts with his own opinion and is trying to pass it off as fact episode
>>77308254
>FBI can bypass needs of warrants
Jesus Christ, I'm Mexican born and know more of your citizen rights that most of you Americans.
People like you not only deserve, but BEG for what's coming your way.
>>77307292
It was a "message" to armed citizen militias that this could happen to you.
It didn't go over well with John Q public & was never forgotten how the Gov can overstep their power to try & remove your 2nd amendment rights.
>>77300950
>tfw pol is talking about my home city
>>77307582
> hasnt read the congressional report
> still swallowing the loads of creamy shit dropping from the clinton's anuses
the ATF started the firefight .
they didnt serve a warrant (though they had one, rubberstamped by a federal judge) they didnt identify themselves, they just rolled up and started shooting
the davidians called the local cops for fucks sake.
they didnt "refuse to surrender" the feds were firing on them with machine guns from helicopters (denied by the feds, but PROVED to be fact in the congressional hearings)
you cant "surrender" while taking machine gun fire from helicopters
https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt1037/CRPT-106hrpt1037.pdf
read this and shut your whore mouth
>>77300950
Dumb fucks.
Unless you have stinger missiles and anti-tank TOWS, you aren't putting down a modern army.
You might harass them with an AR 15, but a drone will fucking kill you.
People say if the Jews had guns, they would have prevented the Holocaust.
Well fuck that... The Poles were well armed when they revolted in Warsaw. German army put a quick end to that.
There is more to winning a war than having a gun.
>>77308578
That's not how arrests work. In fact that isn't even how warrants work. In America, the courts decide what is and is not lawful force. These people had no right to enact violence against government personnel. We solve problems with lawyers in America, not guns.
>>77301403
oh my lord.
oh jesus christ.
that's enough internet for tonight.
>>77308817
Sounds like we should be legalizing stingers and tows
>>77304371
Did they literally bring tanks to the Waco siege
>>77309116
yeah! they mobilised the army
>>77309116
yes
>>77308990
Well if the point of the second amendment was to overthrow a tyrannical government, then you need way more than a bunch of people with AR-15's to over throw it.
>>77309116
Yep, M1s, M2s, M113s, etc.
>>77309201
It's not about overthrowing the government per se. It just makes government tyranny that much harder to carry out. It's a lot harder to force cops/government agents/soldiers to do anything against the citizenry if they are at risk of getting fucking shot. Or to put it another way, it's a lot easier to mobilize government forces against citizens if those citizens have no means of violently resisting government coercion.
>tfw this is the event that red pilled me as a child
I remember I got locked up in Indiana when I was 18, and Tim McVeigh was being executed in Terra Haute. I almost got into a fight with some guy in there because I was calling McVeigh a hero, and he said he had family in the Federal building. I told him it was their own fault for working for the government.
Good times.
>>77309116
https://youtu.be/1vk_-Vuf2rY
Tanks equipped with flamethrowers
>>77308391
Janet Reno was told children were being abused in the compound. The US and allies had just stomped Iraqis in Kuwait. All armed branches of the US wanted some action.
They showed up in force in Waco and everyone knew it. Word spread quickly some shit was going to happen. If they had just waited quietly for Koresh to go to town for whatever they could have picked him up then.
I heard Koresh was wearing a charcoal gray suit.
>>77304343
>if i draw him fat and dumb enough that will make me correct
>>77309530
I can't figure out why you aren't on the Supreme Court!
>>77308254
the FBI didnt come to their "house"
the ATF rolled up and started shooting
that is what happened according to the congressional investigation, not some wacky fringe blog.
the ATF didnt say "we are the ATF and we have a warrant"
they jumped out and started shooting without any foreplay or pretense at "law enforcement".
bullets were how they "knocked on the door"
>>77303289
Thats all government slander and cover.
They went after waco because someone bought a bump trigger. And the Clintons wanted to ban those as they were popular at the time. Wasn't banned. Wasnt illegal. There was no pedophile ring. The gov used that as an excuse and forced false testimony from witnesses or would kill them or jail them on false charges.
>>77309588
>Janet Reno was told children were being abused in the compound.
But, they were. The Branch Davidians killed the children after killing David.
>>77308845
You idiot, you cannot surrender to a force that attacked without provocation. They just started shooting, there was no knock on the door. You are so fucking stupid. It's a no-knock raid, with abrams tanks instead of SWAT teams. The ATF never identified themselves, the FBI showed up later.
>>77309723
Not enough connections. It's all politics.
>>77309588
For some reason, even though Koresh made very frequent trips outside of the compound, they thought he was a shut in. They also went through with the strike even though they knew the Wacoers were aware of an ATF presence in their ranks and the strike's time. Fucking dumbasses.
>>77309797
And of course the guy organizing all of this under the Clinton's orders "committed suicide."
>>77309733
One group of ATF 'operators' decided to gun down the compound dogs.
This freaked the other group of ATF 'operators' who then opened fire on the house. This resulted in return fire from the Branch Davidians.
Thus, dank ATF killing dogs memes.
>>77308817
> implying the branch davidians were planning on fighting a war
they were 7th day adventists, not a fucking doomsday cult you faggot.
they werent planning on fighting the feds, the feds attacked them
they thought they were under fire from a street gang or terrorists, not the god damned federal govt.
>>77308845
The FBI showed up at their compound dude to suspicion. The people inside the compound denied the search due to a lack of a warrant. YES, the authorities had SUSPICIONS of illegal activity. SUSPICIONS do not grant access to detainment. Further more, the authorities (FBI) attacked the compound FIRST and killed 6 people out of SUSPICION. If you think one deserves the other you're bat shit insane.
It was handled extremely poorly bby the authorities.
I hope once they come knocking at your door that you have enough water based lube, that way they fuck your ass forever as you think they have the right to do that just because they're the government and "that's just the way it is".
>>77300950
Good, rebels should be neutralized whether they are armed or not.
If they are armed, however, it will just lead to the deaths of dutiful officers of the peace.
>>77300950
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>>77304887
Why can we see these but not Sandy Hook?
>>77310147
Because this happened.
>>77310147
Because Waco really happened.
>>77310299
>>77303399
>illegal weapons
what kind of weapons could they have that would warrant a federal siege?
>>77307582
It's pretty much been proven that the Feds open fire first. The gov also has "lost" shit tons of video evidence during the first day of the siege which shows them opening fire through the front door on Koresh while he was unarmed, and then shortly after Koresh's men firing back.
>>77310006
They knew they were being attack by the gov't. It still doesn't make them wrong. If you look at what they believed it is pretty eerie because it played out they same way they (the Davidians) believed. My memory could be wrong but they believed they would have to battle some army (Satan's?) and it would signal the end of them.
Born too late to explore the textures and depths of Waco. But this thread is very informative. I hope this comes to light and tarnishes Hillary Clintons political agenda because imo I think she's a cunt and needs to be eradicated
>>77310482
They were apparently manufacturing automatic weapons from AR-15 receivers. Of course, there was NO EVIDENCE of them modifying them.
>>77310646
It'll never happen.
The Branch Davidians have long been sold as doomsday cultists who were kiddy diddlers. That will never change.
All you liberal scumbags supporting the massacre at waco are so far from american, oughta ship yourselves out to red china and let them dine on you during that dogfest, which you probably make an exception for , as thats a cultural difference you know lol. Youre advocating the federal intervention here because this man was branded a certain way mostly by that other prophetic speakers testimony, after he was rejected and envious! Lol you have no respect for american values suggesting 100+ people be stomped out by tanks and burned alive because of a series of unvalidated false claims not even tried or anything, on behalf of fedzilla, true americans know what happened here and it was nothing less than a major injustice to america. Fucking liberals ok with burning a radical christian alive but the first atheist pedophile beaten by guards in prison deserves a great human protest as he has rights lol You idiots are in a pathetic class of your own ahaha ass backwards class, see me in person too before you waste time spitting your shit online, ill take you one on one old fashioned fist fight and beat your dumbass into the ground before ill argue online lol, then you can cry back to your mommies house and complain how the same government you defend is causing you undue injustice by not coming after me even though you were stupid enough to throw the first punch ahaha I could go on forever but its not worth it fuck liberals, they suck the shit out of the media and big business' ass and dont even know it lol
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>>77310386
Kek, good point.
>>77310482
The Davidian's had many weapons, like hundreds, and something like over a million rounds of ammo. But they were gun traders/brokers that were well known and liked in the area. The gov't thought they were purchasing parts to make AR-15 and AK's fully automatic (they weren't). Either way the Clinton administration and the ATF used this as a springboard for laying siege to them.
>>77304556
... there is no comeback for that, swear I'M no dogfucker though
>>77308845
> implying the davidians started the firefight
read the congressional report you ignorant faggot.
the warrant was a worthless sheet of piss stained toilet paper that would have been laughed out of court
the feds didnt serve the warrant, or identify themselves.
trucks rolled up in front of a religious retreat, guys piled out and started firing with automatic weapons (real machine guns, not civilian semi-autos)
no shit they didnt submit.
the feds never asked, they just started shooting
you dont surrender when somebody starts shooting at you
thats what the FRENCH do, not americans.
if somebody starts shooting at you, in america you can shoot back.
if it later turns out the shooter was a federal agent youre still in the clear if he didnt identify himself, and you werent engaged in any crimes.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/homeowner-not-charged-shooting-okla-police-chief-article-1.2082717
i know youre a faggot and wont read this shit but heres what went down
> warrant is issued
> cops kick in door at 6 am
> homeowner blasts the cheif of police in the chest with a shotgun
> wrong motherfucking house
> failed to identify himself properly
> police cheif apologizes to homeowner
whoops, looks like youre an idiot
1: criminals have no right to "self defense" against law officers doing their duty
2: if youre not a criminal you can shoot ANYONE coming through your door without invitation
3: if they knock on your door, ID themselves and show you a warrant, yeah, youre boned
4: if they come in like the motherfucking batman you can blast them
>>77310386
This
>>77305617
This. At least watch a documentary on the Waco siege before calling the killings justified.
>>77308741
>106th session of congress
>implying they weren't just trying to dig up dirt on Clinton
These are the same people that impeached him over a BJ. Alex Jones would have been a better source.
>>77310892
>like hundreds, and something like over a million rounds of ammo.
hmm
>>77308845
Every ATF employee should be hit with VX and made to die in the nastiest way known to man.
Fuck those cunts in particular, they along with the DEA are the definition of corrupt tyrannical assholes.
>>77311198
>These are the same people that impeached him over a BJ.
Clinton's popularity in the polls actually ROSE after he was impeached! No shit.
>>77307857
lel, I learned about it in school (very briefly)
>>77308845
>had no right to defend themselves from machine gun fire
ok Carl
Where did this "they didn't have a warrant" meme come from, IIRC they had multiple warrants for search and arrest, and if they saw armed men they had probable cause to search the premises
>>77311453
They claim that those warrants were not "legal" (as if that mattered outside of the court room.)
>>77300950
We need our guns
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/take-back-our-cities
>>77310042
WRONG on all counts.
the ATF showed up and started shooting
the ATF never identified themselves, never presented a warrant, and never offered the chance to submit.
the ATF's warrant was entirely entierly worthless
no competent judge would sign it, so they had to shop around for a stooge willing to sign that tissue of lies
there were never expected to be any prosecutions from this raid.
the fatally flawed warrant would have rendered any evidence gathered USELESS
it was all intended to be a media event to increase ATF's funding
when shit went sideways the ATF tried to destroy the evidence and hide their malfeasance
read the congressional report asshole.
EVERYTHING the ATF, FBI, DOJ, the clintons and janet reno said about these murders was bullshit.
>>77301921
What is an instigator.
>gun nets getting completely cucked
Waco was entirely justified.
>>77311453
>People with guns on private property
>Probably cause
t. Leafcuck
>>77311453
Apparently you serve those warrants with bullets that you send flying through the dogs, windows, and doors of the building even with kids inside.
>As they escaped, the third agent laid down covering fire, killing a Branch Davidian. As he made his escape, he hit his head on a wooden support beam and fell off the roof, but survived.
>the ATF is this incompetent
>>77311453
The feds served a warrant to Koresh. David Koresh then said he would comply after he was finished the Seven Seals, which was a prophecy he was writing at the time. He said it would take less than a week. The feds pretty much said "fuck that" and came back in horse trailers and opened up.
>>77307857
they talk about it in school but it is pro atf view and very breifly talked about
>>77311728
Generally toting weapons as you can see police coming from miles away is frowned upon, I hope you guys don't get your gun whenever you see a cop
>>77306291
I live near Sandpoint and hike up around Roman Nose all the time. I should visit the cabin site and pay my respects...
>>77311852
i cant even own guns desu
>>77300950
OP...didn't Waco happen BECAUSE they were armed?
>>77302384
Born in 87. It was glossed over in school. Learned about it from my dad.
Look up Ruby Ridge.
>>77311915
kek, I'm the "leafcuck" yet I own a gun and some americans itt can't
>>77311198
> never read the ken starr report either
have you ever read anyting more complex than a twatter post?
bubba wasnt impeached over BJs, he was actively engaged in criminal enterprises, lying to congress, abuse of office and destroying govt records
EVERY member of the senate who signed into the evidence room to view the actual evidence , democrat AND republican, voted to convict.
every last one.
only those who willfully shirked their duty and their oaths voted to acquit.
>>77311800
B E A M E D
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HOW CAN ATF EVEN COMPETE
>>77311864
It's private property. Good way to get shot senpai
>>77311852
Literally no one was brandishing a weapon towards the ATF before the ATF opened fire
>>77311800
They are. It was a major scandal. Several ATF agents left and spoke out at the time.
But seriously look up ATF Negligent Discharge. They really are a self-injuring mess. There is in particular one video where a black ATF agent, making a safety presentation to schoolkids, announces that he is the only person in that room competant to BANG and he shoots himself in the foot. Literally. Shoots himself. As he is talking about being the only one who can handle firearms.
>>77302384
>people are voting who have never heard of waco or ruby ridge
>>77303730
>>1995 Timothy McVeigh bombs Oklahoma building in response
An FBI provocateur encouraged McVeigh and helped him get the materials for his truck bomb which somehow compromised the steel and concrete columns within the building despite being parked outside.
>>77301105
Get this through your heads: they don't make up anything. They fully understand dead white people. That's what they want, they don't care when they see these pictures. White genocide is real.
>>77303479
Libs clearly will kill kids in order to save kids, kek
>>77311915
Neither can I. Legally. I can't own illegal drugs either.
Too bad laws mean fuck-all in the world when you're smarter than the cops and know how to stay low-key.
It's not hard to be smarter than cops either. Cops are just dumb goons after all, especially federal cops.
>>77312128
I know that feel bro.
>>77312100
I never said that they were, I just provided an example of what might give "probable cause"
>>77312001
i have a criminal felony record and mental illness
it comes up on background checks
>>77311453
> implyiing anyone said they "didnt have a warrant"
they DID have a warrant but it was worthless, and was never presented.
they rolled in shooting.
their warrants were a tissue of lies that they couldnt get signed until they shopped around for a judge who would sign anything.
the warrants would have been laughed out of court, had the ATF actually intended for prosecutions
the "warrants" were a pretext to start a shootout, nothing more
>>77305694
>>77305694
>20 rd mag
Govt incompetence tbqh
>>77304072
the official narrative runs that David Koresh an heroed himself and everyone inside.
FBI plants or "informants" made allegations of sexual abuse which makes it practically impossible for anyone to defend Koresh or even the rights of the the Branch Davidians to the lay folk because they just say " Well he was sicko and they were weirdos"
>>77312156
The head of the FBI crime lab resigned in protest at the mishandling of OKC evidence. The Air Force's High Explosives Lab proved that the U-Haul could not have done it. The initial rescue efforts were constantly interrupted by the discovery of more bombs.
>>77312371
Not to mention that these dumbasses were so unprepared that they told the news reporters that were there to call the police and ambulances.
>>77312306
understood
>>77312442
Source on resignation?
>>77312309
What did you do?
Is it schizophrenia?
Many normies don't know just how fucking deranged the Clintons are. They have to be educated.
>>77309836
despite there being no evidence... most evidence indicates the children were convulsing from the high concentrations of CS gas being metabolized into cyanide within their bloodstreams.
If they were shot by their own it was an act of mercy
>>77312559
The ATF were and probably still are the one of the most horribly organized outfits ever
>>77312615
I dont usually buy into the kid comparison pic stuff, the whole bills black son thing I found barely maybe plausible.. But this its just so clearly not Bill's.. And then there so happens to be a man near Hillary that she looks like also...
>>77306291
The wife was through a door too, I belive.
>the ATF only stopped attacking Waco because they were low on ammo
>>77311800
What you think this episode was about?
>>77312592
pretty much that
i got really fucked up on the klonopin they perscribed me and took a knife in public brandishing it at some one
tfw aggravated assault charge
>>77311915
what did you do?
>>77309836
>children are being abused
The ATF doesn't have jurisdiction in child abuse cases. If you honestly believe kids are being abused, you don't start a civil war where they live. Waco was carried out with the goal of boosting popularity for the 1994 AWB. They wanted an "AHA! SEE? WE TOLD YOU SO" moment.
>>77312816
Webb Hubbell used to work with Hillary at a law firm, then when Bill became President she told him to make Webb the Associate Attorney General (3rd highest position). Webb, like many other Clinton associates, eventually ended up in prison. But unlike most of those who went to prison, didn't end up dead. Why? Simple: he's Chelsea's dad.
>>77303696
research it. the canisters used there had strong enough gas to kill the children even if the fire didn't start.
>>77312406
>David Koresh an heroed himself and everyone inside
9 people left the building during the fire
>>77307857
my education never mentioned it.
>>77312980
Which episode is that?
>>77312919
Their tank even got stuck because a body was in the tracks.
>>77313006
Oh fuck. That shit is worse for your brain than whatever you probably already had. Sorry bro.
>>77303971
sounds like a legit reason to shoot his wife in the face
>>77313145
2 guys in a hot tub. Basically the atf just shows up to a meteor watching party and opens fire on anyone that opens the door to leave the party because they think its a cult.
>>77311800
>>77313156
yea i dont take that kind of shit anymore it really fucked me over for a long time immediatley and for the rest of my life there is a scary sounding charge to everyone
its not like i actually hurt anyone though they pretty much called the cops and they came and fucked me up
>>77300950
>our fellow liberals
/pol/ is not liberals
>>77313340
Took kpins a few times recreationally. They did nothing for me.
>>77313340
This is why I always warn people not to take benzos except for emergencies.
Nasty class of pharmaceuticals. Worse than opiates in many ways.
>>77313435
it made me black out but i wasnt unconcious all the way i just dont remember much of it
>>77313108
Notice something about the judge who helped Hubbell out with many charges?
>>77311967
Born in 88, I remember scenes from Waco and OKC on TV didn't learn what they were until later. MY dad was also big into Militia movement sand sovereign citizen movement at the time. In his time people mailed out rare books to their friends (Hoax of 20th Century and Myth of 6 Million come to mind) and they faxed newsletters because the internet/BBS was to technical or inaccessible for most people.
I guess that is how i ended up on /pol/
>>77313614
You drinking as well? Benzos and booze do not mix well.
>>77312156
Timothy McVeigh said this to a reporter on the scene of the Waco seige:
>The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.
>>77313629
It never ends with the Clintons
You all think it's hilarious when Varg burns down a church, but it's a travesty when the government does it... typical /pol/!
>>77301105
I never thought of it this way but wow. Your right.
>>77313420
he was talking to the shills / liberals in disguise
>>77312271
How does he not even flinch ?
Guns are as easy to get a hold of as guns, just don't show them off and post pics of them on social media and you should be good.
>>77313707
>blaming socialists for things that neoliberals have been doing
Why are reactionaries so fucking stupid?
>>77313757
DC judges should be appointed by a panel of state governors not the president for this reason.
>>77301403
I just put this on reddit
find it and upvote in /r/wtf
Sauce of gif lel
>>77313840
>How does he not even flinch ?
Cocaine and balls of steel.
>>77313850
there would me many that would agree these days with that sentiment
although blowing up a building is not an acceptable response
>>77310147
Congress.
>>77304343
Make a BEN GARRISON version, P-L-E-A-S-E
>>77313690
took way too many of them alone its like i kept redosing while blacked out on 2mg pills
fucking retarded decision but it was over a decade ago atleast so its over now besides having the charge on my record
>>77313757
Thanks to Bill Clinton they fucked up Yugoslavia as well.
And to think we're possibly getting his wife to "run" the country for the next 4-8 years.
>>77307857
American History teacher taught up to 1900. After that we had to make group presentations each covering a decade. Needless to say I can't even remember what I covered in mine. I only knew about this event from personal research into the Murrah building bombing.
>>77313204
Yeah, I think killing a federal agent played a part in the whole thing too
Waco was a false flag event. No one died. Wake up sheep le
>>77313707
Oh he was angry, and likely at little nutty but he was also provoked and encouraged by a handler who's primary directive was to channel his rage, give him direction and resources so as to set him up as a patsy.
>>77306938
government had no reason to even be there, no search warrant, no arrest warrant.. just guns and cameras.
>>77311852
Get it? We already have it. Why the fuck would you have to get it? We carry. My grandmother carries. When you turn 18 you can get your concealed. It's a rite of passage. God bless the 2nd amendment. Happy burffday, Mr future President!
>>77304343
A FUCKING LEAF
>>77314006
McVeigh even said that he regretted blowing up the building and would've preferred killing those specific feds 1 by 1
>>77311967
I have a signed copy of Randy's book. Poorly written but tells the story as lived.
>>77304343
>Waco is more a reminder of what happens when right wing gun nut nitwits try to challenge authority with their AR-15s.
Holy shit you're retarded, and have no idea what you're dribbling on yourself about.
>>77302970
this guy was had sexual intercourse with an elderly woman to become JESUS
he drove a CAMARO
collected ELECTRIC GUITARS
and lectured his followers about the BIBLE and Candian power-trio RUSH
>>77313054
The whole "Child Abuse" angle whether true or not was used to make the BDs the "bad guys" in the PR game. It should have had nothing to do with the motivations of the ATF.
To this day you cant get through to a layman over the legality of action taken without them immediately falling back onto "WELL HE WAS A GODDAMN PEDOPHILE SICKO AND WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DID WAS RIGHT ? YOU DON'T LIKE PERVERTS DO YOU ?"
>>77301105
Based Yuri about that in his lecture on Ideological Subversion.
You can throw hard facts at them and they won't accept it until they've experienced it themselves.
Can we spam liberal twitter accounts with "THIS IS WHAT GUN CONTROL LOOKS LIKE" superimposed on the charred corpses and maybe get #WACO trending?
>>77313136
Correction: I meant DK and everyone else who didn't escape an heroed.
Never mind the "video artifact" or "reflection" on the FLIR footage that looks a lot like machine gun fire shooting at the burning building
>David Koresh
>Convincing people that he is God incarnate
>Takes in hundreds of followers
>Starts taking followers' children as brides
>Has as many as 70 fucking children
>Thinks he can talk to God
>Thinks he is instrumental in ushering in the apocalypse
>Stockpiling weapons
There sure wasn't anything strange going on there
>>77314561
>>77313054
And you know what, even if he did, that doesn't warrant a tank burning down your home.
>kill the suspect AND the victim
>>77301105
This.
The SJW's and virtue signalling leftist anti-whites of today would have been witch hunting puritans 300 years ago. They are zealots and cannot be reasoned with.
They just traded in their old religion for cultural marxism.
>>77309116
yes they brought tanks.. and they ran over every vehicle on the property and destroyed their storage buildings and water tower.
>>77302453
Well it turns out that shooting at federal agents is a big no-no.
Who knew?
>>77314774
doesn't give the government the right to arbitrarily kill citizens without trial
>>77314774
>koresh
>kosher
it really makes you think huh
>>77314657
Even then some of them wont accept it and will just double down on their toxic ideology
http://conservative-headlines.com/2008/10/kirsten-brydum-her-own-friends-wont-talk-about-how-she-died/
http://www.dailystormer.com/white-woman-raped-by-haitan-savage-blames-white-civilization/
>>77314939
"Federal agents" are technically unconstitutional.
>>77315131
If by "technically" you mean "not in any way".
>>77300950
>liberals
to bad trump is another big government shill that will just allow this sort of thing to continue.
>>77311198
>impeached him over a BJ.
he was impeached for lying to congress under oath.. Clintons have a habit of lying.
>>77314975
Everyone that was in the compound when the fire started was there voluntarily. Parents who wanted to leave with/evacuate their children had already been evacuated in the prior months. Those who perished were Koresh's closest followers, and the children were basically all his. Koresh is the ultimate Dindu. He's fucking Jim Jones.
>>77314510
DELETE THIS. DON'T REMIND PEOPLE CLINTON DEPORTED ILLEGALS.
>>77301827
Just like Hillary pushed for the bombing of Libya.
She gets off to senseless destruction and murder. She is the very definition of psychopath.
>>77315305
One was a count of perjury in a civil deposition in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton (by a 205–229 vote). The second article was one that accused Clinton of abuse of power by a 148–285 vote. President Clinton was acquitted by the Senate; the vote to remove him from office fell short of the necessary ⅔, voting 45-55 to remove him on obstruction of justice and 50-50 on perjury.
it really makes you think
Yo - leaf - you do realize all of the mass shootings were done by registered democrats - right?
>>77308817
>There is more to winning a war than having a gun.
But having one never hurts.
>>77315369
They were unable to leave even if they wanted to because they were incapacitated by the gas the FBI was pumping in there before they started the fire you fucking sociopath.
>>77315369
it was a bit hard to get out surrounded by army tanks and shoot to kill snipers
but because they're all dead, the truth will never be known
>>77309555
Trips is always truth.
This is easily the best evidence of murder
>>77300950
dumb motherfuckers got BTFO
>>77315369
>Everyone that was in the compound when the fire started was there voluntarily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdgnha3lkc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxCmxvQuas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnQpLI6TCYc
>Koresh is the ultimate Dindu. He's fucking Jim Jones.
Then why not target him alone or just back off wait for things to die down keeping him under surveillance ?
>>77315222
The US Constitution does not authorize the creation of a police force. Anything the US Constitution does not expressly authorize is left up to the States or to the People.
The ATF is doubly unconstitutional, for the US Constitution technically forbids any and all limitations on the possession of arms.
No gun law in the US is actually constitutional if it impedes the(or infringes) ownership of guns. Technically.
But then again, the government controls the courts and has decided it's not going to obey the laws set forth, because the government has the police and courts and the people do not.
>>77304343
>nobody replied to this with an actual argument
top kek
>>77315305
He was impeached because the House Republicans thought they could get him thrown out and win public support. They hated Clinton for winning the '92 election and they thought they hit gold when the Lewinsky tapes surfaced. I remember that fucker Newt licking his lips thinking this would propel him into the White House.
He "lied" was a bullshit explanation for what was clearly partisan politics; something that the GOP was immediately pilloried for and only survived because the Senate Republicans had a few centrists left.
>>77315770
Except it's wrong you fucking retard
>>77314510
Fucking Alien Gonzales!
Its kinda fucked up how this feel more like a nostalgia thread than a /pol/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gc0TVQfRuYM
>>77316004
Tim replied for us. RIP you shining diamond.
>>77315979
For their to be courts and laws, there has to be a police force to enforce them. Stop being an obtuse cocksucker.
Oh, and go incite a riot or scream "fire" in a movie theater the next time you feel like testing limitations on your rights.
I posted this in /r/wtf
Can we please get it some coverage? Let's redpill some liberals.
>>77316234
>For their to be courts and laws, there has to be a police force to enforce them. Stop being an obtuse cocksucker.
Not being obtuse.
The police and courts act highly unconstitutional these days because no one stood up and blasted them back in the day when they tried putting their foot in the door.
Now they're accountable to no one, and can basically do whatever they please. That's why cocaine and M4s are illegal.
This shit makes me so fucking angry. One of the biggest tragedies in American history, perpetrated blatantly by our own government, and no one ever fucking talks about it.
>>77316310
kill yourself
>>77304343
>Waco is more a reminder of what happens when right wing gun nut nitwits try to challenge authority with their AR-15s.
More of a reminder of what happens when the narrative can be entirely controlled by the MSM outlets in the days before the internet.
With private drones, Internets, and cell phones the outcomes would be different as we would see what was going on inside the compound and the victims could be humanized.
There were even militia groups during the siege who were almost willing to intervene in some way but couldn't largely because the PR situation and a lack of information.
>>77316532
"THEY WERE PEDOPHILES! WHO CARES?"
Gotta love the modern pedo hysteria. Perfect way to get rid of problems.
>>77316310
Jesus Christ kid, don't they teach history in middle schools these days?
>>77316674
>"THEY WERE PEDOPHILES! WHO CARES?"
This is the exact response lol. I guess all those evil pedophile kids needed to be fried alive.
>>77316424
This, look up the Texas town where the city council was also the board overseeing the local private prison. Every single person who drove through was pulled over, and hit with an exorbitant fine or arrested and put to work at the prison factory.
>>77314510
gun on safe, finger off the trigger... why even bring an MP5 if not for the photo op.
Bumpu
>>77315037
Wonderful reputable sources...And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
>>77302163
looks like a goy.
>>77316931
Intimidation. People don't tend to check TD or safeties when they're being threatened. Basically, it's aggravated assault, but when the government does it, they call it "protecting and serving the community".
>>77316759
B-b-but the evil nutty cultist parents did it to their children, it had nothing to do with the CS gas or the damaged propane tanks
>>77304343
>Under controlled circumstances<
you have no idea what would happen when the gloves come off. Some Afghani farmers prove this.
A couple Waco cucks holed up in a building has no bearing on the real effects of a U.S.-led insurgency where people have access to CNC machining, etc...
>>77316686
I don't know, go look at the thread. Half the people in there don't even know what happened.
>>77316931
>>77317178
they all really look not suprised or scared except the kid
it really looks fake to me
>>77306200
love the US flag on the abrams
you burgers are kek
>>77302453
>can't see how they did anything to get gassed and burned
They were heretics.
/thread
>>77316931
The photo was taken by a photographer who was staying with the family, IIRC.
The whole thing was played out over weeks.
>>77316674
Texas Rangers had already investigated and found that not to be true. Nice try Shlomo
>>77305365
>How much fucking tax do you feel you'd have to duck for it to be worth the feds to come to your house with tanks and burn all your friends and family alive?
None, all you have to do is shoot an ATF agent.
>>77303135
it's almost 2 hours Anon, I can watch it thursday but can you vouch for this particular video? Is it fair and truthful? I dont want to waste two hours on blue pill BS or tinfoil disinfo.
>>77317632
Doesn't matter. Once that label is attached to you you never get rid of it, evidence be damned.
That's why it's so effective as a means to destroy men.
>>77316686
>school, let alone an american one, giving you actual facts, not just repeated bullshit "truths"
>>77312309
dont look at it as "you cant have a gun" but instead as a good reason to own a crossbow and katana.
that's rarer than a firearm.
>not mentioning the helicopter opening fire on the compound
That shit happened.
>>77318057
Bows are godly weapons if you can master archery.
>>77317971
Yeah okay Adolf
>>77317690
>None, all you have to do is defend yourself against an ATF agent.
ftfy
>>77313672
85' here, I remember OKC but nothing about WACO.
I remember some of desert storm also. Mostly the burning oil wells.
>>77318513
my dad was in desert storm in the tanks
tfw he has that one illness from the chemical weapon resistance shots and it fucked him up
Anyone else notice the shills arrived noticably late? It's as if they needed to call for help.
>>77317261
vet here
millions of us with doctorates asymmetrical warfare
0 combat vets are liberals
how deluded are these commys who think the mil would be on their side. all the cuck political officers would be fragged right out of the gate
