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I don't think Liberals know this gun only shoots 1 round each trigger pull.
They don't
>>77291282
Muh bump fire tho
>>77291282
>machine gun that the army uses
>1 round each trigger pull
Yeah, I get that you're a gun nut, but fuck off with your bullshit. You're just a pawn for the NRA.
>>77291282
they call for a ban on all automatic assault weapons (including in their mind the ar 15) and when you correct them they accuse you of being condescending and pedantic
>>77291282
It looks big and scary to them so they assume it's fully automatic or some shit. Bunch of retards, really.
I do. anything else?
>>77291624
Gas yourself, Correct the Record shill.
Guns are the only thing that stand in the way of dictatorship, which you leftists want so bad.
Don't tell them, if they realize it's just a hunting rifle with tactical bits they'll try to ban those.
What we really need is a gun even scarier than the AR-15. Add some spikey bits and maybe a bloody skull hanging from the barrel. They'll go after that instead.
I don't think they care. The anti-gun lobby finances their campaigns and so that's all that matters to them.
>>77291282
Nope it shoots like 5-10 rounds per second on semi auto
pew pew, wild jahooty down
>>77291624
Kill yourself
>>77291282
They don't care
They just hate America
>>77291831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQTFOwZnero
The AR-15 is one of the best overall guns ever made. The round penetrates like a mother and is accurate as shit.
Your basis of arguement means nothing, it and other guns like it are great at killing in the wrong hands.
Argue for control outside the government to regulate ownership...you know....like states manning up and fucking fixing the problem.
>>77291749
It's an ASSAULT RIFLE end up. It's in the fucking name "Assault Rifle 15 rounds". Why do you need a machine gun that is used for ASSAULT?
You can't hunt with it, because there would be nothing left. You can't conceal it, because it's four feet long. And you don't need a fucking machine gun for self defense. That's what the Nazis used.
Come to think of it though. Nazis are exactly the type of people you are. Fuck off.
>>77291749
>people actually believe this
>>77291624
Answer me this.
Was the NRA responsible for the terrorist attacks in Paris?
it holds 60 round fully-automatic armor-piercing cop-killer clips.
everyone knows that
>machine gun
kys
>>77292333
Praise Be to KEK
>>77291624
>machine gun
just off yourself already faggot.
>>77292264
Sure thing retard. You have no argument, and I'm sick of people dying because you're an asshole who won't give up having military weapons. It's called having empathy.
>>77292145
wew you put some effort in that bait.
>>77292332
Governments killed 262 million of their own people last century, idiot. That doesn't include wars. I wonder how many were well armed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
>>77292468
Answer me, faggot.
>>77292468
You can't be serious
AR = Armalite Rifle
Can you please go get a knife and cut your wrist? Maybe go find a mass shooting and jump in the middle?
>>77291772
I gotchu senpai
>>77292145
When Omar Mateen bought the weapons he used, he had already undergone a more rigorous background check than the typical firearms customer.
As the holder of a Class D security officer license from the state of Florida, he had submitted fingerprints and a photograph, passed criminal background and mental health screenings and submitted proof of 40 hours of professional training. As holder of a Class G gun permit, which allowed him to carry up to two concealed weapons, he underwent the same checks, as well as 28 hours of classroom and range training.
Not enough laws for you?
“The striking thing about what we think we know about this incident is that all of the so-called loopholes that people point to were not a part of this crime, not a part of this terrorist act. There was a background check. There was a further background check that allowed him to become an armed security guard. You have a U.S. citizen with no criminal record, a U.S. citizen with no prior mental health issues, who waited the three days and went through yet another background check at the point of purchase. So it does not appear that the typical legislative actions would have had an impact on this individual’s ability to purchase a firearm,”
I think common sense gun control should be implemented desu. I really don't see why shitskins on FBI watch lists should be allowed to purchase firearms.
>>77292333
>>77292630
>terrorist attacks
Yep sorry, I'm not even going to bother with you. I think you understand why, and maybe someday you'll grow up.
>>77291282
Bumping with mine
>>77292333
Trips of truth; praise be to KEK.
>>77291282
This fully loaded modern tactical 30 clip assault army bif baff pewer should be banned!
>>77292608
>Opinions that disagree with me are bait
It must be hard being this much of a kike
>>77292617
>Nigger actually thinks him having an AR-15 will stop a tyrannical government
The government isn't going to kill you anyways young man
>>77292845
So, you have nothing.
Way to go faggot, bait harder.
>>77291282
these media cunts work for soros and rothschild, they fear our influence so they're pushing their agenda into full swing so we can watch it fail and laugh at them
Jim Hines needs to go, oust that fucker, arrange a recall, do whatever you have to we need to send a message,
>>77291749
>Guns are the only thing that stand in the way of dictatorship
I've voted Republican in every election I've been able to, and I think you're a retard. Do you honestly think you and your band of single-toothed inbreds could stand in the way of the most powerful military on Earth, if the US government just up and decided to oppress you?
You'd be dead of a aerial strike before you even knew what was happening.
This isn't the fucking 19th century.
>>77292145
>Why do you need a machine gun that is used for ASSAULT?
none of your fucking business, I'll use it for all lawful purposes and keep your retarded nose out of my business
>>77292914
>The government isn't going to kill you anyways young man
What about when Trump sends his right wing death/deportation squads to your neighbors doorstep? Do they not have a right to defend themselves from tyranny? Fucking racist Trump supporters.
>>77291772
I got you covered senpai.
>>77291624
>>77292145
>>77292468
.10 OF [CURRENCY: AMERICAN DOLLAR] HAS BEEN DEPOSITED TO YOUR ACCOUNT
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
///END MESSAGE///
>>77293030
Stop using this goddamn retarded argument. If you knew anyone who actually is in the military, you know they'd never turn on the civies and murder them, you fucking retard.
>>77292845
lol, faggot.
Was the NRA responsible for Paris?
262 million you stupid moron. That's how many people were killed by their own governments last century not including war. That's why we need guns.
Why do the mentally ill progressives think we live in a peaceful world?
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
>>77292845
It was a terrorist attack by radical muslims you piece of shit.
What were the Paris attacks to you, a fucking walk in the park?
>grow up
Ironically I was liberal when younger and supported the same bullshit you did. I grew older, took the redpill, and became very conservative. You're the one that should grow up.
>>77293089
Perfect. The AR-15 is safe now.
>>77293168
Then why the fuck do you need assault weapons to defend against the government?
You are absolutely incoherent.
>>77292468
>I'm sick of people dying because you're an asshole who won't give up having military weapons.
but you're fine living in a country that equips it's young men and women with said weapons and sends them overseas to do what exactly?
they don't take those military weapons overseas and fucking garden with them you asshole,
they go overseas and shoot brown skinned people, if you have such a problem with weapon start there and all these so called gun nuts will back you up about changing foreign policy,
instead you take the bait and attack your own countrymen who only fear the worst and want to keep everyone safe
>>77293030
Yeah, I mean the Vietcong and Isis and taliban have been eradicated.
I'm sure people with first world educations and higher IQs wouldn't fare much better.
Anyone got that police state screen cap?
>>77291282
I'm a liberal and I can empty a whole round of an AR-15 in seconds
>>77291282
> 1 round each trigger pull
It is deigned to shoot all day precisely. For war.
>>77292953
Fuck you. If you really need me to explain why using the words "terrorist attacks" is inapproriate, then you're an ignorant ass.
It wasn't terrorism. It had everything to do that weapons still exist in the world, and the people who did it were driven sick with bloodlust. That's what guns do, and YES that is what the NRA wants. Paris probably wouldn't have happened if the NRA didn't sponsor global arms trafficking. Most Americans don't want guns, but the NRA controls Congress, NATO, and the EU. They want bloodshed, because that's how they get their money.
So yeah, again. Go fuck yourself asshole.
>>77293086
>Trump sends his right wing death/deportation squads
not gonna happen, nice strawman though, I like those because I like fires
>>77291282
>not having a binary trigger
top kekles
>>77293084
>"Why do you need an AR-15?"
>"none of your fucking business, I'll use it for all lawful purposes and keep your retarded nose out of my business"
This is a direct quote from Omar Mateen when he was speaking with a store clerk
How come we can't buy 3 burst? It's not really automatic.
>>77291282
If you hold down the trigger it sprays all 150 bullets (with drum upgrade).... stop spreading disinfo, gunnut.
>>77293410
Lol ok racist
Fucking commies will never learn. Get busy buying or get busy dying. Guns are your only defense against statists.
>>77292862
is that eotech backwards?
>>77292468
>military weapons
AR-15 is not and never has been a military weapon. This is simply wrong.
> If you think ARs are dangerous, try a decent deer rifle with scope.
>>77293216
>>grow up
>Ironically I was liberal when younger and supported the same bullshit you did. I grew older, took the redpill, and became very conservative. You're the one that should grow up.
Same here. I shudder when I think back on how stupid, naive, and childish I was when I thought being a progressive was a good idea.
>>77292145
I use an MP5 to go pig hunting. Bastards get spooked if they hear anything and they travel in large enough packs you want something automatic. Just you know, a conventional use for a gun that is mainly used in combat situations.
>>77293494
atf defines automatic as more than 1 round fired per trigger action.
>>77293383
Yes, anon. Because it's every bit as difficult to crush a fringe domestic uprising--which, I'll remind you, is HERE, where all of our fucking resources and infrastructure are--as it is to quash a coordinated, multi-thousand-strong insurgency in a foreign country in terrain to which we're unaccustomed.
Don't be ridiculous.
>>77293333
That's war you retarded anchor baby
>Gun nuts will help change foreign policy
This is what anchor babies ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>77291624
nigger the army uses M-16's
fucking retard
>>77291282
They don't. The news keeps throwing around the words
>Semi Automatic
And the know nothing libs shit themselves in fear, and want to ban semi autos... So like the majority of all guns. They're too stupid to know they're stupid, and it's all going just as planned.
>>77293293
>Then why the fuck do you need assault weapons to defend against the government?
none of your fucking business,
it's a weapon therefore we have a right to own it PERIOD
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
every single other country that went down this path ended up killing millions of their own citizens and usually it's dark skinned people or jews that get killed along with homosexuals and the disabled, fucking disgusting shit and you're enabling it to happen here,
no way, we won't let that happen in America, I don't care how many children you say you can protect or have many crocodile tears you can muster up
you have a problem with military weapons killing people take issue with our military using them on the citizens of foreign nations for no reason that benefits America or it's citizens
>>77293030
>I've voted Republican in every election I've been able to, and I think you're a retard. Do you honestly think you and your band of single-toothed inbreds could stand in the way of the most powerful military on Earth, if the US government just up and decided to oppress you?
Yes. The Army itself would have to deal with rebellions all over the country, and up to half of the army could disobey orders to kill American citizens. Fighting in an urban environment is going to cause a lot of collateral damage and kill innocents not involved in the conflict. You think it would look good for the army to send drones and blow up buildings just to kill a few rebels when they risk killing hundreds of innocents. It would look terrible for the US and would drive more people to oppose the government, plus Russia will no doubt help rebels in taking down the US government.
The US army failed in Vietnam, and even more embarrassingly in Afghanistan against a bunch of low IQ sandniggers, you really think they would turn on civilians so easily?
>>77292834
He was on FBI terror watch. That's doesn't mean he can't buy a gun tho. Thanks NRA.
>>77293552
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is for the public to have military equipment.
>>77291282
I don't think liberals know full-auto is useless anyway, it's a rifle not a machinegun
>>77292145
>YOU NAAAAZZZIIISSS!
Kek, you got a hearty laugh out of me at least.
>>77293402
A whole round of an AR15 in seconds??!?1?1!1??
ZOMG!!?!?? The WHOLE round??!!?
B8 or kill yourself. Which is it?
We don't have a gun culture here so I'm pretty much clueless but I wonder why you guys don't insist on the point that this isn't an automatic rifle. Everyone who is clueless thinks this is some sort of minigun and that it's insane that people can just get it legally. You guys are at fault for not getting your point across.
>>77293701
>none of your fucking business,
My fucking business is that your "I'm an important government watchdog, standing in the way of dictatorship" argument is absolutely, cosmologically, mind-blowingly fucktarded.
And by extension, so are you.
>>77293690
If there is a semi auto ban I guess my mauser will be seeing some more use.
>>77293749
>Thanks NRA.
Not the NRA's fault. It's the constitution.
You can't deprive a person of their constitutional rights without due process.
>>77293640
A revolt and a people disillusioned with this government will overthrow this government.
>>77293749
he was on the terror watch list but not in prison, thanks obama
>>77293669
>That's war you retarded anchor baby
we've been at war here since Lincoln or hadn't you noticed? our courtrooms have military flags in them, you dumb shit, it's economic war waged upon us by the British
why do you have a problem with me owning a rifle when it's none of your fucking business what I own, why do I have to tolerate your communist nonsense?
anchor baby, pfft, my kin have been American longer than anyone else here
>>77291461
Dumbo crats actually base their gun restrictions on "looks" and "feelings" like scareyness from pictures of a gun..
Its like children are ((((leading))) us.
>>77292145
Le AR stands for assault rifle meme
>>77293749
I agree that is just stupid. I'm speculating the reason why is a lot of those right wing survivalists are on the same FBI watch lists suspected Jihadists are. So a general ban would apply to them as well.
>>77292145
>he fell for the AR means Assault Rifle meme
god you shills are great sometimes.
>>77293406
>They want bloodshed, because that's how they get their money.
Actually they make a lot more money when adults that have emotions like children talk about banning guns.
Have you seen smith and wessons stock lately?
>>77293803
People have a right to miniguns.
>>77292617
>If you own an AR15 in fear of a tyrannical government then you're a paranoid nutjob and should be sentenced to life in prison
>What do you think of Trump getting into the White House?
>He's literally the second coming of Hitle
I want to buy a gun so I can shoot minorities when the happening occurs.
Is that too much to ask for? I just want to watch them screwm and hollar and make funny chimp sounds.
>>77293875
There is a no-fly list for them so that's bullshit.
>>77293934
And when the government can't give orders effectively and the money funneling to police stations dries up the liberals will look to the liberators for orders.
>>77292145
It stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle.
>>77293746
>The Army itself would have to deal with rebellions all over the country
I really get the impression you haven't done much academic study of American political culture. And in the event that I'm wrong: what makes you think any significant percentage of Americans would actually take up arms against the government, based on data we have?
>>77293934
I'll have to take your word for it.
>>77293797
Is "empty the whole clip" better for you? You know what I mean. Even it's only semi auto you can shoot a ton of bullets in seconds. Carry multiple clips and you can kill hundreds of innocents.
>>77294121
there is no right to fly on a commerical jet
>>77293875
Exactly. I'd have a lot more respect for progressives if they would just be honest about 2 things
1. We want to ban guns
2. We don't like America and want it destroyed
>>77292145
master baiter
I played COD like infinity times and I know all about guns. That gun shoots a ton of bullets and more if you get the double tap perk.
OMFG Right wingers don't know anything about guns!
>>77294121
You don't have a constitutional right to fly.
>>77293848
yeah well name calling doesn't change laws dipshit
there is precedent here so let me explain it to you,
the only chance of any gun legislation passing in America and a slim chance at that, is the public murder of a popular president
now since we don't have a popular president and it appears we won't have one for some time to come it doesn't look like any firearms legislation will pass anytime soon
so go cry boo hoo to your media traitors and watch their ratings go down
seriously people need to just cut these media fucks off permanently and get rid of that shithead Jim Hines
call him up, arrange a recall election, enough is enough, if these people want to live that way they can go to South America and have their rifle holding goons do executions and order people around
>>77293410
He says he is gonna deport 10 million people.
>>77294235
So buying guns is not commerce?
>>77293429
Wow
>>77294210
Someone with a Garand could do the same thing though if they were comfortable with using it, and unless they institute a caliber ban I don't see how they could regulate them.
>>77293640
Lol, you think it's easier to destroy an enemy in your own back yard than one afar?
Get a load of this dumb nigger. Are you African American by chance?
>>77293948
>Anchor baby doesn't realize economic "war" is different from military war
Calling me a commie doesn't jake you're point seem stronger either
>>77292145
>And you don't need a fucking machine gun for self defense.
Machine guns are defensive weapons m8
>>77294316
You don't have a constitutional right to buy guns either.
>>77292075
States can't ban Muslims.
>>77293552
AR-15 is civilian version of M-16
>>77294210
Magazine
>>77294194
>Americans would actually take up arms against the government,
they wouldn't need to, the military is composed of them, now I'm back to playing with my thompson that is considered a destructive device in states with too many faggots
>>77292468
You're a fag.
>>77294156
Seize the farms, the factories, the store houses and then be able to distribute resources to civilians and you effectively have a competing government in the U.S for power.
>>77294058
I guess you're kind of right
>The National Firearms Act states that any fully automatic weapons constructed before 1986 are legal for a civilian possessing a Class 2 permit to own. The few miniguns that were on the market by then remained legal, and have been circulating around the country for years. No crimes have ever been reported committed by a minigun-wielding criminal
But you get what I was saying
>>77292145
saved
>>77293552
>AR-15 is not and never has been a military weapon.
are you fucking retarded
>>77291624
Did you even play COD fagboy?
>>77291624
>machine gun that the army uses
>The Ar15s you buy at a gun shop are the AR15s designated M16/M4 the military uses
Weeeeeeew laaadddyy
>>77294468
And one is select fire while the other is semi auto. Pretty fucking big difference
>>77294348
he says a lot of shit, he's a politician, Obama said he would bring the troops home and shut down gitmo
did he do that shit?
NO at least not quickly if at all
>>77293755
Yes, however, the AR-15 is not a military, military-grade, assault weapon, or even an assault rifle. It is a civilian rifle. It has no select-fire switch.
This is literally blaming the tool because it's black. You don't want to be racist, do you, Anon?
>>77294575
No crimes have ever been reported committed by a minigun-wielding criminal
since when if crimes are commited by something makes it liable to be banned?
>>77293746
You sound like a traitor
>>77291749
Has >cuk
In the id
You fantasise about Hitler and vote Trump to bring about a fascist dictatorship and you accuse the liberals?
>>77294451
...... yes there is? Literally written in the 2ND FUCKING AMENDMENT!? Is this bait? I feel like it's bait.
>>77294339
I'm not exactly scrambling for gun legislation, anon.
I just think people who harp on the anti- side of the gun control issue with arguments like the kind you made--the "keep the government in line" bullshit--are misinformed and haven't thought this stuff through.
No one mentioned laws or reform. But if we are going down that route, I'll concede that I'd probably be more open than most conservatives to us being a little more careful around assault weapon sales. And you have to admit that "it's none of your business what I do with it, the law's the law" isn't an entirely compelling argument for keeping the current system in place.
>>77294629
The AR-15 is the civilian variant of the M-16. The anon in question is correct.
>>77294348
Hopefully.
It's absolutely doable too
>>77292145
>Machine guns are inherently defensive weapons designed to be set up in a location to hold it against enemies
>But they aren't defensive
>Godwin's law
Paint a swastika on my chest and give me an MG42, I'd gladly defend my home RPing as a Nazi.
>>77292914
Small arms are useless against the US government. Except in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
>>77293875
The NRA sends lobbiests to defend everyones ability to buy guns, even people on terror watch.
>>77291282
No, we do.
>>77293681
Mostly M-14's now.
>>77294689
It's the magazine capacity and the ease/speed of reloading that make the AR-15 special.
>>77294711
Can we ban computers and the Internet already? 1:4 will have their identity stolen during their life.
>>77293935
Well he was on terror watch he hadn't broken the law. Not sure why you would defend his right to buy a gun.
>>77292145
>assault rifle 15
>>77294858
Small arms are not useless, small arms kills ministers, civilians can bomb government offices, assasinate political/economic oppositions etc..
>>77294431
I have history with Chairman Mao, Stalin and Hitler and the atrocities they committed backing up my point, you have feelings and guns are scary so think of the children backing up yours and oh you don't need that weapon, you'd be better off not having it
like fuck off you shill asshole, you're talking about setting up a murder factory weather you realize it or not the inevitable result of doing what you're talking about is holocaust style genocide
no way, not gonna happen sorry
>>77294451
You have a right to own them. I see the argument you're trying to make, but it just doesn't work like that.
I haven't looked at the no-fly list, but it's likely propped up by some power to regulate interstate commerce or travel for the purpose of safety. This is why congress can get away with grounding people.
The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right, so the government can't deprive a person of their ability to acquire weapons.
I suppose the kind of thing you're suggesting is that the government bar him from buying guns, but not from possessing them? I really don't know if this is something that is legally valid, but I do know that it would be a fairly pointless measure since he could just get a friend to buy a gun for him.
why do liberals blame all ar15s when only a minority are used in crimes?
>>77294689
>It is a civilian rifle.
One which has been around since 1957 and for sale to civilian since at least 1963
>>77294880
Can't take away the rights of the people without due process. Terror watchlist a shit too, either they're suspicious enough to actually launch a full case or you should leave them alone.
>>77294210
>Is "empty the whole clip" better for you?
No. It reads like a microencephalic child wrote it.
>Magazine
>Clip
Learn the difference.
>>77294801
state the differences besides the fun switch
>>77292145
11/10
>>77291282
The problem is they don't care.
>>77294575
It's almost like the vast majority of guns aren't even used for crime or something
>>77294787
Literally where does it say (you have to go through a background check by the way) that they must sell you one?
>guys you have a right to military weapons
>wait we didn't know a minority would use it for crime
???
filthy traitors.
>>77294413
Do you have any sort of counter-argument?
Because it sure as hell stands to reason that an extremely well equipped, well-supplied military force, surrounded by good intel on a land that we actually fucking own and can see and monitor every inch of, would probably stand a pretty good shot. Relative to a bunch of marines struggling in the Vietnamese boonies.
You sound very stupid. Are you retarded by chance?
>>77294316
You have a constitutional right to suck my dick.
Sorry, breaking news, the supreme court has ruled that you now how a constitutional obligation to suck my dick.
>>77294900
Like 40 years ago?
>>77292145
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>77294714
He isn't the one trashing our founding documents
>>77294795
>No one mentioned laws or reform.
Maybe if you have had your head jn the sand
> And you have to admit that "it's none of your business what I do with it, the law's the law" isn't an entirely compelling argument for keeping the current system in place.
No but the massive amount of peer reviewed studies that are 95% on the progun side are.
Even a compelling argument to reduce gun laws even more
>>77292145
top kek
>>77291282
To all autistic anti-gun faggots:
>>77293030
Is it like the fucking 1960s?
Also who is going to kill all those Americans, other Americans?
Patriotic, mostly conservative, mostly southern Americans are going to kill other patriotic, mostly conservative, mostly southern Americans for Hillary Clinton?
Please give that order today, the results will be hilarious.
>>77293875
What does wet grass in the morning have to do with my constution?
50 people died this past Sunday in that bar in Orlando.
Approximately 3300 people die EVERY DAY in the U.S. in vehicular incidents. That's a 9/11 EVERY DAY.
Why the fuck isn't cars a hot button issue? I want some fucking answers, guns aren't killing NEARLY as many people as Ford, Chevy and Toyota.
>>77294858
Are you a literal goddamn retard?
Who is the Taliban?
>>77295094
I'm allergic to sheepskin
>>77291772
I gots u senpai
>>77294249
Progressives don't want to destroy the country. Go put your tin foil hat back on paranoid delusional idiot.
>>77294858
Ignore my reply
>>77294249
I am a progressive.
1. I want to ban all guns.
2. I don't like America and want it fundamentally changed.
How much does an AR-15 run these days? I'm not really a gun guy but I'm thinking I should buy one now since liberals clearly want to make it harder
>>77295229
It's the constitution, faggot, now get down there and suck it
>>77295109
No, they had them a long time, but now most soldiers never even use M16's.
>>77291282
I was surprised that Conan correctly cited his disdain for semi-automatics. Seth McFarlane got it wrong calling for a ban on all "automatic" weapons.
>>77295283
7-800ish barebones
>>77294714
I'm loyal to the country, not an increasingly corrupt government.
Loyalty to America and its founding principles, its citizens ≠ loyalty to the US government. Might take a bit for you liberals to understand since you practically worship big government.
>>77291282
the guys fingers were really tough from all the fingering his boyfriend and him did
>>77292468
Mate I can smell your vagina from all the way across the Atlantic.
>>77295144
>no one mentioned laws or reform
I was referring to our exchange.
>No but the massive amount of peer reviewed studies that are 95% on the progun side are.
Would you mind directing me to a few? I'm unfamiliar with these, and I'd like to know more. Most sources I see suggest the opposite, but I'd be happy to see the counterpoint.
>>77295090
>xtremely well equipped, well-supplied military force, surrounded by good intel
1 million people with arms seize all the roads and factories, they travel all around the country seizing and sacking all government property, a battle with U.S forces would be battles of millions of soldiers.
>>77295283
A crazy guy a work (real white trash) bought one and he paid like 5 something.
>>77294880
>even people on terror watch.
>It is ok for a government in a free nations to have the unilateral ability to strip people of their basic human rights through entirely subjective means with absolutely zero recourse.
People like you should honest to god be tried for treason. There is absolutely nothing more unamerican than wanting the government to have such power.
>>77291282
only liberals know it does. Also dumbass idiot i played call of duty we all know it shoots a ton of shots.
>>77293989
Ah good point. That makes sense.
>>77295234
low energy, mate
pic related is more appropriate.
>>77293406
Lulz
Proof please?
>>77295013
The guts are very different so you can't field repair them with another model of the same gun. That and the fun switch are the main difference, essentially Colt had to make it so you couldn't just swap out the civilian receiver for a military model and have a fully auto rifle.
>>77294904
Do you have any idea how many different semi auto rifles are around?
Basically all pistols?
>>77294084
This comment alone should be reason enough for a gun ban on you.
>>77294880
The liberals would just put everyone on the list
This would be a serious headline
>Obama adds 80 million people to terror watchlist
>>77295283
You can """build""" (buy a complete upper and lower and put them together) one from PSA for sub $500 they can range into a few grand depending on what you want.
>>77295034
Is mine and it cost me just under $1500 as is.
>>77293429
you knew omar before the attack? tip submitted
>>77294904
Not really
There have been full auto detachable magazine fed rifles since the 1910s
There was even a full auto rifle with 50 round mags that saw limited use in WWI
>>77294963
How do Hitler, Mao, or Stalin back up your point? Are you literally this fucking stupid?
>USSR AND NAZI GURMANNY ARE JUST LIKE THE UNITED STATES
I hope you're fucking baiting you absolute fucking retard. Implementing gun control won't lead to another holocaust. You're a retard for believing that.
Don't even reply to this I've already won the argument. There isn't a single argument you can use that I can't deconstruct almost immediately.
You're done kid
>>77294714
You're only a traitor if you lose.
>>77295001
Nah you just sound like someone avoiding the argument. You resort to grammar rather than substance
>>77295264
Yeah they do. Real simple to figure it as well..
>America is a republic, rooted in classical liberalism, which is closest to modern day conservatism
>progressives want to implement a marxist, socialist government, which will be a technocracy, closer to europe, thus America is no longer America
We have you figured out shill-san. Your cuckery will not work on this board.
>>77295422
a redcoat did 5 rounds a min
>>77293406
>Most Americans don't want guns
This is how I know this post is bait
>the NRA controls Congress, NATO, and the EU
>the world is controlled by the NRA
>there is a global conspiracy to arm people, not the other way around
Are you insane? As stated above, this is probably a bait post but I can imagine some people might actually think this way?
>>77292145
Guys he's right we just keep looking over the truth.
>AR= ASSUALT RIFLE
>15= 15 ROUNDS PER SECOND
And gun owners try to say it doesn't actually mean that. You know what that's it I'm a #AntiConstitutionMissle now
>>77295013
The fun switch is a massive difference you mechanically ignorant tiddly winkler
>>77294795
what differentiates an "assault" weapon from any other weapon?
nothing
they're both semi automatic rifles, any rifle can easily be modified to accept large capacity magazines
the point is you have no right to ask why I need a weapon or don't need one, to question weapons is to question the validity of the great experiment that being America which by the way hasn't seen a genocide since the native people were wiped out thanks to disease and aggressive murdering
the only way to pass gun legislation thus far is the public murder of a popular president, so to get any passed you first need a popular president which doesn't seem possible right now,
you have no right to ask why people need weapons, they have a right to them and you can't change that, it would be nice to prevent the mentally unstable from obtaining them but unfortunately thats impossible so I suggest you arm yourself because I imagine you will see much more of this before anything can be done about it,
if something is forced, if you see a president asking police to confiscate weapons they will most likely just step up their efforts confiscating weapons from the people they usually interact with (minorities) and deputize everyone else, it's a charade designed to divide the nation,
don't fall for it,
they want a genocide weather they know it or not, only you can prevent the next Hitler from committing the next atrocity
and you can only do it by keeping cool and keeping your wits about you,
>>77291282
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/disregard-petition-ban-ar-15
counter petition if you want to sign
>>77295656
>mechanically ignorant
thats fedorable
>>77295393
>1 million
Stats suggest Americans are politically apathetic with regard to "direct action" type demonstrations. They vote (and not in overbearing numbers, I'll add), but they don't often go out and protest, and they sure as hell don't manifest in big, aggressive ways.
What exactly makes you think 1 million Americans would actively take up arms against their government? Just your intuition?
>>77291624
>what is the difference between automatic and semi-automatic
I didn't think it was possible to be this ignorant but once again liberals have taken the cake
>>77295090
I don't fucking need one.
You literally think fighting a force ON YOU OWN SOIL, made up with thousands of veterans from your own fighting force, with first world resources and education, is easier to destroy than the fucking Taliban? An army that would most likely be cut in half because of desertion?
Kill.your.self
>>77295566
>How do Hitler, Mao, or Stalin back up your point?
they all enacted legislation that restricted the ownership of firearms
you giant retard who is obviously reading off a script
seriously go fuck yourself, willing to sell people into a death camp for pennies
you should be ashamed
>>77294316
Once upon a time alcoholic beverages were against the Constitution. Constitution can be amended. The 2nd amendment is clearly out dated. The only people that obsessively support it are nut jobs that are preparing to overthrow the government if it becomes too liberal.
>>77291624
The Army uses the M4 retard. And AR-15 is marketed to civilians specifically because it is semi auto (one bullet per shot) and therefore legal to the average citizen.
>>77292145
>summerfag darwin award
>or
>10/10 troll
>>77294660
The point is he will try
>>77291282
Every sane person imediatley sees that this horrifying instrument of white male terrorism fires a dozen hate filled military grade hollow-point cop-killer grenades out of its clip every time the trigger gets pulled.
>>77295391
>Would you mind directing me to a few? I'm unfamiliar with these, and I'd like to know more. Most sources I see suggest the opposite, but I'd be happy to see the counterpoint.
The only sources that point to the opposite are riddled with fallacies and shoddy methodology that anyone with a highschool stats class can debunk
Out of 35 peer reviewed non biased studies on the subject all but 3 showed gun control did dick all or even had a negative effect.
Those three showed a very miniscule correlation between guns and crime/murder.
Sources next
>>77295769
this
>>77293406
When the liberal militia go armed door to door of each American household to collect their guns, thus turning their own complaint against the common folk, you will be sorry. Plus when martial law is declared they will be using foreign NATO/UN forces to do this.
>>77295264
When I was a progressive I didn't realize I wanted to destroy America either. It's ok. Just realize it's true. Leftism is a very dangerous mental illness.
>>77295741
You've never been to Texas, obviously.
Of course a million fags in skinny jeans at your open mic feminist poetry night at Swarthmore aren't doing shit... but there are a lot of other types out there
>>77295699
Gas yourself you retard
>>77295457
Pistols are inaccurate in most people's hands. At least the victims have a chance to run away.
>>77294904
> magazine capacity
You can buy 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 60, 100 and 120 round magazines for an AR. 30 rounds is standard.
> ease/speed of reloading
Plenty of rifles reload as fast, and not just AR variants like Omar's MCX. You want fast reloading? Try a Tavor.
> AR-15 special
Nothing special about it. It's the Honda Civic of rifles. Slightly underpowered but reliable with millions of them in the civilian market.
>>77295264
Yes they do; they hate the US.
t. former "progressive"
>>77295422
the fallacy is that assault rifles ARE actually more deadly than conventional semi-automatic weapons.
-larger magazines
-higher rate of fire
-faster reloading
-increased manueverability
and of course the psychological aspect
-makes faggots like /pol/tards, muslims, and autists (yes, you actually fit into the same group as muslims and autistic people) think they are big and bad and thus shoot people for fun
>>77294808
I'm sure you are happy we killed off the Indians and enslaves the blacks too.
The AR platform sucks.
The Garand is and will always be superior. Especially if your boots have laces.
>>77295741
>What exactly makes you think 1 million Americans would actively take up arms against their government?
nobody ever needs to take up arms against their government, the fact that the arms exist prevent that from ever becoming a viable scenario
>>77295280
Good for you. Now get all of your friends on board. Then we can have an honest debate instead you all just being lying psychopaths.
>>77295878
the only way to be antigun is to be willfully ignorant or dishonest
>Harvard study detailing how gun control is counter productive and a waste of valuable police resources
http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
>Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
>Upon interviewing convicted felons, these researchers found that
>74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, due to fears of being shot
>57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police
>40% of the felons had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
http://libertyfirearmstraining.com/blog/2013/05/16/criminals-fear-armed-citizens-more-than-they-do-the-police/
>>77295789
I realize the first and 13th amendment are clearly outdated when I read your stupid bullshit
>>77295789
The only reason alcoholic beverages were against the Constitution is because of morons who keep messing up the Constitution.
>>77294393
Yeah every gun can be dangerous but due to the 2nd amendment we should ensure some guns stay legal. But obviously we have to draw the line somewhere.
>>77295789
I support it, but I've been in situations where carrying a firearm has saved my life. Not what you'd expect mind you, I had to shoot a car window out after getting T-boned by a drunk into a lake. Could've easily drowned had I not been able to smash the glass as quickly.
>>77295283
Depends. You can get cheap ones for $450-$550. You can get a nice one that's fantastic quality for probably $800
>>77293167
Holy fuck, $10 per post? Sign me up!
>>77295786
>strawman: Hitler banned guns
We're not banning guns you fear mongering faggot. Why do i even reply to this bait?
>>77295741
Last poll done (by the same polling agency which has accurately predicted every Presidential election since Reagan) showed that 1/3rd of Americans would openly revolt if the government went to far
>>77291624
If they gave a marine an AR-15 .. LOL
>>77291282
I know. I own one.
But it doesn't change the fact that the AR-15 is the most used assault rifle in modern shootings.
>>77291282
>tfw you always believed that ar-15 was a assault rifle
>>77294651
It's really not a big difference. Semi auto gun require maybe an extra second to unload the "magazine"
>>77291624
Did you know that it is illegal for a non LEO to purchase a fully automatic firearm that was manufactured after 1986 in the US? No? Then fuck off.
>>77295847
>The point is he will try
of course he won't, whats the point of that, you don't know much about politics do you, just watch this guy try and sway the crowd once the general starts, he's going to be kissing mexican and black babies and dancing the macarena with homosexuals, he is going to do anything he needs to for a landslide and thus far it looks like he's building one,
nobody here will let anything unreasonable happen
>>77296023
thx hubby <3
>>77296188
.10 American Dollars, you illiterate Cyprusfag
>>77291518
still is 1 trigger pull tard
>>77295789
Go and try, 2nd amendment or war.
>>77296203
It's 10 cents, m8 not 10 dollars, don't get your hopes up too high.
>>77292145
What's the difference between these two rifles?
>>77295980
Try not being illegal, Pedro.
>>77295900
>when martial law is declared
we already under martial law
it's happened multiple times in recent history
>they will be using foreign NATO/UN forces to do this.
I heard Russians mercenaries but it's all bullshit, the fear of that happening is worth more than actually doing something like that
>>77296203
Of course YOU'RE not banning guns. You're not doing anything but sucking Obama and Hillary Clinton's dicks. And you're doing that because it's an extension of being a shitty suck up teachers pet like you were in high school.
Which is really fucking transgressive and bold by the way. Way to go independent minded youth, cheerleaders for the corporate establishment.
>>77296236
>It's really not a big difference
Yes it is.
> Semi auto gun require maybe an extra second to unload the "magazine"
Maybe if you're Jerry Miculek.
The average person cannot pull a trigger at a rate of 850times a minute
>>77296367
>no argument
As usual
>>77295585
Anti-funners sound ignorant because they don't use the right terminology and often don't know anything about the subject except their own fee-fees.
>>77296396
Functionally, virtually nothing.
>>77296078
>we should ensure some guns stay legal.
ALL ARMS ARE LAWFUL
>>77296448
>Obama and Shillary want to ban guns
Wrong.
Retard
>>77293089
THEY'LL TAKE MY LIFE BEFORE THEY TAKE MY AUTOCANNON
FOR THE DARK GODS
FOR CHAOS
>>77291282
Liberals and facts are like water and oil
>>77295667
I get what you mean about the practical barriers to gun control legislation passing.
>you have no right to ask why people need weapons
But that's framing the debate incorrectly. The Constitution guarantees everyone's right to bear arms. I don't think there's anyone in the country, at least not in serious discourse, who's advocating for a shut-down of all sales of all guns. It's basically just the heavy duty stuff.
I'm not going to engage in a semantics debate about what assault weapons are, because you're absolutely right. I can't pin it down. But, whatever arbitrary qualities we end up associating with weaponry that really has no practical civilian application (again, common sense), it doesn't infringe on our Second Amendment rights at all to regulate these weapons, or make their purchase a more rigorous thing. Shit, even if we banned them (which, again, I'm not exactly advocating for).
The wording of the Second Amendment is both a blessing and a curse as far as gun rights go. It allows us to have them no matter what, but it doesn't specify which kind we can own.
Also you can get into all sorts of shit with the militia garbage in there, too, but that seems counterproductive since the actual, substantive debate is a lot more interesting.
>>77295769
Yep, that's basically what I'm saying. For the reasons outlined above. Wealthy, educated people aren't going to grab their rifles and head out into the woods with their townsfolk to fight the big, bad government.
>>77295922
You know, anon. I have been to Texas, and I think you have a point. This is a big country. I'd still posit that the US government could handle any sort of activity like that pretty easily, though.
>>77291282
you know I never saw a need for this particular weapon. However, with a ban coming i'm going out a getting one.
love this one though>>77292834
the m44 shorter model anyway.
>>77296421
I'm only illegal if I'm caught.
You on the other hand are trash regardless.
Banning guns is as effective as banning cocaine btw.
Those of us in the criminal class do not care what you nancy fags decide to ban. We get what we want.
The cruel irony is, gun bans and laws only impact law-abiding idiots. I can buy any gun I want without a waiting period or background checks, usually for less $$$ than legal purchases because the gun I'm buying is hot and the seller wants it unloaded fast and paid nothing to get it.
Tax-free ammo too >:3
>>77296486
I know.
I was just seeing if our chumming anti AR-15 friend knew.
One is muh scary babby killing rifle, the other one is muh deer killing rifle according to liberals.
>>77296559
>Obama and Shillary want to ban guns
Correct.
Faggot.
>>77296023
Thanks, anon. I'll have a read.
>>77296013
Well let's you and I have that debate Anon. I understand your fears of gun regulation, but my questions are:
1) Is there any other way Omar Mateen could have been stopped other than more effective gun control?
2) If we are trying to consistently improve society, then at some point won't instruments of murder be unnecessary and their ownership a reliable indicator of ill intent? I don't believe this about the majority of gun owners now, but if social pressure swings one way rather than the other, owning a gun will like saying nigger in public.
3) If the legitimate purposes of a firearm are self-defense, and hunting, for what reason do you need a weapon that can kill quickly kill ~50 people? When the 2nd amendment was passed and muskets were the regular firearm, you'd need at least 50 people who agreed with you to carry out such an attack. At least there was some social cohesion, but America today is at the hands of blind chaotic egoism.
>>77295370
underrated British bantz
>>77296559
Obama and Hillary don't want to ban guns? Well since you've shown yourself to be so informed and credible on the topic thus far, why I'll just go ahead and take your fucking word for it.
I guess I'm a #antifreedommissile now!
>>77295789
>too liberal
You are nothing of the sort. You're authoritarians.
Ironically the founders who wrote the 2nd were actual liberals. Not mentally ill retards.
>>77293582
Use the cringe to feed your beliefs now.
>>77296203
stop runting around asking why people need to have this or that, keep your fucking mouth shut or go take a course and train up to use a weapon, it's obviously what the media wants us all to do or they wouldn't shill the anti gun bullshit so hard, every time it just makes people buy guns, also for all their shit Obama and Clinton own stock in arms manufacturers not to mention they're fine with arming our military and sending them to kill people in other nations so stop being duplicitous, you either abhor violence or you love it,
I personally abhor violence, which is why I support the constitution the bill of rights including the second amendment
>>77292145
Gr8 B8 M8 <3
>>77296452
This post >>77296367 was actually meant for >>77296188 Cyprus-kun above you.
But seeing as you're anti-gun, it was a happy accident it seems as it can apply to you.
>>77295415
You keep saying that. But hopefully you never have a family member murdered by a but job with access to semi auto rifles
>>77296230
>AR-15 is the most used assault rifle in modern shootings.
MK ultra teams get them on sale
>>77291282
>"AR is used in all these shootings!"
>ban AR
>2nd best choice is now used in mass shootings
>"Gun X is now used in all these mass shootings!"
>ban gun X
>3rd best choice is now used in mass shootings
>"Gun Y is now used in all these mass shootings!"
>ban gun Y
>ect. ect. ect. faggots
>>77295519
That is a great exaggeration. I'm guessing you get your news from Alex Jones
>>77296510
>ALL ARMS ARE LAWFUL
clearly. that's why there are no regulations prohibiting civilians from owning nuclear warheads.
>>77295980
Did the blacks have weapons?
How did the Indians arms compare?
Ever heard of wounded knee?
I wonder if the US had any gun control on Indians or blacks?
>>77296661
Yeah. If the assault weapon ban from the 90's was still in effect, the only thing missing from that photo would be the pistol grip, as those were regulated.
Why would republicans like Hillary Clinton and Obama who get millions of dollars from gun manufacturers want to 'ban' guns?
That makes no sense. You all are silly. This board is silly.
>>77296220
While I do genuinely find that surprising (it does certainly conflict with my understanding, and with what I've read), I would say there's a bit of a methodological flaw, there. Sure, lots of Americans say they'd fight the government in a big patriotic fervor to restore liberty and American principles. But how will 1/3 of Americans, many of whom have vastly disparate principles, ideas, and backgrounds, agree when too far is too far?
Earlier this year when those dumbasses tried to occupy that federal land, almost everyone I talked to saw them as a bunch of retards. Unless there's a clear event horizon, it's pretty much going to be that sort of thing.
>>77295951
What is Virginia Tech and most mass shootings?
They use pistols.
Wait until liberals realize this gun is legal in NY
>>77294969
You would assume they would watch his friends too? Anyway maybe they need to get some type of fingerprint technology going on guns.
>>77296631
>shut-down of all sales of all guns. It's basically just the heavy duty stuff.
it's too easy to redefine what is included as heavy duty after the fact
you can't go there, essentially all rifles are the same which is why this cannot even be entertained as legislation if we are to remain a united nation
>>77296858
You keep saying that. And hopefully faggots like you realize what country youre in, what the bill of rights is, and what this republic is. Fuck off to yurop already so you can get bombed by mohammed-jihad.
>>77296858
I'd hope my family wasn't murdered at all personally. I don't think I would really care about the instrument used, it'd be the murdered part that'd get me.
>>77296559
>I have conveniently ignored Obama's recent anti-gun executive actions as well as the bills President Bill Clinton, and later Senator Hillary Clinton tried to pass to get firearms banned.
Can't fool me, CtR
>>77294978
Why do you call anyone who disagrees w you a liberal?
>>77296396
The bottom one is better suited to terrorist activities because it looks scarier.
>>77291624
Was the NRA responsible for any mass shootings?
Don't give that "oh they promoted them cuz they're gun nuts" bullshit. You can't blame the NRA for gun violence any more than you can blame a car company for drunk driving.
>>77297078
Wait until liberals realize you could make a grease gun with a small amount of machining knowledge and like, less then a hundred bucks.
>>77296631
>semantics debate about what assault weapons are, because you're absolutely right. I can't pin it down.
It's not a debate about semantics. The term 'assault weapon' was created by politicians as a fungible class of guns that can be banned and the bans added to. In gun terms, there is no such thing. There are assault rifles, battle rifles, etc that the assault-weapon term gets used for. But because it's so flexible, knives, bats and other weapons also get tossed in by hysterical gun-grabbers.
Words are important.
>>77296703
>Is there any other way Omar Mateen could have been stopped other than more effective gun control?
Yes, competent government. He was denied his request to buy body armor, yet he was allowed to buy guns.
>at some point won't instruments of murder be unnecessary
No
>what reason do you need
It's not named the Bill of "Needs"
>>77297121
Full rights to infantry and general army equipment or no discussion.
>>77296631
>but it doesn't specify which kind we can own.
That's the point fag.
It is supposed to cover any and all "ARMS" to stop such stupid notions of "it only protects muskets".
The second amendment is an incredibly simple easy and blunt sentence in its meaning.
> But, whatever arbitrary qualities we end up associating with weaponry that really has no practical civilian application
The second amendment has nothing to do with "weaponry with no practical civilian application".
It protects the inherent right to keep and bear any arm and commands that the government shall not infringe upon this right in any form
>>77292834
How much of this does the media know?
Fuck. Really wish our media was actually informed instead of filled with liberal retards
>>77296678
Please kill yourself if you're this dumb. What the fuck are they gonna do? Somehow override the second amendment. Is your retard brain able to process how dumb that is?
>>77296760
Retard detected
>>77296801
>I support the second amendment
Ok me too
>>77296827
>But seeing as you're anti-gun, it was a happy accident it seems as it can apply to you.
Anti gun =/= gun control
>>77294988
Denying someone a gun who frequent Isis forums chatting about killing Americans is common sense. We get so worked up over liberal vs conservatives that we forget common sense.
Can we make the Bullpup the new rifle for the good guys? I fucking love that design and it is criminally overlooked.
>>77292145
>YALL ARE NAZIS, YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD DNA? HITLER!
>YOU KNOW WHO ELSE EXISTED? HITLER!!
>>77297319
No.
>>77296631
>has no practical civilian application (again, common sense),
there is no differentiation between civilian and military when it comes to weaponry according to the constitution, citizens have right to own weapons of war, thats America so deal with it or stop bitching, I suggest you look up to the greatest and richest nation in the world, Switzerland and follow their principles, they are an anarchist state, the lack of government is what prevents murder there, people don't think to do that knowing they will face retribution so it never happens, nobody dare attack them because they are a nation where 14 year old girls on bicycles with rifles can defend their borders
>the US government could handle any sort of activity like that pretty easily, though.
thats what you don't understand, our people would never attack our people, why would you shoot your own family? guns prevent tyrants from trying
>>77295034
I should take a pic of mine with a Hilary T-shirt. I'll look so tough
>>77297319
The government doesn't have the authority to regulate arms, shall not be infringed.
>>77297119
>anti-gun executive actions
You'd have to have an IQ below 90 to think that it was anti-gun. Explain the anti-gun part to me
>>77297319
Anon, common sense would be the Pope declaring another grand crusade to recover the stolen lands of Christendom. After liberating Constantinople and atoning for our sin of abandoning Eastern Rome to the muslim horde.
>>77297311
Pita pita... dumb shit. You said, Obama and Shillary 'WANT' to ban guns. Of course they want to. Not that they necessarily can.
Now choke on cock.
>>77297455
Restricting weapons of war to civilians is anti-gun and anti-American.
I thought the idea of owning assault rifles was so that if our great nation was ever invaded by a foreign enemy, all able-bodied men could be armed and ready to fight along side our military? we dont stand a chance against our own military, but if some other superpower decided to attack the mainland "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass".
please correct me if i am wrong
>>77297491
Maybe we could finally find peace.
Reminder that IXu/WHq6 is an illegal immigrant who wants to take your constitutionally protected rights.
>>77296858
>You keep saying that. But hopefully you never have a family member murdered by a but job with access to semi auto rifles
I will continue to say that even if something horrible happens like that because I am not a knee jerk reactionary moron. That and id be carrying the means to protect them thatbis if antigunners haven't made it illegal for me to do so.
Hundreds of millions of people have been viciously murdered by governments with the power you're suggesting just in the last 100 years and what you suggest goes against every single philosophical concept that America was founded upon.
And as Ann added caveat as already linked to you.
Guns have absolutely no effect on these types of events and murder and crime on the larger scale.
There is no objective or philosophical basis to limit the individual's right o keep and bear arms in any way.
I don't think a single soul on this board is part of an honest to goodness well-regulated militia with a clear purpose and goal of protecting people.
>>77296935
>clearly. that's why there are no regulations prohibiting civilians from owning nuclear warheads.
I know, but I have yet to make the journey to the great australia to begin building my own weapon of mass destruction
I think I will license it's use as a threat to corporations, why shouldn't corporations own nukes if people can own them I mean they're people too right?
>>77297565
The purpose of owning it is for the reason they had it, power to American citizens, so every American citizen is also a soldier.
>>77296789
I don't even know what that means. But it sounds progressive af tbhfam.
Overly emotional and hollow
>>77297565
Its both. Its so the citizenry can act as a militia, and also so if the need occurred, they could fight back against Tyranny. You've got to remember Anon, during the revolutionary war the colonists were not allowed to own firearms, they had to smuggle all their weapons to actually fight the British in the first place. This sort of stuck with them as being a big deal.
>>77296937
>I wonder if the US had any gun control on Indians or blacks?
yes they did, more on blacks than natives though, I mean why do you think so many blacks are felons?
what can't felons do that non felons can?
vote and legally hold a rifle
>>77297634
All U.S citizens who can fight are part of the militia.
>>77297319
>Denying someone a gun who frequent Isis forums chatting about killing Americans is common sense.
If I go on pedo forums and chat about CP, the government will put my in jail, not deny me the right to have kids.
>>77297239
But the government is not competent, clearly, and inb4 "why do you want to give the government more power?!?!" I may have lied a little bit before. I'm a progressive in most social values, but I'm actually an anarchist, so really I'm just waiting for society to hate casual gun ownership out of existence.
Fuck the Bill of Rights. I don't give a shit about any "sacred documents". You're either a good person or you're not, and no government or law can make you one or another.
So, voluntarily ban all guns?
Shit debate by the way. Poor form.
>>77297089
While I agree that ambiguities would pose a problem, I think there are people more qualified than the two of us (maybe not you, but certainly me; I'm not very good with firearm taxonomy t b h) who are capable of drawing those distinctions.
>>77297238
You're right. I'll be more particular and say that I was referring specifically to assault rifles.
>>77297305
>that's the point, fag
No shit. And being a fan of the Constitution, surely you're familiar with early reservations about the Bill of Rights, because once you specifically describe a right to something, shit gets narrowed down. Like, for example, the part where the Second Amendment simply promises the right to bear "arms," meaning as long as we can still operate within the strictest sense of the Amendment, Congress can restrict what they want.
>an incredibly simple easy and blunt sentence
Misconceptions like these are why we should have mandatory US government classes in high school.
>>77297541
>Of course they WANT to
>>77297634
Irrelevant. Also, when militias are featured in the media, "progressives" ridicule the shit out of them.
>>77296396
The bottom one has a pistol grip, which scares liberals for some reason.
>>77297734
Okay, what militia are you part of? Where do you operate, what's it called, who do you report to?
What are your goals, how often do you meet and train and go through inspections and drills?
>>77294969
All good points.
Maybe it's easier to criminalize being a radical Islamist than to prevent them from acquiring rifles.
>>77297646
right. im not worried about our own government. im more worried about some other fags getting ballsy and trying to invade. millions of educated gun owners would make us that much more difficult to conquer. why dont liberals understand this?
>>77297849
All able bodied U.S citizens are part of the militia.
>>77297728
i didnt know this.
>>77297849
I'm part of the Chestnut drive irregulars, we meet in Ted's garage every Thursday to drink beer and talk about how Obama is ruining the Country.
>>77297849
Why are you against power to American citizens?
>>77297319
>Denying someone a gun who frequent Isis forums chatting about killing Americans is common sense.
eh, what if they're shitposting?
what makes sense is to keep a watchful eye for this kind of shit, what kind of nightclub doesn't have an armed bouncer?
also the gun shop guy could have called it in if it seemed suspicious but they are probably hesitant in fear of being sued for discrimination or racism
>>77291624
heres your (you)
>>77297025
>While I do genuinely find that surprising (it does certainly conflict with my understanding, and with what I've read),
No shit since all you've done this entire thread is show you're own wilful ignorance
> I would say there's a bit of a methodological flaw, there.
And id say you're making shit tier empty assertions against a very well accredited polling agency that has a very very very high track record for accuracy.
> Earlier this year when those dumbasses tried to occupy that federal land, almost everyone I talked to saw them as a bunch of retards
Because they were a bunch of retards
Even the local Oregon militias wanted to go up there and throw those retards out because they weren't justified
Remember Bundy ranch when thousands of militia men came from around the entire nation showed up within a week?
Yeah that's extremely small scale.
The entire DoD has around 250k combat troops.
If 1% of gun owners went into outirght revolt they would outnumber all of the governments combat troops ten to one.
It would take less than 10k individuals with rifles to shit down the entire nations power grid which would lead to the government losing control of the Entire nation in weeks.
>>77297787
'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'
It's the entire basis of the second amendment. If you aren't part of a well regulated militia and are not keeping the security and peace of a location, you are not guaranteed nor granted right to have and use firearms in the united states.
People like to harp on the second amendment but entirely gloss over the majority of it and the whole point.
>>77297565
>I thought the idea of owning assault rifles was so that if our great nation was ever invaded by a foreign enemy
no it's to make sure all men and women are equal when it comes to physical force
>>77297963
The French supplied the American forces throughout most of the war with munitions.
>>77297634
>I don't think a single soul on this board is part of an honest to goodness well-regulated militia with a clear purpose and goal of protecting people.
they've been outlawed, state militia were taken over by the feds in the 1980s
>>77298098
>8
Well regulated means in proper order, as in working, and the militia is all able bodied citizens.
>>77297420
>thats America so deal with it or stop bitching
I think the point is kind of what we all love our country, so we want to see society change in ways that we think will benefit our fellow Americans. That sort of outlook really isn't helpful.
I'm probably going to be late for work if I keep this up, so I'll just finish by responding real quick to this:
>why would you shoot your own family?
Why would you shoot your own troops? Or officials, for that matter?
I feel like there's a bit more nuance to it than that.
That said, I'll have a look at the sources earlier in the thread. Your perspective has merit, and I want to consider it more.
>>77297736
You're assuming that everyone is going to think like you though. The problem is that if a society hates gun ownership out of existence, people with guns will come and take over that society and probably kill everyone.
>>77297759
>No shit. And being a fan of the Constitution, surely you're familiar with early reservations about the Bill of Rights, because once you specifically describe a right to something, shit gets narrowed down. Like, for example, the part where the Second Amendment simply promises the right to bear "arms," meaning as long as we can still operate within the strictest sense of the Amendment, Congress can restrict what they want.
What does the word infringed mean?
No matter how many mental loops you jump through there is zero wiggle room with the second amendment
Especially when you read correspondence between the founders and citizens asking if the second amendment protected fully armed warships (the most powerful weapon the world had yet seen) and they responded consistently with "wby wouldn't it".
>>77298098
I want to arm you and all citizens, why do you oppose power to the people?
>>77298295
This is exactly what those fucking Canadians have been waiting for.
>>77298276
100% military arms or war, there is nothing to discuss.
>>77297759
>While I agree that ambiguities would pose a problem, I think there are people more qualified than the two of us (maybe not you, but certainly me; I'm not very good with firearm taxonomy t b h) who are capable of drawing those distinctions.
sorry in this case there is absolutely no reason for discussion at all, weapons and arms are legal so unless the constitution is dissolved we don't have anything to talk about on this issue
now on the issues of mental health and prosperity of our nation we have plenty to talk about, inspiring our young men to invest in themselves, engage in physical fitness which is the only way to confer grace upon the human condition,
interacting with each other in public, all these things are known to prevent the depression that has been known to encourage people to desperate acts
>>77298276
>I think the point is kind of what we all love our country, so we want to see society change in ways that we think will benefit our fellow Americans
Then why are you still debating this when the science is settled?
>>77298239
I'm an American, clearly, but I'm not part of any militia. I don't have meetings, I have no training, I have not been briefed, there are no procedures, I am never called upon to help keep my town or state safe.
I am not part of any militia; Saying 'We're, like, ALL the militia, maaan' doesn't make any sense. It's also simply not true, as there is no cohesion or organization.
>>77298071
>The entire DoD has around 250k combat troops.
And something like 350k "assault" rifles went unregistered in CT after CT passed its "assault" weapon registration law.
A point that needs to be hammered home to the anti-gunners:
You are picking a fight with a portion of the population that holds enough privately owned firearms to arm every single soldier, reservist and mercenary ON THE ENTIRE PLANET five times over, and most of you are unarmed.
>>77298295
I guess. It's honestly pretty irrelevant. Memento mori.
>>77298299
Why would armed warships conflict with the founders?
Every citizen is strong and part of the nation not as serfs or slaves to an upper class but as an organic part of the nation with their power to defend from anything.
>>77298098
>Here is the amendment as ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[31]
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Also, everyone carrying a gun is "keeping the security and peace of a location" you dense cunt.
>>77298492
In the hypothetical scenario a foreign invader was on US soil though, would you fight back?
>>77298373
Well if the US banned all guns, the mexican cartels would roll through and Canada would eventually get their win.
REEE
>>77298608
Hell no. I'm banking on that instant sanctification martyrs get.
>>77298319
Because you don't want to arm all citizens.
You don't want black people armed. You don't want latinos armed. You don't want gays armed.
You want a very specific subsection of Americans armed.
It's part of why, honestly, I think every minority group should take up the black panther party style. If every black, queer, latino, etc. was walking around open carrying rifles, I think the vast majorty of people who harp on the second amendment would instantly flip to the other side, without a second of hesitation.
>>77298098
For people that aren't disingenuous and have an adult reading level here is what it means
The people need to be able to form a militia in order to stay free. Because of this, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms can't be fucked with by the federal government.
>>77298098
Yet the 2nd says "the right of the people," not "the right of the militia." You want the people armed so that they can form a militia when the need arises. You put the cart before the horse there, kiddo.
>>77291282
Went through rigorous background checks that not only a civilian would need but armed security guard would need which is rigorous.
Sounds like being islamic was the problem. Not the gun. If only you shitposting retards would stop
>>77298798
Anti gunner literally think we needed a constitutional amendment so the government won't disarm a military unit.
This is what we are dealing with.
>>77298731
>let me put words in this guy's mouth and then deconstruct the resultant strawman
Commit suicide post-haste.
>>77298276
>so we want to see society change in ways that we think will benefit our fellow Americans.
please remember then,
when you say, why do you need this type of weapon, or couldn't we do something to prevent this type of person from obtaining this type of weapon all we hear is an invitation to have another holocaust
don't threaten us with holocaust,
>>77298856
Honestly, does it really sound like he's "islamic"? Everything I've read makes him sound like a self-loathing fag who tried to ride the Big Bad's coattails.
>>77298731
I personally am fine with any non-criminal element carrying a fire-arm. Within sane age limits of course, I don't think a child should carry a gun, that's just stupid.
>>77298731
>You don't want black people armed. You don't want latinos armed. You don't want gays armed.
I want them armed, I want felons armed, I want to start rifle clubs in ghettos for black kids
I think it would reduce inner city gun violence
>>77294900
is this 1957
>>77298856
Nope. They're desperate, and they are going to turn the shilling up to 11 for the next couple of weeks.
Point remains, I'm not giving mine up, and I'm not the only one. I won't even submit to registration. I guarantee that there are enough of us to shit up any gun confiscation/registration plans real hard. You want'em? MOLON LABE
>>77299019
That's the media trying to muddy the waters. He was a Muslim who turned the attendees of a gay club into the People of Lot for an evening.
>>77299084
Jesus Christ the cringe.
>>77298731
>every minority group should take up the black panther party style.
no that whole thing was an FBI setup
don't go panther, it divides the community and makes it easier to control
just be yourself but teach wisdom and train with a rifle, we have to normalize the image of a young minority male holding a rifle so people don't immediately think criminal
you can thank your friends in media and hollywood for instilling that image in the minds of people everywhere
>>77298731
Go ahead, every single minority should be armed, I have no intention to enslave or exploit economically any foreign race.
>>77299019
So the 911 call where he pledged himself to ISIS and their leader isn't important?
You are one dense fucker
>>77299195
And do you own a firearm?
>>77298608
It would depend entirely on what they were doing, and why. I have no great love for this country or its government; Both have treated me like shit for my entire life.
>>77298738
>>77298798
If you want to take it that way, fine. It still makes more sense to have it be specifically for militias, rather than random citizens to go buy shotguns and shoot up theaters and abortion centers and nightclubs because the government is telling them those people are evil.
>>77299195
Not an argument.
>>77299169
Uh, what? It's what his dad, exwife, and patrons of the Pulse said. Are you saying it's just made up?
>>77299221
>ride the Big Bad's coattails
lrn2rd
>>77299195
Found the overly emotional child who thinks the state is God
>>77299283
It's made up just like the accusation that the Paris attackers went to gay bars, took hard drugs, and sucked dick on the regular.
Again, he pledged allegiance to Islamic State.
>>77299233
No, but you doing so doesn't make you a fucking Spartan warrior you weeaboo faggot.
>>77299254
You're right. It's an insult.
>>77299217
You can also blame instagram for every wannabe rapper taking selfies holding a glock sideways. I think at this point I'd assume a black man holding a weapon with a proper firing form would have to be in the military.
>>77299169
>He was a Muslim
initial reports cited 3 shooters, obviously some shade going down
think about it like this, anything could have happened in that club and media are under so legal obligation to report accuracy to you, they can literally make up anything they want about anything and it's legal for them to do that
>>77299356
I previously posted I'm an anarchist so you dun fucked up boi.
>>77299384
Even if it isn't made up, being both a Muslim and a fag is a very good reason to be self loathing. Your religion would be directing you to hate yourself.
>>77299245
See>>77298916
Please realize leftist indoctrination has destroyed your ability to think critically. It's sad.
