Did Islam ever have a "golden age"?
Or is it just the Muslim equivalent of "we wuz kings"?
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>>77266588
>Did Islam ever have a "golden age"?
Define "golden" age. Why should Islam get credit for the ideas and inventions created by people who just happened to be Muslim?
>>77266588
Of course they were the master race. Hitler was going to rebuild this with Aryans this time and conquer the world.
>>77266588
yes it did
it had as much to do with Islam as Renaissance had to do with Christianity
>>77266743
Because it only happened because of Islam, if it didn't it would be the Arab Golden Age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Religious_influence
>>77266743
Why should Christianity get credit for the ideas and inventions created by people who just happened to be Christian?
What a fucking retarded thought.
>>77266588
yes. islamic civilization had it's up points and down points, pretty much started declining whilst european christendom was just emerging though. modern islam is trash.
>>77266588
>>77266588
>al-gorithms
>al-cohol
>qutun(cotton)
>al-kimya(chemistry)
Idk Op, you tell me
>>77267076
> Ottomans vs only EVERY ARMY IN EUROPE
>>77266588
They did some interesting stuff but it is not nearly as golden as they make it out to be, besides if you have to go back 1.000 years for examples of your co-believers that did some good things for civilization, you are not exactly making a very good case for that religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I2WyY_R_hA
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>>77267214
>55k vs 26k
>>77267285
>Kike Kikkis denying history like Africans say whites never built anything
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
>>77267214
>>77267412
>Never defeated Alexander Suvorov in a single battle
>>77267214
>Those numbers
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>>77267412
Look up Skanderbeg, you faggot. You also lost to a bunch of poor Albanians in 1912. git gud
>>77267412
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>>77267285
And Muslims had hospitals pretty much same ward system used in this century and done EYE SURGERIES while second most civilization of non-muslims, europeans living on DESIGNATED SHITTING STREETS.
>>77266588
Can you name a single Muslim inventor, explorer, or entrepreneur?
Didn't think so!
Islam conquered the advanced civilizations of ran them into the ground within a few hundred years / when more then 20% per cent of the population had been converted!
Pretty much everything Muslims take credit for culturally was produced by some other culturally superior group they enslaved for a while.
Nestorian Christians should literally be like:
HOL UP! So what you be sayin' is WE WAZ INVENTING ALGEBRA an'
Go to a "Islamic art" exhibit at a big museum paid for by CAIR or Saudi terror fags or whatever, read the little labels closely. It's fucking always Jews or Chaldeans or Byzantines or someone else's stuff they're claiming as their own.
Islam literally bans art, it's the most shit tier religion in history.
Muslims first came up with the concept of 'the pursuit of knowledge as worship', it's the argument used by scientists of the age that reveling the wonders of nature through science cannot be against god, as the natural world is his doing and he wants up to understand it.
This was adopted by Cristian scientists in the renaissance.
>>77267847
Apologize for armenian genocide
>>77266588
Arabs. Not Muslims. Pretty sure Mohammed destroyed books and universities, but don't quote me on that.
>>77267847
So what happened? When did they turn into goat raping sandniggers?
>>77267847
forgot shitting streets link
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8FsyWw29k&t=36
>>77266588
They did but it was almost all Persians.
AKA whites
>>77266588
the numbers we use today are Arabic btw.
>>77266588
No.
In fact the only time Islam was ever at peace was before the dawn of the crusades in Jerusalem where they were able to be slightly tolerant of other religions. Despite this, there were still blatant discrimination against anyone whom wasn't a Muslim as they were typically cast out, beaten, taxed heavily, or killed.
That's what I know off the top of my head.
That and the Ottoman Empire.
But no. There was never a time of economic and self sustaining life style based off of peace for Muslims. It was always about gathering up a shit ton of sand niggers and stealing shit from other people. That's where their economic success came from and that's where it still comes from to this day.
Muslims have always had a reputation for being vile savages who justify their actions by claiming that it is God's will that allows them to prey on the innocent and weak. They're a cancer.
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>>77267138
>>77267214
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>>77267915
Some of you are being really nice but others are being very disrespectful. As someone with Islamic ancestry I will tell you that Islam had an amazing golden age while the Christian dark age was holding everyone back.
>>77267915
>being this retarded
>being this history illiterate
>Who is Avicenna, Ibn Kalud, Umar, Ibn Battuta etc....
The Islamic Golden Age lasted 1000 years, they barley even conquered, they just took advantage of oppressive empires and offered more freedom to those nations and the provinces and cities one by one left their old empire and joined the Islamic ones who were more economically friendly and did not practice usury
>>77268185
Top Canadian shitpost.
>>77266588
there was a point where they were wealthy enough to have an intellectual class and gather the writings of classical philosophers and patronize scholars from the far east. that's all it was.
>>77268066
turks took over and they got fucked by exploration era europe getting overseas gold buying out all the materials for production
>>77268294
Screw off toothpaste.
>>77266588
islam never had a golden age, it just sat on ancient trade wealth... and created the dark ages in Europe by crippling trade and forcing us to adopt feudalism as damage control
>>77268185
I've seen better shitposting from frogs
>>77266588
It's greatly exaggerated. Even the greatest Islamic philosphers, Averroes and Avicenna, were merely commentators on Aristotle, and the latter ran afoul of Islamic orthodoxy for his philosophical speculations (the Muslim rulers of Spain also expelled the Jewish philosopher Moses Maimonides). In any case the Arabs only "preserved" Classical works that had already been translated in Syriac by Christian monks. They did have a handful of decent astronomers and alchemists, but that's it.
Ask yourself: how great can a civilization really be if it needs to reach back 1000 years for its achievements, however dubious or limited those are?
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>>77266856
Christianity was a huge part of the renaissance tho
>>77268145
"Arabic numerals" were invented by Indians most likely prior to the birth of Mohammed.
Arabs \= Muslims for fuck's sake. The whole Middle East was basically christian or christianizing before Mohammed turned the whole place into a shit hole and his followers ruined it culturally for over a thousand years
>>77266743
>mfw LGBT History Month
>mfw Islamic History Month
>>77268394
As if anyone under the Commonwealth even knows what that is.
>>77268530
yeah like the church threatening to execute free-thinkers? Sure smart people back then realize to get the fuck out of that shit
>>77268483
>we din du the dark age
Then why didn't Rome also have a Dark Age? Italy was a major trade port, yet Europoors never made any money from it until the Renaissance
>adopted feudalism as damage control
>not because barbarians didn't know how the Romans ran their government
>>77266588
>Did Islam ever have a "golden age"?
No. The 'Golden Age' in Islam covers the early centuries of the cult after it had conquered advanced regions but before it had totally ruined them. Middle East used to be one of (maybe the) great centres of human civilization and this was unchanged by various empires coming and going, religions coming and going, until Islam came along and permanently fucked it.
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>>77266905
Christianity actually nurtured scientific studies through the 1600's. Scientists needed money and the Church was the one that had it. They gave them grants and allowances for their studies.
>>77268185
>Some of you are being really nice but others are being very disrespectful. As someone with Islamic ancestry I will tell you that Islam had an amazing golden age while the Christian dark age was holding everyone back.
>>77268123
While Muslim World had many scholars, hospitals, civil services throughout the land, and operating complex surgeries, battling diseases, being the most advanced medical services in the world among it's own time,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Shifa
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimaristan
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hospitals#Medieval_Islamic_world
europe was basically modern day India.
>>77268643
Fuck off. I didn't even know your country existed before /pol/
>>77267138
>>al-gorithms
>>al-cohol
>>qutun(cotton)
>>al-kimya(chemistry)
These are just words. The Arabs invented none of these things (including algebra, which you forgot to mention).
>>77268809
Not everybody is as ignorant as you.
>>77268815
>literally on wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Denying the Islamic Golden Age is pretty much the stormfag version of Ancient Egyptians were black and greek homos were in caves
>>77268805
>europe was basically modern day India.
Turkroaches love to believe this, but in fact medieval Europe already boasted magnificent cathedrals and bridges, frescoes, scholastic philosophy, universities, literary masterpieces, and polyphonic music.
>>77268066
Late turkish empire, leading into the invasion of Europeans in the colonial and WWI-II era
Their fate was sealed when the Brits put the Saudi monarchy in place
>>77268959
>medieval Europe
>magnificent
Even the Byzantines talk about the barbarism of the Germanic Barbarians who stole half their land and turned it into a poo in the loo and were unable to operate any Roman technology
>>77268211
I know them, but that's not what I inquired!
I asked for inventors, explorers and entrepreneurs!
The people that made the West great.
Can you name a single one that was Muslim?
Let me ask you this question: when Napoleon conquered Egypt around 1800, how had the life of an Egyptian fellach changed compared to 1000 B.C.?
>>77268959
He has a point though. Right now in india there are huge skyscrapers, great architecture, engineering and technology, its just not accessible to the masses
>>77266588
>Launch a massive jihad on the weaker south of the Eastern Roman Empire
>Burn, rape and genocide their way across the land
>Wind up with a load of ancient Greek texts that the West didn't have a hold of
>Don't research the findings further and eventually ban the texts
Their "golden age" was literally a three hundred year period where they used information that they never developed further.
>>77268945
>>literally on wikipedia
I repeat: the Arabs did not invent alcohol (brewed at least since ancient Egypt), cotton (cultivated for thousands of years before Islam), algebra (known the Greeks if not earlier), chemistry (known since at least the invention of metal alloys), etc. These are facts; what you've been taught is propaganda.
>>77268888
Quad 8s it's over Canada dude, you've been thoroughly rekt by this Dutchman.
>>77266588
Yup. It was just after the conquest when arab goat-fuckers first meet civilised persians, egyptians and so on. They screwed it quite quickly though. This is why it's muslim golden age: islam just went down hill from there.
>>77268959
yeah but in medieval times, they still shit in buckets and throw to streets almost like being india.
during crusades warriors of Muslim countries complained mostly about how stinky crusaders are. there are many idioms about not-having-showers-not-wiping-their-ass-after-shitting-crusader-warriors.
>>77269197
Avicenna? You really do not know who that is? LOL underage b&
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
Sind ibn Ali (? - 864)
Ali Qushji (1403 - 1474)
Ahmad Khani (1650 - 1707)
Ibrahim al-Fazari (? - 777)
Muhammad al-Fazari (? - 796 or 806)
Al-Khwarizmi, Mathematician (c. 780 - c. 850)
Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar) (787 - 886 CE)
Al-Farghani (800/805 - 870)
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa) (9th century)
Dīnawarī (815 - 896)
Al-Majriti (d. 1008 or 1007 CE)
Al-Battani (c. 858 - 929) (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (c. 872 - c. 950) (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi (903 - 986)
Abu Sa'id Gorgani (9th century)
Kushyar ibn Labban (971 - 1029)
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin (900 - 971)
Al-Mahani (9th century)
Al-Marwazi (9th century)
Al-Nayrizi (865 - 922)
Al-Saghani (d. 990)
Al-Farghani (9th century)
Abu Nasr Mansur (970 - 1036)
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (10th century) (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi (940 - 1000)
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī (940 - 998)
Ibn Yunus (950 - 1009)
Ibn al-Haytham (965 - 1040) (Alhacen)
Bīrūnī (973 - 1048)
Avicenna (980 - 1037) (Ibn Sīnā)
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (1029 - 1087) (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám (1048 - 1131)
Al-Khazini (fl. 1115-1130)
Ibn Bajjah (1095 - 1138) (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (1105 - 1185) (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (12th century - 1204) (Alpetragius)
Averroes (1126 - 1198)
Al-Jazari (1136 - 1206)
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī (died 1213/4)
Anvari (1126-1189)
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1566)
Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449)
Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585)
Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
Mu'ayyad al-Din al-'Urdi (1200 - 1266)
>>77268772
leave troll
>>77268888
You're Dutch and therefor more ignorant than I can ever be.
>>77269106
>>medieval Europe
>>magnificent
>Even the Byzantines
The Byzantines, being Christians and Greek-speaking, are part of the European tradition, and were destroyed by Islam.
>poo in the loo
Dante, Chaucer, Giotto, Chartres Cathedral, Cologne Cathedral, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm... you know absolutely nothing about medieval Europe, so why shitpost about it?
>>77269348
They were taking over a foreign nation in a middle of a fucking desert. Excuse them for not taking showers with them.
>>77269258
Arabs don't drink alcohols, they did synthesize it for chemistry and cleaning purposes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
They invented millions of new things.
>Ibn Muʿādh al-Jayyānī is one of several Islamic mathematicians to whom the law of sines is attributed; he wrote his The Book of Unknown Arcs of a Sphere in the 11th century. This formula relates the lengths of the sides of any triangle, rather than only right triangles, to the sines of its angles.[38]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_sines#History
>According to Ubiratàn D'Ambrosio and Helaine Selin, the spherical law of sines was discovered in the 10th century. It is variously attributed to Abu-Mahmud Khojandi, Abu al-Wafa' Buzjani, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi and Abu Nasr Mansur.[4]
>Ibn Muʿādh al-Jayyānī's The book of unknown arcs of a sphere in the 11th century introduced the general law of sines.[5] The plane law of sines was later described in the 13th century by Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī. In his On the Sector Figure, he stated the law of sines for plane and spherical triangles, and provided proofs for this law.[6]
>>77269456
>Giotto,
>Dante, Chaucer, Giotto, Chartres Cathedral, Cologne Cathedral, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm
Half of those weren't white
>>77269236
>He has a point though. Right now in india there are huge skyscrapers, great architecture, engineering and technology
... copied from the West. The magnificent artistic and architectural achievements of medieval Europe were not copied from anyone else. If you're saying the life of a Christian peasant in Germany in 1100 A.D. was shit, that's certainly true, but it's no more true than saying the life of a Muslim peasant in Syria in 1100 A.D. was shit -- either way, it's irrelevant to this discussion.
The term "golden age" can mean a lot of things and tends to vary from historian to historian, though almost every historian will agree that islamic had a golden age where military strength, food production and economic success led to strong forward leaps in science, mathematics and art. This was undoubtedly cause directly by islam which served as a unifying force within the arab world at that time.
>>77268185
QUIT DELETING THIS IMAGE FAGS
>>77269456
>we waz da romans
The Byzantines were conquered not destroyed, half their Empire left and joined the Islamic Empire because the Byzantines were so culturally different and interfered in the free market and trade.
They were already destroyed when they lost Rome to the Barbarians. After that it was just a decline and attempt to reconquer their original capital.
All those cathedrals took hundreds of years to build where as in the Islamic world at that time, they would be built in years.
>>77269398
Nigga I can make that list for Europe as well.
>>77269348
Also the "smelly Europe" dark ages n shiiiieet is only something from around the late middle ages when people started living in cities, and after the massive pest epidemics hit. People thought water carried the pathogen.
As for crusaders stinking, try wearing a massive armor and chainmail in a sandnigger country for days and days because on a crusade and we'll see how nice you smell.
>>77266588
The latter.
They tell people that islam had a golden age, but that golden age they're talking about was before islam.
>>77269398
I LITERALLY JUST WROTE THAT I KNOW THEM! CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ!
And (for the THIRD time) name some inventors, explorers or entrepreneurs!
And (AGAIN) Let me ask you this question: when Napoleon conquered Egypt around 1800, how had the life of an Egyptian fellach changed compared to 1000 B.C.?
Golden Age Islam was pretty based desu,nothing like that sorry excuse that it is today
>>77266588
Never, muzzies have always walked on a house made of cards
>>77269985
This is about the Islamic golden age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
The crusaders also smelled because they didn't shower and the poor weren't allowed to shower anyways. The Muslims didn't smell on their campaigns, because they used the water from the river to clean themselves. The smell also gave them away removing their element of suprise
>>77269348
>during crusades warriors of Muslim countries complained mostly about how stinky crusaders are
I'd take any lecture on cleanliness from Muslims, many of whom wipe their asses with their left hands to this very day, with a massive grain of salt.
>>77269616
>Arabs don't drink alcohols, they did synthesize it for chemistry and cleaning purposes.
So did the ancient Greeks, who invented distillation. Why should the Arabs get a special snowflake medal for it?
>>77270327
Those are the inventors, etc..
When Napoleon conquered Egypt he free'd them from Ottoman rule.
The entirety of their lives were different, they had a free market for the past thousand years and improved quality of life.
Even Napoleon wrote about this in his diary and even adopted a curved saber-type sword which he found was superior to a traditional European long sword.
This vid at the timecode explains some things
https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y?t=2034
>>77270803
Same reason Andrew Carnegie is praised for making steel even though he didn't invent it. He improved it and invented a way more efficient way for it, just like the Arabs.
It's like saying we shouldn't praise NASA for taking pictures of the moon since cavemen did that 10,000 years ago.
>>77269918
>The Byzantines were conquered not destroyed, half their Empire left and joined the Islamic Empire
Lel, that'd be news to the Byzantines whose empire was destroyed and capital sacked by the Turks. "It's OK, we're not being conquered, we're 'joining' the Ottoman Empire!!"
>All those cathedrals took hundreds of years to build where as in the Islamic world at that time, they would be built in years.
What utter delusional bullshit. You never built anything half so grand as Sainte-Chapelle or Chartres Cathedral in any case.
>>77270814
>Even Napoleon wrote about this in his diary and even adopted a curved saber-type sword which he found was superior to a traditional European long sword.
AFTER the introduction of firearms and the abandonment of heavy metal armor.
>translate Greek and Indian works into goat speak
>geographically between far east and west
>MUH GOLDEN AGE
>>77270971
Everything you write is intended to vastly exaggerate the meagre achievements of your religion in order to try to obscure the many incredible accomplishments of Western civilization and to deflect attention from the fact that your co-religionists inflict death and misery around the world every day. If Islam were really a great religion it wouldn't have to go back a thousand years for something to brag about.
>>77266588
fuck Charles Cartel
>>77271412
Who?
>>77271034
>byzantines
>sacked by Turks
Byzantine was sacked by the Crusaders in the 8th crusade, lol since Jeruselum was too far away and they wanted shekels
>half so grand as Sainte-Chapelle or Chartres Cathedral
We built entire cities from dirt
P.S. many Roman citizens helped the Ottomans take over Constantinople and the Jews infact opened the gates for us, lol
The Ottoman king made great plans to make sure no attack would damage the city as he wanted it intact to be the new capital
>>77270864
If I posted this in /his/, I would have triggered them for questioning its validity.
I know /pol/ will give me arguments from both sides, free from cultural marxist brainwashing.
>>77271477
sorry i meant, Fuck Charles Martel!
>>77271238
>heavy armor
>confirmed not knowing anything about war
Light armor and curved blades were used since ancient Egypt and even rome.
nobody intelligent used heavy meme armor, for example the Spartans who had no armor at all, only a helmet, sword and sheild.
The Europeans(the germanic barbarians) didn't know anything about this and continue using their traditional weapons instead of adopted a superior one.
>>77271347
Projection, this is what Hitler said. You simply are a dying nation and are saying "we iz kangs, we dindu nuffins" like how niggers in America say greek homos were in caves
>>77270814
Well then, what machines did they invent?(none!) What companies did they start? (none!). What wealth did they create? (none!).
And the life of the Egyptian peasant was just as shitty as it was 3000 years earlier.
Sure there were intelligent people in Muslim ruled territory, but peasant life was static!
>>77271683
>for example the Spartans who had no armor at all
lol
>Light armor and curved blades were used since ancient Egypt and even rome.
Shittier metal, shittier technology, hotter weather.
The high point of viking metallurgy had the same quality as some forms of modern industrialized steel.
>>77271863
Wishful thinking.
>what is projector
>what is cryptograph
>what is verticle axis windmill
>what are torpedos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo#History
>what wealth did they create
So much that the crusaders found it extremely profitable to leave europoor and start a new life in the Orient due to it's vast wealth and no free market restrictions, the only tax you had was on wealth you didn't use productively in 1 year, as to encourage spending
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
Goto >>>/his/ and get btfo
>>77269985
you're not really examining the argument very well.
It's not the ancient islamic world VS the western world. They both developed in very different ways.
For one, Medieval Europe was almost entirely devoid of bureaucracy. This is an important distinction to make because, in the absence of what records the church did keep, it forced a feudal oath based system. Self-sufficient economic practices were king during this time in European history, with the exception of Spain and Italy.
The Islamic world was much more focused on economics given their proximity to the silk road and what portions of it they controlled. Being able to speak multiple languages was a critical component to the success of any Arab man in that era of history. This led to prioritizing education within society (whereas, in europe, education wasn't nearly as much of a necessity.)
A real historian could make a solid argument that Europes time in the stagnation of the "dark ages" poised it for a more meaningful renaissance. The centuries of a virtually nonexistent merchant class within central Europe helped install the guild system, which would ultimately challenge the feudal system of governance. This is important because it helped catalyze the protestant reformation and jumpstarted the industrial revolution as a whole, which is responsible for the cultural dominance that we enjoy today.
>>77272185
>viking metallurgy
>equivalent to Andrew Carnegie's improvements
You could not use viking steel to build skyscrapers, even the Islamic iron and steel had carbon fiber in it, although they didn't know about carbon nanotubes, they knew certain carbon compounds in Iron would make it stronger
Crusader swords even broke when clashing with an Islamic made one, and after winning battles they would sell the swords to lords and nobels who would use them since they were superior
>>77268492
He is one. The Québécois.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV0Ol5TVEYY
Not exactly Islamic but the rule of Akbar, Jahangir and shahjahan is considered to be a golden age in Indian history. Akbar was a cool guy, didn't murder as many Hindus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus
>>77272200
Hahaha, there are just 17! seventeen!! inventions on that page!
6 are potter-related,
two guitars, coffe, the fucking marching band and a windmill so shitty that no one else used it!!
That's supposed to be the Islamic golden age?
That all they managed in a thousand fucking years?
Please don't tell me that you are proud of that!
Sooooooo pathetic!
Hahahahaha!
>>77268066
Wahabism
>>77272944
Cordoba was nice if you were rich, but outside of that it was total shit. Constant unrest and slaving.
Get out shill
>>>/his/
>>77273050
Those are the main ones, are you retarded?
It's like saying one of America's invention was Rockets, which comprise of many inventions like liquid fuel injectors, liquid fuel engine, guidance systems, tracking colors, etc...
You are literally a "greeks was homos" nigger
>>77267214
If the Anglo had taken the field you'd have been btfo, roach.
>>77272200
>what are torpedos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo#History
In 1275, Hasan al-Rammah described "...an egg which moves itself and burns."
hahahaha, that's the height of muslim genius?
An egg that burns?
That's a fucking joke!
In the same way one could claim that Michelangelo invented the tank and the helicopter!
>>77273575
>something shaped like an egg and has a thruster and moves
Are you retarded?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
>denying actual history because you're a nigger
>>77272200
that list is pathetic
>>77267915
This, the Islamic golden age existed at the beginning of the caliphate conquests as they were just using whatever the Hindus and Zoroastrians used. When the Hindus and Zoroastrians were no longer a majority in their lands, their golden age miraculously ended.
>>77273335
so okay you're saying that the "many inventions" were the smaller subsystems that made up the...
shitty guitars and windmills...
much like liquid fuel and guidance systems make up rockets
is that what you're saying?
>>77268211
>Conquers Zoroastrian Persia
>Gives land to Arab Muslims that discriminate against native Zoroastrians
We wuz helpers n shiiiieeet
>>77273335
>Those are the main ones
No they are not! That are at best!! minor inventions!
Dude you don't change the world with 6 different types of pottery! You are not even supposed to be proud of that.
>>77273868
Hindus were never in the Islamic empire until the 13th Century
Zoros barley participated in the Caliphate, the Islamic Golden Age lasted until the 12th century
If they used whatever the tribals used it wouldn't be a "golden age" since it was already invented
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
>>77273694
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
another pathetic list
Scientific method and Indian mathematics were those of Muslims? Unbelievable.
>>77266588
Arabs were the hidden gem of society that baffled the West. back in the day Arabs and the Chinese were the strongest forces on Earth, but ultimately that was their downfall. the strong flex their muscles while the weak are forced to train their minds.
Arabs were busy on multiple fronts for their crusades, eventually concentrating in Africa at some point. they enabled a lot of innovations and fancy shit, but the killing of Christians and converting of niggers was their top priority so they pushed on. whites(including white spaniards) had their shit pushed in, leading to a breakthrough of innovations in the West that became on par with the seemingly perfect Arab society. Westerners banded under their religion as a weak faction that got second wind by uniting on common religion instead of uniting as an entire hivemind force. that enabled the path of knowledge brought about by multiple cultures that had a shared enemy of Islam, though they still fought among themselves as well. Arabs indulged in their total unification rather than allow separate cultures because there was no need. they were the strongest until technology and a better grasp of economy became the true strength of humanity.
basically Islam had potential just like anyone else. with power often comes great resolve, and that itself is a weakness that can be exploited by those born with nothing, except for niggers because niggers are just plain stupid AND have nothing
>>77272443
skyscrapers are a unique invention of the industrial revolution. The secret to the skyscraper as we know them today really comes from the invention of the I-beam
>Crusader swords even broke when clashing with an Islamic made one
pretty much, but that was a uniquely roman idea that they had kept. Iron was cheap, most of a blacksmiths production would be dedicated to arrowheads, speartips and farming equipment. All of which used very little metal and any sort of quality put into them would have been a waste of a blacksmiths time and resources. Medieval Europe had no need for quality steel, thus, they never learned it.
>>77266588
Their golden age is when west develops technology and they steal all of it to make bloodier wars.
>>77273978
Do you know what a vertical axis windmill is?
>>77274061
>empire constantly at war with Romans
>losing
>people are mad at you
>get easily conquered by rising Arabian power
>new technology and improvements brought over as well as removal of old feudal systems with a new bureaucracy
>discrimination banned
>welfare state introduced
>doesn't get enough welfare
>we is being oppressed
Just like how niggers in America are "discriminated" against if they don't get food stamps
>>77274087
>can't even do a simply google search
This doesn't even include optics and a proto-camera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
>being this retarded
http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam_education/docs/Science_and_technology_in_Medieval_Islam-Teachers_notes.pdf
>>77274154
>trigonometry
>indian
>being inspired by indians
>dey invented it
>>77274128
The Arabs marched in Sindh in the 600s and had taken over by the 700s.
Their golden age was nothing special, all they did was take everything the Zoroastrians, eastern Christians and Hindus knew and just spread it to the west. The Chinese and Indians were still way ahead of Islam in terms of knowledge.
Also, if Islam truly promoted knowledge, Iran today would still be a world power like it was when it was Zoroastrian instead of the Islamic piece of shit it is now lol.
>>77266588
Every civilizations golden age can be summarized as
When the civilization were self sufficient and kept to their fucking selves.
Jews were from David to Daniel
Christians were from 1000 to before the Ottomans
Muslims were from 500 to the first crusade.
>>77274484
okay so are you saying they invented gears?
because I think there's this thing called the anthikera mechanism you need to look into
>>77274700
okay MIDF
>>77274786
Yep, Indian numerals definitely have something to do with Muslims.
>>77273694
>something shaped like an egg and has a thruster and moves
I just don't get why you brag with that. Burning eggs that move!! WOOOW I am soooo impressed.... Not!!
>>77266588
The Islamic Golden Age was when they started wiping their arse holes....oh, wait...
>>77266588
Their "Golden Age" was when they plundered Byzantine cities and knowledge, which granted them a pretty big increase in power until the western Christians moved east to steal it back, which in turn empowered them with this knowledge.
>>77274852
>sindh
>india
>is so far ahead they didn't poo in the loo
The Chinese and Indians were way behind the rest of the world, even the Europeans. If they were ahead they wouldn't have been so easily conquered.
Iran is a regional power, and is not a world power since it is sanctioned by NATO due to International Jewery and Bankers etc...
The Timurids and the Mughals were indeed world powers, had they expanded west instead of east they would have easily took over the Ottomans, Arabia, Europe etc...
If Islam promoted knowledge they'd had a golden age, which they did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Religious_influence
There is a reason we don't hear of the Chinese/Indian Golden Age in medieval history
>>77266588
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>>77267412
Go back to your crack in the wall turkroach.
>>77274484
>Constantly at war with the romans
Because Islam never went to war with Romans right after, then the Berbers, Indians,turks,afghans,chinese
>Easily conquered by rising Arabian power
>New technology
New technology like what? Improved techniques on goat fucking over imperial Persia which had developed traditions over the centuries? Sounds like a fucking fairy tale, Muslims came up with similar to the religion of peace myth.
>discrimination banned
>welfare state introduced
Jizya is not banning discrimination lmao, it's the literal definition of discrimination that never occurred before in Persia.Plus, how can you have a welfare state while taxing people for their religion, that makes as much sense as Muhammad not being a pedophile despite having sex with a 9 year old.
>>77274917
no I'm saying they invented new mechanisms
>>77266588
Yes it did, but nothing lasts forever and soon europe will collapse
>>77275063
>literal rockets
>it was nothing doe
>>77266588
Islam never did, arabs did.
And it was well before mohamed
There was an Islamic Golden Age circa 700-1000 in which the material economy, and intellectual and artistic atmosphere of the Muslim realms and their immediate neighbors (Eastern Roman Empire, Italian trading cities) due to strong Caliphate leadership and a general "peace," insofar as there could be peace in the region.
Then there were several centuries of decline and a subsequent "dark age" as the Mongols and other warlike Turkic peoples razed the foundations of civilization in the Middle East (much as modern Muslims are doing to the West now).
Then in the 15th century, the Ottoman Empire (which was really just Islamified Greeks and South Slavs) gained prominence as it conquered and superceded the Eastern Roman Empire. The Ottoman Empire represented a second "Islamic Golden Age" for another several centuries during its domination of eastern trade and subjugation of Eastern Europe.
This "Golden Age" ended with the rising eminence of Austria-Hungary, Poland-Lithuania, and the Russian Empire, which slowly ate away (with their Muslim allies, e.g. Khazars, Persians, Tatars) the Ottoman encroachments into Europe until its final collapse in 1920.
A third "Islamic Golden Age" existed with the preponderance of decolonization, as new nations following WWI and WWII sought to westernize and modernize, such as Turkey, Egypt, Iran, et al. This "golden age" saw great advances in almost every field except political liberty, as virtually all of the leaders and their successors, with the possible exception of Ataturk, were military dictators. But they were all on the right track.
Then the Islamic Revolution of 1979 happened. The words "Islam" and "Golden Age" will never again be used in the same sentence to refer to current events unless used by a global caliphate.
>forcefully take over the cultural and scientific center of the world
>claim all of their knowledge and creativity as your own and proclaim a golden age
>after 2 centuries, destroy everything because "math is the devils language"
Islam had nothing to do with this, its like as if the USA called the 50's and 60's the American Golden Age, when a bunch of the progress was thanks to ex-Nazi scientists
its the muslim equivalent of
>LOOK AT ALL THIS SHIT WE STOLE FROM INDIA
>>77275358
You probably think the Mongols were advanced. It entirely depends on what you are using to grade.
I mean by your definitions, Mongols were so advanced they wiped the living shit out of Muslims for centuries to come, and also wiping away any reason to consider a golden age ever occurred in Islam.
>>77274700
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
hahaha, there is not a single example of an invention on the whole page!!
Dude did you read the links before you posted them?
Also no inventions!
http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/scienceislam_education/docs/Science_and_technology_in_Medieval_Islam-Teachers_notes.pdf
Seriously, get informed and come back in a year or two!
>>77275358
Mughals rule from Akbar to shahjahan are literally described as the golden age of India.
>>77275652
>Islam never did
>arabs did
>before mohamed
NIGGER Every muslim that invented something was african, persian, central asian or indian.
Arabs never had shit. The only thing the arabs did was deliver islam, top aussie shitpost
>>77275523
The Romans went to war with Arabia after several cities in the Arabian area defected to the Islamic caliphate and the Romans declared war to try and put them in their place, in the process all of their Arabian subjects ended up defecting to the Islamic Caliphate and they were pushed into Anatolia.
Jizya is what they called taxed, everyone payed it, even Muslims, but for Muslims it was called Zakat. Poor people were put on welfare, but barley anyone was poor due to the get lax economic laws and that trade was not taxed thus encouraging merchant guilds.
Also not Muhammad was not a pedo, this is just a myth retards like to make up. His mariages aside from his 1st were political in nature.
That pic is also false
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html
There is an entire wikipedia page on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
You obviously are buttmad over real history.
>>77274852
Iran was the centre of the 400 year golden age you idiot.
Iran fell behind after the Mongols depopulated the country which ended the golden age and then Tamerlane did the same 200 years later in the 1400's. Iran is still recovering from that. It has nothing to do with religion, Iran was a religious tyranny under the Sassanids just before they were conquered by the muslims
>>77275358
>The Chinese and Indians were way behind the rest of the world, even the Europeans
t.muzzie in denial
Europe didn't have the number zero until the 1200s and used Roman numerals for mathematics. Ahahaha you're actually retarded, knowledge comes from wealth which is what China and India had a lot of at the time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)
Iran hasn't been a world power since it became Muslim, even before a modern banking system was in place Iran was an Islamic shithole, stop blaming Jews lol.
>There is a reason we don't hear of the Chinese/Indian Golden Age in medieval history
Maybe because India and China were always contributing science but the only time Islam did was when it took over a bunch of kuffars.
>>77275951
Hahahaha..HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>77266743
>>77266588
This. The only reason islam had a golden age is because we spaniards were a part of the islamic civilization.
Arabs are useless.
>>77275884
The Mongols were advanced, they never built anything, and simply assimilated their conquered nations into themselves, similar to how Islam conquered, thus earning the loyalty of their new subjects.
The Mongols converted to Islam, the Timurids, the Ottomans, the Mughals(Mongols), Golden Horde, the Crimean Khanate, etc...
The mongols definitely has very advanced forms of war fare. Similar to an ancient Blitzkreig
>>77268697
Venice was prosperous all throughout the "dark ages". Rome specifically was shit because of damage to the aqueducts that turned the city into a malaria filled bog.
>>77269410
>>77269630
I find this disrespectful paki
>>77276151
>implying those 'spaniards' were spanish
Still can't admit your african heritage barbosa?
>>77266588
Calling the the "Islamic Golden Age" by this name is the same thing as calling the Enlightenment up until today the "Catholic Golden Age".
Most rulers like Akbar who advanced science, actually distanced themselves from the quranic Islam.
Islam ENDED the Golden Age of the Persian Empire.
Cyrus the Great founded the Persian Empire in 500 BC, and it continued for over a thousand years.
Then Mohammad came along and the place went to shit within a century.
>>77275894
>the first page
>literally optics
>no inventions
>entire page is full of inventions
Did you even read it
>>77275912
Because the Mughals were very rich, they were known for their vast wealth and mineral riches, they were also not Indians, but just a Persian/Mongol/Turkic upperclass ruling over the native indians.
>>77276058
>Religious tyranny
Yeah those vicious Zoroastrians persecuting the Zoroastrian majority of Iran thankfully those peaceful Muslims saved them by forcefully converting them all :^)
>>77276235
Which is what I said.
You are grading it how you like and then acting like it is the precedent everyone considers to be advanced. It is not.
>>77268185
So your dad fucked his sister is that what your telling me here Akmed?
>>77276058
The Mongols actually never destroyed Iran, it quickly recovered after that. They were very rich and wealthy in the 1800s
Iran is in this current state it is today due to US imperialism and the fact they don't sell oil for USD and America wants to invade them.
>>77276406
same for Egypt, never recovered. Was the richest province in Roman empire.
>>77268652
Most of the scientists of that era literally worked for the church you fucking retard.
>>77276317
>like akbar
nigger he was the only one who lost faith and went loony, and his kids immediately fixed his shit
Mughal empire and all of its advances are 100% muslim.
>catholic golden age
if golden age means getting BTFO'd then sure why not, lets call the largest period of decline in power and authority a golden age.
>>77276126
>number 0
The Romans used the word "nulla" in their Roman numerals to represent zero
>india and china are really rich and knowledgeable
>it's why they got conquered so easily by less rich and less knowledgeable people
If they were more advanced they would have a more advanced Army and thus not get colonized or taken over.
They were separated by mountains and only met with a few travelers and cartographers
>iran wasn't a world power
>what is Timurids
>what are Mughals
LOL Iran is a 1st world country, and is only in it's current state after the 1953 CIA coup.
If they were always contributing we would say they have a 2000 year long golden age which still exists today
>t. poo in the loo
Don't be jelly you can't poo in the loo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
>>77275969
Lel, Muhammad himself started hostilities with both the Persians and Romans by raiding their caravans, he furthered this by ordering his followers to bring both Rome and Persia under Allah's submission so obviously the Muslims were planning this for a while. Don't give me your taqiyya bs ahmed.
>The process all of their Arabian subjects ended up defecting to the Islamic Caliphate and they were pushed into Anatolia
There weren't any Arabs outside of the Arabian peninsula at the time, Assyrian Christians were the majority in much of the levant, and I'm not a Christian but I'm sure they would rather live in a Christian country over a Muslim one. Everything you say sounds like something that would come off a Muslim Fox Network.
>Everyone paid jizya, even muslims
>Except Muslims who had to pay zakat
Wat
>Huffpost opinion post
Wew,lad
>>77276151
>we spaniards were a part of the islamic civilization
WE
>>77276406
>>77276632
>persia getting BTFO'd every 50 years by romans
>egypt being ruled by romans
>golden age
kek
The Mamluks reprsented egypts golden age
Persia enjoyed its own golden age after the turks took over and revived its culture.
All of the famous islamic scholars, bukhari, muslim, tirmidhi, abu hanifa, ibn hanbal are persian
![IMG_2338[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SOy1yE5.jpg "IMG_2338[2].jpg")
>>77275969
Mudbeard internet defense force pls go
>>77276500
No I'm using actual history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Nations that are technologically superior always show it through their military might, and they always unite their region. India and China weren't even unified until the British showed up.
>>77277056
>starting hostilities
>native arab land under literal occupation
wew lad
>not understanding how everyone pays taxes but under a dif name
not even that anon but you are fucking retarded
>>77276469
Yes you retard. The Sassanids purged Hellenistic influence from the region, persecuted Zoroastrian sects that weren't their own like the Mazdakis which were huge. Persecuted Christians for the first time in Zoroastrian history. The Zoroastrian faith went into sharp decline even before the muslims took over and many of their major fire temples went into disrepair. The Zoroastrian priesthood was considered as more and more corrupted and was falling apart.
>>77277035
You can't do math with a word dumbass. Theres a reason they adopted Indian numerals and zero, because you can do math using the value system a lot easier. Maybe if you took a STEM program instead of islamiv studies you wouldn't be so retarded.
>What are the timurids?
Poorer than the Delhi sultanate and China
>What are the mughals?
An Indian kingdom, kek
Diaspora detected. Call me poo in loo if you want Reza but I'm a Zoroastrian I'm less Arab than you.
>>77277404
Native arab land, which is the Arabian Peninsula was never under persian or roman occupation.
>>77277512
numerals are just really short words
They were always savages. Culturally and architecturally there was greatness around 9th century to 13th century though.
>>77267446
I'm disappoint you didn't bring up Vienna.
>>77277056
No Muhammad never even went to war with the Persians and never wanted to and forbade hostilities with Persia who he saw as culturally similar.
Also he never employed raiding tactics with Rome, and avoided fighting them since they were stronger, the only reason he managed to win was to win over the Roman provinces that were discontented with Roman rule.
You clearly are a history illiterate retard.
>there weren't any arabs outside the arabian peninsula
Northern Arabia was part of the Roman Empire, lol retard. The Christians sided with the Muslims because they were culturally similar and didn't like the Romans who were Orthodox and they were something else.
Here's Coptic Monk John of Nikiu on why the Muslims beat the Romans. Not through battles but through honor and morals.
>On the twentieth of Maskaram, Theodore and all his troops and officers set out and proceeded to the island of Cyprus, and abandoned the city of Alexandria. And thereupon 'Amr the chief of the Moslem made his entry without effort into the city of Alexandria. And the inhabitants received him with respect; for they were in great tribulation and affliction. And Abba Benjamin, the patriarch of the Egyptians, returned to the city of Alexandria in the thirteenth year after his flight from the Romans, and he went to the Churches, and inspected all of them. And every one said: 'This expulsion (of the Romans) and victory of the Moslem is due to the wickedness of the emperor Heraclius and his persecution of the Orthodox through the patriarch Cyrus. This was the cause of the ruin of the Romans and the subjugation of Egypt by the Moslem. And 'Amr became stronger every day in every field of his activity. And he exacted the taxes which had been determined upon, but he took none of the property of the Churches, and he committed no act of spoliation or plunder, and he preserved them throughout all his days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence#Ethics_of_warfare
>>77277512
>An Indian kingdom, kek
Actually Mughals were Mongolians
This is the fucking reason why Islam
Spread so far, so fast
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Sasanian_War_of_602–628
The Persians and Byzantines fought each other to the point of exhaustion. Had they not destroyed each other, Islam would be nothing but a backwater religion confined to Saudi Arabia.
>>77276621
The Mongols depopulated Iran by an estimated 70-90%. They put all major cities to the sword and the rest fled West as refugees. Iran has been an economic backwater since then, it was briefly wealthy during the Safavid Period thanks to the Silk Road but when the Europeans discovered sea routes to the East surpassing the Silk Road the trade route collapsed and so did the Safavid State. The Afghans briefly conquered Iran sending it into turmoil once again and then Nader Shah had a series of wars against the Afghans, Mughals, Ottomans and Russians to recreate the Iranian State. The Qajar dynasty ruled in the 1800's and was in absolute shambles during this period experiencing a few major famines.
Iran's population only recovered to pre-Mongol Invasion levels in around the 1950's.
I actually read books unlike 99% of /pol/. I mostly just shitpost but i'll make a serious comment once in awhile.
>>77277480
Saying that Zoroastrianism declined due to the reforms of Mazdak and Mani is like saying Catholicism ended Christianity during the great schism, or protestantism ended Christianity for going against the HRE. The Sassanid's purged Christian influence, the Sassanid's was the first place European pagans would flee to. Not to mention they were closer to the Indians more than ever which resulted in many advances and resulted in games such as chess and backgammon. Jeez, you dumb refugee why didn't your boat capsize.
>>77277512
>can't do math with words
>what is modern computer programming languages
What is sin,cos,tan? You do know what variables are.
The Mughals were a Islamic nation, so were the Delhi Sultanate, which were Turkic and Central Asian nations that just colonized India. You might as well say Britain was an African nation since they took over Africa
>pic related
>>77277534
>never under persian or roman occupation
wew
the arabian peninsula was always occupied, rome and persia were just too busy fighting each other to care about an arab revolt
>>77277819
>I am literally retarded
its usually when other powers start being retarded that newer powers take their place
>>77277704
>The Christians sided with the Muslims because they were culturally similar and didn't like the Romans who were Orthodox and they were something else
Eastern christians in the North Arabia were Orthodox christians. Also copts were in Egypt, not in Levant or arabia
>muslim american education
>>77266588
Any measure of Islamic enligtenment was prompted by its rate of conquest.
>>77278039
They weren't occupied, there were protectorate states of Persians and Ethiopians. Levant isn't Arabia, retard.
>to care about an arab revolt
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>77278089
John Of Nikiu is from Egypt, I just cited a quote from him on why the Arabs beat the Romans so easily even though they were militarily weaker. The Ghassinids in the Roman arabian provinces converted to Islam and defected to the rising Islamic power, who had a better free market and didn't interfere in trade.
>>77277512
>mughals
>indians
KEK
Hindu indians have been ruled over by muslims since islam started
If pakistan wasnt a thing it might be that way today as well.
Literally stole all of their inventions from the people they conquered. Never developed anything of their own accord. Land thieves and idea thieves, literally basis of their religion.
>>77278263
>I just cited a quote from him on why the Arabs beat the Romans so easily even though they were militarily weaker. The Ghassinids in the Roman arabian provinces converted to Islam and defected to the rising Islamic power, who had a better free market and didn't interfere in trad
That's true, never claimed otherwise
>>77278089
there were other groups of christians you fuktard
>free finnish education
>>77278237
Arabia extended out of the peninsula into the deserts of the levant you dumb ass motherfucker
Before Muhammad the ethiopians got BTFO'd out
During his lifetime, the persians had no manpower to govern their occupied arab territories, the prophet united them, and sought to consolidate all of arabia, then one of the arab tribes IN THE LEVANT went to the romans and initiated hostilities.
>>77278473
>Literally stole all of their inventions from the people they conquered
Not all but most, probably like 80% were stolen from greeks, romans, egyptians and persians.
>>77277819
That's part of the reason, the Sassanid-Parthian confederacy was discussing dissolution of the Empire even before the Arabs crossed the Zagros Mountains into the core provinces of Iran. The issue had been that they fought roughly 300 years against East Rome and were exhausted and the Sassanid Dynasty pushed relations to the brink with demanding taxes and levies to fight these wars.
The other issue is that the Sassanid Empire devolved into a religious tyranny. They were a hyper-persian hyper-Zoroastrian dynasty that was purging the Empire of certain 'foreign' influences. They hated the Hellenes and were purging their influence out of the Empire (there were Greek speaking communities across the Empire even as the Muslims invaded). They were persecuting Christians (Christianity was spreading very fast during the later Sassanid era) and they were persecuting Zoroastrian sects that weren't their own. The Zoroastrian faith was going through a steep collapse even before the muslims conquered Persia. It still took about 500 years for Persia to become a majority muslim nation. The first Caliphate that ruled persia was very unpopular but then there was the Abbasid Revolution which originated within Persia and was a lot more popular.
>>77278496
Then why'd you respond with something irrelevant to my post?
>>77278473
>Literally stole all of their inventions from the people they conquered
yes like everyone else ever.
>Never developed anything of their own accord
not true, stop being a retarded kangaroo
>>77278008
I'm not saying that. I'm saying people were abandoning the faith, their major fire temples went into disrepair even before the Muslims came to Persia. People were converting to other faiths in huge numbers.
The Christian refugees fleeing Anatolia went to Mesopotamia mostly. Please read a book
It's time to close loopholes like Article 3 of the Constitution and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments, we need more immigration.
>>77277704
I said he encouraged war with them, not he went to war you dumb Arab. Zoroastrians and parsis are in no way culturally similar to Arabs lmao. Arabs wouldn't even let Zoroastrians own dogs because Muhammad didn't like them instead they encouraged pussies, like Muhammad.
"Lataftahanna al-Qustantiniyya wa lanima al-amiru amiruha wa lanima al-jayshu dhalika al-jaysh."
"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!"
Narrated from Bishr al-Khathami or al-Ghanawi by: Ahmad, al-Musnad 14:331 #18859 [sahih chain according to Hamza al-Zayn] al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak 4:421-422 [sahih according to him and al-Dhahabi concurred] al-Tabarani, al-Mujam al-Kabir 2:38 #1216 [sahih chain according to al-Haythami 6:218-219] al-Bukhari, al-Tarikh al-Kabir 2:81 and al-Saghir 1:306 Ibn Abd al-Barr, al-Istiab 8:170 [hasan chain according to him] al-Suyuti, al-Jami` al-Saghir [sahih according to him]
It says in the Hadith's he wanted war with Rome, why should I believe you over the Hadith? You clearly know nothing of Islamic history.
>there weren't any Arabs outside the Arabian peninsula
>Northern Arabia was part of the Roman Empire, lol retard. The Christians sided with the Muslims because they were culturally similar and didn't like the Romans who were Orthodox and they were something else.
No, the northern part of the Arabian peninsula was not under the romans. Sinai might have been, but it was irrelevant to Islamic conquests.
>>77278621
Yeah there were oriental orthodox christians as well but they were minority. Only in Egypt did Christians at first cheer when muslims marched in. At first. Arabia doesn't extend to levant you dumb halal-burger, it barely reaches north of modern Jordan and west of Petra. Btw people living in Petra at the time oh Muhammad weren't arabs.
Learn to fucking read, Mo.
>>77269616
>all dat ahemd back peddling
lol
>>77278018
>Norse
>Zoroastrian
Wat. Can you not read? All those concepts you listed need numbers. Try pressing equal on your calculator woth nothing in the brackets of the sin function. Way to show everyone you've only taken high school math.
I know the mughals and Delhi sultanate were Islamic Turk countries, I as telling you they weren't Iranian, which they are not. Not sure what your point is. You were just arguing the timurids were Iranian but now by your logic they're Turks? Okay fine by me, I was just trying to prove Iran has been a piece of shit after it became Muslim.
>>77278819
Mesopotamia was under the Sassanid's at the time retardo. It's painfully evident you've never read a book before.
>>77266588
It fail short of the renaissance and the industrial revolution in my very honest opunion
>>77278972
No he didn't encourage war with the Persians, he forbade it as he wanted to ally with them. After he died. Abu Bakr went to war with Persia after Persia infringed on their territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia#Revolt_of_the_Arab_client_states_.28602.29
That's a Hadith where during the Battle of Trench(a battle where a larger army was going to seige them), Muhammad tries to inspire his army by saying one say the Muslims will be in charge of Syria, Iraq, Egypt, the Mediterranean, and one day Constantinople too. So this inspired them to dig a trench faster and work harder to survive the siege.
He simply took Jeruselum and the Arab provinces of Rome, which was all he could take since Rome was stronger than them, so wanting a war with Rome would be stupid.
The Romans also controlled territory all the way to the Euphrates river.
>>77279264
>facts
>reason
>hurr durr dat backpeddling
>>77278269
I said Indian not Hindu. You do realize the difference between ethnicity and religion or was reading comprehension not taught in your particular refugee camps?
>>77267915
Algebra. The guys name was Algebra basically. The only one of the top of my head.
>>77266588
Muslims wer actually rather liberal back in the day compared to Christian Europe which was under the boot of the Vatican.
>>77279549
>doesn't know this spurdo meme
>is probably retarded
Sine, by itself is just 0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sine
The Mughals, and the rest were Iranian/Turkic, you can even see it in the architecture, like the Taj Mahal
The Timurids were Iranian/Turkic, just look at how Tamerlane looks like. Iran was in a golden age after being Muslims, it contributed the most to the Caliphate
>being this retarded
>>77279725
That's "contested territory" as in they were fighting on that area.
>>77279904
Nowhere in that article does it say Persia attacked first, in fact it says the opposite, that Muslims invaded first "Arab Muslims first attacked the Sassanid territory in 633, when general Khalid ibn Walid invaded Mesopotamia".
Why would a crumbling Sassanian Persia attack someone? Sounds like Islamic propaganda to me, bruv.
>>77267915
What about Arabic Numerals?
>>77279207
look at a map you idiot, it extends into the deserts of syria and iraq, including the areas of the dead sea
>>77280356
>Since the 1st century BC, the border between the Roman (later Byzantine) and Parthian (later Sassanid) empires had been the Euphrates River. The border was constantly contested. Most battles, and thus most fortifications, were concentrated in the hilly regions of the north, as the vast Arabian or Syrian Desert (Roman Arabia) separated the rival empires in the south. The only dangers expected from the south were occasional raids by nomadic Arab tribesmen. Both empires therefore allied themselves with small, semi-independent Arab principalities, which served as buffer states and protected Byzantium and Persia from Bedouin attacks. The Byzantine clients were the Ghassanids; the Persian clients were the Lakhmids. The Ghassanids and Lakhmids feuded constantly—which kept them occupied, but that did not greatly affect the Byzantines or the Persians. In the 6th and 7th centuries, various factors destroyed the balance of power that had held for so many centuries.
The Arabs they had as puppets revolted and joined(allied, but to them it was considered joining) the Islamic Caliphate, then which they went to war with the Arabs.
>After the Ridda Wars, a tribal chief of north eastern Arabia, Al-Muthanna ibn Haritha, raided the Persian towns in Mesopotamia (what is now Iraq).
So Persia went to war with the revolters, the revolters allied with the Muslims and Persia was kill
>>77280049
Turkic, Mongol, Arab, Persian Muslims ruled over a very ethnic indo-persian majority
better?
>>77269258
I believe they spread Algebra, and they maintained many of the Greek, Roman, Byzantine and Egyptian writings that would have otherwise been lost during the "Dark Age."
But, it has been years since I read of this.
>>77280299
No, sine 0 is 0. Sine by itself is just a function. You just said the British couldn't become African by colonizing Africa, so how did Tamerlane the Turk become "Iranian/turkic". He never called himself Iranian he was a Turk through and through not even slightly Iranian.
>In a golden age under the caliphate
Why did Iranian Muslims help overthrow them then? Why did the Arabs keep trying to enforce Arabic on the content Iranians then?
Lol, Muslim logic makes no sense. It's just a bunch of shit and then you retards just think Allah comes in and makes it all work.
>>77280353
According to you, not to history you dumb nigger.
>>77280708
>Protected Byzantium and Persia from Bedouin attacks
Yup, sure sounds like the Persians wanted to invade the Arabs. Like what would they have done that for? Making sand castles? Show me a Wikipedia page of this Persian invasion of the caliphate that lead to the Muslim invasion of Persia.
>>77280986
>put "sin(" into calculator
>press calculate
>result 0
>what is mixed race
Tamerlane descended from Genghis Khan, and other Turkic people as well as native Iranians.
The Abbasid Revolution was to overthrow a royal family which got corrupt due to their new wealth and power. The Arabs never tried to enforce anything on them, Iranian Muslims became a different culture and were autonomous.
>Arab Muslims conquests have been variously seen in Iran: by some as a blessing, the advent of the true faith, the end of the age of ignorance and heathenism; by others as a humiliating national defeat, the conquest and subjugation of the country by foreign invaders. Both perceptions are of course valid, depending on one's angle of vision… Iran was indeed Islamized, but it was not Arabized. Persians remained Persians. And after an interval of silence, Iran reemerged as a separate, different and distinctive element within Islam, eventually adding a new element even to Islam itself. Culturally, politically, and most remarkable of all even religiously, the Iranian contribution to this new Islamic civilization is of immense importance. The work of Iranians can be seen in every field of cultural endeavor, including Arabic poetry, to which poets of Iranian origin composing their poems in Arabic made a very significant contribution. In a sense, Iranian Islam is a second advent of Islam itself, a new Islam sometimes referred to as Islam-i Ajam. It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India. The Ottoman Turks brought a form of Iranian civilization to the walls of Vienna
>t. Bernard Lewis, PhD Islamic historian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
>>77281090
>according to you
No according to the Map you posted, see where it says "contested territory"
>>77281517
It's literally in the Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia#First_invasion_of_Mesopotamia_.28633.29
>get rekt cause you're a shitty leader oppressing your people
>cry when they side with someone else and helps them conquer you
>>77266588
Yes, Islam is currently having a Golden Age. They're free to attack people and in return, the media feels sympathetic to the Islamic community.
>>77267214
>>77267412
Lmao Hungry literally got BTFO by 55k roaches. This is next level of pathetic
>>77281861
... I should consider converting. There is a small chance I`ll be on the right side of history... the roaches are the future, it is inevitable, the Qua-ran was right all along... Europe will fall... Islam is the future... Islam is the only true redpill...
ALLAHU AKBAR !
>>77281547
I can't tell if you're just trolling with the sine thing anymore. Have you ever taken math passed high school?
>Caliph Umar was assassinated in November 644 by a Persian slave named Piruz Nahavandi. The assassination is often seen by various historians as a Persian conspiracy against Umar.[35] Hormuzan is said to have masterminded this plot. Caliph Uthman ibn Affan (644–656) succeeded Umar. During his reign almost the whole of the former Sassanid empire's territory rebelled from time to time until 651, until the last Sassanid emperor was assassinated near Merv ending the Sassanid dynasty and Persian resistance to the Muslims. Caliph Uthman therefore had to send several military expeditions to crush the rebellions and recapture Persia and their vassal states. The Empire expanded beyond the borders of the Sassanid Empire in Transoxiana, Baluchistan and the Caucasus. The main rebellion was in the Persian provinces of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fars, Sistan (in 649), Khorasan (651), and Makran (650).[48]
Nah, bruh, the Persians just hated the caliphate and definitely didn't contribute to it aside from a few rebellions.
>Muh Islam
I wouldn't expect muslim Iranians to say anything bad about the Muslim conquest in Iran, why are you even showing me that you retard? Muslims also think they're the religion of peace.
Lel, Timur wasn't Iranian tho
That map doesn't include Mesopotamia in the contested area, most of it and Baghdad itself is in traditional areas.
>>77267973
>Islam bans art
>there are literally thousands of medieval paintings of Muhammad
>>77269456
bizantine greek offical started after 600 ...the illyrians emperors are never mentoned lol ... even i learned it later in life
>>77281788
Okay but you said the Persians attacked the caliphate first. Which they obviously didn't. I don't care if they annexed their own Arab client states and the fact that some Arabs sold them out doesn't prove anything. You still haven't shown me a page that says Persia attacked the Muslims caliphate first which lead to the Islamic conquest of Persia. You've only shown me pages saying the Sassanid's have attacked their own client state and the client state of Byzantium.
>get rekt cause you're a shitty leader oppressing your people
>cry when they side with someone else and helps them conquer you
Lel, aren't you faggots crying about America doing this in the middle East today?
>>77272443
>You could not use viking steel to build skyscrapers, even the Islamic iron and steel had carbon fiber in it, although they didn't know about carbon nanotubes, they knew certain carbon compounds in Iron would make it stronger
You are talking about Damascus or Wootz steel, which is of indian origin and infact production.
>>77278269
>Hindu indians have been ruled over by muslims since islam started
lol what a load of shit, the first delhi sultanate was established in 1200 AD that is after Tarain in 1191-92, which led to the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate which is from 1203 onwards so 12th-13th century onwards to the arrival of the mughals in mid 16th century(1526). Mughals collapsed in the 1700s due to the Marathas and they were eventually overcome by the british who established themselves by around the late 1700s.
So 13th to 18th century, that is 5 centuries, islam has been active for 1500 years.
So you are lying or stupid.
>>77266588
Cordoba had a period of about 200 years where it was one of the centres of civilisation. that only took place b/c the caliphate was re-drawn exclusively as the Iberian peninsula that told Baghdad to go fuck itself.
They ran with christian writings, art, and ideals and made it their own.
After that, nothing.
WE WAS KANGS
Islam didn’t really invent anything, they took credit for and/or inherited/assimilated the inventions/discoveries that the Dhimmi made under Arab regimes.
It all came from Christians(Copts, Nestorians), Zoroastrians, Jews, Pagans, Hindu and Greek Culture. People are mislead to think that Arabs/Muslims invented things and advanced knowledge because people were given Arabic names and their works published in Arabic which was virtually the official language of the land.
Examples:
Arab architecture was built/adapted by Dhimmi, Persian and Byzantine origins, Calipph Abd el-Malik hired Byzantine architects and craftsmen to build the dome of the rock, which is why it resembles the church of the holy sepulcher.
Avicenna, Omar Khayyam, al-Biruni, and Razi were Persian(Zoroastrian). Al-Khwarizmi credited as the father of algebra was a Persian, Al-Uqlidisi who is credited to introducing fractions was a Syrian. Bakht-Ishu and ibnIshaq who expanded medical knowledge were Nestorian Christians. Masha'allah ibn Athari a famous astronomer was a Jew.
Arabic numerals were Hindu origin. The Thabit ibn Qurra, who made many contributions to geometry was a pagan.
The knowledge and advances in medicine were made by Nestorian Christians at Nisibus, Nisibus being a hub of higher education offered by Nestorians. Hunayn ibn Ishaq al-'Ibadi (Johannitius) was a Nestorian Christian who primarily collected and translated Greek manuscripts into Arabic
The list can go on and on. But don’t misconstrue that there were no Muslim scholars that existed.
>>77266588
ISLAM never had a golden age.
The Arabian world however did.
People dont know how to put 1 and 1 together.
>1258
>Mongols essentially destroy the golden age single handedly
>the river was said to be coloured black and red from the books and the blood
>the radical muslims say "GOD SENT THE FINS TO PUNISH US"
>10 years later the Muslim world starts changing doctrine to allow for a more literal interpretation of the quran and hadiths
>1260-1914 Islam ruled supreme
>1914-2001 wahabism ruled supreme
>2001-2016 the west is getting enriched
>>77266588
sand niggers
