Why is abortion a leftist position?
Because it helps destroy nations.
It's not inherently left or right.
Originally it ws legal in the North American colonies, until the late 1800's when various groups of doctors basically pushed the issue through church groups to remove one of the mainstay procedures of apothecaries and midwives, and erode public perceptions of them being medical practitioners.
Not that anybody here cares about actual history, or even a nuanced answer that is devoid of slogans...or even knows what the left/right paradigm actually represents...
>>77218250
Those look delicious.
>>77218250
thats one rare pepe
>>77218340
fpbp
>>77218649
I made a thread because I care, didn't I you smug fuck
>>77218250
I think the answer is incredibly simple.
>Lethargy
Abortion is just about being lazy and/or carefree. They don't want the responsibility of a child because oh you know.......
>THIRSTY THURSDAY WITH THE GIRLS!!!!! LOL!!!!
>>77218250
That's hot, got any more of those pics?
>>77218250
delete this right now
>>77218786
Which you began by asserting a falsehood displaying your complete ignorance of the subject.
"Left" denotes a political structure in which power is theoretically derived (primarily) from a collective in a manner that is accessible to all citizens.
If you actually meant to ask why it is referred to as a leftist issue, it's because left-learning political groups generally fall onto the side of defending sovereignty over one's body. This is why you may see them arguing in favour of concepts such as euthanasia as well.
And people conflate this with being inherently leftist, because they are simple minded retards who learned about politics through marketers, and they have no fucking clue what the "left"
even is, let alone comprehend nuance such as conservatism and progressiveness being methods of shaping and applying policy, and not actual ideologies unto themselves.
I like abortion because of the disproportionate amount of shitskins it kills. I would never want abortion for anyone in my family, we'd find a way to take care of the child unless it was a nigger, then we'd have to do a 40+ trimester abortion on the woman.
I really just wish people would acknowledge that abortion is murder and that most of the time it's done because the woman is lazy and doesn't want the responsibility, lets just call it what it is.
>>77218250
Right wing cucks for some reason want a larger dindu population
>>77219677
I'd call wanting to conserve a life pretty conservative.
>>77218250
It's not.
>>77218649
Good post.
Because it is a feminist cause.
>>77218250
Because it is has been made into a women's rights issue, completely ignoring the fetus/baby's life before a certain point. If BLM actually did what they claim to do, they would be protesting outside Planned Parenthood and pushing for stricter abortion since it kills more nogs than any race riot or mass lynching ever has. But they don't. And that is why they're still only ~13% of the U.S. population.
>>77219677
a fucking leaf
>>77218340
/thread
>>77220121
Post yfw a nig is aborted
>mfw
>>77218250
because the left hates blacks more than anyone else. They only pretend to support them for votes, but in reality they want to keep their numbers as low as possible while still holding an edge on elections
>>77218250
>Why is abortion a leftist position?
It is really an attack on women's rights. Women are biologically designed to control their own reproduction and ethically charged with deciding whether or not they will become mothers.
It doesn't matter if you are a deontologist or teleologist, women have a right to self determination,
When women's rights of childbearing are respected, the state thrives. In places where the state controls childbearing and women are denied their rights, the culture destroys itself.
Stalin, Hitler and Mao were all anti-abortion during their nations' greatest killing years. However the USSR and China reversed that after their leader's deaths and stopped the killings, too.
>>77219765
>I'd call wanting to conserve a life pretty conservative.
The fetus is not "alive" on its own, so the point is self-contradicting. I'd call that a conservative position.
>>77218250
Because religion has defined the left/right dichotomy for decades.
>>77218250
Because the left is obsessed with death.
>>77219680
>I really just wish people would acknowledge that abortion is murder
We all wish others were as gullible as we are. But that still wouldn't make it "murder".
That would deprive women of their natural right to decide for themselves if they want to be mothers.
>>77220666
Here comes Satan trying to convince us just because some woman can slice a baby out of her stomach a month early and it
>Surprise!
dies that it's not a human being.
Whatever though, however you have to mentally contort to deal with killing a baby. I really don't care, I just think it's funny all the mental gymnastics these women put themselves through to convince themselves that they did it for reasons other than laziness and that a fully functional human wouldn't have popped out of them if they weren't self absorbed sluts.
>>77218340
Kek'd hard
>>77218250
because even clumps of cells have the right to live
>>77220976
Putting a pair of motorized tongs up a cooch and stopping a babies heartbeat and sucking it out with a vacuum is pretty cut and dry, well not literally
Whatever people have to do to make themselves feel better after deciding to take the lazy whores way out. Whatever game of semantics is necessary to make you feel like you're not ending somethings life.
>>77220976
>willfully robbing human life isn't murder
black is white, up is down, cats can be dogs and dogs can be cats
Babies cant vote, women can.
>>77221026
>Here comes Satan trying to convince us just because some woman can slice a baby out of her stomach a month early and it dies that it's not a human being.
It's human tissue when it's a fetus. It's a human being when it's born.
God clear equates breath with life in the Bible. Look up breath and breathe in your concordance.
Satan killed off all the firstborn infants in Egypt one day...no wait...that was God. And you worship him. /Well played.
>>77218340
>>77218250
It's not, abortion literally started out as eugenics and to keep the black population in check.
And it's still that if you care to look at statistics. Proportional majority of mothers who abort are black.
Leftists just pick it up because it seems like women's rights to them.
Religious conservatives oppose it because they're cucks.
I'm getting really sick of retards who know nothing about anything but just oppose it because they blindly follow an ideology.
Honestly though, can anyone here even imagine having an abortion for anything other than health reasons or rape?
I would not be able to live with myself, I'd always be haunted with having fragged my kid pre-spawn. Hell if I didn't want it, I'd just give it away to some fire dept.
>>77221433
PS that said I'd be ok with outlawing abortions for households with a high income, and inversely giving low income outcomes money for abortions.
It could be painted as a general "overpopulation control" thing rather than eugenics.
>>77221383
>>77221383
Two (you)'s is the best I can do, I tip my trilby in your general direction.
>>77221532
>low income outcomes
low income households*
>>77221213
>the lazy whores way out.
>>77221026
>if they weren't self absorbed sluts
>>77219680
>because the woman is lazy and doesn't want the responsibility
The pattern is clear. You despise the women.
Or you all attended the same propaganda indoctrination together. Either is not good.
>>77218250
Because self-appointed intellectuals hijacked the workers' rights movement, realised that the workers were uninterested in their weird projects for changing humanity and that they themselves weren't numerous enough to take power, and started looking around for various tendencies to jump on the bandwagon of. A perfect such tendency is anything involving the feels of stupid self-interested people when they come up against societal morality. Hence the alliance with foetus killers and gays.
>>77221485
I got a girl pregnant once. She was my high school qt and I had only broken out of the friendzone after 2 long years. I loved her and I still do.
She got pregnant the first time we had sex (no condom, surprise surprise) and decided to get an abortion without telling me. Soon afterwards she decided to get back with her old bf.
Kills me inside. I still can't drink alcohol because if I do, I'll think about it and drink til I blackout or worse.
>>77221735
How is it not lazy to give up on a baby when it's not threatening your health or a rape baby that you had no say in conceiving?
I'll wait for the gymnastics!
>muh life full of potential and scho-
>>77221383
>God clear equates breath with life in the Bible. Look up breath and breathe in your concordance.
You've got to be fucking braindead to believe that. Have you never known what it is to feel a baby moving around inside the mother? They even "communicate" in a way, by pushing back against you and responding to various things like noise and whatever the mother eats. To use some text written by a bunch of weird Semitic priests several millennia ago to justify this stupid position is just disappointing.
>>77221485
>not be able to live with myself,
IOW women should not be able to either. They should suffer the same level of misinformation you do, correct?
The difference in this case is, you are the rights-grabber, not the group being denied its rights.
>>77221774
tell me again this person isn't a hero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Views
Particularily her views on race and eugenics.
This is the person who invented planned parenthood to abort as many niggers as possible, with the goal to wipe out subhumans, and you fucking absolute retards paint it as WAHH INHUMAN because your retard semitic religion tells you it's not good.
bluepilled as fuck desu
Give them the choice, whatever.
But it should come with severe social stigma.
If they aborted their baby for any reason other than a detected disease/severe disability, then I think they should be treated like a sex offender.
I can't imagine what it would feel like if your girl aborted your kid against your will.
>>77221865
These are the evils of it that aren't immediately obvious to the superficial children that make up most of our voting populations, alas. Grim old story, sorry about that.
>>77222062
I guess the baby has no right to live? They could just donate the baby lol, people line up for years for white babies.
>>77221433
>Proportional majority of mothers who abort are black
America is not the only country with abortion dipshit. Abortion in white european countries contributes to declining birthrates which is used as an excuse for mass immigration
>>77222106
Why do you assume I'm a Christian? I'm not. I'm not particularly anti-Christian, though. And a negroid-extermination programme that does NOT work rapidly is obviously very susceptible to being halted, and THEN used to stir feelings against the perpetrators later on. In other words, stupid. Repatriation, or full regional autonomy within the USA were the only real solutions to the negro problem, and anything else was just asking for dangerous reactions.
>>77222136
>Give them the choice, whatever.
>But it should come with severe social stigma.
This is probably most sensible. Perhaps with informal mechanisms to try to ensure "in demand" (code word for white!) babies get adopted instead - small financial rewards could help this, even.
>>77218250
Abortion is pretty much the one question that effectively reveals the true nature of the leftist cockroach. Life begins when male and female reproductive cells merge. This is a scientific fact. I dare you to find me a paper in embryology that says otherwise. Terminating the pregnancy is equal to terminating life,it is murder. If you are wondering why there is much dispute over the period in which the abortion is legal you are going to be quite surprised by a common sense explanation I will give you here. It is limited to the first few weeks ( varying in different countries ) because the fetus ( blastocyst that evolves ) is amorfous-it does not resemble a human being thus it is easier to treat it as a lump of cells and not a developing human being. It is quite funny that retards fighting for abortion are using the reductionist argument ( "Its only cells" or "It only represents a potential from which the human will be spawned." ). Also, dont you find it quite funny that the left,which has no sympathies for the private property, actually thinks that another living being inside a mother is her private property and that no one can violate that. Abortion is also the next step down the ladder to complete sexual/societal degeneracy. You see, with abortion you do not have to take responsibility ( think about the modern welfare society which views responsibility as an unnecessary burden ) for your actions and you are given a medal of bravery/progressiveness from the high browed half-witted pseudointelligentsia smothering our civilization on her death bed. You can look at how abortion soared in the African-American/DINDU community after the power vacuum left by MLKs death ( again,look up MLK interviews/essays/speeches and his thoughts and compare them with BLM "views" on the subject) and how sexual degeneration decimated blacks. If you take your time and think properly about abortion you will gain great insights about the state of society you are a part of.
>>77218250
Because the left is against everything good, even the sanctity of human life. We all can see what degeneracy leads too in our societies, there are very real and destructive consequences to the decay of traditional christian values. Everything ties together and makes sense when you're truly a right winger, a lot on /pol/ are leaning towards the right direction but they're still clinging on to their degenerate fedoras and self destructive lifestyles which leads them to let some things slide.
>>77219677
>>77218250
They promote everything what is degenerate
>>77222590
your whole retarded argument breaks down when you realize that women bleed out those same exact cells that could have been life about once a month
or that men ejaculate them 3 times a week
if early stage abortion is murder; then so is menstruation, ejaculation, cleaning bacteria from your shit stained walls, etc.
>>77218340
80% of babies dying from abortion are turd-skins you know
>>77218250
Does anyone else notice these one sentence picutre slide threads, everyone replies to them, and there is always only one post by the OP, saged
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>>77222369
>Why do you assume I'm a Christian?
I'm wrong to assume you're Christian, but you're acting according to Christian morals right now.
>and anything else was just asking for dangerous reactions.
It's a great success actually.
Abortion today still keeps the black population in check. Margaret Sanger was highly successful. If not for her, the US would by now be 60% black or worse.
It's funny that now the people who claim to be race realists are actively working to destroy what she set up. You're getting played by something, and I'm inclined to say it's the religion stemming from judaism.
>>77222353
Do you have a source for that?
See pic related. Google these states. You'll find the ones with more immigrants tend to have more abortions.
>>77222003
>You've got to be fucking braindead to believe that.
Critically reading the contents of the bible is stating fact. Believing what the bible says requires faith.
>77221026 says this is Satan. As a non-believer, I don't know how to tell the difference. But I can read the presumed "words of God" and he seems to be fairly clear about specifically when he thinks life begins (at breath).
>Have you never known what it is to feel a baby moving around inside the mother?
I've had parasites before and believe me you can feel them moving around inside you.
>They even "communicate" in a way, by pushing back against you and responding to various things like noise and whatever the mother eats.
It sounds like you are personifying something based on animation. You can dig up a worm from the ground and get it to respond to stimuli.
>To use some text written by a bunch of weird Semitic priests several millennia ago to justify this stupid position is just disappointing.
He started it. I just pointed out his glaring contradiction.
>>77222840
>>77222840
What part of "merging the reproductive cells creates life-a zygote" did you not understand? Are you fucking retarded? Menstruation/masturbation does not get of zygotes you Japanese rape baby. How about you read a book or two,maybe then the Japanese would leave your tiny dicked nation alone.
>>77222353
>Abortion in white european countries contributes to declining birthrates which is used as an excuse for mass immigration
I don't have the actual numbers for it, but abortions probably only makes up like 1% of the "possible humans that could have been".
Mostly it stems from our culture, where we would rather spend time studying and climbing the ranks of our job than having children.
Also, if you wanna talk about sort of anti-pregancy measures, condoms and pills probably make up like 98% of the field, remaining 2% is reserved for abortions and falling down stairs.
To blame declining birthrates on abortion is outright ridicolous
>>77222840
eggs and sperm cells cannot normally develop into humans.
once an egg is fertilized, it is a human.
of course, Catholics try to protect eggs and sperm cells as well.
>>77218250
abortion is a right, same as the right to have weapons for mc donalds i guess. wheter they use it in an acceptable way or not is up to the single person.
Also pretty much all people i know are pro abortion, both right and left, only ultra religious faggots are against
>>77222590
>Life begins when male and female reproductive cells merge. This is a scientific fact. I dare you to find me a paper in embryology that says otherwise.
You made the claim, you need to provide the scientific paper that proves life beings at conception. We'll wait right here while you get your "proof".
>>77219988
australia got it right first
>>77222625
>Because the left is against everything good,
Straight from Der Furher's playbook.
>>77223131
a normal egg or sperm cell will never start dividing and turn into a human. talk about blue balls. ouch.
a fertilized egg will immediately start dividing, which is what life is.
>>77222840
he's clearly talking about a zygote, not eggs or sperm alone
>>77222625
>decay of traditional christian values.
>decay of traditional christian values.
>decay of traditional christian values.
>decay of traditional christian values.
It was worth repeating.
>>77223029
so killing a cell is not murder, but killing two cells which have combined is suddenly considered life + murder? when can you begin to realize how erroneous your logic is?
also im not korean, i live in korea, nice try
i make 3x the salary of you and your inbred christian parents combined
>>77222625
>sanctity of human life
said no nuker ever
>>77223100
>once an egg is fertilized, it is a human.
The egg and sperm were human before they met, correct?
>>77223327
>also im not korean, i live in korea, nice try
Liar.
How much starcraft have you played this last week?
>>77218250
Because their views are not limited by religion.
It's religion that says we must raise seriously ill babies.
>>77223327
>two cells which have combined is suddenly considered life + murder?
we're talking about drawing lines, and that's the only scientific one that doesn't change under normal circumstances.
they used to talk about viability outside the womb, but with modern equipment that changes frequently; eventually it will be at fertilization, so we're back to that.
>>77218649
The resurgence of abortion in America is solely due to people from the progressive era who wanted to get eugenics programs(specifically targeted at blacks) in place and used the guise of "women's rights" to do it.
>>77223505
alone they dont have the potential to generate a full human, as any other single alone cells dont have.
>>77223281
>a fertilized egg will immediately start dividing, which is what life is.
Cancer cells will immediately start dividing, which is what life is, too.
New right slogan? CANCER IS LIFE!
>>77223505
>The egg and sperm were human before they met, correct?
they were not capable of becoming a human before fertilization. otherwise your ballsack would have a billion people in it.
>>77223652
now you are being more than stupid. cancer cells will never develop into humans.
how is this simple point so hard to grasp?
>>77223652
the egg has a finalized grow, that is to generate a human
cancer doesnt, it just keeps growing if there are nutrients, wheter the host dies or not
>>77220976
>That would deprive women of their natural right to decide for themselves if they want to be mothers.
That's called not having sex or using birth control.
>>77223327
>two cells which have combined is suddenly considered life + murder?
yes, exactly. Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's objectively the earliest stage of human development.
>bragging about your salary on the internet
the internet tough guy routine is embarrassing, spare us all
>>77223601
>we're talking about drawing lines, and that's the only scientific one that doesn't change under normal circumstances.
What about the miracle of childbirth?
For ten thousand years, in a hundred thousand cultures and communities, the beginning of new life has always been childbirth. Our science, language, religion, law and culture all agree on this one issue.
Only in the last 150 years have the feeble-minded been trying to re-write history with emotional pleas and unfounded religious declarations.
>>77223131
Jesus Christ,I knew the American education is shit tier,but looks like I have underestimated it again.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_embryogenesis
How about you finish elementary school before shitposting here?
>>77223327
>so killing a cell is not murder, but killing two cells which have combined is suddenly considered life + murder?
I honestly cannot comprehend how are you having a hard time understanding this. When male and female reproductive cells merge they form a zygote which is,and this is a scientific fact, the first stage of human being. Genetic recombination ( transcription of RNA etc. ) begins there, your traits are determined,in a big measure, while you are still an unrecognizable amorfous agglomeration of cells.
> when can you begin to realize how erroneous your logic is?
How about you point out the error in my rationalization? You,on the other hand, have displayed a level of ignorance that assures me that you are a Americoon weaboo that came to Korea to fulfill his fantasies.
>i make 3x the salary of you and your inbred christian parents combined
Highly doubt that.
>>77223774
And what if she does use birth control?
Condom + pill for good measure. But they both fail. Then what?
They obviously used birth control because they didn't want kids. So are you just gonna tell them "tough luck. Deal with it"?(Where dealing with it means being stuck with kids for the next 18 or so years)
>>77223665
>capable of becoming a human
Becoming a human when it is born. Thank you for proving my point.
>>77218250
RIP Pepe ;_;
>>77223601
the correct answer is that it's not possible to draw exact lines
saying that an egg is automatically a human as soon as it is fertilized is fucking stupid, and considering it murder is even dumber
i mean, the pro-life/pro-choice argument shouldn't really involve politics but it occurs to me that nearly every pro-life person i've spoken to doesn't give a fuck about humans in general; they don't care about the social welfare of the people in their country that they don't know; and certainly not the people in other countries
so what's with this absurd fascination with fertilized eggs?
>>77224024
>the beginning of new life has always been childbirth.
are you arguing that abortion should be allowed up until the minute that a baby is born? I personally don't have a problem with that, just clarifying.
also, it's pretty much known that if a child is born with terrible complications, the doctor will suggest to the parents that they let it die naturally, even if means are available to keep it alive.
>>77220976
>A woman's right to decide if she wants to be a mother.
They make that decision when they spread their legs and let a guy dump semen in them. When the fetus has a heartbeat, is kicking, and dreaming that decision has already been made.
>>77224046
>Jesus Christ,I knew the American education is shit tier,but looks like I have underestimated it again.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_embryogenesis
Is Wikipedia the "scientific paper" we were waiting for as proof? Would you kindly direct us to where Wiki says "life begins at fertilization"?
Thanks, champ!
>>77224234
>nearly every pro-life person i've spoken to doesn't give a fuck about humans in general;
sweeping statements like that simply demonstrate that you are blinded by your ideology and are not capable of clear thought.
>>77224046
>When male and female reproductive cells merge they form a zygote which is,and this is a scientific fact, the first stage of human being.
But not a "human being"
Thanks for playing! Next!
>>77224370
>"life begins at fertilization"?
can you at least admit that there is a fundamental change when an egg is fertilized, and that fundamental change is at least equal to the other major point, which is birth?
>>77224046
>How about you point out the error in my rationalization?
Rationalizations are by definition logical fallacies.
Ooops.
I wish Moot would have been aborted so I didn't have to read this leftist drivel.
when you use the words "murder" and "person" you're falling into the pro-abortion trap
stick to scientific words, like "kill" and "human," since it is 100% undeniable that abortion kills an innocent human
because the words "murder" and "person" are defined by courts stating that "Abortion is murder" is factually incorrect. A fetus isn't a person. But a corporation is! (in some countries)
>>77218250
If you don't have to see an abortion it sounds great
If you don't have to live in communism it sounds great
If you don't have to live with hoards of Muslim immigrants it sounds great
>>77224535
but then we'd all either be at reddit or stormfront, both of which allow no dissent.
>>77218250
Why is watching abominations right-wing fetish?
>>77218250
Man, fuck A. I. M.
>>77224024
>What about the miracle of childbirth?
A cabbagelike creature covered in blood and uteral liquid is hardly an aesthetically pleasing sight. On the other hand, my fedora wearing friend, the metaphor of initiation into the world by birth was used through history ( from De Rerurm Natura to the Christian ceremonies of initiation ).A new human entering a world after "an eternity of sleep" is a marvel to everyone not wearing fedoras. The fact that I can name a dozen philosophers/writers that used the "childbirth" metaphor off the top of my head is a testament to that.
>For ten thousand years, in a hundred thousand cultures and communities, the beginning of new life has always been childbirth. Our science, language, religion, law and culture all agree on this one issue.
Again,a falsehood. How about you point out to me some recent sources that consider childbirth the beginning of life? I double dare you. Bonus points if they are scientific papers.
>Only in the last 150 years have the feeble-minded been trying to re-write history with emotional pleas and unfounded religious declarations.
>mfw he actually thinks embryologists are lying about the zygotes/the origin/definition of the beginning of life out of religious principles
>mfw when he unironically is a fedora
>>77222590
but washing your hands kills cells who cares
what about animal agriculture with that logic anyway? are you a vegan?
>>77224024
for thousands of years we were largely ignorant of what happens inside the womb, even in the 1970s we didn't know much about early human development. In Roe v. Wade the Supreme Court acknowledged that the science had yet to really explore early human development.
the idea that life begins at child birth is ignorant, people accepted this view because for a long time no one knew any better.
Now the idea that life begins in the womb is the scientifically informed position.
>>77224046
so if forming a zygote is the first stage of creating a human being, is that zygote considered a human? of course not; nor is it considered murder to stop it from becoming a human
first stage of building a house is collecting wood; is the collected wood considered a house? and if you destroy the wood before the house was made, does that mean you destroyed a house?
also, wrong again, i'm from your shitty country and i know how much your parents make on avg
>>77224801
>f you destroy the wood before the house was made, does that mean you destroyed a house?
are you being obtuse on purpose? a pile of wood does not naturally develop into a house.
>>77224370
>>77224436
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Now how about you stop shitposting now you fucking imbred.
>>77224496
>he actually googled rationalization and he thought I was refering to the psychological phenomenon and not a synonym for construction of logical structures
>he is actually this autistic
Lad, Reddit is waiting for you. Go back.
>>77224801
a zygote contains unique DNA for a new person, biologically distinct from a mother and a father
if it was as you say, and a zygote is less than human, then it would not contain a complete blueprint for a new person. It would be simply the wood of the house, absent the nails, or the windows, or the roof. Instead it is everything.
>>77224801
collecting wood is more like a no fap week
>>77224801
>so if forming a zygote is the first stage of creating a human being, is that zygote considered a human? of course not
lol
it absolutely IS a human, scientifically. You can argue that some humans are less important, or make any other kind of argument that you want, but it's scientifically incorrect to say that a human zygote is not a human. Even the unicellular zygote is human.
Seems to me you are way past the science and entered philosophical area of "when does life exist and what can be considered alive sentient being".
I still didn't see any opinion on do you consider alive = sentient? And is murder only possible on sentient beings?
>>77224298
>heartbeat
It is muscle development, not the personified emotional illusion of mi corazon
>is kicking
9volt battery and frog legs, not proof
>and dreaming
Week 22 is the beginning of cerebral cognition.
>>77224913
no, it does not, it has to go through a series of processes which will ultimately allow the wood to become a house, similar to pregnancy; do you not see the analogy?
suppose that some work has been done to the wood; the house is not 100% completed but the wood was used to build something to resemble a room; the foundation and walls and door of the structure are already there
if somebody, at that point, came and destroyed your wood; even though the house is not done yet, -at that point- you may say that they destroyed a house
which is why no one likes late-term abortions
but you can't fucking say that someone destroyed a house when it was just a pile of wood
>>77224760
>but washing your hands kills cells who cares
The cells on my hands are not zygotes who will,unless interrupted, develop into full fledged human being. That is a big fucking difference.
>what about animal agriculture with that logic anyway? are you a vegan?
Please enlighten me bong,how does animal agriculture has a connection to my statements? I am not a vegan,but I am genuinely interested in your response.
>>77224801
>so if forming a zygote is the first stage of creating a human being, is that zygote considered a human? of course not; nor is it considered murder to stop it from becoming a human
The zygote is the first stage OF THE HUMAN BEING. How fucking hard is it to get it through your thick skull? Zygote develops,with time, into a bipedal animal that you consider "a human being". The fact that through
continuous metamorphosis you get a tiny dicked man like yourself does not negate that fact.
>first stage of building a house is collecting wood; is the collected wood considered a house? and if you destroy the wood before the house was made, does that mean you destroyed a house?
That would be correct if that wood would transform itself,naturally, to a house. Then you could say you destroyed a house that was in a more primitive form of wood. You are must be retarded if you actually did not see rebuttal coming.
>also, wrong again, i'm from your shitty country and i know how much your parents make on avg
How about you say something in Croatian then fag? And again, you do not know how much money my parents/or I earn. Why are you being such a colossal retard? Dont you have something better to do than shitpost here?
>>77224485
>can you at least admit that there is a fundamental change when an egg is fertilized,
Yes
>and that fundamental change is at least equal to the other major point, which is birth?
No
Birth is the success of all the developmental stages. It's the womb's finished product.
>>77225193
>it absolutely IS a human, scientifically
no, it's not
only politically in some redneck states of usa
not scientifically
>>77224578
>stick to scientific words, like "kill" and "human," since it is 100% undeniable that abortion kills an innocent human
"Kill" isn't scientific because the fetus isn't alive until it is born.
"Innocent" is an emotional plea,
"Human" like my arm or leg is vastly different from "human being".
You idiots can't tell the difference, can you?
>>77225490
>Dont you have something better to do than shitpost here?
you're right
zato jel me jebe u glavi da 90% ljudi iz moje rodne zemlje misle kao ti
>>77225579
no, it literally is. It's not even up for debate. This isn't my political opinion, it's scientific fact.
>>77224578
>"murder" and "person" you're falling into the pro-abortion trap
Says the guy who is mired in the anti-choice trap.
>>77225579
but it is human though, and any biology textbook would tell you so.
>>77225490
croatia, you will get a burnout if you try to reason anymore with that korean dumber than a brick, friendly suggestion
>>77225710
>fetus isn't alive until it is born.
that's not correct
>>77225732
>zato jel me jebe u glavi da 90% ljudi iz moje rodne zemlje misle kao ti
>jel me jebe u glavi
>jel
Polupismeni imbecilu,izazivam te opovrgneš bilo što napisano od moje strane. Hajde,da te vidim. Pretenciozna progresivna majmunčino. Pobjegao si u Koreju i soliš pamet mojim sunarodnjacima?
Now,because this ,at last, an English speaking board so I will repeat ,in English, my challenge to you. Disprove anything I said. Come on,it shouldnt be hard if the truth is on your side. I double dare you.
>>77225763
Whats the matter little guy? Why are you not refuting my posts? Did I hurt your feelings by correctly outing you as a fedora from Reddit? Where are those scientific papers and proofs about your claims? I am patiently waiting.
>>77224716
>A cabbagelike creature covered in blood and uteral liquid is hardly an aesthetically pleasing sight. On the other hand, my fedora wearing friend, the metaphor of initiation into the world by birth was used through history ( from De Rerurm Natura to the Christian ceremonies of initiation ).A new human entering a world after "an eternity of sleep" is a marvel to everyone not wearing fedoras. The fact that I can name a dozen philosophers/writers that used the "childbirth" metaphor off the top of my head is a testament to that.
>>For ten thousand years, in a hundred thousand cultures and communities, the beginning of new life has always been childbirth. Our science, language, religion, law and culture all agree on this one issue.
>Again,a falsehood. How about you point out to me some recent sources that consider childbirth the beginning of life? I double dare you. Bonus points if they are scientific papers.
No one needs to prove what we all know for a time-honored, well established fact. It is only in recent history that the rights-grabbers decided to move the goalposts from childbirth to fertilization.
>>77225739
no, it's not
if you find any research or paper claiming that a zygote is an actual human being; it is written by
1. a christian 'scientist'
2. a lobbied(bribed) 'scientist'
3. or the very unlikely and rare pro-choice scientist
>>77225490
>develop into full fledged human being.
Right, the egg "will become" a chicken
The zygote "will become" a human being.
Human, but not a human being until birth
Pro-lifers, what is your opinion on rape babies? Can they be considered an exception?
>>77221485
If you took abortion pills up to 2 months after inception I don't really think it's that bad.
At that point, the cells inside of you are hardly human, not sentient.
Once it starts developing discernible human features, and the only way to remove it is with tongs/vacuums, well, then I think I'd have a moral dilemma.
>>77225490
>That would be correct if that wood would transform itself,naturally, to a house.
Miscarriages happen naturally too. If we can't be certain that the outcome will result in a human being, then your argument is moot.
/thread
>>77226313
>No one needs to prove what we all know for a time-honored, well established fact. It is only in recent history that the rights-grabbers decided to move the goalposts from childbirth to fertilization.
I could openly call you out for being a retard,but I will,probably in vain, alter your views after I point out the error in your reasoning.
No one needs to prove what we all know for a time-honored,well established fact. It is only in recent history that the heretics decided to move the goalposts from an Aristotellian astronomy to a Copernican model.
I used the "astronomy/church" comparison to accentuate the fact that you,my fedora wearing friend are Simplicio from Gallileos Dialogo here. You,as your ancestoral example Simplicio did with the telescope, deny the empirical evidence brought to us by microscopes. Who is the hillbilly redneck here again?
>>77226450
It's ok that we disagree on some politics, this thread will 404 and that will be the end of that.
But if you're ever going to talk about abortion again you'll be doing yourself a favor if you get some basic education on the topic and the science of what's going on during a pregnancy.
I don't really know what else to tell you. It's actually not hard to stump me on the whole abortion thing, because I believe that the Morning After Pill (which also kills a human) should be legal and accessible, so that throws any sort of heavy-handed rhetoric I might use about killing innocent humans out the window, and the subject can once again be framed around the more nuanced arguments of weighing the needs of a living person against the rights of a zygote or fetus.
I only chimed in while you were arguing with some other guy because you were saying things that were scientifically inaccurate, and you still are. I'm not even trying to get you to change your political opinion, but when it comes to the science, you're plain wrong.
>>77226641
true miscarriage is natural, but also mean something went wrong somewhere (be it defective genetic, bad implant or whatever), otherwise the egg would develop just fine
>>77226590
morning after pill
How can anyone on here be pro-life?
I can understand having a personal aversion to getting it done, but to want it made impossible to do nationwide?
Do you know how many subhumans and unloved children that brings into the world? If it weren't for abortion there'd be 2x as many blacks in the United States.
I've posted this many times on /pol/ and no pro-lifer has ever responded. Pro-lifers, what do you think of the shiskin problem anti-abortion laws will create?
>>77218250
>fetus is a child
That's like saying a half baked muffin is a wedding cake.
>>77226255
>Why are you not refuting my posts?
Nothing to refute. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You made the original claim about all the "scientific papers" that proved life begins at fertilization, then you failed to provide even one.
>>77226829
>but I will,probably in vain, alter your views after I point out the error in your reasoning.
If you successfully point out any errors in my reasoning, I will thank you kindly for altering my view.
>>77227014
i agree that the zygote IS a human even when just one cell, but i also agree that abortion is a right that people should have. it's ugly and all, but that mostly depends on how people use that right, i dont see why negate it
>>77221865
Sorry, but you sound like a pussy
>>77218250
It is not leftist per se.
Because the big three religions have right wing ideologies
>>77227056
I don't support abortion but man, people like you are really making me change my mind.
>>77226477
You have serious reading comprehension issues. Time to take your daily dose of Ritalin.
>Right, the egg "will become" a chicken
>The zygote "will become" a human being.
What part of
"The zygote is the first stage OF THE HUMAN BEING. How fucking hard is it to get it through your thick skull? Zygote develops,with time, into a bipedal animal that you consider "a human being". The fact that through
continuous metamorphosis you get a tiny dicked man like yourself does not negate that fact." is unclear to you? The zygote is a primitive form of the human being. I would like you to refute that scientific fact. I am waiting.
>Human, but not a human being until birth
Not even people who professionally advocate abortion claim that. Again,post some sources/historiography/scientific papers etc. I am waiting.
>>77226641
>Miscarriages happen naturally too.
Yes,at last a truthful statement from you.
> If we can't be certain that the outcome will result in a human being, then your argument is moot.
And ya blew it. We can be certain of the outcome even if the miscarriage happens. You will have a dead human being instead of a live one. How does that renders my argument moot? I am seriously doubting the your chromosomes underwent their normal mutational cycles. Seems to me that you may be having a couple of extras.
>>77218649
Doctors, eh?
>>77227078
>posting Chris "the fedoras first intellectual" Hitchens
Holy fucking kek,I actually nailed you on being a fedora.
>I asserted something without evidence
>>77224938
I guess this post doesnt exist then? What is wrong with you? Why are you trying so hard to be retarded? Are you baiting?
Not to agree with a fucking leaf, but left vs. right is irrelevant when you're discussing abortion. The important metric is authority vs. liberty.
As a society based on liberty, banning abortion represents an unacceptable governmental intrusion into citizens' personal health decisions. Other people aren't clamoring to get to tell you what you can and can't do with your ugly corpse, the least you can do is extend the same courtesy to them. If you don't like it, feel free to move to a place where the government makes such decisions on your behalf, because your naive virtue signaling isn't compatible with what this "freedom" thing is all about.
I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But what about the fetus?" The fetus doesn't matter because it's a fucking fetus. It's just a growth on the inside of its mother's uterus until it moves out and gets a Goddamned job. If you really think about it, an umbilical cord is really just a nutritional welfare handout, isn't it?
>>77226883
no no, your politics are the same as pro-lifers
you might be ok with people doing it anyways, because of some libertarian shit-stained ideologies, but you literally believe a fertilized egg is scientifically a human being which is where the argument begins with every pro-lifer
but it's not; and the argument is impossible to move forward until you can prove from credible, non-biased sources that it is
and even if you were able to prove such a thing; that in the scientific community a zygote is considered a human (it's not), then the argument simply transitions into a philosophical one, something with no consciousness and no resemblance to humans to being considered human or not etc. etc.
>>77227014
so the bigotry of low expectations strikes again, unloved children never amount to anything, or they amount to only bad things thus a soft genocide is justified.
The world isn't so black and white (both literally and metaphorically).
Women, like Muslims, are victims of oppression so the left gives them a pass when it comes to murder.
>>77224938
>https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Princeton University has a group of students who are "pro-life" and have cobble together quotes regarding embryo *development* that they mistakenly infer as being scientific papers proving life begins at fertilization.
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/
>Now how about you stop shitposting now you fucking imbred.
Still waiting for all those "scientific papers", champ.
>>77218250
Because it put the power of life and death on women's hands.
It's just another trick to empower women.
>>77223087
Not at all...
>>77218250
It's a silent holocaust.
>>77227310
>The zygote is a primitive form of the human being
>primitive form
Thats the card they are playing on.
It was like that since beginning of mankind. The goal is to justify whatever is it that you are doing.
To make peace with their conscience and to sleep better at night.
>>77226313
>No one needs to prove what we all know for a time-honored, well established fact.
One of the achievements of the foes of civilisation in the West has been to cast doubt on this obvious truth.
Staggering amount of imbeciles in this thread, ekh... I despair!
>>77226025
what is there to disprove about what you said? your logic is fucking retarded and that's all there is to it
if you can admit that a fertilized egg is not an actual human being; and only the start of human life, then you cannot consider destroying a zygote to be murder
just like you can't consider destroying a pile of wood to be destroying a house
or how about another analogy for the simple-minded
let's say there's a man that plants seeds for trees. he's plants the seed in the middle of the plains, and if nobody touches the seed, it will become a tree in a couple of years
a couple days after he put the seed in the soil, i come to the same location and pull the seed out of the soil
does that mean i cut down a tree, or does that mean i pulled a seed out of the soil?
did i kill a tree, or did i pull a seed out of the ground?
>>77227915
>>77228034
Gettin ready for hordes of zika babies I see
>>77227803
>the fact that pro-life people made a legitimate site on princeton domain somehow renders moot various excerpts from peer-reviewed scientific papers. https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes.html
Here is another one which takes mainstream embryology textbooks and looks what they have to say.
You can download all of the books I listed here from bookzz. I double dare you to check within them what they have to say about this topic.
Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology.
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html
Here is another article from the same site. I double dare you to refute anything, I repeat anything, stated there.
>>77228034
that is highly overestimating and it's also dropping every year
>>77227640
>but you literally believe a fertilized egg is scientifically a human being
I would "believe" that no matter what political opinion I held, because it's scientifically accurate.
Serbia already posted a link to a collection of scientific sources
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
>>77224938
google the writer's name
look at the university
>christian univeristy of hicktown usa
stopped reading instantly
molim te, ubi se
sramis narod
>>77227310
>What part of "The zygote is the first stage OF THE HUMAN BEING.
It sounds a lot like "the egg is the first stage of THE OMELET"
> The zygote is a primitive form of the human being.
That made me spew coffee laughing. No, my friend, the a primitive form of the human being is the Australopithecus. Any child who passed 9th grade biology should know this.
>We can be certain of the outcome even if the miscarriage happens. You will have a dead human being instead of a live one.
No, we will only have human tissue that never developed into a living human being
ayyy
Because it erodes personal responsibility and promotes promiscuity.
You're all a bunch of godless degenerates, btw.
>>77228414
and i highly recommend for you to research the writer's of those papers and their intentions/motivations
you do realize pretty much every single writer of those articles is a christian, right? which automatically makes them invalid for any credibility/research/arguments regarding scientific definitions
literally all you fucking did was google "is a zygote a human being" and looked over the first 4 links
it's funny cause i did the same thing
except i'm not retarded enough to just acknowledge it as fact without digging slightly deeper
a zygote is NOT 100% considered an actual human being, scientifically
>>77224776
>Now the idea that life begins in the womb is the scientifically informed position.
Life is viable once all the organs are developed and functioning which means quite literally it can be "born" and live on its own.
People really believe in the magic properties of touching air once you leave the womb... In current year, of all years! Gods elp us....
>>77228873
well it IS the year of our Lord after all
>>77227014
>unloved children
>Who is Steve Jobs
Opinion discarded.
>>77220541
>self determination
Kills other human being
>>77228836
i also thought that, but kid wont be able to survive alone for a big amount of time...so the autonomous functioning of the being isnt really a point
>>77218250
>2 posts by this ID
fuck off
>>77228384
>I double dare you to check within them what they have to say about this topic.
Why can't you tell us what they have to say? They're your sources. Please show us the exact quote that says "life beings at fertilization". That's all you have to do.
>>77228275
>what is there to disprove about what you said? your logic is fucking retarded and that's all there is to it
You sure showed me with that concise and lucid argument. How about you point out to me the fallacious logic I used?
>if you can admit that a fertilized egg is not an actual human being; and only the start of human life, then you cannot consider destroying a zygote to be murder
But the zygote is a primitive stage of development of the human being. How fucking retarded do you have to be claiming otherwise? IT IS A HUMAN BEING IN A EARLY DEVELOPMENTAL PHASE. Can you read what I have just written in caps? Can you?
>just like you can't consider destroying a pile of wood to be destroying a house
I already explained in my post why that "analogy" was wrong. You failed to answer to my rebuttal. You still,to this minute, have not answered to my rebuttal. Fag.
>or how about another analogy for the simple-minded
This is going to be good
>my fucking face while reading the rest of your post.
Where to begin? Step by step I will prove to the audience reading our little exchange that you actually may be the biggest retard ever to post on 4chan (a close runner up is Chris-chan).
>a couple days after he put the seed in the soil, i come to the same location and pull the seed out of the soil
>does that mean i cut down a tree, or does that mean i pulled a seed out of the soil?
It means that you pulled out a seed out of the soil although after a few day it would have already sprouted and began developing so a seed is a stretch. It also means you pulled out a tree in its developmental phase of a sprouted seed. Why it is so fucking hard to understand this? Do you have brain damage?
>did i kill a tree, or did i pull a seed out of the ground?
You pulled the seed out of the ground effectively "killing" the tree in its developmental phase of sprouted seed. Its crystal clear. Why are you having such a hard time with this?
>>77229124
this
>>77224112
Actually is scientifically a living human at the moment it is fertilized.
>>77228739
Ok, well, if an entire page of scientific sources can be dismissed because "they're probably christians" then I'm not really sure where else to go with this.
How about this, find me a scientific source that agrees with what you're saying.
Because so far all you've done in this thread is argue that all the scientists are wrong because they are probably christians.
>>77220666
What constitutes alive on its own? I'd doubt a child could be alive "on its own" till it's probably 5 or 6. Based on your logic should we also extend abortions to small children?
>>77228770
holy fuck
meme's have gotten so advanced that the people with the religious, unscientific, primitive, and bat-shit crazy beliefs are flipping it around and calling scientists unscientific and uneducated
holy fuck 2016 what a year to be alive
meme technology out the roof
>>77219677
Mfw there actually exist based canadian posters.
>>77218250
Because they're the voices of reason. They know that matters of one's own body trumps the non-existent rights of some clump cells of cells that isn't capable of self-awareness. Kys rightie memesters.
>>77228946
Gospodi pomilui!
>>77218250
Because it's about freeing women from the responsibilities and consequences of their actions.
>>77229204
>Why are you having such a hard time with this?
because i didn't kill a tree, i killed the -potential- for a tree to grow
but i didn't kill the tree by pulling the seed out of the soil
if i stop a fertilized egg from further developing, i didn't kill a human
i stopped the potential for a human to develop
what don't you get? holy fucking fuck
>>77229500
>clump cells of cells that isn't capable of self-awareness
That's basically 90% of all woman
>>77229546
last time i checked, kids were done by both a female and a male you nigger
>>77229682
And only one of them is legally held responsible for it. Try and keep up, halfbreed.
>>77228476
>>77229199
Not happy with my sources and you are not going to invest 5 minutes in actually checking the references and reading what they have to say. Have no fear my two braindamaged friends, I have some more sources for you.
http://naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception/
I invite you to disprove any of this.
>"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981
I guess he is just a religious nut. Right?
>"The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that human life begins at conception - fertilization…. Scientific and medical discoveries over the past three decades have only verified and solidified this age-old truth. At the completion of the process of fertilization, the human creature emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is not one of personhood but of development. The Mission of the American College of Pediatricians is to enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being from the moment of conception."
When Human Life Begins, American College of Pediatricians, March 2004"
Also a bunch of fucking retards right?
Now how about YOU post a single, I repeat a single shred of evidence that a zygote is not a primitive form of a developing human being. Wikipedia says you are wrong fags,but I dare you to look further. Come on.
>>77229589
if potential was sure to become human being is it still some kind of murder?
>>77228414
>Serbia already posted a link to a collection of scientific sources
>https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
If you look at this student special interest group site, you'll realize the quotes all have to do with embryo development (zygote becoming a human being) not actualization (zygote is a human being) No "scientific studies".
>>77228414
>>77229949
I disagree.
Croatia posted that , not Serbia ;DD
>>77229264
>Because so far all you've done in this thread is argue that all the scientists are wrong because they are probably christians.
no, but what i did do was tell you the link you gave me was written by christians
>>77230075
What's the difference?
Both countries are shit.
>>77230075
oops
>>77229220
>Actually is scientifically a living human at the moment it is fertilized.
Living human tissue. Not a human being who is capable of sustaining its own life
it's an abdication of personal responsibility and helps create a dependence upon the state
>>77229294
>Based on your logic should we also extend abortions to small children?
That would be an illogical extention
The fetus is not alive so it can't be "killed"
The child is alive and should not be killed.
>>77230207
I can't take that from a non-country jewish sanctuary land. Sorry senpai.
>>77229035
Hue is right on this one
>>77230357
>not alive
What are your standards of being alive?
>>77229929
1. the potential was not 100%
2. even if it was, no it's not murder
just like pulling a seed from the ground is not the same as cutting down a tree
>>77229924
>Dr Jerome LeJeune
google dr. jerome LeJeune
find this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Lejeune
oh, Christian, friends with the pope
nice sources for your zygote definitions bro
>>77218250
Why is adding children to the world a right wing problem?
>>77230221
>Not a human being who is capable of sustaining its own life
Its a living human being you liking it or not, also humans are clearly composed of living human tissue and there's a large number of adults that are also unable to sustain their own lives which does not makes them less human.
>>77230170
The link is a collection of sources compiled by a pro-lifer
Because when you google "when does human life begin" you don't get pro-abortion sources, because the science doesn't say things that they want it to. If you really want to learn this stuff, instead of asking me to google things for you, you could pick up a biology text book. Or just follow the links compiled by the pro-lifer to any one of the many scientific sources.
I often see the the words "ad hominem" used incorrectly on /pol/. One poster will call another poster a big mean poopy head and then they will come back with "that's an ad hominem argument!" Well, that's wrong. There's a difference between an insult and an ad hominem. An ad hominem is when an argument gets rejected because of who made it. What you're doing right now, saying all these scientific sources are wrong because they are linked from a pro-lifer, is ad hominem.
>>77218250
Anything they can do to destroy white people faster, they will.
>>77229924
>http://naapc.org/why-life-begins-at-conception/
>I invite you to disprove any of this.
His opinion. You must have forgotten you were sent to find "scientific papers" that prove conclusively that "life beings at conception".
I have an opinion too. Would you like to hear it?
>>77228541
>It sounds a lot like "the egg is the first stage of THE OMELET"
I honestly dont know why I am responding anymore. The egg is not a first stage of making the omelet. The first stage is cracking the fucking egg ( a dead chicken stuck in develpemental phase ). Why are you so retarded?
>That made me spew coffee laughing. No, my friend, the a primitive form of the human being is the Australopithecus. Any child who passed 9th grade biology should know this.
Now,without a doubt I know that you are baiting. Nobody is that retarded that he is unable to spot a metaphor simpler than an average American. Or did I underestimate the state of your mental retardation?
>No, we will only have human tissue that never developed into a living human being
No, you have a dead human being who was stuck in his "tissue" developmental phase.
Again,I ask you to disprove that a zygote actually doesnt mark the beginning of human development.
>>77229589
>because i didn't kill a tree, i killed the -potential- for a tree to grow
That would would be like saying that by killing a baby you only killed the potential for a human to develop. Oh wait,you are actually saying that.
>but i didn't kill the tree by pulling the seed out of the soil
But, you actually did. You did not kill the fully developed sequoia,but her humble beginning. You still "killed" a sequoia,the fact that it is not 5 stories tall does not alter that fact.
>if i stop a fertilized egg from further developing, i didn't kill a human
>i stopped the potential for a human to develop
You killed a human in his developmental phase. YOU KILLED A HUMAN. By killing the human you stopped the potential of the aforementioned human to grow to a bipedal animal that you, a colossal retard, only barely resemble.
>what don't you get? holy fucking fuck
You literally rehashed your previous post while failing to answer at any of my rebuttals.You are the retard here.
Ubij se doslovni degeneriče.
Why is /pol/ so universally against abortion since it is one of the only measures keeping minority population in check in America? Unless, perhaps, /pol/ is just contrarian counter-culture like the rest of 4chan?
>>77230673
Being pro lifer or not is meaningless if arguments stands by its own, attacking the source while not addressing the argument is clear ad hominem.
>>77230533
>What are your standards of being alive?
For human beings, I would start with being developed, at least 22 weeks gestation, and being born somehow. A very natural standard that even the Bible seems to agree with.
>>77230461
Croatia: shit-tier country
You've been sucking EU dick for years and they still won't let you join their shit club. Germany prefers refugee scum over you.
>>77230876
Because I don't support the killings of innocent people even if they are colored or whatever.
>>77230673
i'm not saying they're wrong because they're linked by a pro-"lifer", i'm saying they're incredible because they are written by christians
why are we even talking about this, i already explained the exact 3 types of people that would write pro-life papers
1. christian scientists
2. bribed scientists
3. small percentage of non-bias scientists (like 0.5%)
yes, if you look hard enough, you may be lucky to find a non-religious and non-bribed scientist to write a pro-life paper
but it doesn't stop the vast majority of doctors and PhDs from being pro-choice
and if you tell me to cite that i'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself because i'm done googling shit, and if you don't believe that the vast majority of hospital staff and surgeons are not pro-choice i refuse to talk further with you
yes, you can go ahead and link that one stupid ass fuck that used to be a doctor carrying out abortions and then suddenly had some kind of epiphany and became a christian over-night
it doesn't change my point
Abortion is probably the most disgraceful issue in the world right now.
Has anyone else wanted to destroy the abortionists and give them all capital punishment.
It is a human life!
And all the Eastern European fucks who are saying only religious conservatives oppose it, GTFO- fucking wog scum.
People, especial Jugos, we're arguing with 12 year olds here. Waste of time. Only those who have actually had a pregnant wife and felt their living child move inside her have any authority here. There's no need for doctors' opinions. This is a matter for sensible mature adults, that's all. Unfortunately, these are a rare commodity!
>>77230876
I am pro abortion but I am also able to recognize that current leftist argument for abortion does not stands for itself.
>>77231187
>defends life
>wanna kill those against it
nice logic f.am
>>77230673
>What you're doing right now, saying all these scientific sources are wrong because they are linked from a pro-lifer, is ad hominem.
I think it's more appropriate to say anti-choicers have opinions, but those opinions are not facts nor scientific.
>>77218250
It not about the person they are killing. Which is what abortion is. Murder.
Its about women, their victim status, and their rights.
Every woman who gets an abortion...especially a late term abortion...should be forced to hold their child and look at it afterwards.
Not calling it murder and making it about female reproductive rights is about 1 thing and 1 thing only. Distracting people from the truth of what is actually happening. Murder.
>>77231177
>opinion of a shitskin huefaggot
My post is for whites, Peckerdinho.
>>77230557
>he is being retarded again
>nice sources for zygote definitions bro
>>77230797
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)
I dare you to point out to me that ,at the strictest possible sense of the word, the "life" of the human does not begin with the zygote. "in multicellular organisms, the zygote is the earliest developmental stage" Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote
It is the earliest developmental stage OF the human being. What part of that is confusing you?
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html How about you glance over the Myth/Fact section and stop with your incessant shitposting here.
>>77231125
Why at 22 weeks gestation is a fetus animated
>>77231138
Mr Ambulance can you please read atlas or something?
>>77218250
What I want to know is
Why is anti-abortion considered an exclusively Christian position?
Are Christians the only ones who oppose baby murder?
>>77230838
no, i didn't kill a human
i killed the potential for a human to develop
it's not the same, or even close
the argument can go back and forth in thit way until you learn english, so no real reason to continue the argument
i'm gonna keep enjoying making more money than your entire family, good luck
i ni sluceno da ne ides u crkvu ovu nedelju, da te isus ne jebe u supak
>>77231462
>Every woman who gets an abortion...especially a late term abortion...should be forced to hold their child and look at it afterwards.
This. The picture in the OP is just pure evil. Those two babies are nearly fully formed. If they were twins, they "knew" and interacted with each other in the womb. A mainstream that upholds such actions is evil. And I don't need any Semitic theology to tell me that, either.
>>77231125
Catholic priests say that life begins in the conception, they seem right, but if the human life forms during the period of gestation it will be probably impossible to determine it and whoever practices abortion has like 50% or more chance of killing a human bean.
>>77231860
>Are Christians the only ones who oppose baby murder?
Absolutely not, though non-Christian Westerners are too often drawn into anti-Christian currents, it is true.
>>77220976
wtf are you talking about? your fucking post doesnt even make sense.
When you get an abortion. You are taking a person who would otherwise have been born/lived and you are ending it by killing them.
>not murder
>wew slut
>>77231369
Life beginning at conception is basic scientific fact
>>77231184
I don't really care if most hospital staff are pro-choice, because that's never what we were talking about.
I don't know how you could be tired of googling things, because you haven't provided a single link in this thread to support anything you are saying.
You just keep arguing against basic established science and claiming that entire pages of scientific sources are wrong because they're probably christians.
Again, there are lots of reason to be pro-abortion, you can pick any one of them and that is totally fine with me. We can agree to disagree, and, in fact, we would even have some common ground on some of it. But that has never been what we're talking about in this thread. A human zygote is a human. There is no way around it.
>>77231788
Yes Josip, meanwhile you should try to fix your shit-tier infrastructure.
How does it feel to live in a country where having a house facade is a status symbol?
>>77218250
alt right anon here. speaking for myself alone, I don't mind niglet abortion one bit, nor low IQ aborting. It's either that or more $$$$ spending and national debt or more jail cells at some ratio calculable by economists. Aborting is not good for whites who are married. It is good for single nigger sows in poverty with low IQ.
>>77231369
Everybody has opinions. Whether you're pro-abortion, anti-abortion, that doesn't matter. But when you talk about the science you should get it right.
>>77231890
>no, i didn't kill a human
>i killed the potential for a human to develop
>it's not the same, or even close
>the argument can go back and forth in thit way until you learn english, so no real reason to continue the argument
>i'm gonna keep enjoying making more money than your entire family, good luck
No, you killed a human being. I explained why you were wrong yet again you failed to respond to any of my statements and you proceeded to shitpost anyways claiming victory. And the funniest fucking thing is that you are actually accusing me of being inept in using the English language while you are not even able to construct a single coherent sentence. And no, you will not make more money than my familiy fag,I know that for a fact.
>i ni sluceno da ne ides u crkvu ovu nedelju, da te isus ne jebe u supak
Imbecilu,ja sam agnostik. Možeš ti tvrditi da si pobijedio i paradirati koliko hoćeš,ali si svjestan da si dobio po svojoj maloj pičkici. Osramotio si se,pokazao si da si glup,neotesan,vulgaran i ,na kraju krajeva, imbecilni izrod Hrvatskog naroda. Slobodno ostani u Koreji ,takvi nam ovdje ne trebaju.
>isus ne jebe u supak
Ma kurac si ti u Koreji,ti si klinjo koji si je kupio proxy. Ubij se majmune,svijet neće ništa izgubiti tvojom smrću.
>>77231860
I am not a Christian yet I am against abortion. Look up my posts in this thread and you will realize that you are too.
>>77228275
>did i kill a tree, or did i pull a seed out of the ground?
since the seed would inevitably become a tree and the purpose of planting the seed was to grow a tree you did both.
>>77230838
>a dead chicken stuck in develpemental phase
Sounds like a fetus - not alive and in the developmental stage.
>No, you have a dead human being who was stuck in his "tissue" developmental phase.
It will be dead human tissue, but it won't be a "being"
>Again,I ask you to disprove that a zygote actually doesnt mark the beginning of human development.
We agree it does. A zygote is not a human being, however.
>That would would be like saying that by killing a baby you only killed the potential for a human to develop.
It's illegal to kill babies. Abortions are not illegal. There's a clear legal difference here,
>>77231890
>implying that it's difficult to earn more than a pack of filthy slumslavs
>>77231349
>I am pro abortion but I am also able to recognize that current leftist argument for abortion does not stands for itself.
What is the "current leftist argument for abortion"?
>>77231463
I'm probably whiter than you. Yet it doesn't mean a shit.
>>77231462
>Every woman who gets an abortion...especially a late term abortion...should be forced to hold their child and look at it afterwards.
We should do that for cancer patients, too? It's all about punishing and torturing women for you.
>>77232174
there is simply no scientific consensus as to when human life begins
you can find hundreds of thousands of papers, all suggesting different exact timings of the start of human life
nearly all of the ones suggesting that a human is considered a human at the fertilized-egg/zygote are written by christians, that's all i'm trying to tell you
and if you don't want to see that, that's your choice; you're free to continue believing that a fucking fertilized egg is a human being, just like a seed is a tree and a pile of wood is a house and pieces of scrap metal are a sword
>>77228476
>Princeton is an unreliable source
Holy fuck you know nothing.
>>77231963
>Catholic priests say that life begins in the conception, they seem right
God says life is breath. Are you calling God a liar?
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?word=breath&page=2&bsec=
>>77232742
>Sounds like a fetus - not alive and in the developmental stage.
And fetus is somehow not a chicken stuck in its developmental stage? Are you dense?
>It will be dead human tissue, but it won't be a "being"
It will be a human being stuck in its "tissue-like" developmental phase. This is a scientific fact. Why are you having such a hard fucking time coping with this?
>We agree it does. A zygote is not a human being, however.
A zygote is a human being in its most basic form. That is literally what the fucking Wikipedia says. Again,are you retarded?
>It's illegal to kill babies. Abortions are not illegal. There's a clear legal difference here,
>he is still unable to understand metaphors
I hope that you are in fact baiting this whole time and you are not this big of a retard. I honestly hope for that. You realize that I could say fetus 23 weeks old? Fucking hell man. Fucking hell.
>>77231890
>i ni sluceno da ne ides u crkvu ovu nedelju, da te isus ne jebe u supak
hahah what are we dealing with here?
jel ovo realno sta se radi u ovom tredu
