Red Pill Me. Why shouldn't we ban assault riffles in America? Why shouldn't we have more background checks before purchasing a gun?
>>77182385
Because we're done compromising with those who would seek to disarm us.
>>77182385
>Why shouldn't we ban assault rifles
Shall not be infringed.
>Why shouldn't we have more background checks?
Who decides what is a qualified background?
>>77182385
How about we ban and deport muslims, instead of shredding our constitution even more.
>>77182385
Because it would have prevented NO MASS SHOOTINGS.
I'm fine for rules being changed, just pick ones that will actually affect things.
>>77182385
AR-15s are not assault rifles and per the FBI if you combine all types of rifles, they account for less than 3% of gun crimes.
>>77182819
The orlando guy used a legally purchased gun senpai. And so did Adam Lanza but well we all know sandy hook was a false flag.
>>77182385
because it's expensive do nothing bullshit that doesn't improve anything
what you need is high school rifle training classes
wouldn't it reduce overall casualties per shooting if we banned assault rifles though?
SHALL
>>77182385
if most gun crimes are committed with handguns why do they want to take your rifle? is it because it is effective at range?
>>77182385
Liberals want to solve overpopulation.
So why not with guns OP?
>>77182385
omg like do you realize its 2016 and we cant tolerate background shaming like that anymore you fucking bigot shitlord
>>77183010
between 1994 and 2004 assualt type rifles were banned in the US. It had little to no effect on gun related homicide rates.
>>77182385
Writing words on paper doesn't prevent murderers from finding ways to kill people.
>>77183010
>wouldn't it reduce overall casualties per shooting if we banned assault rifles though?
no, it would just increase the number of mass shootings
the only thing that would decrease them is elimination of government
>>77183010
Nope.
>>77183035
BE INFRINGED
>>77182385
implying i cant get a shortened assault rifle with a pistol grip classified as a handgun while owning a 3d printer capable of creating my own parts and having a way to cast bullets or cast whatever
fucking normies i swear
>>77182385
Lurk more.
>>77182944
This, if we were to ban anything based on its danger, we would want
Illegally obtained
Cheap
Concealable
9mm
Pistols
With original magazines.
That is what almost every criminal uses because you can't hide a Dragunov in your pocket or glove compartment.
>>77183152
GO AWAY MUHAMMAD
>>77183062
because they don't want you to be able to hunt food when they cut off the food supply, or have hardware similar to the military
Because if you give an inch, they take a mile.
Don't be fucking faggots.
>>77182385
>assault rifle
...is a meaningless term. How are you going to ban something if you don't even have any idea what you're banning.
Thanks for the input everyone.
>>77182385
Red pill yourself. Why should we?
>>77183266
Exactly.
>>77182385
>>77183089
Who doesn't want to solve overpopulation?
>>77182967
That's exactly what I said, baka.
No reason to add more rules that won't change ANYTHING.
It didn't help Paris, and it won't help us.
>>77182967
>orlando guy used a legally purchased gun
No he didn't. He illegally acquired them.
Also the radicals that shot up the "no-guns-allowed" vet club also illegally acquired their guns.
>adam lanza legally acquired his guns
also false. He used his mother's guns
Criminal intent doesn't stop at the law
>>77182385
Why shouldn't we ban Muslims in America?
Why shouldn't we have more background checks before accepting an immigrant?
>fixed
Jesus, Correct the Record is in full force today.
>>77183394
>He was under 2 investigations by the FBI
I think that may have helped
>>77183395
No he didn't. He illegally acquired them.
Source? from what I know he went right into a store and bought em.
also false. He used his mother's guns
sorry yeah I was just saying that they were legally purchased I know they weren't his.
Here, have a red pill, on the house
>>77183394
He's wrong, and you're an idiot.
Regulating the MANUFACTURE AND SALE of weapons is needed.
Regulated the OWNERSHIP of isn't.
You can't stop someone from making their own weapons in secret. That's implausible.
However, you can stop people from selling weaponry.
Liberals want guns taken away / no rules. Not regulation.
Conservatives want manufacturing and sale regulated.
Rednecks are not conservatives. They're as liberal as any dumbfuck SJW.
>>77183395
Anon, I could find another twenty references that the Orlando shooter legally purchased his guns.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/omar-mateen-probed-terror-ties-legally-purchased-weapons-n590836
Just let me know if you can't figure out how to use Google.
>>77182385
>Why shouldn't we ban assault riffles in America?
It's the AWB that's been around for some time now.
We already have. That's a simple polymer civilian variant of a military rifle. It's not an assault rifle, it's a rifle.
>>77183589
m8, you also posted about "assault rifles." The media you use doesn't know enough about guns to properly inform you.
>>77183498
>all other boards have trolls & shitposters
>but /pol/ doesn't, /pol/ only has shills, PAYED SHILLS
>>77182385
>>77183677
>Regulating the MANUFACTURE AND SALE of weapons is needed.
what do you plan to regulate? civilians already can't buy full auto and burst fire weapons.
As >>77182967 aptly demonstrates, the gun used wasn't a scary "military style assault rifle". It was just one variety of semiauto rifle among hundreds of other semiauto rifles
it was all legally obtained and was using very common ammunition
If by "assault rifles" you meant magazine fed semi-automatic rifles....then we could have a proper discussion. Until then I'm not going to dignify your ignorance with an argument.
>>77182385
Because it accomplishes nothing.
If you want to stop crime you ban niggers.
If you want to stop terrorism you ban mudslimes.
>>77183395
>No he didn't. He illegally acquired them.
Kek, the whole point is he bought them legally because he was in a security company and had all the legal papers.
He could have acquired this guns even when joe six pack where banned from buying guns.
Thats why the whole "we need to ban guns for civilians" would have meant jackshit for this scenario.
>>77182385
>Ban assault rifles
Done and done. Automatic weapons are banned from civilian ownership unless you have special permission from the ATF.
>>77184052
>can't buy full auto and burst fire weapons
Up until very recently I haven't really cared about owning a gun, despite some training(naturalized immigrant here)
I wonder how difficult would it be to manufacture a full auto triggergroup using a home cnc mill.
>>77183589
Apparently that was redacted that Orlando Mass Killer purchased them illegally.
However, there is no concrete information on how he was able to purchase them short of "he was allowed to purchase them."
No indication if the dealership falsified the background check, but no indication it was properly waved.
His background information was flagged. If the dealership did a proper background check they would've seen the flag.
Flag or not, the dealer still sold him weapons.
shell nut bee in fringe.
>>77184346
those faggots?
fuck them, good luck with your unconstitutional bullshit, I think whats happening here is top oligarchs are scared of Trump so this is their last ditch effort to seize control of the nation before Trump comes in and blows their federal reserve crime syndicate out of the water
the appropriate response to this is to laugh and stand at attention locked and loaded.
>>77183686
you also didn't find any information why he was able to legally purchase them
The original statement was redacted after "someone official" claimed they were purchased legally.
>>77184224
>private security firm
>legal papers
i'll hold my breath. His background check was flagged and he's known to have bipolar tendencies by his family, so obviously his medical exam was falsified.
>>77183249
but this move is always BS that attempts to get people to act rashly without thinking, same bullshit they pulled on the jonestown people, that was basically early research for this nonsense
just do what they say, buy more guns and bury some in the woods, hide weapons and ammo everywhere until your fucking left scrotum hair has it's own weapon I guess
>>77182385
Cause SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. GTFO if you don't like it cuck.
>>77185022
>His background check was flagged
None of the FBI flags would have shown up during a background check because those investigations were closed. He was never charged with anything. I will remind you that felons are already barred from buying guns, and that you can't buy guns if you are a fugitive or have a restraining order out on you. You also can't buy guns if you've ever been found mentally unfit by a court of law or some kind of medical authority - his family "knowing that he has bipolar tendencies" isn't legally sufficient to bar him from purchasing a weapon
>>77183876
>payed
kys baka
>>77183589
Using his family member's weapons without being permitted by them is as good as stealing them, which is SURPRISE SURPRISE illegal
>>77182385
Repeal all gun control. None of it works. If you want to decrease crime, stop importing criminals from other countries (muslims and hispanics), and start policing niggers.
>>77182385
Explain to me what exactly and "assault rifle" is.
You can't. I win. Bye you fucking braindead liberal.
>>77185385
>can't own chemical weapons
>can't own bombs
>can't own military vehicles
Seems pretty infringed to me.
>>77182385
>ar15
>assault rifle
Pick one, then go back to r/nogunscauseimanautist
>>77185494
Incorrect.
Also
>>But the agency has not released details on where Mateen obtained the guns.
So there's still no proof Mateen legally purchased the guns.
This is THE SAME THING that happened with the radicals that shot up the no-guns veteran center.
They claimed they purchased them legally, then a week later, they found out the guy lied.
It's too early to say anything. However, it's not too early to say his background check was falsified, namely medical exam.
>>77185553
I'm not sure where you're getting that info from. It's well known that he purchased the weapons himself. He was also a licensed security guard and had obtained firearms endorsements so that he could have a gun on him while working
http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooter-bought-weapons-nearby-gun-shop/story?id=39817471
>>77185606
1. Wrong. You can buy ammonia and bleach.
2. Wrong. You can mail order tannerite. http://www.tannerite.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
3. Wrong. You can buy tanks on the surplus market. http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-34-35
You can even buy cannons: http://steencannons.com/cannons/u-s-3-inch-ordnance-rifle/
>>77185803
>Incorrect.
If you believe that, then you have a very idiosyncratic interpretation of the law.
>So there's still no proof Mateen legally purchased the guns.
There is proof everywhere. If you don't want to believe it that's on you.
>>77183279
You got it,chief.
>>77182967
that black gun is super scary looking
BAN SUPER SCARY LOOKING GUNS RIGHT NOW
>>77182721
no .. no that wont do
>>77182385
>>77182385
>>77186357
>>77185849
Oh I see, I wasn't following the conversation properly. You were referring to Lanza
>>77186356
whats the source for this?
I believe it I'd just like to have it on hand
>>77185889
All of a sudden I want to buy a tank AND A CANNON!
EUROPOORS BTFO
USA USA USA USA USA
my theory is that he bought the gun legally on purpose to make America ban guns, thus making it easier for terrorists to shoot defenseless victims.
Also think his wife supported him and is lying to make it look like mental illness proving that guns are too easy to get.
Background checks without private sale loopholes are equivalent to gun registration which will inevitably lead to a grab. Background checks with loopholes don't stop anyone. (Even gun bans wouldn't stop determined criminals)
The impossibility of forcing compliance with a gun grab prevents them being enacted in reaction to news events such as the most recent one.
>>77182721
This.
>>77182944
>glock 40
>shows a high point
wew lad
Is everyone in here retarded? Last year here were like 200 total people killed with rifles. That's not even just ARs and AKs, that's any long gun. Fucking 250 people, that's it
>>77185022
I don't need any information on how our why.
American citizen who passed a background check. Worked for a multi national security firm that had government contracts.
SHALL
NOT
Your tin foil theories hold no water compared to facts.
>>77183220
I would show you how wrong you are if I were back home. If you can't do it, you aren't using big enough pockets!
>>77182385
assault rifles made after a certain date are already unavailable for civilian purchase.
>>77184385
160 hours of work and about 800 bucks of steel. Mostly because you are gonna fuck up the first few times.
>>77186648
its a meme i picked up, if you want shocking numbers proving more guns equal less crime search here.
http://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/
>>77182385
>Red Pill Me. Why shouldn't we ban assault riffles in America?
how well did that work for France?
>>77183677
No regulations are needed. Concealed carry needs to be legalized nationally and the public's reaction to mass shootings needs to be to demand to be allowed to keep and bear arms to protect themselves wherever they may be.
If arms were ubiquitous, nobody would succeed in killing mass numbers of people with guns
>>77182385
first we would have to make them legal because they got banned in 1986
>>77182536
>>Stubbornly upholds a 220 year old erroneous principle, that does not grant you rights to use any "arms" of your choice anyway, over the lives of many and future born.
>>77182385
The red pill is that we should ban them.
>>77182385
The guy was a security guard meaning he had better access than a random civilian
>>77182385
This feels like a swedish proxy.
>>77182385
Hey anon, ever notice how all of the mass shootings in the USA happen at "gun free zones"?
WHY WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE THE ENTIRE NATION A GUN FREE ZONE?
Also guns and crime have an inverse relationship. The swiss have everyone with a gun and they have the lowest crime rate in the world.
We don't have a gun problem, we have a nigger problem.
>>77190199
>a fucking leaf whose nation has literally never been relevant despite being next to America
>>77190626
>whose nation has literally never been relevant despite being next to America
OH THE FUCKING IRONY
>>77190720
We're the main reason for Trump's campaign coming to life and we're going to help build the greatest wall in history you crumpet eating faggot.
>>77190199
Dubs wasted on a pathetic leaf.... sad really
>>77190854
>We're the main reason for Trump's campaign coming to life
No, that's meme magic.
>we're going to help build the greatest wall in history
The only help you'll give are your taxes - the actual labour will be done by American workers.
>>77190977
>implying we won't be working together to build the wall while the illegal fucking shits get deported to the Gulf of Mexico
Go lose another territory Ahmed
>>77183062
Because no government seizes power in singularly momentuous movements, but in gradual shifts of power. Everyone has a pistol, the people would never stand for that kind of loss. But as the people become less and less familiar with rifles and begin to perceive AR's as "assault weapons," then it become easier to use it as a sort of foot in the door.
>>77190349
Whats /Pol?
>>77191100
Why would the Americans want subhumans to build their wall? Surely they want it to actually function?
>Go lose another territory
Better to have reigned and lost than never reigned at all.
>>77182499
FPBP
>>77187750
I have a cnc 4 axis in my apartment, and from what I see the trigger group doesn't look too complicated, hell, my PCB mill could probably cut it out.
As for the lower, it doesn't seem to be that much
>steel
>800
there's your problem. Aluminium, bitch. From what I can tell thus far, the lower seems to be nothing more than a glorified bracket.
>>77191305
>Better to have reigned and lost than never reigned at all.
Famous last words of a cucked nation becoming a muslim shithole
>>77182385
I'm tired of asking.. but, here goes (again):
Who do you think will physically round up, root out and collect all the banned firearms? Armed American citizens? How many police, sheriffs and military will comply with this unconstitutional order?
>>77191211
When did it stop being called /pol ?
I feel like an oldfag lost in time.
Lots of hunters use AR-15's in Alaska because they are reliable.
>webm related.
>>77187226
That's the joke
>>77191416
I prefer a stronger metal for my work, even if much heavier. And not quite, but not entirely wrong.
>>77192063
and with that, It's time for me to head back to /sci/ and /diy/.
It was fun come here, y'all are funny.
>>77190349
Swedes are ruining videogames.
Johan is the absolute worst practitioner of DLC.
>>77191484
I rather have an ak up there the ar15 tends to have problems when it gets crazy cold
>>77192063
by the way, what are laws in panama for something like an AR?
>>77184385
very very easy just look up the drop in auto sears for ar15s and you can buy full auto trigger components legaly
>>77184385
essayist full auto conversion out there is for the sks. remove sear and it slams out all the rounds, rig something to engage the bolt stop and you now have an open bolt full auto
>>77182385
Because it would help the rise of a dictatorship.
Always these retarded bait threads, why do you guys not just sage and report ffs?
>>77192819
I thought the same thing. my AR doesn't like temperatures below 20F, starts having FTEs until I get a few rounds through it and it starts to heat up.
>>77191484
Not that I'm against guns, but fuck alaska. More degenerate than florida.
>>77182385
Sage shill threads
>>77182385
They practically are. To get a fully automatic rifle you need to pay a tax stamp and register with the ATF, not to mention a fully auto Colt AR costs $15k and is priced to high for 99% of the population.
>>77192997
Don't ask, don't tell.
>Why shouldn't we ban assault riffles in America?
Because they aren't actually involved in enough murders to make banning them worthwhile, why would banning a type of weapon used in less then 1% of murders have any meaningful impact on America's appalling murder rate? It's a statistical impossiblity.
FYI just call them semiautomatic rifles, that's what you mean, that's what you're obviously referring to it really isn't that hard to learn the proper terminology.
>>77182385
>Why shouldn't we have more background checks before purchasing a gun?
What else do you fucking want, man?
Lanza and pals were a bunch of NEETs with no prior record. A background check would have done nothing.
Omar "Bear Season" Mateen was on the fucking FBI's WATCHLIST and could STILL purchase a firearm.
I don't know what else you want aside from being forced to purchase weapons from the federal government itself.
>>77192819
>>77193354
I've never had a problem. And I'm sure it gets plenty cold.
>>77182385
You can't ban something that is both durable and in widespread circulation.
It just doesn't work. Every country that has tried to ban guns that had them in wide circulation still had them floating around decades and decades later still available to perpetuate the same kinds of crimes.
I haven't even touched the martial or cultural reasons we shouldn't ban guns.
>>77184224
Even in Australia security people can get handguns.
>>77182385
Assault rifles are already very heavily regulated. You can't legally buy a new assault rifle from a gun dealer, and buying an already registered assault rifle secondhand from another civilian is a very lengthy and expensive process that requires a lot of interaction with the ATF.
>>77182499
FPBP
Background checks don't do shit, and if I wanted to get a machine gun, I'm pretty sure that there are some folks south of the border who could get them for me for a whole helluva lot cheaper than buying one legally here in the states. Contrary to popular belief, they don't get all of their firearms from the US. I've seen pictures of fucking MG42s seized from cartels.
>>77193392
thanks friend. Just as I was saying, given it's intent as a military rifle, I'd be surprised if any part of it is particularly complex.
>>77193429
So, same as in Honduras.
>tfw bodyguard would have contacts for just about anything.
>no one legally allowed anything more than pistols and pump action shotguns
feels gud.
>>77182385
>Why shouldn't we have more background checks before purchasing a gun?
we do
kill yourself
>>77182385
Assault rifles are banned in brazil. Pic related it's a criminal in brazil with an assault rifle.
>>77182385
Because the white population is slowly getting outbred.
>>77185588
Not OP, but an assault rifle is a rifle where the safety has three positions, where one, when selected, allows more than one round to be fired with a single pull of the trigger. In other words, an M-16 is an assault rifle and an AR-15 is not. Put the proper BCG and trigger group in pic related, and you have an assault rifle. But if you aren't a LEO or other government goon, doing so on that stripped lower is 100% illegal, because it was manufactured after 1986.
>>77182385
Because they have already been banned since 1986 you dumb fuck.
>>77182385
Please don't blame all firearms for the misuse of a few.
Guns are a tool of peace and this kind of rhetoric only triggers nonviolent moderate gun owners.
>>77194763
that gun is missing the third hole it will not be able to accept an auto sear unless you mill out the shelf and drill the hole for the auto sear pin
Because "assault rifle" cannot be defined.
They are literally the same technology as hunting rifles.
If you want, you can ban the "AR-15" or even list 100 different specific rifles. Manufacturers will need like 30 days to tweak one thing in the design (aesthetic), name it something new and sell it legally again.
This is why the original "assault weapon ban" was allowed to expire: it didn't actually ban anything that made any sense.
A blanket ban on semi-autos would work, but the SCOTUS would strike it down.
The only real path to ban "assault weapons" is to repeal the 2nd amendment.
Not gonna happen in your lifetime.
>>77194960
My neighbor has a machine shop in his back yard;)
But seriously, I'm kind of a pussy when it comes to bullets cracking over my head if there is no barrier between myself and the offending muzzle. I'd much rather deal with a threat from a looooooong ways away, so full auto is not exactly a priority for me. Besides, full auto is expensive to feed, the hungry little bastards.
>>77192972
The thing that I never seen mentioned is that we've have 'assault weapons' for years. Semi automatic rifles have existed before world war 1 and have been prolific in America since world war 2. This new wave of shootings has begun in what looks like 2011/2012. If it was gun laws, we'd have shootings like this since the 50s
We should actually mandate that all guns MUST be full auto. Semi-auto will no longer be an option.
This will actually reduce casualties in mass murder events. The temptation to hold down the trigger and spew bullets is too tempting, but it's also extremely inefficient. You are barely aiming at all at this point and are going to kill far fewer people. You'll shoot a few people too many times each, and inaccurately, and spend far more time reloading.
This is literally why the military has been eliminating full auto mode from standard issue rifles. It's just a waste of ammo. The real purpose of full auto is suppression fire on a battlefield, not kills.
>>77182385
The way the government determined what is an "assault weapon" and what is not was they literally looked through gun catalogs and the guns they said looked "threatening" were put on a list and called "assault weapons". These people were anti-gunners with no knowlege of guns and classified weapons on looks alone with no knowledge of weapon capability.
Another thing worth noting is these people talk about how nobody needs a "machine gun" aka an automatic weapon. Automatics are already banned almost everywhere and further the crime statistics on automatic weapons in crime are so low that the FBI themselves don't even count it as having occured.
What's more is every massshooting of recent time has occurred in an area where guns are banned.
Mass shooters specifically choose areas where people don't have guns so they can't defend themselves.
If you look at the statistics on crime far more crimes are prevented due to guns than crimes that occur.
"Assault weapons" have the exact same capabilities as any other semiautomatic weapon.
>>77195523
Didn't mean to reply to that guy
>>77182385
Some things to consider:
1. There is no real basis for assuming the current gun purchasing / background check system isn't good how it is. This idea is pushed by the mainstream media but never substantiated.
2. Because the process of doing a background check is quick and convenient, (they literally just do a phone call) people act like it's not a thorough background check, and they act as if this means anyone can get any gun at any time. The fact of the matter is plenty of people get rejected, and making the process more complicated and inconvenient for law abiding citizens wouldn't solve anything. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#background_denials
3. Look up some information on how mass murderers tend to get their weapons. They typically don't obtain them legally anyway, this is another myth pushed by the mainstream media. Usually they steal their guns.
4.The term "assault rifle" is a misnomer. AR15 stands for armalite rifle, not assault rifle. Any gun can be used to attack, or to defend. These weapon stereotypes like the AR15 is a good guy gun, and the AK47 is for bad guys, is a retarded idea that people get from video games.
>>77195632
Fucking this
I see morons on Twitter asking when the good guy with a gun is going to show up, actively stopping a shooting isn't the point. If a potential shooter thinks victims will be armed he won't attack. Look at how many mass shootings have been in places like Alaska, west Virginia and Wyoming. Everyone carries, no mass shootings
>>77183350
wtf i hate trump now
>>77195958
Now, to answer your questions more directly:
>Why shouldn't we ban assault rifles in America?
If somebody isn't going to kill an innocent person with their weapon, and if they will store them safely, handle them responsibly, and make sure they aren't stolen from them, then it doesn't matter what guns they have or how many rounds they have. That's not the problem. The problem is guns in the hands of criminals. Notice how anti-gun people never talk about getting guns out of the hands of criminals. They'll look at an incident like what you see in Orlando, and they will then try to extend the perpetrator's actions to everybody else, and use it as an excuse to take law abiding citizens' guns away. No, I'm not going to give up my rights because of somebody else's actions.
Furthermore, banning semi-automatic rifles would be an infringement of our second amendment rights. It is an insult to the founding fathers to assume that they didn't know technology would get better and guns would evolve. Common citizens had muskets, the same gun of the military then, and common citizens should be able to have the same gun as the modern military now. We did it before, somehow we survived, somehow we didn't all kill each other, so we can continue to do it now. The second amendment is not just to protect muskets for hunting. It is in place in case the government / police / military forces become tyrannical.
>Why shouldn't we have more background checks before purchasing a gun?
The current system is actually good. People who shouldn't have guns DO get rejected under the current system, and you never hear about that on the mainstream media. All you hear is about how easy it is for just anyone to get a gun legally, and it's not true.
>>77182385
red pill me on why should you be allowed to live? Why shouldn't we publicly execute you as a subversive element?
>>77182385
Now as for the argument with more background checks.
Since this is in response to Omar Mateen, let's use him as the measure of the effectiveness of background checks.
Omar Mateen had previously been alerted to the FBI for troubling remarks he had made to co-workers. His co-workers informed the FBI that he had mean bragging about having family members and friends in al-Qa’ida and Hezbollah, and connections to the Boston Marathon bombers.
In response to these comments Omar Mateen was interogated twice by the FBI in questioning sessions.
After both of those sessions Omar Mateen was cleared as not being a threat and that is why Omar Mateen was able to purchase guns.
Now let me ask you this. What kind of background checks do you suggest? 3 interrogation sessions with the FBI? Because apparently 2 wasn't good enough.
The problem here is not guns. There is no need to make things harder on law abiding citizens.
The problem is that we are too like on Islam. Islamists are always going to be a threat to the western world in one way or another as long as Islam exists.
Omar Mateen was twice suspected or terrorism but still allowed to walk free in society because nobody wants to seem Islamophobic.
In the last 10 years 121 people have been killed by muslims in religiously motivated attacks in america. In that same time there hasn't been a single case of "Islamophobes" attacking muslims.
>>77182967
There was an "assault weapon" ban from 1994 to 2004. That ban was lifted since it made no effect at all on crime.
>>77182385
BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY ASSAULT RIFLES YOU IGNORANT FUCK.
NO MASS SHOOTING HAS EVER BEEN CARRIED OUT WITH AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON
FUCK. I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF NOW.
>>77182385
Because you can't fight the department of homeland security with cucked out off spec weapons.
Were the government ever to attempt mass internment they would use the Chinese method. They would not send in our own military or police because too many would defect or refuse to harm citizens, instead they need a third party force. Which in this case is dhs most of whom are ex military privateers.
Who are equipped with military spec ARs.
If you want to even have a chance you must have at least what we have now.
So that is why. And also SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>77182385
congratulations, the antis have successfully conflated the term "assault weapon" with "assault rifle"
assault RIFLES are select fire rifles in an intermediate cartridge. the only real purpose of that term is for classification in military arms for military doctrine, i.e. somewhere functionally in between a full length rifle and a submachine gun
assault WEAPON is a term that has many different meanings depending on who you ask, there is no federal law defining them
most often the term is used in places like California to put an arbitrary limit on the number of scary looking "features" a rifle has (adjustable buttstock/handguards/bayonet lugs) in order to ban popular rifles that look frightening to the average person
see pic related, the differences are purely ergonomic, they are functionally identical. One was just an easier target, and is used as a stepping stone to get to the other, for example in California, where they are in the process of passing a bill that would "close the featureless loophole" to ban all "high capacity" magazine fed guns when the people using that "loophole" were completely abiding by the silly law
these laws are simply stupid, the San Bern shooters had bought california legal rifles and simply taken them apart, left out some pieces, and put them back together to make "assault rifles"
>>77182385
shill
>>77196711
Duds kek demands your death
>>77182385
There is no such thing as an "assault" rifle.
'Assault' is a noun or a verb, not an adjective.
If they're banned how can I massacre a group of fags, OP. You're not very practical are you? Bet you want to ban other useful tools like hammers and duck tape as well.
>>77182499
first post drama queen
>>77194960
all spikes lowers are low shelf milled for a lightning link.
>>77197037
>AR15
>800 rounds per minute
delete that image from your computer so you don't ever post it again
>>77182385
I don't want bans on guns because I'm crippled. I can't defend myself physically if someone were to attack me, but a gun is an equalizer, I can protect myself from an attacker if I have a gun.
>>77182385
So we could purge dumbfucks like you
wow, OP was probably for real for once
We HAVE sufficient background checks for guns. Anything that can be caught (police record, mental health record) IS caught. The idea that "let's just spread the net wider and we'll catch all the criminals" is as misguided as the idea that "let's just test everyone for all treatable diseases, we'll catch them all before they get bad." What happens is you lead to a death spiral of false-positives that causes rising death rates because of dangerous treatments of negligible ills.
Take this latest shooter, for example. People are making all these claims after-the-fact, but those mean nothing after the volunteers of information already know him to be a mass killer. He had no criminal record, had no mental record, was determined to be no threat by the FBI, and was a cop-in-training for a brief period of time and was dismissed only because of a technical violation, not because he was determined to be a dangerous individual. Unless the FBI simply failed in their job, You could never have canvased this man to be illegible for a gun in a way that wouldn't intrude upon the rights and privacy of a dozen million other individuals.
>>77188134
yeah, you'll just replace mass shootings with a bunch of accidental ones. whoops.
Mass shootings are a mental health problem first and foremost.
>>77199524
>yeah, you'll just replace mass shootings with a bunch of accidental ones. whoops.
yeah, because vermont and maine are known as dangerous shitholes where accidental shootings are rampant.
How about you go kill yourself instead of spouting uninformed drivel on the internet?
>>77182385
Pistols are just as effective as assault weapons in mass shooting, if not more
because they can be concealed and one can carry more mags and multiple pistols
if you actually care about preventing homicides in significant amounts, you would be pushing for pistol bans rather than assault weapons
pushing for assault weapons makes you either a racist, since blacks are overwhelmingly the victims of handgun violence, or you've been manipulated by the antigun lobby
>>77182385
Because it's unconstitutional.
Because a well armed populace prevents government overreach.
Because the government wants very very badly to overreach.
Because it's a powerful foreign deterrent.
Because giving a monopoly on violence to the state is for cowardly faggots.
>>77195622
Excellent idea.
>>77182385
It's the fucking constitution. Don't rape it!
>>77183498
DELETE THIS
>>77182385
The sale of new assault rifles to civilians is already illegal under the National Firearms Act. Has been for decades.
you missed a thread. late OP
>>77182967
I have one of these, they're fucking sweet and cheap as dirt to shoot
>>77182385
Why should we?
From a logical viewpoint the firearm freedom of 300+ million Americans is worth far more than the number they kill, which is tiny even counting nigger on nigger gang violence compared to other products like swimming pools.
>>77182385
>>77182385
Why shouldn't we ban murder in America?
The AR-15 isn't even a fucking assault rifle, it's just black and scary looking to uneducated retards.
>>77190199
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you get? The age of the principle doesn't matter. In our country, it is a basic right you have as a citizen. They're the safeguard put in place by the founding fathers as a means to protect the citizens from an unlawful and unconstitutional government.
>>77183639
thanks
>>77183639
And what are you going to use as a leverage, idiot? You should have used your cake to protect your cake rights while you had cake, now the government has better cake and can force you to give them all the cake.
It's really your own damn fault for being so dumb.
>>77202813
>black and scary
kek
>>77182385
because it had no measurable effect in 1994
>>77182385
why is my AR15 called an assault rifle at the same time as a cops AR15 is called a defense rifle?
>>77183395
>No he didn't. He illegally acquired them.
the FBI said he bought them legally.. where did your info come from?
>>77182385
I'd tack: "Because the police and government can not protect you from crime they can only prosecute criminals after the fact."
On to. >>77200525
No police officer ever brought a murder victim back to life and very very few murders in progress have ever been prevented by police.
>>77182385
they are banned
>>77197638
You say that, but we have had twenty years to watch what has gone down in all the totalitarian nany state's that got the ban you faggots want. You never stop. The control is never reasonable enough for you. First it's the "assault rifles". Then it's the deadly concealable hand guns. Then it's the armor piercing assassin sniper guns. Then how can you justify letting people have shotguns? You don't even have to aim them after all? Australia banned the new type of nerf guns because they are too dangerous.
