Canada has simple gun control, America doesn't
Makes you think huh?
>>77139664
>a fucking leaf
Wow
>>77139664
America has more freedom in 24 hours than Canada does in 20 years
Wow
and also a mass shooting is whatever i define it as and there is no source for this
>>77139664
>Wow
Thirsty beta cucks
>>77139664
>simply a coincidence
>>77139664
Please dont blame all firearms for the misuse of a few.
Guns are a tool of peace
Saying they should all be banned will trigger them and cause more violence
>>77139763
Good thing the goose isn't out national bird then.
>>77139664
that's not very tolerant of you, canada. we americans prefer to tolerate the actions of our mentally-different gun-abled friends.
Are there any statistics that show the race behind so-called mass shootings? I mean, 95% of them are probably committed by blacks and spics.
>>77139664
Go watch In Search Of The Second Amendment on youtube before making up nonsense. And be careful not to speak any hate while you're there.
Alright so far no one has come up with a counter argument so I'm gonna assume that you're all ignorant of the positives of gun control.
>>77139664
What do you mean, "7 since Monday"? Today is monday. Not every shooting is a mass shooting. 2 bodies isn't a massacre either.
wow
>>77140165
You're right, it's not a coincidence. It's common sense gun control working
>>77139664
America also has a population far, far fucking larger than that of Canada, and a far greater number of gangs, who, might I add, are mostly blacks and wet backs.
Restrictive gun laws only serve to harm the average law-abiding American citizen. If someone (e.g, a Muslim) is intent on causing harm, they will get guns via illegal methods.
Gun control didn't save Paris, gun control didn't save Brussels, gun control didn't save the huge numbers of people who have been killed by gang violence in Ireland.
>>77139664
Congrats, it's going to be that much easier to conquer your territory down the road. Throwing moose shit isn't going to deflect incoming gunfire.
>>77140538
please remind us again of the virtues of gun control and sucking dog dicks you nasty dogfucker.
>>77140860
Much less mass shortings and lower homicide. It's that simple
>>77139664
Gun crimes are socioeconomic. Thats why gun related deaths are going down while the amount of guns per capita in america is going up. Canadian's don't live in nigger tier squalor like spics, niggers and rednecks, hence the high gun crime rate.
>>77139664
>we include gang bangers killing each other
>but only when it's convenient
>>77140737
she also didn't say who caused the mass shooting she quoted. it obviously will be gang violence, but ignore the increase in urban violence since obama pardoned all those criminals.
>>77139664
6 of those 7 were South Chicago niggers whose inability to hit their target means one attempted murder becomes 3+ every. single. time.
If leftistcucks ever broke their "facts" down to show race and location, they'd have nothing left to argue on other than the need to make harsher penalties for minorities who have illegal weapons, which is what we ALL need if you actually wanted real progress to reduce mass shootings.
>>77139664
>Murrica is drowning in Niggers and Spics, Canada isn't.
Makes you think huh?
>>77140078
that pic makes no sense.
and for the record, you can find countless examples of trumplets complaining about socialism and threatening to move to canada if hillary wins.
>>77140737
Much less mass shootings and homicidea in France and Brussels. Coincidence? Nope, gun control
>>77140953
and is that a side effect of the gun control or the doggilingus?
>>77139664
But Canada is also Canada. The middle-child that no one remembers or cares about.
>>77141106
>complaining about socialism and threatening to move to canada
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>77141110
Both countries with tiny populations compared to the United States
Switzerland is a country full of guns yet their crime rate is extremely low.
>>77141113
Obviously gun control. You need to go through a very thorough process to get a gun and it has proven to work
>>77139664
wow
>>77141243
Hey that doesn't mean anything, I hate the French but I'm still going to move to France.
Heh.
>>77139664
>pol will defend this
>inb4 muh guns
>>77141342
but having a population with unrestricted access to dog cunt must help as well.
>>77140165
>implying its mainly black doing the mass shooting
>implying allowing sicktards to get guns is not the problem
how come america got it right for so long and yet you call them cucks? is it jealousy ?
>>77141781
4 or more people
Yeah that happens once a week in chicago. By blacks with illegal firearms
>>77141781
>372 mass shootings
>475 deaths
>1.28 deaths per mass shooting
>>77139874
Underrated post.
>>77141342
you know how many fucking hoops you have to jump trough just to get a ar-15
its much easier to get a gun illegally on the black market than legal in Canada
>>77142060
>or injured
>OR INJURED
>INJURED
>OR
Get out and come back when you have an argument
>>77139664
canada has the population of california and the population is spread out
>>77140219
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_birds
??????
>>77139664
If we'd go after the street gangs harder this would stop. Sentence them to death for crimes like this instead of criminal school aka prison. The judges need to quit being so goddamn lax on these stupid thugs.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
Check that link out. 90 fucking percent show the perp to be involved in a latin or black gang.
Can't report that though because it would be racist. It's racist to acknowledge facts these days. Fucking pic related.
>>77141342
>thorough process
>a quick and local background check plus a written test is all you need for rifles in canada
>second test for a handgun
it's much easier than you think, coward.
>>77142278
>le we change the definition of mass shooting whenever it's convenient may may
>>77139874
>gets shot for being gay
>so much freedom
>>77140201
Guns are solely meant to kill living things. This is an idea that has been repeated over and over agian and yet I still don't understand how americans still don't get it.
There is no valid reason to keep guns around.
>>77140514
The poster is terribly uninformed. It doesn't happen that often, only once every ~3 months.
And most of them are commited by kids with depression, muslim terrorists and christian terrorists. No niggers or spics around.
our gun control happened because we let our government twist a terrorist attack into a hate crime caused by guns
don't let it happen to you Ameribros
>>77139664
SIMPLE?
>can own tavors and vz58s non restricted
>AR 15s, restricted, can't take out into the woods
>Aks are prohibited (basically banned)
>Sks are non restricted
Canadian gun laws are fucking shit and nonsensical.
>>77143277
>Guns are solely meant to kill living things.
We get it and we're perfectly comfortable with the idea.
Well, most of us.
>>77143506
and don't forget that Mini-14's are some of the least regulated guns in the country despite being THE ENTIRE REASON WE HAVE GUN LAWS AT ALL
>>77143524
If the pic is supposed to say "we use them to defend ourselves" then you don't need guns to defend yourself. Stun guns work surprisingly well.
>>77139664
If only you had sensible fire control
>>77143684
According to Obama's 2013 CDC study on gun violence, guns work better.
In fact, using a gun results in fewer injuries for both attacker and defender than any other method, including compliance with you assailant.
>>77143815
You don't even need to be a genius to know that's a lie.
>>77139664
First black president...Makes you think huh?
>>77143684
If by "stun guns" you mean tazers, they can be stopped by thick clothing and are known to fail
Plus they are not effective for dealing with multiple opponents
>>77143947
Not an argument, gypo.
>>77143947
It isn't though, that was the actual result of the study.
>>77143947
Not really. It's common sense when you think about it. If you attack someone and they pull a gun are you going to keep attacking them?
Have you read the study?
>>77144039
Citations needed
>>77139664
Makes me think im not very free
Wow, Canada bans guns and welcomes refugees with hospitality and no one dies. Makes you think...
I can't wait to see burgers doing mental gymnastics to explain away their issues.
>americans
>doing gymnastics
>>77139664
In light of seeing calls for gun control on twitter and other social media it seems important to remind everyone of the following:
There are an estimated 357 million guns(1), and 310 million citizens. One in three owns a firearm (2), making 103.3 Million gun owners in the USA. According to CNN there are 33,636 gun related deaths (3), of which nearly 60% of all of them were suicide (4). This leaves us with 13,455 (rounded up) gun violence related deaths. Which in a population of 310 million equates to killing 0.00004343% (repeating) of the US population in 2015.
However, 48.9% of Violent Crime is Gang Related (5). So from what I can tell, avoid bad areas and gang related activity and you should live an entire life free of lead made holes.
Sources:
1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/05/guns-in-the-united-states-one-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/
2: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
3: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/us/gun-deaths-united-states/
4: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html
5: https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/gang-related-offenses
The media never bring up this topic when police fuck up. Why does no one ever push to disarm the police? They always shoot people and kill dogs.
>>77141106
It's a counter-signal meme, and it makes perfect sense.
>>77139763
>no logical response
>post memes
>>77139874
Except for gay marriage, legal weed, freedom of religion, free healthcare, etc.
But yeah, good point.
>>77144911
>legal weed
>>77139664
Lets look at population differences and economical standings
USA is larger
USA is a larger economical power making it a larger target
Fucking leaf
>>77144911
>gay marriage
pretty much entirely irrelevant and effects less than 1% of the population
>legal weed
we don't have legal weed, and the US is way ahead of us on this
>freedom of religion
we actually don't have that
>free healthcare
this is a pretty complicated issue that i won't try debating
One of the biggest things we don't have is free speech, you can literally be jailed here for speech
>>77141781
wow how many people died from car crashes? Ban cars too xdddddddd
>>77139664
This kills the leaf.
>>77145171
congrats, you posted absolutely nothing.
>>77141781
they've redefined mass shootings with a broad definition to conflate these numbers
99% of those are just gang shootings
>>77145293
explain how we are more free than americans
>>77139664
"""mass shootings"""
>one nigger shoots two other niggers other a crack rock
>MASS SHOOTING!
>>77139664
To me, Mass Shooting, is a massive amount of shooting in any form. Mass shootings happen daily all over Canada at firearm ranges and clubs where people go daily and shoot massive amounts of bullets at paper.
But seriously, why does no one care about inner hood violence? Black kids are killing black kids all the time. Does that not bother them?
>>77145320
its like when the put mongrels (half white - half subhuman) in the white category for govt statistics specifically for violent crime and include "hispanics" as whites as well.
otherwise 80% of the violent crime in this country would be committed by non-whites and muds
>>77144911
You don't have any of those things except gay marriage.
>>77145416
>>77145171
don't bother arguing with him, he's a cuck or a troll or both
really makes you drink
>>77139664
population and demographic differences
per capita, white america has a similar homicide rate to holland
>>77143168
Nigger you have to fill out all kinds of forms and get references and background checks. It took me like 4 months, shut the fuck up you don't know what you're talking about
>>77142441
>Official status: No
Americans everyone.
>>77139664
The U.S has over 9 times the population.
>>77145776
it really depends on the province
I got my card in the mail two months after my test
They only called one of my references, and the interview is just 10 yes or no questions
>all kinds of forms
it's two pages
>90% white (of which OP isn't a part of)
>1/11th the population
I wonder what it is Ahmed, can you help me figure it out?
>>77145261
MASS BLOWING
>Trudeau would be proud
>>77145776
Don't forget our names are ran through a system daily to check for offences we may have committed that would warrant a seizer of our firearms
>>77145416
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/03/canada-is-the-freest-nation-in-the-world-legatum-study-says
>>77139664
>Canada : 36 million people
>America : 360 million people
America has more shootings, wow, really makes you think huh?
>>77145905
And far more blacks, far more spics and if you include illegals it's easily over 10x the population of Canada. It's also very much not on fire due to their imported nigger firemen going on strike.
>>77145934
in 30 years muslims with be a plurality
>>77144911
>Except for gay marriage, legal weed, freedom of religion, free healthcare, etc.
You don't understand what freedom is, do you?
Freedom means not being FORCED to do things, not getting free shit for being a good goy.
>>77145293
Good Christ, you reek of nu male.
>>77146037
USA has way more than 10x the mass shootings we do.
But thats mostly beacuse of:
>niggers
>towel heads
>terrible public health system
>>77145416
I just did. Explain how we're not.
>>77145917
They called both of mine, didn't like some of the answers, rejected the reference and the form had to be redone. Took four months. Now compare that to literally walking into a store and buying a gun
>>77139874
based Colgate
>>77139664
Yeah. Makes me think you have more white people.
>>77146087
Gays in your country are FORCED not to marry. You're FORCED not to smoke weed. You're FORCED to pay for healthcare you can't afford.
But that's alright, you can buy a gun even if you're a terrorist.
>>77145956
they take away your guns as soon as you're involved with a violent crime in the US as well though
>>77145776
Which keeps lazy violent fucks from owning guns. Congrats you barely had the mental stamina to fill a few forms. Are you even white?
>>77146259
>all taxes considered, my effective tax rate is well over 50%
>forced to use our socialized shitty health care system
>private schools forced out of existence by big govt
>private universities forced out of existence by big govt monopolies
>selling liquor in BC sanctioned entirely by the state
>meanwhile rich chinks buy up all our land and we have no say in the matter
Ya, fuck off you idiot
>>77146639
I'm ok with it because it works to keep mentally ill people away from guns
Calm down faggot
>>77146466
>didn't like some of the answers
they're all yes or no answers, who did you use as a reference? sounds like they intentionally fucked over your application
>Now compare that to literally walking into a store and buying a gun
You are pretty unfamiliar with american gun laws I think, you can't do that anywhere
There is always some paperwork to fill out for the transfer, background check etc.
It's actually easy to walk out of the store same day with a gun here than it is in the US
>gangbangers shooting other gangbangers with guns
>mass shooting
That's called gang war.
>>77144316
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data
>>77140737
also America has a backbone, and is thus targeted
>>77146952
>Mother Jones.
Yes, our retarded, faggot cousins of the North.
>>77141342
>and it has proven to work
No it hasn't
Out of the 35+ peer reviewed studies all but three showed that gun control does dick all over half of which showed gun control has a negative effect.
>>77142034
>>implying its mainly black doing the mass shooting
That's because it is you fucking roach. When the kikes talk about a "shooting every day" they're pulling up stats about dindus executing each other in Chiraq.
White shooters are maybe a dozen a year, at most, but that's 100% of what the Jew talks about. Rarity makes it interesting. Talking about ngigers evert single day just gets boring. You don't get adshekel being boring.
>>77146835
Yeah nah you're a fucking idiot, you don't even need a background check to buy guns at a gun show in america lmao
>>77139664
BURGERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
BUT AT LEAST I GOT MY FREEDUMS RIGHT GUIES
>>77139664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
here you go faggot. leave it to based Bill Whittle.
>>77147194
Yes you do
If people are selling guns at gun shows without a background check, that's entirely illegal and equivalent to buying a gun off an illegal arms dealer
>>77139664
Canada is an uninhabitable tundra.
>>77139664
>implying criminals follow the law
This nigger doesn't remember the Long Gun Registry.
>>77139664
Please excuse my countrymen, he's dead in the head. Because he didn't look at the population difference between our nations.
>>77147318
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
Wow you are fucking stupid, go back to America pls
>>77147318
Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required, nor are they permitted to perform background checks on buyers.
Youre a fucking idiot and talking out your ass.
>>77146952
>Motherjones
Notice how hey deliberately subtract 1 from the legal definition of a masshooting to fluff their numbers?
>The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and uses a definition of a "public mass shooting" if four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder"
She wrote post saying she's been banning idiots all day yesterday. Can talk shit but can't defend it. Typical pearl clutching woman.
>>77146718
Yeah, for government programs, taxes are necessary you dumb fuck.
You have the option of going to the united states and taking advantage of their system if you so choose.
Private schools and universities are still alive and kicking, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
On top of that, it's 1 pm in BC, get a fucking job.
>>77139664
>Mass shootings
K define it Reachal
Sorry but the liberal welfare state gun banning agenda is a recipe for disaster, just look at the statistics.
>>77147455
>>77147444
if it's a licensed vendor with a table at a gun show, that's not a private sale
If someone privately sells a firearm to someone who isn't allowed to own guns that's illegal
Referring to it as a "loophole" is a misnomer
We're allowed to do private sales in Canada as well so we have the same "loophole" you're referring to
>Canada bans guns to prevent mass shootings
>They still have mass shootings
>8 is infinitely greater than 0
LMAOing at ur logic, leaves
>>77147444
>Gun show loophole
Ahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
Learn the laws fag.
All ffls have to run a background check period
Private sales aren't a "loophole" it is a legally protected right at the Federal level and allot of states require private sellers to run background checks at gun shows anyway.
Not that gun shows have ever been an issue ever as the DOJ ran a massive study before background checks were even legally required and found that less than 1% of criminals got their firearms from gun shows.
It is. Red herring of the highest order
>>77144599
Nice fallacy. You use the total population to show how insignificant gun murders are. Next time try to show us the percentage when compared to population death, or even better, how many murders have been commited using guns. Faggot. Hurr durr, there is 3 gorillion americans, and only 13 300 of them died at the hand of guns. Meanwhile a total of 20 000 people died that year. The chance of getting killed by a gun is 0.0000000001551% repeating. No dipshit, the chance of getting killed by a gun has to account the percentage of death caused by guns. Nice way of leaving out suicides, which is one of the problems with guns everywhere.
>>77139664
>an outright lie
>wow
Fuck off leaf faggot
If America gets their shit together I already know that terror groups will go through Canada to America from that unguarded border. Mexican cartels won't allow it and will be walled off.
>>77147711
>bans guns
Only fully automatic firearms and certain hand guns are prohibited. I have over a dozen guns, we're like 10th in the world for gun ownership.
>>77147482
>we are the most free country in the world
>if you don't like our authoritarian, overreaching socialist government, move to another country!
>>77139664
>tfw most Canadian shitposts are clearly b8
>tfw /pol/ falls for every single one
>>77147827
how is suicide a "problem"?
I thought it was #mybodymychoice
>>77147901
So...
kinda exactly like the US?
>>77147822
What's stupid is the Canadians here mentioning the "loophole" aren't aware we're allowed to do private sales as well
>>77147482
Also, it's 2pm here and the markets close at 1.
You're a fucking retard.
>>77139664
goddamn..LOL
Further proof that leafland is full of beta cucks....
>>77147696
Way to move the goalposts
there is no mandatory background check at gun shows.
And selling to a Canadian without a gun license is a crime. You don't know a fucking thing, do you?
>>77145416
WE CAN HAVE SEX WITH DOGS
THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR
THIS IS WHAT YOU WISHED FOR
FUCKING TWENTY SIXTEEEEEEEN
>>77139664
You make it sound like AR15s are unattainable in Canada. The shooter went through all the legal steps to get a gun, he could have done the exact same thing here. It's not the gun, it's the people.
>THERE ARE MASS SHOOTINGS EVERY SINGLE DAY!
Only if you count marginalized communities, liberals. You wouldn't want to be racist, would you?
>>77148113
It's not mandatory for you to check someone's credentials when you make a private sale either
But you'll want to to make sure you're not selling it to someone who doesn't have guns or you could get in trouble
It's the same in the US if you were to privately sell guns to a felon, you could get in trouble
I don't know why you keep mentioning gun shows, if two people happen to meet and make an exchange at a gun show or anywhere else it is no difference
Actual vendors at gun shows are FFLs and do require background checks
>>77148041
Private sales to individuals who have a license.
>these mental gymnastics
>>77146574
Gays had the right to marriage. To someone of the opposite gender. The law doesn't give a shit about "love" or your mental disorder.
>>77139664
The only one I heard of is the gay nightclub. What are the other 7?
>>77148305
Just like how you're not supposed to privately sell to someone barred from having guns in the US
This is why many people only sell to gun stores or people they personally know, because they can get in trouble
>>77148292
Jesus Christ you're a moron. They've already been checked by the government.
>>77147907
Yep, we're increasingly socialist and it's a good thing. If you don't like it, move to the US, buy a gun, and shoot yourself. No one will care.
>>77139664
Canada has a higher homicide rate with rifles than the USA
>>77148252
Not to mention that him having security guard status means he'd have access to guns that are illegal for regular citizens in European nations.
Anyone using this example to say "we need reasonable gun control" is saying one kf two things
That we need a complete ban on guns for everyone but the government or we need to ban guns from all Muslims because those two things are the only things that would have stopped this man from legally obtaining firearms.
>>77139664
Per capita that would mean we have more mass shootings.
> WE WUZ MURICA
>>77148329
I'm not gay, I'm just not so caught up in superstition, or insecure, that I care who other people are fucking.
>>77148445
>They've already been checked by the government.
How do you know that? Most people don't call in someones PAL number to check when they make a private sale
>>77144833
A FUCKING LEAF
>>77146831
>not realizing Twitter is dominated by 60% niggers and those who adopt nigger culture
>not realizing worthwhile people don't waste their time with twitter
>implying the worth of a nation is based on it's social media
A F U C K I N G L E A F
>>77148521
pistols are hard to get. Most criminals just use shotguns here
wow
>>77139664
far higher pop and lots of niggers and spics, easy enough to answer. Still lets believe in the guns fantasy
Aren't there only like 200 people who live in Canada?
Of course they'll have less gun crime. There's no one to shoot.
>>77139664
>Canada has simple gun control
>Canada still has gun violence
Makes ya think, eh?
>>77146259
faggot leaf
>>77146718
based leaf
>>77148652
Not really, most criminals get their guns from the USA, somewhere to the tune of 97% of them according to this article. This would make sense that they'd still be using handguns, as evidenced in TO and Vancouver shootings lately.
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=e5a25902-4efb-4540-abbb-8e8e8edab924
>>77148445
>They've already been checked by the government.
>Illegal in Canada to sell gun to prohibited person
>Illegal in America to sell gun to prohibited person.
Nah it a Faget
BTW I'll say this again.
Before it was legally required for ffls or private sellers to run any background check the DoJ found that around .7% of criminals got their guns from a gun show.
The idea that gun shows are a problem is insane and detached from reality like all antigun positions
>>77139664
Australia has had "0" "mass shootings" that doesn't mean multiple people aren't shot and killed here every day.
>>77148626
you call the fucking number.
>most people
Now you're just making shit up, pathetic
>>77139664
A leaf fag. When the world ends, soft ass bitches like you will be licking my boots for scraps of food. All you will recieve is lead. The last thing you will see is my cold emotionless face as i squeeze the trigger and watch your body go limp.
>>77148011
>Mental Illness
>#muhbodymuhchoice
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDIN ME?
>>77148795
I've been trying to explain this to him but rather than listen to what I am saying he just keeps calling me a moron, I don't think there's any point trying with him any longer
>>77139664
>niggers chimping out
>mass shootings
no
>>77139763
Cant decide whats gayer to have on a flag. A leaf or stars lol
>>77148795
You can easily determine if the person is prohibited here. You can't at a gun show and aren't even required to do
>>77148821
Both circumstances are illegal and the onus is on the individual, so fundamentally the "gun show loophole" is no different here
>>77148039
No open carry and you can't buy a gun for the intent of self defence. Must be stored in a secure location, unloaded, and the transportation laws for restricted firearms. (Semi autos and pistols) are quite strict.
Keep in mind that U.S. gun laws are managed by the state and Canada's by the federal government with only a few changes for province to province. California has more gun restrictions than Canada does.
>>77148986
No because background checks aren't legally required. In Canada they are a legal requirement to sell any gun.
>>77149060
Open carry of long guns is legal, though I wouldn't suggest anyone try it
Canada is white. Everyone could have stinger missiles and it wouldn't be as violent as a bunch of blacks and Mexicans will be with kitchen utensils.
Are people intentionally stupid not to understand this.
>>77145996
>Let's make up our own definition of freedom and then declare someone the freest nation on earth
Fucking lunacy.
>>77148979
Yes you are.
>>77148888
Antigunners are bigger Zealots than the Muslim that shot up that gay bar.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
>Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
>Upon interviewing convicted felons, these researchers found that
>74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, due to fears of being shot
>57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police
>40% of the felons had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
http://libertyfirearmstraining.com/blog/2013/05/16/criminals-fear-armed-citizens-more-than-they-do-the-police/
>>77149179
Canada is only 75% white.
>>77139664
Hearing Canadians gripe about what they can't have on /k/ is depressing. No sane gun owner in the states wants that
hehe... good whitu man...
Keep fighting about gun laws. its very important
Just leave the trivil real estate laws to us
>>77149118
In the US you are not required to do a background check, but you are required to know whether or not the person you are selling to is barred from owning firearms
If you sell a gun to a felon, you are breaking a law and facing 10+ years in prison
>>77149295
How are you going to know whether or not the person is barred?
>>77146787
Mental illness does not bar you from guns in Canada. You can still get a license even though you have depression
https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/3w5k5z/do_i_have_a_chance_of_getting_my_palrpal/
>>77139664
the FBI defines nignogs in the hood killing each other as "mass shootings"
kill yourself back to India
>>77148979
>You can't at a gun show and aren't even required to do
Again
Less than .7% of criminals before background checks were required anywhere got their guns from gun shows.
Focusing on gun shows as a problem is like looking an a miniscule yellow speck on the side of a otherwise solid blue wall several miles long and trying to convince everyone the wall is yellow.
Also a 5 minute conversation and requisiting ID and a signature is a very effective way to root out felons.
Which is what the majority of gun owners who participate in private sales do.
huh.. makes you think
every country defines mass shootings, violent crime etc differently, comparing apples and oranges. Not to mention Canada does not share a border with Latin America and has a fraction of the gangs because less blacks and less hispanics, i'm sure if we took the population of detroit and put them in toronto that they'd all become law abiding citizens because of muh gun control
>>77149410
You shouldn't make private sales if you aren't sure
That's why a lot of people will only do private sales to people they know, or sell to FFLs
It's a risk you're taking, just like when you privately sell a gun here, the onus is on you to make sure you are not selling it illegally
Yes I agree our licensing system does make that easier and more reliable, but in principle it is the same
If someone in Canada wants to shirk their responsibilities when making a private sale they can, and a gun will end up in the wrong hands
It's no different
>>77148882
Feels like the left should make up their minds
Is it my body, and therefore my choice? Is suicide not simply a man's agency taken to its logical conclusion? Is wanting an abortion mental illness, too?
makes you think
>>77142034
it is the blacks doing the majority of all types of shootings.
>>77148882
What? Euthansia is allowed for severe mental illnesses in belgium and the netherlands. Canada too soon.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/health/0914-na-suicide
>One psychiatrist, speaking at the Canadian Medical Association’s recent annual general council meeting in Halifax, said many of the patients in her maximum-security hospital are “competent adults. Their conditions are grievous and irremediable, and they do cause enduring suffering,” she said. “Some of my patients contemplate suicide as a means of escape.”
Depression is not mental incompetence neither does it preclude you from being able to make a decision regarding suicide.
>>77149649
It's totally different as I have stated multiple times. You are required to have a background check in Canada. You aren't at gun shows America.
Stop the circular logic stupidity, child, it's different and we both know it
>>77149689
Banning guns is racist because black people use them the most.
>I can buy a house the day of, in pure cash, without revealing my name, profession, ethnicity, country of origin, or any personal history the the government
>want to buy a pea shooter, 3month wait and countless governemtn forms and inspection
Gun control in Canada was proven to have done shit
http://m.jiv.sagepub.com/content/27/12/2322.short
Actual cucknadian study btw
>>77139664
Price of freedom, cant handle than go become a slave luke europe and leaf.
>>77148935
Stars are better, goy.
>>77147827
>Next time try to show us the percentage when compared to population death,
>2014
>Number of deaths: 2,596,993
>Death by firearm, including suicide: 32 thousand and change
>0.012% chance of dying by a firearm
It's still literally nothing you fucking cunt
>or even better, how many murders have been commited using guns
Most of them are. The problem with that concept is we had 14 thousand murders in a country of 330 million people. It's a literal non issue.
Even if you just go by deaths instead of total population you have a .005% chance of your death being a murder.
Fucking sick of these liberals thinking canada is an sjw paradise because of that faggot Trudeau getting elected. If they come here they will realize everyone is casually racist, sexist, homophobic. I mean we all get along, but that sjw shit doesnt fly here.
>>77144911
>Free healthcare
>Sit and wait for hours - months depending on your issue
Yeah okay
>>77143277
Not true. In these statistics gang violence is considered a mass shooting if more than 3 people were killed. Blacks and spics make up the majority of "mass shootings."
>>77149916
Whoops wrong link
http://m.jiv.sagepub.com/content/27/12/2303.abstract
>>77149918
>Price of freedom
No it isn't.
Gun have zero correlation to murder and crime.
There is no cost to having your right o keep and bear arms intact.
See
>>77149242
Harvard study detailing how gun control is counter productive and a waste of valuable police resources
http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
>>77149847
Why are you mentioning the gun show thing again?
The scenario at a gun show you are describing is people meeting at gun shows making private deals, not the FFLs selling guns from booths that are licensed (and need to perform background checks)
In canada it is perfectly legal to privately sell a firearm to another person so long as they are licensed
If you sell to an unlicensed person it's illegal, just like if you were to sell privately to someone with a weapons ban in the US without checking
In both scenarios it is illegal to sell to someone who isn't allowed to have guns and there are punishments
The only difference is it's easier for us to determine who is and isn't allowed to have guns by checking their PAL
>>77139664
>mass shootings
>mass
Why do people think one death means a mass shooting
Also almost all of the "mass" shootings are committed by minorities. Hmm...
>>77150122
Had lymphoma.
Had to wait months to see the hematologist specialist at the university. Then another month to begin treatment.
Told the story on here before, liberals just call me a liar and a shill, LOL
>>77143277
>gets shot for being gay
>so much freedom
It's the muslims freedom to kill, you bigot!
>>77150175
>The only difference is it's easier for us to determine who is and isn't allowed to have guns by checking their PAL
There ya go, that wasn't hard was it?
It's because there are far less Canadians than there are Americans desu senpai. With them importing towelheads en masse, we will see a few more of these occurences in the future.
>mass shooting
Define "mass" please. We don't deny the daily nigger shooting of other groups of niggers.
>>77144911
Freedom doesn't involve free healthcare. Fuck off leaf
>>77139664
How many drive by apologies have there been?
>>77150332
That's not what we were arguing though, you have been saying that people set up booths at gun shows and sell guns willy nilly to everyone
Like how you keep mentioning this "gun show loophole"
It's the same fucking thing, there is no requirement you confirm they actually have a pal, you could just take their word for it
It sounds to me like you're saying it's legal for people to privately sell guns to felons, when it isn't
>>77150332
>There ya go, that wasn't hard was it?
>Have to ensure in Canada you aren't selling to a prohibited person
>Have to ensure you aren't selling to a prohibited person in America
>Thinking gun shows are an issue when less than 1% of criminals obtained firearms from the before background checks were required by anyone to sell guns
>>77139664
Canada let's you fuck animals, America doesn't.
Makes you think huh?
>>77150497
>It sounds to me like you're saying it's legal for people to privately sell guns to felons, when it isn't
Considering people like Hillary Clinton say dumb shot like "it needs to be a Federal crime to traffic guns across state lines" when it has been since 1967 yes he probably is that retarded.
If antigunners knew what they were talking about they wouldn't be antigun
>>77142034
Blacks do most of the shootings. You just don't hear about them because its black on black murder and there's nothing new about that
>>77149658
Are you truly this retarded?
>10 year old kid wants to fuck 50 year old
>hurrr duhhh muh budy muh choice
My body my choices doesn't give you carte blanche to do what ever you want. There are situations where people are deemed to be incompetent or unable to take decisions, such as kids when it comes to intercourse or depressed people when it comes to ending their lives. Those rule are in place to prevent those people from being harmed. My body my choice is just a slogan used to be able to take decisions which would benefit you, such as not having kids because you cannot support them or don't have the time. it has nothing to do with actually doing what ever the fuck you want with your own body. Another example would be prostitution
>>77150497
What I was saying is in Canada background checks are required. In America in some cases they aren't.
And you admitted I was right
Pretty sure federal security contractors in Canada have access to guns.
>>77149728
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but here in canada euthanasia is highly regulated and only allowed in terminally ill patients and only after a psychiatric evaluation.
>>77150787
How would a retarded faggot like you know?
>>77140692
worked in paris
>>77141110
>>77141325
White murder rate per capita is the same.
>>77150684
He's not anti gun though, seems he has his gun license given his knowledge of our gun laws
>>77150779
You're not required to check someones credentials when you sell them a gun privately here
>>77145871
>This is a list of national birds, most official, but some unofficial.
>>77150779
>. In America in some cases they aren't.
No you said they aren't required at gun shows which is almost entirely wrong and a non issue either way since criminals dont get their guns from gun shows even when background checks weren't required by anyone.
"Private sales" aren't a loophole it is a legally protected Federal right that the antigunners agreed to not infringe upon in the 90s.
Btw you ignoring this information repeatedly doesn't make you less wrong
See
>>77150170
>>77149242
And stop supporting an idea that has more evidence against it than climate change denial>>77150946
>He's not anti gun though, seems he has his gun license given his knowledge of our gun laws
We call them fudds here
They are all for any level of gun control so long as they get to keep their duur rafles
>>77150824
You didn't read my article.
There is a possibility of extending it to severe psychiatric treatment resistant conditions. Which will likely happen.
Mental illness does not equal mental incompetemcy. Euthansia should be allowed for severe treatment resistant depression.
http://m.jme.bmj.com/content/41/8/577.short
Get fucked faggot. It's my life and I was born without my consent and I will leave without it. I'm not a slave to you or anybody else.
>>77150745
Depression does not fall under this, retard.
>>77141106
REAL Americans threaten civil war if Hillary wins and for good reason.
Canada serves as a mild example of the terror of a Hillary presidency and I plan on moving (legally of course) to the United States of America when Donald Trump wins.
Trudeau is basically letting our country burn to the ground while he burns our money on fruitless endeavors.
Hillary will intentionally start the fire (figuratively. of course the actual "fire" is Islamic immigration) to destroy America while she throws more money at the fire to make it burn hotter while she pockets the rest.
>>77151402
>almost entirely wrong
lmao this qualifier
>>77150946
Uhhh yes you are, transferees must have a PAL
>>77139664
it's cause Americans, on average, have higher mass than anybody else on this planet.
>>77139664
Canada has 30 mil ppl
US has 300 mil ppl
US has more urbanization
It's really not a mystery.
>>77150824
>>77151457
>The criteria in [Carter] and the safeguards built into them are the result of the court’s careful balancing of important societal interests with a view to the Charter protections we all enjoy. Persons with a psychiatric illness are not explicitly or inferentially excluded if they fit the criteria."
>And in IJ v. Canada, the Ontario Superior Court agreed that the Carter criteria do not require the patient to be terminal.
>The legal and political issuee before Parliament now is whether it can/should attempt to restrict PAD to non-terminal patients, which would include patients who suffer solely from a psychiatric condition. The present state of law is that such patients may obtain PAD. In fact, the Court in EF explicitly authorized a psychiatric patient's assisted dying request under the Carter criteria. She had conversion disorder.
Again, Carter allows euthansia for severe treatment resistant psychiatric illnesses.
>hurr but ur depressed thus you are not mentall competent to consent to suicide
This is just false.
Again
http://m.jme.bmj.com/content/41/8/577.short
Love seeing you srgue against actualy bioethicists, psychiatrists and doctors which have ruled severely depressed patients to be competent to consent to euthansia.
My body, my choice leafchinknigger.
>>77149932
>The problem with that concept is we had 14 thousand murders in a country of 330 million people. It's a literal non issue.
Yes it is an issue you fucking cunt. Your crime rate is higher than most first world countries. and I'm not talking about the total amount but the amount/100k. You cannot blame it on niggers and spics, it's getting old. Give the niggers and spics a good education and a good environment to succeed and you'll see the crime rate drop.
What other fucking first world country has an organization such as the fucking KKK. For fuck sake, the black problem is due to years of neglect from the republicans and democrats alike. Get your head out of your ass and start reforming your laws. There is a reason why most people in jail and in poverty are blacks, and it has nothing to do with IQ. It has to do with the fact that black kids grow up in a toxic environment, where they are forced to live on fucking food stamps and going to the shittiest underfunded public schools in the world, all while having barely any access to healthcare.
The poor education and living condition along constant discrimination causes higher crime rates among those people, add to that the jailing of poor people because they can't pay fucking parking tickets, and you just managed to turn black people into niggers.
It is literally the environment that turns them into niggers. Same way that an arab born in a muslim family will turn up fucked up. It is the years of brainwashing and poor living conditions that creates criminals.
>>77151673
>lmao this qualifier
The "gun show loophole" is as retarded as saying that there is a "car show loophole" because private sellers at car shows dont have to have a car dealership license to sell there.
All ffls have to runa. Background check at gun shows and in most states private sellers do as well.
And for the umpteenth time
.7% of criminals got their firearms from gun shows before even ffl holders had to run background checks.
Gunshots aren't and have never been an issue
>>77151673
>transferees
Do you live in quebec? the rest of us don't have a registry for long guns so a private sale usually consists of "hey can i see your pal"
"ok here you go"
>>77151989
The nigger homicide rate is much higher in Canada than whites. Niggers still commit more crime in Canada than whites.
>b-but its all the enivorment
Top kek
>>77144911
You realize your taxes are SO much higher than the USA is because your "free healthcare " if you even think for a second that it's free you are a fucking idiot
>>77151998
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/sell-vendre-eng.htm
You truly are clueless about this, do you even own a gun?
>>77146831
Ever since that damn obama phone program.
Port Huron here. Canada is great. Gotta remember Canuck bros, America is like 4 countries in 1. Just nuke the south, the lower half of the Midwest, and every urban metro city and we would be even in those gun stats.
>>77152162
>no source
top kek
>chinknadians ignore the study that shows gun control did jack shit in canada
http://m.jiv.sagepub.com/content/27/12/2303.abstract
>>77152374
Yes I own guns.
Not sure why you have to be such an asshole about everything and keep name calling.
>Transfers of non-restricted firearms can be conducted without contacting the CFP, as registration is no longer required for this class of firearm.
>>77139664
Canadians lives aren't worth the cost of ammo
>>77151989
>You cannot blame it on niggers and spics,
Bullshit I can't blame it on the niggers and spics, they're the ones doing it all.
>What other fucking first world country has an organization such as the fucking KKK
What the fuck does the kkk have to do with anything? They haven't done shit in decades. Also, the KKK was in canada too you fucking moron.
>going to the shittiest underfunded public school
Literal bullshit. The government dumps millions of dollars into nigger schools and bends over backwards trying to get them to do well and it doesn't fucking help.
>It is literally the environment that turns them into niggers. Same way that an arab born in a muslim family will turn up fucked up. It is the years of brainwashing and poor living conditions that creates criminals.
Blacks act exactly the same everywhere. Same with spics and arabs.
>>77151989
>What other fucking first world country has an organization such as the fucking KKK
>The KKK
>Not 50 members 37 of which are undercover Federal agents
Link related
Poverty and access to education has almost zero correlation by rave regarding crime rates.
Poor uneducated whites commit significantly less crime than blacks.
The issue lies in the destruction of the family unit which is almost soley due to Democrat party welfare policies(that were targeted Specifically at blacks) which is why you see the worst crime in Democrat hell hole cities.
This destruction of the black family unit was unseen up until the late sixties when welfare took hold and if you try and pull a "less systematic racism" in the 50s and prior you're a god damn faggoy.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime
>>77152499
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/31/toronto-star-laments-lack-of-racial-crime-data-it-helped-purge-decades-ago/
>In 1989, Julian Fantino, then police head of the division, told the Committee on Community, Race, and Ethnic Relations of the former city of North York (which was amalgamated with five other municipalities and Toronto in 1998) that black people were largely overrepresented in in the commission of crime. While composing only 6% of the population of the area at the time, black people accounted for 82% of robberies and muggings, 55% of purse-snatchings, and 51% of drug offenses in the previous year, according to Fantino’s statistics.
Get fucked leftist bitch
>>77152559
we never had much of a gun culture to begin with
>>77152616
>The transferor is nevertheless required to verify that the transferee has a valid PAL.
>>77152559
It worked pretty good here too
>>77148384
A bunch of jamals shot eachother and it gets counted as a mass shooting by our friends on the left.
PS Trini food is the best
>muh guns == freedom
meanwhile patriot act was a thing in america, wich basically suspends civil liberties
>>77152854
Yes, just like how you're supposed to know the person you're selling to isn't a felon
Both are crimes of negligence
That's why I don't see the two as drastically different, in the US the seller is expected to not sell to a felon, just like we are expected to not sell to an unlicensed person
>>77144911
>gay marriage
Not legal in Canada. Legal varies state to state in USA (how most laws should be handled)
>legal weed
Not legal in Canada unless medical. Recreational legal in three US States. Medically legal in most other states. Archaic federal law illegalizing it is ignored unless crossing state lines.
>freedom of religion
A constitutional right in US. Varies in Canada.
>free healthcare
Doesn't involve freedom at all.
>>77152741
> almost soley due to Democrat party welfare policies
source?
>>77153020
>People defend relentlessly one liberty after they have seen others taken away under their feet so the liberty they are defending doesn't count as a liberty
Die Commie faggot
>Implying leftist régimes over the last 100 years aren't responsible for the absolute most horrible violations of liberty
>>77153068
The drastic difference is the mechanism of licensing which enables the seller to ensure he isnt selling illegally to a much greater degree. Compared to background checks not being required.
>>77153244
>source?
>I don't want to read it so it isnt there
>I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
getting a gun in canada is the equivelent of getting registered on the sexual offender list, and then you get treated as a criminal while being monitored 24/7. But thats not the point, the average canuck is too fucking retarded to ever figure out that armed citizens are essential to a free republic
>>77152833
>breitbart
>1989
Holy shit, the only source you came up with is from breitbart, and statistics from 1989, 27 years old.
Most crimes in canada are commited by natives, which happen to be living in the shittiest conditions. Try again faggot.
>>77139664
>has less people
>has smaller population density
>has more white people
>has less of a class divide
>there is less gun crime
WOW, REALLY MAKES YOU THINK
>>77153278
>>Implying leftist régimes over the last 100 years aren't responsible for the absolute most horrible violations of liberty
>others did it, so i can do it, haha
> have seen others taken away under their feet
Such as?
>>77153354
>implying americans aren't slaves right now...
>>77139664
No, no it doesn't. It's a cultural thing, it's ALWAYS been a cultural thing.
Banning guns doesn't magically make them go away, it just means innocent people can't have them to defend themselves from those who would get them illegally. Do you honestly think somebody who intends on committing murder would be stopped by the fact that having a gun is against the law? Do you think gun laws meant shit to the individuals that shot up Paris?
Did Timothy McVeigh need guns to kill people? Did the 9/11 hijackers?
>>77153450
restricted yes
non restricted no
>>77153478
And nigers are overepresented in crime too.
Thanks to the toronto star, statistics on this are banned now.
Niggers commit more crime than whites in the US, UK and Canada.
More gibs won't help you retard.
>>77153415
And yet you have utterly ignored
>>77151995
>>77150170
>>77149538
>>77149242
Maybe this lefty fag can explain it in words you'll understand
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J_b3HlKy4pY
>>77153244
Welfare has subsidized single motherhood and fatherlessness and it's among the main reasons why blacks have fewer intact families today than they did in the 1960s.
>>77153415
Sure, but like I already said, that wasn't the argument.
We weren't arguing whether or not the US should adopt a licensing system, we're arguing about people improperly referring to it as a "loophole" because it implies you can legally sell guns to people who aren't allowed to have them, when in fact you are breaking the law
There is no legal requirement for you to call in the persons pal number, if you are confident they have a pal, just like there is no legal requirement to check someones criminal background, but if you are negligent in this and do sell to someone who isn't allowed firearms you are committing a crime
The way you are framing it is to imply it's illegal to not have called in the person PAL to verify
i.e. the act of selling to someone who isn't allowed guns is the crime, it doesn't matter how you got there
>>77148979
>You can't at a gun show and aren't even required to do
Yeah you are required.
Its ignorance like this which plagues the gun debate.
>>77153585
> >others did it, so i can do it, haha
I'm not defending it but a leftist complaining about a violation of liberty that is extremely minor compared to tue normal violations of liberty of even them least tyrannical leftist régimes is beyond ironic.
>Such as?
Now you're just shitposting considering you yourself listed the patriot act as one example.
>>77153438
>I don't want to read it so it isnt there
>trust me, i'm a anon on 4chan bro
Again, i want a source, or i can dismiss your claim as a balloney made by a tinfoil retard
>>77153565
The difference is not that small, bro
>>77139664
Canada has also been on fire for months
>>77153800
>moving the goalposts
>again
We've already established I was right, let it go
>>77153020
>lefty/pol/
>anti-gun
you are disgrace to the left, I bet you think that SJW are actually revolutionary and not just controlled opposition.
You can't even compare Canada or apply the same rules of this country with the states though, Canada is a tiny socialist state with a government that exists primarily to cuck its citizens, while it gets free military protection from the US. the usa on the other hand is the equivelilent to the Roman Empire. Canadians are just a bunch of freeloaders and need to be stamped out from existance
>>77153934
No, we didn't
You have been wrong this whole time by repeatedly mentioning "gun show loopholes"
It's illegal to sell a gun to someone who is barred from firearms. Period.
You keep acting as if it's legal by calling it a "loophole"
By that logic you could refer to any crime as a "loophole" around the law
>>77153648
nope any type of gun will get you under surveillance
>>77153906
>Again, i want a source, or i can dismiss your claim as a balloney made by a tinfoil retard
You're ignoring the source that isn't my problem fag
>>77153697
>Welfare has subsidized single motherhood and fatherlessness and it's among the main reasons why blacks have fewer intact families today than they did in the 1960s.
Source for this outrageous claim?
>>77153884
>a leftist
am i?
and what makes you think that socialism is equal to totalitarianism?
The patriot act was not renewed. It's just history right now
>>77143277
Guns are meant to destroy one particular spot very quickly, it makes no difference to the gun what it is.
>>77154023
>>anti-gun
I'm not anti gun. I am pro gun. A rifle in a working class family house represents power.
But guns should not be sold to fucking lunatics.
>>77154023
>you are disgrace to the left
The left has alqays been antigun to anyone who isn't themselves.
Just liek how in the USSR you had freedom of speech so long as everything you said agreed with what the government did
>>77154295
what source?
>>77154350
armenians have this habit, iirc.
even redpilled Jews support gun rights you libtard cucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE0Z2k6BJI0
>>77154323
>The patriot act was not renewed. It's just history right now
The patriot act was replaced with something just as bad with very little to no public support
>Leftist talking about shit it doesn't understand
Meanwhile water is wet
>>77154577
>what source
The one's in the original post you replied to.
The again I forgot leftist cannot see anything that does t agree with them
>>77154490
>The left has alqays been antigun
source?
I mean, i always see outrageous claims be made here. But very few sources are shown
>USSR you had freedom of speech
You didn't. Football players couldn't complaint with reffere decisions becasue it was seen as defiance to authority. USSR didn't had freedom of speach
>>77154481
>Im.progun but
No you're not.
>>77154657
>The patriot act was replaced with something just as bad with very little to no public support
apparently you are right.
lol, muh fredumbs.
>>77154835
>the left has always been antigun
This dude is a retard. The left has been progun plenty of times, usually when they use them to kill their civilians.
>>77154835
>source
Bame me one leftist nation that protected the individual's right to keep and bear arms and not just selected groups.
> You didn't. Football players couldn't complaint with reffere decisions becasue it was seen as defiance to authority. USSR didn't had freedom of speach
The ussr Constitution declared freedom of speech a protected right
But of course in typical leftist fashion that only covers things that don't go agaisnt the left.
>>77154323
>Source for this outrageous claim?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaFUk7g6W4U
>>77139664
Theres more mexicans and black people in the US than the entire population of Canada. Of course were more violent
>>77153354
Kek, why is there Guns N’ Roses’ Use Your Illusion 1 Album on the right?
>>77155072
>apparently you are right.
>lol, muh fredumbs.
Spain has equal to worse violation of what is known as the 4th amendment almost no right to keep and bear arms and limited freedom of speech in the form of hate speech laws.
Pot meet kettle etx
>>77154753
So you are expeting me to read that thing to look for something to support your claims? That thing is huge and i won't spend a hour into it
And that 2nd source. It's like i presented a source of why communism is good directly from Pravda or Reddit/communism
>>77154864
So you know better my opinions then me? Well, whatever suits your strawmen
>"lefties" are what RNC and Fox News tell me they are
>>77154481
>But guns should not be sold to fucking lunatics.
I agree, as long as the definition of lunatic isn't "everyone that disagrees with me".
>>77155595
>So you are expeting me to read that thing to look for something to support your claims? That thing is huge and i won't spend a hour into it
>I don't want to read something so therefore it is by default false
Nice willful ignorance.
> So you know better my opinions then me? Well, whatever suits your strawmen
No
Anyone saying they're "progun but..." isn't progun because they're supporting in the same breath the restriction of the right to keep and bear arms.
"Lunatics" is a meaningless word in the realm political power of any form and translates to "anyone who opposes those in power".
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