>/pol/ right now
False equivalency, retard. You can't compare owning an object to an ideology.
how about i smash both of them you retard
>>77106111
Do gun owners follow a death cult hand book?
>>77106111
fucking both should be banned
islam is cancer fucking worst religion on earth
get rid of all guns like Australia did, yeah its gonna suck for a while and lots of NRA faggots are gonna die defending muh guns but I'd rather deal with mass stabbings of 2 - 3 people than 50 fucking people
>>77106111
>correlation
>causation
Can /pol/ tell the difference?
>>77106111
Most of us, at least in words if not deeds prefer all white societies. If we must have a religion in said society, Christianity is the best choice due to it's popularity among whites.
The Money Printers need cheap brown labor though, so white people, Christian or otherwise, must not be allowed to have exclusive communities.
Use your free speech while you still have it.
>>77106111
Ban the shooter not the gun.
>>77106238
Yes you can
>>77106308
Some do. Same with muslims
>>77106517
Why don't you leave the USA for Australia than you fucking faggot cunt. Try Melbourne.
>>77106238
People owns guns because of their ideology, retard.
>>77106308
yes
>>77106804
>Melbourne
>>77106111
>a few
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Guns are an essential part of maintaining our free democracy
Muslims are not
>>77106111
change an amendment
or
change laws of survelliance of muslims
>>77106884
"If something tries to kill me or take my shit I'll put them down" not a bad ideology unless you wanna get robbed or killed you fucking idiot
Wheres the problem?
Just ban all muslims, dont ban guns
>>77106111
>muslims use car bombs
time to ban assault cars everyone
>>77106111
and it still ends up with question into which one protects me
the gun or a muslim
>>77106804
Careful everyone, he might try to stab us!
But I'm not banning all Muslims. I want to tighten the filter.
>>77106111
> A FEW of them are terrorists
Radical Islam has seen a rapid rise in the past few years, trust me. It's not just a "Few". Europe's current state should be a testament to that.
can someone post some charts that show that Islam wants us all dead
I need it to bait people on facebook
>>77106111
We want to ban muslims idiot, thats totally legal. Banning muslims from owning guns isnt, however, having the FBI deny permission to muslims who admit to believing death is the punishment for apostates, which is almost all of them, is legal.
>>77107033
Muh muh constitution
People who say owning guns prevent government tyranny are fucking retarded
>>77106111
>few of them are terrorists
Do libshits actually believe this?
If all guns owners got on their knees and prayed it might be a valid comparison.
>a few
>>77107336
>Europe is under islamic invasion
nice meme
>>77107453
You should try emigrating faggot.
>>77107239
Lmao holy fuck the idea of a Muslim offering protection from anything except happiness, freedom and well-being is completely alien to me. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but a whole fuckload of them sure are.
>>77106111
Ban muslim immigration
>>77106111
>a Muslim with a gun killed people
>a gun without a Muslim didn't kill people
Seems like a pretty easy issue.
>>77106111
>"A few of them"
>>77107509
Of course it's Sven who can't see the threat because nigger cum is covering his eyes.
>>77106111
It can apply to liberals too you know, you vile little troll.
> ban all gun owners because a few of them shoot people
> you can't ban muslims just because a few of them commit mass shootings
>>77106111
Islam is pure fucking garbage plain and simple. Its origins, its followers, its ideology, its teachings, its censoring, its endgame (sharia law), every last thing about it is fucking terrible.
As far as I am concerned, Terrorism is just the icing on the cake
>>77107509
Sweden YES!
>>77106111
Press both simultaneously
>>77106111
kek good one, polfags literally on damage control
>>77106111
Looking for my earlier reply ...
Oh, you just restarted the same damn thread with the exact same words and the exact same picture.
>>77107704
Kek OP didn't think that one through
>>77106764
says the paki
>>77106111
Ban Dems ... the ones who commit the crimes.
>>77106111
No, you comparison is retarded.
Muslims kill gays because they are muslims and their faith tell them to kill gays.
Guns are just tools people use it to kill.
In islamic countries you can hear people saying
>We killed those gays because they are gays and its wrong to us, muslims!
And you will never hear.
>I killed those people because I own a gun and owning one means that i have to kill people!
If he couldn't get a gun legally he'd get it illegally and if he still didn't get it he would use something else.
Gun is just a tool you use, its not a ideology and "Gun owners" is not a group like "Muslims"
It's like saying that all mass shooters were having their shoes on at the time so we should ban all shoes.
>>77106517
Faggot. You act like you're the one that got shot. Shut the fuck up. Anyone who would trade freedom for more security deserves neither.
2 mass-shootings committed by Muslims within a 6 month time period.
San Bernardino - 14
Orlando - 50
>>77106111
nice reddit maymay.
you have to go back though
>>77106884
The ideology of wanting to own a gun?
Let's use exclusive logic.
There are nonMuslims that have perpetrated mass shootings. There are not nongun owners that have perpetrated mass shootings.
>>77107453
>said from the most free nation in the free world
You trolling mate?
>>77106111
not all gun owners are terrorists
all terrorists are muslims
kill yourself
>>77106795
All Muslims follow a death cult
>>77107955
America isn't the most free nation on earth.
You're thinking of Estonia.
We're like top 7.
>>77107153
Leftists believe in surrendering and hoping for mercy if someone breaks into their home. They don't stop there either, they actively despise anyone who doesn't want to be a spineless cuck when confronted with theft and violence.
>>77106111
Without guns the jihadis would still be cutting the heads off gays and throwing them off buildings, or making bombs to kill them with.
It's like you think they'd just stop if they couldn't get a gun.
Even if that were true there's no fucking way for you to stop them from getting weapons. Europe can't stop them. It's not legal weapons they're getting here either, so what good would your laws do?
The US has hundreds of millions of firearms already. It's impossible to make them disappear. Even if you had a blanket ban on guns, which will never happen, the existing ones will last a couple of centuries (given that there are WWI era weapons being sold and operated today).
Eat shit.
>>77106111
It's not about assigning blame to group of people or not, it's about what would happen depending on what you choose.
Ban all guns and you might get more crimes. Look at happened in those liberal-run hellholes of Oakland, Chicago, Detroit, DC...
Get rid of all Muslims and you have no downsides (except for the Muslims who have to go back to their desert), crime goes down, female genital mutilation goes down, inter-community tensions go down, no more terrorist bullshit and so on.
So you can't solve the gun problem easily, but you can solve the Muslim problem easily enough if you're will to do what it takes.
>>77107602
Is it a hate crime if I post this image on facebook?
Not sure how the gun control debate even applies considering Omar was a licensed security guard and all. None of the proposed regs would even apply to someone like that.
>>77106739
>we must have religion in society
What a meme
>>77106111
>BAN ALL MUSLIMS BECAUSE A FEW OF THEM ARE TERRORISTS
it occurs to me to ponder over the material of which that artificial man is constructed
>>77106111
Lol doesn't want to ban Muslims because they might be terrorists but because terrorists are all Muslims and Islam is evil
Guns are morally neutral objects and terrorism is moral evil
Fuckoff
>>77108099
>not all gun owners are terrorists
>not all muslims are terrorists
>all terrorists are gun-owning muslims
>>77106111
He didn't kill 49 gays because he loved guns and wanted to claim souls for NRA god.
>>77108232
>inter-community tensions go down
There have been 32 seasons of Survivor that all prove exile policies only increase group tensions.
>>77106111
>gun owners anywhere near the level of mental dysfunction as muslims
Give me one example of a crazy gun owner doing bad
Just one
>>77108310
The answer is to stop using Facebook.
>>77106111
All muslims follow a pedophile, rapist and murderer and see him as the perfect human being.
Most of guns owners don't.
>>77108340
>None of the proposed regs would even apply to someone like that.
Other than the one that says getting on a no fly list causes you to lose 2nd amendment rights.
Dude was interviewed by the FBI 3 times and investigated twice. Clearly the problem isn't a lack of police presence in Muslim communities.
>>77108472
>exile
how would sending Muslims away forever increase tensions between the remaining people? The mudshits would be out and for good. Oh sure, they might be angry, but at least they'll go blow themselves up somewhere else for a change.
Banning Muslims is much easier than banning all guns
There's about 80 times more gun owners than there are Muslims
>>77107584
>a gun with a non-Muslim killed people before
The issue complicates
>>77107866
>Anyone who would trade freedom for more security deserves neither.
>quoting a 300 year-dead slave owner on freedom
>in an argument about a world where assault rifles fire 13 rounds a second and whites are now a minority
You sure sound deep right about now, anon.
>>77108718
who's next?
>>77108310
People will tell you your source is invalid without reading it.
Then they'll tell you that 1000 people is too small a sample to use to make such assumptions, even though the margins of error are even included in the image while much smaller polls are taken as faith on other issues.
>>77106111
>> Implying drug cartels will not smuggle guns into US because of the ban.
>>Implying you will not create a black market of guns without any kind of restriction.
>>Implying you cannot find a middle point and create more restrictions.
>>Implying that a terrorist, willing to kill himself with 49 people will be stop if US ban guns.
>>Implying Paris and Belgium attacks
>>Implying Guns and Islam are the same thing.
>>77108920
Spics, then later niggers and Jews.
>>77108961
How is the margin of error calculated?
One side is American. The other side is Islamic.
Pick your side carefully
>>77106111
How about
> you should be openly suspicious to both gun owners and muslims, but don't ban any of them
>>77107655
Someone make an image with this
>>77108472
It's more tense because if somebody is eliminated then that contestant is more likely to get send home at the next meeting.
No community is going to get more tense from getting rid of a problem
This isn't a fucking game show m8
>>77109019
>> Implying drug cartels will not smuggle guns into US because of the ban.
They get about 90% of their guns from the USA
It'd be a trickle.
>>Implying you will not create a black market of guns without any kind of restriction.
There's already a grey market. At least you could prosecute people dealing on a black market.
>>77106111
Mudslimes being citizens isn't protected under the constitution.
>>77109265
>This isn't a fucking game show m8
Trump's the Republican nominee; bullshit it isn't.
>>77106308
>he doesn't know about the /k/ube
>>77106111
FOREIGN MUSLIMS ARE NOT PROTECTED BY THE BILL OF RIGHTS YOU FUCKING BRITISH ACHMED
>>77109223
whoa whoa hol up, who told you to be reasonable, dis america!
>>77106764
Well you can I guess, just like how you can be retarded. The better question is will you be that retarded?
>>77106517
Take all your doors off your frames.
Like, you're seriously such a racist fucking nut for locking your doors. Imagine all the freezing children outside you're condemning to death by having locked doors when you sleep.
>liberals right now
>>77109584
>Islam is against freedom and peace
>lets bring them into a country aimed at freedom and peace (besides pic related)
>>77106111
Gun owners aren't obligated to read/follow book that tells them to kill others. In fact, when you're going through gun training to get a licence in country that doesn't have extreme freedoom or bans you get taught how to NOT kill innocent bystanders and yourself.
Also just look at the practice:
Everywhere where muslims go you get either beheadings, crime, rapes and other shit, or country turns into shit (where muslims are majority).
Not everywhere where you can get guns you get high gun crime, or crime in general. USA stands out because there's almost no, or complete lack of gun control which means no background check or mental condition test. Basically you should give guns to responsible, stable people, then guns are used in good cause like protecting others, controling animal population, entertainment.
Also by banning guns you fuck up only law abiding citizens. Criminals by definition don't obey law so they don't give a fuck about gun bans, they'll get guns anyway. They DO NOT buy guns in legit stores, they buy guns from black market, smuggle them from war torn countries or countries that had wars some years ago and are corrupt etc. That's because legit guns in civilized countries are registered etc so if you use legal gun, police almost instantly knows who is the shooter. If you use gun from black market, they have no clue and they have to actually find out who you are before physically finding you. And getting to know "who is this" is harder than getting to know "where is he". If you know identity, you can use wanted posters or use media and wait for calls. You can send info to every border check, airport, bank etc. You can set up roadblocks and make checks. If I wanted to commit a crime, why would I want to increase chances of me getting caught by using legal gun?
1/2
>>77106111
2 different things. As far as I know, guns don't go radical and commit mass murders.
>>77109724
Also gun is just a tool. If I won't have a gun, I can always kill with a knife or even brick. The gun isn't problem, but mentality. Gun is tool, Islam is ideology. Tool doesn't affect mentality, mentality affects tool. Ideoogy on the other hand affects mentality.
And for the last, guns can work as self defence, but more importantly they work as protection of others. That's because you can't be aware of all your surroundings 24/7. Even mini-tactical nuke in your pocket won't help you if someone suddenly smashes your head with a brick from behind your back. The difference is, if others see you in danger and they are armed, attacker doesn't stand a chance. The more guns law abiding citizens have, the bigger protection net above whole society is. Banning guns means lack of trust between you and your fellow citizens. But I'm not surprised you wouldn't trust others if every xth person you see is muslim + leftists are playing victims and having a gun means you aren't necessarily victim because you have higher chances of defending yourself.
And the most important question: if YOU got a gun, would you go on a rampage and shoot random people? No? Then why do you think your neighbour who has pretty much the same life as you would do otherwise?
Besides, if you wanted your gun ban to be effective, you'd have to close all firearms factories, destroy all the guns, both legal and illegal and prevent people from making their own guns by somehow banning materials or tools. The problem is you'd have to do it in the whole world because, for example in Paris, muslims got their weapons from abroad, former Yugoslavia or something. To achieve this you'd have to conquer all those poor muslims, asians, africans, basically colonize whole world to ensure your laws are global. Do you want to shoot all those "minorities" who don't want to give up on their guns?
2/2
>guns are banned here
>if snackbars were banned too the lindt shitshow never would have happened
ban everything fuck off we're full
>>77109717
"WHITE"
>>77107453
Put that dick back in your mouth
>>77107843
> would use something else.
Yeah something like a knife and then barely injury one person before getting knocked the fuck out.
>>77108123
Nope
>Comparing a murderous ideology to owning a weapon
>>77106111
Not a problem for me.I always said that guns are for people who train with them and not the general populace full of idiots who are very likely to accidentally injure themselves
>>77109717
>Gun murder
>Gun murder
>Gun murder
ffs
>>77106111
>>77109653
>Same ID
fuck off shitposter
>>77106308
Americans do. It's called the constitution.
>>77108696
>Other than the one that says getting on a no fly list causes you to lose 2nd amendment rights.
Are you actually advocating for the use of the no fly list as a work around to the premise of innocent until proven guilty? You do understand there is no way to check if anyone is on the no fly list and no legal measures to remove yourself right? You don't even have to commit a crime, simply having the same name as someone else could place you on the list.
>>77109223
guns are not the problem
muslims with guns are the problem
fuck off to reddit faggot
>>77107932
>Wielding a gun means you own that gun
You fucked it up m8.
>>77106111
So why can't i click both? They're not mutually exclusive in the slightest.
Fucking retard.
>>77110104
>equally representing the sides with no bias
>"shitposter"
how rude
>>77106308
AVE NEX ALEA
>>77107509
you're so cucked you need Norwegian documentary makers to get the truth out
hopp i havet Sven
>>77110265
Keep telling yourself that
>>77110248
So you're saying that muslims with guns are suspicious and christians with guns are not?
>>77107033
How?
>>77110442
Nothing personal, kid.
>>77110273
Reacting to this:
>>77110104
Not to this:
>>77109724
>>77109754
Yes you are.
>>77106111
>a few Muslims are terrorists
Biggest understatement in the history of earth
>>77109717
>>77109884
WHITE
>>77109981
Fuck off you paki cunt
>>77107866
Where do I apply for the freedom to not be shot?
>>77110662
>literally first sentence
>Gun owners aren't obligated to read/follow book that tells them to kill others.
>implying Muslims are
>reading further than that first sentence a post that starts from a false premise
I don't think so
>>77108144
>Estonia
free of cavities, maybe
>>77110904
Right next to your tomb of the unknown soldier or your parliament
>>77109305
Implying what you are saying is true, the military and the police in Mexico is corrupt.
If they can make enough money out of guns they will make it a business.
There is already prosecution against people dealing with unregistered guns. What you will think that this will be effective?Is the drug market over just because is illegal?
>>77109717
kek, now show the one with the total murder rate, with also the white-only category
>>77106111
>guns
STOP PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE.
It should be Islam or gays, you CANNOT have both.
>>77106238
I give a 9.0 on those mental gymnastics
>>77111476
Explain the ideology of owning a firearm
Why do all the liberals and SJW act that they can live peacefully with islam side by side. If (probably at this point when) the muslim population hits over 50% the gays are fucking shot and hanged. All of them know this but can't face the truth.
>>77109981
>Quran literally states those that die spreading the word of Muhammad are entitled to free entry to heaven
>>77112064
>>77106111
>ban all men with beards because charles manson had one
>ban all beards because men have them
>ban all people who ever ate bread
>ban bread that kills people
this is what you re arguing
>>77112183
>there is only one interpretation of quran
>>77106111
wow i just can't even, there are over 320 million guns in america and if they wanted you dead you'd know it!!!!!
>>77112568
>Deliberately mistranslate the quran so you can claim it's peaceful
>It's okay kufifirs, you're just reading it wrong! Muslims are peaceful!
>>77112064
yeah and the dumb feminist cunts will be put in burqas and not allowed to leave their homes without a male guardian
fucking lol, i love poetic justice
>>77111802
Conservatism
Status Quo
Whatever the fuck you want to call it
>>77112495
>>this is what you re arguing
Nope, you are trying to ban all bread because some of it kills people
>>77106517
>people
I think you meant fags
>>77112725
It's not me who's translating it, there simply are Muslims who adhere to different interpretations of the quran that don't involve killing.
If Muslims were as violent as American gun owners they would unironically be a religion of peace.
>>77112960
Shame about the vast majority that subscribe to the death cult eh?
>>77112840
>muh conservative boogyman
Thanks for proving that grabbers have no clue who they're talking about.
>only hateful christian conservatives would want to defend themselves/engage in recreational shooting/hunt etc
>>77107655
yeah, this should deter you from identifying as either. Taking hard line, extreme stances on complex issues is stupid.
>>77109918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37XiSn81oFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JA-EY5nr34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeOm1XrleP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rpakeDVx6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjdJYRM0YJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikn5cHRPJiI
Here are your brave citizens jumping in in the range of a knife. And police doesn't have magic portals. They need time to come to the scene.
If a knife attack happened, you aren't getting anywhere near. You'd either stand in shock or run away, just like most people. Self preservation instinct isn't stupid. It knows that if you are unarmed and someone has a knife, you have smaller chances. If you had a gun on the other hand, you don't have to come close, which is always big factor. Having a superior weapon always makes you more more brave. Propose any hunter hunting lion with a knife. No one will be interested. Then propose hunting lion with a rifle. You'll find tons of people agreeing.
>>77113050
Quite a shame indeed, but according to >>77107602 there doesn't seem to be a vast majority subscribing to the death cult
>>77113089
I don't think you're interpreting what I said very well.
If you and everyone else around you didn't have a gun, the only reason to want one would be because of status quo.
>>77106111
Muslims don't really belong in this nation.
>>77106308
>Do gun owners follow a death cult hand book?
no more than the rest of America
>>77106884
is mayonnaise an ideology?
>>77113254
>2/3rds support Sharia law
>Sharia proscribes crucifixion for blasphemy
but it's not a death cult
So if I were to change my stance on just one of those two it would be okay?
Great, I'll accept background checks for guns if you remove every single muslim from the united states.
Sounds like a good compromise for our safety, no?
>>77109550
>>77110154
>>77110284
>>77113287
Is this an elaborate samefag or something
>>77113211
Point is that guns enable potential killers to kill a high number of people with more ease than knifes do
>>77106111
How about when the two overlap?
Luike, say, ban all mudslime gun owners?
>>77107509
>flag
pottery
>>77113374
>Sharia law is frequently misunderstood as a draconian criminal justice system governing Muslims. It is instead a broad code of conduct governing all aspects of life - from dietary rules to the wearing of the hijab - which Muslims can choose to adopt in varying degrees as a matter of personal conscience.
>>77113552
How about ban all mudslimes AND gun owners?
>>77113469
So does fertilizer and diesel, yet I can buy both in large quantities without any suspicion. ANFO is significantly more dangerous than firearms are, yet much more available because gun legislation is based on emotional kneejerk reactions instead of logic
>>77113599
>Law
>Can choose to adopt in varying degrees
Tell that to Afghanistan and Tajikstan
>>77106111
>Implying I want to "ban" shitskins from Yurop and would advise the same for every white and honorary white nation bc some Afghani fuck shot a few faggots in Orlando, FL.
>>77113689
>ANFO is significantly more dangerous than firearms are, yet much more available because gun legislation
Yet it seems like guns are the vastly more popular choice for murderers?
>>77109981
then they aren't muslims they just pretend to be.
>>77112840
>>77111476
>>77106884
>>77106764
>you own a tool because of an ideology
>you own a car because of an ideology
>you own a lock on your door because of an ideology
You do realize that all gun owners don't belong to the same ideology, right? That there's multiple reasons for owning a weapon?
>>77107453
Tell that to the Soviet Union, buddy.
>>77106111
The difference is that guns for self-defense save multiple amount of those who get killed by legal weapons, the net contribution to society is positive. While muslims contribute nothing to western world.
/thread
>>77113904
There's multiple ideologies within the religion of Islam too
>>77106111
gun owners aren't an political social and religious ideology
>>77113880
Guns are a lot more personal and precise, an ANFO bomb just blows shit up. The current high score terrorists all used bombs though
>>77108914
>blacks will give up guns
>people that commit crimes will willingly give up the means to commit crime
found the kangajew
>>77110154
You have to go back Pedro.
>>77113917
>adds /thread to top off his own shitty rebuttal
kek
>>77109305
because our retarded administration gave them weapons you dumb homo faggot. the same administration that advocates for law abiding citizens not to have guns knowingly sold guns to mexico
>>77108914
>>quoting a 300 year-dead slave owner on freedom
kewl ad hominen bruh
>"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." - George Washington
>"Quoting a 300 year-dead slave owner on freedom? In a world where assault tweets fire 13 shitposts a minute and whites are now a minority? What an idiot!"
>>77113469
Point is, banning guns won't solve the problem of gun crime because criminals don't give a shit about law and bans and get guns from black market anyway.
Point is legal guns decrease number of people killed by killer because citizens are at the scene instantly, unlike policemen who need time to get there, and can take the killer out with their "law abiding" guns.
Just give up, ahmed, pajeet or any other sandnigger t*rkroach.
>>77106111
Banning muslims would fix the terrorism problem, banning guns would NOT fix the mass shooting problem.
>Daily reminder that schools and gay nightclubs are already gun free zones
>>77106111
Kek
>>77114017
The difference is that owning a gun isn't an ideology in itself. Being a Muslim is - it doesn't matter if your ideology differs slightly, you're still under the umbrella ideology of Islam.
>>77107453
>people who say owning guns prevent government tyranny are fucking retarded
Like the founding fathers?
>>77108472
But that tension exists because every time you kick someone off, you increase the statistical probability someone will kick you off.
If we ban muzzies and build the wall, they are powerless
>>77106111
kek.
nationwide magazine capacity restrictions incoming
>>77109918
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966
>>77106747
Tha man knows
>>77107866
>Choosing the freedom to get shot
MURRIIIICAAAAA
>>77107453
The founding fathers were stoopid: the post
>>77106517
>People own tools, because of their ideology,retards.
>>77107620
serbs be alchies a lot
>>77108459
you are right, it's much easier to forbid muslims to own guns
oh wait
>>77113326
Underrated.
>>77106111
Rand Paul's solution of banning immigrants and refugees from the Middle East due to the current extreme violence in the area makes a lot more sense. It would still allow peaceful Muslims from civilized countries to immigrate and you're not isolating a massive group because of one of it's outcasts (Or you are welcoming a smaller group that wants to escape its larger group's extremity, depending on your views). That solution would help deal with the extremist version of Islam.
Guns don't really require a "solution" since there is no correlation between guns and murder rate. Most civilized countries that have banned guns (Ex: England) currently have roughly the same murder rate they had before their gun bans, maybe the slightest amount lower. Ireland and Jamaica have a higher murder rate than they had before their gun bans. Australia is one of the few countries that has limited firearm ownership and has seen a reasonable drop in their murder rate.
However, if it will get liberals to shut their mouths about gun ownership, a nationwide minimum of a 3 day waiting period and any improvements that can be made on background checks are reasonable things to put in place. However, banning "Assault Weapons" (Which has absolutely no solid definition and varies from politician to politician) will do absolutely no good. Especially since handguns are what cause the most deaths yearly in the US (Pic related)
You're more likely to get stabbed to death, hammered to death, or beat to death by someone's hands than to get shot by a rifle/shotgun.
The problem is conflicting cultures in states filled with multiculturalism. The freedom loving solution of most liberals and indpnts socially conflicts completely with the extremely religious sects that liberals want to bring into the country. Black and Latino gang culture conflicts with itself over territory and will only spread the larger you allow a black market to grow. Banning firearms will only increase violence in the US.
>>77106111
>noguns britcuck
>crying about americans being able to own guns
>>77108914
Go back to your no-guns country. We happen to have rights as a deterrent against hostile intention (self defense) as well as tyranny. Tienanmen Squares don't happen in countries with armed civilians.
>>77110904
At the gun store, where you purchase a gun to keep yourself from getting shot like a dog when something like this happens near you. You cannot be free of the possibility of violence, but you can have a right to defend yourself against violence.
ISIS has declared themselves to be an independent nation regardless of our recognition.
ISIS has also declared themselves to be the Islamic Caliphate with authority over Muslims worldwide regardless of nationality.
Therefore, all Muslims are part of ISIS with or without their consent.
If all Muslims are part of ISIS, a hostile enemy state, the President is authorized by the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to restrict the movements of any Muslim foreigners in the country or attempting to enter the country.
>>77106884
>rights are an ideology
>>77106111
So easy, ban muslims
>but but muh guns
look at France
>>77110154
2nd Amendment is a preventative measure against tyranny. Tyrants cannot execute great evils against the will of the populace if the populace can forcefully remove them with force. This is why every government on the face of the earth is for banning guns, because it keeps people in line. If you step out of line, well. Its the usual event that occurs when people without guns go against those who do.
>>77106111
how is this a tough question at all? ban muslims and kick mexicans out, non-whites have to go back, out of USA out, GIT
>>77115815
>"freedom to get shot"
you have that "freedom" everywhere you cannot carry arms for your own defense.
The "freedom from fear" is this lovely new age communist propaganda used to make people fearful for their security, and sacrifice their rights up onto the sacrificial pedestal of Government Control.
You want to be free from fear? You rule your own goddamn life. You arm yourself against the sticks and stones of the world with your own. You take PERSONAL responsibility for your own safety, as well as those who you love, and the community as a whole will be safer for it.
What do you think would happen in that club shooting if just 1/4th of those victims had been armed? Do you think that the shooter would have been able to lay waste to so many?
>>77120903
Don't be ridiculous. Immigration is good for the US, but the Wealthfare State has made it toxic for incoming citizens. Remove Socialism, repair the economy, create golden age.
>banning guns won't stop shootings
>banning muslims stops terrorist attacks
hmm......
>>77107453
Tell it to the kids in Tienanmen Square.
>>77119482
If you give a mouse a cookie.
Its just steps toward total disarmament. The slow erosion of weapons rights. Already we have to have have weapon registry in many states, and Class-3 License requirement for many other weapon classifications.
>>77110154
WHY DOES THE LEFT INSIST WE WANT TO BAN ALL MUSLIMS
WE JUST WANT A MORE DETAILED VETTING PROCESS FOR REFUGEES, AND TO MONITOR MOSQUES IN THE USA TO ENSURE THEY'RE NOT PREACHING RADICAL "KILL ALL GAYS" BULLSHIT.
I HATE THE LEFT I HATE THE LEFT I HATE THE LEFT I HATE THE LEFT
>>77107453
First thing mussolini did was to confiscate all domestic handguns
So did the soviet union
So did japan
Edgy teen spotted
>>77124611
Fucking this
>>77124500
I dunno lad; I want to ban immigration from the middle east. The two things aren't equivalent anyway.
>>77124500
And the right to bear nuclear weapons to defend your property and your family
>>77124611
We don't live in WW2 times, Guido
>>77106238
You can both are question of freedom x security
>>77124611
That opinion is explaining your rising crime rates.
>>77106111
Show me where in the 2nd amendment it tells you to shoot up schools.
Now show me where it says to punish gays in the Quran.
You stupid fucking bellend. I can't believe I live on the same island as you. Fuck off, mahmood
>>77106111
this isn't even a tough choice. Ban islam because it is a cancerous death cult like all abrahamic religions.
>>77106304
good choice, Hans
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
>>77106111
Guns are necessary to secure freedom and keep the government forces in check. Islam has no benefits to the west whatsoever that isn't fulfilled already by christianity.
>>77109717
>5'10" compared to 6' : the graph
>>77108195
People seem to forget the VT shooter used 9mm and 22LR handguns with standard magazine capacity and killed almost as many as the Orlando shooter
REMEMBER : all posts with British, Swedish, or German flags are from Muslims and should be treated as such.
>>77106111
A few muslims are terrorists
A majority of them support terrorism
All of them worship a blood cult
A few gun owners are mass shooters
That's it
>>77114017
yeah, and they're constantly killing each other
There is no effective way to censor or wipe out an idea, and religion is just an idea. You can however control or eradicate guns.
>>77125718
>>77106111
>>77127351
Exactly. Literally all the second amendment tells you to do is defend yourself, and gives you the right to do so. It doesn't take into account your responsibility.
Fucking hate these twats who come stick their grubby little fucking nose into things they know fuck all about. Makes me ashamed of my country.
>>77125567
Our crime rate is increasing because :
1) People are getting desperate over the euro politics
2) The law regulating self defense here is a fucking joke, it falls completely to the arbitrality of the judge, and being most of them leftist GUESS WHAT HAPPENS
No seriously, if you kill a trespasser with a gun, while he is armed with a knife YOU might face jail. Seriously, not trolling.
So since there is no real deterrent (such regulations apply to police as well) to stop thugs they feel free to act
>>77125215
Not anymore, you are right. But tyrants may always arise to oppress people, you have to admit that. Look at cuba or north korea. Are you willing to put your freedom in the hands of others?
Because i am not
>>77108343
Read the post
>if
Muslims follow a book which tell them to kill infidels unless they pay a tax. Gun owners have weapons for self defense 90% of the time, 6.6% of the time to kill themselves and 3.3% of the time to kill others. fuck off.
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkR0sXHKvRY
You can't strip away fundamental freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution. You can control who gets into the country however.
>>77109085
Pretty simple statistical process. If you don't already know, don't worry about it.
>>77127235
a foreign idea that any civilized person finds repugnant
you might not be able to destroy the disease but you can sure as hell destroy the carrier
>>77106111
False equivalence.
1. Muslim foreigners are not entitled to enter US territory. US citizens are entitled to bear arms.
2. Banning Muslim immigration will, in the long run, prevent Muslim terror attacks. Banning guns will not prevent Muslim terrorists from acquiring them illegally.
>>77106111
If gays were armed then at best 2-3 people would die.
wait
what if we ban all muslims from owning guns
>>77109085
look up confidence intervals
>>77106111
>Muslims have no right to commit terrorist attacks
>Americans have the right to bear arms
Lol, come on britbro
>>77106111
remove guns from all crazy americans
remoove all muslims
nothing of value was lost
All Muslims follow a book that requires them to subjugate the kuffar, whether killing them or, through dissimulation, wrest their society from them. So yes, ban all Muslims.
>>77106517
>get rid of all guns on the planet forever
>nigger instigated machete murders skyrocket
>Cartels fighting each other with bows and arrows, crossbows tainted with anthrax
>Wars now fought with broadswords, catapults and rocks dropped from jets and helicopters
>Police are fucking helpless
>citizens are fucking helpless
>Entire world is now Borderlands
>Africa stays exactly the same
yeah fuck you
>>77106111
I feel bad I used to support gun control as a kid. Thank gd we have an amendment that doesn't allow Obama to abuse the deaths of my fellow /lgb/ to ban our rights.
>>77106238
>these faggy memes only apply to things i dont like
how's the 7th grade goin bud
>>77106111
"You can't blanket all gun owners because of a few mass shootings."
>blanket all gun owners
Blanket what?
What did xe mean by this, /pol/?
>>77128011
Cuba and North Korea are the only ones still run by pretty much the same regimes since WW2 (and Cuba is pretty much a puppet state of USA). Your freedom isn't at all protected by your right to arm yourself. If you want to maintain your gun fetishism, I can't really stop you, but don't pretend it's about freedom.
>>77106111
>>77112064
I don't know why they keep up the idea like you can have fags, niggers, muslims, and kikes in your country side-by-side. And, the kicker is they blame WHITE (non-jewish) MEN when their pet voting blocks shit in the house.
>>77106238
>False equivalency, retard.
Look at this burger.
>>77109918
you are a retard
>>77131316
>guns have nothing to do with freedom
>references 2 places with little if not none civilian ownership of guns
>>77106111
Equating a tool with an ideology? Fucking dumb limey tit.
I'M SILLY
