Quran and Islam Q&A
ask me anything
>>77019246
are the hypocrites eating islam inside out?
>>77019246
How many muslims can we kill with meme magic?
>>77019246
If Christians say Jesus is God, and Muslims say Jesus is not God, then why do Muslims say that Allah and the Christian God are one and the same?
>>77019246
Is Islam really about subjugation and killing infidels ?
>>77020395
yes, definitely
folks like the shia's who legalize prostitution through temporary marriages (the prostitution fee is the temporary marriage) or the sunnies who ask you to blindly follow what the priests are saying despite the fact that the quran directly says that the pirest class is a corrupt entity
>>77020465
no
>>77020504
none, meme magic doesn't exist
>>77020732
because not all christian sects say jesus is god
>>77020950
depends on who you ask, it is certainly about being able to defend yourself in my opinion
allahu ackbar
>>77019246
Convert or prepare to get wiped out in the coming crusade, SENPAI.
Do all infidels have to die ?
>>77021359
the only crusade that will happen is against you and people like you who put all your trust in the government entity
>>77020732
Christians refer that that god as God the Father. He has no son in Islam.
>>77019246
why do you make this thread right after a massacre? i hope israel keep doing the good job theyre doing in palestine
>>77021418
no
but then again it depends on who you ask
what i can say is that if all infidels were to be wiped out in the quran, then there wouldn't be verses about making peace and treaties with infidels
>>77021269
>because not all christian sects say jesus is god
But all christian sects say jesus is God.
>>77021582
i can make this thread whenever i want, call the cops
>i hope israel keep doing the good job theyre doing in palestine
they're also doing a great number on western civilization and the goyim
Why did muhammed suck dick?
>>77021718
that is patently false
>>77021269
>Implying one cannot hijack discourses and change narratives
Much Taqiyya achmed
>>77021839
the prophet didn't suck dick to my knowledge, he had 4 wifes, not at the same time, but at different times
his first wife was older than him and owned a business
>>77021923
i'm neither a sunni nor a shia, and each sect have their own specific sets of beliefs
it's like saying communism and capitalism are the same system because they both use a structure of government as their basis
>>77021269
>>because not all christian sects say jesus is god
Really? Are you happy with this explanation? Fuck off.
>>77021779
>i can make this thread whenever i want, call the cops
i didnt say ''youre not allowed'' you fucking dimwit i said ''why are you making a thread after a massacre''
jews arent killing anyone.
What verse says women have to wear a hijab?
Can you marry an 8 year old girl?
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
>>77019246
Is it true that the girls in heaven don't shit or piss?
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”
>>77022103
>Goatfucker in disguise
>Non argument
Go suck on some neo marxist dicks, consider Althuser and get some aids.
>>77021862
Prove it
>>77021269
>none, meme magic doesn't exist
Tell that to the time we prayed to Baal and caused that crane to collapse in Mecca.
>>77019246
When are you going to fulfill your destiny as a muslim kill those filthy kuffars Mohammed ?
>>77022131
yes, this explanation is sufficient
>>77022149
idgaf
>>77022199
there are verses talking about dressing moderately, but no verse saying "you have to cover every hair of your head" or "you have to dress like a ninja"
it all depends on who you ask
if it's a saudi, he'll say she either has to wear a veil that hides every hair, the body, down to the toes, or if it's an afghani, that she has to dress like a ninja
>>77022528
depending on who you ask, some will say yes, others no
eat sect have their own sets and rulings, but from what i have read in the quran, for a marriage to happen, first and foremost there has to be mutual attraction
second, the man has to be financially sound and independent (which also implies mental maturity) and the woman only requires to be mentally mature
so no, you can't marry a child according to the quran, but according to lebanese folks for example, you can hit a 9 years old it's kosher
>>77022529
yes, and thank you for posting that verse, this nullifies the argument that all infidels and disbelievers have to be killed
if it were the case, why would there be a rule saying they have to pay a disbeliever tax?
>>77022597
we don't know that, but depending on who you ask, they will answer you with all kinds of answers
of course they won't be able to prove their claims other than "if you don't believe me i cut your head off", so i'd steer clear from them
>>77022652
anyone who has dealt with women will agree with that verse
>>77022742
is there anything wrong with that? besides, this verse doesn't talk about all christians and all jews, there is a mistranslation in tit
>>77023184
Also, what will you do when Trump wins?
>>77021862
Part of the definition of Christianity is believing that Jesus is God.
I'm not aware of the differences in the sects of Islam, but I am positive there are those which claim to be Islamic when literally noone else will agree due to an extremely massive difference in theology.
>>77019246
What are the 11 countries where gays are executed by the government?
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."
>>77019246
Leviticus 18:22(KJV) - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13(KJV) - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
>>77023388
Are you going to finish what Hitler started, and gas the kikes?
>>77023184
That happened because they destroyed his temple tho
"When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"
>>77023602
>>77023388
Since all of the recent attacks do you ever feel uncomfortable openly discussing your religion or do you feel safe behind the pro-Islam cultural washing?
If I were a Muslim I would fear being shot every day.
>>77021269
>meme magic doesn't exist
ABSOLUTELY HARAM
>>77023661
For some New Testament:
1st Corinthians 6:9-10
>Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God
>>77023014
this is a gross mistranslation of this verse, and you omitted posting the verse number to spread disinformation
these are the of misquoted verses of the chapter 2 from the quran
here's the full context
be aware of God that you may succeed.
2:190 And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.
2:192 And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
2:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.
>>77023082
you're the one using non arguments
>>77023110
there are christian sects who do not praise jesus as god
>>77023434
nothing, this will be a great day when this happens, he's the only one actually tackling the crazed arab problem, regardless of where and how this problem arose
>>77023547
it depends on the christian sect
as for the islamic sects, it's simple
the differences were so glaring to them, that there was a 10 years war between the shia coutnry (iran) and the sunni coutnry (irak)
that's how divided they were (and still are)
the whole isis thing stems from shias slaughtering sunnies in irak, and not giving them any space to express themselves or to represent themselves
they turned to ultra violent revolt and you know the rest
>>77019246
>France
Why I am not suprsed?
How does it feel to know your imbecile compatriots are stoking a fire in the hearts of whites? We are going to exterminate you within 20 years. Deus Vult.
>>77023661
The new testament states to do away with the harsh laws of the old testament.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)
>>77019246
"Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind" (Qur’an, 5:32)
Does this means that by "innocents" they mean by just Muslims or non Muslims too?
>>77024090
I want you to know that no matter what you say I will always hate Muslims. The only think I'll take seriously is when you denouce islam and your God. Which is what you should do.
When is your martyrdom operation, anon?
>>77022103
>neither sunni or shia
are you Sufi?
>>77024249
Someone prided themselves on drawing that, I'm sure.
>>77023619
i don't care about homosexuals, i have talked to many homosexuals from the usa, from europe, and i am positive that these people live in denial about their situation, actually the entire group of progressivist leftist (homos are part of it) live in denial
that's why they reject any science, research, statistics that doesn't fit their narrative
>>77023639
see
2:190 And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not aggress, God does not love the aggressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you encounter them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the recompense of the rejecters.
2:192 And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
2:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is for God. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.
>>77023950
i have no fear at all
>>77024133
the ones who will be exterminated are those putting their entire trust in their respective governments
>>77024344
the verse is clear, it says "person" and says "all mankind"
>>77024441
not sufi either
i'm not affiliated to any group
>>77024433
i do not have such plans
kek m8
>>77023661
Old testament is God covenant to the people, the new testament is the people's covenant to God.
Sorry Ahmed
>>77024402
not an argument
>>77024526
"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"
>>77024672
I know. I just want you to know how much we hate you. Fuck islam :)
I hope you and your family are burned at the stake.
>>77024526
>i am not affiliated to any group
where do you get your islamic knowledge from? surely you are following a school whether you realize it or not.
>>77019246
TRUMP WAS RIGHT
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TRUMP WAS RIGHT
>>77024610
i wouldn't mind seeing saudi arabia nuked
http://www.free-minds.org/how-did-it-come-part-1
interesting read about how the pilgrimage became a pagan fest
>>77024754
not an argument
>>77024785
not an argument
>>77024765
this is a gross mistranslation and you are spreading disinformation by omitting the chapter and verse number
"While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
>>77024786
i get it from reading the quran itself
i don't follow any schools, i saw what the salafist school looked like, the sunni school is a slightly softer version of the salafist, and the shia is like the sunni school in softness
the other school of thought are simply overshadowed and useless
"Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
"The Verse:--'You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.' means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam."
>>77024999
>>77025113
now you're quoting the hadith books
while the majority of muslims in this world follow these scriptures, in fact they are not to be followed, they are hearsays
"Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"
>>77025247
my thread must have triggered you, all you can do is copy past non arguments
>>77025294
sweden is known for it's insanity
it will go down in flames because of the mass immigration of unchecked third world folks
>>77024526
>i have talked to many homosexuals from the usa, from europe, and i am positive that these people live in denial about their situation, actually the entire group of progressivist leftist (homos are part of it) live in denial
denial of what?
>>77024090
The differences are similarly glaring to us as well. We just do not find the need to resort to violence in order to "settle" our differences.
I realize this is bordering on, if not diving deep into the "no true scotsman" fallacy, but those sects just are not Christian, as Christ's divinity is integral to the faith.
>>77025483
for example, one in five homosexuals have HIV in the USA
i have been labelled a homophobe for pointing that out, or for pointing out the lifestyle these people follow
we live in a society where we are supposed to be able to do whatever we want, but where we can't say anything
>>77021269
What passage mentions priests and corruption.
I have a Quran because I don't even fucking know why, it just found its way into my home.
>>77025833
let me search i'll come back to you soon
>>77024898
Hurr Durr not an argument I'm a fugly retard Muslim that's butthurt my religion is a bunch of shit..
Stay mad, hurrr not an argument hurrrrr
>>77019246
What's the proper way to beat my wife?
Christian sects that have 2 milliard members say that Jesus is God. Some JW or mormon heathens that have couple million followers and are denounced by christianity claim that He is not. Then some muslim idiot goes "hurrdurr not every christian sect believes that Jesus is God". You are either trolling or actual retard.
>>77019246
Dirty satanic sect created by a retarded gang leader, pedophile,murderer,rapist.
>>77020504
Never enough
>>77019246
why are you all massive faggots?
>>77026129
>>77023547
Some firmly believe that Jesus is just a demigod and that his father is God.
Christians haven't been able to keep their shit straight ever since shit got complicated by trying to incorporate pagan stories and beliefs into it all in order to convert people.
>>77026212
>>77026346
>>77024532
Which is better? Time to decide once and for all.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10469362
>>77025982
you're embarrassing.
>>77025833
i have come back
9:31 They have taken their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides God, and the Messiah, son of Mary, while they were only commanded to serve One god, there is no god except He, be He glorified against what they set up.
9:34 O you who believe, many of the Priests and Monks consume the money of the people in falsehood, and they repel from the path of God. And those who hoard gold and silver, and do not spend it in the cause of God, give them news of a painful retribution.
>>77025726
>for example, one in five homosexuals have HIV in the USA
do you have a souce on that? because it sounds like bullshit. CDC says there are ~500k gay and bi men living in USA with HIV, and based on the estimate that 3.8% of American men identify as gay or bi, that means 8% of gay men are HIV+, and that doesn't even include lesbians and bisexual women.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
Where and when it's the next happening with the religion of peace?
>>77025982
not an argument
>>77025988
however you want i'm not your father or your mother
>>77026011
there are hundred of millions of muslims believing that the prophet muhamadd went to the skies on horseback and dealt the number of prayers with god directly like trump makes deals with people
>>77026129
>>77026212
>>77026346
>>77026402
maybe, i'm not part of it though
>>77026947
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/23/us-aids-usa-idUSTRE68M3H220100923
What seperates Islam from other cults of personality?
>warlord/dictator claims divine right to launch campaigns/ oppress subjects
>Maoism
>Kim and sons
>Mohammed
>>77027203
So if you are not a muslim then why create a qa about muslims
>>77027206
you could add jesus as well, but whatever
you're right, the shias, the sunnies, the salafies, they do have cult of personality, and do not necessarily use accurate information of the personality in question
they believe a lot, but do not use their brains
>>77025988
If you're a massive psychopath, you can probably figure it out yourseld
>>77019246
How many flushes does it take to get a quran down the toilet?
>>77025833
> I have a Quran because I don't even fucking know why, it just found its way into my home.
Inshallah brother, the Prophet is sending a message.
the replies in this thread are fucking pathetic, boiling down to "i hate islam no matter what you way", "trump trump trump", and misquotings/purposeful information omissions.
this is literaly as bad as isis who do the exact same fucking thing, "no matter what i hate infidels", "allahu akbar" and interpreting the quran in dangerous ways.
howabout criticizing the quran for actual legitimate reasons it is backwards and wrong, such as questoning why the sun and moon follow each other, why the earth is the center of the universe, why the sun comes out of a muddy spring every day, why sperm mixes with blood to make a baby etc etc
you guys are pathetic fucking hypocrites and are getting btfo'd by a muslim
>>77027953
"no matter what you say**"
>>77019246
at what temperature do the pages burn?
>>77026891
Cool. Thanks for that. I find it interesting when religions essentially point out that Christianity is more business than religion and frown on the practice of collecting money. Judaism (ironically), Islam, and Hinduism all seem to slam this practice.
>>77019246
What are your thoughs on Mohammed fucking a 9 year old?
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>>77019246
KILL YOURSELF YOU SUBHUMAN SCUM
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PLEASE IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS END YOUR OWN LIFE YOU GOD DAMN SATAN WORSHIPPING CAMEL FUCKER
>>77027203
>http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/23/us-aids-usa-idUSTRE68M3H220100923
You realize taking a survey with an entirely urban sample size is shitty polling right? especially considering black men are much more likely to have HIV and live in large cities
>>77021269
>because not all christian sects say jesus is god
What the fuck are you saying
>>77027953
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
>>77026129
>>77026212
>>77026346
>>77026402
/thread
is there anything in the quran about "loving you neighbor" and "turning the other cheek"?
>>77024090
>there are christian sects who do not praise jesus as god
Prove it
>>77027953
bullshit you are just trying to spam tolerance under the guise of a conversation about a dogfucking religion.you gotta go back.
start a "koran sucks" class in your home country.oh shit thats right u cant even do that there.Pick up a gun and fight them,otherwise you are part of their victory over you.
>>77027953
>how about criticizing the quran for actual legitimate reasons
but everybody is doing so?
is there anything in the quran about age of consent?
>>77027500
buy one and test
>>77027823
the proper way of disposing of a quran
>>77028065
not an argument
>>77027953
i don't know where you got your sources from but it doesn't sound accurate at all
>>77028140
buy one and test
>>77019246
Why you don't eat pork?
>>77028394
Jesus the Prophet vs. Jesus the Son of God vs. Jesus the Son in the Holy Trinity
>>77027953
>this is literaly as bad as isis
>literaly
Does ISIS literally shitpost on an image board and does nothing else about it? Was the 18,000 killed in Iraq comparable to complaining on an anime board?
>>77029002
>Jesus the Prophet
Not a single sect of Christianity says Jesus was just a prophet
>>77026697
Fuck you pussy Muslim lover.
Why the Quran is
Not from Allah:
10 Reasons
#10
Verse 27:91 reads “For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city.” If these are the words of Allah, then it would mean that someone is ‘commanding’ him to serve another god. The verse only makes sense if Muhammad is speaking from his own perspective.
(This would also explain why “Allah” takes an oath to Allah in no fewer than seven other verses).
#9
Verse 5:3 says that the Islamic religion was “perfected” and “completed” on “this day”, yet 249 more verses follow it, including two additional Suras (9 and 110).
Also, how could the Quran be eternal if there was a time when it was not completed?
#8
So much of the Quran is devoted to redundant claims and threats about Muhammad’s status as a prophet, yet there is not a single original moral value. Nowhere does it tell men not to rape women or refrain from sex with children. In fact, it gives men permission to rape their slaves and implies that sex with children is permissible (verse 65:4).
Wouldn’t a perfect book teach perfect morality?
>>77028351
the hadiths are contradicting each other in this issue
one set of hadith says she was 9, another set put her age at at least 14
i believe the current ruling in the muslim countries today are based on personal feelings and choices of the people ruling those countries, and they seem to like underaged girls (sometimes boys too) a lot
>>77028356
not an argument
>>77028367
http://time.com/2975573/who-hiv-aids-gay-men-homosexual-epidemic-rise/
also, the reuters cites a CDC study
according to a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
stop trying to take the defense of homosexuals
>>77028430
not an argument
>>77028590
there is something along those lines:
"you can defend yourself if you're attacked"
in christianity, turning your other cheek now means spreading your other buttcheek, and love thy neighborhood means "refugees welcome"
>>77028638
granted they wont be known by the public but i've met some christians who do not see jesus as god
>>77028768
see
>>77023388
>>77028810
not an argument
>>77028854
i never liked the smell of pork, and had a taste of it once, and i am content with all the other types of meats that exist
there is enough meat variety that i can reject pork, and testimonies that roasted pork smells like roasted humans just make me lean more towards rejection of pork meat
there's a reason pork is forbidden in the quran
>>77029323
#7
Despite being a relatively small book, the Quran contains horrible redundancy. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Some passages of misquoted Bible stories are nearly word-for-word identical.
Why would God waste space saying essentially the same thing about something obscure when he could have offered clear moral principles about peace, tolerance (or sex with children)?
#6
The Quran confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Aaron (and Moses) in Sura 19.
Despite tortured apologetics, the simplest and most obvious explanation is that Muhammad was mistaken. This would also explain why the Quran that he narrated erroneously states that Christians worship the Virgin Mary as a god (5:75, 5:116) when they never have.
#5
The Quran tells Muslim men that they may have sex with women captured as slaves. Even worse: the passage is repeated in four different places. By contrast, there is not a single verse that tells Muslims that they are to pray five times a day.
>>77029390
The Quran says that it is “clear”, but then says elsewhere (3:7) that only Allah understands the meaning of some verses (which begs the question of why they are there). It says that it explains "all things" (16:89), but then tells Muslims to follow the example of Muhammad (33:21) - without saying what that is.
In practical terms, it is impossible to understand the Quran without references to external sources such as the Hadith and Sira (usually laid out in voluminous footnotes). Yet these sources are often contradictory and almost never agreed on.
Even in the Quran, devout Muslim scholars infer dramatically different meanings from the same verses. For example, most interpretations of 38:33 say that Solomon slashed at his own horses, severing their legs and necks. However, some contemporary translators, including one of the most respected (Yusuf Ali) say that Solomon really just passed his hand over their bodies in a loving way.
More alarming (and unfortunately more typical) are verses like 5:33, which mandates crucifying those who "wage war on Allah"... without really explaining what this means.
>>77027203
I will never accept or tolerate islam. I will burn whatever mosque you build near me.
>>77029323
literally not arguments
>et there is not a single original moral value.
the quran is filled with those
your post goes to the trash with the other non arguments
>>77029475
Unlike the Old Testament prophets, Muhammad narrated petty defenses of his claim as a prophet (and even his own sanity) that are remarkably redundant.
For example, no fewer than 8 passages (83:13, 27:68, 46:17, 16:24, 6:25, 26:137, 25:5 and 23:83) say that "Allah's messenger" is accused of repeating “tales of the ancients,” but that anyone who doesn’t believe him will burn in Hell. Why wouldn’t Allah just say it once and then use the remaining space for something more edifying?
Isn’t this more of what one would expect from an overly-defensive poseur than from an eternal revelation of God to man?
#2
The Quran says that written copies of the Bible (Torah and Gospel) existed at the time of Muhammad (29:46, 3:3, 3:78) and a great many verses "confirm" that those copies are true (even if the Jews and Christians were later accused of misinterpreting them "with their tongues"). Parts of the Quran obviously rely on the Bible for completeness and many verses insist that the Word of God cannot be changed or corrupted.
Here's the problem:
There are hundreds of New Testament manuscripts that pre-date the time of Muhammad, all discovered at different times and different places by different people. There are hundreds more of the Torah. All agree almost perfectly with the modern version of the Bible, which contradicts the Quran.
At the same time, not a single copy or fragment of either the Torah or Gospel from any era has ever been found which deviates in a way that agrees with the Quran.
How is that the "true" Bible - the one that supposedly confirms the Quran - never survived in any form, while so many "corrupted" copies did?
Isn't it more likely that Muhammad simply made it up as he went along and later accused Christians and Jews as a cover story for his own mistakes?
option: s..age
>>77029390
>>77029475
not arguments
>>77029515
So basically you cant refute anything and then make accusations.
>>77029476
not an argument
>>77029531
a poster wanted to know how many flushes it takes to flush down a quran down the toilets
do you have that number?
>>77029527
As mentioned, despite being a small book, the Quran is supposed to be the timeless, unchangeable word of God. Why would God use precious and valuable space on the personal life of one man - the one who happens to be narrating the "revelation"?
Substantial portions (particularly suras 33 and 66) are both self-serving and repetitive, dealing with the sex, money or respect from his wives to which Muhammad is entitled.
Couldn’t Allah have thought of a more important message for mankind than telling us (several times over) that Muhammad may sleep with an unlimited number of women?
>>77021269
>meme magic doesn't exist
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT KEK
>>77029356
>granted they wont be known by the public but i've met some christians who do not see jesus as god
At least try. Are you saying IS is Islamic as well just because they say they are. I know only one Christian sect that doesn't say Jesus is God, but even they know Jesus is the Only Begotten Son.
>>77029567
They are arguments, its just you can't refute them.
They have a source and an accusation, this is what defines an argument.
>>77029618
you didn't make a single argument, you're copy pasting
i already proved the content of the first post wrong and erroneous
i am not going to waste my time with non arguments
>>77029356
Why does the Hadith say that Muhammad was a white man.
Islam cucked by the white man from the start!
Muslims BTFO
>>77029007
yes because this is their exact line of thinking that makes them fucking terrorists. and you guys blindly wanting to kill all muslims is just as bad. islam is a serious problem but you all having the same mindset completely undermines your cause
>>77029356
>there's a reason pork is forbidden in the quran
And why is that?
Also, bacon is delicious, so is ham.
>>77029754
you didn't make a single argument, you posted non arguments
what you posted is similar to a woman bitching about stupid shit
"hurr durr there is a lot of repetition in the quran, look!"
yes, there is repetition in the quran, and there's literally nothing wrong with that
go away with your non argument that ressembles a woman's bitching
>>77029765
see >>77029754
Repeating wont make it true.I wait for contra-opinion.
>>77029647
I will never accept or tolerate islam. The Hadith says Muhammad was a white man,muslims btfo.
>>77019246
THIS JUST IN backwards book is filled with backwards content! more news at 11
>>77019246
Hey what do you think of ISIS?
>>77029855
hadiths say a lot of things and you can make hadith say a lot of things as well
hadiths are non arguments in book format
>>77030012
see
>>77029991
>>77029991
How are they non-arguments?
They have the SOURCE and they make ACCUSATION.This is what defines and argument.
You can either bring a counter-argument or accept defeat.
>>77029991
Islam was first written on leaves. Muhammad was a white guy.
So Allah only ever spoke to one person in a cave, and you believe that? Lmfao
>>77030101
see >>77030119
This is the last warning.At 3rd you auto-accept the defeat.
>>77025988
by letting her son peg you.
>>77029765
>>77019246
GO
BACK
TO
HELL
LUCIFERIAN SLIME
>>77030101
Not an argument. Muhammad was white
BTFO
>>77030101
>hadiths are non arguments in book format
And you have nerves to call yourself a muslim? Hell awaits you my friend.
Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is Not a Religion of Peace
#1
18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.
Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#3
Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
>>77030400
After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.
It was the same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle. Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.
Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
>>77030101
>Oh no now I have to make shit up..
Not an argument.
>>77019246
>france
EVERY TIME
>>77030431
Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
#6
Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
#7
Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8
Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
#9
The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
#10
"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
How does it feel to live in a glorious western country built up by the enemy of your religion?
>>77021862
>what is the Holy Trinity
>>77029356
I know. The reuters article used the CDC study which had some serious flaws in its selection methods.
>stop trying to take the defense of homosexuals
stop pushing flawed data, I think I know why you think liberals are "in denial," when they don't swallow your shitty polls.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
"Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer,
a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman
a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter."
Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone
who could prove this wrong based on Islamic texts.
The reward has gone unclaimed.
>>77019246
did muhammed bury 4 goat legs under the khaabaa as a vow not to hurt hebrews?
Is there a connection between Sufism and the Kabbalah?
>>77023708
da fuk is dat shit???
How do they shit and piss?
The fuck, thing is straight outta silent hill
Facts about this "peacefull" "prophet"(gang leader,rapist,murderer,pedophile and retard)
The Life of Muhammad:
An Inconvenient Truth
Timeline of Muhammad's Life (A.D)
570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Kadijah - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies
>>77030090
they were persecuted people who managed to get the upper hand in the sea of sharks, to become a shark itself
they stopped being persecuted people a long time ago and started to become an over confident group
>>77030119
"hurf durf le repetition, look, it's le bad"
not
argument
>>77030224
your warnings are non arguments as well
>>77030347
muslim is not a title, it's a common word
>>77030400
>>77030476
>>77030431
in the quran, the system (what you call islam) was never meant to be a "religion of peace"
peaceful people end up dead or forgotten
>>77030505
there's nothing glorious left in france
it has been over taken by the leftists and they are truning it into another communistic shithole
>>77030607
i'll trust the works of CDC researchers over the words of a random butthurt homosexual pol poster
>>77030647
not an argument
>>77030656
i have no idea, that sounds retarded
>>77030745
i do not know
>>77030850
You accepted defeat by default.
>>77030796
there's nothing wrong defending yourself, and you dadded emotionally charged words to spread disinformation about what really happened
deal with it, the prophet repelled all of those who wanted him dead
seems like you're jealouse of this military genius
>>77030935
you keep using non arguments
>>77030400
>inb4 No but Islam is religion of peace because I say so, here, look at these Meccan verses and tell me my prophet was one of the biggest mass murderers in the world. What is abrogation? What is tawriyyah? No such things in islam!
>>77019246
Which do you prefer regarding a lover: sheep or goat?
>>77030974
Still a gang leader,rapist,murderer,pedophile and retard by definition.
>>77031008
for 5 posts you can't explain why they are non-argument.Not only me but everyone.Seems you are in mega-deny mode.
>>77028140
451 Fahrenheit
>>77030796
>Not including young necrophile sodomistic mu ham head being butt fucked by his uncle
Shill detected
>>77019246
bien ta secte créée par des judeo-nazareens ? retourne dans ton pays
>>77030850
>i'll trust the works of CDC researchers over the words of a random butthurt homosexual pol poster
>lemme just accept this accept this study that confirms what I want to believe and ignore anyone who disagrees with me.
And you have the nerve to call other people "in denial."
>>77030850
>muslim is not a title
But it is title of people who practice Islam. Of course you lie and say that all the actual prophets were muslims as well even though that is proven incorrect.
Does Anyone here Sage when posting in a shill thread????
QURAN is extremely scientifcally innacurate.How come a book that muslims preach as it comes from God, is full of erors?
FULL TEXT IS HERE:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm
Embryology and the Qur'an
Embryology in the Qur'an ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]) [The Muslim Argument]
Rebuttals:
Greek and Jewish ideas about reproduction in the Qur’an and hadith by Martin Taverille
‘ALAQA (clot?) and other embryological stages in the Qur'an by Dr. W. F. Campbell
A second look at "Embryology in the Qur'an" by Lactantius
Answers to Elias Karim's response to the above:
the historical aspect (Lactantius)
the exegetical aspect (Jochen Katz)
Abdullah ibn Adam's response and Lactantius' answer
Qur'anic Embryology (Dr. Yusuf Needham and Dr. Butrus Needbeer)
Responses to the "It is Truth" articles on embryology: Chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
The Qur'an on semen production
Complete list of verses on man's origin
Two Pre-embryonic Stages?
Is an embryo "something that clings"?
Remarks on the scientific facts of Embryology in the Qur'an.
Responses to "The Bible, the Qur'an and Science" by Dr. Bucaille
Rebuttals to Shabir Ally's Science in the Qur'an series
>>77031064
neither
>>77031145
>Still a gang leader,rapist,murderer,pedophile and retard by definition.
non arguments
you're using emotionally charged words and lies
not arguments
you didn't write anything yourself, hence, non arguments
>>77031029
see
>>77030850
>>77031234
pas un argument
>>77031262
"i know more than scientists, statisticians, and researchers who use the empirical method to get their result
keep deluding yourself
>>77031396
The Structure of the Universe
The Quran and the Shape of the Earth
The Shape of the Earth
Are Mountains “Pegs” Which Prevent the Earth from Shaking?
The Rotation of the Earth and The Direction of Rotation of the Earth
The Existence and Location of the Seven Earths
Islam and the Setting of the Sun
Different Points in the Rising and Setting of the Sun
The scientific miracle of the date branch like appearance of the moon orbit
The Thunder and the Moon
Astronomy and the Qur'an
The Qur'an and the Red Rose Nebula
Miscellanea:
Moon Light is Reflected Light
The Qur'an and rain
The Qur'an on Water (a barrier between waters, ground water, etc.)
Male and Female Fruits?
Noah’s Ark Or Noah’s Steamboat?
Qur'an in your DNA!
How Birds Fly
Talking Ants in the Qur'an?
The Amazing Fables of Islam
Zaid ibn Amr ibn Nufail's Cosmological Views and Their Influence on the Quran
Did the Qur'an prophesy the exact time when astronauts would bring rocks from the moon to the earth?
Islam and the Magical World of Genies and Dragons
>>77031285
one again it depends on who you ask
a sunni will tell you that it is a title, even though muslim is just a common arab word
>>77031367
not an argument
>>77031396
>>77031437
you're so weak minded you can't even come up with your own arguments, you must copy paste like a baby is fed food
>>77031406
What am I suppose to see, liar?
>>77031585
you're not even reading because you're so mad and butthurt
here, i'll feed you like a baby
in the quran, the system (what you call islam) was never meant to be a "religion of peace"
peaceful people end up dead or forgotten
>>77031541
>you're so weak minded you can't even come up with your own arguments, you must copy paste like a baby is fed food
Non-argument. You were just proven wrong, how will you defend yourself?
>>77029866
are you legit retarded? there's no such thing as "moderate" islam, there are good mudslimes and bad mudslimes. The good one advocate for the extermination of us infidels, the bad ones simply don't strictly follow the teachings but agree to some extent to most backwards beliefs. I'm starting to think you're just another filthy mudslime trying to dmg control his ass.
>>77031541
Are you a immigrant?
If so, why did you migrate? where did you find the information about immigration?
>>77028176
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
Matthew 19:24
Christianity should not be about making money. Just because the greed of humans corrupts the Church does not make the religion wrong.
>>77031406
>scientists, statisticians, and researchers never have unconscious bias
>surveys never sacrifice accuracy for the sake of convenience
Surely you'd be able to find some other studies if it were an incontrovertible truth.
>>77031708
Not an argument. When will you explain?
Muhammad was a white man. BTFO
>>77031406
>you didn't write anything yourself, hence, non arguments
This is not valid.I dont need to write it for it to be argument
argument
noun
1.
an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation:
a violentargument.
2.
a discussion involving differing points of view; debate:
They were deeply involved in anargument about inflation.
3.
a process of reasoning; series of reasons:
I couldn't follow hisargument.
4.
a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point:
This is a strongargument in favor of her theory.
5.
an address or composition intended to convince or persuade; persuasive discourse.
6.
subject matter; theme:
The centralargument of his paper was presented clearly.
7.
an abstract or summary of the major points in a work of prose or poetry, or of sections of such a work.
Dont even reply to me again you low iq dnier mongrel.
>>77031541
>weak minded
ad hominem.Hypocrite much?
And yet you cant even reply to not even 1 argument.
>you can't even come up with your own arguments,
so now they are arguments.
>>77031709
dont even apply logic to the mudslime.
>>77031437
Lets continue
Science and the Hadith (Muhammad's own understanding ...)
There are 360 Joints in the Human Body
Muhammad and the 90 feet tall Adam
Follow-up: Profiles in Quackery II: The Case of Osama Abdallah
Is It Safe to Drink Water Polluted by a Dead Donkey?
Hadith Cosmology
Of Fire and Oceans
The Stone That Took Off Running
Fly Wing Medicine
History, Archaeology, ...
The Haman Hoax
What the "National Geographic" really says about "Iram"
Articles on other sites evaluating the claims regarding Qur'an and Science:
Miracle of Reinterpretation
Ali Sina's review of a debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Dr. William Campbell on the topic The Qur’an and the Bible in the Light of Science
>>77031708
>in the quran, the system (what you call islam) was never meant to be a "religion of peace"
Well that settles it all, your prophet was mass murderer, rapist and probably some other type of degenerate as well.
>>77031709
on which point was i proven wrong?
you can't even respond that because you posted non arguments
>>77031721
the question i raise you is this: how are they going to kill you?
how are they going to force islam on you?
with what means of projection are they going to get you?
it seems that your memory is short
since 2002, the western governments have been doing exactly what you want to see happen now, and that is destroy muslim countries
describe to me how that ended up for the western world, i'm waiting here
2nd
>>77032045
Not an argument. Stop making shit up.
Muhammad was a white man, BTFO
>>77031753
i'm not an immigrant
>>77031837
>i'll just throw a general accusation and be done with it
you're now grasping at straws
begone with you, wretched homosexual
go get some aids with your buttbuddies
>>77031875
you're too much of a lazy cunt to even read what you copy paste
not an argument
>>77031969
>Is It Safe to Drink Water Polluted by a Dead Donkey?
This is my favorite one!
>>77019246
Why don't you accept our Lord and savior Jesus Christ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4
>>77032045
>on which point was i proven wrong?
On the point that Islam is religion from God and that Muhammad is prophet of God
>you can't even respond that because you posted non arguments
Non-argument
>>77032195
Dude seriously what's with all these non arguments?
Muhammad was a white man, BTFO
>>77032195
>i cannot answer anything so i will call every post I cant answer non-argument
You cannot prove why it non an argument.Again, this is an ultimatum.DO NOT BOTHER REPLYING TO MY POST UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT I POST NON-ARGUMENTS.
>you're too much of a lazy cunt to even read what you copy paste
ad-hominem.Invalid
>>77032195
If you are not an immigrant, how many generations does your family go back, in France.
Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
>>77032005
>>77032060
>>77032109
>>77032191
Anyone more nice beheading webms or gifs?
>>77031989
disinformation and lies
self defence does not mean raping and mass murdering
if you mean mass murdering like annihilating your enemies to the lasted, that's not mass murder, that's just the enemy being incompetent faggots
stop being jealous of the military prowess of the prophet
>>77032164
you look triggered
>>77032191
>>77032109
>>77032060
not arguments
>>77032208
those are hadiths and part of the sect that i do not follow
why do you attack me on points i rejected already?
>>77032406
because i don't
>>77032448
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
>>77032483
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
>>77032195
>LALALALALALA
>I CANT HEAR YOU
>YOU'RE IN DENIAL THO, NOT ME
Pathetic
>>77032520
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
>>77032195
So you are a French?
Why do you believe in Islam?
Are your parents or any relatives or friends muslim?
>>77032569
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).
Why call Ramadan fasting? When we all know it's all about stuffing you face during the night?
>>77032457
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>>77019246
Kill yourself, but go back to your country first
>>77032600
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
>>77019246
Was Omar Mateen considered a practicing Muslim?
>>77032650
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
>>77032457
>>because I don't
what does that mean?
>>77032709
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
>>77032448
self defence isn't promoting violence
>>77032288
because i don't
>>77032360
>On the point that Islam is religion from God and that Muhammad is prophet of God
not arguments
>>77032370
not an argument
>>77032403
i have proven why you keep posting non arguments
>>77032406
i don't know
>>77032483
>>77032520
i already addressed those points in the thread
not arguments to top it all
>>77032620
not an argument
>>77032611
you're not supposed to stuff your face
if you gain kilos during ramadan, you're doing it wrong
>>77032709
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
>>77032713
that i don't
>>77032762
you didnt adress anything and you failed the ultimatum.Dont ever reply to me.
>>77032762
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>>77032781
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."
>>77032805
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
Ill just say "not an argument" to anything I can't answer.
>>77020395
There is a special place in hell for all arab cultural militants claiming the contradictory mantle of radical "islamic terrorism": A logical fallacy that cannot exist.
>>77032889
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]
>>77032762
Not an argument
>>77032926
Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
>>77019246
Since your reliegion as a whole promotes violence against multiple groups of people, in what way does Dirt Skins validate that their religion is peaceful onto non-believers?
>>77032964
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
>>77032457
>because i don't
Ok, well that answer doesn't make too much sense, but I am going to assume English isn't your first language. So I will re-phrase it.
Did your parents immigrate to France? or your Grandparents? How long has your family been in France.
>>77033014
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the "cause": "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity ['Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.
>>77032457
>disinformation and lies
Non-argument. Sirat Rasullah, collected by ANYONE proves that all those points are true.
>self defence does not mean raping and mass murdering
That's because killing and raping people who didn't convert to your religion isn't self defence
>stop being jealous of the military prowess of the prophet
I'm not being jealous of murdering bastard. Your "prophet's" military prowess? Hah, the guy sent his goons on the battlefield and on killing sprees.
>if you mean mass murdering like annihilating your enemies to the lasted, that's not mass murder, that's just the enemy being incompetent faggots
Right, rush in to a defenceless town, take the Head of the Tribe as your prisoner and burn him dead because he didn't give you his jew-gold
What sect are you following then?
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Sahih Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Sahih Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)
Sahih Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
>>77032906
not an argument
>>77032964
>>77033014
>>77033079
spamming is against the rules, just so you know
come to me with arguments
spam isn't an argument
>>77032971
not ana argument
